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Watched quite a few of your vids and love it so far; I subbed. EDIT: 18 :10 Have to say that's a bad take; choosing life is good, even in Hector's case, it's the human thing to do.
Everybody wants to be an Isaac, but most of us are Hectors. When he said he just wanted to be left alone to read and make things. I felt that on a molecular level.
When we see Hector stare into the fire, the first thing we hear is his mother telling him that they never wanted him. So he spends his childhood creating abominations that are unnaturally bonded to him so that they have no choice but to want him and be loyal to him. His goal, subconsciously, is to be wanted. He joins Dracula because Dracula wants him. And Hector really likes to be wanted, and he tries a few times to be friends with Isaac only to be dismissed. He doesn't really care about rallying the humans because he doesn't care for it when Carmilla makes it her goal, and drops it when Isaac tells him to. So when Carmilla wants him, he feels compelled to stay with her, even if he doesn't care about her goal per se. This is why Lenore is so effective, because she wants Hector, and Hector wants to be wanted. Unlike Carmilla and Dracula, all of her praises are towards Hector as an individual, whereas the others praise his forging; she never compliments him on his forging. In a twist of fate, Hector gets a ring on his finger that creates an unnatural bond of loyalty from him to Lenore, the same way he had with his night creatures and what he wanted for humanity. Ironically, Hector actually found what he was always looking for in Lenore, someone who actually wants him and chooses to spend all her free time with him. His cutting off the ring is a recognition that these bonds are wrong. At the same time, when he finally answers the question "What do you want?" for the 5th time, he is finally able to express that he just wants Lenore, the person who wanted him; he clearly doesn't care for shoes or to be let out because when he's free, he chooses to stay with Lenore, not run away. In the finale, we see that Lenore recognizes her existence is unnatural and an abomination of who she is. Hector, finally having grown, is finally able to let go and not hold on to something unnaturally like with his night creatures, and instead chooses to keep her with him through a book in her memory, a much healthier choice. A more immature Hector would have tried to keep her, the one being that wanted Hector. That's why Lenore's final words are that Hector is a silly man, not the "boy who had his woodland creatures taken from him" per Carmilla, and reflects his own growth.
Honestly I still feel that some people don't understand Lenore's reason to die and Hector allowing it to happen. Lenore said that vampires always refuse change and that she has no purpose. She felt like a prisoner for Isaac even though she was allowed to live and no offer would change her perspective. Hector allowing her to die shows that he is no longer clinging to life like a child and accepts her death. Like you said, Hector does not like the fact that she chooses to die but now shows that he can't change things and is willing to move on. If Hector tries to prevent her suicide then that shows that he has not changed at all and still clings to life like he did in season 1.
I agree with half of it. Hector's letting go of Lenore is a strong part of his growing up, but she chose to end it because it was power that ruined her life, and she realized that she, like Carmilla, crave strength but will eventually crave power. That's why his memorializing her in a book, or as she is now, is a much nicer and healthier way to keep things he wants close to him. It's a nice tribute to Lenore too.
I half agree. I think his quest wasn't so much about clinging to life vs accepting death, but more about the value of self determination. In the beginning he was willing to help Drac and then Carmilla treat humans like caged cattle, but in the end he let Lenore go because he understood that it was her choice, something he had no right to take from her or anyone else.
Thinking about Hector, I can't help thinking about the difference between his and Isaac's forging tools and how they might reflect the difference between them. Isaac wields a knife, which makes his method quick, efficient, and capable of being used on the fly. It's the tool of a warrior, but also a conqueror as we see him turn enemies to his side through its use. The Captain saw right through him, huh? For Hector though, he uses a hammer. While in the right hands a hammer can also be quick, Hector uses his to build up night creatures slowly from the ground up, taking his time and indulging in the process. His actions are measured, but he needs the time to go through the process. He's an artisan. Even the best artisan with all the finest tools will fail if that given the time to use them right. That's why I see him failing so spectacularly when forced onto Carmilla's and Lenore's timetables, while pulling off such a remarkable end game moves once they've finally had their way and are giving him time to breathe. His greatest tool is his mind, and even using that requires some time to go through his process. Unfortunately, the "tortured artist" traits also make him a bit of a woobie, which I suspect is part of what both draws and repels fans where he's concerned.
My favorite thing about Hector/Issac was the non stop subtle parallels between them, best one was at end of S2 when Issac led the lead bandit now turned night creature on a rope around his neck, it wasn't necessary since night creatures are loyal to their forge masters. Of course cut to Hector being led to Styria on a leash. One who handles his own fate with malice towards humanity. The other overly trusting and blindly handing themselves to vampires.
I see Hector as a man who hates stupid humans. He's down, I just know it's hard to kill my fellow Americans; as a veteran. In Mexico and Hawaii, where there's a majority of my brown brothers lol, we teach people a lesson without fear of the law. We know we're right. Still, I'd never serve Carmilla. The American law and the California people are with me. Just hate blinds us, we need a level head to win a war; like an Army sergeant. I just love how he's still down for Isaac at the end. It's best to see an old sergeant friend
here i am, i said i'd be here. My boy Hector. Pat pat. I love game Hector, but I also love show Hector, not despite of, but BECAUSE of their differences. This was a nice breakdown. I think one of the reason I enjoyed show-Hector while a lot of people didn't is..mainly because I really wanted to see where he'd go. I DID identify with Hector and Issac on different things. Hector in his somewhat stunted growth and his general desire to be accepted. I honestly think it was done well, I enjoyed his arc (even though I know a lot of people didn't, especially upon first viewing) but those that can relate--or were supposed to--certainly did. At least, in my case.
I told you it was coming my boy(pause) lol but yea I respect that & agree on your perspective. By doing an overview and trying to figure his character our I realized like all the other characters that it was Warren Ellis' plan to make him relatable to certain men. I'm still opposed to his arc mainly because I could never see myself acting in the manner that he did the same way I could never see myself acting like Trevor when it comes to bowing down to Sypha. Yet, it doesn't mean I don't see the value in the contrast between him and Isaac's development.
lol, I'm here I promised! Now I'm stoked to see what you have coming up the rest of the way. It's also really interesting to see how the perspective and experiences of people can change or influence the way they perceive and understand a character. I had a lot of trouble connecting to some characters--ironically, like Trevor. I like him as a character but I struggled to understand the choices he made and why. Your breakdown for him was really interesting in that regard because I felt like 'Oh, yeah thats a good point'. Now all you need is to give me a Laurence the First Vicar breakdown. (joking, but still)
It seems like they literally gave Isaac all of Hector's responsibility from the game. Game Hector with Crispin Freeman was so POWERFUL just by seeing and hearing him in the very first scene. You know Game Hector is no pushover. Hector at full power could rival that of Death.
