@@ToTheDayOfJudgemen You're Right Brother. But, Hardly There's Any Country More Corrupt Than Pakistan. 🙄 A Sìkh Was Kìllèd For Selling Cheap Products In Ramadan. Happens Nowhere In The World.
Uppal (Hindi: उप्पल) is an Indian surname. The Khatris have a clan and the Jats have a tribe called Uppal. According to BN Puri, Uppal is derived from the Sanskrit term "utpalarana" which means "one who leaps upon their enemies". Puri further mentions it to be a part of the Bunjahi and Sareen subcaste of Khatris.
That shows India openness to think free and listen to other side / opposite view and develop critical thinking. You being following monolithic religion, its beyond your perview.
@@youtubestudies4173 it's been done always since centuries as part of internal practice. In Hinduism we are allowed to question everything. Is questioning allowed in Islam?
It’s good to have more in person attendance, but please don’t jump to judge, it is not a sign of a mature mind. Rest assured, a lot many more Pakistanis watching this, like you online.
In India also one would find Gujratis as compared to others better in business. Similarly Gujrati Muslims Khoja Shias, memons and Bohras are very prominent. Similarly among Hindus Gujrati one would find Banias and Jains. In Rajsthan Marwari (region of Jodhpur, Jaisalmer and nearby) Banias and many sub castes. In Punjab Khatris or Bhapas of Peshawar were good in business. Definitely environment and family values and culture make difference.
Yes, regions economical sections affect society.....bjp is Goa sells beef, but bans in utter Pradesh....look at hindutva today , it's mere UPisation of india , where backward states like utter Pradesh and Bihar are becoming annoyingly religious and destroying social fabrik of indian society..... even the idea of Pakistan was born in utter Pradesh.
Pakistan cricketer better be to be the best bowler and Indian cricketer better be to a best batsman in the world, just because someone in the beginning was best bowler in the Pakistan and the impact is still in the generation after generation so in Indian cricketer, but can India the biggest population can't produce the best bowler like Pakistan, ofc yes but the impact of sachin tendulkar as a batsman is yk
Not sure why in-person audience is so little. It is such a great channel, and like all other talks it hosted, this is an intriguing subject and an insightful discussion.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family. Chandeep Uppal, British actress Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012 Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer Param Uppal, Australian actor Paul Uppal, UK politician Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright Sahil Uppal, Indian actor Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
@@atulkumar-pr4yo mr. Kumar, do you think making such sweeping statement, and being judgmental in this way is appropriate? Looking at what is happening in India from very hands of BJP led mobs, how would open minded Hindus feel if someone declares Hindu religion at fault?
True question is - is Pakistanis tuned towards economic progress? In one word 'NO' Pakistanis are tuned towards making quick money which is 180-degree opposite to the direction of progress.
Mr. Uppal who himself is clearly converted Muslim from Khatris and was hesitating to even mention Hindus and talked only about Buddhists. Whether he is aware of Hindus and Buddhists population worldwide. Now when talking about Hindus itself is a problem what type of studies he had carried out.🤔🤔🤔🤔
Sir...hindu hatred is first attribute of a pakistani irrespective of which strata of society he belongs to...the only difference is an educated pakistani does show it overtly, but it reflects in their discussions, I'm following pak since last one decades majority of educated pakistanis are full of hindu hatred.
Dear sir it was an amazing session. I always follow you whether it's your articles or any news related to you. I pay huge reverence to your deeds. Thank you so much.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family. Chandeep Uppal, British actress Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012 Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer Param Uppal, Australian actor Paul Uppal, UK politician Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright Sahil Uppal, Indian actor Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
@Andy Howse Hinduism to Islam is an irreversible reaction. It isn't going to happen. We can pray that once converted, they don't harbor ill-feelings for their ancestry.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family. Chandeep Uppal, British actress Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012 Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer Param Uppal, Australian actor Paul Uppal, UK politician Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright Sahil Uppal, Indian actor Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
Problem with muslims is that islam provides kind of milatary organisation relation . It's good to rule other people and make them work for you as you take care only security work and allow them to develop individual skills . But When you have a country of pure muslim majority that too much organised social structure (command- follow) allows less freedom to develop critical thinking and modern day job skills .
Nope, the west imposes barbaric sanctions on any country which has Islamic System to not allow the growth of that country such as currently Afghanistan and HTS in Syria.
Is only paxtan The else Muslim nation in the world? Can't your gamut fly henceforth beyond south asia? Muslims in Albania Kosovo and Turkey are well better off, way better off than us indians in terms of percapita and HDI. You are speculating just your limited pov in paxtan alone, considering indonesia is onset to become 3rd largest economy in the world, estimated to even surpass india and be aligned with global powers. Limiting islam to military OR is oxymoronic, compared to the number of muslims are millionaire per capita to number of Hindus. And did you forgot Darshan, we have 300+ million mouths to feed ?! You are standing on a plummeting airplane flaunting *"how high we fly!"* Grow up man.
The first question that comes to my mind is whether religion should determine the targets of progress or should universal understanding of progress should determine the scope of religion. The learned speaker seems to advocate the latter stance. In short, they are trying a very tactful way to alienate religion from economic pursuits.
