2 things 1. all the polymer is to keep it under 10 lbs so it can’t be classified as a destructive device by the NFA 2. The Polymer Magwell is because Fostech is going to eventually come out with conversion kits where you can shoot rounds such as the 308 using the same lower.
I just got one a week ago. You are right about the fit and finish and it's robust nature. There is also some hefty Engineeringtalk befire you see the first Origin. I am off a with your praise of the weight (fknhvy). My last build , an AR10 type role was 5lb14oz with a 20" bbarrel. Carbon fiberand titanium is costly. I believe my choice of materia will make for an easy handling thumper. I will also be robust and rather smart, low reecoil and moa @ 600 yds.
Have you delved into upgrading the stock? Would it be doable, or is it more of a fixed item on the firearm? I've grown used to the comfort of my hydraulic stock and I don't think I'm quite ready to give that up.
Excellent close up shots and review. Really interested in this. But the JaM-O-MaTiC, broken bolts and broken parts, broken weld's? Thats what turned me away from the UTAS. The S&W M&P 12 BullPup is looking much better now. I have a KELTEC KS7 and with the mini shells. It is a nice piece of kit. And love my BERETTA 1301 COMP 21 inch barrel with the NORDIC Extended Tube and holds 10+1. Super fast, no kick, smooth and fast.
Nice collection there! I got rid of the Origin a while back. I just decided it wasn't worth the money. That said, it sounds like you'd also like the SRM 1216. Another great shotty to consider!
The one that they sent to me was a $2,800 paperweight. Right out of the box, it jammed every single round. I sent it back to them to fix that and they sent it back, jamming every other round. Sent it back again, and got something that jams every 4th round with a statement that there is nothing more that they will do for me... :-( After they told me to screw myself, i got to smithing and with A LOT OF TLC i only had 2 jams in the last 150 rounds. Also the accuracy was ~200 MOA out of the box and i have got it to ~10 MOA.
Very interesting and unfortunate. Were you noticing cycling issues with all shell types? Did hotter high brass loads still fail? Slugs? I've also started noticing recently that some shells that are marked 2 3/4" are slightly larger than that and would cause issues in the Origin. Either way, I've moved on to the Benelli M4. No complaints here! Lol
@@EchoDelta2A Initially, i used whatever ammo i had and it jammed every single round. Immediately, I returned it to Fostech (first time) and after a few weeks they returned it telling me that they "didn't have any issues with cycling", but were kind enough to replace a couple faulty parts which had solicited vast complaints from their customers. now it only jammed every other round... Not being satisfied with a $2,800 shotgun that is so unreliable, i sent it back the second time. They called me to tell me they are not having any issues and asked what ammo i was using. I told them that if it is just an ammo issue, send me the packaging of the ammo they say "works perfectly every time." If I am willing to spend $2,800 on a firearm, i am clearly willing to buy quality ammo to run through it. When i got it back, with their ammo packages, i went and bought a few boxes of each type of ammo. Using their suggested ammo, it seemed to improve, but not by much. Now it only failed every 1 in every 4 rounds. I don't care what you spend on a gun, that is unacceptable, but Fostech told me that "there is nothing more that they could do" so i buckled down and started diagnosing the failure issues, then smithing them one at a time. When Fostech washed their hands of me (their unsatisfied customer), i had a $2,800 shotgun with ~200 MOA accuracy which failed 25% of the time. Adding several hours of work, i now have a shotgun with ~10 MOA accuracy which fails less than 2% of the time. I am well aware of what is causing these remaining failures, but it is a cheap component that i cannot fix. It needs to be fabricated correctly, but i dont think they care. I was looking hard at a replacement (such as the benelli) until i got this thing tuned up. With all the work i put in and as well as it is working i am having a hard time considering another option. Seems like most firearms i try have some issues that i have to clean up. Is the devil you now better than the one you dont?
@@eloyestrada2347 Not with use. I had to smith it a lot, but it now jams less than 2% of the time. Considering that it started with 100% jams, this is pretty good. There are a lot of stupid design errors that need to be smoothed out.