Hector and Isaac's characters were so severely altered, they may as well have been Warren's OC inserts. I can never reconcile this Hector with his original counterpart as the real Hector actually chose to abandon Dracula. He actually had a wife that loved and accepted him. When she wss killed, he limited his vengeance to the ones responsible, like Isaac. Like you said, his game counterpart was no pushover nor was he some woman's doormat. Something this show's writer and Netflix did on purpose.
Hector as Isaac is so much deep and flesh out in the show. Because in the games basically he is the "cold badass terminator" stereotype hero. But in the show Hector is someone who suffers, doubts and like Isaac has a trauma that must endure and overcome to be a better person. Both of them took Dracula as a father figure, in the case of Isaac was anger a revenge that leads him to be almost a fanatic but Hector path is different, he paid for being a traitor but his true journey is to just himself, not a tool. Both character's arc ended in a similar way butwith a different path to walk. I understand many people can see Isaac as the MVP, and Hector like a "b*tch", always under the control of someone. But his change is from the inside, and that is cool to see too.
I actually didn't mind what they did with hector's character in season 3. It made complete and total sense from a psychological pov that hector would subconsciously fall back into the same pattern. And each of his perpetrators was more subtle in their manipulations than the previous. It just made sense to me. The beginning of season 3 showed him at least attempting to break the cycle, (considering it was about a 1st try, a relapse back into the habit was almost completely expected) and season 4 had him actually break it. It was done well in my opinion. But meh, that's just me.
Personally I didn't like it because Hector had all the potential to be as iconic as Isaac became through character development. Yet I do agree that the progression of him recognizing a bad habit, trying to break the habit through trial & error, then successfully making a shift for the better.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 lol I mean I'm a celibate philosopher so I think the fucked up past is helping the deepen the strive for knowledge (also my mommy issues are not at all traumatic it's more of like traumatic brain injuries that then resulted in a a personality shift and my parents delt with that personality, and now it seems I'm either back to what I was before brain surgery or am entirely new.
I respect that & thank you for the deeper explanation on your personality type. It's not necessarily a slight on my end to people who can relate to Hector. I beleive most men have a varying degree of mommy issues in contrast to women having daddy issues. I just know that I would not find myself performing the same acts. Too much pride I guess lol
@@KaizokuSleven that's fair and I honestly hope I'm not as bad of a simp as Hector. And sense I don't seek out sex or even dating I'm just a simp for human connection lol
I relate 100% with Hector throughout the series. As someone who grew up with helicopter parents who heavily valued success and drive, that obsession for “worthiness” manifested in me and it becomes all consuming. You’d be willing to do anything, say anything, even think anything if it just meant you had the approval of those you viewed as superior, which usually appears to be mostly anyone. Loyalty became a virtue to live by, and shame between each other is nonexistent. Fortunately, after a series of traumatic events, I’ve somewhat grown past my blind trust just as Hector has in order to forge my own path, but I won’t lie when I say my nature can probably still easily compel me; I haven’t truly changed, I’ve just gotten better at choosing my “masters”, choosing who to look up to, and discerning whether or not someone’s character deserves my loyalty.
@@KaizokuSleven I felt like I had to since you mentioned you didn't relate to him at all, and so you had to take the time to really sit down and dissect the character. That can be hard to do for someone who comes from the complete opposite walk of life.
Oh man. You are me. I'm just starting to make the journey to becoming a human with dignity and a sense of his own agency in the world. The thing is that people hate it when you start leaving pet mode because all of a sudden they can't control you and now you're a threat. Stay on your path and I'll try my hardest to stay on mine and hopefully we'll both be OK eventually.
I get the impression that Hector is a victim of the showrunners not respecting a character from the original series. Grant is the most extreme example of this, as he was completely cut out of the series, probably to make the main cast a trio.
YUP! A dumb move as well because he's like the 2nd coming of Alucard in the games. They likely cut out Grant so there wouldn't be any conflict amongst the protagonist since he was in love with Sypha.
Yesssir you delivered on this one. Amazing breakdown and analysis of Hector. Love your videos and always looking forward to your content. Keep up the great work 🤴🏾 👑 King
I really did enjoy Hector as a character but I still blame season 3 for almost ruining his character in my opinion. In season 3, he kinda felt a little irrelevant and his story started to become less interesting. But I felt season 4 fix some problems that I had with the character. I still feel it would’ve been interesting and fun, if Hector join Isaac to fight Carmilla side by side.
@@KaizokuSleven hectors not a fighter. that's clearly shown but he shows his usefulness in other ways. i think both hector and Issac's styles are represented with the tools they use for forging. a hammed is more a tool than a knife for example. hector knows what he can do by s4 and it shows by helping Issac. there was a couple of instances where he showed some fight. but also shown in those instances he didn't get far so he put his greatest tool to use. his mind.
Im giving my support to Hector here. Despite his flaws and we all have them including characters in anime I fully support and loved Hector. Yeah I was hoping to enjoy the video but this dissing on Hector it's a no for me.
