4WD vs All Weather / All Season Tires - Is AWD better than the correct tyres?
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2020
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The next in the series of our "Drivetrain VS Tires" is an AWD (4x4 / 4WD) system vs all season (europe) / all weather tyres (US) tires.
Both cars are identical Mini Countryman S, but one has all wheel drive (AWD) and the other is front wheel drive (FWD).
The all season tyre 2wd vehicle has Goodyear Vector 4Season Gen 3 and the summer tyre 4wd has the Goodyear EfficientGrip Performance 2. Both tyres are in the same size and load rating and have the same BMW Mini specific tyre pressures.
The tests in the video include acceleration and braking on snow, snow handling, snow hill climb, snow braking on a hill, and snow circle to test lateral grip.
Which combination of drive train and tyres was best? You'll have to watch the video :)
Note, I know I use 4x4 and AWD interchangeably in the video.
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Thanks for pinning this comment, I kept seeing the legend and thinking I was missing something!
@@SmartMass Me too!
The legend is confusing because the left car in legend is the car on the right.
I was somewhat confused! :-)
@@gplusgplus2286 so much this...frig that was confusing.
Another Stella video mate, love these 2wd vs 4wd comparison videos, amazing what a 2wd car can do on better suited rubber!
:D can't wait to see your M2 on some winters
Yeah, rubber makes all the difference. It's about choosing between pure pleasure and lifetime of headache vs compromised fun for the time being and no worries afterwards :)
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Nothing amazing about it, it just shows you 4WD is not important when you don't fit the right tires for the season.
Would love to see the results 4x4 all season v 4x4 Winter...Pretty sure winter would win...but i'd like to see HOW much difference.
agreed. while 2wd snow vs 4wd all season (PLEASE stick with the same goodyear all seasons, for continuity's sake!) will be interesting to see, a balls-out 4wd vs 4wd test would be an excellent comparison.
On snow and ice, winter tyres would be better. On wet and dry, all seasons would be better, I think.
Yes, 2WD (preferably FWD) snow vs 4wd all season (with Goodyear tires)
Depends on how much snow you have on the road, been using all seasons instead of winter tyres for the last 2 years and when you have 3/4 cm of snow on the road the all seasons are a safe tyre and can get you to your destination. I currently live at central France (1000m altitude) and have icy/snowy roads a few weeks per year, when possible i do a week at Andorra or at the Alpes. The tyres used where the lm001 from Bridgestone (winters) and the AS210 from Falken (all seasons) for the past 2 years.
Hope this helps you choose the right tyre
He already did a month ago but unfortunately with a 4x4 pick up truck. When in 4x2 rwd drive the results where even worse than if he would have used these two coopers to test the tires.
ruclips.net/video/a7E3GTpgvjs/видео.html
"Four Wheel Drive does not mean Four Wheel Stop", one of the best quotes I've ever heard, and the key reason to get Winter Tires - although off the line and hill start traction is also a key reason.
With 4WD if you know how to drive properly you can use the 4WD system to help you slow down with engine braking and lower gears but for the general population it doesn't do anything to help stop....its why you see all the 4x4's and AWD's in the ditches or fields every snowstorm LOL.
@@wildbill23c I only drive manual transmissions and use engine braking all the time. But I'm not sure that's any advantage in snow and ice conditions.
@@wildbill23c I somewhat agree , if you drop a gear then there is four wheels slowing the car, more balanced, less inclination to step out as one Axl has more resistance.
But in general a 4x4 on wrong tire is useless braking as it’s heavier too.
That is one of the stupidest sayings of all time. Because 4wd does mean 4 wheel stop because its stopping all 4 wheels. But that being said all things being equal 4wd will reduce your braking distance, especially in snow.
Great video. I wish everyone with 4WD/AWD vehicles understood this lesson. Tires are the most important when it comes to control. All seasons are obviously not as good as winter tires for the cold and snow, but for many drivers it’s the only practical option.
