How Honda’s 2.2L Engine Makes Over 700 Horsepower

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  • @EngineeringExplained
    @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +500

    *IMPORTANT CORRECTION:* In this video I state the boost pressures are 1300-1650 mbar *above atmospheric,* as is indicated on IndyCar's website (bit.ly/2XvviEU). This information, and the website, are not correct. Two IndyCar engineers have since notified me the boost pressures are absolute, meaning the gauge pressure for these engines above atmospheric is about 300-650 mbar, or about 4-9.5 psi. This is *significantly* less boost than discussed in the video. The math makes sense as well with the update. With pressure ranging from 1300 to 1650 mbar, and power ranging from 550 to 700 HP, we can do some quick ratios to see if it adds up. 1650/1300 = 1.27. 700/550 = 1.27. The power gain is thus proportional to the gain in pressure. E85 plays a larger role in power generation than the video indicates, and makes up for the gap that the "reduced" boost makes. Apologies for providing incorrect information, and thank you to the engineers who reached out with corrections and supporting materials! Mistakes happen; I will always do my best to provide corrections if necessary! Hopefully IndyCar will correct their website as well to reduce future confusion.

    • @devilsoffspring5519
      @devilsoffspring5519 5 лет назад +6

      *Very* important correction! :) Thanks for clearing up. It seems obvious to me that the Civic 4-lunger certainly isn't running anywhere near that boost pressure either, certainly not on pump gas at 9.8:1 compression!

    • @jakecole7447
      @jakecole7447 5 лет назад

      @@devilsoffspring5519 Yes it will. Corrections because of knocking will be done via ignition timing.

    • @devilsoffspring5519
      @devilsoffspring5519 5 лет назад +1

      @@jakecole7447 It really runs at well over 20 PSI boost on pump gas at 9.8 CR? Somehow I really doubt it. For 300HP on a 2.0 liter 4, more like less than 10 PSI.
      20+ PSI shouldn't be necessary for 300 HP, nowhere near that much.

    • @jakecole7447
      @jakecole7447 5 лет назад +6

      @@devilsoffspring5519 dude... Just Google it. They run 22-25 psi Stock. And no you dont teach 310 HP with that RPM and compression with 10 psi. Modded 5.2 Liter v10s run that sorta boost.

    • @totaltwit
      @totaltwit 5 лет назад +2

      My suggestion, remake the video where this gets corrected/discussed otherwise we get false data implanted into our brain. That's why this sort of vid is good, we have a stab at how we see things, "experts" pop up and offer valuable info, we all gain. Good job. These question have wizzed though my mind, I'm a curious engineer. I'd like to know the detail of F1 engines compared to a powerful commercial engine. I know octane and revs are the main ones. One comment by an expert was, tolerance are greater (and well defined) on a sports engine, longlevity is not the criteria.

  • @KaDaJxClonE
    @KaDaJxClonE 5 лет назад +2837

    Swap the honda indie motor into your S2000. Bet you wont sell it then.

    • @Neoangel21
      @Neoangel21 5 лет назад +96

      that would make an awesome SEMA build ^^,

    • @wumpusthehunted2628
      @wumpusthehunted2628 5 лет назад +142

      And need a new one after 2,400 miles? Well, that might make a multipart RUclips video with a mechanic or two.

    • @chrisnas1483
      @chrisnas1483 5 лет назад +1

      Lol

    • @orangeman9237
      @orangeman9237 5 лет назад +11

      I'll do it :D

    • @How2HateYT
      @How2HateYT 5 лет назад +166

      @@wumpusthehunted2628 to be fair itd probably be fine for a lot more than 2400 miles if it wasnt being revved to redline every 4 seconds lol

  • @wrth
    @wrth 5 лет назад +1169

    Jason is probably having dreams about this V6 in his S2000

    • @joshuaduplaa9033
      @joshuaduplaa9033 5 лет назад +11

      GamerZoneArmy only if he wasn’t selling it

    • @alimahdavi2276
      @alimahdavi2276 5 лет назад +10

      Hope it doesn't end in nocturnal emissions!

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 5 лет назад +6

      @@alimahdavi2276 XD
      That was too good! Though I didn't verbally respond to that, I did freeze for several seconds to hold in my laughter, thanks for that.

    • @jcmarin3223
      @jcmarin3223 5 лет назад

      I doubt it. The S handles very well with its 4 banger. The sixer, even if it lighters, might throw off the s balance.

    • @snafuequals
      @snafuequals 5 лет назад

      JC Marin I think with that kind of power you'd actually need to shift the balance toward the rear in order to maximize exit speeds.

  • @RamosDominicano
    @RamosDominicano 5 лет назад +983

    How does Honda make over 700hp from a 2.2L engine?
    Stickers. Lots of stickers.

    • @roberts2816
      @roberts2816 5 лет назад +40

      and a fart can muffler like all the ones rolling on the streets.

    • @zuestoots5176
      @zuestoots5176 5 лет назад +6

      witchcraft.

    • @spankthemonkey3437
      @spankthemonkey3437 5 лет назад +7

      Remi Ramos a big eBay turbo

    • @DutchBart666
      @DutchBart666 5 лет назад +9

      They make more with the 1.6 liter V6 turbo hybrid that they use in F1

    • @DiscoR53
      @DiscoR53 5 лет назад +6

      Vtec yo!

  • @chastonchurch7862
    @chastonchurch7862 5 лет назад +415

    The question is, "how do i drop this into my 99' Civic?"

    • @skippy1239
      @skippy1239 5 лет назад +12

      @James Smith K or B either one will get you boostability. K20 is pretty high comp compared to B20 or K24 and therefore might not be as good for boosting, but yeah, B18/B20/K24 are your cheapest bets, go grab one out of an old CRV or TSX for 200$ at a pick and pull.

