Remanufactured Cessna 170B with Injected Lycoming 360 engine and many many upgrades.
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2021
- This is the first "Bushliner" aircraft that has been remanufactured. Mark talks about the features and takes it around the pattern. Beyond restoration. Injected Lycoming 360. 66 gallons of fuel, custom cowling. composite propeller. 31 inch Alaska bushwheels. skylights. 185 gearlegs. Extended baggage. a baggage door.
Simply amazing aircraft. Built with a lot of forethought, knowledge, hard work, love, and a ton of money.
Couldn't agree more!
You are a lucky man to be able to, and get to fly all these jewels..
I am very lucky. I have an equivalent 180 to that 170 coming to RUclips very soon.
That plane is amazing. I was thinking about buying a house, but I'd rather buy that and a yurt and be done with it. The yurt I can put anywhere after I find a decent piece of land where I can fly that beauty in and out. That's living to me.
I like it. Good attitude.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Why thank you, sir! I really appreciate you taking the time to show all of us these wonderful aircraft. I'm going to have to start making some phone calls soon at this rate. Cheers!
My 180 has been up at Bushliner for over a year - looking forward to the remanufactured 180
We have a video coming out that is talking about your plane then.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 And THIS made me subscribe!!
@@Mike_Costello Thank you.
That's one nice rebuild, they did a great job it !
Mark - Thanks for the video on this great plane. I love the seating height - I'm a shorter person that hates looking over the control panel.
WOW!! Amazing airplane and great video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice ! this thing is very well done, great video, its great to get an intimate interview and learn about how this thing was redone!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow that’s beautiful! I must say that would be my dream plane! I’ve always wanted a 170 preferably a 170B with an engine upgrade and bush wheels with a STOL kit
You and me both!
Mark, you sure have an eye for the unusual and unique. once again....kudos
Thanks. they find me!!
This plane is so cool. Even the minor touches like the paracord handles on the inside that you could use in an emergency situation is something simple yet useful.
It was unique and very good fun to fly.
Beautiful airplane. Thanks for the review.
Thanks.
Superb airplane indeed, with the right stuff.
That was awesome! Thank you for sharing
I purchased some products from Bushliner for a panel upgrade in my 180. (Maybe one day I can afford the Bushliner treatment in its entirety) they are amazing to work with and the products are flawless. Perfection is an understatement. Always wanted to see more of this 170. Thanks for showing it to us.
They are literally perfectionists, all of them.
I noticed in your panel tour, that there was a prop control. The only time you mentioned it was during the run-up. This is, almost, like a C-180 with a C-170 fuselage with as many upgrades as you can think of. Fantastic! Love the paint scheme!
@@crazypeoplearoundtheworld304 Wow, you must be a genius correct?
Love the balloon tyres!! So cool!! And the tailfin looks like it came off a Piper cub.
The whole thing is so well done.
I agree sir. It looks so good!!!
love learning about this old planes -- thanks Mark
Thanks for watching.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 I noticed that when you filmed the flight that co pilot yoke was removed? Tell me more.
@@waytooslow Yes, right yoke was out for just ease of use for a non-pilot passenger. I have it and I balanced it in there for the talking part. Took it out for the flying part.
That is one gorgeous airplane!
It really is.
Amazing plane. Congrats!!
It really is!
Very nice plus more power, good, good!!
What a beauty !
My first airplane was a Cessna 140. She was underpowered but fun. Then a Stinson 108-1 followed by a1946 Culver V. I have only owned one airplane with a training wheel in front.
I have been a passenger in this exact airplane and can assure you it is the best 170B in the country
Great testimonial.
Mark is a smooth, smooth. Hell, I don't fly and I watch just because the videos are cool and this guy (limey or aussie?) is so good.
Thanks.
Something about an aircraft like this that gives you a feeling you don't get when buying a brand new plane
It's unique.
Everyone’s dream plane. Very nice.
Thanks.
Mark you know I would love to have done this flight demo for you in this Beautiful 170
I’ll be looking forward for my flight in the 170 this Friday to do takeoffs and and landings on from grass to asphalt
Wow!!
It is really an epic machine Juan
What a gem!
Unique...... for now.
Great video...
Thanks.
Totally cool!!!
Fantastic
Nice machine.
