What Happens To Discarded Rocket Boosters And Old Satellites?
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- Опубликовано: 18 янв 2018
- Rockets routinely drop stages on their way to orbit, and you might wonder what happens to these spent piece of space hardware when they fall back?
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Only in China are they having a barbecue around a burning liquid rocket booster ...holy crap.
@Adan Davian Definitely not poorly-executed self-promo or scam :)
And in Rusia. By the way is. UDMM toxic carcinogenic
They'll be eating unsymmetrical dimethylhotdogs
as they say. takeoff is optional, landing is mandatory
In this case, landing is inevitable.
Not if you achieve a high enough orbit. Or reach escape velocity.
Tell that to Voyager
Voyager will land somewhere, eventually just not in our solar system.
Not necessarily. If the universe continues to expand forever it might just wander out into infinite nothingness.
Now i feel bad when I stage in KSP
To a kerbal, the greatest honor is to die a glorious space hardware related death. So let the asparagus fly my friend!
Why? Don't feel bad! Use it as an opportunity to role play with more realism!
If you're launching east, it's all ocean so you got practically nothing to worry about. If you're launching west, try to design your stages so the first one doesn't burn out until your trajectory clears all land mass and lands in the ocean. And if you're launching polar, try to always launch South!
Alternatively, try designing a Single-Stage-To-Orbit rocket, deploy your payload in LKO, and try landing that sucker! Or, deorbit it so it lands in an ocean somewhere.
Main reason why I use SSTOs
Don't worry, no one outside of the space center seems to live above ground anyway lol
now I have do deal with the morality of dropping booster shrapnel on kerbals
...nah, who am I kidding, its great fun
- Some time in march in some random place - "IT'S A BIRD, ITS A PLANE, NO!!! ITS A SPACE STATION!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Devan S. Hello there. That's no moon. It's a space station.
Murad Can Tiner xD
Imagine it hits your house while asleep
HaLuNkE ST0NER >>> My house NEVER sleeps... 😊
Okay so, it's 10 months already.
So in 1960 a cow was sacrificed to send a rocket in space? I KNEW IT, IT ISNT SCIENCE, IT'S MAGIC
the real reason cows are heavily consumed is beacuse beef lets you see the earth in three dimensions, a couple years or so without beef would result in mass panic, so it is customary for space agencies to sacrifice a cow and eat hamburgers before a launch. M A G I C B E E F. (this is all a joke fyi)
Evan Larson I don't need a stinky beef burger... I got a pork souvlaki...
This is why vegans should not support space exploration or eat rockets
Are rockets considered vegan food?
ooh im popular, uhh uhhhhhh date me yanderes xxxx
Rip cuban cow
Thus the start of the idea that UFO's slaughter cattle. LOL
That cow died for science. We must respect its sacrifice.
A moment of silence for the cow.
F
Muffin4771 what cow?
Please don't drop pieces of your Skylab on Australia unless you want a fine for littering
Lack of Gravitas
I was 4 when Skylab deorbited. I heard was coming, so I sat in the living room watching the sky all day. Unfortunately, I later discovered that the Earth is relatively large.
Can I take some of the Skylab bits to South Australia and return an earn 10c?
Lack of Gravitas which I understand they still haven't paid
The bottle-o guy would be pretty miffed I imagine.
it got paid by a US radio dj, can't remember who. It was a $400 fine.
It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop.
thats like saying that death doesn't kill you, but the lack of activity in your nervous system
Makes perfect sense. How fast you stop matters.
Yea. Its like a trampoline for example. You wont break your legs because it takes the kinetic energy from you and will send you back up.
If you fall on concrete though, you will break your leg.
not from space, the atmospheric friction could kill you before you get to an halt
"Speed has never killed anybody. Suddenly becoming stationary, THAT'S what gets you"
-Jeremy Clarkson
I can Imagine what the warning from the Chinese government to their citizens was like
"Attention residents of the area: please carry an umbrella today."
Or even better, Residents, remember to not bring you umbrellas, and watch the Sky's. Gonna have some very large hail today ;).