    • @michael_twtd_bryant8923
      @michael_twtd_bryant8923 4 года назад +10

      Buy a k24 .....watch boostedboiz

    • @mfswylin
      @mfswylin 4 года назад +4

      K series and B series is always a great choice

    • @paull3179
      @paull3179 4 года назад +7

      You would need a new engine every week. Totally useless engine.

    • @rileymannion5301
      @rileymannion5301 4 года назад +2

      Get a j series swap with twins it wont rev as high but she'll definatley rip

  • @Chad4200
    @Chad4200 5 лет назад +982

    the answer is VTEC BABYYY

    • @Creeperboy099
      @Creeperboy099 5 лет назад +31

      C. AF *BBWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*

    • @sergiosjj8780
      @sergiosjj8780 5 лет назад +5

      No VTECH X-TREEMMMMMMMM

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +125

      Haha, funny enough this has a fixed cam profile (as regulated), but the Type R does have vtec on the exhaust. Once turbos got involved variable lift wasn't as important on the intake, so it's been dropped.

    • @geracervantes2362
      @geracervantes2362 5 лет назад +8

      @@Creeperboy099 donut media flashback

    • @imbirx
      @imbirx 5 лет назад +21

      Moar pawer baby

  • @maxxas5067
    @maxxas5067 5 лет назад +422

    Would be cool if honda made a rwd possibly 6 or 4 cylinder s3000
    We're waiting Honda It's time and we know what you can do

    • @AnthonyBrusca
      @AnthonyBrusca 5 лет назад +31

      S3000 would be too big. There's no reason to put a 3L engine in such a small car. The 2000 in S2000 stands for CC. Honda actually makes an S600 for Japan only.

    • @maxxas5067
      @maxxas5067 5 лет назад +2

      @@AnthonyBrusca we in the 1000s
      100s was way back

    • @maxxas5067
      @maxxas5067 5 лет назад +26

      @@AnthonyBrusca and there is no such thing as to big

    • @AnthonyBrusca
      @AnthonyBrusca 5 лет назад +16

      @@maxxas5067 Yes, there is. That tiny two seater car will never be able to handle the power, it would be all squirlly. The current S600 has a mid/rear engine too.

    • @Creeperboy099
      @Creeperboy099 5 лет назад +7

      S3000? That’s going to only be a V6 for sure...

  • @jonjonr6
    @jonjonr6 5 лет назад +467

    Honda: we can only tell you it makes above 700hp, and the bore.
    Jason: (does some math), so your engine has this stroke, uses this much fuel, has up to this much horsepower and torque, and can probably go this fast estimating the drag co-efficient of a typical formula one car.
    Honda: damn, don't ever tell that guy anything

  • @SufferingAddict88
    @SufferingAddict88 5 лет назад +243

    12k rpm? Anyone remember the good old day when we had F1 cars with 20k rpm? pepperidge farm remembers...

    • @BobbyB910
      @BobbyB910 4 года назад +8

      Yea I member

    • @redactedrider7606
      @redactedrider7606 4 года назад +16

      This is indy car though...

    • @basuo8378
      @basuo8378 4 года назад +5

      same with my 250CC bikes that had 19k RPM

    • @duduychony9747
      @duduychony9747 4 года назад +5

      Boomer

    • @kresimircosic9035
      @kresimircosic9035 4 года назад +12

      @@duduychony9747 I don't think you tards realize how old boomers are xD

  • @TheAdatto
    @TheAdatto 5 лет назад +106

    My miata can that too. I calculated i have to have 32500rpm

  • @HondaProJason
    @HondaProJason 5 лет назад +89

    So much great info! Thanks Jason for creating this. Learning is Fun

  • @john-danielmartin8753
    @john-danielmartin8753 5 лет назад +418

    Says he's going to sell the S2000 and Honda is like come see our 700 hp 12000 rpm engine

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 5 лет назад +6

      Some civic engines are able to roll up to 11000 rpm with some little upgrades

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 5 лет назад +44

      @keith cunningham yeah, and for how long did it ran? 15 minutes?

    • @dlozza2000
      @dlozza2000 5 лет назад +1

      keith cunningham got you good 😂

    • @TheBb6prelude
      @TheBb6prelude 5 лет назад +2

      @keith cunningham I highly doubt that

    • @BlueRice
      @BlueRice 5 лет назад +9

      @keith cunningham honda made over 1000hp with 1.6L normally aspirated engine for formula engine carol shelby never competed because he couldnt make one.

  • @OiBaWbAg
    @OiBaWbAg 5 лет назад +164

    Great video, very informative. As an engineering student I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work

  • @ruthun
    @ruthun 4 года назад +24

    "Jesse, don't. He's probably got a $100 000 under the hood of that car"

  • @keithjones7024
    @keithjones7024 5 лет назад +84

    You can have any power you like with forced induction as long as the block is strong enough. BMW proved this in the 80's with 1400 hp on a 4 cylinder engine much smaller in capacity than this Honda.

    • @jorge8596
      @jorge8596 4 года назад +17

      Yeah 1.5L I4 running 5bar of boost on a massive turbo. I can't imagine how much power modern F1 engines would make if they only had to last for 3 laps and had unlimited fuel flow, probably upwards of 2000hp

    • @IDontWantAHandle101
      @IDontWantAHandle101 4 года назад +12

      I'm looking at my 1986 yamaha rd350ypvs. Dyno says 90 bhp at the flywheel.
      It's an ex Stan Stephens race bike.
      Cranks don't last too long but it's pretty fun to ride.
      The peak revs are about 16k.
      It absolutely screams >:)
      That is approximately 257 bhp/litre,,,,, not bad for non turbo running normal petrol premix.

