This game seemed weirdly easy. Your opponents seemed to make so many random decisions. You should have been the target from the start. I also found it funny when you had already won and red said “I don’t think we should trade with white anymore”
I've never played Catan but have spent a ridiculous amount of time watching these videos. And now I think I could not only play this game, but do decent at it. Great content, bud!
I watched dylighted before I started playing. It does make you better although there is generally less communication between players in normal online games than these tournaments. Good luck, no matter how good you are, you will still lose most games.
@@benjaminschocket-greene5629 I mean, it's a 4 player game, so expecting to win more than 50% of the time is a lot. By the way, dylighted himself has >50% win rate in rated games for the current season, so it's not impossible to win more than half of your games.
No way! I just checked your channel today to see if I'd missed any uploads recently (none of the recent stuff was recommended despite being subscribed btw)
I mean you got a strong setup combined with amazing rolls. Your rolls just came through, with rolls like that almost every setup wins without a chance for the table :D
That knight on the 10 grain was a misplay. You always rolls first to see if you get any 7 and then rethink your strategy from the card you discard if you do roll the 7. Also playing that knight puted you at 10 instead of 9 mean you lose 1 more card to the 7.
Question for Dylan (new to Catan, loving the content!). How much does luck factor into deciding the outcome of games? Say for a given game, how often do we expect the best player to win? How about in a Bo5? Obviously at larger sample sizes the best player wins close to 100% of the time, but was curious how Catan ranks in terms of luck vs skill (ruclips.net/video/HNlgISa9Giw/видео.html)
So much else to think about considering luck: how Mans 7s and who rolls them, bad players, bad trades, bad placing decisions from the others that harm your game, „wrong“ robs, getting lucky or not with dev cards and so on
if you play with beginners and intermediate players, luck matters more. if you play with good players, luck is a non factor because you talk a lot more, players recognize who is doing better and are able to make their life miserable. dylan has a couple of videos like tournament finales where he got shit early settles, but he won because he was able to trade and get deals with the other players, while the ones with strong setups always got robbed, got plowed, etc
@@iuliadianamarian3977 luck is DEFINITELY not a non factor. It's like poker, where luck is very influential in any given game, but over time, strong players will win more than weak players.
Luck definitely a factor, but I would assert its less than you might think. Id guess a highly skilled player playing against less skilled players probably wins 60-80% of the time. A fantastic player playing against great players can probably win like 40% of the time, which is still a lot better than the 25% youd expect by chance.
Where SHOULD you go if you are first or second? I'm bad but I was thinking 634 point down to grab sheep as first settle. then get something like the 5/10 at worst on the way back. Does that make sense?
Why not start with 8/4/10 and 6/11/4. Still have strong cities, and have roads to move places. Makes getting both rock and wheat ports easier, mucchh stronger diversity of numbers and later can always throw away brick and wood with 3-1 ports
Then he doesn't have sheep. Diversity of numbers is overrated. I'd much rather have 8 ore 8 sheep than have 8 ore 6 sheep because they pair together well. With the 8/4/10 and 8/4/3 he has double ore and double wheat anyway, plus the best sheep. Trading for wood isn't impossible (as he showed) and he doesn't need much of it anyway. He only spent 3 wood the entire game and that's pretty simple to get between trades and steals. IMO as long as you have wood OR brick it's relatively easy to get the other as needed. I think the best counterargument is the one turn where Dylan popped 4 devs. That would never happen if he didn't have sheep income. Even if he had both ore and wheat ports at that time, he'd get 2, MAYBE 3 devs from similar rolls.
I do understand the strat, my point is that it's a feast/famine gameplan no? His chance of getting cards is 10/36, compared to my proposed 18/36 chance. I get that the output is also a multiplier so it evens out, but I've always felt that consistent output is better than feast/famine. The nature of the feast/famine, is that when feasting (hits his numbers) with an overwhelming amount of cards, gets ahead too fast and becomes a target, OR if he's in famine (no resources), he's in risk of losing map space, (but his opponents sucked at punishing that) The super sheep-wheat-rock start is definitely super powerful and easy to play , but the drawback is a dead brick in hand. Whereas what I suggested imo has no dead resource, brick is paired with wood, wheat with rock. Besides, looking at the map, since green is taking 6/5/12, purple does become a threat for dev cards, but mid game should stil be easy money for dev cards.
