I loved watching these vintage shows here. Both Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme were so classy and talented. It happens that my Father was friends with Steve and his older brother Bernie, as a boy growing up in Brooklyn. He told me Steve would tag along with him and his brother to the movies, he also remembered having fun snowball fights In Winter, etc. Years ago, for my Fathers 80th birthday, Steve sent my Father a personal note and autographed photo, at my request. How kind of him to have done that. It made for such a great surprise, and I cherish it more now since my Father has passed. RIP Steve and Edie, Together again. Theirs was a love.
I appeared in Vegas with Steve and Eydie as a backup singer in 1980. Steve was all seriousness and took charge while making sure everything was ready and in order while Eydie was relaxed and chatted away with us during rehearsals. What a pleasure!
I agree with the other posters. You are to be envied for having worked with Steve and Eydie, and yes, it does add so much to the overall experience when folks post their own experiences with guests. Steve and Eydie happen to be among my favorite couples from a fan's perspective.
In 1963 my parents moved to LA from Chicago. Drove down Rte. 66, Blame it on the bossa nova was on radio constantly. I'll always remember the trip for that song.
Eydie Gorme was an incredibly gifted (bilingual) singer and I don't think she ever got the full credit she deserved. Upon her death in 2013 her husband Steve Lawrence issued a very touching statement which, in part, praised his beloved spouse and partner of 55 years. Mr. Lawrence called Eydie "one of the greatest pop singers ever" - and he was exactly correct.
Maybe the greatest credit and compliment came from the Chairman of the Board, Sinatra thought they were great and had the purest and most genuine voices.
@z Folks in the US don't have time to learn other languages.. we'd love to, but we're too busy working and earning the untold billions of dollars we give away each year all around the world in foreign aid.
@z I suspect the chap above who wrote about her being a bilingual singer was not discussing her literacy or fluency in languages, but rather that she recorded successfully for years in two separate languages. She spoke from her childhood English, Spanish, Ladino & prayer Hebrew. But she recorded numerous successful LPs/albums in English and in Spanish, both alone and with Steve Lawrence in English and Trio Los Pancho in Spanish. We are not all stupid or uneducated in the U.S., though that is hard to tell nowadays. However, many consider languages a special accomplishment, as geography does not require multilingualism of us, as it does of those who live on continents with more small nations all speaking their own languages. There has been no need on the whole for Americans to learn other languages until recently. Now one could say with English, Spanish and Mandarin dominating through numbers of speakers, that it would be wise to know those to maneuver about our home planet. I have only Welsh, French and English, so am quite intellectually handicapped, I suppose?
@gcjerryusc Eydie was a great torch singer, among other things. I didn't see that anyone replied to you. I think you may be remembering her rendition of "If He Came Into My Life Today." This was by the great Jerry Herman. In my view these are among the best lyrics ever written in this type of torch song.
The Russian teacher was gorgeous. Eydie Gorme did the best she could which was pretty good at say the least. Not easy to fool your own husband for as long as she did. Thanks for the video.
The Russian teacher was very pretty. She was so gracious and intelligent also. Great representative for Russia. Hope she is still living and teaching English in Russia. Love Love Love Steve and Edyie
One fact about Eydie Gorme I'd like to share that I hadn't before: She and Steve had two kids: David and Michael. Michael died suddenly in 1986. The famous singing pair were performing in Atlanta, Georgia, when they found out. Family friend Frank Sinatra sent his private plane to fly the couple to New York to meet David, who was attending school at the time. Following their son's death, the duo took a year off to mourn the loss of Michael.
+Vahan Nisanian Eydie never really recuperated from that loss. First of all, it was the parents' worst nightmare. And Michael's death came so completely out of left field...they never saw it coming, and it wasn't an accident or a homicide. A heart attack of all things.
I can't imagine a worse thing happening for a parent. At my dad's memorial service, I acknowledged that as much as I was grieving, I knew it would be worse if my parents had to bury me or my brother.
@@loissimmons6558 very true, my best friend since high school passed away back in February of 2007 at the age of 28. Seeing as he was an only child, the toll it took on his parents must have be tremendous. Almost four years later, they seem to be doing a lot better, but I still can’t imagine how traumatic it must have been for them. I hope my parents, nor any other loved one of mine, ever have to go through losing a child, but sadly it seems to be happening more often these days, mostly due to increased rates of overdoses and suicide and more recently, COVID. Sorry for your loss, and although I obviously don’t know you or your father, I’m sure that, despite not wanting to cause you the grief of his passing, he would surely agree with you.
soulierinvestments But what was all that previous questioning about -- with the being above ground level and being near the water and all that? I don't think she was on the right track yet, because what finally got her a "no" during that round was "is it in any sense a vehicle?", which is way off base (if you will pardon the unintentional pun), but I think the answers she got during that questioning session helped her to get the correct answer later.
@@danielfronc4304 Mystery Guests were not all the time someone related to or involved professionally with the panelists. I tend to think her mentioning Eydie Gorme was because that was the first celebrity name to come into her head when she was looking at Steve right next to her on the panel. But, it is feasible that this one evening she was suspicious because Steve said Eydie kicked him out of the house an hour early and they might have found it odd that he showed up so early, when they arrived at 10pm for the show.
I don’t think they absolutely knew for sure who was going to be the MG. Just rummaged through their brains as to what is playing in town, latest news etc. and they knew the WML bagof tricks by now. There were many times they thought someone was gonna be on and they weren’t (“we thought you were gonna be on lastweek”)
Daniel Fronc I've watched that bit three times and really tried to see it as a wink. Nahhhh it's just a blink. She has no concept of her saying the MG's name and if she did she wouldn't have said it anyway.