    • @petrichor649
      @petrichor649 4 года назад +3

      @@IDontWantAHandle101
      Hey, takes me back...
      I had a Stan tuned LC race engined on the road for a bit, it was so fast, never got the engine past a 1000 miles without a rebuild 😁

    • @IDontWantAHandle101
      @IDontWantAHandle101 4 года назад +1

      @@petrichor649 No pain no gain!!!
      I have a TDR 250 too.
      That will be the last I get rid of. Hooligan machine.
      Does less to the gallon than my Range Rover :)

    • @tony_5156
      @tony_5156 4 года назад

      James Smith I mean that’s not impressive as a race with turns .

  • @robteuwen4158
    @robteuwen4158 5 лет назад +49

    I love how your adrenalin induced reactions always prove you are a real engineer. :-). Keep up the good work!

  • @dariodalcin5177
    @dariodalcin5177 5 лет назад +372

    With all that correction turns out I have a Bugatti engine in my fiat panfa

  • @Donut
    @Donut 5 лет назад +17

    Love the vid, and definitely love when those little motors push out #MOPOWABABEH! :D

  • @bdb3350
    @bdb3350 5 лет назад +63

    As a part time engine builder; when I’m asked “how much HP can you get out of my engine?”
    My answer is “ How deep are your pockets”

    • @TeejtheDeej
      @TeejtheDeej 3 года назад +2

      "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go..."

    • @bdb3350
      @bdb3350 3 года назад +1

      @@TeejtheDeej
      Exactly.
      The more money the person has the faster they can go. The cool thing is today's 4 cylinder engines can out perform V 8 engines even on a budget. 300 hp reliable on stock components,1/3 the weight, less parasitic friction loss, its a win.

    • @bdb3350
      @bdb3350 3 года назад +2

      @@TeejtheDeej
      I'm building a planned 500+hp 2.4 Ecotec for a customer. As of August 2021 he's $15,000 USD into parts and machine work. Its going into a mid 80's Camaro. I'm expecting it to eat 8 cylinders all day long. I should be strapping it to the dyno this coming spring.

  • @WoodyW2k
    @WoodyW2k 5 лет назад +8

    Couldn’t stop grinning for you at the end. Quality 👌🏼

  • @hammerhome7879
    @hammerhome7879 5 лет назад +110

    12,000 rpm is almost double 7000... higher rpm = more volume/displacement in a set amount of time = more HP

    • @PeterXChhanX
      @PeterXChhanX 5 лет назад +12

      Thats how low displacement engines have to make up for power. It works faster to move the same amount of air as larger displacements.
      The tradeoff being lifespan but much lighter weight

    • @AllanDaigle
      @AllanDaigle 5 лет назад +4

      plus its also twin turbo vs just one... howd that get missed

    • @Peertje1982
      @Peertje1982 5 лет назад +10

      @@AllanDaigle 1, 2 or 4 turbo's don't chance de HP if boost is fixt.

    • @snowpuff1740
      @snowpuff1740 5 лет назад +6

      With 2 additional pistons this makes it easier to build more torque, even though it has the same displacement and shorter stroke than the four cylinder engine.

    • @robertjohnson4401
      @robertjohnson4401 5 лет назад +1

      And this is accomplished with a shorter stroke.

  • @pelovett
    @pelovett 5 лет назад +10

    Nice video. An extremely significant omission was the different induction systems and the number of valves. The race engine has cylinder heads and intake manifold that flow much more air than the street engine. Also, 24 valves instead of 16. Also the exhaust systems are very very different. It's about airflow.

  • @andy01993
    @andy01993 5 лет назад +6

    I think you're in the road to becoming very popular around the world! Well deserved man your videos and research are perfectly done. You have unique content.

  • @aluckyshot
    @aluckyshot 4 года назад +4

    People can hate little Honda engines all they want but they are fairly impressive. I had a little B18C in a hatch back, that thing was fairly peppy and took a beating. There is definitely quicker but it was a normally aspirated that would chirp into third, squeal into second, and just tear up first the entire time. Crazy little car.

    • @A92CB7
      @A92CB7 4 года назад

      Not hating but it's "naturally aspirated," not normally, I love Honda's

    • @fuckbeingbroke2
      @fuckbeingbroke2 4 года назад +1

      Spinning isn't winning got to get performance clutch proper shifting any DOHC swap in EG/EF is beyond quick weight to power ratio e.g. physics don't need no v8, Honda For Life

  • @AndrewUnruh
    @AndrewUnruh 5 лет назад +1

    One thing that was touched on early in the video but not after normalizing for displacement was the effect of the shorter stroke of the Indy engine. Clearly, if two engines have the same displacement but one has a shorter stroke, then the one with the shorter stroke is going to have a greater cross-sectional area. The greater cross sectional area allows for larger valves which in turn allow for greater airflow. Now, greater airflow allows one to combust more fuel which leads to more heat generated which leads to more power - but not at all engine RPMs. If you rev the engine very slowly, there is no pressure gradient to drive more air into the combustion chamber. At very high RPMs, however, on the intake stroke there will be a larger differential between the air on the intake side and after the intake valves. Bigger valves mean less pressure differential which means more air in the cylinder which means more fuel burned etc. etc. In short, the larger valve area of the Indy car allows for higher RPMs without starving the engine for air which allows for more HP.