Living condicions in China are 10 times bether than in U.S.
Sanel Šabanovič you're kidding, right?
Uraneum No. You don,t see homles people beging in China capital city or Shang Hai or Hong Kong. Gues what you see in New York, Chicago, ...
Look up some statistics. I'm not gonna argue with something this blatantly false
warning: expect falling high tech debris daily, explosions may occur and you are responsible for any injuries you sustain while going normally about your life while being crushed and exploded by our rockets.
ifo What's with all the people stating the obvious that was mentioned in this video? Is it an inside joke about this channel?
lololo , that's so true , they did mention it, but I think that's basically what they had left the with...
I'd be running as soon as I saw that orange cloud. Nasty stuff.
Just tell teenagers that there's a RUclips challenge to lick it all up.
mahnarch hey bro bet you I could do it *licks* ohh god *coughs up blood* gahhh elh UUHHHJ *Blood starts coming out of nose* bro that was awesome
+Mahnarch Forbidden juice
Locals were like hey folks , let's breath in some of that shit and die
In 1979 when the Skylab fell back to earth it landed in Western Australia, the Esperance shire council sent NASA a $400 fine for littering that they never paid.
Did you know a lady dropped dead when Skylab fell back to earth. She was so afraid of getting hit by it she was lying in bed and suddenly sat up and cryed out " SKYLAB!" then died. Well, thats the story I heard.
They need to chase nasa up on that $400 fine
So if a plane ever crashes in that town will they charge the dead owner for littering?
@@Kni0002 That was 1979, the fine now.. for not paying is $1,000,000 and counting !!
Lol
"It's not about how far you fall, it's about how fast you hit the ground" - before this week is done I;m gonna use that in cinversation.
Hmm. That's what she said?
Cinversation? Is that talking by way of a movie? You cant just start making up words, man!!
Learn your grammar, brother
No mention of skylab parts landing in Western Australia? I'm not old enough to have watched it but my mum and her family did, heard the sonic booms too. Today some of the recovered parts, like a water tank, are on display in Esperances museum, alongside old tractors and trains. I'm fairly sure this is where my interest in manned space flight started.
launchsquid oh yeah. That one time USA got a ticket for littering from Australia.
Thats awesome! I remember my dad and I sitting on the roof of our house in Maryland hoping to see some action during one of Skylabs last predicted orbits. Nothing happened but I think it helped spark my interest space of space/science. Carl Sagans Cosmos did as well, groundbreaking series it was.
Do they charge? Because they fined NASA for littering. NASA never paid it though.
One of my favorite anecdotes is when Skylab fell from orbit onto the Australian outback, an oxygen tank actually landed on a rabbit and squashed it flat. The Australians fined the American space agency approximately $800 for littering. As far as I know to this day, the bill still has not been paid.
Incredible.
That has to be the most expensive way to kill (hunt ? ^^) a rabbit in the entire history of mankind
Homo ostralopithecus would be impressed
4:15. That small yellow dot on Michigan, I’ve been there. It’s clear out on the very tip of the Keweenaw Peninsula. It’s a decent sized concrete launch pad and had part of a metal ring with the cardinal directions on it. I believe it was originally used for weather stuff. Very small rockets that could barely touch the edge of space. It’s a neat piece of NASA history but sad to see it’s slowly being taken back by nature.
This is the kind of moment where i'm happy to live so far north
MrHack4never We used to have to endure the Space Shuttle's sonic boom when we lived in Orlando. It was no big deal.
I live in Ireland, there’ll be no rockets coming near here
England is so far from anything space related I reckon I’m OK
I found a piece of Skylab by my family farm in Parkes. That or it was a beer can thrown out the window by a truck driver.
Hello.
You should make it a tourist attraction
Parkes? The Dish...sneaky good movie.
A Chuck Norris beer can!
Imagine a million dollar worth of metal scraps fall back onto your backyard.
The single most amazing thing I've ever seen was a 2nd stage Long March booster reenter. I was out in the Sierra mountains so I had an amazing view. It was incredible.