Loved Eydie's Spanish songs in collaboration with the Latin American group called Los Panchos. She sang love songs that were truly considered to be love songs. She was marvelous!
Just saw Mrs. Arlene as a panelist on a rerun of Match Game '78. She didn't have to do much and still managed to outshine all of the others; Class act all the way.
I saw every episode of match game, and I never saw her on there before (but then again, I wouldn't have known her even if I did. This is my first time watching What's My Line). I am currently watching The Match Game Hollywood Squares Hour, and I noticed that Arlene is on there at some point, but I'm not up to that point yet
I grew up on Long Island in a family with mixed baseball loyalties. One brother and I are Mets fans. Dad, my sister, and my other brother root for the Yankees. Mom mourns the passing of the Brooklyn Dodgers. So I loved all the banter with the scoreboard guy and promptly shared the link with everyone.
Peter Winkler - Some of us will never feel the earth is on its axis correctly until the Dodgers are back in Brooklyn. And I'm a native Bostonian reared in Philadelphia.
I thought Dorothy's question about the Met's scoreboard was interesting. Maybe their backwards ball/strikes display has something to do with the Met's ineptitude.
"President Kennedy's 50 mile measure" refers to a contemporary craze for long distance walking. The story I've heard is that Kennedy inspired the craze by issuing training orders to the Marine Corps that involved long distance walking.
Steve and Edie were such a cute couple❤ They had two sons, one tragically dying in 1986 at the age of 23 after knee surgery from a fall in a softball game. The young man, Michael, had experienced a mild heart condition as a teenager. Overcome with grief, the couple didn't perform for a year. Steve Lawrence was born Sydney Leibowitz, and Edie was born Edie Gormezano, the child of Turkish and Italian Jews.
The Yankee Stadium scoreboard operator would be putting up a lot of zeroes during the two upcoming World Series games that were played at Yankees Stadium. They only scored in the eight inning against Sandy Koufax in their 5-2 loss in Game One and only in the ninth inning against Johnny Podres in their 4-1 loss in Game Two. The Series didn't come back to NY. The Dodgers finished them off in LA in a four game sweep.
John had two sons with Virginia Warren, John Warren Daly and John Earl Jameson Daly, both of whom are partly named for their grandfather Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court Earl Warren and a daughter Nina Elisabeth Daly. prior to that he was married to and divorced from Margaret Griswell Neal in January 1937(divorced 1959). The marriage resulted in sons John Neal Daly and John Charles Daly III and daughter Helene Fitzgerald Daly. John Daly liked himself a lot!
What's My Line? Yes, from what I've read about John Daly, that was exactly the case -- a longstanding family tradition of naming all sons John, with varying middle names. I just wonder what they actually called them at home, especially when there was more than one son to one set of parents. I think it's widely known that prizefighter George Foreman named all his sons George. I don't know whether or not they had middle names, but according to Wikipedia, they were distinguished by Roman numerals (George Jr., George III, George IV, George V , George VI), as well as by some interesting nicknames.
They all were called by their middle names. That's why no two have the same middle name. Over the years there were a few cases where Arlene or Bennett slipped up and called John 'Charlie". It must have helped them with the formality of the show to have to call him "John" while on the air while calling him "Charlie" in private.
TMJ Lacon So you think that in private life, his friends and family knew him as Charlie? I've never noticed the panelists doing that, but that's interesting! I'll be listening for any references to "Charlie" now. :)
When given the pin as a gift by the Russian guest, Steve Lawrence says "On the back it says made in Japan." OUCH! Sometimes the line between funny and rude is razor thin.
Yes. That's pretty intense, really. Especially coming right after Daly's words, "well I hope that you carry home a good impression of us we're really quite nice people" at 11:03. Her accent, incidentally, does not strike me as remotely Russian, or even Slavic.
@@worldnotworld It's fairly subtle, and may have been influenced by where she herself learned English (I remember a story of a German English teacher and how she could tell when her female students started hanging around US soldiers at a nearby military base because she could detect the American influence on their accents when speaking English) as well as her attempting to minimize her own accent, just as you or I would do in speaking a non-native language.
We were in the middle of the hottest part of the cold war, then. I was 2 years old, but Kruschev banging a shoe at the UN 3 years prior, Cuban missile crisis 1 year earlier in Oct '62 fresh in minds of people that the world could end. And more than likely as someone else suggests, Russians allowed to travel to USA more than likely had KGB connections.
Miss Crassina (as John Daly referenced) we WERE nice people in that time (1963) but now... I think we are not that once great nation. Many of us still hold true to values, respect, dignity, honesty, sincerity, and I could go on. Nowadays, each day I live, I see on the screen and out and about the atrocity of people's downward spiral in just the way they choose to embrace this evil time we are in right now. Sad, but true. I am hopeful that our Lord Jesus Christ WILL be coming sooooooon!!!!! I am ready as ever to leave this place for Heaven!!!
Anybody ever noticed that it’s the stage actresses and actors that usually then shake hands with the panel and then turn around for a brief acknowledgment of the audience
Normally, I'm not a big fan of the mystery guest being the spouse or having some relationship with a panelist. It's a little too cutesy-poo. But Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme were an irresistible pair, and besides (and I was a little surprised) the panel did not latch on to it right away.
Joe Postove Then I better be serious, and start making it. There will of course be some problems with the translation, and in particular the etymological part ;)
+Joe Postove No doubt the other panelists asked about Eydie when they greeted Steve. He probably noted that she was up to her elbows in dishwater when he left.
