Raised by Thetans in a Galactic Gulag | Aaron Smith-Levin | EP 413
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with former-Scientologist and podcaster Aaron Smith-Levin. They explore his upbringing within the “church,” how Scientology entices new members, the basis for Dianetics in Freudian psychology, the religiously inspired twist only found behind multiple paywalls, the higher being known as Xenu, what broke Aaron’s belief, and his now ongoing fight against the manipulation of this still relevant, international cult.
Aaron Smith-Levin is a former Scientologist and host of the “Growing Up In Scientology” RUclips channel. He was also a main interviewee on the docu-series “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.” Since leaving the cult, he has devoted himself and his career to unmasking the harmful practices and beliefs held by the international religion.
This episode was recorded on December 23, 2023
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(0:00) Tour dates 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:04) Intro
(2:34) Discerning truth from falsehood
(4:23) Joining a religion that requires “no faith”
(10:51) The E-Meter: what it is and how it works
(12:06) How recruitment works, insecurity and financial incentive
(16:09) The real psychology L. Ron Hubbard built his religion on
(21:50) Bait and switch, from “scientific method” to sci-fi religion
(29:29) How cults use archetypes
(31:31) What are Thetans and Thetan Clusters?
(33:25) The Galactic Federation, Xenu, and the spiritual “Big Bang”
(36:10) Aliens made humans make up religions
(37:58) Earth is a galactic gulag
(39:29) L. Ron Hubbard claimed he was the Buddha
(40:00) Mans proclivity to mythologize everything
(41:28) What Scientologists are hoping to accomplish
(47:09) Becoming skeptical, the myth of the “upper confidential levels”
(53:35) The secret “International Management Base” in California
(55:18) Scientology VP’s: “It was an unmitigated hellhole”
(56:41) Dan Koon proved L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud
(58:43) Ethos versus actions, calibrating the truth
(1:05:15) Working as a staff member in the church
(1:06:26) Tom Cruise is a true believer
(1:10:30) Becoming a double age
(1:14:38) Snitching culture, being told to “disconnect” from his mother
(1:18:40) They tried to destroy my entire family, and we lost 95 percent of our community
(1:22:55) The Aaron Smith-Levin website is an orchestrated hit piece
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Thank you for having me on, I really enjoyed our chat.
When you were asking about political podcasters I certainly didn't expect this. Great move. Can't get much better (or more exposure) than JBP. Well, on to Rogan!
@@jarettmeyer4929I agree. He talks too much.
Ya done messed up
You were such a great guest.
Scientology is bananas
A-A-Ron is Scientology's worst nightmare. And their own fault. He offered them to never speak publicly about his negative experiences in the cult, as long as they left his family alone. They declined. And decided to enforce disconnection on he and his wife's family. Creating their own worst nightmare, which you see here before you today. An unstoppable juggernaut of truth. ❤
Clearly,, they regret the day they made an enemy of him.
Damn well said!
Unfortunately it doesn't take long to see how much effort the Scientology's put into discrediting him. Disgusting cult.
AARON!!! I’m so proud of you ❤️
I’ll kindly be the one to recognize the Key&Peele reference 😂😭and DAMN well said !
I, our family lost our mother to the scientology cult. She left our family when I was about 8, with smaller siblings. I realized she had to leave out family as our dad refuse to join. A person from that cult still continue to contact me trying to get me in after over 30 years. The damage my mother leaving us caused us is indescribable. Please continue to expose this evil. 😢thank you to both of you, this was healing for me.. please keep speaking up, you are doing a good work here.
❤❤❤
When Scientology dictator David Miscavige says "PINK LEGS," his lieutenants know exactly what he means
From the 12 February 1967 Policy Letter *The Responsibility of Leaders*, a.k.a. the Bolivar Policy Letter:
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[The power asks] 'what are those dead bodies doing at the door. And if you [the subordinate] are clever, you never let it be known HE [the power] killed them - that weakens you and also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. *She* over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me'. 'Well', he'll say if he really is a power, 'Why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it? Where's my blue ink?...
...always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to a critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of a whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise...
...Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind... and if they are right and also manage their man [the power] and keep him from collapsing from overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of juggernaut builds up.
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No one believes you.
@@ellebelle4094 why don't you go R2-45?
I’m sorry that happened
As a former life-long Scientologist, I'm really impressed with this interview. Everyone tends to be dismissive of Scientology but Peterson really took it seriously and explains how so many smart people can become sucked into it. And Aaron had great explanations - i kept listening for him to make an error or strawman Scientology in same way, but as far as i could tell he was completely accurate and fair throughout.