  • @JohnSmith-du4fi
    @JohnSmith-du4fi 5 лет назад +7

    8:00 that uncontrollable smile sums up the difference between the two engines

  • @surfside75
    @surfside75 5 лет назад +128

    Drop that motor directly into the classic NSX.. -SERIOUSLY😁

    • @willdelaney7128
      @willdelaney7128 5 лет назад +9

      @@jzxtrd337 I cant tell if you're a troll or not but indy engines go about 3000 miles before getting a new one. They gave races longer than 250 miles lmao

    • @cellphonelightsaber
      @cellphonelightsaber 5 лет назад +9

      I'M NOT HERE FOR A LONG TIME; I'M HERE FOR A GOOD TIME

    • @jdrok5026
      @jdrok5026 5 лет назад +4

      @@jzxtrd337 2500 miles of full on being pinned. A f1 engine will drop revs which helps with longevity it also helps more f1 races cover less miles.

    • @jdrok5026
      @jdrok5026 5 лет назад

      @@jzxtrd337 remember indy can be 500 miles of pinned for a indy with only breaks while pitting

    • @1320crusier
      @1320crusier 5 лет назад +3

      @@jdrok5026 constant rpm is easier on engines. You can do some interesting things reliability and power wise with steady state rpm

  • @markbaum9615
    @markbaum9615 5 лет назад +34

    Jason...thanks for the great article in road and track last month..I finally like an automatic transmission.....slightly

  • @Jackasstoy
    @Jackasstoy 5 лет назад +12

    V6 vs I4
    2T vs 1T
    12000 vs 6500
    Larger Valves
    Gasoline
    Price $$$

  • @BP-fx3qc
    @BP-fx3qc 5 лет назад +10

    My dream honda motor was the RA V10 from the McLaren MP4-5.

  • @josemalinao1308
    @josemalinao1308 5 лет назад +146

    In the meantime Boosted boyz just casually driving with a 700hp civic.

  • @timduncan8450
    @timduncan8450 5 лет назад +4

    It is amazing that the Honda street 4-banger is so close to the race engine, which I think we can assume, pushes all the limits. Piston speed, boost (ok artificially limited here), apparently BMEP & PCP, and adjusted volumetric power density. They really did it all with rpm and a little higher efficiency. Honda Street engine is amazing to so close to several limits and have so much durability.

    • @Shane-zx4ps
      @Shane-zx4ps 5 лет назад

      Tim Duncan I concur Tim Duncan, and what’s really amazing is Honda making them affordable to the ordinary buying public

    • @timduncan8450
      @timduncan8450 5 лет назад

      Bapster Man, Excellent point, maybe the best. I hear Ferrari makes great engines but it just doesn’t matter, I’ll never afford one. I’ve already owned several Honda.

  • @joshhayes3433
    @joshhayes3433 5 лет назад +47

    So Jason sells his S2000 to get an F1 car. I support this decision.

  • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
    @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 5 лет назад +12

    2500 mile lifespan for that motor, wowsers! Talk about a quickie...

    • @jdrok5026
      @jdrok5026 5 лет назад

      Indy is fairly brutal on engines

    • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
      @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 5 лет назад

      I bet!

    • @ruthun
      @ruthun 4 года назад

      Like Ford's normal engines then?

  • @Jt7166
    @Jt7166 5 лет назад +3

    Freaking brilliant man. Thank you. I'm kinda suprised Honda even gave you this much info.

  • @TARider2
    @TARider2 5 лет назад +9

    I'd love to see a video like this about some of the old F1 engines that revved to like 15/16 thousand rpm

    • @OdamaKamayuka
      @OdamaKamayuka 5 лет назад +1

      V10 went up to 20 000rpm, what a glorious sound that was.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo 5 лет назад +1

      Check out the BBC Equinox documentary about the Ford-Cosworth turbo V6 F1 engine -- it's very interesting! :) The rules limited it to 4 bar = 60 psi in 1987, but some may have run even more before that.

  • @maxcactus7
    @maxcactus7 5 лет назад +15

    Good grief, imagine Honda reintroducing a new S2000 with a slightly toned-down version of that V-6 engine! Gimme!

  • @march4025
    @march4025 5 лет назад +5

    Engineering Explained living his best life 💯

  • @TheKingkingg
    @TheKingkingg 5 лет назад +6

    That would be awesome for either new NSX type R or a New super car!!!

  • @hogibunz834
    @hogibunz834 2 года назад +1

    I'm pretty sure that I'd sell my soul for a v8 from Honda. Imagine 2 k24 engines slapped together. It would be simply incredible

  • @clayduval1255
    @clayduval1255 5 лет назад +172

    So basically, if you throw race fuel at a Civic Type R engine, it's a mini Indycar 😉

    • @atvkid0805
      @atvkid0805 5 лет назад +29

      no, the tolerances are soo tight on an indy engine the block needs to be heated up to allow for expansion before startup. Not practical in a daily driver.

    • @brkbtjunkie
      @brkbtjunkie 5 лет назад +16

      Rods, connectors, valves, etc etc etc. All it has to be beefed up to handle the increased rpms and power.

    • @clayduval1255
      @clayduval1255 5 лет назад +14

      @@brkbtjunkie Its a joke... I'm not saying to modify the CTR engine to be like an Indycar engine but rather the hp/l is very similar once you factor in the boost, displacement and fuel difference

    • @clayduval1255
      @clayduval1255 5 лет назад +3

      @@atvkid0805 I'm guessing you meant to reply in a different thread?

    • @juzoli
      @juzoli 5 лет назад +6

      Clay DuVal Everything is similar if you factor in all the differences...

  • @markmatic5718
    @markmatic5718 5 лет назад +38

    Can you make a video about their new lawnmower that goes 230+ km/h

  • @Coralbit
    @Coralbit 5 лет назад +10

    @Engineering Explained F1 Honda engine 1.6L V6 single turbo +700 HP get info on that engine :D that would be awesome since I think it is one of the most powerful engines per displacement :)

    • @jakegarrett8109
      @jakegarrett8109 5 лет назад

      Wankel rotaries are the amount the highest reliable in a racing scenario for combustion engines (1000 HP per liter). Reliable as in comparatively since those are still using OEM engine housing and probably last more than 2500 miles when only doing 350HP per liter (since no boost on gasoline they are rated 238 for a 1.3L at the factory, although it’s really more like 180-190 because marketing...)
      Power amount is for drag car with duel turbos and methanol, the Puerto Rican’s know how to make those Doritos engines run!

