"Would Kirk have insisted that Spock strip down and sing the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins?" ...this image is somehow hilarious, awesome, and mentally scarring all at the same time...I almost wish they had done it.
In fact. In the episode "The Hounds of the Baskervilles" Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock quotes Spock as saying: If you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. Nimoy sang the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins, and Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman starred the Hobbit movies together.
@@samuelbarber4154 I don't know if Spock ever said that. Data definitely did but he was quoting Holmes. So it Benedict Cumberbatch said it while playing Holmes he was speaking original dialogue.
I bet Spock would do it. The 23rd century seems to have less hang ups about nudity than we do in the 21st. A Vulcan would probably find it illogical to be embarrassed by ones own naked body since embarrassment is a human emotion. If it would provide an effective distraction then it is logical to do it.
You know what would have been interesting? The "God" Sha Karee turned out to be Gary Mitchell from the second pilot episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before". He might not have died and powers grew throughout the years, meaning he has grown beyond the need for physical form.
While I like the idea I’m not sure if it’s the best choice to have a twist that relies on knowledge of an episode that aired over 20 years ago. Yes Wrath of Khan was a sequel to a Season 1 episode but it made sure to recap what happened at the start of the film. Kinda hard to do the same thing during the climax
@@skibot9974 that is understandable. I just thought it would be a neat idea. I even did a video relating to it, but I don't want anyone to think I'm self-promoting in a comment of someone else's video.
that last line of McCoy's at the end"i liked him better before he died" was actually a running joke in my first rpg group's first campaign. my character sacrificed himself MULTIPLE time's and grew increasingly disgruntled with being revived.
Funny thing. According to Gene Roddenberry, Vulcans have eight senses: the standard five, psionics, perfect sense of time, and Nome. Nome is an instinctive recognition of what humans would consider God. So why was Sybok banished for believing in something every Vulcan is aware of?
CruelestChris Gene seemed to be of the opinion that whether you worship God, Allah, Jehovah, Zeus or Buddha - it is all God. That the Divine is not one thing but all of them in some measure. The differences were in how we perceive and choose to worship, not in the actual Divine.
From what I’ve read there was a lot of bad blood between Roddenberry and Shatner. If Shatner was aware of that tidbit I wouldn’t be surprised if he purposely ignored it
This is not going to make me popular... but the more I learn about Gene Roddenberry, the more I get the feeling that he was a total hack who accidentally struck gold/oil/whatever once. None of the three extra things qualify as senses in a scientific understanding of the term. Nothing he did before or after the original series was any good. The first movie doesn't count for me because its good parts are all reused from episodes of the series. That TNG survived his "leadership" and horrible creative control in the first season is a minor miracle.The fact that he was an absolute cheating pig and jerk to the women he had relationships with, enabled abusers, and that he was a massive cokehead doesn't endear him to me either.
One thing that might actually make ST5 make sense is that the whole thing is actually a dream from Kirk. The Mary sueing of Kirk, a naked Uhara, the bad effects, the crew acting like fools, the fear of his crew turning on him, Spock abandoning him for some family member, the "evil" Klingons, and the new enterprise being a piece of junk are all in Kirks fantasy. Of course this was never Shatners intent, but it would explain the plot holes and inconsistencies to the franchise as a whole.
In the unlikely event of me being foolish enough to ever watch the film again, I'll do so with this theory in mind. You might be on to something! It would explain the deck numbers getting jumbled up in the lift shaft... 🤔
"Gotta love the highly logical and tolerant Vulcans." I feel like an easy fix for that would be for him to just willingly leave the home world due an utter lack of followers in his ideas. It doesn't sound like something that would really take off among the Vulcans.
27:10 - my headcanon for ‘God’ from this movie has always been that he’s got something to do with a species from a TNG episode where the Ent-D also travels to the centre of the galaxy and also meets an alien species that’re just big giant heads. Difference is that the TNG aliens were genuinely benevolent instead of malevolent like this guy. I headcanon it to be that the one from this film was a member of the same species and was a criminal or something that they’d imprisoned on Sha Ka Re.
The kind of sad part is Star Trek five actually does have some really good scenes, setups, and ideas. A rogue Vulcan looking for "God." A desert planet where the utopia of the Federation doesn't exist and the normally antagonistic reps of the three major forces are pretty much apathetic to each other. A meditation on whether our "pain" is a weakness or a strength. The possibility of Kirk, cut off from the loyal and talented crew and forced to work without them. Some actually good exchanges and bits of dialog. Sadly the film does little to capitalize on any of it and while it isn't without it's charms it really does feel like a film that's...less than the sum of its parts so to speak. For me though I've found if you watch it as the first film of the series instead of the fifth (and ignore a line of dialog or two) it's actually a little better. Not perfect mind you but it does feel more like a bridge between the original series and the films, fills in a couple plot holes, and foreshadows a few things that pay off in the later films.
The redeeming part of this movie is the banter between the trio, and the secret pains of Bones and Spock. Of course, it'd also be nice to see Kirks', but that would make him look less of a God. God damn it, Shatner.
@@Tareltonlives To be fair, what would you have given for Kirks pain? The only obvious one, i feel, is seeing David die again. Otherwise, you'd **really** have to be creative in what that pain would be.
19:22 - Dear God, that image of the Klingon smiling is terrifying. Also, since it's right at the same time stamp that whole business about them trying to fly to the center of the galaxy? Well, I'm not surprised no ship has ever been able to do that, since the center of the galaxy is a supermassive black hole.
+Mitzrayim 13 TNG was always mine though I usually skip the first season as it's PAINFUL to sit through and everyone acts with the wit and charm of cardboard. It's Season 2 and onwards when the cast really hits the ground running and gel together. I am and always shall be a Star Wars fan but I'd be remissed if I didn't also dabble in Trek though I stick to TNG and DS9. Fuck Voyager. Why? BECAUSE OF FUCKING NELLIX. Damn he's annoying, just ask SF Debris and I like his ad Scientist Janeway interpretation.