It will be interesting to see also a test between budget/overused winter tires on 4WD vs a premium winter tire on a FWD
Great video!
In the intro the white car is AWD, and the black car is FWD. But in the bottom left it's swapped? It says Black AWD, White FWD.
Indeed. White is AWD (actually ALL4 as the name on the door says) but marks are swapped.
Exactly ! Thanks for pointing that out.
Yes, very confusing when it says on the screen AWD AS vs FWD SUM. That would be a pointless test.
Yeah, silly mistake by me, sorry guys!
Glad someone else noticed that! As this was really confusing me as to what was happening in the video!!😮🤔😊👍😎😷
All season awd vs winter tire fwd would be really cool to see
Yep, it’s how this video should have been made. Most awd vehicles in the USA that people buy for poor weather conditions already come with all season tires. It’s those people that usually don’t think winter tires are needed because of their awd.
The sponsor don't want you to see the result from that one. 😏
@@45eno all season tires can be pretty good in the snow though - this video proves that! As long as you don't live somewhere with extreme winters all seasons do a perfectly good job.
@@mrgreatauk Winters still do better than all season tires. The problems in those areas that don’t get constant snow is 1.) the drivers aren’t as accustomed to driving in snow 2.) same drivers believe their AWD is a winter tank.
Their over confidence in their awd is the danger. All seasons can work well enough the problem is those AWD drivers are ignorant of when their AWD is benefiting them. Like in braking the 2wd version of their vehicle will stop the same as awd. Just ask some of these drivers most all I ever talk to think awd helps in stopping and turning. As long as people know that they will drive within their means. Just like a sedan fwd driver that will drive slow the trucks and Subaru’s need to follow suit.
@@mrgreatauk also the video proves they can be a good deal better than summer tires. His winter vs all season videos also show the massive improvement of winters over all season. Summary is summer tires belong in their warmer temps and winters belong in winter temps. All seasons work fine for most of us year round as long as we drive accordingly.
Now we need the 2WD Winter vs 4WD All Season.
Edit: Okay, commented too quick, before finishing the video. There will be a new video! Yay!
love how much fun You have in the circle with stability off! It is very immersive for us!
Looking forward for next one!
Thanks for these winter tests. I really do appreciate the amount of work you put into them.
It's impressive to see the difference ! And as you point in the outro, the summer tyre did a fair job in the snow and was a very strong contender in your summer/everyday tyre review !
From watching these videos and this channel convinced me to fit All Season tyres on my AWD car in prep for this winter in the UK. Keep up the good work!
Loved that you added in the hill braking test to the hill start test. I hate having to explain to people that just because their awd car is quick off the line doesn't mean they don't need good winter tires. Those tests really hammer the point home just how important good tires are. Especially when most winter crashes are low speed pile ups on sloped city streets from people not being able to stop at at the bottom.
Love these, I really appreciate the effort you put into these comparisons. Informative and fun. Can't wait for the 4wd all season vs 2wd winter!
Thanks for watching!
One thing you can see throughout the video is that the summer tire either has no snow or minimal snow on the tred whereas the all season has significantly more which is where you're getting that snow on snow grip which is cool to see in practice.
Been waiting forever for the all season awd vs winter 2wd. This is great to see though :)
I'm someone that drives in snow for fun. But, even with a lot of experience driving other peoples cars -- with all kinds of tires -- to get them unstuck, I was still surprised by how poorly the summer tires did here. Thanks for another educational video. I look forward to the next video in the series.
Great test with an expected result, but it was still fun to watch and see how big the difference was. Looking forward to that next test comparing AWD w/ all seasons vs 2wd w/ winters!
"I'm having a really good day at work" - there is just something special about going sideways in snow, isn't it?!! LOL
I recently put all season tyres on my 14 year old Astra estate based on your first video, this video confirms my decision. Many thanks.
