So let's say that we go .25 pre, and he calls = .57. Then on the flop we bet say .40 and he calls = 1.37. Then on the turn we bet say 1.00 and he calls = 3.37. Would we then push our remaining 3.35 into the pot at the river? That is, are we looking to arrange our bets such that we have approximately a pot-sized all-in bet amount in these cases?
Could you sometimes commentate from the opponent's perspective? Unlike this video, most of the time it's the villan who wins the hand, so it would be nice to know what the villan does correct as to beat hero in a pot. Just asking. Thanks in advance. :D
I'm wondering if villain somewhere made a mistake in this hand? calling the 'smaller' reraise from UTG after limping doesn't look like a big mistake but I'd like to see the math concerning the call on the flop. Folding is out of the question flopping top pair and the nut flushdraw but would a check-raise be more profitable from villains perspective? without much data could be hard to point that out, but still an interesting hand. And thanks for the videos! Great channel
issue with betting stronger is that you need to balance it by doing the same with some draws or even some total air bluff. Betting strong with nuts and half the pot with draws is very very weak and you will get crushed againt every decent opponent. That's why I think this hand is played OK
+ED "againt(sp) every decent opponent" This is the problem with your logic. You're assuming a 29/8 at NL5 is a decent opponent. To assume that balance even matters against an opponent like this is a pretty big assumption to take (actually, assuming this player knows how to SPELL balance is a pretty big assumption to take). Not to mince words but even the average "reg" at these stakes is godawful and you really shouldn't worry about balance here (to be honest I find a lot of players overrate the value of balancing... you should be playing exploitative poker in the vast majority of situations against the vast majority of players).
If we bet 20 pre, pot flop and pot turn ( which our oponent should call with his hand) do you think we can jam river and obtain a call with only top pair low kicker from villain or should we use a smaller sizing to make sure he calls most of the time? What s the most ev+ sizing river if we have a pot sized bet river?
I think the reason most people don't bet larger with their value hands is because they don't want to have to risk betting the same amount with their bluff hands in those same spots. And obviously, betting smaller with bluffs and larger with value bets is a very stupid strategy because any half-decent player will catch on to what you're doing in no time and suddenly you'll be very exploitable.
Against "good" opponents I'm in favor of the big bet strategy. These players have a fold button, they know how to use it, and you need to bluff big to have more fold equity. However, since you're doing this you also need to value bet big to balance. As long as you're keeping an optimal bluff/value ratio you'll perform well with this strategy. But against highly exploitable players I have no problem with highly varied bet sizes.
Is there any ethical consideration to not using people's real usernames in these videos? I know it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I feel like back when I was a n00b and fish I probably wouldn't want my shitty play broadcast to the entire Internet. Maybe instead going for "P-fish" or "LAG" or whatever, or "MP1/CO/BN" type of labels. I think those would be more useful than someone's screen name which means nothing to me in analyzing this hand. Other than that, great video as usual.
Daniel Worthen People are naturally cautious. Also, they’re thinking about the immediate - they’re thinking about this pot right here rather than the longer term picture, that if I bet bigger here time and time again, sure, sometimes they might fold and I win less, but I when I win I win so much bigger.
Great analysis, BUT does this hand really deserve being reviewed? I mean, pretty obvious we need to bet larger on all streets vs. a passive fish. I'd rather you reviewed some more complicated situation.
So let's say that we go .25 pre, and he calls = .57. Then on the flop we bet say .40 and he calls = 1.37. Then on the turn we bet say 1.00 and he calls = 3.37. Would we then push our remaining 3.35 into the pot at the river? That is, are we looking to arrange our bets such that we have approximately a pot-sized all-in bet amount in these cases?
tomohawk52 Exactly!
If the pot was larger we could consider shipping the river and most likely would get called in the current situation.
Could you sometimes commentate from the opponent's perspective? Unlike this video, most of the time it's the villan who wins the hand, so it would be nice to know what the villan does correct as to beat hero in a pot. Just asking. Thanks in advance. :D
Good idea. thanks for pitching it!
I don't know if you would still read this comment so late.. But when should the villain have optimally figured out it was time to leave?
