The way I see it, Night City is the main character in the show. Season 1 is a complete arc, but I'd love to see more seasons - New crew, new circumstances, but with Night City being the recurring element. In the game, you can choose between a 'Street Kid', 'Nomad' and 'Corpo' origin story for your character - So it'd be great to see those other two paths explored in a season 2 and 3. A corpo story to show how the corporate life is just as nasty as street life, but prettier, and a nomad story for more of an outsider perspective on everything (and some crazy car action scenes).
Yeah, this is the perfect way to do multiple seasons, and still keep it very fresh. Night City is definitely a large enough canvas to have multiple stories arcs like this contained within it.
Yeh those two alternate stories could be really cool, I've never played the game so I had no clue about those different storylines, but I would be really exited to see those explored!
Bro finally someone else gets it. But its one step further Night City isnt just a main character it is the main antagonist of the whole of the Cyberpunk Universe TTRPG Game and now this brilliant show. Being the culmination of un-restrained capitalism and control. Everyone plays with the idea of leaving but everyone is always drawn back in by either the idea of there dreams being obtained or obligation, and ultimately leading to their deaths because you dont become a legend in night city by living but by how you die.
I remember getting the very first Cyberpunk game in the early 90s. The franchise that eventually evolved into this anime started off as a TTRRPG inspired by the first wave of cyberpunk fiction, and was set in the far-flung future year of 2013, lol. The world of Edgerunners feels organic and lived in mostly because of the huge community of authors, artists, fans, and players who immersed themselves in it for decades and contributed to it over the years.
This show was actually sad, I loved every second of it . I wish Lucy and David could’ve had their happy ending though, kinda ripped my heart to see her on the moon without him
Yeh agreed, the ending was heartbreaking but I am glad they just went for it instead of trying to make the ending artificially happy, it really felt like the only way this story could have concluded in retrospect
@@RoroReviewsStuff David was fucked either way… he was about to go Cyberpsycho. Did you see how he responded to Rebecca when he said he was going to the top of Arasaka? If he went on the moon in that condition he would’ve went insane and started killing everyone around him. Look at Maine who showed symptoms hitting Kiwi for no reason
@@RoroReviewsStuff Agree but I think it would have been better if they approached it from David's cyberware addiction. Like he states his goal was to make sure lucy could go to the moon at the end of the show but he could have done that without pushing himself to cyberpychosis so I feel like they really should have leaned into his cyberware addiction more. Maybe at least hint at it before Lucy learns about the cyber skeleton and tries to hide it from David because she really doesn't have a reason to do that at the point in the story when she does other than the fact that David thinks he's special. IMO it would have been better if David had already been showing signs of cyberware addiction and a borderline obsession with getting better and better cyberware cuz it really doesn't do that until after the scene where Lucy gets the information. The way the story is presented the whole thing could have been avoided if Lucy told David that Arasaka want's to use him as a lab rat and was honest about what she was doing when she was tracking down people who knew about that plan and had back up while she was doing it. But if they set up more justification for Lucy hiding it from David the story would make more sense.
Yeah that's probably my only issue with the show ngl, some of the problems in David and Lucy's relationship at the end seemed like they could have been solved a lot better than they were, but there was enough reason for them to act the way they did to not make me feel annoyed or irritated
Night City is like a Venus flytrap. It lures you in with a promise of fame, fortune, and glory, but in the end you can't escape and it smothers and eats you alive and even if you do get out it takes a part of you either mentally or literally.
I was shocked and so pleasantly (?) surprised at how satisfying the ending managed to be. A lot of the reason it hit so hard for me is bc we rarely get well-made modern tragedy. The ending is sad, for sure, but it's cathartic, not depressing. It's a safe sorrow the way that horror movies are a safe terror. Too often stories go for tragedy and end up in motiveless grimdark which can get exhausting. This felt rounded out and significant and worthwhile despite (and I'd even say, because of) how tragic it was, not truncated for shock value. Heartwrenching but also complete and meaningful. Pretty masterful imo. I'm gonna try and find a quote, I'll put it here if I do I once heard a lecture where someone said that the great appeal of tragedy is to see terrible things happen to people you're supposed to empathize with and see yourself in, and that the catharsis comes from seeing someone's life go horribly wrong and still have the author hold your hand and tell you 'this story mattered. even though it had a sad ending it still mattered. even if you don't succeed your attempts matter.' Grimdark tells you that the world sucks and nothing you do matters, well-written tragedy tells you that sometimes the world sucks but everything you do matters so so much, your story is still worth telling even if you never achieve that happy ending or if you lose it along the way. People have inherent value and their stories deserve to be told no matter if they turn out okay or not and in a reality that has no concept of 'fair' that shit just hits good man!!! feels good!!!!! it's COMFORTING (
Big yes, I think what you mentioned is actually way more reason for why this amine hits so well, not the usual "character development, plot, etc.". It was always clear where the story would end and maybe the viewer just wished for a proper "journey". The fact you don't see much of a romance between them would usually make the relationship less interesting to the viewer, but somehow here its the other way around. The whole enfolding of their storyline was heartwrenching, because we knew what we wanted to see and what they wanted to do, but Night City didn't let them.
Step 1. Watch Edgerunners and Dawid's music video (2 or 3 times, Dub/Sub, doesn't matter). Step 2. Buy CP2077 for -50% off Step 3. Go to Afterlife, order David Martinez Step 4. Have your girlfriend ask why you're crying about a video game.
Chrome, Eddies and Chom are all common sayings within the CyperPunk 2077 world. The anime assumes people have played the game, therefore uses the same language, which is super immersive :) Gonk, Prem and Delta also are sayings from the game. Good work on your video; your editing and presentation are on point I look forward to seeing your future videos :)
@@RoroReviewsStuff one more degree of relation, the slang for the game is taken from the slang from the original cyberpunk tabletop core rulebooks for the worlds lore.