  • @KDD8
    @KDD8 5 лет назад

    I wish Jason is my teacher. He explains things so thoroughly and goes into depth, something I find most teachers lack today. He's also very entertaining to watch, and by that I mean its not just some boring 3 hour lecture. It's short, concise, and right to the point.

  • @patrickbradford6587
    @patrickbradford6587 5 лет назад +2

    Important correction, the cylinder head flow rate has a HUGE influence on power output. E85 is approximately 105 octane, however doesn't account for the majority of the horse power difference. I would speculate that the cylinder heads on the Indycar engine flow FAR more than the stock type R engine, which contributes to the significant difference in hp, while having similar displacement and boost levels.

  • @DucatiDiaries
    @DucatiDiaries 5 лет назад +17

    Awesome. And looking forward to you hopefully doing a vid on the 2020 GT500's 760 HP!!! :)

    • @mitchellsteindler
      @mitchellsteindler 5 лет назад +1

      @Micheal Stillabower yes, today

    • @DucatiDiaries
      @DucatiDiaries 5 лет назад

      @Micheal Stillabower Yes I'm about to release a vid on it if you want to check it out. Hit the sub and bell. Probably about an hour.

  • @Jlemus01
    @Jlemus01 5 лет назад +27

    That v6 is beautiful, no engine covers just like the old days.
    Honda NSX would've sold like cookies with that v6 in it.

    • @Jlemus01
      @Jlemus01 5 лет назад +1

      @butchtropic you have a point but I'm referring my self to the 2016 to present day NSX, it will destroy everything on the road pretty much, 2.2l V6 with over 700 buff hrss man they need to get on that ASAP lol.

    • @Shane-zx4ps
      @Shane-zx4ps 5 лет назад +4

      J Lemus the reason the NSX didn’t sell like hot cookies is because people turned there noses up at a Honda sports car in 1990, thinking it can’t be as good as a Ferrari or a Porsche, how wrong they were, not only was it as good it was better an actual reliable super car, apparently Ferrari had to go back to the drawing board to up there game,

    • @1nvd
      @1nvd 5 лет назад

      J Lemus you have to drive one...the current set up is like McLaren levels for such a lower price

    • @Fortheloveofjdm
      @Fortheloveofjdm 4 года назад

      I wonder how much weight difference imthere is between the new and old nsx. Brb. 868lbs difference older one being lighter.

  • @tonitoni8053
    @tonitoni8053 5 лет назад +30

    You explain it well, do i understand? no. i see 700 horses i click

  • @craigmonteforte1478
    @craigmonteforte1478 Год назад

    Well deserved ride Conner ! i also give Kudos to Honda for being a Stand Up Company i’m small Potatoes to them but i’ve been a faithfull owner and Advocate of many of their products over the years including my fathers 1960s S90 Motorcycle he bought in 1965 a few other Motor Bikes ,Cars , and many small engines including a generator /Inverter

  • @KoiBoiRoi
    @KoiBoiRoi 5 лет назад +1

    Awesome mathematical breakdown. As an electrical engineer, I'm not too familiar with the math behind calculating the performance of car engines, but this was very clear!
    Also, that ride sure looked fun! I'm envious!

  • @LuqmanHM
    @LuqmanHM 5 лет назад +8

    In short
    - less stroke = higher rpm
    - slightly higher boost = more hp
    - use e85 fuel = 100+ octane thus more power than 91 octane fuel

    • @BiologistRyan
      @BiologistRyan 5 лет назад

      I mean does the fact its got two extra cylinders not matter at all, not sure why that isnt really talked about.

    • @adamlreid
      @adamlreid 5 лет назад +3

      Jurassic Tech That’s why he corrected for the displacement. The actual number of cylinders doesn’t matter, it’s just that more cylinders generally allow for a larger displacement of air and fuel in the entire engine over a given time

    • @BiologistRyan
      @BiologistRyan 5 лет назад +1

      @@adamlreid ok, I thought i was missing something lol.

  • @Creeperboy099
    @Creeperboy099 5 лет назад +143

    Whoa this needs to be an engine option for the Accord (;
    Edit: of course you’d need to tweak a few things so it’ll at least last like a Honda XD
    Edit 2: 104 likes? Am I having Deja Vu?

  • @NFiltr8Red
    @NFiltr8Red 5 лет назад +7

    Put that into Honda’s next sports car and they can come take my money.

  • @TheMinuteFamily
    @TheMinuteFamily 5 лет назад +2

    That looks like an amazing experience. Honda makes great engines.

  • @anorwayer97
    @anorwayer97 5 лет назад

    I knew about your channel before the Belle Isle Grand Prix, but it's fair to say that NBC gave you a proper good shout out which lead to me finding this video again. Once again, a very in depth and knowledgeable video

  • @thebeardyyc
    @thebeardyyc 5 лет назад +5

    Loved the clip of you at the end! 😂💜

  • @sloth4urluv
    @sloth4urluv 5 лет назад +9

    Another piece of the puzzle is that a Type R won’t make that much boost at peak power.
    Say it’s 21lbs at peak power and there is around 95% right there.

    • @PaulMansfield
      @PaulMansfield 5 лет назад

      maybe there's just not enough flow past the valves?