"The F-1 engine is the biggest rocket engine ever built."
Imagine if they built the Sea Dragon. Holy sh*t. Have you seen the size of that engine?!
Yeah, an engine of that size would've just torn itself apart from combustion instabilities.
Funny story: shortly after sputnik lauched, my grandad decoratet a old, half disasembled whashing machine with some aluminum foil and lights. Then he put it into his neighbours backyard who called the police because he thought sputnik has landed.
I really like the way you ended this, really wraps it all up nicely and delivers a valuable point.
This is super cool. Also, are you going to ever continue Galeleio Conquest? It was my favorite series so far, and I know alot of people who loved it as well
lol that shit fell down right in their town
John-Thomas Abbott i bet they thougt it was a bomb
maybe NK nuclear program?
Hearing an explosion and then a mushroom cloud in the distance would send me packing. Even if it were a small cloud.
Always making great content Scott. Exciting year for space. I am happy to see SN4 pass pressure tests last night.
Excellent summary with some great footage! Thanks Scott!
can someone drop a piece of satelite in my backyard? I was thinking about going to Baikonour to get one of the Burans but it might be a little difficult
bro i'd want to own a chunk of satellite too, but it's not like a chunk of that Chinese space station is gonna land in my back yard either... right?
I would consider myself lucky if that happened, considering how big the planet is
Nonsense. It's a former Soviet cosmodrome located in an isolated desert in Kazakhstan...what could possibly go wrong during an unannounced visit (to steal hardware)?
East Coast of florida is littered on the sea bed of older test rockets. Granted they are settled and you'll need to detect them. They werent all recovered.
Could abandoned oil drilling rigs be used as launch platforms. They are in various locations: east coast US, gulf of Mexico, west coast US, etc.
There is a mobile maritime launch platform called Sea Launch, it was used between 1999 and 2014 for 32 successful launches (and 3.5 failures) of Zenit-3SL rockets into geostationary transfer orbit for comm satellites for companies like DirecTV or XM Satelite Radio . It was a joint operation by Russian Energia (who provided 3rd stages), Boeing (integrator and payload enclosures), Norwegian Aker Solutions (who built the platform and command ship) and Ukrainian SDO Yuzhnoye (who made first two stages of Zenit-3SL). It's now owned by Russian S7 Airlines.
Turns out it's worth it to haul parts of rocket from Dnipro, Ukraine and Seattle, US to Long Beach, California for assembly, load it onto mobile launch platform and travel for 11 days/3000 miles to the launch site in the middle of Pacific Ocean, just to get a bit of extra Delta-V from launching straight from equator - between extra rotational speed of the Earth and no need of inclination change, you could get 25% more mass into geostationary orbit compared to launching from Cape Canaveral. Plus you can launch into any inclination, because there isn't any land nearby. You don't get shut down by wayward ships and planes in range, so you don't need to scrap launches as often too.
I think the hard part would be getting a rocket on one of them
6:03 - Wearing headphones, that scared the hell out of me.
Thank you for making this video! Very informative and great photos/footage.
Laika on Sputnik was remembered, why not that cow?
Laika was not on sputnik
Sputnik 2.... whatever.
Cow did not have a name.
paul austin it was a commie dog
Laika didn't produce methane in confined areas.
This is your best vid yet
therealnightwriter If only explaining everything with CGI was acctually a valid strategy. "That bad grade I got... yeah totally government CGI" "That Spacestation you can occasionally see in the sky is actually a hologram payed for by the shadow government of the world"
When will people ask the question "Why would lie to me and what profit would they gain from doing so"
Granted the thing spaceX would gain is sponsorship money but that would essentially be cancelled out by the cost of producing CGI for every booster landing they do, almost (or all) of which are getting livestreamed nowadays.
Fun fact: the 4 strap-on boosters and the white fairing of Soyuz fall back to Earth, about 350 kilometers downrange from Baikonur launchsite, where these are recovered for the metal. Swiss watch-company Werenbach even produces wristwatch dials from the scrap metal of these flown Soyuz launchvehicles... After 2 minutes, the 4 boosters fall back from an altitude of 50 kilometers !