MaxTac is a corp born from a branch of SWAT that was formed to deal with cyborgs back when chrome first started going around commercially. It’s almost exclusively made of near and former cyberpsychos, and was turned into MaxTac by one such former cyberpsycho.
If you play the game, you would be inside the very world Edgerunners anime, everything there every place, gun car, cyberware... everything, you can even receive a message from Falco and get some stuff from the anime like the David Jacket and Becca's shotgun.
I've actually been planning to play the game for a bit and this show really made me want to check it out, it seems like it'll hit hard after watching the show, but we'll see
My theory is Adam smasher and David is same, Adam smasher said he was "special as well" so if u look back at the series, every team deaths is show that their body blow apart like maine..rebeca..pilar..Dorio..kiwi but unlike David they just didn't show his head getting pop. I think he will become like Adam smasher cuz he even said that he was surprise that David handle that long, in season 2 in my own theory and expectation will happen is. Lucy will indeed comeback but before that I think she will be ready with a crew, and try to receive a data that which David is still alive or not, if did that David is alive he will be like adam smasher and Lucy will try to bring back David back as a normal and young David unlike becoming a "Adam smasher" just do what as he told. Both of them deserve better Lucy being with David in the moon and David Achieve the promise of his mother getting in the top of arasaka tower. They live in cyberpunk yr 2076 maybe somewhere in that few yrs in the future but I don't know how will affect the game but maybe they invented a "thing" that can like past the consciousness into a fully cyborg body but lets just hope they would make a season 2 where Lucy and David are together in the moon.. or at least made a prequal to this where "If" nothing goes wrong. Lucy and David
I like that it doesn't belittle you if you don't play the game yet if you did take the time you can see and understand more which amplifies the the show.
One of the better analysis videos out there, you went into detail on specific things the series does really well while avoiding spoilers. Id definitely love to see what youd talk about in a spoilery vid. Love this series so so so much.
They used so many cliches it surprised me. But since the story was written with characters flushed out and each had mini arcs with a show direction that MADE SENSE. This made it a great show and one that will be relavent for a long time. Its not surprising in this day of show anchored off of politcal agendas that a regular show with writing that focused on entertainment, while having cliched character roles, was amazing. Take note Holllywood/Disney/Amazon.
Only one issue about the description of the cyberpsychosis description. Higher quality parts themselves aren't supposed to be as impactful in the lore itself due to optimization. The oldest cyberware according to the TTRPG lorebooks had WAY MORE chances of inducing cyberpsychosis then the ones being sold in 2077 through legal outlets (read as, something ripperdocs might not actually have in stock for the commoners visiting them). The Sandevistan itself is a military grade cyberware, not meant for the public. Quality isn't much of a factor here since soldiers implanted with them would either have heavy regulation or be pumped full of drugs to keep their body and sanity in check (might intentionally or not have a parallel reference for the heavy drug use by US troops in the Vietnam War to cope with the PTSD inducing situations or for performance enhancement like keeping awake in night watch shifts, both heavily documented cases)
Ah alright thanks for the heads up, I'm not too familiar with Cyberpunk beyond just this anime so I was kinda just basing my explanation off of my observations in the show which weren't exactly all accurate. Thanks for the info though I appreciate the correction!
To be perfectly clear i have yet to rewatch the anime, but my first thought as soon as Ive seen David with the Sandevistan, using it as if it was just a toy, I knew he will end badly and as soon as he started to see himself as special, it confirmed my suspicion. Even though he had very high affinity, letting him use cyberware more, he was still just another kid from the streets, everyone knew that, even we as watchers did, but he was purely oblivious to that fact. One of the scenes that utterly broke me, was when Rebecca tried talking to him in the chase scene at the end, her voice broken when she realised David was almost all gone mistaking her for his Mother and her just going with it. But in the end as the song goes, he didnt lose his self control, didnt became the murderous machine he was supposed to.
@@Jehowy666 If A -> B, and B -> C, then A -> C via the commutative property. In other words, if the game is based off the RPG, and the anime is based off the game, then the anime is also based off the RPG
Good job on the last 2 videos you made Roro. It's nice to see your hard work finally paying off and seeing those tens of thousands of views. Keep it up man. You got this.
The wonderful thing about the show and the genre is that there's no real singular villain that needs to die for the world to be saved. Society has been molded into a money-making machine at the cost of everyone and everything - it's a consequence instead of malice. The elite 0.1% may reap the rewards, but they live with a target on their back. The rest of the world fights over the scraps, and the planet struggles to support... well, anything. The main villain of Cyberpunk 2077 is the city itself - it's a prison to all inside. And the only way Lucy is able to escape is by David buying her ticket out with his life, figuratively and literally. She managed to fulfill a dream in a city that crushes them - but by then it cost the one thing she didn't want to give, so The City took it.
Cyberpunk Edgerunners understands what cyberpunk is and not just 2077 like all of those that takes place in a cyberpunk setting its fantastical and cool but at the same time its bleak, Its rare for a character to come out completely unscathed emotionally and physically.
@@RoroReviewsStuff For a few people, it was her quirkiness and probably that scene where David delivers some parts to her brother. But for me though, what sold me is when she realized David was gone and went along with it. "Alright. Let's go then. To the top".
I can understand that, I did really enjoy her character, maybe not as much as some other people did, but she was definitely fun to watch and I enjoyed her dynamic with David
@@RoroReviewsStuff because she's an incredibly well-written character that defies expectations audiences would have from her design. putting her own feelings for david aside, becoming the best friend anyone could ever have, and then ending like THAT. brutal.
I was thinking when it came out that it will be also (Glitchy) like the game but they nailed it with the anime. I hope they can also fix the game because project cd red also made witcher which is a banger of a game.