@@showduhtung Agreed, he's taking a huge gamble with so little variety in numbers. But his opponents were weak, didn't block him when they should and gave him the trades he needed.
@@showduhtung I get what you're saying but a couple things. It's not 10/36, it's 13/36 (8 + 4 + 10 + 3). And I'm completely on board with your feast/famine analogy, but I think it actually applies more to diversified numbers than to well paired numbers. As a simplified example, compare an 8 ore 8 wheat setup to an 8 ore 6 wheat setup. You may say the latter is more diversified, but in reality, how much does it help to have the 6 roll without the 8? Most of the time, you're waiting for the 8 to roll either way, but in the latter setup, you need the 6 to ALSO roll. The only advantage to the latter setup is if the 6 rolls twice you might be able to trade the extra wheat for an ore, but I'd much rather rely on one 8 to roll than rely on trading my second wheat for an ore. Bottom line, I think the key word is 'Actionable'. If the paired numbers are actionable (ore/wheat, ore/sheep, brick/wood, possibly wheat/sheep), they can be deadly. If they don't pair well (like the 4 ore 4 brick in this game), it's better to diversify. With that said, I still think the biggest problem with your setup is the missing sheep. It's not just missing sheep, it's missing the best sheep and the 3:1 expansion on said sheep. And it leaves a great settlement spot open for others.
@@michalgabriel9647 No, not really. Plenty of games aren't completely ruined by your opponents sucking. Plenty of games aren't made essentially impossible to win because of your opponents' mistakes.
@@michalgabriel9647 Because this is a free-for-all game where each player can impact who wins. Mistakes made by player A can harm not only player A himself, but potentially players B and C even more, giving all of the benefit to player D. Imagine a hypothetical extreme: Player A accepts every single trade from player B for the entire game but never from C or D. Player B offers 1 card for 17 cards and player A always accepts. This means player A is making a mistake. You, as player C, can essentially never win the game if this happens in a game you are playing in.
@@Ohrami This would never happen unless 2 players teamed up which is against teh rules. There are always consequences to all your actions so if you pissed of one player that would be your fault and if you didnt make anyone angry then you can always countertrade or somehow affect the gameplay thats why Dylan is so good.
Mate, your main channel is dead, and your just not uploading enough. Why arent you uploading 3 videos a week? You would grow way faster and honestly, making these videos cant be too difficult right? You play a game in 2 to 3 hours, edit it for 5 hours and you have 1 vid a day. This will easilly help you with more content, more subs and more income
This game seemed weirdly easy. Your opponents seemed to make so many random decisions. You should have been the target from the start. I also found it funny when you had already won and red said “I don’t think we should trade with white anymore”
This channel is the real overpowered thing here
I've never played Catan but have spent a ridiculous amount of time watching these videos. And now I think I could not only play this game, but do decent at it. Great content, bud!
I watched dylighted before I started playing. It does make you better although there is generally less communication between players in normal online games than these tournaments. Good luck, no matter how good you are, you will still lose most games.
@@benjaminschocket-greene5629
I mean, it's a 4 player game, so expecting to win more than 50% of the time is a lot. By the way, dylighted himself has >50% win rate in rated games for the current season, so it's not impossible to win more than half of your games.
until you get ganged up on
Spoiler alert!
The strategy - they play bad, you play good, you win.
The frequency of your uploads is somehow even more powerful than this setup
Really loving the constant uploads, please keep em coming. I'm subscribing!
One of the biggest rolls I’ve ever seen. Glad to see you’re having fun with the content again Dylan!
13:09 "We should no longer trade with White"
Bit slow on the uptake there!