As a Pakistani,I agree with you. It's worrisome youth should take part in intellectual discussions instead of protesting for the interests of a political party
Why you worry so much about pakistan future.....Do want more Indian soldiers get killed by these pakistanis.....Are you not satisfied with killings & terrsit attacks by these pappistani in bharat so far....do you want more?
Great lecture! As an applied microeconomist, I have some concerns regarding the identification strategy, but I can understand that Dr. Uppal was less technical in his talk to make the lecture more accessible to the general audience.
If this presentation is debated in Pakistann annd understanding culture of growing islamic countries like UAE, Indonesia is sudied and suitable culural modification attempted, many of problems can be overcome. This lecture is valuable to many countries
Why “Muslim”? I think this should be “Pakistani attitudes…”. There are several Muslim countries that do not have the kind of problems Pakistan is beset with. It is laughable that Pakistan considers itself the guardian and sole representative of all Muslims world wide.
@@youtubestudies4173 not so. That would not explain the relative successes of other countries that are predominantly Muslim - BD, Indonesia, several countries in the Gulf, not to talk of Turkey that so desperately tries to look European. The crap with Pakistan is uniquely a Pakistani creation, where the national identity is all around anti-India (and therefore pro-military) and now, anti-west + all the bungling coming from inept governance and mostly intellectually bankrupt “intelligentsia”. The narrow views around their version of Islam is what has driven wedges around other sects like Ahmadiyas, Shias etc to the point where stalwarts such as Abdus Salam were made to quit the country. No, this is all uniquely Pakistani.
Indian Muslims, like Doudi Bohras are big and successful business community in India and abroad. Azim Premji is owner of WIPRO, one of the IT giants in India.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: Chandeep Uppal, British actress Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012 Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer Param Uppal, Australian actor Paul Uppal, UK politician Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright Sahil Uppal, Indian actor Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
I think culture makes difference whenever i see hindus or indians doing good everywhere i say the reason is culture ..and its obvious ..becoz all the ppl of indian society is growing up with those cultural values ..
In India decline started with Muslim rule for the taxation was extortionate (10% oil Muslims and at least 50% on non muslims) Farming the backbone was broken. Kings became rich but the people languished and by the time the British came the empire was too weak.
The right kind of education of women and letting them work in good organizations not only helps present generations but also the next or next to next ie their knowledge base, and what we hindus call 'sanskar'
Let our sanskar blossom when Hatras victims gets justice, when bajrang punia gets his due punishment, when SC ST Dalit are considered pure Hindus. We have 300+ million mouths to feed, you know? Flexing on so-called "hindu asmita" is oxymoronic.
No audience ? I would have expected a full hall for such a lecture. Any religion that claims to have all the knowledge necessary in its book(s) is bound to be retrogressive and discourages its followers from exploring new concepts and philosophies. Of course, not all its followers will be bound by these restrictions, but a large majority will be.
Pakistan of today which was Once a Place of Takshila University of the Subcontinent - the greatest place of learning in logic, mathematics, astronomy, religious debate & philosophy is going down & declining in all aspects of life & human endeavour. What a radical teaching can do to human psychology is astounding & saddening. Rigid ideology slowly kills the inner curiosity & questioning nature of humans in general, that's what happening with muslims across the world.
Overall a very good talk . The boy in white who asked last question seems well educated and enlightened. Last but not the least Dr. Pervez hoodbhoy sahab deserves appreciation for creating THE BLACK HOLE. But this very small room with very little sitting capacity is never full of listeners. It represents the Very little appreciation for intellectuals in Pakistani society. But overall a really good and sincere efforts by hoodbhoy sahab.
This is the problem in their bogus society. People will go to some political rallies but not attend such amazing lectures. Hoodbhoy Sir is a legend. However, he is a gem along with several others who deserve better.
Muslims are not one people. The Lebanese excel in business. But, the same can't be said about all Muslims. Just like some Christian and Hindu communities have business in their blood. But not all Christians and Hindus excel in the art of making money.
Bro if you are a atheist you would not think like that... Is basically the availability of resources that make one person Excel in his field.. Religion has nothing to do with it.. Look at Iran for example or North Korea both are isolated but look how they are doing in science and tech..
I am avid follower of black hole and I'm a pakistani muslim. Just to make a point that there ARE pakistanis who are interested in debates like these. Also, I am NOT anti-indian. Yes, we exist.
Pakistanis need to prepare for afterlife. This life is transitory and must be used to pray and lead a pious life and work to spread Islam. Even Indian Muslims are doing the same
John Staut Mills utilitarianism is a normative ethical theory that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all maximum number of people. If Pakistan has to be “REIMAGINED” it is imperative that maximum social-economic benefit reach the marginalized & poor as per Unitarianism. This can happen when three critical conditions are met 1-Capability (of leaders, institutions, technology based governance) 2- Capacity (financial resources, human talent) 3- Integrity (financial, moral & purpose) If you ask me Pakistan’s score is VERY LOW on all the three critical parameters.
If the topic was “was Muhammad Saw the greatest human being ever in the universe?” There would have been a huge crowd in the auditorium. I feel sad for Pakistan and their intelligence.