Great video! I love the fact that I started playing KSP from boredom and have now expanded my knowledge of space junk :-)
RIP Cow.
Probably better than becoming dog food though. Or Big Macs.
@@newsgetsold 1.353 billion people from India would disagree with either of these... ;-)
Orange smoke. Don't breath this.
Also, don't eat yellow snow.
Love this video, what great info and so much enjoyment watching it. Had to do a double take just because didn't want to miss anything. TY
Scott Manley, thank you for these educational labors of love you deliver which answer those 2am questions about space flight. Always factual, informative and well edited.
*CAN WE MAKE FILING IN PORTRAIT MODE ILLEGAL? WHY WOULD YOU FILM LIKE THAT?*
Dave B you mean *FILMING* not *FILING* right?
In the case of the falling rocket ... it was dropping almost straight down and the vertical framing would contain the most data and focus on the booster. It also looks good with the FG giving reference to an almost urban landing.
Can you keep said rocket parts after they fall back down to earth?. I really like to have an engine bell as a display.
It's yours.
Some pieces are still out there years after they returned to Earth anyway.
I'd definatly keep it- if it still retains its shape I'd clean it out and build the ultimate man-cave
Phoe Phoe good luck doing that even with the F-1 engine!
Amazing video thank you Scott!! Thoroughly enjoyed it
It is good to have a few channels I know I can trust, thanks and keep up the good work!
Ah, that's called Point Nemo. I knew it was a thing, but not that it had a name.
In this video, Scott has displayed one of the few appropriate uses of a selfie-stick.
I was stationed at Vandenberg, from 1975-76. Got to watch a Minuteman and Atlas launch. I lived about 11 miles away, in Lompoc and one day they launched a Titan IIIC. I could feel the ground shake and hear the engines. Due to my job as a telecom tech ( we went practically everywhere), I got to see the various SLC and missiles being assembled
Thank you for your good work - we love it! Many many thumbs up
hah! if a engine lands in my living room I'll turn it into a coffee table and say it was always there! ;)
What orbit is Tiangong in? I mean there's gotta be a max/min latitude it could fall on. That can put at least some people at ease 😛
I think it's something like 42 degrees max, with highest chance of landing near the +/-40's latitudes.
That last I've heard is that the station is still under control and will splash down in the ocean. Or at least that's what the chinese engineers are saying.
So they have no idea but betting on ocean is a 70% chance on Earth... xD
Well, I guess no one can really know if they're lying about having control. But I, for one, don't see any reason to disbelieve them.
I have every reason to disbelieve everything that could, would, or should come from a Chinese agency.
May I remind you they work for the Communist Party.
They have to. Or else they'd be dead.
Awesome stuff ,mr Manley !salute to you.fl USA
You forgot to mention the Space Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters as some of the stuff that was recovered from sea every time to restore and reuse.
Greate vids! Cheers from Uruguay!
I was wondering what happened to the Chinese space station
ESA are concerned that the station could deorbit over Europe and hit European cities or other population centres.
Hoplophobic Fake news network makes it "lost control".
Anyway, there is no price to pay for making fake news,specially when finally the station makes a controlled splash down.
vc Biller Vomiting about fake news while not providing a source is basically fake news in and of itself. Go sit down.
The station reached its "end-of-life" in 2016. Supposedly planned. They said at the time, the telemetry equipment was defunct and the station was simply planned to fall.
Recently, China claims it is still in control of Tiangong. China's claims are dubious, but what is clear is that it has a very low chance of hitting anything except oceans.
Source: 10 seconds of googling and avoiding "doom and gloom" headlines.
Seraephus Actually, according to ESA's website on Space Debris, ESA thinks that there's a good chance that Tiangong-1 could deorbit, or at least fall over Europe. Depending on when it deorbits, it might not be over oceans, but instead land, and that's a great concern for ESA.
vaska00762 No, that's not what they said. They said "we can already exclude the possibility that any fragments will fall over any spot further north than 43ºN or further south than 43ºS,” and then go on to say, “This means that reentry may take place over any spot on Earth between these latitudes, which includes several European countries, for example.”