Steve Lawrence was laughing when John was describing the Russian lady as being salaried and performs a service. Well, she could have hardly been self employed!
@@leadcloud8290 The state owned the people the same way Simon Legree owned his slaves. That's the only way it CAN be under a utopia-justifies-the-means régime of any sort.
The fella that ran the scoreboard in New York oh, Steve Lawrence was slamming the Mets. During the Mets game none of the 5000 buttons wer used. And then getting back to the Mississippi River. Folks used to have fun back then. Steve Lawrence question, are you the mother of my children? Epic, totally Epic. That's like hurrying somebody out of the house so they could get ready for a surprise birthday party.
It is very irritating that Arlene spoiled the questioning of the mystery guest. She had a habit of going to pieces when she realized the identity of the guest, especially when it was not her turn. I wish she had kept quiet and let the questioning continue.
The Russian contestant is one, of the most enchanting women, ever, I've seen. Note: I, probably, have used the word five times, in my sixty-one years. Yes, I know the definition.
It's tradition in the Daly family - John's brother, father, grandson, and at least one nephew were all named John also. The family had very specific rules, it seems - first son has the mother's maiden name as his middle name. Second son is named after the father. First girl is named after her paternal grandmother, second daughter is named after the maternal grandmother, etc. It didn't start with John but was already a tradition when he was born.
Does anyone know why they all said “goodnight, Virginia” at the end? On all the other episodes I’ve seen so far they usually just say goodnight to whoever’s sitting next to them on on the panel, because of that, this one obviously struck me as being somewhat odd. I’ll keep trying to figure it out, but after several minutes sifting through google results I’ve had no such luck, so any relevant information would be greatly appreciated.
Bennett says "the girls" look as pretty as Judy Garland did a little while ago. This refers to Garland's one season variety show that aired on CBS Sunday's from 9-10pm ET. The shows are out there, I think some on RUclips and perhaps others via file sharing. Judy was Judy and magnificent. But the show was plagued by inside trouble and intrigue so bad, that it helped ruin any hope of a real Garland comeback. The best shows are those which she has another singer on (Streisand or Merman) or even better, the concert shows where she did her thing for an hour alone.
"The Judy Garland show" is the classic example of how not to produce a variety program. By the time it premiered that night, it went through two or three producers already. The head of CBS disliked Judy -- and it shows in the program. Any producer with any sense would have preserved Judy and done TV concerts maybe once or twice a month. It became some sort of running controversy that Judy was touching her guests too much for the sensibilities of average TV viewers. We should BE so lucky.
The Judy Garland Show is actually available on DVD-- I once knew the guy who produced the set, who was a completely obsessed fan. Looks like it's now out print, though, and selling for a small fortune on amazon.
soulierinvestments The show WAS too much for someone of Judy's fragility, physically and emotionally. But it seems that everything and everyone was aligned against her. She felt that way. Jerry van Dyke, talent that he is, was so wrong for that show, and I read in a book about the show (probably on Amazon, it came out 10 or more years ago) that Mel Torme' was a real ass to deal with. It is really too bad. I tend to agree with soulierinvestments that Judy was a once a month special, if it was going to be a series at all. One thing very nice about the show, is that you can see that for all of her troubles, she was a very loving Mom.
Arlene kinda dropped the ball addressing the Russian teacher. "Comrade" would be used by one Communist party member when addressing another party member. As a westerner, Arlene done better to have addressed her as "gospazitza".
I love the way John will give the panelists enough rope to hang themselves with. "When you say (so and so), do you mean.(blah blah)? Ah, very good. That's nine down, one to go."
I don't mind the communists anymore. I think I've told you that my grandfather was red and my Mother's companion after she divorced my Dad was a former musician with MGM who was blacklisted in the 50's. He was a communist until the day he died (1994) after even the Soviet Union stopped all that. Ain't no communists gonna scare me! Ghosts, maybe, but not reds.
Joe Postove I just wanted to provoke you to leave the faked book and come back to us, before my net-conn. broke down. But it didn't help, and it broke down.
September 29th, 1963, was the date that the highly anticipated (but ultimately ill-fated) JUDY GARLAND SHOW premiered earlier in the evening on the same network.
Steve Lawrence passed away this year in 2024 at the age of 88. If I’m correct, that would make him the last surviving member who served on the panel of What’s My Line
I know Steve loved Eydie. I know he was around alot of pretty girls and would never act upon it but this Russian girl he was quite interested.in. And Eydie was the mystery guest next. wandered what she thought?
@@VickyRBenson Nothing to do with dogs. A distaff is used in spinning thread; it's a spindle that holds the raw wool, flax, or other fiber before it is twisted into thread, either by hand or on a spinning wheel. In a rather sexist way, the name became a way to refer to "women's work" and so "the distaff side" just means women as a group, or the maternal branch of a family tree. I've only seen it in books written long before the time of this show, so was surprised that it was part of the conversation.
hopicard Yes they were pretty bad in those days... one of the worst teams of all time. They became the "miracle Mets" in '69, winning the World Series.
It was only the second season in the history of the franchise. The team chose to select name players, even if they were over the hill, in the expansion draft to stock the team. They felt they would need that to draw fans in a market that had been saturated with great baseball teams, especially before the Dodgers and Giants moved to the West Coast. (At least one of those three teams was in the World Series every year from 1949-1966.) Little did they know that baseball fans who hated the Yankees were starving for a team they could root for, regardless. The majority of those fans were Dodger fans and the older ones could remember when their beloved "Bums" were a mediocre team in most seasons (until 1939 when Larry McPhail had his first winning season, his second year in charge of the team). Once the Mets moved into their brand new stadium in 1964, they outdrew the Yankees every year (including in 1974 and 1975 when the two teams shared Shea Stadium) until 1976 when a renovated Yankee Stadium opened and the Yankees won the AL pennant for the first time since 1964.