To make economic progress, woman participation in the workforce plays a very important role. Most of the very conservative Islamic countries in the middle east have severe restrictions on the role of woman in general and they are by and large confined to their homes. Another key aspect which shapes attitudes towards economic progress is education. Here in this aspect almost all the Islamic countries have severely failed to properly educate their population. There is hardly a single world class university in any of the Islamic countries at present where folks can obtain advanced degrees in Science, Mathematics or economics and so on. This happened despite their wealth (as in KSA, Iran, UAE - lot better, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Egypt etc). There is lack of emphasis on education despite. They should de-emphasize core religious education and put more efforts in educating their youth in real world skills which require knowledge of STEM courses etc. Our Muslim brothers & sisters here in India who are getting educated in non religious schools are progressing very well. India has produced from our muslim community world class scientists, doctors, engineers, teachers, bankers, economists, industrialists, and scientists. So this goes to prove that if one has the right attitude and in a proper environment they will shine and prosper. There is a saying that says play while you play and study while you study, pray while you pray, but prayers will not be answered if you only pray and not prepare and educate yourself to face real world issues.
Muslims think that education women breaks the family system and is bad in the long run. its a husband's responsibility to take care of the wife and kids
Pak should also focus on manufacturing and IT,,, india's IT export reach 300 billion and electronic export reach 42 billion,,,modi government in pli scheme has huge impact on increasing manufacturing sector,,, pak india should trade and eradicate poverty and Extremism on both side,,,,,
It is still very low for a country with 1.4 billion people For example Turkey with 90 million people export variety of goods total little less than usd 300 billion
This should not be a taboo subject. We definitely have things to improve and fix, no denying it. No need to be a religion hater either. Israel is super religious, but is a tech giant
Thanks for the discussion ! it does matters one anecdotal evidence from India if you look at Indian states most religiously vigorous states in India are the poorest (up and bihar being the prime example) . We should learn from this but unfortunately it’s hard to spread awareness on this to an mostly illiterate and emotional mass.
Even in India waqf properties benifits and minority institution muslim reserved seats were allocated to ashraf only . We need to solve this . Pakistan need caste census , land reform and a little bit of communism to balance old age colonial structure of society . Nehru family suppressed economic freedom of buisness class but did well in land/banking reform and suppressed landlord class in india.
Indian subcontinent never ruled by turkik rulers directly . They used to send farmans to force local Dharmic indian ruler to surrender big chunk of share of revenue . If they refuse the big army backed by heavy canon , handmade guns and cavalary used to invade and loot the local ruler . Many hilly/forest dense areas were never ruled/invaded like chhattisgarh . Only 10-15 years ransom money paid to mugals as they prisoned one ruler during pilgrimage to VARANASI . Most of the economic activites in indian subcontinent were controlled by Vaishya (baniya/jain/marwadi / khatri/ sindhi vaishya/ gujrati /kayastha /shetty /southern bramhins/ deccan deshmukh/ arab-european traders / bohra /syrian chritian/ parsi etc. )
Dear Dr. Hoodbhoy, you are a very learned man and all educated persons in India and Pakistan must respect you. I cannot understand why the Pakistani establishment does not listen to the advice of srnsible persons like you. The SAARC Nations coukd mskenas much progress as the ASEAN Countries if only Pakistan cooperates. If Pakistan alliws than there could be much yrade between Afghanistan, Turkistan , Khazakistan etc one the west and India, Nepal, Bangladesh snd Sri Lanka in the east. Akl of this trade would pass through Pskistan and it would get much revenue This would benefit a very large number of countries.
Aurangzeb officer of finance department Rasikdas mentions about old system of HUNDI (kind of treasury/corporate bond) . One can pay Corporate agent in Dhaka and recieve money in delhi/peshawar with security assurance .
The definition of religiosity is taken as being bigotted in one's ideas and beliefs irrespective of the fact they understand the true spirit of their religion or not. Religion is one thing and the one who claims to follow a religion is another thing . A follower may not have understood the true spirit of a religion.
As many as countries become economically united, interconnected, and prosperous, peaceful, islaam will not get anywhere to go but will have to remove the HIJAB, BURKHA, and PARDA.. This may happen within next five decades. ..
1:19:28 For answer just compare Bangladesh and Pakistan.....In Bangladesh, today, more women are going out to work and their economy is doing better than Pak......Plus female education has lowered their birth rate/population (BD is 17 crore and Pak is 23 crore).
Bangladeshi stick to their culture, language which is bengali.. Even baloch don't have identity crisis.. They consider themselves baloch first and Muslim latter...but pak. Punjabi are stuck in identity crisis
Pakistani need caste based socio- economic census to provide education and skill development for pasmanda/arzal community . After 1901 census we have no caste based data within muslim community from that region .
Read " Ain e Akbari " Abul fazal . Mugals used to grant landlord position on the basis of race and caste . Akbar granted land to Local dominant ruling caste leaders like rajput etc. and foreign ashraf syed , turrani , turkik etc. .... Reas this book (available in archives) for every sarkar he used different caste/race structure .
Caste system in India provided skilled labour in medivial era . We have more than 500 major caste ( not mentioned in religion but present in society) . Division of labour is the basis of ancient and medivial Indian progress . But after the industrial revolution the need of old caste system vanished in many areas . Likeyou don't need Teli now . But you still need singers , dancers , stone- worker , barber , cook .