Edge Runners is the best anime/game tie in so far. Every location in the anime is in the Cyberpunk 2077. The chrome, weapons, slang, feel, even it’s brutality is all there. That being said Edge Runners is it’s own story, its own characters. It can stand alone but is enhanced so much more when you play the game. When you can go to the same locations and see the same vistas. The game and the anime just complement each other so well that both get enhanced by it.
Hello mr.Roro I went find this music playing in the 2:40 mark i can not find it on description or the playlist down below please link if wanted and also video was great
I think that song is by Ichika Nito and is called “I miss you”. It was formerly part of Ludwig’s playlist but got taken off recently I think. Glad you enjoyed!
To me Vinland Saga win #1 anime of all time. Edge runners is easy top 5. I think season 1 of Vinland Saga was exactly as bittersweet ( or even more ) that it changed my whole outlook on life. but Edgerunners showed unique perspective that i can't ignore to think of. season 2 of Vinland saga showed what happens after Edgerunners character ( spoiler ) is gonna live thru.. that part and more growth & development. knocked it out of the park.
No it isnt. Its great, definetly on par with Bebop (including the cheap 'out of left field' ending, lol) and one of the "better" (read BEST) gore psycho-thriller anime's as of late. But it has its flaws. 1) Its held together by the usual thin seams that create suspension in anime: Lack of character communication, ommiting common sense for plot effects, bending the source material to the max so things can happen. 2) As someone here said, it uses both 2077 lore and original TTRPG lore. The problem occurs when the old lore does not match the new lore anymore. 75 years in game and 40 years irl is a long time. 3) The dissonance in cyberpsychosis depiction in game and in anime (someone else also pointing those out here). Now there is treatment for it. New implants cause less stress on the body. Etc. Etc. If you read Regina's messages, not knowing any of it previously, something suddenly just won't add up anyway. 3) And 2 leads to 3. 3 leads to 4. Saka changed in that time. Its still the same souless grinder, but Saburo is now total control freak. Their aproach isn't grill your implants ask later anymore. (except when future of the company is at stake, and even that has consequences. Right Mr. jenkins?). What im getting at? Ending. "Smasher falls, everyone died." Its bland, cheap end of session gimmic from the TTRPG era, with bad after taste on top. First of all Saburo would never let Smasher anywhere near any of his billion dollar projects, if he would ever let him out of whatever 3rd world hellhole he kept him to already die, such a level of control freak he is in 2070's. Secondly corpo V scoff's when talking with el Capitano about a "half of David's fanclub being Saka's C-I", which means they knew his every move and would feel odd to not get him to parley even if it failed and he would need to be zeroed anyway. 3+) Before someone accuse me i want happy ending, or Cyberpunk is not about happy endings... Peppe Najarro, Kerry Eurodine. Del. V. And other characters you granted or have the choice to grant some form of happy ending/closure. But thats not it. Just out of my head i can come up with 2 maybe tragic endings, that are more challenging than "Smasher falls, everyone died"...
I'll be honest, I know nothing about cyberpunk aside from this anime, so I really didn't have any problems with it since I had no clue about a lot of the criticisms you brought up, In terms of the lack of character communication at least, since that's one of the only things I can actually comment on, I usually hate the miscommunication trope that comes up in a lot of anime, but I actually didn't mind it that much here. Lucy had a genuinely good reason to not tell David about the cyberskeleton, and David has an adequate reason to resent Lucy for this decision, as she essentially abandoned him in the process of trying to save him. And I also think that the ending is a bit more complex than "everybody dies, the end" since it concludes with David's character arc perfectly resolved and with Lucy's safety assured, to me, Adam Smasher was just a colorful and interesting vehicle to get us to that great ending so I didn't mind his sudden intrusion into the story since it made enough sense to me. I'm sorry I'm unable to speak to your criticisms anymore as I haven't consumed any other cyberpunk media, but can I understand at least some of your points.
@@RoroReviewsStuff They could use Morgan Blackhand as the exposition muffin. Its a cameo fans asked since the game came out. Having Blackhand as Arasaka's messanger would be the proper send off to a by gone era "no nonsence" man who wants to be left alone already. He can have "secret talk" with Rogue who sees herself in their group. Aabout Johnny and Alt, just outside Lucy's range. Who she is? Lucy should know the story. She is living a variant of it. Giving her more food for though Urobotchi style. And then have a "peaceful" Gen Urobotchi meeting with Blackhand, sMaShEr and David on top of Saka tower, spilling the beans and offering everything David seeks just for him to stay alive or accept replacements. As a proper Urobutcher finale in Cyberpunk setting: Raising the hopes up when, everything goes wrong because of the borg sMasHeR who looses his temper, as usual (see he can be useful). And Blackhand zeroes David in the end. Properly, no loose end theories. Then delivers the ticket.. Two Tickets! And some memento to Lucy. Then Falco or some Saka goon can ask if the mission is a success, and he answers that it was a failure. In front of Lucy. Later Falco informs broken Lucy that Rebecca went missing in a place that now looks like a warzone while on chase after Smasher. Que final sequence. An actual mindfaq of hope adds a flare. I think that is what i miss in there
While no prior knowledge of the game is needed to appreciate the anime, you honestly miss out on half the detail if you haven't played the game. On every single episode, I had a entire novel of detail to share with more friends about it because of things I learned from the game. Like, there are thing that just drive me mad. Like on the scene where Lucy and David watched a brain dance together and someone went "oh, they're just watching vr." Trust me, a BD is quite a bit more than a VR. If you played the game, you know how crazy a BD, a dude literally wanted to get crucified in the game like Jesus did so he could record the pain, the emotion, etc.. so that he should share it to other so they can experience the same thing. It is fucking wild. For someone to call it Just a VR does it such a disservice.. And that's just one of the details.. I have a lot more to say haha
Yeh I've been hearing more and more interesting details from people who have actually played the game unlike me, and it seems like the team behind the show really put in a lot of stuff for the fans of the game, which is especially impressive considering that even with all of those details, the show is still understandable to a newcomer like me
"I appreciate a show that doesn't talk down to their audience." That's one of my very few complaints about Ghost in the Shell. To watch what are high class government agents talk to each other as if they don't understand the current political climate, or what different agencies do. If I saw two FBI agents trying to explain the surface level nature of the CIA to each other, and who the vice president is, I'd seriously question if they're qualified for their jobs, lol... I understand why a complex political drama would require such exposition. But it still feels wonky. When I was younger I never noticed it, but rewatching the shows makes me wonder why it's so dumbed down sometimes.