That is the thing about cults and religions they promise things that cannot be quantified and give good people purposes and confidence that they are doing and living correctly. EVERY human being intelligent or not has some sort of belief that they are living right because of X and when you have a giant powerful organization whispering in your ear about how your sacrifices are doing great for others that makes you a hero you more then believe it you WANT to believe it. That to me is what the human race calls devotion. It is also why I cannot and will not ever believe in any religion or group of power. There is an old saying that fits well here, 'The Mob is the Mother of Tyrants.' Diogenes
Something else to keep in mind to give yourself some freedom from emotional turmoil. These practices are often used by businesses on their employee as well.
I used to know Mike and Rachel Ewing. Any relation?
@@seradfb345 I don't recognize your name. What were you doing at Flag?
as a former lifelong death row inmate I too, am very impressed with this interview. 😊
THANK you both for this interview. I never knew just how bad Scientology was. This was so enlightening.
Aaron was on Cults to Consciousness which is where I found him. If you're interested in more cult survival stories. ❤
If you're interested in learning about the truth about Scientology go to his channel.
Growing up in Scientology
It's well worth the investment of time.
Watch #361 on Lex's program. Very thorough.
Oh it’s so bad. Child s*xual abuse cover ups. Elder abuse. Trafficking. Exploitation. Mind control. Bullying. Violence. Adults risking their lives to escape. Suspicious deaths and suicides. Organised framing of critics.
Oh and the most famous Hollywood actor significantly contributes financially. And we all turn a blind eye.
The people who are deceived are not bad the deceivers are!
Like a pastor who uses his charm and charisma to shame and call his congregation leaches to get more money 💰 to use the same character flaws and money to shmooze lawyers, sheriff's, some police, and community judges to corrupt a town or city!
ITS THE BOOK 📖 OF ELIAH IN REAL LIFE!
Unholy union of church money corrupting judges and benefiting those around the pastors at the top!
SCIENTOLOGY JUST MASTERED THE MANIPULATION!
FLORIDA IS TAKEN FULLY AND SO IS POINT LOMA...
Had they not fugged with my name I would have not turned back around to face them head on!
This is an interesting show! It put the quote in my head:
" “A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.
The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it.”
― David Stevens
Love this quote!!!
And aaron is a liar, a very good and prolific liar, but a liar.
@@ellebelle4094, you have to specify what he lied about. Scientology can no longer rely on fair gaming to silence. You can't scare people anymore.
@@JessBlake2 Watch the police body cam when they were called when he was drunk and getting kicked out of a bar for calling a woman he had stalked the "C" word 5 times. Her boyfriend punched and knocked him down. He called the police on the boyfriend. He claimed he was punched out of nowhere. Police disagreed and said there were witnesses. He said the witnesses were drunk. Police said they had two sober bartenders as witnesses. Aaron kept lying and lying to them. Officer told him no DA would prosecute because aaron was the aggressor. Then aaron blamed everything on scientology. So many lies. Why don't you know about this, and many other incidents. Is cheating on your wife a lie? He did it. And, there is no such thing as "fair gaming." It's something your cult leaders have tricked you into believing. PS It was not the first time he was kicked out of a bar. Earlier it happened when he was drunk and harassing some female customers and their dates and he refused to leave. Police were called to get him out. Again, he said it was the fault of scn. That is your cult leader.
@@ellebelle4094 yes by all means, HOW AND WHERE is he lying?
The power of the family unit. He chose his wife & children above all else. LOVE. There is NO stronger power in this world than real love.
For LOVE and also DUTY! I feel like what makes a man a true man is taking care of the loved ones around you. He had a duty to his family and he stood his ground and choose his responsibility to them. Now that is true honor and its amazing to see. If only more men & women had that level of commitment to their loved ones, the world sure would be a better place. Amen to that man.
Well except that her parents chose the "church" instead of their daughter and grandchildren.
He just left his wife after multiple affairs of his. Scientology is horrific but this guy is far from good.
@@GemmaKelly-tw1xm you can hardly compare the two! Scientology is an abusive and dangerous cult - having affairs is not in the same category at all. Plenty of people who have affairs when married are not dangerous people who take away others freedom and keep them working for low pay and isolate them from family.
I think there needs to be a part two of this conversation as Aaron has a lot more to say.
He is one of many voices that will help destroy this evil cult and heal a lot of families.
Go A-Aron and all the SPTV warriors !!!
I agree def need a part two!!
Agreed.
Seriously! Didn’t even let Aaron talk
@@meaghanmackenzie I didn't realize how Jordan interviews is as a clinical psychologist - that is why there needs to be a part two as you typed.
THEY HAD ME CONVERTED AT, "Remove your mind.'"🖖🏼👎🏼😆
I watch A A Ron a lot. I’m fascinated by religions & cults. He’s so smart and he has such a good sense of humor despite all he’s been through.
He also has a sexy name.
But you if you tell him that he'll blush 😂😂
@GrowingUpInScientology A -Aron.... you are Super Cute, and your smile....😊
I am too. Just remember, Christianity isn't a cult. Someone said that online and I reacted quickly because it just isn't true. It isn't true of Islam, Judaism, Hinduism either. Respect for others religions is important.