After the advent of he Mughals state policy esp in rural. areas impoverished the farmers and consequently, the traders and craftsmen Indian historians are superficial and do not se the links
He is very careful in giving his opinion fearing blasphemy,As he is in Pakistan,if he cross slightest of line he knows what will be his fate.u can't speak freely in Pakistan.
Pakistan is a very communal country and I fear by seeing Pakistani channels, Hindu's are getting fearful of Muslims, by seeing the hatred against Hindu's in Pakistani society. Its making life tough for Indian muslims
If Black Hole starts giving free 10kg aata then we can see full house in such a small sitting. They may also have to shift to a bigger venue with larger sitting capacity. 😂😂😂
Muslims cant question thier religion, their bad practices. There is no freedom to question god or prophet.. Where as other religious people make fun of their gods, prophets & everything..
So few seats are occupied in the auditorium, for such an important topic. Secondly, why don't speakers speak in English? Never seen any debate and discussion in English on 'The Black Hole'.
Every discussion in Pakistan starts with Islam and ends with Islam
That's why they got separated 😅
@@Khaliftimesoffical mtlb aap bhi Indian hai kahi piche Mt rehana😂😂
Starts with mazhab and ends with current culture/world.
No Islam at all. Starts with money ends with greedy for more money
@@ToTheDayOfJudgemen You're Right Brother. But, Hardly There's Any Country More Corrupt Than Pakistan. 🙄
A Sìkh Was Kìllèd For Selling Cheap Products In Ramadan. Happens Nowhere In The World.
Even hoodbhai is confused about Pakistan Islamic matrix 🤣🤣🤣
Uppal (Hindi: उप्पल) is an Indian surname. The Khatris have a clan and the Jats have a tribe called Uppal. According to BN Puri, Uppal is derived from the Sanskrit term "utpalarana" which means "one who leaps upon their enemies". Puri further mentions it to be a part of the Bunjahi and Sareen subcaste of Khatris.
toh uska kya?
@@krupadave1975kuch nahi ,tu hilaake so jaa
The biggest comedy is more Indians are watching this show but it was actually for Pakistanis
That shows India openness to think free and listen to other side / opposite view and develop critical thinking. You being following monolithic religion, its beyond your perview.
@@Taqiyya-Slayer i hope to see this openness when Hinduism will also be criticised
@@youtubestudies4173 it's been done always since centuries as part of internal practice. In Hinduism we are allowed to question everything. Is questioning allowed in Islam?
It’s good to have more in person attendance, but please don’t jump to judge, it is not a sign of a mature mind. Rest assured, a lot many more Pakistanis watching this, like you online.
@RUclips Studies yes. Hindus are always open for improvement.
In India also one would find Gujratis as compared to others better in business. Similarly Gujrati Muslims Khoja Shias, memons and Bohras are very prominent. Similarly among Hindus Gujrati one would find Banias and Jains. In Rajsthan Marwari (region of Jodhpur, Jaisalmer and nearby) Banias and many sub castes. In Punjab Khatris or Bhapas of Peshawar were good in business. Definitely environment and family values and culture make difference.
Yes, regions economical sections affect society.....bjp is Goa sells beef, but bans in utter Pradesh....look at hindutva today , it's mere UPisation of india , where backward states like utter Pradesh and Bihar are becoming annoyingly religious and destroying social fabrik of indian society..... even the idea of Pakistan was born in utter Pradesh.
Pakistan cricketer better be to be the best bowler and Indian cricketer better be to a best batsman in the world, just because someone in the beginning was best bowler in the Pakistan and the impact is still in the generation after generation so in Indian cricketer, but can India the biggest population can't produce the best bowler like Pakistan, ofc yes but the impact of sachin tendulkar as a batsman is yk
@Alien from jupiter
Only Hebbar Iyengars others used to dominate the services and professions esp in the US
Not sure why in-person audience is so little. It is such a great channel, and like all other talks it hosted, this is an intriguing subject and an insightful discussion.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family.
Chandeep Uppal, British actress
Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012
Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police
Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer
Param Uppal, Australian actor
Paul Uppal, UK politician
Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright
Sahil Uppal, Indian actor
Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer
Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor
Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host
Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man
Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
Education and Roshan Khayali has no place in islam. What is important is, Hizab, Namaz, Kafir, Jehad etc.
@@atulkumar-pr4yo mr. Kumar, do you think making such sweeping statement, and being judgmental in this way is appropriate? Looking at what is happening in India from very hands of BJP led mobs, how would open minded Hindus feel if someone declares Hindu religion at fault?
@@andyhowse8685
late Prof J S Uppal professor of economics SUNY Albany
Lack of secular education in Pakistan. Simple.
True question is - is Pakistanis tuned towards economic progress? In one word 'NO' Pakistanis are tuned towards making quick money which is 180-degree opposite to the direction of progress.
Mr. Uppal who himself is clearly converted Muslim from Khatris and was hesitating to even mention Hindus and talked only about Buddhists. Whether he is aware of Hindus and Buddhists population worldwide. Now when talking about Hindus itself is a problem what type of studies he had carried out.🤔🤔🤔🤔
Sir...hindu hatred is first attribute of a pakistani irrespective of which strata of society he belongs to...the only difference is an educated pakistani does show it overtly, but it reflects in their discussions, I'm following pak since last one decades majority of educated pakistanis are full of hindu hatred.
you cannot take islam out of a mulla, literate or not.