It sure is!
Like this plane very much
It was the best 170 in the world.
That was awesome. I own a 56 170b, but this is the lambo version
It really is stunning.
Wow! Nuff said.
Beautiful wheel landing Mark and I’m looking forward to seeing how I will do
Thanks 👍
that is a great airplane !
The best.
I believe this should become the ''future'' for GA. Refurbished/remanufactured/upgraded planes. Cirrus's are very nice with all their bells and whistles but you have to be made out of money in order to get one of those. That being said, it's a beautiful specimen of a plane.
Dang what a pretty plane. Makes me wonder how they would sell if Cessna offered that plane today (and what fun it would be to use a time machine to take that plane back to 1954 and show Cessna....). Great paint scheme, just a very nice machine.
It would be $600,000 if Cessna sold it today...
@@chester8420 Yikes! I'm so out of touch with pricing.
It would be what a new 172 is at least, yes.
AWESOME!
Thanks!
Too cool
Looks like you could sleep in the back comfortably. I like that idea. Hope its true.
You could.
Hmmm… with all the interest these days in go anywhere tail draggers maybe Cessna should take notice of this. Might be a market for new 170’s.
Cessna will never build a tail-dragger again because of the liability, nor will they build a retractable...... Don't crash and sue and planes would be cheaper.
Great video I’ve always loved those planes!! Would you mind doing a video on a Cessna 140 as well?
Possibly! I need there to be one that I can film. I'll see what there is available.
Impresive 170
Very.
I see the nice 180
Dihedral gives you stability about the roll axis. It aids the pilot to keep the airplane from spiraling. A Cessna 170 today costs $300K but cost only $30K when new.
Seen 170’s cheaper than that
A quick google, not sure how accurate, states $30K in 1955 is equivalent to $300K today so…
@@louissanderson719for one with these amounts of modifications cost around 300k to about 400k.
Too bad this was ground looped at KTCY about 3 months ago... really banged it up
Yes, a great pity. Groundlooped by a ferry pilot that has walked without insurance and will not assist. Feels he has no responsibility. 7kt down the runway heading and he lost control. !!!!!! Massive long, wide, flat, runway. No fuselage damage, but it did get the wingtips and engine and prop.
Sad to say this plane had a small crash about a month ago. Hopefully it can be restored to this quality again.
Don't remind me. That was very upsetting, and unnecessary.
I have a feeling that because of modern prices on modern taildraggers, there is a business model for someone to do these remanufactures on planes like the C120s, on upwards to later models. As related to cars, there are a few companies that have been doing this for many years already to vehicles like the Ford Bronco and the Toyota Land cruisers. Any vintage vehicles, whether 4x4 or strictly road cars. I don't understand why Cessna has not released a modern C185. So many businesses rely on them for their daily bread all over the world.
Great channel. Fun to vicariously see and fly all these awesome planes. Why so many fuel drains on the wing though? Seems like too many but assume it’s for floats or skis?
The new Cessnas have five per wing. This one does just to be safe. As a taildragger though it will drain all it's water to the lowest point which means it really only needs the trailing edge ones, but when on floats it is level. No bladders in there either. Metal tanks.
The "I heard it from a buddy who heard it from a friend who heard it from his CFI" story that I heard(lol) was that Cessna added them into later planes due to insurance and lawsuits stemming from earlier wings trapping water and causing accidents. Might be a fun topic for this channel to explore.
I would love to have it, if it comes up for sale...
If Mark says it's the best one in the world, I believe him, but I also hope someone can present a challenge!
Excellent.
Super stol type gear legs would make it perfect
Ah, but that might make it experimental wouldn't it?
You were not kidding...really may be the nicest 170 on the planet. Since this one is fuel injected...what do you think of the carburetor vs FI debate I always see...are fuel injected planes much more difficult if not impossible to start hot (noticed you started this one warmish) without a cool down period? Or is there a technique to prevent the issues? As always great presentation and yep...I learned a lot!
Fuel injection is better fuel metering. They use less and can go lean of peak. They are easy to start if you know the specific technique for each type. This one when cold starts like a car. Prime, mixture in and throttle cracked then turn it over.