@@latinagoppowerrrr5842 What about all these people who say every religions is an evil cult?
Thank you for having Aaron on. Couldn't pick a better person to interview
Back off a little. Stop worshiping youtubers Jordan Peterson isnt your God ..... is he?
Oh jeeze... why does it bother you that someone thanked another person for what they did?
There's no worship involved.. it's called good manners.
Try it sometime.
I'll second it. Thank you Dr. Peterson for having on such an interesting guest.
@@bethotoole6569 I’ll third it 😊 more people should know about Scientology and the Sea Org.
@user-gs7iw6iy2k you just don't like SP's? Think we know who you are...🤣🤣🤣
Great choice to have Aaron on!
Fantastic conversation.
My father was a minister at Calvary Baptist church in Clearwater Florida during the 80s and 90s when our church was located not too far from the main Scientology building. I remember-as a child- observing the people involved with the place. We saw and heard about so many things that even as a child and teen, I couldn't understand why anyone would want to be part of something I found to be a bad place. An intimidating and scary place. There was even an uneasy feeling one would have. As I got older and learned more about their organization, I realized how accurate those feelings were as a child to say the least.
There were times when Scientology members would come to our church seeking help to get away from them, even members who came from other countries. The church of Scientology wouldn't give them their passports back and when they wanted to go back to their own country. They were frightened and rightfully so. I heard a couple of them were higher ups, if you will.
Many of the people you would see coming out of the main building and walking to other buildings were quite young. Sometimes they were walking in groups and I noticed they were not smiling and it wasn't often you would see them talking to each other. They kept to themselves and they wore uniforms and I noticed some had different color shirts. As a child at the time, I wondered if the different color shirts had something to do with what level they were at.
We would see dark limousines pull in the main building all the time. We wondered who were in those cars.
You couldn't drive pass the main building without even a glance or wonder what was going on in there.
Through the years we were at Calvary, they were already taking over that part of the city. They would even try to talk our church leaders in to selling our church to them. Our church was the historic church with a beautiful dome. Sadly the church is no longer there and located elsewhere. Anyhow, it certainly left an impression and I often wonder where the people I observed are today and how they're doing in life. I hope in a better place. 🙏
Thank you for sharing your memories and the Truth!
I often wonder how Christians or Muslims could look at Scientology and think they are crazy. I think modern religious folks and scientologists have far more in common than they think.
Thank You!
Just another ridiculous cult really.
Calvary Baptist is just as crazy just in a different way
May you consider a part 2 of this conversation? Particularly now Aaron is not only surviving, but thriving, despite all of these adversities.
How is he thriving? Still getting drunk and/or high and abusing women. He is a con artist.
Love seeing A Aaron on your podcast!!! Keep exposing this horrible child-trafficking cult.
Sending you love, Artsy!
Interisting how easily you axcept a story without any real verification.
@mickmurphy5680
Hi, OSA! Sorry to disappoint you, but A-a-ron has ALLLL the receipts --- & you know it. And, he does not lie...he *hates* lying.
A-a-ron is doing LOTS of damage to the CULT of Scientology. 😅😆😂
@fairyspunfibers9098 No you are outnumbered by at least 1million to 1.
Enjoy your pathetic life.
Everybody loves everybody in America. Youre so full of...love.@@MissSunriseDawn
A Aron - a man on a mission, who exudes authenticity. "Every day is a good day not to be in a cult". Upmost respect 💪👏👏👏👏
Es Una Secta
Authenticity? He's a damn narcissist and he lies constantly. He was even close to fucking up the Masterson case since he confronted a witness
A. A. Ron might have to stop saying “what do I know? I grew up in a cult!” I believe you know EXACTLY!!! Just kidding, never stop!
*Utmost ❤
@@johnnymeyer4253 so is your religion
I was very young when I fell into Scientology’s trap in search for something else in my life. I thank God for coming into my life 2 years after. I can feel his pain, his disappointment , his anger! Thanks Dr Jordan .
Thank you Dr. Peterson for having him on thank you AA Ron for doing what you do
I've been subscribed to both Dr. Petersons channel & of Aarons, 'Growing Up In Scientology' channel for many years. I never thought these 2 amazing men would have a meeting of the minds, & am thrilled that this interview has taken place.
After co-founding the Aftermath Foundation, Aaron has grown his channel to 225k Subscribers thanx to his refreshing honesty & openess with his viewers in every aspect of his sometimes painful life. His passion for exposing the cult of Scientology is unstoppable. He has exposed the abuses & flagrant violations of labor laws, child & elder abuse, credit card fraud, bait & switch programs, bribing of politicians, law enforcement, judges, & non-elected government officials; destroying families with their 'disconnection' policies & intimidating women to have abortions.