Warren Ellis treated Hector the way he did for a couple reasons. Because Alucard and Hector were Adi’s favorite characters, when the two had their falling out, Ellis had even more drive to treat Hector (and Alucard with how Season 3 ended) the way he did just to get back at Adi Shankar. And the other reason, which was discussed in an interview on TheVerge. I’ll just quote the question and Ellis’ answer: Taken from theVerge’s article. “Warren Ellis wrote Castlevania season 3 in a ‘rapture of mad power’/ also why he still won’t play the games. By Adi Robertson” -Interviewer: “Is Hector ever going to catch a break?” -Ellis: “Not on my watch! Sorry, I didn’t say that. It’s terrible, because [voice actor] Theo James, he’s got a big resonant heroic voice that immediately makes me hate him. But also, he does this thing where he can let little cracks of insecurity and vulnerability into his voice, which fascinated me. The confluence of these two things meant I had immense fun just torturing the poor guy.” And with Ellis…problems, I’m not surprised that Lenore showed up either. They did make changes to Hector’s upbringing too mainly the fact that in the games, Hector has been in Dracula’s service since Childhood (after his animal summons told Hector were to find Dracula and set the local church on fire to allow him to run to Dracula’s Castle, of course meeting up with Isaac on the way there) and up until he took the opportunity to run after he was sent out by Dracula to assassinate Trevor. And I’m glad Lenore’s dead, the Simp brigade can stay mad at me about it
That's really interesting I was not aware of that & it literally validates my suspicion that Hector was a sacrificial lamb when it came to character development. That's pretty F'ed up what he did. & YES! I'm glad she's dead too lol
@@KaizokuSleven Yeah I guess they needed at least one lamb to throw into the fire lol. I didn’t really like Ellis all too much so his interviews and how he treated the fans of the games gave me more of a reason to be very very wary of the show.
@@KaizokuSleven yeah, a lot of stuff they gave Issac was actually Hector's stuff. IMO Castlevania was pretty good until it got to Curse of Darkness content. they had all the pieces to make a really adaption while having have room to improve and flesh out characters. (We do eventually find out Issac is also sympathetic in the game and is just being taken advantage of as much as everyone else). But the absolute character assassination they did to St. Germain and Hector is inexcusable. I don't mind them fleshing Issac out and changing his ending, but the way they went about it just makes me mad.
@@justacatwithasadface2692 Very much so. Not only did he do all of this, but he seemed to have fun mocking the OG fans as well. The Deats bros did the same sometime during the beginning of September.
I don't(feel for him 100%), when someone continues to make the same mistake over and over at some point they need to grow up and take personal accountability.
@@KaizokuSleven Some people are not good at reading others and understanding their motives, especially if they are on the autistic spectrum. It'll always be much harder for them to read and predict intentions. He's a gentle soul and also grew up very isolated, so he both lacks malice and practice of reading motives. I like him, in a I want to hug him and keep him safe way, because he is why humanity should be more humane. He's sweet, innocent and vulnerable, the kind of person who should be protected not abused. But, of course, the world being what it is, abuse is pretty much all he knows because humanity (and vampires) very much sucks.
its so interesting to see how many men specifically do not like hector, some outright insulting or belittling him. I have always seen him and Isaac as parallels of one another, both tackling the themes of having control over your life and the results of not having one in very different yet similar fashion. I honestly saw Hector as a victim through and through, a kind soul that seeks validation and love in all the wrong places, like a moth that clings to the only available source of warmth, burning itself as a result. I was a lot more sympathetic to his struggles bcos i knew so many Hectors. He is very vulnerable with his need for love, he kinda wears his biggest "flaw" right up his sleeve and this is what power hungry individuals see right away, like Carmilla or Lenor. Which he is punished for several times during the series, but still manages to regain control over himself and his life. Yes his story is not as empowering as Isaac's, but it doesnt need to be, his change is a lot more subtle and realistic i feel like. You cant erase the traumatic experiences of your most fundamental years and the coping mechanisms you developed to combat them on a whim. I also liked the relationship between Hector and Lenore, i dont really see this kind of dynamic between heterosexual couples anywhere in fiction, at least not to the same extent. Him letting her go is the symbol of him being finally freed and starting to cave his own path with Isaac His archetype could have been executed better, but i feel like, with the type of character he is fundamentally he will always attract somewhat of a disdain from others
I could not agree more with this assessment. and I do find that his and lenore's relationship was quite fitting for the character they built for hector and I liked ultimately how it turned out. I think the want for hector to just be this badass would take away from the nuance of the character.
I agree with your assessment and hoped that what this character analysis conveyed from my perspective. That although I initially detested his core character but once I started to look deeper into why he acts the way he does? It would help me acknowledge and understand him more. My only gripe with the Hector in the show is that it takes away from his ability to defend himself effectively when he needs to like in the games. Because he very much had the same empathetic attitude in the game only he wasn't a push over when his back was against the wall.
Very well said! On top of that, he never really developed the ability to read people, maybe due to being so isolated all the time or maybe leaning on being somewhat autistic. He's book smart, but lacks people skills and that's how he ends up being so easily manipulated. He has no malice and so cannot see it in others. Which is interesting, considering he's fine with killing and caging most humans. His journey is learning the value of being free to make one's own choices, so he let's Lenore go because it's her choice and it's not up to him to decide for her. Many men hate him and characters like him, that they consider weak, because they feel threatened. They suffer from toxic masculinity and cannot, do not want to be confronted by the idea that men can be weak, that they can be and probably are weak in some way. It challenges their fantasy that men are strong and that's all they can be, so as to not contradict that idea, they'll try to dismiss him from the male category.
Mind you he did that for like 2 seasons in terms of masking his intent until ready to strike and Issac shows up and finishes carmilla if not for hector dragging it out for so long and being in contact with others loyal to Dracula's court it wasn't in a way hard to see how easy it was story wise to over throw carmilla and even gave death his avenue to further his own background ploy but that's spoilers
I think, the reason why Hector is not a badass, is to contrast with Issac. They gave Hector more emphasis on his empathies and heart to contrast with Issac's zealotry and hatred to humanity. Where Issac wanted people to suffer (and thus is highly militant), Hector really didn't *hate* anyone in Season 2. Not even humans, not like Issac. Without that hate or anger, why harm them? Hector doesn't fight, because it'd steal away from his emotional character. A character I think is useful in highlighting the nuances of Dracula and his council, and eventually the vampires of Styria. His calmer demeanor, his tendency to talk things over, and become emotional about a topic lets us the audience see other sides of both groups. Not unlike Sypha who serves this less martial, more emotional ethical voice to the heroes, and Lenore who is a foil to Hector.
I love the game adaptation of Hector as he overcomes challenges and seeks out revenge but chooses to queil his anger and hatred through redeeming himself by freeing his past issues with Dracula by slaying him once again, the show verson of him also has him grow and experience growth of the mind and intent of free will toward his creative mindset of isolation but having connections with others wanting to read and make new inventions.
Good stuff Isaac is still my favorite but I like how Hector was not outright dangerous in the show. He is one of the few charters like this In many shows.