Webshooters1 I got into TNG at seadon 3 so I was a little disappointed when I went back to s1. Some great episodes like Measure of a Man, but mostly terrible. I haven't watched Voyager yet but I plan too.
18:30 Man, Sean Connery would've made an awesome Dumbledore. I want to go to the parallel universe where _that_ version of the Harry Potter films was made.
...sorry, but to have that world means that you don't use Richard Harris, and that would seem tragic to me. It's the difference between James Bond and King Arthur, and Arthur is far more fitting to me (and the reason Harris did it is far more meaningful).
Star Trek 5, as Linkara says, is a train wreck with a few decent parts. I love Jerry Goldsmith's musical score (Though My Favourite Star Trek Musical score is the one from 'Star Trek: First Contact'). Dr McCoy has some of his best moments ( especially during the campfire scene). I also find Laurence Luckenbill's performance as Sybok to be one of the most compelling in the original film series (in spite of the stupidities within the film's script). We can credit Peter David (My favourite Hulk and Aquaman writer) for the improved adaptation for the comic. I find Sybok to be a character that actually has some potential in Star Trek Discovery.
McCoy: "Other people have families!" Kirk: "Other people, Bones. Not us." Spock (Linkara): "Actually, both my father and my mother are still alive." McCoy (Linkara): "Aw shut up, Spock!" Spock (Linkara): "Also, you still owe me ten bucks."
I really wish someone would update English style guides to properly reflect generally understood standards already in use on the internet instead of just what a bunch of eggheads think is "proper", but until then, you are the best kind of correct Mr. Boo Please don't use your powers of destruction on me :)
I'm pretty sure that the book adaptation explained that Sybok himself adapted the Enterprise's shields to enable them to breech the barrier, and that the follow up Klingon ship actually studied the shield changes, and emulated them so that they, too, could pass the barrier.
I can’t even say why, but this is my favorite review of yours. For whatever reason, whenever I’m bored and want some light entertainment, this video is the first thing that comes to mind.
Younger as in he was not as experienced even though he does not age like we do he still would go through the stages of learning and maturing as they evolved
What gets me about the whole "Entry beyond the Great Barrier" thing...they did it! The enterprise went into the center of the galaxy before, in the animated series. there is an episode where the meet satan (Seriously) and they go through the barrier where they see a planet that is similar to the Salem Witch era (serious) and this is where all of the magix came came from and legends of Satan came from (I swear I am not making this up!!!). I think they even went close to the barrier in the original show too!
Marsh melons... Okay, if someone can get on genetically engineering melons that taste like marshmallows, or better yet, a marshmallow crop that grows as big as a melon, I would be VERY appreciative.
Officially... There never WAS a Star Trek 5. Unoffically, nearly 20 years after the franchise was created, the studio almost brought it to a cataclysmic end by giving a pretentious blowhard near-complete creative control over his own movie. The horrors that were unleashed still haunt me to this day...
The 'Mad Magazine' parody of this comic/movie was only one page long. But it pretty much told the whole story in that limited space. Nice review of this comic book movie!
Even if the film was made during the 1988 writer's strike, had budget cuts and lacked the original intended star of Sean Connery (who was busy filming Indy 3 and went on to The Hunt For The Red October). I've always reckon had Connery done Star Trek V it would've made the fifth film way more famous even if it still turned out badly. Sybok being played by Sean Connery against the Star Trek cast would've been monumentally epic to say the least! Laurence Luckinbill as cast on his ability to act and cos he bore a small resemblance to Connery perhaps, but clearly the role was meant for only for Connery though. So wished he would've played the part and played off Nimoy's Spock! And had Sybok as a very unique Vulcan with passionate emotions running through him!
Something like that kinda happens at the end of the movie, with God manifesting as Sybok, but that didn't really make a lot of sense, just like everything else in the movie.
If you were a strong telepath it's conceivable that you could make someone forget traumatic events from their past. Just take away their pain by making it like it never happened for them. Charles Xavier has made people forget things happen a few times and he threatens it in the movies. Alternatively Sybok tells people to share their pain with him and gain strength from the sharing. This could be like when you talk to people about what's bothering you and you feel better just from talking even if you didn't solve anything yet. But it's an extreme version of that because it's telepathic. He could be giving years of therapy in minutes by mind melding and at the same time brainwashing people to his cause.
I love the movie, and thought I was the only one. maybe because I was raised in a religious strict home where this was the first thing that told me it was ok to question God. or should i say Dogma. regardless this silly little film was the first film I saw that showed me Star Trek could challenge your perceptions. which I think is the reason a lot of people don't care for it. regardless of its flaws it will always in away hold a place in my heart.
to be fair, Kirk fighting the doctor couldn't have been much worse than that one time the Doctor did. I mean, The Impossible Planet was GREAT, but it's second part? ...not so much.
In response to your ruminations section, I read the trilogy of books with the Borg invasion and the retcon about their origins and the parts of the trilogy that were related to the retcon were weak and I just started skimming those parts after awhile. I enjoyed the rest of the trilogy, though.