That statement is quite misleading... it's like from New York to the middle of Argentina... or from Spain to past Africa's southernmost point.... it's a huge area that happens to include some European countries. And a lot of water.
Anyone here after this is happening again?
me, china fucking up everything again
Always bringing in the little tidbits of info that grasp our attention and that we've all wondered about.
Every year I go to space camp at the Cosmosphere in Kansas and it's great to see that they worked on getting those first stage boosters out of the water
I've been wondering lately whether there is any negative environmental impact of so many rocket boosters falling into the ocean. There must be thousands by now. I can't think of any toxic materials that boosters would have, except for maybe a small amount of lead in electronics from old boosters. It seems likely that any booster would become some sort of artificial reef. It would be cool to send more submersibles to boosters to see what they look like. There's probably an area of the coast of Florida with a high density of them.
Insignificant
The ocean is a huge place...
considering everything ELSE people tend to dump into the oceans (chemicals, trash, ships, Shipping disasters involving oil tankers runoff, etc etc. I doubt even a few hundred thousand tons of rocket housing pegs the meter much. As you said, they probably make pretty good artificial reefs.
Yes and now.
Yes as in the immediate surroundings. the chemicals uses as propellant likely don't burn out fully and they can be highly dangerous materials. Same with other materials that decompose over time (insulation, foam etc).
But at the larger scale it doesn't matter.
Like - put a drop of vinegar in a swimmingpool of distilled water - you can measure that it was added, but there are no consequences to that and when you drink it you would not be able to taste it.
But still i think it should not be allowed to dump your rocket-waste into the ocean. over time such a complex system might react differently. And imo there is no need for us to change or destroy habitats.
Those boosters will become a nice habitat for fish.
Bakuryu0083 has it. Plastic plague is a much much bigger problem. Still, SpaceX is kinda working on the best solution to booster dumping anyway....reusable rockets!
Must come down!
:( He changed the title
Was: What Goes Up... Space Debris Falling to Earth
Now: What Happens To Discarded Rocket Boosters And Old Satellites?
I was just searching for this topic yesterday, thanks scott!
Scott, I really love your Content. Keep up the good Work!
any kerbal player knows to use parachutes on your boosters... mmm maybe you should send them a copy Scott...
Parachutes= weight and complication.
Any kerbal player knows Kerbin system is scaled down drastically
Yeah but it's still coming down somewhere
Hey Scot why didn’t you mention the guy who died due to the Soyuz booster landing near him and starting a fire which killed him in Kazakhstan?
Booster didn't land near him, fake news.
keeper nod is right, and the man was a pubis farmer.
Is very niiiice!
that rocket stage that landed in the outback is on display at the William Creek pub, a tiny little town in outback South Australia where there's a pub, an airstrip and a few rural properties nearby and that's it
Falling back to earth sounds somewhat graceful... _”they burnout after launch”_ ... Then the thing touches down and flat out explodes while lighting up the sky.
Scotland makes good rockets which fly over Flat Earth
SpaceX : let's recover what we have built.
Other space agencies : drop it.
One crashed near our shopping mall when I was a kid. Children played in it for years and we all pretended it was a real rocket.
Wasn't it actually a real rocket though?
@@Network126 It's hard to tell; in those days I believed everything I was told on the news.
Scoot could you please make a video about whet it would take to clean up the main fragments floating in space from all sorts of rockets, lost tools and so on? By slowing them down, catching them or what ever mean avaible.
elon collects them for parts
johnny llooddte so does your mum
@@shadowxxe
Dayum son.
It would be quite cool for a satellite or rocket part to come crashing though your roof.
Correction: It would be quite cool for a satelite or a rocket to come crashing through *somebody else's* roof. ;)
But then they get to keep it :(
Only if you get to keep it.
hey ethan! nice to see ya here!
remember me?
