**THE TRUTH** DO ALL SEASON TYRES WORK IN THE SUMMER?
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In this video I find out whether all season tyres work all year round or does their incredible performance in cold and wet conditions comes at a price?
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I ran Michelin Crossclimates on my Mk7 Golf R which came with Bridgestones summers as stock. The Crossclimates were a pretty good all rounder and good in snow, fine in the wet, not a big difference in ice compared to a summer as they are still biased to dry roads. They didn't have that great a feel in warmer temps though 15C and up they felt a bit vague on the Golf R.
Currently I own an i30N and run 2 sets of wheels and tyres, Pirelli summers on some Team Dynamics 1.3 wheels, and Vredstien winters on the stock wheels. The Vredstiens are fantastic in snow, braking is almost summer tyres on dry road level of grip, good in the wet cold weather, and good on ice but not quite as good as snow grip. They give a much lighter steering feel and have a bit less precision but way better than an all season if you have to drive in snow and ice. Once the summers go on steering feel is much meatier, if it's cold, single figure temps, the tyres grumble and shudder on full lock at parking speeds as the LSD fights with them, but they are much more precise at speed, better traction even in the wet if it's warm, far shorter braking distances and generally give more confidence and grip.
The i30N has a bit less power than the clubsport but it's still putting 275bhp or so through the front with a load of torque and a fairly aggressive LSD beyween the front wheels, I tend to run it in the stronger of the two settings which helps pull the front into the apex more. With a hot hatch if you want full year round grip and performance I think the only way is to run either a winter or all season for the winter months and switch to a summer once the temp starts to rise in spring again.
Many people would simply be happy with all seasons on most cars in the UK with our very mixed climate.
Great review. Thanks for doing it. Very informative and it’s good to see a comparison by someone I trust and doesn’t have sales or marketing agendas
As an expat, I find it hilarious that you guys in the uk put on summer tyres for the 3 days of summer 😂
Generally modern summer (normal) tires work OK above 7 degrees but you are right, it's June now and we've only had a handful of days over 20 degrees so all seasons would work for most cars and most drivers, most of the times
Even more fun is the fact that californians seems to run all seasons on their cars. In countries with seasons, UK has seasons with frost, snow and general cold, it's more baffling that people run summers all year long. The Scandianian approach is better, summer tyres for the summer, dedicated winters for late autumn, winter and early spring, that way you're always on the correct tyre.
Also in the summer it's still sub 10c alot of times even in June and July unless we have a real "heatwave"
Really useful and solid comparison - thanks.
Hi Andrew. Informative video as always. Comparison between the two types clear to see depending on how one drives.
If it's a performance VW etc UHP tyre only option to appreciate the handling.
Very close between the Eagle F1 and the Pilot Sport for me.
Thanks Tony, glad you found it useful. Goodyear do seem to be giving Michelin something to think about with the F1 Supersport. Assymetric 6 should be a good all rounder too.
Excellent review 👏 I've only got a lowely Suzuki Swift, it came on Bridgestone ecopia tyres, not bad but wore pretty quickly I feel. Swapped for Vredestein quatrac and the grip is better all around! (And it coped superbly in light mushy snow 👍) Is this a thing with eco tyres, slightly higher mpg granted but less grip etc? 🤔
Late here but in England on a TT should I swap my worn pzeros for all season conti 2? Sick of winter no traction but we’ve only had 5 days of sun? It’s not Quattro
I think that the Goodyear Eagle Exhilarate would be the better choice for a UHP All-Season tire although I'm not sure they're available in the UK. Unless you're doing occasional track days a good UHP All-Season tire is probably the better all-round tire as they ride better, last longer and are a bit cheaper to buy. And besides, do you really need maximum grip on the road, it's nice to slide the car around a bit without doing crazy speeds?
If you drive normally I suppose they are a good option but if you like to press on within reason a performance oriented tyre would be better
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For normal driving not gti style the all season tyres are the best for uk roads because not apply they are safer in winter but most of the roads here are rough and all season tyres v shaped can absorb and cancel road noise much better than summer tyres.
I generally fit all seasons here in the UK, for me, they just give better grip for most of the year.