Great video man, especially for such a small content creator this video was extremely well done! Keep up the good work because with more vids like this one you'll be in the big leagues in no time! Easy sub 🗿
Choom was not a term of endearment, idk where you got that from. It’s used the same way Australians use the c word. It can be good or bad depending on the context
Yeh I kinda missed the scenes where it was used in a negative context initially, so I kinda assumed it was like a friendly thing, thanks for clarifying though!
Were there any actions that made you feel that way in specific? I didn't catch anything that made me feel like he was acting out of character but I may have missed something
Loved it. Too early to say, but I do feel it will go down as a classic alongside the original Cowboy Bebop, Ghost In The Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, etc. Yes, it was THAT freaking GOOD.
It's just "good" and that's it. Very small chrono, story plot is a generic from zero to hero quest. That's not masterpiece. If you are looking for actual masterpiece - you need to watch Ghost in the shell once. After that you won't hype generic anime anymore. And at least you will know how masterpiece suppose to look like.
I've been planning to check out ghost in the shell for a while so I'll get back to you on that, but idk man this show was more than just "good" to me. It had some of the most visually stunning direction and animation I've seen in ages, and It's ending is flat out amazing. Also can't most stories be boiled down to the "zero to hero" format if you really think about it? That's just a staple of the hero's journey plot structure, the protagonist has to overcome some challenge to reach his goals. And I would hazard to say that this goes beyond that format cause David doesn't even really end up as a hero in the end, he just accomplishes his own goals and doesn't really end up as a hero to anyone aside from those close to him. Either way I can debate this for hours, but I'm sorry if the story didn't resonate with you as much as it did for me, and I'm sorry if calling it a masterpiece offended you in any way, I just stated what I felt about the series and that's that.
@@RoroReviewsStuff I understand your excitement, i really do. Still, take your time and watch Ghost in the shell 1995 and after that 2004. It is really something special. The whole cyberpunk genre as we know it today started from this manga dated by 80s, which you don't even need to read anymore thanks to 1995 film. Bladerunner, Matrix, were all based on ideas and concepts from this manga. This story is not about zero to hero. It's.. more deep, more intimate. I doubt it will resonate with you as much as Edgerunners because it's more down to earth, less edgy, and more of a arthouse, but it will give you idea what cyberpunk as a genre and will make you think about human society evolution in future. Also the animation is just on a whole different level. They just don't make those anymore.
Cyberpunk edgerunner shits on your favorite anime or tv show in terms of action, character design, art style and the main protagonist being a bad ass 🤪🤪🤪🤪❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I’m still so surprised how much people are into this incredible mediocre anime. Not that it’s bad. It’s genuinely pretty. But the actual story is really not that great. The actual animation is cheap. I’m surprised if anyone that wasn’t into the games was actually into this as a stand-alone thing. Don’t get me wrong. On the scale of good to bad. I’d like to think it sits on the good side. But honestly, I just don’t think it’s great. Good, sure. Just nothing more then that.
@@RoroReviewsStuff actually, I thought I'd jump back in and see it through to the end all thanks to your video and I am getting a lot out of it now, I'm at episode 6.
The way I see it, Night City is the main character in the show. Season 1 is a complete arc, but I'd love to see more seasons - New crew, new circumstances, but with Night City being the recurring element. In the game, you can choose between a 'Street Kid', 'Nomad' and 'Corpo' origin story for your character - So it'd be great to see those other two paths explored in a season 2 and 3. A corpo story to show how the corporate life is just as nasty as street life, but prettier, and a nomad story for more of an outsider perspective on everything (and some crazy car action scenes).
Yeah, this is the perfect way to do multiple seasons, and still keep it very fresh. Night City is definitely a large enough canvas to have multiple stories arcs like this contained within it.
Yeh those two alternate stories could be really cool, I've never played the game so I had no clue about those different storylines, but I would be really exited to see those explored!
There are no ”bad guys” in night city. Id love to see another season from some corpo’s pov.
Bro finally someone else gets it. But its one step further Night City isnt just a main character it is the main antagonist of the whole of the Cyberpunk Universe TTRPG Game and now this brilliant show. Being the culmination of un-restrained capitalism and control. Everyone plays with the idea of leaving but everyone is always drawn back in by either the idea of there dreams being obtained or obligation, and ultimately leading to their deaths because you dont become a legend in night city by living but by how you die.
I would watch show about trauma team
I remember getting the very first Cyberpunk game in the early 90s. The franchise that eventually evolved into this anime started off as a TTRRPG inspired by the first wave of cyberpunk fiction, and was set in the far-flung future year of 2013, lol. The world of Edgerunners feels organic and lived in mostly because of the huge community of authors, artists, fans, and players who immersed themselves in it for decades and contributed to it over the years.
It helps that Mike Pondsmith DMs for Cyberpunk 20XX games, and most of his games end up influencing the world.
The wildest thing about them leaving Gloria is that she IS employed as a part of EMS and isn’t covered by a system she directly works for.