I would like to see in depth review of rwd car with winter tyres, like the Porsche 911 one. A lot of people in Europe are reluctant to buy rwd cars due to winter conditions. But is that only a myth? Can a good winter tyre make a rwd car a reliable car in the snow?
Maybe this can help?
ruclips.net/video/JKBdOE2z4O4/видео.html
I used to own a Megane R26 which i put on winter tyres over the colder months. its amazing where i could get and how many 4x4 drivers i drove past on hills and the grip in braking was amazing. I’m about to fit all season tyres to my 320D X-Drive as a happy medium. (I live on a very steep hill in the very hilly City of Sheffield)
This backs up what I have said all along. Here in Canada we have 4 seasonal ratings for tires. Summer, All Season (M+S), All Weather, and Winter. The latter two have the snowflake over mountain symbol. There are performance criteria for a tire to earn that designation. There are no such criteria for an M+S tire. I always run two sets of tires on my 1990 Volvo 240 Estate. That rear wheel drive car has hauled all wheel drive cars out of ditches often enough I carry a tow rope at all times. Then again, the 240 is the ultimate winter car on my books. We are getting snow here, with 50 cm expected by tomorrow. Old faithful will have no problem.
In my country a good rust proof car is more important in winter because it doesn’t freeze all that much but when it does they coat the roads in a thick layer of salt to the point you’d think it had snowed but it’s just all salt.
The results were pretty much what I expected, but its good to have it confirmed.
Great test!
Great video, pitched just right for me, not too much geek stuff and some excellent practical examples. Subbed.
Love these videos. Always change to winters. Can’t wait to see the winters v all season
I love these vids! I would always have assumed AWD would have the upper hand.
I've just had my winter tyres fitted to my 2wd car, I'm a ready as I can be!!
Thanks for the work, based off another video of yours I fitted Bridgestone all seasons to mine and massively happy with them. At least if it snows I can get home 👍
Glad you like them!
Another excellent video - giving the facts in an accessible way with humour.....sometimes intentional :-) Thanks you are making my mind up on All Season tyres here in Wales.
WOW... I honestly thought the AWD with summer tires would have been better; clearly not the case. Excellent demo, I learned that good tires are CRUCIAL in the snow.
Absolutely. I only run winter tyres 365 in winter on a 2wd will leave my B in law with his land rover freelander and his good car a Land rover evoke looking completely out of their depth v me in my 2wd with snow tyres! Yet he is to stubborn to make the switch. In short you are right tyres are everything!
With any car not on winter tires, the million-dollar question is "will I be able to get up that hill?". On winter tires it's "I KNOW I will get up that hill, but the million-dollar question is "How long will it take me?"
Great video ! Can't wait for the FWD on Winter VS AWD on All Season !!!
I live on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall UK and a couple of years ago I put Michelin cross climate tyres on my Saab 9-5 I use during the winter months only. The difference in snow is amazing - full grip, steering and breaking even on our steep hills when nothing else can move except tractors and Land Rovers. They are expensive but worth it. I use my Saab convertible on summer tyres the rest of the year.
AWD is not better without correct tires. Summer tires are useless in winter, hope this is not news to anyone. I like these tests tho haha
So why feel the need to post what we all know?
Erm that's basically what the video shows :p.
@@mrgreatauk i wrote it before even watching because I know it
@@martinallenuk everyone actually doesn't know it.. you'd be surprised
@@muumuumu well that makes your comment a bit irrelevant then really, doesn't it!
is this why I drive past a lot of 4x4's in ditches the 1st day of snow in the UK?
Pretty much 🤣
That and the simple fact that most drivers are poorly trained, if at all.
A lot of it is down to overconfidence. The 4x4 / AWD system helps these drivers to get moving and they don't realise how slippery it is. Some 4x4 / AWD drivers think they are invincible on snow.
Probably. Many drivers of 4WD's and AWD's seem to forget that the 4WD or AWD system can get them going at highway speeds but does virtually nothing to help them stop. Driving too fast for conditions is one of the biggest causes of accidents, that and distracted driving.