The hundi system existed among Tamil merchants at least 12 centuries back. (see Ponniyin Selvana and the traders in there)
As a nation Pakistan is based on hatred of Hindus. With such a shaky foundation, you cannot expect a strong edifice.
Hindu hate is supreme
Greed has no room in Islam but creation of strong character and self fulfillment through hard work.
No communism no capitalism.
Greatful to Sir hoodbhoy for providing such platform to us Pakistanis. I hope one day I'll be among the audience
Dear sir it was an amazing session. I always follow you whether it's your articles or any news related to you. I pay huge reverence to your deeds. Thank you so much.
Amazing lecture. Every religion needs to do this kind of analysis. Kudos to Prof Hoodboy to hold discussions on such sensitive topics.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family.
Chandeep Uppal, British actress
Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012
Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police
Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer
Param Uppal, Australian actor
Paul Uppal, UK politician
Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright
Sahil Uppal, Indian actor
Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer
Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor
Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host
Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man
Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
@@dipakrautela Sir, 99% Pakis have Hindu ancestry.
@Andy Howse Hinduism to Islam is an irreversible reaction. It isn't going to happen. We can pray that once converted, they don't harbor ill-feelings for their ancestry.
@@srinisbir8781exactly Exactly
Thank you Hoodboy Sir, the whole Team and Dr Jamseed For such an amazing content
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots: don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family.
Chandeep Uppal, British actress
Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012
Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police
Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer
Param Uppal, Australian actor
Paul Uppal, UK politician
Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright
Sahil Uppal, Indian actor
Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer
Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor
Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host
Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man
Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
@@andyhowse8685 yea get well soon my man.
Problem with muslims is that islam provides kind of milatary organisation relation . It's good to rule other people and make them work for you as you take care only security work and allow them to develop individual skills . But When you have a country of pure muslim majority that too much organised social structure (command- follow) allows less freedom to develop critical thinking and modern day job skills .
Nope, the west imposes barbaric sanctions on any country which has Islamic System to not allow the growth of that country such as currently Afghanistan and HTS in Syria.
Is only paxtan The else Muslim nation in the world?
Can't your gamut fly henceforth beyond south asia?
Muslims in Albania Kosovo and Turkey are well better off, way better off than us indians in terms of percapita and HDI.
You are speculating just your limited pov in paxtan alone, considering indonesia is onset to become 3rd largest economy in the world, estimated to even surpass india and be aligned with global powers.
Limiting islam to military OR is oxymoronic, compared to the number of muslims are millionaire per capita to number of Hindus.
And did you forgot Darshan, we have 300+ million mouths to feed ?!
You are standing on a plummeting airplane flaunting *"how high we fly!"* Grow up man.
No, Muslims of Pakistan are not turned towards any progress at all, the empty seats reflect this very thesis. Sad, bitter reality!
The first question that comes to my mind is whether religion should determine the targets of progress or should universal understanding of progress should determine the scope of religion.
The learned speaker seems to advocate the latter stance. In short, they are trying a very tactful way to alienate religion from economic pursuits.
Empty seats in Hall and crowd in Political party events , worry for Pakistan future. Pak youth can not progress if they don't prioritize properly
They don't want to progress. They want to return to 7th century arab
They are all gone to the Madrassa for studying science in Aasmani kitab
As a Pakistani,I agree with you. It's worrisome youth should take part in intellectual discussions instead of protesting for the interests of a political party
Pakistani moving towards cave days of Mohammad which is called as Madine ki riyaasat..
Why you worry so much about pakistan future.....Do want more Indian soldiers get killed by these pakistanis.....Are you not satisfied with killings & terrsit attacks by these pappistani in bharat so far....do you want more?
Great lecture! As an applied microeconomist, I have some concerns regarding the identification strategy, but I can understand that Dr. Uppal was less technical in his talk to make the lecture more accessible to the general audience.
If this presentation is debated in Pakistann annd understanding culture of growing islamic countries like UAE, Indonesia is sudied and suitable culural modification attempted, many of problems can be overcome. This lecture is valuable to many countries
Why “Muslim”? I think this should be “Pakistani attitudes…”. There are several Muslim countries that do not have the kind of problems Pakistan is beset with. It is laughable that Pakistan considers itself the guardian and sole representative of all Muslims world wide.
Bcoz there are anti economic and anti developmental attitudes which are derived from islam. So it's worth discussing it
@@youtubestudies4173 not so. That would not explain the relative successes of other countries that are predominantly Muslim - BD, Indonesia, several countries in the Gulf, not to talk of Turkey that so desperately tries to look European. The crap with Pakistan is uniquely a Pakistani creation, where the national identity is all around anti-India (and therefore pro-military) and now, anti-west + all the bungling coming from inept governance and mostly intellectually bankrupt “intelligentsia”. The narrow views around their version of Islam is what has driven wedges around other sects like Ahmadiyas, Shias etc to the point where stalwarts such as Abdus Salam were made to quit the country. No, this is all uniquely Pakistani.
Indian Muslims, like Doudi Bohras are big and successful business community in India and abroad.
Azim Premji is owner of WIPRO, one of the IT giants in India.
Pharma giant CIPLA owner is an Indian Muslim.
@@anujay81. But Bohras are not considered muslim by the qaum.