It’s one of the best single pieces of media/art that I’ve ever watched
This show was actually sad, I loved every second of it . I wish Lucy and David could’ve had their happy ending though, kinda ripped my heart to see her on the moon without him
Yeh agreed, the ending was heartbreaking but I am glad they just went for it instead of trying to make the ending artificially happy, it really felt like the only way this story could have concluded in retrospect
@@RoroReviewsStuff yeah true
@@RoroReviewsStuff David was fucked either way… he was about to go Cyberpsycho. Did you see how he responded to Rebecca when he said he was going to the top of Arasaka? If he went on the moon in that condition he would’ve went insane and started killing everyone around him. Look at Maine who showed symptoms hitting Kiwi for no reason
@@RoroReviewsStuff Agree but I think it would have been better if they approached it from David's cyberware addiction. Like he states his goal was to make sure lucy could go to the moon at the end of the show but he could have done that without pushing himself to cyberpychosis so I feel like they really should have leaned into his cyberware addiction more. Maybe at least hint at it before Lucy learns about the cyber skeleton and tries to hide it from David because she really doesn't have a reason to do that at the point in the story when she does other than the fact that David thinks he's special. IMO it would have been better if David had already been showing signs of cyberware addiction and a borderline obsession with getting better and better cyberware cuz it really doesn't do that until after the scene where Lucy gets the information. The way the story is presented the whole thing could have been avoided if Lucy told David that Arasaka want's to use him as a lab rat and was honest about what she was doing when she was tracking down people who knew about that plan and had back up while she was doing it. But if they set up more justification for Lucy hiding it from David the story would make more sense.
Yeah that's probably my only issue with the show ngl, some of the problems in David and Lucy's relationship at the end seemed like they could have been solved a lot better than they were, but there was enough reason for them to act the way they did to not make me feel annoyed or irritated
I would love to see David alive, and as a villain being controlled and manipulated by arisaka.
Night City is like a Venus flytrap. It lures you in with a promise of fame, fortune, and glory, but in the end you can't escape and it smothers and eats you alive and even if you do get out it takes a part of you either mentally or literally.
Night city is Like the American Dream
@@whiteoscreen2383 Well it is future California, so that says alot.
I was shocked and so pleasantly (?) surprised at how satisfying the ending managed to be. A lot of the reason it hit so hard for me is bc we rarely get well-made modern tragedy. The ending is sad, for sure, but it's cathartic, not depressing. It's a safe sorrow the way that horror movies are a safe terror. Too often stories go for tragedy and end up in motiveless grimdark which can get exhausting. This felt rounded out and significant and worthwhile despite (and I'd even say, because of) how tragic it was, not truncated for shock value. Heartwrenching but also complete and meaningful. Pretty masterful imo.
I'm gonna try and find a quote, I'll put it here if I do
I once heard a lecture where someone said that the great appeal of tragedy is to see terrible things happen to people you're supposed to empathize with and see yourself in, and that the catharsis comes from seeing someone's life go horribly wrong and still have the author hold your hand and tell you 'this story mattered. even though it had a sad ending it still mattered. even if you don't succeed your attempts matter.' Grimdark tells you that the world sucks and nothing you do matters, well-written tragedy tells you that sometimes the world sucks but everything you do matters so so much, your story is still worth telling even if you never achieve that happy ending or if you lose it along the way. People have inherent value and their stories deserve to be told no matter if they turn out okay or not and in a reality that has no concept of 'fair' that shit just hits good man!!! feels good!!!!! it's COMFORTING (
Big yes, I think what you mentioned is actually way more reason for why this amine hits so well, not the usual "character development, plot, etc.".
It was always clear where the story would end and maybe the viewer just wished for a proper "journey". The fact you don't see much of a romance between them would usually make the relationship less interesting to the viewer, but somehow here its the other way around. The whole enfolding of their storyline was heartwrenching, because we knew what we wanted to see and what they wanted to do, but Night City didn't let them.
The atmosphere it brings with its animations is honestly unbelievable, the music is also actually good for literally every scene.
Step 1. Watch Edgerunners and Dawid's music video (2 or 3 times, Dub/Sub, doesn't matter).
Step 2. Buy CP2077 for -50% off
Step 3. Go to Afterlife, order David Martinez
Step 4. Have your girlfriend ask why you're crying about a video game.
They put more world building and character building in 10 episodes than most shows would do in an entire few seasons.
Chrome, Eddies and Chom are all common sayings within the CyperPunk 2077 world.
The anime assumes people have played the game, therefore uses the same language, which is super immersive :)
Gonk, Prem and Delta also are sayings from the game.
Good work on your video; your editing and presentation are on point
I look forward to seeing your future videos :)
Yeah I had assumed some of the slang had carried over from the game but thanks for confirming it! Also thank you so much for the kind words!
@@RoroReviewsStuff one more degree of relation, the slang for the game is taken from the slang from the original cyberpunk tabletop core rulebooks for the worlds lore.
I would love to see another video where you go more in depth with some spoilers, I loved this one, subbed :)
MaxTac is a corp born from a branch of SWAT that was formed to deal with cyborgs back when chrome first started going around commercially.
It’s almost exclusively made of near and former cyberpsychos, and was turned into MaxTac by one such former cyberpsycho.
I'd love to see more in the future. With spoilers of course
They should make seasons out of the lifestyles! David could be the street kid!
If you play the game, you would be inside the very world Edgerunners anime, everything there every place, gun car, cyberware... everything, you can even receive a message from Falco and get some stuff from the anime like the David Jacket and Becca's shotgun.