A bit late to this video but I can't fault my PS4Ss other than the cost. Really changed the character of the car.
Use them all year though.
I bought Kleber Quadraxer 3 for my Golf 7.5 variant 1.6 disel, and i am going to see how long would they last
Over here in NA a tire called All-Season is known as a 3 season tire. Most of them are hopeless below 7deg C or in ice and snow. We do have some all climate tires though, the Michelin Cross Climate II being the best so far. These are rated for hot NA summers through to full on cold weather and reasonable snow conditions.
I'd forgotten there is some confusion in NA. The Goodyear all season tyre is also approved for use in countries that require winter tyres by law such as Germany so they most definitely work in winter weather. As a result Both the Goodyear Vector 4 seasons Gen 3 and Michelin Cross Climate 2 are 3 peak mountain snowflake branded
US tyres are often different compounds to rest of world despite the same name due to the expected tyre life and long distances many people drive.
Mounted my set today in sweden, icy and snowy roads -10deg c today and i had absolutely no issues at all. I couldn't even tell a difference from the goodyear ultragrip ice 2 winter tyres i had on before
Most people probably don't appreciate the effort that you've put into the different angles during this video, the 'chase' shots (if you call them that) are great.
Thanks for that Owain! Glad you noticed as this video was made on the basis of do it right, not do it quickly. For a start it took weeks to get 20 degrees so why rush?! My wife is responsible for the chase shots so deserves some credit, we have a set route or 2 and do one take with the GoPro on the back of her TT. For this video I used one of my first suction mounts which is metal and I haven't used for years to stop the shake that happens when doing these chase shots and it seems to have largely fixed it so every day is a school day. But once again very pleased you noticed 👍
That isnot warm. That is spring in Croatia. Warm is 35+ in shade. Would they melt then?
Really interesting video, thank you 👍 Any major difference with comfort, ride quality and road noise though, or is the high performance summer tyre equally as good (or better?).
Ride seems similar unexpectedly, Supersport marginally louder but not excessive
All season tyres are fitted as standard fitment on the corvette C8 stingray there's very little difference in the summer specially if your rear suspension is been set with harder springs
I’ve got the Gen 2s on my 3 series. Really good and the weather in Scotland has only just changed sufficiently for me to put my summers back on. Think that’s what I’ll be doing on my day off on Friday. That’s what the Queen would want, right?
The problem nobody emphasise it's when it's really hot outside(over 40 degrees), then the all season tires are useless, or when it's really a lot of snow..
Very interesting thanks. I would have liked to see the two 0-60 times.
There are many avenues I could have gone down, for example if I did dry 0-60 someone would wanted wet etc etc. Safe to day the all seasons as tested were significantly slower but the key point is that they really didn't like being pushed that hard, the F1 Supersports were clearly more up for it.
@@volkswizard Fair comment Andrew. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Brilliant video, it’s really helped me understand the difference between the two tyres in the real world 👍🙂👏
Glad it helped Chris, thanks for watching and commenting👍
Great comparison Andrew. I'd guess a wet summers day might be a different story? Certainly a good argument for two sets of tyres though... 👍
Thanks Colin. Curiously the all season is rated as inferior in the wet to the Assymetric 5 because all they test is wet breaking (I don't have data for the Supersport or at what temperature they test at which might be crucial)
I have the GoodYear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 3 tires on my car and i have to say that this are the best tires i ever had. The Performance is incredible and for a normal driver the best choice i think.
I drive them on my Toyota Yaris Hybrid.
I wonder what the braking distances/feel would be in the wet between the two ?
I suspect All Seasons will be worse in the wet, the EU tyre label only measures wet weather performance by braking in a straight line and Vector 4 seasons Gen 3 was worse than the Assymetric 5. In the wet and cold though, I think All Season might edge it as compound will be in its temperature window.
It'd be like Aqua-Plaining I reckon....
Andrew a great video, on the comparison of both tyres. You really can see how the car behaves quite differently. If we're me I'd do the same is to change the tyres in the cooler months. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼fantastic.
Thanks Musti, glad you enjoyed it and could see the difference in behaviour 👍👍👍
On most ordinary cars they work well. I wouldn’t use them on a high performance car. However I currently have a t roc with 18 inch wheels running Michelin all season and two up the B road ride is horrible. Fill up the boot and it’s better but how much is tyres and how much is the t roc I don’t know.
warm and dry?? not round here!
Put Michelin all season tyres on my wife’s Honda CRV and made huge difference in improving comfort and reduced noise plus more mpg. Now getting c 60/63 to gallon on mixed road driving (auto diesel). Not a performance car though 😂
Continental extreme contact dws 06 + work great in every season,fantastic in rain summer tires are too soft and come oem on my golf r 2019,I took them off and never used again ..continental extreme contact dws 06 +...superb traction and 550 treadwaear...amazing grip and long life
I run the same on my Mk7.5 GTI
in the UK?
@@MauriceNL1 Negative, I'm on the east coast of the US.
@@zippin1 Ah had a little brain error by this. Conti extreme contact is not deliverd in the UK and Europe. We have ContiSportContact summer tyres
@@MauriceNL1 the summer contact sport came from factory...I took them off after using extreme contacts on all my vws for years and years the summer sport contacts in the summer where horrible, too soft,the extreme contacts are better in the summer..plus in rain excellent I gave the summer contacts away..to me unusable. Extreme contact dws o6 plus are much better in rain and all around,and winter stay on all year 51 000 mikes out of last set
I drive a station car for work. Fully loaded Astra. With all seasons. And they work all year round. No problem. Mayb they ware a bit more than summer.
Hi, can you make a video about where to place those jacks under the car?
Hi, I didn't fit place the jacks but Mk8 is easy, I think there are triangle arrows in the plastic sill covers pointing where to go and the sill is reinforced at the jacking point so looks a bit thicker.
@@volkswizard thx
damn I was hoping to find out if the all season tyres are good at temperatures 30+ like we experience in Greece during the whole summer. Well thanks anyway 20 degrees is fall and spring here.
I'd say 'oxi' to 30 degrees plus, easy answer!
@@volkswizard thanks for the reply.I was thinking the same.
I think a lot of what you’re experiencing is psychosomatic You’re already not expecting them to be as good in the dry to some extent do you not think? And a more budget dry tire, rather than a premium sport tire may have been the better comparison, Just a thought 👍☹️
I find launch control is really useless on my TCR
I cannot imagined golf 8 club sport been much better🤛
It is useless but it's more useless on all season tyres on warm day😁
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I posted on your original video that I have these on my 7.5PP. They were much better than the potenzas I had in winter and I've now done 4500 miles. They seem "OK" in summer, definitely not as good as the summer tyres, but I think given that I live in Scotland and need one set, they are the best option. The gap in the cold was more than enough to make up the difference in the warm. The other tyres were downright dangerous under 2/3C, but these won't kill anything but lap times over 18C.
As a side note, when I first got them my handling was much softer and floaty, but that disappeared after a couple of thousand miles.
Thanks for the long term owner feedback Rhys, glad they are working out for you 👍
Update.
I finished off the all seasons at 18K miles, they had extreme uneven wear in the centre and were absolutely awful with any spirited wet warm driving.
I've now switched to two sets - asymmetric 6 and blizzak. The difference is night and day on this car.
My wife's Q3 has Michelin crossclimate and does fine in all conditions, but is admittedly driven in a very different way.
In summary: if you have a normal car, driven normally, all seasons are great all year round and can keep going in almost all conditions.
If you car is slightly fast and you like to have some fun but need to drive in all conditions, you need two sets or you will be disappointed. An alternative would be UHP year round and drive sensibly in cold wet weather and never go out in snow.
Great comparison with the GTI CS sounding great and deserving of high performance tyres - BTW hooning is a must on country B roads within speed limits of course 😉
Have you got B roads down under? Silly question as you can't hoon anywhere in AUS can you due to very efficient and well manned police force?
@@volkswizard we do have mobile and fixed speed cameras but my trip weekly for work Geelong to Bendigo is a 2.5 hour each way hoon fest on quiet C roads which the RS265 loves and turbo boost when -2 degrees early 8n am is fabulous 🥳😜
Do a golf r 4wd makes all the difference
I'd rather be in any 2WD car in snow on all season tyres than a Golf R or any 4WD car on normal tyres because they can't stop. Also the dry handling on the performance tyres is where the Clubsport shines over the R as the GTI's sharper set up really makes the most of a good tyre.
some numbers would have been helpful...