Azim Premji is not a practicing muslim either.
Jamshed Uppal should come back to his Hindu roots:
Chandeep Uppal, British actress
Deana Uppal, winner of Miss India UK 2012
Dharam Singh Uppal, Indian internation track and field athlete and Superintendent of Punjab Police
Hari Uppal, Indian classical dancer
Param Uppal, Australian actor
Paul Uppal, UK politician
Priscila Uppal, Canadian author, poet and playwright
Sahil Uppal, Indian actor
Shiraz Uppal, Pakistani singer
Stephen Uppal, British-Indian actor
Tim Uppal, Canadian politician, banker, and radio host
Vikas Uppal, India's all time tallest man
Vishal Uppal, Indian tennis player
Don't forget the great Hari Singh Nalwa, commander-in-chief of the Sikh Empire was born in Gujranwala in an Uppal Khatri family.
Hats off to black hole to take up such topics and bringing to discussion focus. Great respect
I think culture makes difference whenever i see hindus or indians doing good everywhere i say the reason is culture ..and its obvious ..becoz all the ppl of indian society is growing up with those cultural values ..
In India decline started with Muslim rule for the taxation was extortionate (10% oil Muslims and at least 50% on non muslims) Farming the backbone was broken. Kings became rich but the people languished and by the time the British came the empire was too weak.
Eye opener lecture..💯
I salute you, Sir
😂😂 gandu na to muslim na pakistani teri aankhein band thi kyun
The right kind of education of women and letting them work in good organizations not only helps present generations but also the next or next to next ie their knowledge base, and what we hindus call 'sanskar'
Let our sanskar blossom when Hatras victims gets justice, when bajrang punia gets his due punishment, when SC ST Dalit are considered pure Hindus.
We have 300+ million mouths to feed, you know?
Flexing on so-called "hindu asmita" is oxymoronic.
No audience ? I would have expected a full hall for such a lecture.
Any religion that claims to have all the knowledge necessary in its book(s) is bound to be retrogressive and discourages its followers from exploring new concepts and philosophies. Of course, not all its followers will be bound by these restrictions, but a large majority will be.
More discussions like these are the need of the hour.
Pakistan of today which was Once a Place of Takshila University of the Subcontinent - the greatest place of learning in logic, mathematics, astronomy, religious debate & philosophy is going down & declining in all aspects of life & human endeavour.
What a radical teaching can do to human psychology is astounding & saddening.
Rigid ideology slowly kills the inner curiosity & questioning nature of humans in general, that's what happening with muslims across the world.
Yes
It is a good sign that people in Pskistan has begun to realise that reform and modern interpretatio of religion is required.
Overall a very good talk . The boy in white who asked last question seems well educated and enlightened. Last but not the least Dr. Pervez hoodbhoy sahab deserves appreciation for creating THE BLACK HOLE. But this very small room with very little sitting capacity is never full of listeners. It represents the Very little appreciation for intellectuals in Pakistani society. But overall a really good and sincere efforts by hoodbhoy sahab.
This is the problem in their bogus society. People will go to some political rallies but not attend such amazing lectures. Hoodbhoy Sir is a legend. However, he is a gem along with several others who deserve better.
Muslims are not one people.
The Lebanese excel in business. But, the same can't be said about all Muslims.
Just like some Christian and Hindu communities have business in their blood. But not all Christians and Hindus excel in the art of making money.
True
Bro if you are a atheist you would not think like that... Is basically the availability of resources that make one person Excel in his field.. Religion has nothing to do with it.. Look at Iran for example or North Korea both are isolated but look how they are doing in science and tech..
@@yjkbuddy North Korea no, Iran i do agree
@yjkbuddy I am an agnostic, and I believe in all religions as God is one.
Different paths to same place.
@@agonnoga6100 well it's upto you to believe what you want...i hope you dig more and become an atheist
What an excellent eye opening and hopeful lecture with excellent data points and question answer session .
Rational thinking has to be developed right from childhood instead of religious bigotry!
Eye opener lecture.
The problem is ''Muslim'' is not a homogeneous concept.
An Afghan, Indonesian and an American Muslim are all different.
Summary of survey questions and responses would have made it simpler n easier to follow trends.
I am avid follower of black hole and I'm a pakistani muslim. Just to make a point that there ARE pakistanis who are interested in debates like these. Also, I am NOT anti-indian. Yes, we exist.
Pakistanis need to prepare for afterlife. This life is transitory and must be used to pray and lead a pious life and work to spread Islam. Even Indian Muslims are doing the same
No these days they believe that Jannat will be served immediately in this life. So just chill & contribute in nation building
Ur grandfather sent a confirmation call from jannat? 😂
@@youtubestudies4173 your mom did last night.
Great program with all the proof
John Staut Mills utilitarianism is a normative ethical theory that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all maximum number of people.
If Pakistan has to be “REIMAGINED” it is imperative that maximum social-economic benefit reach the marginalized & poor as per Unitarianism.
This can happen when three critical conditions are met
1-Capability (of leaders, institutions, technology based governance)
2- Capacity (financial resources, human talent)
3- Integrity (financial, moral & purpose)
If you ask me Pakistan’s score is VERY LOW on all the three critical parameters.
As soon as religion enters the room progress escapes.