No way! I just checked your channel today to see if I'd missed any uploads recently (none of the recent stuff was recommended despite being subscribed btw)
I really like your videos and i noticed that i got a lot better since I started watching u
I mean you got a strong setup combined with amazing rolls. Your rolls just came through, with rolls like that almost every setup wins without a chance for the table :D
Love the uploads! 😍
*Gets to 8 VPs plus lock on army* "Ok we should no longer trade with white" 🤦
loved to see him get so hyped for catan XD ^^
That knight on the 10 grain was a misplay. You always rolls first to see if you get any 7 and then rethink your strategy from the card you discard if you do roll the 7. Also playing that knight puted you at 10 instead of 9 mean you lose 1 more card to the 7.
Great to see some DyLighted again
Question for Dylan (new to Catan, loving the content!). How much does luck factor into deciding the outcome of games? Say for a given game, how often do we expect the best player to win? How about in a Bo5? Obviously at larger sample sizes the best player wins close to 100% of the time, but was curious how Catan ranks in terms of luck vs skill (ruclips.net/video/HNlgISa9Giw/видео.html)
The dice can really fuck you up even if you have the easily best setup. Imagine a Lack of 8s here and maybe even low running 4s, no Chance then!
So much else to think about considering luck: how Mans 7s and who rolls them, bad players, bad trades, bad placing decisions from the others that harm your game, „wrong“ robs, getting lucky or not with dev cards and so on
if you play with beginners and intermediate players, luck matters more. if you play with good players, luck is a non factor because you talk a lot more, players recognize who is doing better and are able to make their life miserable. dylan has a couple of videos like tournament finales where he got shit early settles, but he won because he was able to trade and get deals with the other players, while the ones with strong setups always got robbed, got plowed, etc
@@iuliadianamarian3977 luck is DEFINITELY not a non factor. It's like poker, where luck is very influential in any given game, but over time, strong players will win more than weak players.
Luck definitely a factor, but I would assert its less than you might think. Id guess a highly skilled player playing against less skilled players probably wins 60-80% of the time. A fantastic player playing against great players can probably win like 40% of the time, which is still a lot better than the 25% youd expect by chance.
favorite youtuber ❤❤
Best edits on RUclips!
Love your videos!
Where SHOULD you go if you are first or second? I'm bad but I was thinking 634 point down to grab sheep as first settle. then get something like the 5/10 at worst on the way back. Does that make sense?
I missed my local tournament today!
Great content!
Where can I download this game? I used to play Catan universe but that was trash. This looks smooth.
How come you pointed your ride right towards the desert
…. Because he was trying to get to the port uncontested ….
This was a great game to watch. So much fun.
At 10:58 you said it doesn't give you a city but a 1 for 1 wheat ore would give you city go easy on them haha
10:56
Dylan is posting again... He can't keep getting away with this
This was the funniest game ive ever watched lol😂
A minute and a half in and the game is over for pretty much half the participants. Shakin my damn head at these placements 😭😭😭
awesome video!
With this setup, I dare to say I would have won this game too 100%
Hybrid ows… best thing ever
Green & red seem like chill guys -- exactly the sort of person I'd want to spend an afternoon playing board games with.
YES!!! Feed me more!!
Why not start with 8/4/10 and 6/11/4. Still have strong cities, and have roads to move places. Makes getting both rock and wheat ports easier, mucchh stronger diversity of numbers and later can always throw away brick and wood with 3-1 ports
Then someone takes the 8/3/4 and he can’t compete for dev cards easily
Then he doesn't have sheep. Diversity of numbers is overrated. I'd much rather have 8 ore 8 sheep than have 8 ore 6 sheep because they pair together well. With the 8/4/10 and 8/4/3 he has double ore and double wheat anyway, plus the best sheep. Trading for wood isn't impossible (as he showed) and he doesn't need much of it anyway. He only spent 3 wood the entire game and that's pretty simple to get between trades and steals. IMO as long as you have wood OR brick it's relatively easy to get the other as needed.