Scientology obtains their millions not only from celebrities & successful business people, but also on the backs of their average Scientologists whom often fall into bankruptcy by manipulation & intimidation of the 'Church'. Any members who want to leave the Church are "fair-gamed"; which means an open war of harrassing, stalking, threats against family, getting people fired, by the use of private investigators, undercover operatives, & other covert & overt tactics. Members have unalived themselves when 'fair-gamed' but these incidents as well as 3exua1 abuse are always hidden from authorities. Aaron has bravely expoused that Scientology has turned from quasi 'religion' to essentially a for profit business that buys prime real estate globally.
Congratulations to Aaron for his achievements in exposing these abuses, as well as his campaign to strip the IRS Tax Exemption from this business masquerading as a religion. Thank-you to Dr. Peterson for inviting Aaron to share his thoughts with this global audience. (Edited - Spelling)
I feel that this 1 1/2 hrs barely scratched the surface. I had hoped that the current day issues of Scientology could have been presented on this side of a pay wall.
@@RMBlake007If you go watch Aaron Smith Levin on Growing up in Scientology, there is no pay wall. Aaron tells it all and never holds anything back. I highly suggest it!
This is the big podcast Aaron was talking about a while ago?
@@sharifwilliams4153 Yes.
Well written comment. I agree 100%
No way! This is the collab of the year. When Aaron said he was going to be on a very famous podcast I hoped and prayed it would be Jordan Peterson!
you prayed? 😂
Never even guessed myself - I thought Tucker Carlson... thank God it was this! :)
I've never been a Scientologist (thank goodness!). However, I do follow Aaron and have learned a lot about this cult. I also have the utmost respect for Dr. Peterson and this is a fantastic discussion between these two.
I never thought it was Peterson either.
Good interview...
@@danatowne5498Tucker Carlson has the creepiest laugh I’ve ever heard.
Jordan Peterson this has been such an important moment. I have been waiting for you to have this discussion. Scientology is so destructive. Thank you Aaron for being you.
I have a degree in Religious Studies from NCSU. This angle of study fascinates me to NO END.
I'm so glad Peterson did this interview.
The Truth is always out there.
One of THE most informative interviews Aaron has ever done! 👏🏻👏🏻Bravo! I’ve heard the story 50 times and each time, Aaron reveals a little more about leaving the cult than I knew before. This was INCREDIBLE!!! Please, @Jodan B Peterson, reach out to more people who have escaped and have a greater purpose in the destruction of this cult. The abuses it’s allowed to commit on members would chill you to your core!
Well said...👍
@jordanbpeterson and @leahremini would be awesome
The questions seem longer than the answers.
@@rodo3287 He's trying to frame it in psychological terms. Loved it.
@@rodo3287 always.
NO WAY. A A RON & JORDAN?? Whatttt a combo!
L RON*
Yay it’s A.A.ron! This is huge!
YES!! My thoughts exactly!! This is awesome!
Came to say the same
ay-ayron? Bro no way I can’t believe ay-ayron is talking to Jordan!
Just imagine how many members there must be that want to leave this cult, yet are absolutely too terrified to do so.
If I were interesting enough to be interviewed by JP, I guarantee that I'd be unable to hold up my end in a compelling way like Aaron just did. I'd spend the whole time geeking out over the different angles JP approaches each subject from, how he can coax a more thorough explanation by his framing of a question.
I've heard Aaron's full story several times. This time was VERY different.
His story retold in an intellectual/philosophical context somehow just made me grasp his experience emotionally......wha?....how?
Bravo.
Huge surprise to see Aaron as a guest, RESPECT to you both!
Thank you both for telling the truth about scientology. What a horrible organization 😕. Hope it dissolves asap.
Great interview, Aaron is a very impressive narrator. Having been in the Sea Org for 20 years, I am moved by this interview. Thank you, Jordan.
Thank you, Mr. Peterson, for this interview. Aaron puts his heart and soul into his mission. I hope this helps enlighten others who are not familiar with this cult and saves them from so much heartache.
Oh, AARon, we love you. It’s so good to see how you are making a huge difference in this world.
Oh wow. Oh Mr. Aaron Smith-Levin. Bravo. It feels odd to say I'm proud of someone I don't know but I am so proud of Aaron Smith-Levin. You telling your story- particularly the difficult parts that are still hard to say- on such a huge platform- is nothing short of courageous and inspiring. You will likely never see this comment but I am putting this energy out anyway. Bravo.
Oh snap it’s A-a-Ron! Another SP in the comments here. Aaron is such a great story teller and explainer of things pertaining to Scientology. So happy to see him spreading the word.
Great job Ay-ay-ron! Two of my favorite people doing an interview together! AWESOME. ❤
I do believe this is the first over hour long interview I have ever watched in it's absolute entirety. In fact, I believe I managed to watch 1 hour and 35 mins of a 1 hour and 25 min video.
Thank you Jordan B Peterson. I may not always aggree with you but I will have your back on this one.