It's interesting how quickly Bennett zeros in on the fact that she was presently working for the Moscow Circus, and yet it still took them quite a long time to get her actual line.
Sad news for you fans of Steve Lawrence. He has just joined Eydie Gorme in Heaven as of this post. RIP to both as well as those in this appear chapter 5 of this episode, which is Eydie as the mystery guest. In Memoriam Steve Lawrence 1934-2024. 😥
***** Thanks for that bit of information. John usually announced in advance the reasons that WML might be preempted on an upcoming Sunday night, but this time he didn't, and I had been wondering.
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I loved watching these vintage shows here. Both Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme were so classy and talented. It happens that my Father was friends with Steve and his older brother Bernie, as a boy growing up in Brooklyn. He told me Steve would tag along with him and his brother to the movies, he also remembered having fun snowball fights In Winter, etc. Years ago, for my Fathers 80th birthday, Steve sent my Father a personal note and autographed photo, at my request. How kind of him to have done that. It made for such a great surprise, and I cherish it more now since my Father has passed. RIP Steve and Edie, Together again. Theirs was a love.
What a sweet memory! Like many stars, Steve Lawrence had class.
I appeared in Vegas with Steve and Eydie as a backup singer in 1980. Steve was all seriousness and took charge while making sure everything was ready and in order while Eydie was relaxed and chatted away with us during rehearsals. What a pleasure!
Wow what an honor that musta been. Classy couple, they.
Thank you so much for this information. I love that these comments give us so much context!
I always liked Steve and Eydie. Pros.
I agree with the other posters. You are to be envied for having worked with Steve and Eydie, and yes, it does add so much to the overall experience when folks post their own experiences with guests. Steve and Eydie happen to be among my favorite couples from a fan's perspective.
In 1963 my parents moved to LA from Chicago. Drove down Rte. 66, Blame it on the bossa nova was on radio constantly. I'll always remember the trip for that song.
"Are you the mother of my children?" is so cute. They were together 55 years.
Eydie Gorme was an incredibly gifted (bilingual) singer and I don't think she ever got the full credit she deserved. Upon her death in 2013 her husband Steve Lawrence issued a very touching statement which, in part, praised his beloved spouse and partner of 55 years. Mr. Lawrence called Eydie "one of the greatest pop singers ever" - and he was exactly correct.
Maybe the greatest credit and compliment came from the Chairman of the Board, Sinatra thought they were great and had the purest and most genuine voices.
@gcjerryusc Her biggest radio hit was called Blame It On the Bossa Nova. That might be the song you are thinking of.
@z Folks in the US don't have time to learn other languages.. we'd love to, but we're too busy working and earning the untold billions of dollars we give away each year all around the world in foreign aid.
@z I suspect the chap above who wrote about her being a bilingual singer was not discussing her literacy or fluency in languages, but rather that she recorded successfully for years in two separate languages. She spoke from her childhood English, Spanish, Ladino & prayer Hebrew. But she recorded numerous successful LPs/albums in English and in Spanish, both alone and with Steve Lawrence in English and Trio Los Pancho in Spanish. We are not all stupid or uneducated in the U.S., though that is hard to tell nowadays. However, many consider languages a special accomplishment, as geography does not require multilingualism of us, as it does of those who live on continents with more small nations all speaking their own languages. There has been no need on the whole for Americans to learn other languages until recently. Now one could say with English, Spanish and Mandarin dominating through numbers of speakers, that it would be wise to know those to maneuver about our home planet. I have only Welsh, French and English, so am quite intellectually handicapped, I suppose?
@gcjerryusc Eydie was a great torch singer, among other things. I didn't see that anyone replied to you. I think you may be remembering her rendition of "If He Came Into My Life Today." This was by the great Jerry Herman. In my view these are among the best lyrics ever written in this type of torch song.
Best WML question ever: Are you the mother of my children?
Or the Earnie Kovacs question to Edith "You aren't my wife, are you?"
The Russian teacher was gorgeous. Eydie Gorme did the best she could which was pretty good at say the least. Not easy to fool your own husband for as long as she did. Thanks for the video.
The Russian teacher was very pretty. She was so gracious and intelligent also. Great representative for Russia. Hope she is still living and teaching English in Russia. Love Love Love Steve and Edyie
Love it when Steve Lawrence says "Are you the mother of my children?"
This was less than 2 months away from one of the worst days in history.
I was a big fan of Steve and Eydie. Their rendition of “Let It Snow” is a great favorite of mine during the Christmas holidays.
I always loved it, too.
I hope there is an afterlife so that Steve and Eydie are reunited. RIP, Mr. Lawrence.
Of course there is... Steve and Eydie are together now.
@@glennleslie6127 "Of course there is"??? Just how do you know this for an actual fact? Btw, I HOPE there is an afterlife.
Steve Lawrence was one of the last surviving members of WML to be on the panel.
Steve and Eydie were THE Item, both with marvelous voices and personalities. Really sorry for Steve's great loss. R.I.P., Eydie.
That Eydie Gorme is adorable.
My sentiments exactly.
I loved her laugh!
Such a wonderful show to watch. John Daly is great!
Loved the nod to The Judy Garland Show that aired earlier that night on the same network.