Oh, huh. There's moar. Wait. Adapted by Peter David? ... That actually makes a lot of sense; go on. ...Will Oldham? Actually, point to Peter David here: One of the, ah, geekier complaints against this movie is Kirk's line about having lost a brother once, but gotten him back... without any mention of, as you said, George Samuel "Sam" Kirk, the actual brother he lost. So, while it's not in the movie, that could explain why Kirk, in the middle of falling to his death, thinks, "Sam..." When you describe the "experiment" like that, it really does make more sense -- or, at least, instead of "and then the drought killed it", the governments in question gave up this experiment in brotherhood at the first major setback, even if, as you say, they could've tried another, better-suited planet, or something. Gonna transcribe another puppy here: "Ah, the warrior spirit! Provoking interplanetary incidents because you're bored! 8D" "Uhh, normally, I would offer to 'free you from your pain', but right now, I *really* don't wanna see what's going on inside your head." I was about to say -- Sybok never does do his thing to Captain Kirk, himself, but... "Alright, pop quiz. Shuttle, cult leader with a hostage..." Sean Connery was going to play Sybok? ... Huh. I can see where they would think that, yeah. ...so. Sybok's "find your deepest pain" trick. ... I think there's something to it. But, no, even if you do have some kind of driving, unacknowledged pain, working it out and acknowledging it is just one step, however important. Having his followers suddenly be all smiles the moment he's done makes me think that, if we want to give this story that much credit, something less... beneficial is going on there. Like, "ignore your past altogether". In fact, ignore everything, and trust in this one guy, and don't forget to smile all the time, especially when you're pointing a gun at someone and fully prepared to fire. I still like that line from an incredulous Captain Kirk, still thinking this is crazy. "Well, don't just stand there. *God's* a busy man!" And, yeah, the thing claiming to be God responds to Kirk blowing a "What does God need with a starship?"-shaped hole in all of its plans with LIGHTNING, even as it becomes increasingly obvious that it's not, in fact, what any of those concerned would call God, by any means. That said, this is the first I've heard of it, but that rock monster looks *cool.* Though, even by the standards of the movie-slash-comic, I'm not sure what it would have had to do with anything. Does the comic explain its... presence? "...though the artwork *does* have this cool part where he has, like, half a *skull* for a second. Awesome."
Linkara, as someone who likes you a lot, and whose opinion of you remains unchanged, how dare you tell people they can't be disgusted by a naked older woman! Would you shame a lesbian for being disgusted at the sight of a naked man? Would you shame a strait guy for being disgusted at the sight of a 12-year-old girl trying to seduce him? No? Why not? Is it because when it comes to sexual attraction everyone is entitled to like what they like and be disgusted by what disgusts them? Yes. Yes, it is. You HAVE to respect people's basic instinctual preferences in these subjects, and that includes "Oh god, she's old! EW!" It is perfectly fine to find older people repulsive in terms of sexual attraction. For shame, Lewis. You're a gentleman. You're better than this.
I think the rock monster looks pretty cool. Mind you, I love the Galaxy Quest joke about it. "IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY VULNERABLE SPOTS!" "Then you're just have to find out what it wants. What's its motivation?" "IT'S A ROCK MONSTER! IT DOESN'T HAVE A MOTIVATION!" "See, this is why you were never serious about the craft"
I don't hate Star Trek V; I think it has some interesting ideas and the cast are all in fine form (even if some of their scenes are a bit iffy). But I do think it's problems are tough to ignore. I know all the behind the scenes stuff really hamstrung what could have been a better film, but (and all due respect to William Shatner) the central problem is bringing religion with "real" deities into Star Trek ALWAYS falls short. No matter what religion they pick, and no matter how they come down on it- Jesus himself could appear and baptize Chekov- they will end up alienating a huge portion of the audience. It's a true no-win scenario. The basic bones of the story: a zealot taking diplomats hostage and the Enterprise racing against a borderline renegade Klingon out for his own glory against Kirk (possibly a relative of Kruge or someone we've established earlier like whatever John Larroquette's character's name was) could have made an excellent film. Oh well, what could have been...
5:11 Damn! I finally see you reviewing a comic written by Peter David (at least I think you haven't done so far. There are too many AT4W episodes for me to see), and it's not a original script of his. Just an adaptation. Sigh. I will just keep waiting, then.
+JohnnyElRed i suspect it'll be a long wait as peter david is a consistantly great writer and moooooooost of his works wouldn't really qualify for AT4W
I'm sure somebody has told you this since this episode first aired, but there is no such thing as a non-fatal gunshot wound. You can die just easily from getting shot in the leg as you can by getting shot in the heart.
You are wrong by definition. Fatal wound in medical terms means a wound that proves fatal instantly or unstoppable. You are technically correct though, yes any wound will eventually bleed out but it takes a long ass time.
+Jake Jutras You are both correct. While it is possible to be shot and survive, be it through timely medical intervention or otherwise, there is no place on the human body where a person can be shot and is absolutely guaranteed to survive. That's why the idea of police/soldiers "shooting to wound" is a false myth. If you shoot another human being at all, you're essentially shooting to kill, even if the victim does survive.
Linkara, I have to admit, you're position about DC retconning movies in their comics is irrefutable. When I finally got my hands on the 1988 Aliens comics a few years ago, I found to my disappointment that they made some serious errors (like the one with Hicks using a shotgun in the elevator scene rather than his pulse rifle, this edit is infamous because it made it into the crappy Aliens Colonial Marines game as Hick's back story despite Gearbox "doing research"). Other than that, the comic was meant to be a sequel to Aliens, but it ends up just as ridiculous as Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection because the writers forgot about Ripley and Bishop, to which (years later) they replied with "oops, we totally forgot". Marvel was never that bad with their movie adaptations.
Some of the changes may not actually be retcons at all.....As in most cases adaptions are made at the same time as the movie to be released around the same time so they often are made based around the planned script but if changes are made that arent major (Like say if the Klingons had been replaced by Romulans) then they often get left in the final comic but in reality it was the movie that changed it up
You know, it's a bad film but I also don't hate it. I will defend "what does God need with a starship," and the final shot with the three of them singing around the campfire was for my money one of the most touching moments with those three together. "I've always know I'll die alone," however. I won't defend that. lol
Actually, this movie is a little bit smarter than you think. One of it's messages, is that you cannot find God in this universe, or in some special place. It's like searching for Shakespeare in one of his plays as a character. This messages was brought up by manny theological thinkers, C.S.Lewis for example. And I assume that it's not far stretched to say that, this thing they found....well.....was something close to a Satan. It has also manny similarities with the mythical "Evil One". Just like Satan, it pretended to be a God and strived for it's place without understanding what being God means, it was metahuman but was not all powerfull and it used human soul for it's own purpouses, especially "wise men" who thought they knew everything.