I've actually been planning to play the game for a bit and this show really made me want to check it out, it seems like it'll hit hard after watching the show, but we'll see
My theory is Adam smasher and David is same, Adam smasher said he was "special as well" so if u look back at the series, every team deaths is show that their body blow apart like maine..rebeca..pilar..Dorio..kiwi but unlike David they just didn't show his head getting pop. I think he will become like Adam smasher cuz he even said that he was surprise that David handle that long, in season 2 in my own theory and expectation will happen is. Lucy will indeed comeback but before that I think she will be ready with a crew, and try to receive a data that which David is still alive or not, if did that David is alive he will be like adam smasher and Lucy will try to bring back David back as a normal and young David unlike becoming a "Adam smasher" just do what as he told. Both of them deserve better Lucy being with David in the moon and David Achieve the promise of his mother getting in the top of arasaka tower. They live in cyberpunk yr 2076 maybe somewhere in that few yrs in the future but I don't know how will affect the game but maybe they invented a "thing" that can like past the consciousness into a fully cyborg body but lets just hope they would make a season 2 where Lucy and David are together in the moon.. or at least made a prequal to this where "If" nothing goes wrong. Lucy and David
I like that it doesn't belittle you if you don't play the game yet if you did take the time you can see and understand more which amplifies the the show.
I really enjoyed your breakdown. It helped me enjoy the series even more.
One of the better analysis videos out there, you went into detail on specific things the series does really well while avoiding spoilers. Id definitely love to see what youd talk about in a spoilery vid. Love this series so so so much.
Ahhhhh… Made in Abyss music. Love to hear it.
They used so many cliches it surprised me. But since the story was written with characters flushed out and each had mini arcs with a show direction that MADE SENSE. This made it a great show and one that will be relavent for a long time. Its not surprising in this day of show anchored off of politcal agendas that a regular show with writing that focused on entertainment, while having cliched character roles, was amazing. Take note Holllywood/Disney/Amazon.
Only one issue about the description of the cyberpsychosis description. Higher quality parts themselves aren't supposed to be as impactful in the lore itself due to optimization. The oldest cyberware according to the TTRPG lorebooks had WAY MORE chances of inducing cyberpsychosis then the ones being sold in 2077 through legal outlets (read as, something ripperdocs might not actually have in stock for the commoners visiting them).
The Sandevistan itself is a military grade cyberware, not meant for the public. Quality isn't much of a factor here since soldiers implanted with them would either have heavy regulation or be pumped full of drugs to keep their body and sanity in check (might intentionally or not have a parallel reference for the heavy drug use by US troops in the Vietnam War to cope with the PTSD inducing situations or for performance enhancement like keeping awake in night watch shifts, both heavily documented cases)
Ah alright thanks for the heads up, I'm not too familiar with Cyberpunk beyond just this anime so I was kinda just basing my explanation off of my observations in the show which weren't exactly all accurate. Thanks for the info though I appreciate the correction!
To be perfectly clear i have yet to rewatch the anime, but my first thought as soon as Ive seen David with the Sandevistan, using it as if it was just a toy, I knew he will end badly and as soon as he started to see himself as special, it confirmed my suspicion.
Even though he had very high affinity, letting him use cyberware more, he was still just another kid from the streets, everyone knew that, even we as watchers did, but he was purely oblivious to that fact.
One of the scenes that utterly broke me, was when Rebecca tried talking to him in the chase scene at the end, her voice broken when she realised David was almost all gone mistaking her for his Mother and her just going with it.
But in the end as the song goes, he didnt lose his self control, didnt became the murderous machine he was supposed to.
Edgerunners is not (only) based of the CDPR's game, is based and cannon of the vast RPG book series from Mike Pondsmith since the 80's.
Naah, Cyberpunk 2077 is based on Pondmisht game, but anime is definetly only based on CDPR game.
@@Jehowy666 If A -> B, and B -> C, then A -> C via the commutative property. In other words, if the game is based off the RPG, and the anime is based off the game, then the anime is also based off the RPG
Great video!!!! Very well made!!!! Keep it up!!!!
Awesome video, really put into words what was so amazing about this anime.
I can see you put a lot of time and energy into this. Excellent editing and great story-telling. Great job man.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Cool review, many thanks!
Good job on the last 2 videos you made Roro. It's nice to see your hard work finally paying off and seeing those tens of thousands of views. Keep it up man. You got this.
Thanks, I'm super exited at the success and I have even more motivation now to keep up this quality and quantity of content!
I really love this video man
The wonderful thing about the show and the genre is that there's no real singular villain that needs to die for the world to be saved. Society has been molded into a money-making machine at the cost of everyone and everything - it's a consequence instead of malice. The elite 0.1% may reap the rewards, but they live with a target on their back. The rest of the world fights over the scraps, and the planet struggles to support... well, anything.
The main villain of Cyberpunk 2077 is the city itself - it's a prison to all inside. And the only way Lucy is able to escape is by David buying her ticket out with his life, figuratively and literally.
She managed to fulfill a dream in a city that crushes them - but by then it cost the one thing she didn't want to give, so The City took it.
Cyberpunk Edgerunners understands what cyberpunk is and not just 2077 like all of those that takes place in a cyberpunk setting its fantastical and cool but at the same time its bleak, Its rare for a character to come out completely unscathed emotionally and physically.
i mean...i can think of one certain characters death that was most certainly not adequately built up to!
SHE DESERVED BETTER
...Yeah you know what fair enough, R.I.P Rebecca, you will be missed even though I still don't know why the internet likes you so much
@@RoroReviewsStuff For a few people, it was her quirkiness and probably that scene where David delivers some parts to her brother. But for me though, what sold me is when she realized David was gone and went along with it. "Alright. Let's go then. To the top".
I can understand that, I did really enjoy her character, maybe not as much as some other people did, but she was definitely fun to watch and I enjoyed her dynamic with David
@@RoroReviewsStuff because she's an incredibly well-written character that defies expectations audiences would have from her design.
putting her own feelings for david aside, becoming the best friend anyone could ever have, and then ending like THAT.
brutal.
The editing in this video is really good, man
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
You can predict who makes it out alive. The answer is pretty much no one!
I was thinking when it came out that it will be also (Glitchy) like the game but they nailed it with the anime. I hope they can also fix the game because project cd red also made witcher which is a banger of a game.
interested in seeing you talk more :)
Edge Runners is the best anime/game tie in so far. Every location in the anime is in the Cyberpunk 2077. The chrome, weapons, slang, feel, even it’s brutality is all there. That being said Edge Runners is it’s own story, its own characters. It can stand alone but is enhanced so much more when you play the game. When you can go to the same locations and see the same vistas. The game and the anime just complement each other so well that both get enhanced by it.