Steve and Edie seemed like such a sweet couple, and how gracious that she acknowledged the audience. ❤
One fact about Eydie Gorme I'd like to share that I hadn't before:
She and Steve had two kids: David and Michael. Michael died suddenly in 1986. The famous singing pair were performing in Atlanta, Georgia, when they found out. Family friend Frank Sinatra sent his private plane to fly the couple to New York to meet David, who was attending school at the time. Following their son's death, the duo took a year off to mourn the loss of Michael.
+Vahan Nisanian Eydie never really recuperated from that loss. First of all, it was the parents' worst nightmare. And Michael's death came so completely out of left field...they never saw it coming, and it wasn't an accident or a homicide. A heart attack of all things.
I can't imagine a worse thing happening for a parent. At my dad's memorial service, I acknowledged that as much as I was grieving, I knew it would be worse if my parents had to bury me or my brother.
OMG! I didn't know this. Thank you for sharing.
@@loissimmons6558 very true, my best friend since high school passed away back in February of 2007 at the age of 28. Seeing as he was an only child, the toll it took on his parents must have be tremendous. Almost four years later, they seem to be doing a lot better, but I still can’t imagine how traumatic it must have been for them. I hope my parents, nor any other loved one of mine, ever have to go through losing a child, but sadly it seems to be happening more often these days, mostly due to increased rates of overdoses and suicide and more recently, COVID. Sorry for your loss, and although I obviously don’t know you or your father, I’m sure that, despite not wanting to cause you the grief of his passing, he would surely agree with you.
Love 💘 these 2 , Mr and Mrs Steve AND EDIE LAWRENCE 💖💖🤗🙏 just love them
Eydie
Steve and Eydie remain married till death separated them
"Comrade Krassina". Delightful vignette from Cold War era.
This is second time Dorothy identified a Yankee stadium score board operator. She did it before sometime in the mid 1950s. You go girl. Home run.
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But what was all that previous questioning about -- with the being above ground level and being near the water and all that? I don't think she was on the right track yet, because what finally got her a "no" during that round was "is it in any sense a vehicle?", which is way off base (if you will pardon the unintentional pun), but I think the answers she got during that questioning session helped her to get the correct answer later.
And this time it's MY turn to say I'm loving her hair style!
@@savethetpc6406 She wanted to waste some time before identifying the line.
@@savethetpc6406 Have you ever watched this show before? That's how the game is played.
She has the most joyous and contagious laugh I have ever heard
Great singer. She had a beautiful voice and can sing all songs.
Steve and Eddie they were made for each other... perfect couple Great show
Eydie not Eddie
@@ellengutknecht3149 🤔
Listen carefully to Dorothy's comments before the introduction. Just about the only time that anyone mentioned the mystery guest in advance. Wow.
soulierinvestments And she winked at the crowd while doing so.
there was one other occasion earlier but I don't remember the circumstances
@@danielfronc4304 Mystery Guests were not all the time someone related to or involved professionally with the panelists. I tend to think her mentioning Eydie Gorme was because that was the first celebrity name to come into her head when she was looking at Steve right next to her on the panel. But, it is feasible that this one evening she was suspicious because Steve said Eydie kicked him out of the house an hour early and they might have found it odd that he showed up so early, when they arrived at 10pm for the show.
I don’t think they absolutely knew for sure who was going to be the MG. Just rummaged through their brains as to what is playing in town, latest news etc. and they knew the WML bagof tricks by now. There were many times they thought someone was gonna be on and they weren’t (“we thought you were gonna be on lastweek”)
Daniel Fronc I've watched that bit three times and really tried to see it as a wink. Nahhhh it's just a blink. She has no concept of her saying the MG's name and if she did she wouldn't have said it anyway.
Eddie's smile and laugh are contagious!
Eydie
Loved Eydie's Spanish songs in collaboration with the Latin American group called Los Panchos. She sang love songs that were truly considered to be love songs. She was marvelous!
Just saw Mrs. Arlene as a panelist on a rerun of Match Game '78. She didn't have to do much and still managed to outshine all of the others; Class act all the way.
I saw every episode of match game, and I never saw her on there before (but then again, I wouldn't have known her even if I did. This is my first time watching What's My Line).
I am currently watching The Match Game Hollywood Squares Hour, and I noticed that Arlene is on there at some point, but I'm not up to that point yet
@@kristabrewer9363 She first appeared on MG in 1973 and 78 was her last match on match game.
I grew up on Long Island in a family with mixed baseball loyalties. One brother and I are Mets fans. Dad, my sister, and my other brother root for the Yankees. Mom mourns the passing of the Brooklyn Dodgers. So I loved all the banter with the scoreboard guy and promptly shared the link with everyone.
Peter Winkler - Some of us will never feel the earth is on its axis correctly until the Dodgers are back in Brooklyn. And I'm a native Bostonian reared in Philadelphia.
I thought Dorothy's question about the Met's scoreboard was interesting. Maybe their backwards ball/strikes display has something to do with the Met's ineptitude.
"President Kennedy's 50 mile measure" refers to a contemporary craze for long distance walking. The story I've heard is that Kennedy inspired the craze by issuing training orders to the Marine Corps that involved long distance walking.
Steve & Eydie were such a great couple! ❤️
I'm going to go Google Johns baby. That was a fun show!!!
The Kennedy comment though…about eight weeks later and he’d be gone. And some would say Dorothy lost her life as an ultimate result…
Eydie... one of the GREAT talents of our age.
Henry Mudinger is still alive and still does the Yankee Stadium scoreboard from time to time.
Steve and Edie were such a cute couple❤
They had two sons, one tragically dying in 1986 at the age of 23 after knee surgery from a fall in a softball game. The young man, Michael, had experienced a mild heart condition as a teenager. Overcome with grief, the couple didn't perform for a year.