Religion in Star Trek tends to not be done exceptionally well; and by 1987-ish William Shatner should have known better. And while I've heard stories about cast and crew wanting specific changes (Nimoy and Kelly refusing to act in ways their characters wouldn't for example), I've never heard of anyone trying to talk Shatner out of the core idea.
21:20 - God, what's up with McCoy's face? It looks like he's inviting Kirk to Risa. Come to think of it, none of the happy brainwashed slaves' expressions look realistic, and while it could be intentional, it feels like a poor artistic rendering.
I have the novelization of this movie! (I think of TOS the only one I'm missing is WoK.) Overall, I thought it was better than the movie...EXCEPT for all the "jokes" about how Ambassador St. John is or is not super saintly. The name isn't PRONOUNCED St. John. It's pronounced Sinjin! Except it's been so long since I've seen this movie that for all I know it WAS pronounced incorrectly in the movie, too.
Yeah, this movie is awful, but not the worst; just a crappy, no-budget ego trip. It's funny when these adaptations are actually better than the original movie.
@@nathanhuerta4445 been a while since I read it but I remember a lot of specifying by a killer quoting Shakespeare. Same kind of deal as Khan from Star Trek II but with Shakespeare and not Herman Melville. A more direct parralel would be Chang from The Undiscovered Country as both quote Shakespeare prolifically. Just remember this reading it; this was back before Batman had a total of six villains and he had a new threat every week with few exceptions. It was the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers era of Batman if you will.
Um... did Spock got his 10 bucks in the end? And the Naked Uhura plan was just a rip off of Timon's Hoola dancing from Lion King. Or the other way around, idk.
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"Would Kirk have insisted that Spock strip down and sing the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins?"
...this image is somehow hilarious, awesome, and mentally scarring all at the same time...I almost wish they had done it.
Kyle Flanagan what? Spock being naked and singing:
In the middle of the earth, in the land of shire, there's a brave little Hobbit who we all admire.
jekblom123 he was Sherlock Holmes once.
In fact. In the episode "The Hounds of the Baskervilles" Benedict Cumberbatch's Sherlock quotes Spock as saying: If you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Nimoy sang the Ballad of Bilbo Baggins, and Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman starred the Hobbit movies together.
@@samuelbarber4154 I don't know if Spock ever said that. Data definitely did but he was quoting Holmes. So it Benedict Cumberbatch said it while playing Holmes he was speaking original dialogue.
I bet Spock would do it. The 23rd century seems to have less hang ups about nudity than we do in the 21st. A Vulcan would probably find it illogical to be embarrassed by ones own naked body since embarrassment is a human emotion. If it would provide an effective distraction then it is logical to do it.
"I am sorry, Doctor. Were we having a good time?"
"God, I liked him better before he died."
Favourite part of the movie.
You know what would have been interesting? The "God" Sha Karee turned out to be Gary Mitchell from the second pilot episode "Where No Man Has Gone Before". He might not have died and powers grew throughout the years, meaning he has grown beyond the need for physical form.
Hat Man That was a pretty good episode and I love your idea! Would have been one of the best twists ever!
I think it should have been Charlie Evans instead.
While I like the idea I’m not sure if it’s the best choice to have a twist that relies on knowledge of an episode that aired over 20 years ago. Yes Wrath of Khan was a sequel to a Season 1 episode but it made sure to recap what happened at the start of the film. Kinda hard to do the same thing during the climax
@@skibot9974 that is understandable. I just thought it would be a neat idea. I even did a video relating to it, but I don't want anyone to think I'm self-promoting in a comment of someone else's video.
@@Obiwan1994Kenobi-iv4jf why would we think that
10:05 with Shatner as one of the last of the original crew members left, the line about him dying alone just got a lot sadder
Nichelle and Walter are still alive also but yea....after Leonard's death it does make it sadder
Also George
Honestly George or Walter are probably going to be the last ones to go as they were the youngest when the show started.
@@PokemonHaloFan Nah the Tribble will outlive them all
It's Just Kirk, Sulu and Chekov now... huh...
that last line of McCoy's at the end"i liked him better before he died" was actually a running joke in my first rpg group's first campaign. my character sacrificed himself MULTIPLE time's and grew increasingly disgruntled with being revived.
+jo holloway THat sounds fukkin' great
jo holloway which RPG?
Funny thing. According to Gene Roddenberry, Vulcans have eight senses: the standard five, psionics, perfect sense of time, and Nome. Nome is an instinctive recognition of what humans would consider God. So why was Sybok banished for believing in something every Vulcan is aware of?
CruelestChris
Gene seemed to be of the opinion that whether you worship God, Allah, Jehovah, Zeus or Buddha - it is all God. That the Divine is not one thing but all of them in some measure. The differences were in how we perceive and choose to worship, not in the actual Divine.
From what I’ve read there was a lot of bad blood between Roddenberry and Shatner. If Shatner was aware of that tidbit I wouldn’t be surprised if he purposely ignored it
This is not going to make me popular... but the more I learn about Gene Roddenberry, the more I get the feeling that he was a total hack who accidentally struck gold/oil/whatever once. None of the three extra things qualify as senses in a scientific understanding of the term.
Nothing he did before or after the original series was any good. The first movie doesn't count for me because its good parts are all reused from episodes of the series. That TNG survived his "leadership" and horrible creative control in the first season is a minor miracle.The fact that he was an absolute cheating pig and jerk to the women he had relationships with, enabled abusers, and that he was a massive cokehead doesn't endear him to me either.
One thing that might actually make ST5 make sense is that the whole thing is actually a dream from Kirk. The Mary sueing of Kirk, a naked Uhara, the bad effects, the crew acting like fools, the fear of his crew turning on him, Spock abandoning him for some family member, the "evil" Klingons, and the new enterprise being a piece of junk are all in Kirks fantasy. Of course this was never Shatners intent, but it would explain the plot holes and inconsistencies to the franchise as a whole.