Masterpiece I agree
Hello mr.Roro I went find this music playing in the 2:40 mark i can not find it on description or the playlist down below please link if wanted and also video was great
I think that song is by Ichika Nito and is called “I miss you”. It was formerly part of Ludwig’s playlist but got taken off recently I think. Glad you enjoyed!
Thank you
well, ye, all he said is straight Facts
To me Vinland Saga win #1 anime of all time.
Edge runners is easy top 5.
I think season 1 of Vinland Saga was exactly as bittersweet ( or even more ) that it changed my whole outlook on life. but Edgerunners showed unique perspective that i can't ignore to think of. season 2 of Vinland saga showed what happens after Edgerunners character ( spoiler ) is gonna live thru.. that part and more growth & development. knocked it out of the park.
I haven’t felt this good since Cowboy Bebop released on Toonami
Cowboy bebop is goated
It's San devi Stan. Like devistate not San devee stahn
I would not a season 2 BUT with new characters and a new story.
Nice review
No it isnt. Its great, definetly on par with Bebop (including the cheap 'out of left field' ending, lol) and one of the "better" (read BEST) gore psycho-thriller anime's as of late. But it has its flaws.
1) Its held together by the usual thin seams that create suspension in anime: Lack of character communication, ommiting common sense for plot effects, bending the source material to the max so things can happen.
2) As someone here said, it uses both 2077 lore and original TTRPG lore. The problem occurs when the old lore does not match the new lore anymore. 75 years in game and 40 years irl is a long time.
3) The dissonance in cyberpsychosis depiction in game and in anime (someone else also pointing those out here). Now there is treatment for it. New implants cause less stress on the body. Etc. Etc. If you read Regina's messages, not knowing any of it previously, something suddenly just won't add up anyway.
3) And 2 leads to 3. 3 leads to 4. Saka changed in that time. Its still the same souless grinder, but Saburo is now total control freak. Their aproach isn't grill your implants ask later anymore. (except when future of the company is at stake, and even that has consequences. Right Mr. jenkins?).
What im getting at? Ending. "Smasher falls, everyone died." Its bland, cheap end of session gimmic from the TTRPG era, with bad after taste on top.
First of all Saburo would never let Smasher anywhere near any of his billion dollar projects, if he would ever let him out of whatever 3rd world hellhole he kept him to already die, such a level of control freak he is in 2070's. Secondly corpo V scoff's when talking with el Capitano about a "half of David's fanclub being Saka's C-I", which means they knew his every move and would feel odd to not get him to parley even if it failed and he would need to be zeroed anyway.
3+) Before someone accuse me i want happy ending, or Cyberpunk is not about happy endings... Peppe Najarro, Kerry Eurodine. Del. V. And other characters you granted or have the choice to grant some form of happy ending/closure.
But thats not it. Just out of my head i can come up with 2 maybe tragic endings, that are more challenging than "Smasher falls, everyone died"...
I'll be honest, I know nothing about cyberpunk aside from this anime, so I really didn't have any problems with it since I had no clue about a lot of the criticisms you brought up, In terms of the lack of character communication at least, since that's one of the only things I can actually comment on, I usually hate the miscommunication trope that comes up in a lot of anime, but I actually didn't mind it that much here. Lucy had a genuinely good reason to not tell David about the cyberskeleton, and David has an adequate reason to resent Lucy for this decision, as she essentially abandoned him in the process of trying to save him. And I also think that the ending is a bit more complex than "everybody dies, the end" since it concludes with David's character arc perfectly resolved and with Lucy's safety assured, to me, Adam Smasher was just a colorful and interesting vehicle to get us to that great ending so I didn't mind his sudden intrusion into the story since it made enough sense to me. I'm sorry I'm unable to speak to your criticisms anymore as I haven't consumed any other cyberpunk media, but can I understand at least some of your points.
@@RoroReviewsStuff They could use Morgan Blackhand as the exposition muffin. Its a cameo fans asked since the game came out. Having Blackhand as Arasaka's messanger would be the proper send off to a by gone era "no nonsence" man who wants to be left alone already. He can have "secret talk" with Rogue who sees herself in their group. Aabout Johnny and Alt, just outside Lucy's range. Who she is? Lucy should know the story. She is living a variant of it. Giving her more food for though Urobotchi style.
And then have a "peaceful" Gen Urobotchi meeting with Blackhand, sMaShEr and David on top of Saka tower, spilling the beans and offering everything David seeks just for him to stay alive or accept replacements. As a proper Urobutcher finale in Cyberpunk setting: Raising the hopes up when, everything goes wrong because of the borg sMasHeR who looses his temper, as usual (see he can be useful). And Blackhand zeroes David in the end. Properly, no loose end theories. Then delivers the ticket.. Two Tickets! And some memento to Lucy. Then Falco or some Saka goon can ask if the mission is a success, and he answers that it was a failure. In front of Lucy.
Later Falco informs broken Lucy that Rebecca went missing in a place that now looks like a warzone while on chase after Smasher. Que final sequence.
An actual mindfaq of hope adds a flare. I think that is what i miss in there
While no prior knowledge of the game is needed to appreciate the anime, you honestly miss out on half the detail if you haven't played the game. On every single episode, I had a entire novel of detail to share with more friends about it because of things I learned from the game.
Like, there are thing that just drive me mad. Like on the scene where Lucy and David watched a brain dance together and someone went "oh, they're just watching vr." Trust me, a BD is quite a bit more than a VR. If you played the game, you know how crazy a BD, a dude literally wanted to get crucified in the game like Jesus did so he could record the pain, the emotion, etc.. so that he should share it to other so they can experience the same thing. It is fucking wild. For someone to call it Just a VR does it such a disservice..