The Ariane boosters are interesting. I was at SABCA once, the factory that makes the rings of the solid boosters (but not the propellant). They had one of the old recovered boosters for inspection. I asked if they were damaged after launching. The engineer told me they were perfectly fine, with no damage at all, and reusing them would be easy, but that the company had no interest in refurbishing them, since making boosters made them a lot more money then just cleaning them.
I love your vids , they are very informative
I remember the Skylab story about where they we not sure where it was going to come down so I had a t-shirt printed with the slogan “Official Skylab Target” - it got a few laughs! 😁
0:11 when the sun rises and sets within 2 seconds
Very good video Scott !
Chemical cutters used in gas/oil for cutting pipe downhole also produce orange smoke. They use bromine trifluoride. Used it first hand in North Dakota doing wireline in the Bakken.
+Chad Bremer I hope you avoid breathing that stuff
For sure. Nasty stuff. Assembly and tear down are both pretty dangerous with those tools. But, they work extremely well. Razor clean cut as long as you are in a hole full of water. Bakken is a very brine heavy formation, so always water in the well. Chemical cutters are the cutting tool of choice when applicable.
As always... most excellent sir.
I remember sitting in a lecture on space debris several years back when I was in grad school. It was back when the decision was made to use the portion of TRMM's fuel that was supposed to be reserved for deorbit to instead extend the mission. Someone caught the lecturer off guard when they asked a question regarding possession of debris, should it land on their house (we all used TRMM's data in our research, so how cool would having a piece of TRMM be?), and the long and short of it was "The agency that launched probably still owns it", but the lecturer wasn't entirely sure.
Do you know if that's true?
geez I was on vacation and missed this one.. ah the price of getting old two new Scotts back to back... wow!
That extract from how NOT to land an orbital rocket booster
The flight over populated areas rules actually got waived once for the shuttle on STS-36. The payload was supposed to fly from Vandenberg but in 1989 they mothballed the shuttle facilities there before their first flight. Apparently it flew over Boston.
Great video Scott, as always!
Wanted to tell you, some time ago you did a video on Angels Fall First. The game changed quite a lot, you should check it out again. Devs are still struggling to maintain a good population on the servers but things are improving.
I should play a round or two again...
Chinese weather forecast must be fun: "...... on monday expect to be cloudy, with occasional rain of toxic boosters. And now Zhang with sport studio......."
On good days, if I am looking in the right direction in the right time, I can see Vandenberg launches. I saw one this week, SO NEAT!
Awesome vid liked before watching
Topic is very interesting. Good job
You if have the sky guide app it tracks satellites along with discarded rocket stages, directly in front of me is a cosmos 2369 rocket body it's the upper stage of a Zenit 2 launch system, the app does lots of other things but I'll just mention this one because of the video
Found Tiangong 1 it's right below me
When Tiangong 1 is above you, then I think you should worry :P
Just because you are good at copying, doesn't mean you are good at copying everything.
Excellent video. I suspect this will go viral in the space community as well
thumbs up, very good Mr. Manley, sounds like you are very versed in space production, I was one of those children who grew up during the cold war watching live apollo missions of men going to the moon and to a fourth grader that made astronauts pioneerong heroes, really amazing how far it has all come, space junk in the early days wasnt even considered noteworthy, now that the info/comm age is here we can see for ourselves the effects.
6:38 nice Von Karman waves in the background .
Simply the best!
Cool video, thanks for sharing
Very nice video. I heard there's a parking orbit for decommissioned sats. Surprised that never got a mention.
I saw that orange plume and instantly knew what it was. I've watched enough NileRed and Cody'slab lol
Now I see what that little symbol on the side of the Progress/Soyuz boosters was. From a distance, it looed to me like they were advertising Marlboro Menthols.
i love this kind of videos!
Great video.
Everything falls at the same acceleration in vacuum. When comparing heavy stuff, its a question of how hard you hit the ground(weight) and if it can stand the heat.
Its not about how fast you hit the ground in this case
Space-X landing on that pontoon still blows my mind!
Wait, Dinitrogen Tetroxide is N2 O4 right? Couldn't you simplify it to N O2? Or Nitrogen Dioxide? Or is that only for Ionic compounds?