When hot it is like a lot of other injected planes, NO PRIME EVER, mixture FULLY OUT and throttle wide open. Crank it and it will start immediately, lightning fast push in the mixture and pull the throttle back to 1000 RPM BEFORE it revs up crazily. This will start most of the injected aircraft engines when hot. If they are not starting easily even with this technique, the mags could be out of time or the plug gaps are too small.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Thanks so much for the detailed reply...I figured there had to be a way to make it work and you would know how. A lot of keyboard warrior's make it sound like its impossible without a 20 min cool down.
Sweet
Very
Wonder if you could fit a surfboard in the back, looks big!
yes, you could.
Interesting INDEED! Can't get over how tiny, teeny tiny the wheels are. Question, Mark: are there any circumstances under which the plane, having undergone this "manufacture," could re-enter service as a 'zero time' aircraft.... is this something Bushliner could persue? What a great looking plane! Thx.
Never zero. It is in effect zero but the new bushliners will be "re-manufactured" Cessna and the FAA will not allow zero although they really are.
Got my private in a straight 170. Straight wing, all metal. C145. I'm pretty sure it was a '53, but that doesn't jive with what you said about metal vs fabric, a vs b, etc. Would it have been converted to metal wings?
If it had big fowler flaps it was a B and if it had small flaps it was a straight 170 or a 170A.
You do bloody well flying other peoples aeroplanes would make me nervous.
I'm always very conservative with other peoples planes and I always ask if I can do a video about them.
Nice airplane, but lack of useful load will always be an issue with 170’s. If UL doesn’t matter, one cannot go wrong with a docile and fun to fly 170B.
Beautiful a/c Mark. Was it at Oshkosh several yrs ago? I seem to remember that interior.
By the sounds of it all they really need is a data plate and the paperwork.
Did you need an STC to use the 172RG components? I might be buying a -170 and would like to have at least the doors with the locks and bubble windows. I also would like to put in C-172 or later yokes with a PTT.
Oh yes, a huge pile of STC and 337 form and Field approvals.
With all these upgrades and modifications, how does the cruise speed and payload compare to a stock 170?
It legally carries the same. It is about 15 kts faster with normal tires on it. The take off and landing distances are incredibly shorter.
That's actually not a bad price considering how much new pa-28s and 172S models cost.
True.
Do the “tundra” tires resist ground loops more than regular sized tires, perhaps because of the wider stance?
NO
Sorry;
But it's THE PILOT, with his training and experience that has to "resist" those ground-loops! 😉
@@robinj.9329 😃😆
I really miss the intro, Mr. Mark. It always gets my kids running to watch you fly another kind of plane!
Oh, Sorry. I was advised by a RUclips enhancer guru guy not to use an intro. Get straight into it.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Oh well. Can't please everybody I guess. Far be it from me to disagree with your RUclips "guru", but I doubt any viewers would dislike your videos because of a 6 second intro. Especially given the excellent presentation, interesting subject, beautiful setting, good audio, and lack of merchandise plug! Not to mention your cool dialect..
@@chester8420 I agree, Thanks for watching them. Sorry about the intro.
Forgot to say smooth cameraman too.
Thank you, Chester! - Don the Camera Guy.
Is the N2771C a experimental category plane. Could it be certified for IFR rules?
It is not experimental. It is a certified 170B. It could easily be IFR with the right radios.
"A" models are all single strut, tapered, ALL METAL wings.
Do THE STC’s increase the gross weight? If not how much weight did all the mods add? What’s the new empty weight? Did they make it Experimental to accommodate all the mods?
It's Certified and all legal with STC's and Approvals etc. Weight was removed and weight was added so it ended up the same roughly.
The 170A has metal wings. I have one. Still no dihedral though
You are right. I think the Later A models did. No dihedral though which is good if you flip it over.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 I hope that I never experience that
Is there an STC for the wing change?...or did you go Experimental?
There’s an STC
Those tundra tires will stick once you touch down
What's the empty weight and useful load of something like this?
Useful load is mid 750 Lbs range. No GW increase so mods added weight. One of which was a bigger better engine, So although the useful load is down a bit it can carry weight very easily.
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I would like a Remanufactured Bushliner 170B with 180 wings, coupled with a full Robertson Stol, that includes, Leading edge cuff, Wing fences, Ailerons coming down with flaps, third notch being full Robertson, Wing Extensions, Preferably with 260hp, Can they do that?
