Time Edge VX Cut Up and Review
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Here is a TIME Edge VX frome that has been cut up to show you the construction method.
This bike was on the car roof rack and driven into a garage, I think it is a 2008 or thereabouts model.
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Brilliant video. It's clear this took some time to film and edit - for what it's worth we appreciate your effort.
Crazy to think that those frame being cut up can still be repaired and restored to their original state if intended and cost was not a matter, carbon fiber is amazing,
Been waiting a wee 'Time' for this video but its been well worth it. As a Time owner/rider . . .who is on the larger side (100kg) I think they are the strongest most compliant bikes out there and its great to see what the inside looks like and get a bit of independent assurance on the built quality. Thanks for the video.
Very interesting and insightful dissection. I have a Time RXRS that developed a crack on the integrated seat post. Must have been a void on the sharp edge. Fortunately Time has a lifetime warranty so I got a new frame.
Whats the difference between rxrs vs vxrs?
I really appreciate your videos. Your explanations are clear and supported with your images. Watching your videos I am developing a better understanding of carbon frameset construction. Your are a great science popularizer.
Thank you.
By the way my first Carbon bike, a Giant Cadex 980c 1992, had this type of carbon tubes bonded to aluminium lugs. I think it was Giant's first ever carbon bike.
980c was their first carbon bike I also believe. My girlfriend has a CFR 1, which was their second run.
Very detailed. Your forensics is a game changer for insurable claims.
If anyone watch the other cut up videos (F8,Bianchi,Trek) could easily see that Time is BY FAR the cleanest of em all. RTM >>>> Pina's EPS
because it's a lugged construction with premade tubes. doesn't mean it's good because they rely on adhesives to hold them up while monocoque frames does have defects throughout the whole frameset, there is not a certain point anywhere that is purely hold togather by adhesives.
you must be kgt from weight weenies?
Wish time would get their act together again. Miss seeing time bikes on the road so few now a days. My RXRS is still my favourite bike I have owned.
thanks, hard to run a business and family also video, but good content.
Can you do a video on one of your own frames? Great video Raoul!
agree! Go over design principles!
Thanks for your Time, Raoul!
Thanks Roaul! I had C-Dale CAAD5 from about 2002 that came with a Time fork. I would say that remains the nicest of all carbon part I've owned to date (to be fair i've only owned CF cranks, forks and soles of shoes). Two years ago when I walked the show room floor at NABHS, I marveled at just how nice all the Cryptic, Crumpton, Purlee, Calfee, Holland, Appleman frames where (I'd include the Colnago C-60, some of Looks and Time frames). After watching your channel since the first Maven video it seem like this method of lugs and tubes is ideal for quality control vs pre-preg and bladder molds. Yet considering most these frames are prohibitively expansive. Even premium build from the likes of Moots, Eriksen, Potts, Seven, or a frame with R-953/Columbus XCr is still roughly half the price of listed CF builders above. After all these video's you've done there just no way even at E.P. would dropping 3 to 4 grand (US) on CF frame seem like a good idea. You've repeatedly shown frames being resin rich or dry (on inside of tubes) and some having planer voids. You'd stated that CF is superior material (no question or with out a doubt) yet for more consistency it cost twice as much as premium alloy tubeset for double triangle configuration. For all the trouble to produce a CF wouldn't non-tradition shape like say Boardman's 1992-94 Lotus be the best use of material? Otherwise where's the functional threshold with double triangle frame in terms of material?
runningwithshemp That Lotus/Burrows design isn't UCI road race legal. Similar frame designs have started to become popular in high level triathlon as the ITU rules for bikes do not have a double diamond or extreme tube cross section regulation as UCI rules currently do.
Hi, thanks for this - do you know if the current time scylon is made with the same process! Look 695 will be good to see..
I have a colnago extreme c also with carbon lugs but believe it’s a different construction process, with pre-rolled carbon tubes by ATR. be interested in your thoughts on it.
Great vid. Chinarello next please.
Thanks Raoul, I finally got to watch this. I was interested as i ride a better version of that era Time frame.
Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe the lug itself takes the load at the tube junction, and the function of the adhesive is merely to prevent the whole pile of tubes falling apart. The actual bonded part of the joint isn't structural in service (if that makes sense). In contrast to a bonded frame, where the joint is formed in situ and receives the load path. Lug/tube construction is therefore much more tolerant to voids and other joint deficiencies, but is (arguably) potentially a slightly heavier construction.
My understanding is RTM has a number of advantages in this application, not the least of which is the ability to weave other fibres into the layup and customise the composite properties. If that's the case why isn't it used more often? Time is the only bike company I can think of who use it.
Thanks
Love seeing videos from you! Could you do a video going through the different manufacturing approaches in the bike industry?
It’s a bit unfair to call it a failure of the head tube lug.😅
Now if the bike destroyed the garage, would that would be non failure.
Any bike would brake up when you drive into a garage forgetting yours bikes are on too of your car lol
Certainly beyond the design limits of a typical bicycle!
Time frames are awesome
Thanx and keep us informed!
Great video! Kudos for Time! Chinarello and C60 please!!!!!
You mentioned a "lost wax" mandrel. that seems very trick. could you please explain in-depth pros and cons of cores, mandrel s and bladders?
I remember that frame and it was well.received from memory, reminds me of my.old giant cfm. That me this if resin injection still.seems pop at for car accessories and seems to favour that woven mat.
Hi Raoul, excellent review again. If able, can you show examples of 'aerospace-grade' or of some of your own constructions to better highlight how good carbon design and construction could be if time/money were less of a constraint than safety/integrity/longevity. Such as the handling of rivets / galvanic corrosion mitigation.
Thanks, some good suggestions there, I will see what I can put together.
I've an Orbea Orca from about 2006, I think its the frame you have on the wall in the shot at 8:45. Would be interested in knowing what you discovered about those frames.
This one gets last. I was an early adopter of carbon & paid a crap ton for a lugged carbon fork in the early 90's. One of the lugs failed on a downhill. It was two decades before I tried carbon again. Looks like lugged carbon technology is just about exactly where it was back there. So far...
1.)pinarello
2.)cannondale
3.)trek
4.)bmc
5.)bianchi
6.)time edge vx
There were failure on lugs on the first lugged bikes (Vitus are well known for that). Never heard of lug failure on a Time. By the way actual Time have very few lugs (backstay to bottom bracket i guess).
Great stuff, as always. When was this frame built?
It would be interesting to see a metal - carbon frame cut out. I m curently riding an old opera magnesium-carbon frame and I'm curious about the condition of the seatstay lugs....
Thanks Raoul. Fascinating stuff as always. Any chance that Canyon Aeroad frame on the wall is due to go under the saw? Would love to see what's going on in there!
The Canyon is in the queue to cut up.
Great videos. Any chance of a newer Time cut up?
Yes, I have a new one here.
Clean(ish) frame, but for the amount spent on a Time frame, the amount of voids don't look any better than for other frames
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
eye opener.. i tought their resin transfer method is superior.. i am wrong
interesting vid
Is the adhesive the davcon blue type 2 pack or another type if adhesive?
Hello Raoul, as always your videos are super interesting! Thanks!!
A suggestion: at 10:05 you quote a strength value in lbf/in^2 - would you please quote the equivalence in metric units (at least with a note over the video)?
Thanks!!
Some countries use metric, others have sent a man to the moon.
1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter#Cause_of_failure
2) I just suggested a way to improve the video understanding from the vast majority of ppl on the planet. If you want to make it a pissing contest, well... suit yourself :-)
Peace out.
If this process is so robust, why don't more manufacturers use it?
Bladder-moulded pre-preg frames are cheaper to make. It is also easier to make them lighter as they don't require extra overlapping carbon layers and adhesive on every joint. That's not to say either of those things is 'better', but that's a) what makes more profit margin, and b) the headline stat people lap up from a marketing perspective.
It failed because it hit a freaking building.
..I see them pesky voids. They're probably full of oxygen, Fueling the decay in my epoxy:/
tha(urp!)t
So funny. You have a multiple thousand dollar bike on your roof rack and you drive in to your garage like an idiot. More money than sense.