And that's just one of the details.. I have a lot more to say haha
Yeh I've been hearing more and more interesting details from people who have actually played the game unlike me, and it seems like the team behind the show really put in a lot of stuff for the fans of the game, which is especially impressive considering that even with all of those details, the show is still understandable to a newcomer like me
"I appreciate a show that doesn't talk down to their audience."
That's one of my very few complaints about Ghost in the Shell. To watch what are high class government agents talk to each other as if they don't understand the current political climate, or what different agencies do. If I saw two FBI agents trying to explain the surface level nature of the CIA to each other, and who the vice president is, I'd seriously question if they're qualified for their jobs, lol...
I understand why a complex political drama would require such exposition. But it still feels wonky. When I was younger I never noticed it, but rewatching the shows makes me wonder why it's so dumbed down sometimes.
Great video man, especially for such a small content creator this video was extremely well done! Keep up the good work because with more vids like this one you'll be in the big leagues in no time! Easy sub 🗿
Thanks, I'll try my best to keep it up!
I would like there to be a series 2, but for it to be about a different character.
Story was polished because it was made by Poles! ba dum tss!
NICE
Choom was not a term of endearment, idk where you got that from. It’s used the same way Australians use the c word. It can be good or bad depending on the context
Yeh I kinda missed the scenes where it was used in a negative context initially, so I kinda assumed it was like a friendly thing, thanks for clarifying though!
spread the word
It's the best!
If you've seen the anime Akame ga Kill, you'll find quite a few similarities.
Can u do an Edgerunner vs Arcane?
Bet
There are no happy endings in night city.
nice
please for the love of christ....
They literally pronounce it in the anime multiple times.
SAN-DEVIS-STAN
not san deveeeee stan
Sorry I watched it subbed so I had no clue what I was doing, I just basically switched the pronunciation each time I said it T-T
@@RoroReviewsStuff i was getting ganked repeatedly in world of warcraft when i wrote that comment, didn't mean to come off so agressive, sorry bro
You're fine lol, i probably should have looked up the proper pronunciation either way so it was good feedback, hope the game is going better!
My only disagreement is David. He doesn't feel like a believable character to me because his actions don't align with his stated motivations.
Were there any actions that made you feel that way in specific? I didn't catch anything that made me feel like he was acting out of character but I may have missed something
Cool video!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
For me it a very good anime but not a masterpiece like people are saying ive seen better.
Hot take
Its akame ga eveyones killed with a cyberpunk skin
gaming reference
7:48 - What's this show?
The one in the center poster is "In Another World With My Smartphone" i think, and the person in the background is from Evangelion
Loved it. Too early to say, but I do feel it will go down as a classic alongside the original Cowboy Bebop, Ghost In The Shell, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, etc. Yes, it was THAT freaking GOOD.
It's just "good" and that's it. Very small chrono, story plot is a generic from zero to hero quest. That's not masterpiece. If you are looking for actual masterpiece - you need to watch Ghost in the shell once. After that you won't hype generic anime anymore. And at least you will know how masterpiece suppose to look like.
I've been planning to check out ghost in the shell for a while so I'll get back to you on that, but idk man this show was more than just "good" to me. It had some of the most visually stunning direction and animation I've seen in ages, and It's ending is flat out amazing. Also can't most stories be boiled down to the "zero to hero" format if you really think about it? That's just a staple of the hero's journey plot structure, the protagonist has to overcome some challenge to reach his goals. And I would hazard to say that this goes beyond that format cause David doesn't even really end up as a hero in the end, he just accomplishes his own goals and doesn't really end up as a hero to anyone aside from those close to him. Either way I can debate this for hours, but I'm sorry if the story didn't resonate with you as much as it did for me, and I'm sorry if calling it a masterpiece offended you in any way, I just stated what I felt about the series and that's that.
@@RoroReviewsStuff I understand your excitement, i really do. Still, take your time and watch Ghost in the shell 1995 and after that 2004. It is really something special. The whole cyberpunk genre as we know it today started from this manga dated by 80s, which you don't even need to read anymore thanks to 1995 film. Bladerunner, Matrix, were all based on ideas and concepts from this manga. This story is not about zero to hero. It's.. more deep, more intimate. I doubt it will resonate with you as much as Edgerunners because it's more down to earth, less edgy, and more of a arthouse, but it will give you idea what cyberpunk as a genre and will make you think about human society evolution in future. Also the animation is just on a whole different level. They just don't make those anymore.
If you say so, I'll check it out, if it is as good as you say I'll definitely make a video on it but we'll see
Sandy veestan? 🤣
"masterpiece" lol
Cyberpunk edgerunner shits on your favorite anime or tv show in terms of action, character design, art style and the main protagonist being a bad ass 🤪🤪🤪🤪❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@jeremiahkisimba5938 years from now the anime I put on my top 10 will still be remembered even from the 90s enjoy the ok tv show weirdo fanboy
@@dmcfail987 😂😂😂😭😭😭 I speak facts lol David has better drip than your favorite main protagonist lol
hi roro
Hi :D
I’m still so surprised how much people are into this incredible mediocre anime. Not that it’s bad. It’s genuinely pretty. But the actual story is really not that great. The actual animation is cheap.
I’m surprised if anyone that wasn’t into the games was actually into this as a stand-alone thing.
Don’t get me wrong. On the scale of good to bad. I’d like to think it sits on the good side. But honestly, I just don’t think it’s great. Good, sure. Just nothing more then that.
Lost interest in it after ep 3
That's fair, even though I think its an amazing show, it may not appeal to everyone but I hope you enjoyed my video anyways!
@@RoroReviewsStuff actually, I thought I'd jump back in and see it through to the end all thanks to your video and I am getting a lot out of it now, I'm at episode 6.