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Hi David, I have made sure not to use the max DB setting as otherwise there is a little distortion but a common complaint of high pitched back ground noise is outside of my control, pretty sure it's external interfence from a some sort of radio transmitter such as phone mast etc. Glad this one was better 👍
I have a question, the regular GTI costs almost 10.000 euro less then the clubsport, is the clubsport 10.000 euro better? The regular gti also has that slip diff, alu subframe etc etc, so why this massive difference in price?
The price difference is much smaller in the UK (around half that) and even then it's tricky to justify the CS but 245 to 300 is a lot of power. You also get the biggest brakes of any Golf so far (357mm) which are 2 piece, 245 gets just 340mm of Mk7 and one piece. You also get the big spoiler which makes a huge difference to the looks (as it does on Golf R). The decals on side are CS specific. Other details changes too (but no Clubsport badge anywhere!).
GTD, GTE look a lot like GTI, CS is different at front and back.
The CS's level of performance is pretty astounding for the money, the GTI is merely good but 10k Euros is a lot of cash so hard to justify especially if you never use on track which is where most of the CS's upgrades will be felt the most.
@@volkswizard Thanks, maybe i just go for the cupra leon, same price as a base gti here in belgium but the internals are the same as the clubsport as i saw the reviews, also with big brembo brakes... Good choice?
@@billx4266 I have a 2019 Cupra 290 and unless you really care about the brand your buying the same car. As VolksWizard found out some of them come with the Golf R ECU tune giving them more power than advertised.
The LSD does a great job, they look good to me (not so keen on the newer ones). Drive a little bit sportier due to their different suspension settings and you also get adaptive dampers as standard.
@@JP_RS6 The newer one doesnt look as good to me too... I guess i stay with my MK7 3 doors clubsport. The newer one is not special enough to upgrade.
That's fascinating, especially as I'm thinking of doing exactly that with my Wife's car (she is considering an A1).
Think you've nailed it with the conclusion - for the majority of drivers, an all season tyre will be a great choice. I guess for the very low profile tyres/wheels, they won't be great though (I've 19" Spielbergs on my 7.5 R Estate) - I don't think 35 profile all season tyres would be particularly effective (or even if you can get them). I've got 17" Dijon wheels that I use for the winter, keeps the Spielbergs in good nick too
I've often wondered whether all season tyres with 18" wheels would be better than full winters on 17" wheels? They work well, but they aren't exactly enjoyable during early spring/late autumn when the weather is particularly variable. I'd think all season tyres would work particularly well then.
Great video though, lots of useful info there👍
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew. I think you'd be very impressed with all season tyres, my video in the snow confirmed they are very close to full winters in snow yet so much more enjoyable when the weather goes above 7 degrees as this video hopefully shows👍
@@volkswizard that's my "take" on it too - maybe I'll get a set of 2nd hand Cadiz 18" alloys & all seasons!
May be able to add something to this! I used a set of Cross Climate 2’s on some 18’s, vs my 19 summers (GTD) and although I’ve never had 17’s with winters.. vs the UHP tyre on the 19’s the all season are definitely not enjoyable. It’s comfortable, ride is soft, noise low and great grip in cold conditions etc, but do not bite well, roll around in the corner and i felt like i had my car back when the summer came around and i switched back. In heavy rain conditions the all seasons actually snag in deep water and can catch you out sometimes! I put a set on for the sub zero conditions however and no doubt they are rather good vs summers there and a good options vs the full winters.
No all seasons for me 😏
you could be an osteopath with those tyre palpation skills 😆
ABS is making the braking distance longer?? 4:30 That makes no sense.
ABS does increase stopping distances. The trade off is that under hard breaking you still have steering control of the car. In a non-abs car if you lock up the wheels you'll have no ability to successfully avoid a collision. If the wheels aren't rotating then they can't steer, they just slide. ABS keeps the wheels rotating giving the driver the ability to possibly avoid a collision.
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