  • @mirokefurt4740
    @mirokefurt4740 5 лет назад +6

    Would be interesting to know what fails after 2,500 miles, or I would guess about 20 hours of race use, or at minimum what the HONDA race mechanics replace in a rebuild, as obviously they do not throw the entire engine away after every race. So what are the weak points ??? Also thanks for the boost pressure correction, I almost thought HONDA defies the laws of thermodynamics using E85.

  • @valleydotphysicals7286
    @valleydotphysicals7286 5 лет назад +2

    A couple of things you did not address. The Indy car engine has a much better thermal efficiency, close to 50%. How that is achieved of course is top secret. The flow of the heads and the type of valve train will be a huge factor in the increased horsepower.

  • @johnt2k7
    @johnt2k7 5 лет назад

    I think a huge thing a lot of people in the car community or new to it overlook is that Boost is a measurement of restriction to flow. If you can reduce the restriction/increase air flow through the engine by improving the air delivery system, better intake plenum design, head porting , as well as better exhaust management with better flowing manifolds and exhaust. you will make the same or more power at a lower boost level. You are physically flowing more air through the engine even at the lower boost level and it will make more power.
    I dont know how many times the first question out of someones mouth about a build has been how much boost is it running. When it has no bearing on the power level of a engine. You could have a near stock engine setup with a tune pushing 22-26 PSI and then the same engine platform with a larger turbo & proper supporting intake and exhaust modifications making 150+HP more at 20 PSI

  • @IkethRacing
    @IkethRacing 5 лет назад +4

    Also a power difference factor is emissions. The 2.0L is rated with catalytic convertors. E85 alone would explain the power gap you ended up with in this video, so you have proved 700hp is definitely conservative. Probably as high as 800hp.

    • @HK_Productions47
      @HK_Productions47 5 лет назад

      Most people in the know think its like 750 on road courses and short ovals but come 2021 Indycar engines are gonna have 900 horsepower!

  • @TheLiamis
    @TheLiamis 5 лет назад +11

    Just need your s2k back now. I'm sure you can make the engine fit.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +4

      Haha I still have it, hoping to get it listed this week!

    • @TheLiamis
      @TheLiamis 5 лет назад

      @@EngineeringExplained so honda is going to be missing off its v6 engines? 😂

    • @MADLITS1K
      @MADLITS1K 5 лет назад +1

      Engineering Explained I have $5 and a pack of gum

    • @LuqmanHM
      @LuqmanHM 5 лет назад

      @@EngineeringExplained what would you replace the s2000 with?

    • @kevinnorris6558
      @kevinnorris6558 5 лет назад +1

      JVST DAI I have $7 and two packs of gum. Looks like the S2000 is mine.

  • @TheOz91
    @TheOz91 5 лет назад +8

    Just to say that this is specifically a race engine--it does one thing: racing. You don't want this engine in a regular car :)

    • @twinkiissb
      @twinkiissb 5 лет назад

      Any Honda fan would be no good with that bad boy.

    • @anthonymolina7416
      @anthonymolina7416 5 лет назад +1

      They would probably tune it if they ever sell it in consumer vehicles

    • @takafumiarisawa70
      @takafumiarisawa70 5 лет назад

      Dunno, Rotary engines are (technically speaking) more of a race engine than something you should use frequently but the fun is there.

  • @fuckbeingbroke2
    @fuckbeingbroke2 4 года назад +1

    You are the Man People have no idea Honda Power For Life !!

  • @mikegirard4388
    @mikegirard4388 5 лет назад

    My stock Civic 1.5T is rated for 20psi. I figured out that was absolute when I connected a scan tool and realized it rarely went above atmospheric gauge pressure. I believe most all turbochargers are rated absolute pressure of boost. You have to, otherwise the actual output would vary depending on manifold vacuum and altitude. This is also important as the wastegate is controlled based on manifold vacuum as it’s the total compression ratio of the intake that matters, not absolute pressure to atmosphere.

  • @GT_FREAK
    @GT_FREAK 5 лет назад +39

    Me:Can I buy that for my build....
    Honda: sure after 5 payments of 99999
    Me:........

  • @matthewcrane7958
    @matthewcrane7958 5 лет назад +5

    I should have known youd be in detroit. Im a machinist in metro detroit i dig your channel and info

  • @Hawok13
    @Hawok13 5 лет назад +12

    everybody: YO! Mercedes just made a 2 liter engine that puts out 450hp!!
    Honda: Hold my beer...

    • @dyrsten
      @dyrsten 5 лет назад

      Mercedes 1.6L F1 engine produces around 1000hp in quali mode, ICU only.

    • @Calyx
      @Calyx 5 лет назад

      Mercedes made a 1.6L engine with 748hp.
      I'm obviously talking about the ICE alone. In the road legal Project One.
      The hybrid systems are estimated to push the total to a maximum of 1230 hp
      Has to pass the homologation process first though.

    • @Hawok13
      @Hawok13 5 лет назад

      @@dyrsten yes but that engine is supposed to survive a race or two, meanwhile the 2.0 450hp is the engine of an A-klass
      I don't know, however, how reliable is the honda engine, the comment was supposed to be a joke anyways

    • @Shane-zx4ps
      @Shane-zx4ps 5 лет назад +1

      Imagine Wagons yeah that’s 250 bhp less from an engine only 200cc less, hey Mercedes hold these beers

  • @gordythecreator
    @gordythecreator 5 лет назад +1

    Well done Mr Engineer! I bet that engine sounds beautiful

  • @DIOSpeedDemon
    @DIOSpeedDemon 5 лет назад +1

    I need that Honda V-6 in my Honda 50 moped, and I NEED IT NOW....!!!!