Yea man, for the life of me it got on my last nerve watching his arc but I understand why Warren Ellis did it. As you can see, there seem to be a lot of sympathetic fans of his character in the show.
Appreciate your words & dang JUST yesterday?? lol j/k better than never , I'll try to keep pumping consistent quality content out here & hopefully I'll gain the algorithms favor lol
Thanks to this video. It's now my headcanon that Curse of Darkness is actually the book show Hector wrote. This is why he's a badass in it. Actually he probably wrote the whole game series. And that's why Camilla is naked.
I really didn't like what they did to Hector in the Netflix show. I really wished they made him more like the games. He was just way too passive for me in the show, especially when compared to Curse of Darkness.
Behind every single Ultimate Femi-NZi Karen (Camilia) , there has an innocently naive über-simp proto-Omega/Beta male thriving aimlessly in the shadows (Hector) . (I am not fond of pseudo-psychology and this whole "alpha-beta-blah-blah-sigma-omega" spectrum, but I do suspect this construct applies better in some fiction works.) Edit: @15:55 to @16:04 This caught me off-guard. LMAO! 🤣🤣
I with you, all those alphanumeric personality traits I honestly think everyone has a bit of each in them but it's a good use for character creation process. Listen that 1 scene from Troy is all I thought about after watching season 3 😂
@@KaizokuSleven That's exactly what I thought! In real life, everyone has varying degrees of these traits in regard to their choices, interactions, relational dynamics, profession, et cetera. Nevertheless, it remains so easy to apply this spectrum onto fictional characters.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 100% it very similar with the traits associated with astrological signs. There are some truths to those personalities but anyone can tap into their inner Taurus while being a Libra or whatever these people like to say lol
@@KaizokuSleven if you catch yourself playin anymore dark fantasy games, I'd love to here it. it could dark souls or anything. I enjoy character breakdowns.
@@ruminator3570 I've been anticipating on doing that after I finish the Netflix Character Analysis series. But I am not sure if people are willing to watch if I make gaming video essays(which I REALLY want to do as well).
And I know cuz of ks1 lol. 🤙. Bra, everyone calls me Trevor around mt shasta; the Belle Monte. When I woke up almost screaming of my dream that I was Hector....dude, you helped me realize because I had started talking to a Lenore. I realized tonight. Be my Isaac, I'll tell you everything because you won't bring Dracula back. Aloha ✌️
Gotta rewatch like all your castlevanias. Ty ks. I woke up crying after dreaming I was Hector. I'm a f-ing Belmont! But I've been dealing with kkk in my town and insurrectionists Confederates. I know it messes with your mind after months of investigative journalism. Keep these coming ks. I'll comment more asap. ✌️. Have you done Sypha yet? She got the most beautiful voice
@@KaizokuSlevendamn right he wasn’t boring action wise. In most of the cutscenes from the game he’s going bare knuckle fisty cuffs. And dont even get me started on all the badass weapons like the dragonslayer, a mini-gun, an electric guitar, a friggin laser sword and death’s scythe! Sorry im a big fan of curse of darkness and personally i feel like they did him super dirty in the show. Kind of wish that after season 2 he escaped carmilla’s clutches and has kind of a parallel story to issacs were he litterally has nothing and becomes the badass we see in the game.
No I didn’t like hector, he didn’t really grow and just got used by everyone until they got tired of him. Then he put on his stupid woe is me I got used act and continued to be used again. He was just overly naive even when it made no sense for him to be repeating his mistakes. I’ve only seen the animated version and I have to say I was not fond of him at all.
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EDIT: 18 :10 Have to say that's a bad take; choosing life is good, even in Hector's case, it's the human thing to do.
Everybody wants to be an Isaac, but most of us are Hectors. When he said he just wanted to be left alone to read and make things. I felt that on a molecular level.
I agree
Pfft, speak for yourself.
I mean, it's true for me, but I can't speak for anybody else
When we see Hector stare into the fire, the first thing we hear is his mother telling him that they never wanted him. So he spends his childhood creating abominations that are unnaturally bonded to him so that they have no choice but to want him and be loyal to him. His goal, subconsciously, is to be wanted.
He joins Dracula because Dracula wants him. And Hector really likes to be wanted, and he tries a few times to be friends with Isaac only to be dismissed. He doesn't really care about rallying the humans because he doesn't care for it when Carmilla makes it her goal, and drops it when Isaac tells him to. So when Carmilla wants him, he feels compelled to stay with her, even if he doesn't care about her goal per se.
This is why Lenore is so effective, because she wants Hector, and Hector wants to be wanted. Unlike Carmilla and Dracula, all of her praises are towards Hector as an individual, whereas the others praise his forging; she never compliments him on his forging.
In a twist of fate, Hector gets a ring on his finger that creates an unnatural bond of loyalty from him to Lenore, the same way he had with his night creatures and what he wanted for humanity. Ironically, Hector actually found what he was always looking for in Lenore, someone who actually wants him and chooses to spend all her free time with him. His cutting off the ring is a recognition that these bonds are wrong. At the same time, when he finally answers the question "What do you want?" for the 5th time, he is finally able to express that he just wants Lenore, the person who wanted him; he clearly doesn't care for shoes or to be let out because when he's free, he chooses to stay with Lenore, not run away.
In the finale, we see that Lenore recognizes her existence is unnatural and an abomination of who she is. Hector, finally having grown, is finally able to let go and not hold on to something unnaturally like with his night creatures, and instead chooses to keep her with him through a book in her memory, a much healthier choice. A more immature Hector would have tried to keep her, the one being that wanted Hector. That's why Lenore's final words are that Hector is a silly man, not the "boy who had his woodland creatures taken from him" per Carmilla, and reflects his own growth.
Nailed it!
Saved me 20 minutes
Nailed it!
I think he was very sneaky too. And smart. Soft but also brave in his own right.
For sure & I also think it was a bit of luck to have been able to survived 3 fatal instances of the same mistake to conquer his weakness.
He seems a reasonable and pleasant personality, also not as cynical as some of the other characters
Honestly I still feel that some people don't understand Lenore's reason to die and Hector allowing it to happen. Lenore said that vampires always refuse change and that she has no purpose. She felt like a prisoner for Isaac even though she was allowed to live and no offer would change her perspective. Hector allowing her to die shows that he is no longer clinging to life like a child and accepts her death. Like you said, Hector does not like the fact that she chooses to die but now shows that he can't change things and is willing to move on.