If the topic was “was Muhammad Saw the greatest human being ever in the universe?” There would have been a huge crowd in the auditorium. I feel sad for Pakistan and their intelligence.
To make economic progress, woman participation in the workforce plays a very important role. Most of the very conservative Islamic countries in the middle east have severe restrictions on the role of woman in general and they are by and large confined to their homes. Another key aspect which shapes attitudes towards economic progress is education. Here in this aspect almost all the Islamic countries have severely failed to properly educate their population. There is hardly a single world class university in any of the Islamic countries at present where folks can obtain advanced degrees in Science, Mathematics or economics and so on. This happened despite their wealth (as in KSA, Iran, UAE - lot better, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Egypt etc). There is lack of emphasis on education despite. They should de-emphasize core religious education and put more efforts in educating their youth in real world skills which require knowledge of STEM courses etc. Our Muslim brothers & sisters here in India who are getting educated in non religious schools are progressing very well. India has produced from our muslim community world class scientists, doctors, engineers, teachers, bankers, economists, industrialists, and scientists. So this goes to prove that if one has the right attitude and in a proper environment they will shine and prosper. There is a saying that says play while you play and study while you study, pray while you pray, but prayers will not be answered if you only pray and not prepare and educate yourself to face real world issues.
Muslims think that education women breaks the family system and is bad in the long run. its a husband's responsibility to take care of the wife and kids
Pak should also focus on manufacturing and IT,,, india's IT export reach 300 billion and electronic export reach 42 billion,,,modi government in pli scheme has huge impact on increasing manufacturing sector,,, pak india should trade and eradicate poverty and Extremism on both side,,,,,
It is still very low for a country with 1.4 billion people For example Turkey with 90 million people export variety of goods total little less than usd 300 billion
Power point slides are big put down for me…..!!! 😳😳
To me it lacks confidence and/ or insecurity in the presenter.
This should not be a taboo subject. We definitely have things to improve and fix, no denying it. No need to be a religion hater either. Israel is super religious, but is a tech giant
Every Pakistani Mindset is like center of a Blackhole. Where the Gravity for Jihadi is Infinite.
Never thought such a subject to be discussed in Public in Pakistan.
The subject of discussion other words:
What's the connection between Jannat, Jihad and inventions, progress, progressive thinking.
Thanks for the discussion ! it does matters one anecdotal evidence from India if you look at Indian states most religiously vigorous states in India are the poorest (up and bihar being the prime example) . We should learn from this but unfortunately it’s hard to spread awareness on this to an mostly illiterate and emotional mass.
Even in India waqf properties benifits and minority institution muslim reserved seats were allocated to ashraf only . We need to solve this . Pakistan need caste census , land reform and a little bit of communism to balance old age colonial structure of society . Nehru family suppressed economic freedom of buisness class but did well in land/banking reform and suppressed landlord class in india.
Those properties are illegal and belong to Hindu and Sikhs Migrants/Government.
Indian subcontinent never ruled by turkik rulers directly . They used to send farmans to force local Dharmic indian ruler to surrender big chunk of share of revenue . If they refuse the big army backed by heavy canon , handmade guns and cavalary used to invade and loot the local ruler . Many hilly/forest dense areas were never ruled/invaded like chhattisgarh . Only 10-15 years ransom money paid to mugals as they prisoned one ruler during pilgrimage to VARANASI .
Most of the economic activites in indian subcontinent were controlled by Vaishya (baniya/jain/marwadi / khatri/ sindhi vaishya/ gujrati /kayastha /shetty /southern bramhins/ deccan deshmukh/ arab-european traders / bohra /syrian chritian/ parsi etc. )
You are right 90-95% of Indians were never under any Islamic rulers.
Looting and taking slaves has been the Arabic tradition continued with Islam as well.
Just enforce concept of Islamic economy and do'nt allow them to charge interest or pay interest.The economy is certain to collapse
a prophecy being fulfilled already
Bang on. This is the actual reason.
Dear Dr. Hoodbhoy, you are a very learned man and all educated persons in India and Pakistan must respect you.
I cannot understand why the Pakistani establishment does not listen to the advice of srnsible persons like you. The SAARC Nations coukd mskenas much progress as the ASEAN Countries if only Pakistan cooperates. If Pakistan alliws than there could be much yrade between Afghanistan, Turkistan , Khazakistan etc one the west and India, Nepal, Bangladesh snd Sri Lanka in the east. Akl of this trade would pass through Pskistan and it would get much revenue This would benefit a very large number of countries.
What Pakistani establishment will get by listening to him? Why are you worried about Pakistan?
@@vinsin328 Pakistannis the biggest sponsor of anti Indian propaganda and terrorism.
Aurangzeb officer of finance department Rasikdas mentions about old system of HUNDI (kind of treasury/corporate bond) . One can pay Corporate agent in Dhaka and recieve money in delhi/peshawar with security assurance .
why there is a little audience ... no matter how unrealistic attitude of pakistani's towards their country .. but this session is very insightfull
The level of education in Pakistan can be understood by the number of people in the audience and lack of comments here from Pakistanis.
The definition of religiosity is taken as being bigotted in one's ideas and beliefs irrespective of the fact they understand the true spirit of their religion or not. Religion is one thing and the one who claims to follow a religion is another thing . A follower may not have understood the true spirit of a religion.