I'm wondering if villain somewhere made a mistake in this hand? calling the 'smaller' reraise from UTG after limping doesn't look like a big mistake but I'd like to see the math concerning the call on the flop. Folding is out of the question flopping top pair and the nut flushdraw but would a check-raise be more profitable from villains perspective?
without much data could be hard to point that out, but still an interesting hand.
And thanks for the videos! Great channel
Villain lost the minimum here honestly, other than opening and then maybe folding to a 3 bet.
I think you should try not to limp with weak aces. With a bigger pot post-flop, you can get away from it before the river
issue with betting stronger is that you need to balance it by doing the same with some draws or even some total air bluff.
Betting strong with nuts and half the pot with draws is very very weak and you will get crushed againt every decent opponent.
That's why I think this hand is played OK
+Klara906090 working on understanding balance is more beneficial than continuing to do the ABC thing just because it's "normal" :)
+The Poker Bank
what is incorrect in my comment ?
+ED "againt(sp) every decent opponent"
This is the problem with your logic. You're assuming a 29/8 at NL5 is a decent opponent. To assume that balance even matters against an opponent like this is a pretty big assumption to take (actually, assuming this player knows how to SPELL balance is a pretty big assumption to take).
Not to mince words but even the average "reg" at these stakes is godawful and you really shouldn't worry about balance here (to be honest I find a lot of players overrate the value of balancing... you should be playing exploitative poker in the vast majority of situations against the vast majority of players).
+TheBoldImperator I am a low stakes player and I forget this a lot, generally to my detriment.
SplitSuit's most common advice, in two sentences: 1. Raise or fold in this spot, don't just call. 2. Bet bigger than that when you're ahead.
If we bet 20 pre, pot flop and pot turn ( which our oponent should call with his hand) do you think we can jam river and obtain a call with only top pair low kicker from villain or should we use a smaller sizing to make sure he calls most of the time? What s the most ev+ sizing river if we have a pot sized bet river?
How about checking the flop as we block 2A he doesn't have a lot of combo that pai us no ?
I noticed the thumbnail showing a .87 pot on the turn, I think I know how this one's gonna go.
Bet larger, generate more value, go from there.
EricSmyth14 great advice 90% of the time :)
I wasn't giving advice I was actually just quoting the video lol. I liked the way you said it :)
I think the reason most people don't bet larger with their value hands is because they don't want to have to risk betting the same amount with their bluff hands in those same spots. And obviously, betting smaller with bluffs and larger with value bets is a very stupid strategy because any half-decent player will catch on to what you're doing in no time and suddenly you'll be very exploitable.
Against "good" opponents I'm in favor of the big bet strategy. These players have a fold button, they know how to use it, and you need to bluff big to have more fold equity. However, since you're doing this you also need to value bet big to balance. As long as you're keeping an optimal bluff/value ratio you'll perform well with this strategy. But against highly exploitable players I have no problem with highly varied bet sizes.
Is there any ethical consideration to not using people's real usernames in these videos? I know it's not the biggest deal in the world, but I feel like back when I was a n00b and fish I probably wouldn't want my shitty play broadcast to the entire Internet. Maybe instead going for "P-fish" or "LAG" or whatever, or "MP1/CO/BN" type of labels. I think those would be more useful than someone's screen name which means nothing to me in analyzing this hand. Other than that, great video as usual.
love this videos
YWSBIWGYSB thank you!
Too bad that wasn't the 5 of diamonds, lol.
Villain may have even gone all in lol
i think it was played perfectly.
Why can't people understand bet sizing. Every video... you bet too small. And people continue to bet too small.
+Daniel Worthen bet sizing is an artform - it takes a lot of time to nail down a decent bet sizing strategy.
Daniel Worthen People are naturally cautious. Also, they’re thinking about the immediate - they’re thinking about this pot right here rather than the longer term picture, that if I bet bigger here time and time again, sure, sometimes they might fold and I win less, but I when I win I win so much bigger.
Are you an economist?
Great analysis, BUT does this hand really deserve being reviewed? I mean, pretty obvious we need to bet larger on all streets vs. a passive fish. I'd rather you reviewed some more complicated situation.
***** we review hands that are sent in. If you have some tricky hands, just send them in :)