If Hector tries to prevent her suicide then that shows that he has not changed at all and still clings to life like he did in season 1.
I agree with half of it. Hector's letting go of Lenore is a strong part of his growing up, but she chose to end it because it was power that ruined her life, and she realized that she, like Carmilla, crave strength but will eventually crave power. That's why his memorializing her in a book, or as she is now, is a much nicer and healthier way to keep things he wants close to him. It's a nice tribute to Lenore too.
I half agree. I think his quest wasn't so much about clinging to life vs accepting death, but more about the value of self determination. In the beginning he was willing to help Drac and then Carmilla treat humans like caged cattle, but in the end he let Lenore go because he understood that it was her choice, something he had no right to take from her or anyone else.
Hector just gets gaslighted plane and simple. Guy needs a hug
Definitely needs more than that. My man got some and still had to needed a therapy session from Issac lol
Honestly hector's story is terrifying in so many ways. Honestly I'm seeing parallels between Hector and Denji of Chainsaw man of all things.
I haven't read Chainsaw Man yet but I want to get to it soon after reading Vagabon & Vinland Saga
@@KaizokuSleven I'm only going of off cultural osmosis for my understanding just a heads up.
Thinking about Hector, I can't help thinking about the difference between his and Isaac's forging tools and how they might reflect the difference between them. Isaac wields a knife, which makes his method quick, efficient, and capable of being used on the fly. It's the tool of a warrior, but also a conqueror as we see him turn enemies to his side through its use. The Captain saw right through him, huh?
For Hector though, he uses a hammer. While in the right hands a hammer can also be quick, Hector uses his to build up night creatures slowly from the ground up, taking his time and indulging in the process. His actions are measured, but he needs the time to go through the process. He's an artisan. Even the best artisan with all the finest tools will fail if that given the time to use them right. That's why I see him failing so spectacularly when forced onto Carmilla's and Lenore's timetables, while pulling off such a remarkable end game moves once they've finally had their way and are giving him time to breathe. His greatest tool is his mind, and even using that requires some time to go through his process.
Unfortunately, the "tortured artist" traits also make him a bit of a woobie, which I suspect is part of what both draws and repels fans where he's concerned.
Agreed & nice analysis of the differences between these 2 forgemasters.
ironically Hector broke the vicious circle he was in, while Lenor didn't have the guts to face her new reality.
My favorite thing about Hector/Issac was the non stop subtle parallels between them, best one was at end of S2 when Issac led the lead bandit now turned night creature on a rope around his neck, it wasn't necessary since night creatures are loyal to their forge masters. Of course cut to Hector being led to Styria on a leash.
One who handles his own fate with malice towards humanity.
The other overly trusting and blindly handing themselves to vampires.
YES, someone saw it besides me. Did you also pick up how Carmilla was wearing his boots when they arrived at Styria?
@@KaizokuSleven no I did not! Only that he was barefooted
@@iceheart1289 Yea I missed it the 1st time around but when watching the 3rd season again I saw that little detail and was like 😲
I see Hector as a man who hates stupid humans. He's down, I just know it's hard to kill my fellow Americans; as a veteran. In Mexico and Hawaii, where there's a majority of my brown brothers lol, we teach people a lesson without fear of the law. We know we're right. Still, I'd never serve Carmilla. The American law and the California people are with me. Just hate blinds us, we need a level head to win a war; like an Army sergeant. I just love how he's still down for Isaac at the end. It's best to see an old sergeant friend
@@KaizokuSleven I didn't catch that!!!
Old girl stole his biscuits!!!
here i am, i said i'd be here.
My boy Hector. Pat pat.
I love game Hector, but I also love show Hector, not despite of, but BECAUSE of their differences. This was a nice breakdown.
I think one of the reason I enjoyed show-Hector while a lot of people didn't is..mainly because I really wanted to see where he'd go. I DID identify with Hector and Issac on different things. Hector in his somewhat stunted growth and his general desire to be accepted. I honestly think it was done well, I enjoyed his arc (even though I know a lot of people didn't, especially upon first viewing) but those that can relate--or were supposed to--certainly did. At least, in my case.
I told you it was coming my boy(pause) lol but yea I respect that & agree on your perspective. By doing an overview and trying to figure his character our I realized like all the other characters that it was Warren Ellis' plan to make him relatable to certain men. I'm still opposed to his arc mainly because I could never see myself acting in the manner that he did the same way I could never see myself acting like Trevor when it comes to bowing down to Sypha. Yet, it doesn't mean I don't see the value in the contrast between him and Isaac's development.
lol, I'm here I promised! Now I'm stoked to see what you have coming up the rest of the way. It's also really interesting to see how the perspective and experiences of people can change or influence the way they perceive and understand a character. I had a lot of trouble connecting to some characters--ironically, like Trevor. I like him as a character but I struggled to understand the choices he made and why. Your breakdown for him was really interesting in that regard because I felt like 'Oh, yeah thats a good point'. Now all you need is to give me a Laurence the First Vicar breakdown. (joking, but still)
It seems like they literally gave Isaac all of Hector's responsibility from the game. Game Hector with Crispin Freeman was so POWERFUL just by seeing and hearing him in the very first scene. You know Game Hector is no pushover. Hector at full power could rival that of Death.
Hector and Isaac's characters were so severely altered, they may as well have been Warren's OC inserts.
I can never reconcile this Hector with his original counterpart as the real Hector actually chose to abandon Dracula. He actually had a wife that loved and accepted him. When she wss killed, he limited his vengeance to the ones responsible, like Isaac. Like you said, his game counterpart was no pushover nor was he some woman's doormat. Something this show's writer and Netflix did on purpose.
He really went through a mountain of crap to find his peace in the show.
Indeed.
With no shovel or climbing gear.
Hector as Isaac is so much deep and flesh out in the show. Because in the games basically he is the "cold badass terminator" stereotype hero. But in the show Hector is someone who suffers, doubts and like Isaac has a trauma that must endure and overcome to be a better person. Both of them took Dracula as a father figure, in the case of Isaac was anger a revenge that leads him to be almost a fanatic but Hector path is different, he paid for being a traitor but his true journey is to just himself, not a tool. Both character's arc ended in a similar way butwith a different path to walk.