I think the best counterargument is the one turn where Dylan popped 4 devs. That would never happen if he didn't have sheep income. Even if he had both ore and wheat ports at that time, he'd get 2, MAYBE 3 devs from similar rolls.
I do understand the strat, my point is that it's a feast/famine gameplan no? His chance of getting cards is 10/36, compared to my proposed 18/36 chance. I get that the output is also a multiplier so it evens out, but I've always felt that consistent output is better than feast/famine. The nature of the feast/famine, is that when feasting (hits his numbers) with an overwhelming amount of cards, gets ahead too fast and becomes a target, OR if he's in famine (no resources), he's in risk of losing map space, (but his opponents sucked at punishing that)
The super sheep-wheat-rock start is definitely super powerful and easy to play , but the drawback is a dead brick in hand. Whereas what I suggested imo has no dead resource, brick is paired with wood, wheat with rock.
Besides, looking at the map, since green is taking 6/5/12, purple does become a threat for dev cards, but mid game should stil be easy money for dev cards.
@@showduhtung Agreed, he's taking a huge gamble with so little variety in numbers. But his opponents were weak, didn't block him when they should and gave him the trades he needed.
@@showduhtung I get what you're saying but a couple things. It's not 10/36, it's 13/36 (8 + 4 + 10 + 3). And I'm completely on board with your feast/famine analogy, but I think it actually applies more to diversified numbers than to well paired numbers. As a simplified example, compare an 8 ore 8 wheat setup to an 8 ore 6 wheat setup. You may say the latter is more diversified, but in reality, how much does it help to have the 6 roll without the 8? Most of the time, you're waiting for the 8 to roll either way, but in the latter setup, you need the 6 to ALSO roll. The only advantage to the latter setup is if the 6 rolls twice you might be able to trade the extra wheat for an ore, but I'd much rather rely on one 8 to roll than rely on trading my second wheat for an ore.
Bottom line, I think the key word is 'Actionable'. If the paired numbers are actionable (ore/wheat, ore/sheep, brick/wood, possibly wheat/sheep), they can be deadly. If they don't pair well (like the 4 ore 4 brick in this game), it's better to diversify.
With that said, I still think the biggest problem with your setup is the missing sheep. It's not just missing sheep, it's missing the best sheep and the 3:1 expansion on said sheep. And it leaves a great settlement spot open for others.
That was a good video
WHO LET GREEN COOK??
Absolutely Savage
I couldn’t even watch after you got that.. wtf
Stomp
LOOOOOOOOLLLL
Ahahahahaa. Too easy
Players like red and especially like green ruin the game. The fact that your opponents sucking can make Catan bad makes the game itself bad.
Literally every game is boring if you play against bad opponents but it doesnt make the actuall game bad.
@@michalgabriel9647 No, not really. Plenty of games aren't completely ruined by your opponents sucking. Plenty of games aren't made essentially impossible to win because of your opponents' mistakes.
@@Ohrami How would it be impossible to win when opponents are making mistakes. Thats the exact opposite of what a mistake means.
@@michalgabriel9647 Because this is a free-for-all game where each player can impact who wins. Mistakes made by player A can harm not only player A himself, but potentially players B and C even more, giving all of the benefit to player D.
Imagine a hypothetical extreme: Player A accepts every single trade from player B for the entire game but never from C or D. Player B offers 1 card for 17 cards and player A always accepts. This means player A is making a mistake. You, as player C, can essentially never win the game if this happens in a game you are playing in.
@@Ohrami This would never happen unless 2 players teamed up which is against teh rules. There are always consequences to all your actions so if you pissed of one player that would be your fault and if you didnt make anyone angry then you can always countertrade or somehow affect the gameplay thats why Dylan is so good.
Mate, your main channel is dead, and your just not uploading enough. Why arent you uploading 3 videos a week? You would grow way faster and honestly, making these videos cant be too difficult right?
You play a game in 2 to 3 hours, edit it for 5 hours and you have 1 vid a day. This will easilly help you with more content, more subs and more income