Steve Lawrence was born Sydney Leibowitz, and Edie was born Edie Gormezano, the child of Turkish and Italian Jews.
Steve Lawrence lived in my neighborhood in Brooklyn: East New York, and we both attended Thomas Jefferson High School.
Eydie gave her husband a very nice kiss on the way out. Guest wives usually just give a quick acknowledgement but nothing as passionate like this.
Loved this.
The Yankee Stadium scoreboard operator would be putting up a lot of zeroes during the two upcoming World Series games that were played at Yankees Stadium. They only scored in the eight inning against Sandy Koufax in their 5-2 loss in Game One and only in the ninth inning against Johnny Podres in their 4-1 loss in Game Two. The Series didn't come back to NY. The Dodgers finished them off in LA in a four game sweep.
Dorothy loves guessing the "line" SO much,..
I would LOVE to know what Eydie says privately to Steve that cracks him up as she's leaving!
It was mentioned: she was able to get ready quickly because she was wearing a wig.
R.I.P. Steve Lawrence ...
John had two sons with Virginia Warren, John Warren Daly and John Earl Jameson Daly, both of whom are partly named for their grandfather Chief Justice Of The Supreme Court Earl Warren and a daughter Nina Elisabeth Daly. prior to that he was married to and divorced from Margaret Griswell Neal in January 1937(divorced 1959). The marriage resulted in sons John Neal Daly and John Charles Daly III and daughter Helene Fitzgerald Daly. John Daly liked himself a lot!
Maybe that was a long standing family tradition, that all the boys were named John ? It might explain the proliferation of middle names he had.
What's My Line?
Yes, from what I've read about John Daly, that was exactly the case -- a longstanding family tradition of naming all sons John, with varying middle names. I just wonder what they actually called them at home, especially when there was more than one son to one set of parents. I think it's widely known that prizefighter George Foreman named all his sons George. I don't know whether or not they had middle names, but according to Wikipedia, they were distinguished by Roman numerals (George Jr., George III, George IV, George V , George VI), as well as by some interesting nicknames.
They all were called by their middle names. That's why no two have the same middle name. Over the years there were a few cases where Arlene or Bennett slipped up and called John 'Charlie". It must have helped them with the formality of the show to have to call him "John" while on the air while calling him "Charlie" in private.
TMJ Lacon
So you think that in private life, his friends and family knew him as Charlie? I've never noticed the panelists doing that, but that's interesting! I'll be listening for any references to "Charlie" now. :)
Yes, he was called Charlie in private life and John professionally.
When given the pin as a gift by the Russian guest, Steve Lawrence says "On the back it says made in Japan." OUCH! Sometimes the line between funny and rude is razor thin.
Yes. That's pretty intense, really. Especially coming right after Daly's words, "well I hope that you carry home a good impression of us we're really quite nice people" at 11:03.
Her accent, incidentally, does not strike me as remotely Russian, or even Slavic.
@@worldnotworld She was a spy or the KGB -
That was tactless and distasteful.
@@worldnotworld It's fairly subtle, and may have been influenced by where she herself learned English (I remember a story of a German English teacher and how she could tell when her female students started hanging around US soldiers at a nearby military base because she could detect the American influence on their accents when speaking English) as well as her attempting to minimize her own accent, just as you or I would do in speaking a non-native language.
We were in the middle of the hottest part of the cold war, then. I was 2 years old, but Kruschev banging a shoe at the UN 3 years prior, Cuban missile crisis 1 year earlier in Oct '62 fresh in minds of people that the world could end. And more than likely as someone else suggests, Russians allowed to travel to USA more than likely had KGB connections.
Dorothy Kilgallen was so smart.
J. Edgar Hoover.....thought that too. She knew too much.
I waded across the Mississippi River at its source at Lake Itasca, Minnesota.
Lovely couple!
Arlene's gown is slipping off. That's show enough for me!
+Joe Postove
Sho' nuff that sounds like something you'd say.
Never seen couple have such a passionate kiss exiting. Beautiful. Shows how much they loved each other. ❤
I LOVE(D) the Way and Nuances of Which She Laughed and Smiled😊☺️😊😊🧸
Miss Crassina (as John Daly referenced) we WERE nice people in that time (1963) but now... I think we are not that once great nation. Many of us still hold true to values, respect, dignity, honesty, sincerity, and I could go on. Nowadays, each day I live, I see on the screen and out and about the atrocity of people's downward spiral in just the way they choose to embrace this evil time we are in right now. Sad, but true. I am hopeful that our Lord Jesus Christ WILL be coming sooooooon!!!!! I am ready as ever to leave this place for Heaven!!!
Anybody ever noticed that it’s the stage actresses and actors that usually then shake hands with the panel and then turn around for a brief acknowledgment of the audience
Normally, I'm not a big fan of the mystery guest being the spouse or having some relationship with a panelist. It's a little too cutesy-poo. But Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme were an irresistible pair, and besides (and I was a little surprised) the panel did not latch on to it right away.
Joe Postove A little too *Cutesy-poo!* I'll better make myself a "Postovian Dictionary" ;D
SuperWinterborn "Postovian" is a very rare and special area of scholasticism!
Joe Postove Then I better be serious, and start making it. There will of course be some problems with the translation, and in particular the etymological part ;)
SuperWinterborn Don't worry about all that SW, just wing it (on Postovian Airways)!
+Joe Postove
No doubt the other panelists asked about Eydie when they greeted Steve. He probably noted that she was up to her elbows in dishwater when he left.