I understand many people can see Isaac as the MVP, and Hector like a "b*tch", always under the control of someone. But his change is from the inside, and that is cool to see too.
I actually didn't mind what they did with hector's character in season 3. It made complete and total sense from a psychological pov that hector would subconsciously fall back into the same pattern. And each of his perpetrators was more subtle in their manipulations than the previous. It just made sense to me. The beginning of season 3 showed him at least attempting to break the cycle, (considering it was about a 1st try, a relapse back into the habit was almost completely expected) and season 4 had him actually break it. It was done well in my opinion. But meh, that's just me.
Personally I didn't like it because Hector had all the potential to be as iconic as Isaac became through character development. Yet I do agree that the progression of him recognizing a bad habit, trying to break the habit through trial & error, then successfully making a shift for the better.
As a simp i understand hector I too have mommy issues
You need some therapeutic help, mate.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 lol I mean I'm a celibate philosopher so I think the fucked up past is helping the deepen the strive for knowledge (also my mommy issues are not at all traumatic it's more of like traumatic brain injuries that then resulted in a a personality shift and my parents delt with that personality, and now it seems I'm either back to what I was before brain surgery or am entirely new.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 remember that Hector also in the end came to the conclusion of taking back his will and coming to grips with reality.
I respect that & thank you for the deeper explanation on your personality type. It's not necessarily a slight on my end to people who can relate to Hector. I beleive most men have a varying degree of mommy issues in contrast to women having daddy issues. I just know that I would not find myself performing the same acts. Too much pride I guess lol
@@KaizokuSleven that's fair and I honestly hope I'm not as bad of a simp as Hector. And sense I don't seek out sex or even dating I'm just a simp for human connection lol
I relate 100% with Hector throughout the series. As someone who grew up with helicopter parents who heavily valued success and drive, that obsession for “worthiness” manifested in me and it becomes all consuming. You’d be willing to do anything, say anything, even think anything if it just meant you had the approval of those you viewed as superior, which usually appears to be mostly anyone. Loyalty became a virtue to live by, and shame between each other is nonexistent.
Fortunately, after a series of traumatic events, I’ve somewhat grown past my blind trust just as Hector has in order to forge my own path, but I won’t lie when I say my nature can probably still easily compel me; I haven’t truly changed, I’ve just gotten better at choosing my “masters”, choosing who to look up to, and discerning whether or not someone’s character deserves my loyalty.
Interesting! and Thank you for sharing your life experience & insight on someone who can relate whole-heartedly to him.
@@KaizokuSleven I felt like I had to since you mentioned you didn't relate to him at all, and so you had to take the time to really sit down and dissect the character. That can be hard to do for someone who comes from the complete opposite walk of life.
Oh man. You are me. I'm just starting to make the journey to becoming a human with dignity and a sense of his own agency in the world. The thing is that people hate it when you start leaving pet mode because all of a sudden they can't control you and now you're a threat. Stay on your path and I'll try my hardest to stay on mine and hopefully we'll both be OK eventually.
I get the impression that Hector is a victim of the showrunners not respecting a character from the original series.
Grant is the most extreme example of this, as he was completely cut out of the series, probably to make the main cast a trio.
YUP! A dumb move as well because he's like the 2nd coming of Alucard in the games. They likely cut out Grant so there wouldn't be any conflict amongst the protagonist since he was in love with Sypha.
@@KaizokuSleven That was only in judgment. In the original game, there is no mention of a love triangle.
@@Multienderguy37 Ahhh I see. Thank you for informing me
Yesssir you delivered on this one. Amazing breakdown and analysis of Hector. Love your videos and always looking forward to your content. Keep up the great work 🤴🏾 👑 King
Appreciate you as always a Loyal viewer man!
Curiously, in his own game he is strong enough to fight Trevor or defeat Dracula.
I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought of that scene in Troy of Achilles yelling Hector's name anytime I thought of Isaac coming for Hector.
Great analysis. I love Hector. Saw the show before I played the game and was very surprised by the badassery
I really did enjoy Hector as a character but I still blame season 3 for almost ruining his character in my opinion. In season 3, he kinda felt a little irrelevant and his story started to become less interesting. But I felt season 4 fix some problems that I had with the character.
I still feel it would’ve been interesting and fun, if Hector join Isaac to fight Carmilla side by side.
Indeed.
Oh man! Yea, I just wanted him to pick up his hammer(no homo) at least once to fight.
@@KaizokuSleven hectors not a fighter. that's clearly shown but he shows his usefulness in other ways. i think both hector and Issac's styles are represented with the tools they use for forging. a hammed is more a tool than a knife for example. hector knows what he can do by s4 and it shows by helping Issac.
there was a couple of instances where he showed some fight. but also shown in those instances he didn't get far so he put his greatest tool to use. his mind.
Im giving my support to Hector here. Despite his flaws and we all have them including characters in anime I fully support and loved Hector. Yeah I was hoping to enjoy the video but this dissing on Hector it's a no for me.
I respect your opinion and you should support Hector if he appeals to you.
Warren Ellis treated Hector the way he did for a couple reasons.
Because Alucard and Hector were Adi’s favorite characters, when the two had their falling out, Ellis had even more drive to treat Hector (and Alucard with how Season 3 ended) the way he did just to get back at Adi Shankar.
And the other reason, which was discussed in an interview on TheVerge. I’ll just quote the question and Ellis’ answer:
Taken from theVerge’s article.
“Warren Ellis wrote Castlevania season 3 in a ‘rapture of mad power’/ also why he still won’t play the games.
By Adi Robertson”
-Interviewer: “Is Hector ever going to catch a break?”
-Ellis: “Not on my watch! Sorry, I didn’t say that. It’s terrible, because [voice actor] Theo James, he’s got a big resonant heroic voice that immediately makes me hate him. But also, he does this thing where he can let little cracks of insecurity and vulnerability into his voice, which fascinated me. The confluence of these two things meant I had immense fun just torturing the poor guy.”
And with Ellis…problems, I’m not surprised that Lenore showed up either.
They did make changes to Hector’s upbringing too mainly the fact that in the games, Hector has been in Dracula’s service since Childhood (after his animal summons told Hector were to find Dracula and set the local church on fire to allow him to run to Dracula’s Castle, of course meeting up with Isaac on the way there) and up until he took the opportunity to run after he was sent out by Dracula to assassinate Trevor.