  • @Pacifista629
    @Pacifista629 5 лет назад +21

    How does Honda make 700hp from a 2.2L?
    Jason: does some math
    Me an intellectual: it has 2 more cylinders

    • @BeHappyTo
      @BeHappyTo 5 лет назад +1

      it would need to have 4 more for it to make sense

    • @BeHappyTo
      @BeHappyTo 5 лет назад

      @Peder Hansen how does that have to do with anything?

    • @BeHappyTo
      @BeHappyTo 5 лет назад

      @Peder Hansen It is but you can't skip context.

    • @BeHappyTo
      @BeHappyTo 5 лет назад +1

      @Peder Hansen My point was if the engine had 700hp (about twice as much as the one that it was compared to in the video) then it would need not 50% more but 100% more cylinders, thus 4 extra.

    • @Strunz0
      @Strunz0 5 лет назад +1

      It could have 100 extra cylinders, and with all other variables (displacement, boost, rpm) being equal, it would still move the same amount of air as the 4 cylinder. It's mostly a factor of RPM in this comparison, made possible by the proportion of bore to stroke and maybe some valve sizing, timing and lift, not number of cylinders.

  • @hangman13
    @hangman13 5 лет назад +11

    @8:00: that's what happens when you skip neck day.
    10/10 would break neck for that experience.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +2

      Haha, it's also what happens when you can't predict high g-forces since you're not driving. You can try this at home. Just swerve like crazy haha.

  • @stuskivens4295
    @stuskivens4295 5 лет назад +7

    So how does that all work through for a 1600cc F1 engine, or for that matter, a 1200HP 1500cc 1986 BMW F1 turbo

    • @HellaNorCal916
      @HellaNorCal916 5 лет назад +1

      That would be a cool side by side video! Some of my favorite engine's came out of the 80's F1 turbo cars.

    • @lulube11e111
      @lulube11e111 5 лет назад +3

      Well bmw had 4-5bar on boost

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo 5 лет назад +1

      As Roko says 5 bar (72 PSI) does the trick! Effectively making the 1.5L engine into a 7.5L engine?

    • @justanothertroll9205
      @justanothertroll9205 5 лет назад

      Bmw is a complete joke compared with Honda in F1. 19 wins for germans vs 74 for Honda

  • @TheSingleTrucker
    @TheSingleTrucker 5 лет назад

    turbo boosting and valves and 12k rpm's explained! my 2nd Gen 3.5L EB is drooling right now!

  • @Poorschedriver
    @Poorschedriver 5 лет назад +2

    When you first showed the engine internals I thought it was the indy engine, and I counted 4 cylinders in a row, and got very excited that Honda had made another V8 engine, and then realized it was the type R motor. I really wish Honda weren't so afraid of 8 cylinders.

  • @Fa_Tsai
    @Fa_Tsai 5 лет назад +5

    Turbo sizes are completely different ... different CFM flows. ... 30 psi on a Gt35R and a 30psi on a GT52R are very different

    • @corpsie666
      @corpsie666 5 лет назад

      30 psi on the two engines is different independent of which turbo is used to build up that 30 psi.

  • @QuadDoc
    @QuadDoc 5 лет назад +5

    Jason, another awesome explanation!! Thank you for sharing!!
    So basically it just breaks down to 1. higher RPM and 2. higher octane fuel?

    • @HK_Productions47
      @HK_Productions47 5 лет назад +1

      Plus better materials and better craftsmanship probably.

    • @jakegarrett8109
      @jakegarrett8109 5 лет назад +1

      You missed he entire bore stroke... that’s the whole difference. The fuel is fairly minimal, putting e-85 into the street car wouldn’t give you much. You could also run the street car 12k rpm, but the torque at that rpm would fall off a cliff on the Dino run, resulting in probably like 50 HP because the piston speed would be approaching flame propagation speed (which means the force on the piston would be near 0, which means almost no work is done).

    • @KennyMarkusa
      @KennyMarkusa 5 лет назад +1

      It's more than that there is also cam lift timing . duration and cylinder head design that is where the real power is made air in air out more air+ more fuel = bigger boomb

    • @QuadDoc
      @QuadDoc 5 лет назад

      You guys are correct, air in-out, bore, stoke, materials etc... which breaks down to and results in layman’s terms: higher RPM and higher octane (trying to break it down for someone who doesn’t care as much as we do, lol).

  • @theprophetisnear5976
    @theprophetisnear5976 5 лет назад +25

    Honda is like episodes of dragon Ball z don't no what you expect ing next 😁😁😁

  • @davidfisher917
    @davidfisher917 5 лет назад +1

    I've been a fan for a few years. You do an awesome job explaining everything!

  • @indyalts020
    @indyalts020 5 лет назад +1

    Congrats on the Indy ride and thanks for this great video.

  • @revejmal
    @revejmal 5 лет назад +18

    Short answer:
    Throw some e85 in it...

    • @victornpb
      @victornpb 5 лет назад

      In Brazil we actually use e85 on normal cars, cars makers usually advertise power in each fuel and using ethanol it is usually 3% to 5% more than gasoline.

    • @AlistairMaxwell77
      @AlistairMaxwell77 5 лет назад

      @@victornpb we have e85 in australia as well for normal pump fuel

    • @DirtyWopBastard
      @DirtyWopBastard 4 года назад +1

      @@victornpb sorry no. ethanol has less energy than gasoline, it just has a higher octane rating

  • @axipixel5811
    @axipixel5811 5 лет назад +8

    Here's one thing he didn't talk about and a little nitpick: Despite him saying the turbos are the same, that is not really true.
    While they both are maintaining ~20 PSI of boost, this means different things at different RPMs
    At 12,000 RPM, like he said, there are much more cycles per minute occurring then the Type R engine can achieve.
    This means vastly more fuel and more air is flowing through the engine. Because of this, the indycar engine turbo is pushing a vastly greater amount of airflow to maintain a pressure of 20 PSI at the intake than the Type R's engine needs to push to maintain 20 PSI at its intake. This is shown in the turbochargers themselves. The CFM of air the indycar turbo can move and compress is extensively greater than that of the Type R turbo.
    So, while it is correct that both turbos are gated at 20 PSI, to say that the boost is the same is somewhat incorrect. Jason is talking about volts when amps tell the real story of what's happening in these two engines' boost.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +3

      I'm not sure you're nitpicking, or that I missed anything. Obviously if you have a higher RPM (more power strokes per minute, as discussed) you have to fill the cylinders up more times, so you'll be pushing more air. Boost is a way to measure how much air the cylinder is getting. The more RPM it has, the more often it does it, thus more power.