Shame he has had to be so interrupted & hoping this exposure offers some more interviewers that are middle & less agenda driven.
I highly disagree with you. He’s a psychiatrist, so of course he finds this completely interesting. He just seems really excited and he’s asking great questions that the guest seems happy to answer.
@@natamae6619*psychologist
I’m so happy that you chose Aaron! He’s brought many of us “unaware” of the atrocities going on in Scientology.
PLEASE have Aaron on again. I love your inquiry into Scientology and Aaron’s ability to answer.
The seduction I got from the conversation was, at each 'level'
1) Nothing is your fault
2) You're special
3) You can save humanity
Each of these would draw you in deeper.
For a lark, my BFF and I went to a Scientology recruitment meeting. We were grilled, double-teamed, and each told that the other had joined. We were told that as 'clears' we would be able to fly and manipulate reality at will. What a hoot. (we didn't join)
That must’ve been weird. And I thought the timeshare pitches of the 1980s were the ultimate B.S. rip-off that held you captive for your entire lifetime.
I’d like to point out that those selfsame three points are the basis of Woke thinking.
But what about "pulling it in" where everything that happens to you IS your fault? That's a tenet of Scientology.
@@watchingu2bnot until you are already sucked in by them.
Yeah, he told a lot of lies.
Shoutout to Aaron for not politicizing his message and being willing to be on a more left leaning podcast like H3H3 as well as a right leaning one with Dr. Peterson !!👍🏽
Oh A-Aron! More tears! They are so endearing. And in front of Jordan Peterson …RUclips’s OTHER emotional warrior. Never change. Either of you. ❤️
WOW!! What a duo to be able to watch together. From one truth teller (Aaron) to another (Jordan). Way to go Aaron, your cause is supported 🇨🇦. Great choice of a guest Jordan!
Aaron is a good man! So happy to see him here talking with Dr. Peterson! Fantastic 😊
AARon is so eloquent and succinct. Scientology done messed with the wrong one!
I’ve always wondered what exactly Scientology was. Fantastic interview.
This is not an accurate portrayal of Scientology. It is a warped and twisted view fueled by his (admitted) desire for revenge.
This just scratches the surface.
@cryptoeatstheworld3379
It is a TOTALLY ACCURATE portrayal of this twisted, EVIL CULT.
REMEMBER: we have ALLLL of HUB-BUTT'S writings. And, allll of the "updates" created by your itty-bitty Captain of the fake space navy, Davey Miscavige. AND...we have read them. WE know what Sciento is all about...AND WE HATE IT for the sick organization it is!
BYE, OSA! Go where you're wanted. 😅
SO...Liar, liar, pants on fire!
@@cryptoeatstheworld3379what parts are not accurate?
@@klaj6595 Honestly much more than I have time to correct in this comment.
For one, Aaron sat there and intentionally dd not correct Jordan when he mistakenly tried to compare how and E-Meter works to GSR - completely wrong and Aaron knew it but it suited his purposes to let Jordan make that mistake.
For another, The whole Xenu thing is a complete red herring. First of all Aaron is claiming knowledge of confidential OT levels THAT HE HAS NEVER DONE. I know Aaron. He never even reached Clear, let alone OT levels, so all he is doing is repeating other people's rumors about that. But besides that, if you were to read THE MAJORITY OF ALL THE MATERIALS IN SCIENTOLOGY you would find ZERO references to this "Xenu". Let's assume for argument's sake that it is mentioned in one of the OT levels. Even if that is true, it would be a reference to some event that happened in a PAST LIFE, not a central tenet of the religion, as is always portrayed.
Scientology worships no gods at all as part of the religion, unless you are also part of another religion and you worship one from that (which is OK because Scientology is ALL-DENOMINATIONAL).
People keep trying to paint Scientology as a "cult" but the whole idea of a cult is controlling WHAT YOU BELIEVE. But Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard say the OPPOSITE OF THAT -- that you should not take ANYTHING in Scientology on faith and you should test every claim of Scientology to see if it is true for you. Plus it has no problem with someone being part of Scientology and another religion at the same time. What kind of cult does that? It doesn't make sense and the more you compare these claims to Scientology and what it really is the less and less Aaron's claims make sense.
I always appreciate JP sharing his theoretical framework for psychotherapy.
Aaron is as real and well-spoken as it gets. Thank you both for this enlightened discussion.
I’m so happy for you Aaron! Such a great conversation!
Such a great venue to bring even more attention to the evils of that horrific cult. Thank you, Dr. Peterson, for hosting Aaron.
Dr. Peterson. It’s an honor to be a subscriber. May God continue to bless you and your family.
"Rather be scientoligist than woke" Jordan Peterson is the bomb.
Wow, that was the most riveting dive into Scientology I have ever witnessed. I will be thinking about this for Days!! Aaron, you are an absolutely astounding voice in this fight!