And I’m glad Lenore’s dead, the Simp brigade can stay mad at me about it
That's really interesting I was not aware of that & it literally validates my suspicion that Hector was a sacrificial lamb when it came to character development. That's pretty F'ed up what he did.
& YES! I'm glad she's dead too lol
@@KaizokuSleven Yeah I guess they needed at least one lamb to throw into the fire lol. I didn’t really like Ellis all too much so his interviews and how he treated the fans of the games gave me more of a reason to be very very wary of the show.
@@KaizokuSleven yeah, a lot of stuff they gave Issac was actually Hector's stuff.
IMO Castlevania was pretty good until it got to Curse of Darkness content. they had all the pieces to make a really adaption while having have room to improve and flesh out characters. (We do eventually find out Issac is also sympathetic in the game and is just being taken advantage of as much as everyone else).
But the absolute character assassination they did to St. Germain and Hector is inexcusable. I don't mind them fleshing Issac out and changing his ending, but the way they went about it just makes me mad.
Sounds like a right prick
@@justacatwithasadface2692 Very much so. Not only did he do all of this, but he seemed to have fun mocking the OG fans as well. The Deats bros did the same sometime during the beginning of September.
I really feel for him, just trying to do good even if he didn't grasp the full situation
I don't(feel for him 100%), when someone continues to make the same mistake over and over at some point they need to grow up and take personal accountability.
@@KaizokuSleven Some people are not good at reading others and understanding their motives, especially if they are on the autistic spectrum. It'll always be much harder for them to read and predict intentions. He's a gentle soul and also grew up very isolated, so he both lacks malice and practice of reading motives.
I like him, in a I want to hug him and keep him safe way, because he is why humanity should be more humane. He's sweet, innocent and vulnerable, the kind of person who should be protected not abused. But, of course, the world being what it is, abuse is pretty much all he knows because humanity (and vampires) very much sucks.
I've been hoping you'd make a video on Hector thanks man you're appreciated 🔥🤝🏾
Appreciate you for being loyal viewer! 🙏
its so interesting to see how many men specifically do not like hector, some outright insulting or belittling him.
I have always seen him and Isaac as parallels of one another, both tackling the themes of having control over your life and the results of not having one in very different yet similar fashion. I honestly saw Hector as a victim through and through, a kind soul that seeks validation and love in all the wrong places, like a moth that clings to the only available source of warmth, burning itself as a result. I was a lot more sympathetic to his struggles bcos i knew so many Hectors. He is very vulnerable with his need for love, he kinda wears his biggest "flaw" right up his sleeve and this is what power hungry individuals see right away, like Carmilla or Lenor. Which he is punished for several times during the series, but still manages to regain control over himself and his life. Yes his story is not as empowering as Isaac's, but it doesnt need to be, his change is a lot more subtle and realistic i feel like. You cant erase the traumatic experiences of your most fundamental years and the coping mechanisms you developed to combat them on a whim.
I also liked the relationship between Hector and Lenore, i dont really see this kind of dynamic between heterosexual couples anywhere in fiction, at least not to the same extent. Him letting her go is the symbol of him being finally freed and starting to cave his own path with Isaac
His archetype could have been executed better, but i feel like, with the type of character he is fundamentally he will always attract somewhat of a disdain from others
I could not agree more with this assessment. and I do find that his and lenore's relationship was quite fitting for the character they built for hector and I liked ultimately how it turned out. I think the want for hector to just be this badass would take away from the nuance of the character.
I agree with your assessment and hoped that what this character analysis conveyed from my perspective. That although I initially detested his core character but once I started to look deeper into why he acts the way he does? It would help me acknowledge and understand him more. My only gripe with the Hector in the show is that it takes away from his ability to defend himself effectively when he needs to like in the games. Because he very much had the same empathetic attitude in the game only he wasn't a push over when his back was against the wall.
Very well said! On top of that, he never really developed the ability to read people, maybe due to being so isolated all the time or maybe leaning on being somewhat autistic. He's book smart, but lacks people skills and that's how he ends up being so easily manipulated. He has no malice and so cannot see it in others. Which is interesting, considering he's fine with killing and caging most humans. His journey is learning the value of being free to make one's own choices, so he let's Lenore go because it's her choice and it's not up to him to decide for her.
Many men hate him and characters like him, that they consider weak, because they feel threatened. They suffer from toxic masculinity and cannot, do not want to be confronted by the idea that men can be weak, that they can be and probably are weak in some way. It challenges their fantasy that men are strong and that's all they can be, so as to not contradict that idea, they'll try to dismiss him from the male category.
Mind you he did that for like 2 seasons in terms of masking his intent until ready to strike and Issac shows up and finishes carmilla if not for hector dragging it out for so long and being in contact with others loyal to Dracula's court it wasn't in a way hard to see how easy it was story wise to over throw carmilla and even gave death his avenue to further his own background ploy but that's spoilers
I think, the reason why Hector is not a badass, is to contrast with Issac. They gave Hector more emphasis on his empathies and heart to contrast with Issac's zealotry and hatred to humanity. Where Issac wanted people to suffer (and thus is highly militant), Hector really didn't *hate* anyone in Season 2. Not even humans, not like Issac. Without that hate or anger, why harm them?
Hector doesn't fight, because it'd steal away from his emotional character. A character I think is useful in highlighting the nuances of Dracula and his council, and eventually the vampires of Styria. His calmer demeanor, his tendency to talk things over, and become emotional about a topic lets us the audience see other sides of both groups. Not unlike Sypha who serves this less martial, more emotional ethical voice to the heroes, and Lenore who is a foil to Hector.
I love the game adaptation of Hector as he overcomes challenges and seeks out revenge but chooses to queil his anger and hatred through redeeming himself by freeing his past issues with Dracula by slaying him once again, the show verson of him also has him grow and experience growth of the mind and intent of free will toward his creative mindset of isolation but having connections with others wanting to read and make new inventions.
Bro, I'm really enjoying your breakdowns. Next up is Dracula lonely at the top
Netflix did my boy hector dirty
Good stuff Isaac is still my favorite but I like how Hector was not outright dangerous in the show. He is one of the few charters like this In many shows.