India Population
Year 1951 - Hindus 84.1% - Muslims - 9.8%
Year 2023 (est) - Hindus 78.9% - Muslims - 15.1%
"Authoritative" vs "Authoritarian"! 2nd one ="Father knows best BOSSman"
As many as countries become economically united, interconnected, and prosperous, peaceful, islaam will not get anywhere to go but will have to remove the HIJAB, BURKHA, and PARDA.. This may happen within next five decades. ..
Indians raise your hand ✋✋
In India my experience is that muslims are great until they fall under the influence of the local theology.
NO , they are not ! No science, no technology, no nothing. At least how it stands today.
1:19:28 For answer just compare Bangladesh and Pakistan.....In Bangladesh, today, more women are going out to work and their economy is doing better than Pak......Plus female education has lowered their birth rate/population (BD is 17 crore and Pak is 23 crore).
Because bangladesh got more indian influence than pakistan. ..
Pakistan promoted Arabic culture more ...but bangladesh sticked to their original form
Bangladeshi stick to their culture, language which is bengali.. Even baloch don't have identity crisis.. They consider themselves baloch first and Muslim latter...but pak. Punjabi are stuck in identity crisis
Less people.Why?. Good speech.
Islam and modern progress cannot go together, Can u condemn jinnah in Pakistan
I think that this form is not for Pakistan it is a global form which is a good thing.
Mixed economy is better to protect the rights of all segments of society.
Be careful. It has been disastrous in the first four decades in India
First of all very calculative limits should have to be put on all the budgetary expenses, then go to the next steps of sustainability.
Great!
Pakistani need caste based socio- economic census to provide education and skill development for pasmanda/arzal community . After 1901 census we have no caste based data within muslim community from that region .
I am telling this from very long
Even the mindset of Pakistani intellectuals is immersed in religious and anti Indian identity.
india wud hv been more successful without the muslim population
Read " Ain e Akbari " Abul fazal . Mugals used to grant landlord position on the basis of race and caste .
Akbar granted land to Local dominant ruling caste leaders like rajput etc. and foreign ashraf syed , turrani , turkik etc. ....
Reas this book (available in archives) for every sarkar he used different caste/race structure .
Source Trust me bro😂
Caste system in India provided skilled labour in medivial era . We have more than 500 major caste ( not mentioned in religion but present in society) .
Division of labour is the basis of ancient and medivial Indian progress .
But after the industrial revolution the need of old caste system vanished in many areas . Likeyou don't need Teli now . But you still need singers , dancers , stone- worker , barber , cook .
Caste System started in 1850 by Britishers so how that helped in medieval era. You are confused between varna, caste and Jati.
After the advent of he Mughals state policy esp in rural. areas impoverished the farmers and consequently, the traders and craftsmen
Indian historians are superficial and do not se the links
Religions divides , in division there is always conflict
Culture is to bring forward goodness in man who is the society
Every progressive pakistani should say behind me.....
Pakistan ka MASLA kya La .............
Hood boy is a great thought leader. Pakistanis need to think scientifically.
How can People grow who want to live like 1400 ago?
Look at audience? This would be a packed hall if it was happening in India.
Interesting study. I wish speaker had explained more and better. Or he did not want to explain, the unpalatable.
Hindu hatred is in the subconscious of every Pakistani.
He is very careful in giving his opinion fearing blasphemy,As he is in Pakistan,if he cross slightest of line he knows what will be his fate.u can't speak freely in Pakistan.
very boring way of presenting your case. This slides are good to read in-detail. Not like this kind of superficial way.
Pakistan is a very communal country and I fear by seeing Pakistani channels, Hindu's are getting fearful of Muslims, by seeing the hatred against Hindu's in Pakistani society. Its making life tough for Indian muslims
all that dr. uppal said about his data analytics is ok ,but his last line is a critical message about pakistan : Islamic chooran bikta hae.
I am belonging to a atheist community we are better than all religion community😊 so read richard dawkins book 🎉
Atheists only solution for Pakistan problems❤
If Black Hole starts giving free 10kg aata then we can see full house in such a small sitting. They may also have to shift to a bigger venue with larger sitting capacity. 😂😂😂
Good talk thank you for sharing sir
What's the paper name mentioned by Dr hoodboy written by Jamshed upal
Good Analysis of sir
Muslims cant question thier religion, their bad practices. There is no freedom to question god or prophet.. Where as other religious people make fun of their gods, prophets & everything..
Because Islam is not a religion but a political system.
@@vinsin328 I agree by adding 'bad' to 'political system'
@@vinsin328 I agree by adding 'bad' before 'political system'
Surname Hindu Uppal and first Muslim Jamshed. Irony and tragedy of Pakistan.
Too many of them and mostly retrograde
Didn't know some Khatris converted .......
Nazam Sethi bhi hai na .Bahut se Punjabi Hindu Sikhs and Jats got converted, like Bajwa, Uppal, Dhillon, Chouhan, Rana, and so on.
So few seats are occupied in the auditorium, for such an important topic. Secondly, why don't speakers speak in English?
Never seen any debate and discussion in English on 'The Black Hole'.
Loved it
Great
Muslim needs to rethink about their religion..