Wow, so glad to see AAron being interviewed by none other than Dr. Peterson! I have followed Aaron for several months now, so I'm sure I will enjoy this, although I imagine from Aaron's perspective it "wasn't pretty". Kudos to your RUclips success Aaron and much gratitude to Dr. Peterson for doing this interview! 👌🫶🙏
I have followed Aaron for awhile now and always appreciate his truthfulness and sincere compassion for the hurting. This interview was fascinating. Excellently done JP!
You have no clue if he is telling you the truth even if he tells you he is. He's been caught is so many lies it's hard to believe he is telling the truth about anything.
Oh my gosh ! Aaron!!! I’m so happy for you to be on Jordan Peterson bro!!!! I am a huuuuuuuge fan of Mr. Peterson!!!
Aaron, i know it must take an immense amount of courage to do these interviews. Great job both of you!
Big fan of you both. Great conversation to highlight this family destroying cult!
Thank you for exposing the lie of Scientology.
Great talk. I had no idea Scientology is such a hard core cult. As a spiritist I can tell that Scientology is doing a disservice to educate people about the spiritual world. Thank you Dr. Peterson for this enlightening interview.
This was an amazing conversation Very well done. Clearly there wasn't enough time to delve into the huge topic of how Scientology utterly destroys
lives in so many ways. You certainly touched the tip of the iceberg and perhaps you will have more interviews delving deeper.
In any case, this was a wonderfully well done and informative interview. Thank you so very much !.👍
Thank you Dr, for having Aaron on. I've also been following him for some time. Sending love❤❤❤
Thank you for this excellent tour around these ideologies. Very objective and descriptive.
I finally understood the "Scientology" concept. Thank you, I really enjoyed your chat.
WOW incredible interview...thank you Dr Peterson....another great 1.5 hr lecture....PHEW
JORDON! Thank you for interviewing Aaron Levin. This interview is huge and so important for the SP community exposing Scientology. Thank you from my bottom of my heart. Love you!
Hi it truly makes me happy seeing you and Aaron together, you conduct an incredible interview with incredible Aaron. It feels exactly what was needed to happe.
Love seeing you and *Aaron* together on your podcast 🤍〰️🕯️
Respectfully, Grace 🩰
Hey JBP. I'm glad to see you are looking so well. It took you about as much time to recover as you were so ill, it seems. But you are looking very good again. Not so gaunt, not so pale, much more animated in your facial expressions. So good to see you back to that level! Be blessed.
I noticed it too
This is crazy. I never would have guessed that Aaron would show up on Dr. Peterson's channel. This should be interesting!
I've watched many of both of your gentlemen's videos in the last year. This one was special, seeing you together! This discussion really helped me understand better what an individual sacrifices when they leave this cult, not so much about the terrible disconnection from families (as devastating as that is) or the awful "fair game" tactics but the deeply personal dislocation from earnest and long held beliefs. Thank you both.
Very well stated. Thank you for articulating what I was muddling over and unable to sort out.
All the best.
@@annenelson5656 Thanks for your comment. Cheers!
@dlmsarge8329
Beautifully put! 👍💕
WHAT?!?! Thank you Dr. Peterson for bringing on Aaron to talk!!!
Also, 41:54 literally describes Tom Cruise 😂😂😂
Dad!!! Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet!
That's all I think about is how truly SMALL Tom Cruise seems to me mentally, before I ever knew of his actual height & his complex of little man syndrome. He wibt stand next to or have his picture taken where his height is overshadowed-literally. 😅😅😅
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You aren't wrong there! Tom's ego, by now, must be the size of the entire Galactic Federation, thanks to Miscavidge.
He must feel extremely superior to every person on Earth.
And. That. Is. Sickening!
I wish so badly there was a meet and greet VIP package. I wanna shake the hand of the man who helped me change my life in ways I could never have guessed. Thank you so much Dr. Peterson for your contributions to the mental and physical health of me all around the world.
I would truly love, and I do mean love to the fullest definition of the word, to see Mr Peterson comment on early Hubbard seminar's where he explains many of the things you touch on in this video. The upper level stuff does not have readily available Seminar's for. But the entry seminar's that boosted the population of Scientology to it's highest points were arguably brilliant (given the success of Scientology). Watching a Peterson reaction/break down video over Hubbard's most famous Seminars would be incredibly powerful to waking people up to the cult they find themselves in.
Example: The e-meter is easily one of Scientology's most successful tools. One could easily argue Scientology would not exist if the e-meter had not accompanied it. When Mr. Peterson spoke about the galvanometer and that it was being studied by Psychology dozens of years (at least?) before Scientology and is still used to this day, was actually incredibly surprising to me. I assure you, most, if not all, Scientologists believe that the e-meter technology was entirely an invention of Hubbard.
Because he, the source' said he invented it.
I believe now we know who he stole it from!!!