The crew acts like birds?
Actually I think that was Kirk's intent a big fat wet dream //I mean the original title was An Act of Love
In the unlikely event of me being foolish enough to ever watch the film again, I'll do so with this theory in mind. You might be on to something! It would explain the deck numbers getting jumbled up in the lift shaft... 🤔
Personally I see it as a mix. The events happened, sure, but it’s more like it’s Kirk’s perspective on the events.
I headcannon that the rock climbing incident and campfire scenes happened. But everything else is Kirk’s crappy campfire story
I would have been ambivalent about Spock stripping down, but I would have been SO. VERY. INTO. the idea of him singing the "Ballad of Bilbo Baggins."
"Gotta love the highly logical and tolerant Vulcans."
I feel like an easy fix for that would be for him to just willingly leave the home world due an utter lack of followers in his ideas. It doesn't sound like something that would really take off among the Vulcans.
27:10 - my headcanon for ‘God’ from this movie has always been that he’s got something to do with a species from a TNG episode where the Ent-D also travels to the centre of the galaxy and also meets an alien species that’re just big giant heads. Difference is that the TNG aliens were genuinely benevolent instead of malevolent like this guy. I headcanon it to be that the one from this film was a member of the same species and was a criminal or something that they’d imprisoned on Sha Ka Re.
The cat lady's name is Vanessa!
Oh great I didn’t know that Deadpool’s girlfriend was part cat
6:35 So wait...William Shatner...and magic boots that let the wearer float...
"I'm not an ooordinary Spock! I have booooots...."
I don’t know that reference…..
@William Morahan Shatner starred in a very bad Puss in Boots mockbuster called "The True Story of Puss 'N Boots"
@@johnalogue9832 Huh…..
Now all we need is an organ-playing, Carribean chimpanzee.
The kind of sad part is Star Trek five actually does have some really good scenes, setups, and ideas. A rogue Vulcan looking for "God." A desert planet where the utopia of the Federation doesn't exist and the normally antagonistic reps of the three major forces are pretty much apathetic to each other. A meditation on whether our "pain" is a weakness or a strength. The possibility of Kirk, cut off from the loyal and talented crew and forced to work without them. Some actually good exchanges and bits of dialog.
Sadly the film does little to capitalize on any of it and while it isn't without it's charms it really does feel like a film that's...less than the sum of its parts so to speak.
For me though I've found if you watch it as the first film of the series instead of the fifth (and ignore a line of dialog or two) it's actually a little better. Not perfect mind you but it does feel more like a bridge between the original series and the films, fills in a couple plot holes, and foreshadows a few things that pay off in the later films.
What Pay offs would you say there are?
The redeeming part of this movie is the banter between the trio, and the secret pains of Bones and Spock. Of course, it'd also be nice to see Kirks', but that would make him look less of a God. God damn it, Shatner.
@@Tareltonlives To be fair, what would you have given for Kirks pain? The only obvious one, i feel, is seeing David die again. Otherwise, you'd **really** have to be creative in what that pain would be.
19:22 - Dear God, that image of the Klingon smiling is terrifying.
Also, since it's right at the same time stamp that whole business about them trying to fly to the center of the galaxy? Well, I'm not surprised no ship has ever been able to do that, since the center of the galaxy is a supermassive black hole.
I really have to thank Linkara because thanks to his reviews I've watched Star Trek & Star Trek TNG and they're my favorite shows now.
+Mitzrayim 13 TNG was always mine though I usually skip the first season as it's PAINFUL to sit through and everyone acts with the wit and charm of cardboard. It's Season 2 and onwards when the cast really hits the ground running and gel together.
I am and always shall be a Star Wars fan but I'd be remissed if I didn't also dabble in Trek though I stick to TNG and DS9. Fuck Voyager. Why? BECAUSE OF FUCKING NELLIX. Damn he's annoying, just ask SF Debris and I like his ad Scientist Janeway interpretation.
Webshooters1 I got into TNG at seadon 3 so I was a little disappointed when I went back to s1. Some great episodes like Measure of a Man, but mostly terrible. I haven't watched Voyager yet but I plan too.
It's because of him that I got back to enjoying comics again.
18:30 Man, Sean Connery would've made an awesome Dumbledore. I want to go to the parallel universe where _that_ version of the Harry Potter films was made.
And in that world Voldermort was played by Patrick Stewart
@@jfdrac Evil Picard!
...sorry, but to have that world means that you don't use Richard Harris, and that would seem tragic to me. It's the difference between James Bond and King Arthur, and Arthur is far more fitting to me (and the reason Harris did it is far more meaningful).
Dumbledore, Albus Dumbledore.
23:37 That's an Oscar-worthy quote right there.
Star Trek 5, as Linkara says, is a train wreck with a few decent parts. I love Jerry Goldsmith's musical score (Though My Favourite Star Trek Musical score is the one from 'Star Trek: First Contact'). Dr McCoy has some of his best moments ( especially during the campfire scene). I also find Laurence Luckenbill's performance as Sybok to be one of the most compelling in the original film series (in spite of the stupidities within the film's script).
We can credit Peter David (My favourite Hulk and Aquaman writer) for the improved adaptation for the comic.
I find Sybok to be a character that actually has some potential in Star Trek Discovery.
Hey! Uhura still looked damn good in that scene! And it was her idea in the movie.
McCoy: "Other people have families!"
Kirk: "Other people, Bones. Not us."
Spock (Linkara): "Actually, both my father and my mother are still alive."
McCoy (Linkara): "Aw shut up, Spock!"
Spock (Linkara): "Also, you still owe me ten bucks."
I always looked forward to your 'Star Trek' reviews, and I'm not even that big of a fan of 'Star Trek'.
+Xenomorph Captain Vex muno it's general syntax to put apostrophes around titles.
+Xenomorph Captain Vex muno or quotations, rather.