I have the GY Vector4 gen3 on a 4x4 Kadjar. Its the first winter with them on and after the first snow test I am impressed by them. Cant wait to test them again! I would love to see more video tests with this tyres on your channel. Thx!
One of the few videos that I was able to concentrate on what you're saying and not be perplexed by your arms 😱
Excellent work!
Interesting "day at the office" 🍻
Haha, glad you enjoyed it :)
I'm always perplexed by his slim fit jeans... what a pathetic view for a child like me from the 1990s
@@markusweissenbock6337 have you ever been featured on the covers of international mens health and fitness magazines? If not, then I think @jonathan__benson deserves a lot more respect. Mind you, I'm rather "anchient" then, being born in 1979.
Great content. I wish I had started using dedicated summer and winter tires years ago. I always thought it was too expensive, but it really doesn't cost much more when considering the long term cost.
All-season/all-weather terminology confusion leads Americans to think that their all-seasons are perfectly fine in the snow. I appreciate your reminders to American viewers that your results don't apply to all-season tires in the US (yet). This is a sensitive issue for us because the people who race out onto the snow/ice without proper tires and endanger us all do so on (American) all-season tires and think they're just fine in snow.
I plan a full video on the AS vs All WEather subject
Great video, I appreciate the effort.
I'd like to see AWD All-season vs FWD Winter. Good video as always
I need to see a comparison of Axis vs Soviet tracked vehicles, next. With Summer tank treads.
That would be EPIC
A great one as always!
Always puts a smile on my face, driving past stuck landrovers and range rovers on these low profile summer tyres.
Great job, as usual!
This pleases me, I'm just about to put the Cargo version of these all season tyres on my campervan
Thanks for your work! I love your videos.
It would be interesting to see the *cheapest* winter tires vs. all season.
All season would win a full test if not in the snow
That video s worth milions of likes. Thank you very much for it.
Great test! Thanks.
Perfect and clear review, thank you.
Superb video !! Keep it up bro !!
hey, really looking forward to the next video. That is what I have been waiting for as I am waiting to fit some AS (latest goodyears, your recommendation) to my dads civic. Also. What a cracking video this one is.
Thank you!
Great Video! Keep them coming
Great video, tyres are your contact with the road and you should always pick the most suitable one. I had a recent incident when the road I planned to drive on was reported as closed due to snow, however when I got near to it, it was reported as being open and as I started to drive on it I saw no road closed sign.
The road goes over a biggish pennine hill where on a clear day you can see about 50 miles, it had been snowing and I was a Renault Scenic 2.0l diesel 2wd car with normal road tyres that happen to have a lot of grip across the tyre with no solid rings of rubber around the tyre. I drove carefully using a high as gear possible and passed loads of stuck cars including several 4 x 4's, I managed to drive around these cars and as I came down the other side I came across a Policeman with his back to me blocking the road. He asked how I had managed to get over the hill and was my car 4wd.
A few winters later I am in a Ford Focus with tyres that had solid rings of rubber around the tyre with no cross grips, the first bit of snow it came to it flatly refused to get any traction resulting in me being stuck.
That was very, very interesting as well as entertaining
That is the best channel on youtube.
That was unbelievable. A mini cooper s... with no front grab handles! Cheap *******. Great video keep it up!
So close to what I want to see.
Please do 2 wheel Winter tires vs. 4 wheel All weather or All Season Tires. The point being that 2wd with Winter Tires is better than 4 wheel drive with AS tires.
Made it to the end of the video, yes, can't wait!
Great review
As always good review I’ve got the vector 4seasons gen3 on my Audi A4 can’t fault them although not had snow yet !!! Feel very good in the wet and have the gen 2 on the back so all round good year tyres get 👍 from me !!
Your videos are so entertaining, it doesn't matter if you want to buy new tyres or not.
Thank you :D
Fantastic investigation (but a somewhat predictable outcome)! Great drone shots.