Yes they can. It would be basically a new plane.
Do they have approval for the T3?
And why is the rudder tab bent so far? Or is it just look that way in the video? I would think a remade plane wouldn’t need that much “trimming”
The rudder trim is barely off straight, it must be a shadow.
That’s what I figured. No comment on the T3????
@@stevenuntiet6423 Yes, sorry, It is all approved.
So I saw where this airplane is coming up for sale soon. Are you going to be the broker? What is the asking price?
Yes, I'm the broker. It's on my website at skywagons.com and it is $249,000
Has this airplane been converted to experimental? If not, how were they able to use so many parts from other aircraft?
Not experimental. Field approvals and STC's and all legal. Many Cessna parts are interchangeable, so it is not a big step to apply a part to another plane.
How did they wing swap with out having to go experimental
A lot of FAA approvals and STC's and 337 forms.
The 49-51 170a model was not a ragwing. it had metal wings
Yes, The last of the A's were metal with small flaps.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 No, all of the As had metal wings. only the 48 170 had fabric wings.
I think we should trade planes.....Lemme polish up this old Cherokee....
I believe the term you are looking for is “resto-mod”
Yes, most likely.
Perhaps you can explain something to me. This plane is listed on the FAA registry as being built by Cessna in 1954. Should the manufacturer be Bushliner. Here is a direct quote from the registry:"Cert Terminated or In Question" ll the other registry items are straight '54 Cessna. How did it accumulate 500 hours without proper registration?
I expect that it might not be a certified aircraft.
It is certified and it is registered. It is in FAA Limbo (3 months) processing an internal name change.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 That still does not explain how after 5-6 years, 500 hours, that the original registration still shows on the FAA registry. As soon as it was certified,(5-6 years ago) that information should have changed, and been on the current registry, regardless of the status.
What is it you are trying to learn? The aircraft registry is in transition due to a change that was submitted to the FAA. The aircraft IS certified and it is registered. You won't be able to see that until the FAA finishes doing their voodoo magic at their end.
Do is this plane in its own category or is it one giant field approval?
It has a lot of Field approvals and STC's but still is a Certified 170.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 pretty slick!
Why are some planes restricted to bone stock FAA approved in every part. With others mix matching parts including replacing engines, wings, doors etc?
You can change anything to anything with FAA approval.
Ahh. So a matter of going through the right channels and procedures. Thx for reply.
It's very nice but all the mods sounds so expensive like you could get a Pilatus PC-6 for the money.
It's a million less than a PC 12 but I know what you mean. It's very nice but it is a 170 still.
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Those are not 35" Bushwheels, the 35's have 10" wheels, those are 6" wheels and the largest tire for the 6" wheel is the 31" Bushwheel.
I was going to say the same thing.
Both correct. 31's. They are a bit worn. If someone buys it they get a choice of new tires.
Yes you are right. It has 31's on it.
7:42 ''when you are turning onto final from base you can see the runway ...thru the skylights.... '' ummm that is pretty big right there issn't it???? :)
You totally can see the runway through the skylights on a left or right base turn onto final. It is not even that steep of a turn.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 it just seemed cool to keep eye contact thru the turn ?? or it sounded like that from the way the ''SALESMAN'' lol talked it up ;)
@@alexmikhael5061 Noticeably cooler in the summer without the skylights.
Only one control yoke?
Yes, but rigged for two. It's easy to put it back in.
Did he say let this "visualize"
I'm not sure what this means.
I was wanting this plane till i found out it couldn't haul my anvil collection.
Ah, yes the old piano/anvil/encyclopedia delivery problem.
LOL
Curious if a 172 donor can be converted to conventional gear?
The only one to convert to a taildragger and put a 180 HP engine in is any 1959 or older straight tail or they look weird.
I soloed in my father's converted 172, they do NOT "look weird" and "Texas Taildragger" Company can sell you a kit for it.
It's strange, I use to be a mechanic and I have never heard of ceramic pistons...
Ceramic coated pistons I should have said. Sorry "pressure under fire"
Oh, ok... yeah I have heard of ceramic blocks...
Im sure it's pricey however i would love own one - smaller bush wheels and NO that black with red stitching is not 4 me !
Tastes vary. I like it though