***** Its to separate them.
***** look, its just grammatically correct, okay?
I really wish someone would update English style guides to properly reflect generally understood standards already in use on the internet instead of just what a bunch of eggheads think is "proper", but until then, you are the best kind of correct Mr. Boo
Please don't use your powers of destruction on me :)
7:36 yes. It is a universal truth.
I'm pretty sure that the book adaptation explained that Sybok himself adapted the Enterprise's shields to enable them to breech the barrier, and that the follow up Klingon ship actually studied the shield changes, and emulated them so that they, too, could pass the barrier.
I can’t even say why, but this is my favorite review of yours. For whatever reason, whenever I’m bored and want some light entertainment, this video is the first thing that comes to mind.
Captain Kirk climbing on a mountain call El Capitan
Ego much?
Jake Bryant who are you talking to?
14:31 Oh god I’m now imagining that conversation.
A Romulan, A Klingon, and federation ambassador walk into a bar... I will let you come up with the punchline
Fox: Haven't finished the episode yet, but I will say. Shatner is freaking hilarious
Why DO people spend so much time between birth and death wearing watches? It is... perplexing.
6:07 - Good lord, he really said that... I legitimately thought people were joking about that all this time.
You have three interstellar empires investing in a single planet... INVEST IN SOME TERRAFORMING IF ITS THAT INHOSPITABLE!
I think that’s why they were creating genesis
The Q explanation makes alot of sense.....but to say a younger Q doesn't make sense because Q exist outside of time lol
Younger as in he was not as experienced even though he does not age like we do he still would go through the stages of learning and maturing as they evolved
Apparently in the movie novelization it is explained why no ship has been able to enter the great barrier
What was the explanation?
Hold Your Horse, Captain.
Honestly, that is so stupid that it always made me laugh. And Leonard Nimoy's delivery just make it even better.
What gets me about the whole "Entry beyond the Great Barrier" thing...they did it! The enterprise went into the center of the galaxy before, in the animated series. there is an episode where the meet satan (Seriously) and they go through the barrier where they see a planet that is similar to the Salem Witch era (serious) and this is where all of the magix came came from and legends of Satan came from (I swear I am not making this up!!!). I think they even went close to the barrier in the original show too!
Martialartfruituser The Animated Series was not considered canon.
the one from the original series is at the edge of the galaxy (yes there are two)
20:43 - That's not so much a retcon as it is a deleted scene, which they have available on the DVD.
Marsh melons...
Okay, if someone can get on genetically engineering melons that taste like marshmallows, or better yet, a marshmallow crop that grows as big as a melon, I would be VERY appreciative.
Fun fact: John De Lancie, the guy who played Q, also voiced Discord in Mlp:Fim.
Not sounding like one of those people, though.
Officially... There never WAS a Star Trek 5. Unoffically, nearly 20 years after the franchise was created, the studio almost brought it to a cataclysmic end by giving a pretentious blowhard near-complete creative control over his own movie. The horrors that were unleashed still haunt me to this day...
The 'Mad Magazine' parody of this comic/movie was only one page long.
But it pretty much told the whole story in that limited space.
Nice review of this comic book movie!
Do you have an image of that page?
11:13 Why hello there, Officer Yowza. What's your role on the ship?
I love that 10 bucks running joke❤😂
Even if the film was made during the 1988 writer's strike, had budget cuts and lacked the original intended star of Sean Connery (who was busy filming Indy 3 and went on to The Hunt For The Red October). I've always reckon had Connery done Star Trek V it would've made the fifth film way more famous even if it still turned out badly. Sybok being played by Sean Connery against the Star Trek cast would've been monumentally epic to say the least! Laurence Luckinbill as cast on his ability to act and cos he bore a small resemblance to Connery perhaps, but clearly the role was meant for only for Connery though. So wished he would've played the part and played off Nimoy's Spock! And had Sybok as a very unique Vulcan with passionate emotions running through him!
so that where galaxy quest got their rock monster from.
4:40 This is starting to sound like Persona. If the bald guy starts summoning a manifestation of his ego, I'm out.
Something like that kinda happens at the end of the movie, with God manifesting as Sybok, but that didn't really make a lot of sense, just like everything else in the movie.
That's it. I'm out.
Wow, I don't remember Cybok looking nearly as Jesus-y in the movie as they're depicting him in this comic.
Looks pretty Jesus to me here www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200307/gal-mov-v-01/320x240.jpg
If you were a strong telepath it's conceivable that you could make someone forget traumatic events from their past. Just take away their pain by making it like it never happened for them. Charles Xavier has made people forget things happen a few times and he threatens it in the movies.
Alternatively Sybok tells people to share their pain with him and gain strength from the sharing. This could be like when you talk to people about what's bothering you and you feel better just from talking even if you didn't solve anything yet. But it's an extreme version of that because it's telepathic. He could be giving years of therapy in minutes by mind melding and at the same time brainwashing people to his cause.
Of course Xavier says that is a delicate process that takes time so as not to destroy their mind and he does it in seconds
Ah man now I want to see Captain Kirk fight Satan too
I love the movie, and thought I was the only one. maybe because I was raised in a religious strict home where this was the first thing that told me it was ok to question God. or should i say Dogma. regardless this silly little film was the first film I saw that showed me Star Trek could challenge your perceptions. which I think is the reason a lot of people don't care for it.
regardless of its flaws it will always in away hold a place in my heart.
"...the post office is worse than the Royal Mail" - we know, but heeeey! :P
to be fair, Kirk fighting the doctor couldn't have been much worse than that one time the Doctor did. I mean, The Impossible Planet was GREAT, but it's second part? ...not so much.
11:12 Linkara is aroused.
13:45 err why did you change costume
In response to your ruminations section, I read the trilogy of books with the Borg invasion and the retcon about their origins and the parts of the trilogy that were related to the retcon were weak and I just started skimming those parts after awhile. I enjoyed the rest of the trilogy, though.
the comic got one other thing wrong sybok mother was a Vulcan Priestess not princess
Oh, huh. There's moar.