Very interesant comparative. In Spain people continue saying that it is no necesary winter tyres.... So if we have 5 centimetres of snow, the traffic stop.
Two things...One I have these all seasons today we had some snow (5 cm where I live) in The Netherlands. Over here all roads areback to treated with salt before the snow falls, then when it gets intense they have these huge shovels to get snow off the road also our I guess famous bike lanes. But there are always roads that are not treated so I look these up to test the tires. Also I live 15 km in land where it tends to be colder, so over here it was dry snow. 5 km from the coast it was a little warmer so there was more slush on the roads. I drove 50-70 km/h and than breaking...The car is absolutely stable. On the deep slush though you feel the ABS working but on the dry snow not at all.
Second point is that when I first started to buy allseasons in november 2010 we already had a lot of very dry snow on the ground and falling. I had to go on my summers under my new car. Since it was so cold and snowy I had to drive 60 km to get allseasons (Vredestein Quatrac3). So just before I was at the shop I took the wrong, untreated road....And it was almost a disaster. All cars on both sides of the road and I could not turn. Fortunately there was a parking lot where I could turn. After they mounted these 4season Quatracs I went immediately back to that same road. Just zero problems. A month later the situatiion had changed and we needed to drive to Denmark. So that was 700 km. Where I lived we had 30 cm of snow and that remained unchanged all the way. IN DK and NL the roads are well treated, but in Germany one side of the road wasn't...And some people drove very slowly. So with 100 km.h I went to the left lane because others did so too. And it was again just no problem at all.
These Goodyears are clearly better, I already used them last week when we took a small short trip to the hills (700 m max) with 40 cm of snow. From that highplane (Hoge Venen in the belgian Eifel) we went into the valleys...Steep hills etcetc. Zero problems, everything went just fine. I think for people living in a climate with a changable wintersnowcover like we have in The Netherlands, Germany and Denmark for instance these tires to my mind are ideal. If you have 3-4 months with continuous snowcover wintertres are not much better, but better still.
Very good video ! Great lesson! I m shocked :)
What I would love to see in a comparison would be a all-wheel drive with all season tires versus a front wheel drive with winter tires or even studded tires as well. I feel like that would be a better example of comparing the all-wheel drive versus front-wheel drive in the snow. Because of the All season tire can come out ahead due to the all-wheel drive system. Then it would prove that it's worth the extra cost to have an all-wheel drive or wheel drive implementation
Please note that the term All Season tires in the US and EU is completely different. As noted in the title of the video those are All Weather tires rated for severe winter service. All Season tires in the US are rated only M+S and are mostly worthless on snow and ice.
Brilliant informative Video :-) , always look at Tyre Reviews before I make a choice. Just purchased some All seasons after been caught out with our recent snow in South Yorkshire, decent 3-4" snow fall whilst at work, nearly didnt get home. Not be caught out next time. Just hope we get some more so I can test them out :-)
Great video.
Great as always :)
You know what you should also test ? Semi-truck and coach tires, there's no real test of how each one performs ;)
Plus drifting those thing on snow should be fun xD
I cannot wait for comparison: FWD equipped with winter tyres vs AWD with all-season tyres (with both AWD and FWD configurations if possible). Cheers
Good test as always, and look forward to the next. What would be ace to see is more summer vs. winter tyre testing in
It's sadly really tricky to test cool as you often get rained off
@@tyrereviews Rained off (wet) is the idea! I appreciate it could be hard to do with any consistency either way. 👍
Best in-car driver footage ever.
During the winter, I find more 4wd vehicles in the ditch because they can go ok, but can't stop or turn.
Hi Everybody, fully agree with previous comment! I already bought a set of GY V4 G3, based on the reviews in TR, thank you Man!
Please make comparison of AS tyres on 2 cars, both 4x4.
Today we have our 1-st snow in BG, and I tested it on very wet snow. Good traction, average cornering and pure braking on wet snow. 235/45/18 on Skoda Superb 4x4.