The era of class & elegance. Unfortunatly it's gone RIP Eydie
See, not all Russian women look like Ernest Borgnine!
What does the center diamond added several years ago to Arlene’s necklace, denote?…lovely.
Steve Lawrence was laughing when John was describing the Russian lady as being salaried and performs a service. Well, she could have hardly been self employed!
Joe Postove But come to think about it, everyone was self-employed there ... given that the people owned the state.
@@leadcloud8290
The state owned the people the same way Simon Legree owned his slaves. That's the only way it CAN be under a utopia-justifies-the-means régime of any sort.
The fella that ran the scoreboard in New York oh, Steve Lawrence was slamming the Mets. During the Mets game none of the 5000 buttons wer used. And then getting back to the Mississippi River. Folks used to have fun back then. Steve Lawrence question, are you the mother of my children? Epic, totally Epic. That's like hurrying somebody out of the house so they could get ready for a surprise birthday party.
It is very irritating that Arlene spoiled the questioning of the mystery guest. She had a habit of going to pieces when she realized the identity of the guest, especially when it was not her turn. I wish she had kept quiet and let the questioning continue.
Eydie and Steve were adorable!
How generous in spirits was the woman from Moscow. That was a lovely gesture.
As I'm watching this, I realized this aired 59 years ago today
60 (12/1/23)
Edith Gomezano was her birth name.
The Russian contestant is one, of the most enchanting women, ever, I've seen. Note: I, probably, have used the word five times, in my sixty-one years. Yes, I know the definition.
John Daley named all his sons John. That must have been a little more than confusing.
That’s weird. That’s like George Foreman calling all of his sons George.
Different middle names. John went by his middle name with friends.
@leesher1845 George Foreman named his daughters George too.
It's tradition in the Daly family - John's brother, father, grandson, and at least one nephew were all named John also.
The family had very specific rules, it seems - first son has the mother's maiden name as his middle name. Second son is named after the father. First girl is named after her paternal grandmother, second daughter is named after the maternal grandmother, etc. It didn't start with John but was already a tradition when he was born.
Hilarious moment with Dalyish stumbling and tumbling with words around 19:37 ;D
Does anyone know why they all said “goodnight, Virginia” at the end? On all the other episodes I’ve seen so far they usually just say goodnight to whoever’s sitting next to them on on the panel, because of that, this one obviously struck me as being somewhat odd. I’ll keep trying to figure it out, but after several minutes sifting through google results I’ve had no such luck, so any relevant information would be greatly appreciated.
Virginia was John Daly’s wife who had just given birth a few days before this episode.
Eydie was so classy. No tacky tattoos.
Some distinction, lol....what other similar-type singer in 1963 had tattoos?
Bennett says "the girls" look as pretty as Judy Garland did a little while ago. This refers to Garland's one season variety show that aired on CBS Sunday's from 9-10pm ET. The shows are out there, I think some on RUclips and perhaps others via file sharing. Judy was Judy and magnificent. But the show was plagued by inside trouble and intrigue so bad, that it helped ruin any hope of a real Garland comeback. The best shows are those which she has another singer on (Streisand or Merman) or even better, the concert shows where she did her thing for an hour alone.
"The Judy Garland show" is the classic example of how not to produce a variety program. By the time it premiered that night, it went through two or three producers already. The head of CBS disliked Judy -- and it shows in the program. Any producer with any sense would have preserved Judy and done TV concerts maybe once or twice a month. It became some sort of running controversy that Judy was touching her guests too much for the sensibilities of average TV viewers. We should BE so lucky.
soulierinvestments Did she touch them above or below the waist? (Sorry, I'm in Groucho mode now. . . )
The Judy Garland Show is actually available on DVD-- I once knew the guy who produced the set, who was a completely obsessed fan. Looks like it's now out print, though, and selling for a small fortune on amazon.
soulierinvestments The show WAS too much for someone of Judy's fragility, physically and emotionally. But it seems that everything and everyone was aligned against her. She felt that way. Jerry van Dyke, talent that he is, was so wrong for that show, and I read in a book about the show (probably on Amazon, it came out 10 or more years ago) that Mel Torme' was a real ass to deal with. It is really too bad. I tend to agree with soulierinvestments that Judy was a once a month special, if it was going to be a series at all. One thing very nice about the show, is that you can see that for all of her troubles, she was a very loving Mom.
What's My Line? By the way, David Von Pein tried to send a message, but it was marked as spam, in case you didn't know.
*_TEACHES ENGLISH AT MOSCOW COLLEGE_*
*_OPERATES SCOREBOARD AT YANKEE STADIUM_*
Arlene kinda dropped the ball addressing the Russian teacher. "Comrade" would be used by one Communist party member when addressing another party member. As a westerner, Arlene done better to have addressed her as "gospazitza".
I wonder where those Pins are today? 11:20
I love the way John will give the panelists enough rope to hang themselves with. "When you say (so and so), do you mean.(blah blah)? Ah, very good. That's nine down, one to go."
I sing Eydie's songs on Karaoke....."Bossa Nova" and "What did I have that I don't have"
I wish we got to hear the answer to Dorothy's question to the scoreboard operator about the Mets
Me too..
I wonder what was the pin that the nice Russian woman gave to John and the panel? Hammer and Sickle?
Joe Postove
I think she said it was a Moscow Circus pin.