Wait. Adapted by Peter David? ... That actually makes a lot of sense; go on.
...Will Oldham?
Actually, point to Peter David here: One of the, ah, geekier complaints against this movie is Kirk's line about having lost a brother once, but gotten him back... without any mention of, as you said, George Samuel "Sam" Kirk, the actual brother he lost.
So, while it's not in the movie, that could explain why Kirk, in the middle of falling to his death, thinks, "Sam..."
When you describe the "experiment" like that, it really does make more sense -- or, at least, instead of "and then the drought killed it", the governments in question gave up this experiment in brotherhood at the first major setback, even if, as you say, they could've tried another, better-suited planet, or something.
Gonna transcribe another puppy here: "Ah, the warrior spirit! Provoking interplanetary incidents because you're bored! 8D"
"Uhh, normally, I would offer to 'free you from your pain', but right now, I *really* don't wanna see what's going on inside your head." I was about to say -- Sybok never does do his thing to Captain Kirk, himself, but...
"Alright, pop quiz. Shuttle, cult leader with a hostage..."
Sean Connery was going to play Sybok? ... Huh. I can see where they would think that, yeah.
...so. Sybok's "find your deepest pain" trick. ... I think there's something to it. But, no, even if you do have some kind of driving, unacknowledged pain, working it out and acknowledging it is just one step, however important. Having his followers suddenly be all smiles the moment he's done makes me think that, if we want to give this story that much credit, something less... beneficial is going on there.
Like, "ignore your past altogether". In fact, ignore everything, and trust in this one guy, and don't forget to smile all the time, especially when you're pointing a gun at someone and fully prepared to fire.
I still like that line from an incredulous Captain Kirk, still thinking this is crazy. "Well, don't just stand there. *God's* a busy man!"
And, yeah, the thing claiming to be God responds to Kirk blowing a "What does God need with a starship?"-shaped hole in all of its plans with LIGHTNING, even as it becomes increasingly obvious that it's not, in fact, what any of those concerned would call God, by any means.
That said, this is the first I've heard of it, but that rock monster looks *cool.* Though, even by the standards of the movie-slash-comic, I'm not sure what it would have had to do with anything. Does the comic explain its... presence?
"...though the artwork *does* have this cool part where he has, like, half a *skull* for a second. Awesome."
Linkara, as someone who likes you a lot, and whose opinion of you remains unchanged, how dare you tell people they can't be disgusted by a naked older woman! Would you shame a lesbian for being disgusted at the sight of a naked man? Would you shame a strait guy for being disgusted at the sight of a 12-year-old girl trying to seduce him? No? Why not? Is it because when it comes to sexual attraction everyone is entitled to like what they like and be disgusted by what disgusts them? Yes. Yes, it is. You HAVE to respect people's basic instinctual preferences in these subjects, and that includes "Oh god, she's old! EW!" It is perfectly fine to find older people repulsive in terms of sexual attraction. For shame, Lewis. You're a gentleman. You're better than this.
Captain Kirk is climbing a mountain. Why is he climbing a mountain?
Final Frontier: the Star Trek equivalent to the Holiday Special
I think the rock monster looks pretty cool. Mind you, I love the Galaxy Quest joke about it. "IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY VULNERABLE SPOTS!" "Then you're just have to find out what it wants. What's its motivation?" "IT'S A ROCK MONSTER! IT DOESN'T HAVE A MOTIVATION!" "See, this is why you were never serious about the craft"
Why does he climb the mountain?
Because he's in love.
Oh Shatner, have you no SHAME?!?!?
Nightshift10000 no!
Fun Fact: The german Translation of the title reads "at the edge of the universe", because apparently we like to be confusing
@Sir Grim Locksmith VIII that 'd be one epic crossover
I also enjoy watching Star Trek V. I don't think of it as a bad movie, I just see it as a Star Trek movie with more humor thrown in.
I don't hate Star Trek V; I think it has some interesting ideas and the cast are all in fine form (even if some of their scenes are a bit iffy). But I do think it's problems are tough to ignore. I know all the behind the scenes stuff really hamstrung what could have been a better film, but (and all due respect to William Shatner) the central problem is bringing religion with "real" deities into Star Trek ALWAYS falls short. No matter what religion they pick, and no matter how they come down on it- Jesus himself could appear and baptize Chekov- they will end up alienating a huge portion of the audience. It's a true no-win scenario.
The basic bones of the story: a zealot taking diplomats hostage and the Enterprise racing against a borderline renegade Klingon out for his own glory against Kirk (possibly a relative of Kruge or someone we've established earlier like whatever John Larroquette's character's name was) could have made an excellent film. Oh well, what could have been...
7:36 Vanessa.
awesome uniform Linkara ! It's my favourite, with TNG/DS9's war uniform being a close 2nd !
I remember the episode from the animated series where they went to the center of creation amd the humans HELPED satan
Linkara when are you going to follow up on the Q&A and are you going to seed up the uploads
+Zombiekilleryamato December and yes. I need more time to prepare for the new stuff especially in the wake of finishing the movie.
Excuse me, I'd just like to ask a question... what does Linkara need with a starship?
+Marianne Ibbotson you don't ask the great Linkara for his ID!
Mattheos Clemence And then he unleashes his force-lightning on me.
5:11 Damn! I finally see you reviewing a comic written by Peter David (at least I think you haven't done so far. There are too many AT4W episodes for me to see), and it's not a original script of his. Just an adaptation.
Sigh. I will just keep waiting, then.
+JohnnyElRed
i suspect it'll be a long wait as peter david is a consistantly great writer and moooooooost of his works wouldn't really qualify for AT4W
I noticed Peter David had to do the writing/adapting for this book and my brain just sort of stopped for a moment
Linkara, will you consider doing Top 15 lists on your favorite episodes from both Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek TNG in the future?