Thank You TR, You are doing great job!
Glad you like htem :)
I'd prefer to see all-season on the AWD and snows on the FWD. Makes much more sense.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Other people have mentioned it but I think your onscreen info seems to be incorrect. It had me pretty confused for awhile
Can't wait for the 4wd on all seasons and 2wd on winter tires!
Thanks 4 your infos!!! Best to know living at 1800 meters!!!
I'd love to see FWD Vs Rwd all seasons or winters 😬
Rwd will be in the ditch ☠️
Would be the same result it's lways the tyres that count.
Wait like identical tires but FWD vs RWD?
I think the next video will be the one that tells the tale. Frankly, if you are driving in winter conditions on summers you should expect nothing but terrible performance and possibly a crash. Like that one guy that wears shorts all winter in cold climates, I think summers in the snow speaks more to the owner than the technology.
Got a bit confused as to which car was which at first because it said on screen AWD AS and FWD SUM...
I’d love to see the ranking for 6 different combinations: 3 2WD & 3 4WD, and summer, all-season and winter tyres and all six combinations in the dry, in the wet and on snow. That would be a big test to organise but a very interesting one.
Awesome videos! Tires are so important
I think it would be interesting to see a base line test with these two vehicles on the same all season tires.
I can pretty confidently tell you the results without the test. Acceleration will be faster in the AWD. Slope climb will be far more possible in AWD. Braking and Cornering will be the same in both vehicles. Lap times will go to the AWD mostly due to off the line acceleration.
@@45eno You may find a base line comparison more revealing that you may suspect. Knowing where and how these two vehicles react under identical circumstances would certainly highlight the advantages of the change in circumstances. I suspect the differences are a bit more than you may imagine.
Perhaps this isn't the type of testing for Tyre Reviews.
I'm sold. Next tyre change it's all seasons for me, assuming I can find a brand that does my combination of sizes - that seems to be the biggest challenge at the moment.
The lateral test is really interesting as it shows the difference between grip and traction. REALLY interesting actually. Can't quite get my head around it.
Awww mate, how cold do you look at the start. Haha, id love your job. Great video🥶
Many retakes :(
In Canada you see way more all wheel drive vehicles upside down in winter than two wheel drive vehicles. Also all wheel drive owners more often run all season tires, saying ( I have all wheel drive I don’t need winter tires) They should carve that into they’re headstone!
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I know you mentioned a forthcoming test with FWD with winter tires vs. AWD with all season tires. Can’t wait for it. As a bonus, would you please show what the “ultimate” setup is capable of? (AWD fitted with winter tires). I think it would also be valuable information to have. Thanks
The allweather ones was so much better, on that short distance of accleration. If it was a dragrace that would be a big win.
Due to korona... i am still on my summer tires (winters are sitting at the grandparents house and they dont want us visiting...).
So today, with the first snowfall here, i was sliding all around the place... Now i am looking for a hasmat suit to go get my winters :)
Would love to see a a comparsion of brand new Winter tyre and half worn winter tyre under 3 - 4 mm of tread at 4WD :)
Great video as always. I've been waiting for a video on 4X4 winter tyres vs 4X4 summer tyres. The result is obvious for most technically inclined people like ourselves but some viewers may not be so knowledgable and even with 4X4 may seek to drive in the snow with Standard tyres. Is this a video you could do?
I’m interested to hear some myth busting on snow and ice whether to go, high tyres pressure for the pizza cutter effect, or low like the Arctic trucks
Nobody ever Tire tests/compares full, 50% tread or min tread. I'd like to see tread depth added to the testing matrix. Thanks for videos
Going to buy them goodyear what a tire 🙌
Brilliant content, so far this series of videos has shown 2WD car owners don't need to envy AWD cars too much if they have winter or all season tyres fitted. Can't wait for the next test to see how AWD manages with all season tyres. How does the wear rate of all season tyres compare to summer tyres?