Thank you for covering this. And Aaron; a man with so much courage to face the horrors of Scientology.
Love that you did this interview with Aaron. I have been watching him for a while and it’s great that you two have gotten together for this conversation!!
I read Dianetics in the early 90s and was fascinated by the simplicity and sensibility of it. But I never found someone to 'clear' me and just sort of put the book on a shelf. But it was still in the back of my mind as something to consider. That is, until the day I saw the story on LRH about his college self bragging to friends that the best way to get rich was to start a religion. Oh, and then the alien stuff...suddenly, it got real goofy real quick. I'm glad I never went down that rabbit hole.
I found this quite shocking. My cousin is heavily involved in Scientology and lives in Florida. She has two sons as well that both work for the organisation as well. What a nightmare situation and organisation. Crazy
So how has she harmed you or the family exactly?
There are many good discussions by many ex-Scientology members, if you’re interested in learning more.
If you have concern about your family members, please know if you even hint at anything negative against Scientology they are obligated to disconnect from you. So tread lightly. From my understanding anyone trying to wake someone up 1. Stay in touch, be a non judging safe place for them 2. Send them information about other cults and perhaps they’ll make the connection on their own.
Interesting how easily you accept a story without any real verification.
@@mickmurphy5680 Right! Yet plenty of evidence of aaron's sleaziness starting with the police body cam footage showing where he got kicked out of a bar where he drunkenly called a woman he had been stalking the "C" word 5 times until the woman's boyfriend punched in the head. Not the first time police were called on him for being drunk and harassing women then refusing to leave when told to.
@@valerieceniceros3431 Well that is baloney. No one is obligated to disconnect from anyone because they even hinted at something negative. Don't be a drama queen, and don't fib. It just in not nice at all.
This feels like I’m introducing two of my friends who have never met each other before.
So happy you got to talk with Aaron, thank you for the interesting conversation Mr Peterson.
Was not expecting to be crying right along with you, Aaron. Gut wrenching. Thank you for sharing this.
What an awesome interview! Beautifully done. A-Aron is a force!!!
Thank you sir for serving humanity.
I tried before growing up to an acceptable age. Keep up our many good challenges. 👍🏼. And God dang the dangerous acceptable.
Great interview Dr. Peterson, both compelling and intriguing. The most powerful factor for me is that there are often understandable human reasons for joining a cult. There is much compassion in acknowledging that. Also, even though it is difficult to leave one, that it is possible, even after decades, through the simple realizations of what our own individual values actually are! This is important!! Thank you, this one is propelling me to check out more of your interesting podcasts.
Thank you both for this meaningful and lovely, informative, courageous and giving conversation! Absolutely amazing on several levels ❤
Thank you both for a great breakdown of Scientology and the related psychological traps that are implemented. It was a brave interview with a unique inside view of the complicated “religion “. If I am remembering correctly, Hubbard presented his methods to psychiatry and was rejected by the field. It’s a shame that tax exempt status is another way to divert money to this destructive organization.
You are correct. In the original versions of Dianetics he thanks Freud for his role in furthering the understanding of mental health.
After they rejected him, rightly so, he removed that foreword. Then made a sharp turn from the mostly benign Dianetics into the destructive Scientology.
Of course,, the savings of all that tax revenue really helped!!
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@@bethotoole6569 I remember that old book; I even found a June 1950 edition. Editors put all sorts of junk in those that didn't tally with other writings. The 1950 one even had a schematic of the mind! Even had something for the people getting dianetics to do that was bogus. I think it said that Freud was to be thanked for saying something could be done about it and certainly not crediting Freud for doing anything.
@ellebelle4094
"Editors put all sorts of junk in those that didn't tally with other writings."
PROOF?
NO, they didn't. Try again, OSA-LIAR!
@@fairyspunfibers9098
Back in the '50's when it was first published it was less common to invent or edit statements that were published on behalf books.
I had a friend who was in publishing back in the 50's-60's.
@@fairyspunfibers9098 So, how many editions of the book did you review? None. You're just a troll and tabloid junkie. You'll believe anything .
Wow. So glad this happened. Wondered who you being interviewed by!! 2 great people right here !
I cannot help but cry along with Mr. Levin about the cult destroying families. I am glad there is no more Cadet Org channeling children right into the Sea Org.
Thank You Both (and crews) for a groundbreaking example of Teamwork!
10:39 I agree in my case, your theories of why Aaron’s mom joined VERY much mirror my path into Scientology. Was in for over 20 years. Out for a few years now.