SaveThe TPC Of course Joe knew that, but he has, if not communist phobia, at least he gets troubled with indigestion by the thought of communism. ;D
I don't mind the communists anymore. I think I've told you that my grandfather was red and my Mother's companion after she divorced my Dad was a former musician with MGM who was blacklisted in the 50's. He was a communist until the day he died (1994) after even the Soviet Union stopped all that. Ain't no communists gonna scare me! Ghosts, maybe, but not reds.
Joe Postove I just wanted to provoke you to leave the faked book and come back to us, before my net-conn. broke down. But it didn't help, and it broke down.
What naked book are you talking about? I need more nakedness in my life.
Loved Eydie's typical 1960s bouffant hairdo!
Arlene's haircut and outfit are perfect for her!
2:52 John acknowledges last week's mistake.
. . . but does so by jokingly claiming Bennett was the one who was wrong!
Don't know much about geography. Don't know much biology ...
Who needs Sam Cooke or Peter Noone when you have the WML regulars?
Love the catcalls and whistles from men.
Well, it was 1963..... so. ;-)
Look at the date: could anyone have known that in two months the world would change forever?
Anyone know why they mentioned Judy Garland at the beginning? Did she have a show on TV that night?
Reluctant Dragon No idea!
September 29th, 1963, was the date that the highly anticipated (but ultimately ill-fated) JUDY GARLAND SHOW premiered earlier in the evening on the same network.
Steven Thompson Thanks for info! :)
+R.D. Dragon The Judy Garland Show was a weekly variety show on CBS Television.
Ill-fated? Some of the most precious moments of musical performance preserved on film. If unappreciated at the time, it was their loss.
14:45 Why is the old goof confused on whether Yankee Stadium is in Manhattan? It is in the Bronx.
Steve Lawrence passed away this year in 2024 at the age of 88. If I’m correct, that would make him the last surviving member who served on the panel of What’s My Line
Rip steve
they are forever young
I know Steve loved Eydie. I know he was around alot of pretty girls and would never act upon it but this Russian girl he was quite interested.in. And Eydie was the mystery guest next. wandered what she thought?
You haven't heard what Martin would speak of pretty girls in front of Arlene!
It surprises me the panel cannot guess the scoreboard keeper at a baseball park.
Does anyone refer to women as "The distaff side" anymore. Or did that go out with beehive hairdos?
Joe Postove - One hopes.
That expression is rather jolting. I thought it referred only to a dog! Î
Here’s hoping! Who’s looking after the children is still around though 🤣
@@VickyRBenson Nothing to do with dogs. A distaff is used in spinning thread; it's a spindle that holds the raw wool, flax, or other fiber before it is twisted into thread, either by hand or on a spinning wheel. In a rather sexist way, the name became a way to refer to "women's work" and so "the distaff side" just means women as a group, or the maternal branch of a family tree. I've only seen it in books written long before the time of this show, so was surprised that it was part of the conversation.
@@neilmidkiff thanks so much! That makes a lot of sense. I never knew that before.
Somehow something makes me believe that the Mets weren't so successful in those days :)
Not until 1968/1969.
Being a Mets fan in this period was considered a form of clinical masochism.
Uh...yes. That's a polite way of putting it.
hopicard Yes they were pretty bad in those days... one of the worst teams of all time. They became the "miracle Mets" in '69, winning the World Series.
It was only the second season in the history of the franchise. The team chose to select name players, even if they were over the hill, in the expansion draft to stock the team. They felt they would need that to draw fans in a market that had been saturated with great baseball teams, especially before the Dodgers and Giants moved to the West Coast. (At least one of those three teams was in the World Series every year from 1949-1966.) Little did they know that baseball fans who hated the Yankees were starving for a team they could root for, regardless. The majority of those fans were Dodger fans and the older ones could remember when their beloved "Bums" were a mediocre team in most seasons (until 1939 when Larry McPhail had his first winning season, his second year in charge of the team).
Once the Mets moved into their brand new stadium in 1964, they outdrew the Yankees every year (including in 1974 and 1975 when the two teams shared Shea Stadium) until 1976 when a renovated Yankee Stadium opened and the Yankees won the AL pennant for the first time since 1964.
Dorothy was sooo smart!
Bennett didn’t pronounce that Russian woman’s name correctly even after he heard it pronounced correctly.
A cute Russian girl is the first contestant.
I have to say I find her prettier than the French contestant from yesterday's episode.
Corleone I think both of them are equally pretty.
It's interesting how quickly Bennett zeros in on the fact that she was presently working for the Moscow Circus, and yet it still took them quite a long time to get her actual line.
And she was probably KBG agent.
@@WhatsMyLineI mean, this is height of cold war, she either is withe the circus visiting the town, or works at embassy/UN
I somehow think Steve knew all along that Eydie would be the celebrity guest.
Edye Gorme (Gormezano) was adorable!
Sad news for you fans of Steve Lawrence. He has just joined Eydie Gorme in Heaven as of this post. RIP to both as well as those in this appear chapter 5 of this episode, which is Eydie as the mystery guest. In Memoriam Steve Lawrence 1934-2024. 😥
"Comrade Krissina" -- Was Arlene a Communist?
Yes
Here is what preempted "What's My Line?" a week later on October 6, 1963.
www.tv.com/shows/whats-my-line/preempted-week-14-of-25-97689/trivia/
I was almost 7 then and allowed to stay up for WML. But for this, I would have gone to bed early. At seven, I was more a Loretta Young man.
*****
Thanks for that bit of information. John usually announced in advance the reasons that WML might be preempted on an upcoming Sunday night, but this time he didn't, and I had been wondering.
5:12 Hу, какая красота!
She is Lovely! Happy Wife, Happy Life!
I always wished John would stop helping the panel.
Other than that, he was still the best moderator of WML.