3:06 "I want to hate it properly." - Lenore
Loved the analysis as always.
Hector... Irked me. His naive idiocy drove me up the wall. And let's not get me started on the simp arc he went on. May
"The Simp Arc", lmao.
Yea man, for the life of me it got on my last nerve watching his arc but I understand why Warren Ellis did it. As you can see, there seem to be a lot of sympathetic fans of his character in the show.
I have really been enjoying your videos. I am glad the spirits of YT deemed to share them with me. Hope for your continued development and success.
LOL RIGHT! I'm glad as well but I'm more so glad the content is appreciated. That's what matters the most
Oh, that's a cool intro.
Thank you!
Another amazing video. Thank you for covering the characters of my favorite game (and Netflix) series!
Appreciate it & glad you are enjoying the content!
Just found your vids yesterday and you bless me with this amazing one today. Great work. Well crafted and well said. Keep it up!
Appreciate your words & dang JUST yesterday?? lol j/k better than never , I'll try to keep pumping consistent quality content out here & hopefully I'll gain the algorithms favor lol
"Rehabilitation of an Impressionable Tool" sounds like a song- or sub-title for a Touhou-game.
😂
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Appreciate you!
Hector becomes a badass towards the end of the show. From blue-pill beta to borne again red pill Chad.
Thanks to this video. It's now my headcanon that Curse of Darkness is actually the book show Hector wrote. This is why he's a badass in it. Actually he probably wrote the whole game series. And that's why Camilla is naked.
HUH....that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing this
Wtf is this comment?
Bro that clip at 16:03 took me out!🤣🤣 it fit so perfectly
I’m glad you enjoyed it 😂
Isaac Netflix was just amazing
I really didn't like what they did to Hector in the Netflix show. I really wished they made him more like the games. He was just way too passive for me in the show, especially when compared to Curse of Darkness.
100% Agreed. He was a shell of his game iteration.
I love that you dude from people if earth in here
Godbrand is the real star of the show and you know it.
😂 you're right
Thank You
Behind every single Ultimate Femi-NZi Karen (Camilia) , there has an innocently naive über-simp proto-Omega/Beta male thriving aimlessly in the shadows (Hector) .
(I am not fond of pseudo-psychology and this whole "alpha-beta-blah-blah-sigma-omega" spectrum, but I do suspect this construct applies better in some fiction works.)
Edit: @15:55 to @16:04 This caught me off-guard. LMAO! 🤣🤣
I with you, all those alphanumeric personality traits I honestly think everyone has a bit of each in them but it's a good use for character creation process.
Listen that 1 scene from Troy is all I thought about after watching season 3 😂
@@KaizokuSleven That's exactly what I thought!
In real life, everyone has varying degrees of these traits in regard to their choices, interactions, relational dynamics, profession, et cetera. Nevertheless, it remains so easy to apply this spectrum onto fictional characters.
@@KaizokuSleven The scene from "Troy" made me chuckle so loudly!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 100% it very similar with the traits associated with astrological signs. There are some truths to those personalities but anyone can tap into their inner Taurus while being a Libra or whatever these people like to say lol
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 I'm glad you saw the humor in the parallel 🤣
My top 3 characters is now complete.
1. Alucard
2. Hector
3. Isaac
I hope I did them justice 👍
your videos are always great. Legitimate King shit.
Appreciate you!!
@12:44 to @13:02 Andrew Tate's antivillain origins story Be Like. 🤣🤣
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@@KaizokuSleven 🤣🤣🤣
Loving the castlevania analysis, please go into other franchises
IYO which series would you like me to dive into?
@@KaizokuSleven if you catch yourself playin anymore dark fantasy games, I'd love to here it. it could dark souls or anything. I enjoy character breakdowns.
@@KaizokuSleven Dragon age absolution would be a good one to mention
@@koju-kin Thank you, I've been meaning to jump into the Souls games & I LOVE Dragon Age ever since beating Inquisition years ago.
Will you be doing a Syfa and Saint Germain video?
Yeap, they are the last 2 for this series.
@@KaizokuSleven Cool. I would like to hear your Lords of Shadow take as well. Thank you for the work.
@@ruminator3570 I've been anticipating on doing that after I finish the Netflix Character Analysis series. But I am not sure if people are willing to watch if I make gaming video essays(which I REALLY want to do as well).
A comment as offering to the algo god's. I enjoy your videos immensely, have a good day.
I appreciate it!
Issac is by far my favorite in the show. Dgaf
And I know cuz of ks1 lol. 🤙. Bra, everyone calls me Trevor around mt shasta; the Belle Monte. When I woke up almost screaming of my dream that I was Hector....dude, you helped me realize because I had started talking to a Lenore. I realized tonight. Be my Isaac, I'll tell you everything because you won't bring Dracula back. Aloha ✌️
Gotta rewatch like all your castlevanias. Ty ks. I woke up crying after dreaming I was Hector. I'm a f-ing Belmont! But I've been dealing with kkk in my town and insurrectionists Confederates. I know it messes with your mind after months of investigative journalism. Keep these coming ks. I'll comment more asap. ✌️. Have you done Sypha yet? She got the most beautiful voice
Appreciate your feedback as always. Sypha is definitely next, stay tuned.
@@KaizokuSleven ya brother!
the reason why you don't like him is the effects of being a forgemaster.
He was a bit of a coward but he was smart and kind. I think he was boring in the game and he's extremely I unique and relatable in the show
Character wise? Yea he's kind of a bleeding heart but action wise he wasn't boring in the games.
@@KaizokuSlevendamn right he wasn’t boring action wise. In most of the cutscenes from the game he’s going bare knuckle fisty cuffs. And dont even get me started on all the badass weapons like the dragonslayer, a mini-gun, an electric guitar, a friggin laser sword and death’s scythe! Sorry im a big fan of curse of darkness and personally i feel like they did him super dirty in the show. Kind of wish that after season 2 he escaped carmilla’s clutches and has kind of a parallel story to issacs were he litterally has nothing and becomes the badass we see in the game.
No I didn’t like hector, he didn’t really grow and just got used by everyone until they got tired of him. Then he put on his stupid woe is me I got used act and continued to be used again.
He was just overly naive even when it made no sense for him to be repeating his mistakes.
I’ve only seen the animated version and I have to say I was not fond of him at all.
It's cause Hector is white.