Well, this was magnificent! Peterson, I enjoyed hearing you translate Scientology into more general theory, A-A-Ron, impressive that you met him on that level, and Peterson, your structured questioning, building Scientology into an understandable edifice--was something special! A-A-Ron, I've never seen your intellect displayed/used this way--impressive--and your emotion always makes everything so real and you so lovable! ❤❤❤
This is such a great interview. I've listened to Aaron's channel for awhile now and I've heard his story before but this time I was in tears right along with him. Thank you both for your work exposing the darkness in this world.
was on a journey, did scientology early 70's . a crock of 'belief' crap! next, i did est, nothing to 'believe' .. my life was a breakthrough
Thank you Dr. Peterson for having Aaron from growing up in Scientology (the cult) on your program. I learned even more tonight - your brilliance along with Aaron who is brilliant also captured me. I’ve been a lurker on Aaron’s channel since Leah Remini’s the Aftermath and I’ve watched him grow in his precise representation of this cult- with humor, his tears and his fierceness.
Watch you both. Great to see you having this conversation. So cool.
Great to see you on JP's show A-A-ron! Fantastic discussion!
Thank you for putting this together. I have gained even more insights from Aaron. My heart goes out to Aaron and his family. As someone who grew up in a church (later determined to be a cult) that solicited fracturing of family relationships I feel less alone. The irony is the very religion that taught me to work towards not ending up in hell in the next life set the very conditions for creating the closest thing I see as hell right here on earth 🥴
There is a small church in Sherman, Tx. called Faith Church that practices the same abuses and has for decades. It was formerly named First Pentecostal and made major tv news headlines in the 80's.
@@yvettejk I grew up in the Worldwide Church of God. They were featured on Netflix highlighting the abuses in the 80s. I didn't experience anything that severe. In Australia we were in a loving community however when the church fell apart my father lost his way, I lost friends and the toxic damages of the cult are still being felt today.
What an interesting duo. We need to get the evils of Scientology out in any way we can. This is a perfect platform
I remember way back in the day Dianetics being pushed a LOT on TV. It was basically advertised a sort of “I Ching” of all the answers for everything that was ever wrong in your life and the way to fix it. I was as a much younger person fascinated but didn’t act on it. I was horrified to find out who L Ron Hubbard was and that his book was actually a direct path to scientology. No telling how many people got sucked in by that commercial alone.
I remember way back then. I was a kid. My sister who is 10 yrs my senior, bought that dianetics book. I remember seeing it in our living room and having curiosity about it from seeing the commercials on TV. One day I casually flipped though that book and just read some random pages. I might have gotten through one chapter and thought it was jibberish written by some crackpot. Mind you I would have been 11, maybe 12. Even as a child I could immediately see that whole thing was some crazy bs crock of scam. Only years later did I realize it was scientology and nobody even heard of or knew what scientology was at the time they pushed 'dianetics'.
And when I told my sister that wacky dianetics book she had bought years ago, was actually scientology, she said that she could only bear reading through a chapter or two herself and found it way too bizarre back then.
I'm confounded as how two kids can see dianetics and scientology as insane, but some adults fell for it 🤪
I liked L Ron Hubbards Sci Fi books. I never knew until I was older that he was the leader of a Cult.
I was a teenager when my older sister brought home Dianetics.
I think she had to do a report on it. She couldn't make it through. I read it for her and did the report.
Biggest piece of horse pucky I've ever read. Absolute drivel...
When I was in college during the 1970s someone left a copy of Dianetics in the common room of my dorm. I flipped through it and thought it didn’t make any sense and was badly written. If it had been mine I would’ve thrown the book into the fireplace, but since it was not my copy I just left it. I don’t know whatever happened to it.
My grandfather, who was a very practical and skeptical guy who lived through the depression had a copy. Was always wondering what it was about growing up. Then I went down the Tom Cruise rabbit hole one day....hard to believe it gets tax breaks for being a religion.
Very interesting. I’m struggling with a question I have…what’s the difference between a cult and organized religion. I grew up Mormon and I feel I could have a similar discussion with Dr. Peterson about how I was raised in the Mormon faith and why I left. My story feels similar.
There's no hard line. Usually a cult will have an unquestionable leader that you have to obey, they funnel money from you, disconnect you from anyone who might wake you up to the disfunction, sexual abuse, physical abuse, drug abuse, intenselove when you'reo obedient and intense hatred if you question anything. You have to look at it, take everything into consideration, and make a judgment on their abuses or lack of abuses. Asking yourself if this feels similar to an abusive romantic relationship is good bar.
What an interview! Loved it. I fully support Aaron. His unflinching dedication to helping spread the truth is inspiring.
WOW! AAron. This was not exactly the place I thought you meant, when you said you went on a big podcast/channel............ Good to see you in a different environment.
Two of my favorite people on RUclips. Thank you for this
I grew up Mormon and can relate so much to what is being said. One of the strongest Christian gospel notions of testing the truth that helped me was.
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The second really strong gospel notion that hit me was.
Jeremiah 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Wonderful interview and perspective. Ty for having him on.
EVERY DAY IS A GREAT DAY NOT TO BE IN A CULT!❤
I absolutely love Aaron as a person and his outro is my absolute favorite!