Ive always had the buggest crush on Nichelle Nichols. Hey look NN she should be a superheroine :D
I agree with link this is a guilty pleasure
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall
Will you be doing reviews of other movie comics like Disney Pocahontas and Star Wars Episode 3?
The ultimate knowledge! Was My Immortal written as a joke, or for serious?
so, McCoy is Norse?
and this is why you have Peter David do your movie adaption, he took the worst of the trek movies and made a decent comic out of it
Can't handle wendy's spicy chicken nuggets linkara? Hmph, lightweight 😏
They taste gross. =P
i thought the whole spock dealing with his pain and wanting to go with sybok was a deleted scene from yhecmovie
Huh, so Shatner has a mountain fetish?
I won't judge... But that is pretty hilarious.
D'you think Shatner has to wipe beads of sweat from his forehead whenever the Paramount Logo comes on screen?
04:34 that happened to me once XD
Just number 6 to go! (In terms of the old cast!)
I'm sure somebody has told you this since this episode first aired, but there is no such thing as a non-fatal gunshot wound. You can die just easily from getting shot in the leg as you can by getting shot in the heart.
You are wrong by definition. Fatal wound in medical terms means a wound that proves fatal instantly or unstoppable. You are technically correct though, yes any wound will eventually bleed out but it takes a long ass time.
+Jake Jutras You are both correct. While it is possible to be shot and survive, be it through timely medical intervention or otherwise, there is no place on the human body where a person can be shot and is absolutely guaranteed to survive. That's why the idea of police/soldiers "shooting to wound" is a false myth. If you shoot another human being at all, you're essentially shooting to kill, even if the victim does survive.
so if a bullet grazes your shoulder or blows of your pinky toe your gonna gonna die?
+Frank Castle Grazing, no, but the pinky toe one, yes, actually. As they said - it's a matter of bleeding out.
I think that would take days! Wouldn't the wound scab by then? If you stayed off your feet I mean.
I still like it more than the reboot Trek movies
I need to check out the Q novels
Linkara, I have to admit, you're position about DC retconning movies in their comics is irrefutable. When I finally got my hands on the 1988 Aliens comics a few years ago, I found to my disappointment that they made some serious errors (like the one with Hicks using a shotgun in the elevator scene rather than his pulse rifle, this edit is infamous because it made it into the crappy Aliens Colonial Marines game as Hick's back story despite Gearbox "doing research"). Other than that, the comic was meant to be a sequel to Aliens, but it ends up just as ridiculous as Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection because the writers forgot about Ripley and Bishop, to which (years later) they replied with "oops, we totally forgot". Marvel was never that bad with their movie adaptations.
Some of the changes may not actually be retcons at all.....As in most cases adaptions are made at the same time as the movie to be released around the same time so they often are made based around the planned script but if changes are made that arent major (Like say if the Klingons had been replaced by Romulans) then they often get left in the final comic but in reality it was the movie that changed it up
You know, it's a bad film but I also don't hate it. I will defend "what does God need with a starship," and the final shot with the three of them singing around the campfire was for my money one of the most touching moments with those three together. "I've always know I'll die alone," however. I won't defend that. lol
Actually, this movie is a little bit smarter than you think. One of it's messages, is that you cannot find God in this universe, or in some special place. It's like searching for Shakespeare in one of his plays as a character. This messages was brought up by manny theological thinkers, C.S.Lewis for example.
And I assume that it's not far stretched to say that, this thing they found....well.....was something close to a Satan.
It has also manny similarities with the mythical "Evil One". Just like Satan, it pretended to be a God and strived for it's place without understanding what being God means, it was metahuman but was not all powerfull and it used human soul for it's own purpouses, especially "wise men" who thought they knew everything.
Star Trek in hell does have potential. Although, you could get that from Event Horizon.
Religion in Star Trek tends to not be done exceptionally well; and by 1987-ish William Shatner should have known better. And while I've heard stories about cast and crew wanting specific changes (Nimoy and Kelly refusing to act in ways their characters wouldn't for example), I've never heard of anyone trying to talk Shatner out of the core idea.
Even the comic adaptations of Batman and Batman And Robin.
This movie is hilarious. I don’t think is a good, but come on, I really had a great time watching the crew becoming clowns.
I saw this movie in the theaters for free. My friend had gotten promo tickets. I paid too much.
bros before co's.... hahaha, so funny!!
21:20 - God, what's up with McCoy's face? It looks like he's inviting Kirk to Risa. Come to think of it, none of the happy brainwashed slaves' expressions look realistic, and while it could be intentional, it feels like a poor artistic rendering.
I have the novelization of this movie! (I think of TOS the only one I'm missing is WoK.) Overall, I thought it was better than the movie...EXCEPT for all the "jokes" about how Ambassador St. John is or is not super saintly. The name isn't PRONOUNCED St. John. It's pronounced Sinjin! Except it's been so long since I've seen this movie that for all I know it WAS pronounced incorrectly in the movie, too.
“God” should’ve been Charlie X.
Linkara actually says Yowza? Really? Heh, funny.
Yeah, this movie is awful, but not the worst; just a crappy, no-budget ego trip.
It's funny when these adaptations are actually better than the original movie.
Anyone here wish to read a wordy ass comic? Batman 415. I thought I was reading a fucking Shakespeare fanfiction with Batman instead of Macbeth.
Sounds fascinating, tell me more.
@@nathanhuerta4445 been a while since I read it but I remember a lot of specifying by a killer quoting Shakespeare. Same kind of deal as Khan from Star Trek II but with Shakespeare and not Herman Melville. A more direct parralel would be Chang from The Undiscovered Country as both quote Shakespeare prolifically. Just remember this reading it; this was back before Batman had a total of six villains and he had a new threat every week with few exceptions. It was the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers era of Batman if you will.
Star trek online does a much better job with nimbus 3.
What is it do Nimbus 3?
Um... did Spock got his 10 bucks in the end?
And the Naked Uhura plan was just a rip off of Timon's Hoola dancing from Lion King. Or the other way around, idk.