    • @axipixel5811
      @axipixel5811 5 лет назад

      ​@@EngineeringExplained Yeah, makes sense. I can see why it's not a nitpick nor anything wrong, but I just felt like it was overlooked and needed mention at least in passing. Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.

    • @TheAdatto
      @TheAdatto 5 лет назад

      Still same 'boost' but indeed it should be told. More to be learned for people that don't know this

    • @boduke9428
      @boduke9428 4 года назад

      More a difference in pressure and volume isn't it? Kinda how a larger turbo will flow more air at the same pressure than a smaller one. 20psi on a 66mm turbo is less air volume than 20psi on a 77mm turbo. Pressure the same but more air and more power with the larger turbo, assuming no restrictions and enough fuel.

  • @AzeezOverseas
    @AzeezOverseas 5 лет назад +7

    This engine is pushed to it's limit, and only last for one race before it's damaged. Just like any homemade V8 with 1500hp. Push it harder, blow it faster.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  5 лет назад +4

      The engines last 4-5 races, including all practice, qualifying, and the race itself.

  • @bdb3350
    @bdb3350 5 лет назад +1

    Honda has always been the dominant engine when it comes to sport import racing

  • @Marc_Page
    @Marc_Page 4 месяца назад

    Man, that looked like fun!
    Can't wait to see your take on the IndyCar hybrid 2.2 twin turbocharged w/ super capacitors.

  • @VigneshBalasubramaniam
    @VigneshBalasubramaniam 5 лет назад +23

    Next stop: Honda F1 engines!

  • @rexsong4835
    @rexsong4835 5 лет назад +4

    tbh Honda is also making engines that are 1.6L and make over 950 hp in F1. 2.2L engine that makes over 700 seems not so impressive comparing to that.

    • @jdrok5026
      @jdrok5026 5 лет назад

      @@jzxtrd337 1 engine per race? They last a lot longer than 1 race

  • @unclegonzo2079
    @unclegonzo2079 5 лет назад +7

    Nobody:
    Boosted boyz:hold my beer

  • @mnetwork
    @mnetwork 5 лет назад +1

    Also can't compare boost for boost. A larger more efficient turbo will push more CFMs at the same boost level. 23psi 23psi on two different turbos.

    • @mnetwork
      @mnetwork 5 лет назад +1

      @@EngineeringExplained Are you saying that two different turbos on the same motor running at 23psi manifold pressure (holding to redline) will have the same air density and make the same power?

  • @ZeroBoostBuick
    @ZeroBoostBuick 5 лет назад

    This video is super easy to understand. Good job !

  • @goldentrucker7921
    @goldentrucker7921 5 лет назад +4

    I really wish the type R was offered with all wheel drive.

  • @caspforge
    @caspforge 5 лет назад +9

    It's all about that stroke if you know what I mean lol

    • @alf_1779
      @alf_1779 5 лет назад +2

      In this case, shorter stroke is better :P

  • @ze_german2921
    @ze_german2921 5 лет назад +6

    In the 80's BMW made 1500HP with a 1.5Liter 4 cylinder. thats twice the amount of power 30-40 years ago.

    • @WeirdBrick
      @WeirdBrick 4 года назад +4

      You do know they ran for a lap with that power in qualifying only... usually they blew up aswell! Learn something in the subject you’re talking about please!

  • @Intrepid175a
    @Intrepid175a 5 лет назад +1

    No one makes more impressive engines than Honda!

  • @alanklosinski4507
    @alanklosinski4507 5 лет назад

    Congrats on the ride and thanks for the info! Glad you added the clip at the end, it is a fun one to rewatch!

  • @IntervalePC
    @IntervalePC 5 лет назад +9

    Wonder how the Honda 2.2L Twin-Turbo V6 would fit in my S2000 🤔 What's the MPG's 🤪😜😉

    • @daduncker20D
      @daduncker20D 5 лет назад +2

      Not enough; that's the miles per gallon lol

    • @lowiet8979
      @lowiet8979 5 лет назад +2

      MPG? More like GPM...

    • @HK_Productions47
      @HK_Productions47 5 лет назад

      MPG for indycar is something like 4.2 mpg last i heard which is way better than it was in the 1990's

  • @gz9975
    @gz9975 5 лет назад +17

    To be fair, Asians have a lot of experience with the "short stroke".

  • @bryane2857
    @bryane2857 5 лет назад +4

    I'll check your math.
    It's right.

  • @aol11
    @aol11 5 лет назад +1

    The offenHauser 4 cylinder Indy car engines had to be pre-lubed/heated to operating temperature through the oil for about 2 hours before it could be started. It had to do with the tolerances being so tight the metal had to expand or the engine would ruin if started cold. Does the same rule apply to these Honda engines?.

  • @lifeisgood070
    @lifeisgood070 5 лет назад +1

    honda is genuiely a cool manufacturer of engines. I've loved every one of their products I've owned much like Milwaukee. It always felt like there was time in the design. I wonder what it's like to work for them.