Hello this video and the field strip video really helped me out thank you.i have one question is the gas adjustment plug supposed to be so loose? I can't see needed a shell to adjust being that is so loose thanks
Thanks and I'm glad it helped. I no longer own the origin, but if I remember correctly, there's a rubber gasket that's part of that plug. Perhaps it's starting to wear down or is missing. Not 100% certain but worth taking a look.
I had such high hopes for the Origin 12 it really seemed like my all time dream scatter gun but my first "all nickel" 18" locked up before I ever fired a round and I had to send it back to Fostech which was a fast turn around, also it fired when it was on the safe position and that got past QC but who needs a safety right? that first gun broke the bolt on round 6, my second Origin 12 was a "nickel internal" 18" it broke the bolt on the first short fired always using standard 2 3/4" rounds. I still have a few NIB unfired as collector guns but I'd never trust them and I never want to fire another when there are so many reliable shotguns to be had. Mag fed sounds good on paper but in the real world running and crawling etc I sent back to tube fed guns including Tac-13, DP-12 and Tavor TS-12
Wow! That's definitely a scary malfunction. I hope to never see the day, but so far - I've had nothing but reliability with this one. Every manufacturer has a lemon here and there, but you're not the first person that's had issues with the Origin. I'll definitely do a follow-up video at some point in the future after a decent round count. Thanks for the input!
It's beautiful, but with the long barrel I wonder, what's the point? I guess I'd rather have a DP-12, or if a long barrel I'd get like a Benelli M4 or a Beretta?
I agree. It gets really nose heavy after a while. This thing was meant for the short barrel SBS version. They just sell the long barrel version as a technicality lol.
Well, in general, if you're using light loads with under 1300fps, you want more gas to help it cycle. If you're using defensive loads with higher fps, you can close the gas enough where it still cycles. There's no trick to it except trial and error. Once you get a good idea of which rounds work consistently with a specific gas setting, you should stick to only using that type of ammunition.
Having owned and hunted with a SPAS since the early 80's I don't see any reason I would ever down grade to one of these monstrosities. Carry a SPAS fully loaded with ammo all day hunting and you realize anything heavier would be silly without good reason. Semi auto shotguns here in the Midwest and in colder locations fail to cycle in extreme conditions. I liked my Remington semi auto until it would freeze up while duck hunting. When the SPAS fails to feed I slide it into pump mode for the rest of the day. That's the only reason I have kept it all these decades. Otherwise I'd revert back to my very old Remington 870 pump which is much lighter even with the magazine extension.
Only two things I can think of. First, be sure you're using high brass shells. Nothing light, especially through the break in period. Also, be sure to watch my field strip video, open her up, and give her a thorough cleaning.
I hear ya. Don't have it anymore, and I'll tell you why: Not worth the money, and the M4 is far superior. With that said, you should also consider the SRM 1216. Stay tuned for why.
The pistol grip came with it. It's a FAB defense AK grip. The angled grip I bought from Opticsplanet. It's a FAB defense multi point side folding grip.
The shotgun goes for about $2500-2600. Drum goes for $500-600. All the other crap is, give or take, another $500. Not a smart investment, but it's a sexy one 😁
It's like saying, "why would you buy a Krebs AK when there's a perfectly good Century Arms AK for half the price?" The Vepr 12 is not on the same level.
@@EchoDelta2A except a Krebs ak doesn't limit the ammo you can run through it (origins can't even accept 3 inch shells). Also did you ever think to look up what the 3 gun community runs for shotguns? Hint: they ain't spending 3 grand on an origin 12.
@@toddwalraven3090 And why is that relevant exactly? 3 gun shooters use competition pistols with optics, huge mag wells, and all kinds of stuff hanging off of them. Does that make high end 1911s obsolete because Jerry Miculek doesn't use them in a timed gun run?
@@toddwalraven3090 Ultimately, I get your point. That you can buy a similar system for less is a nice statistic. You can say the same about virtually every gun and every platform out there.
I have fostech origin 12 and its not reliable in tactical scenerios its a failure IWI TS 12 has this beaten hands down its highly tactical reliable made for the actual battles in the desert chech it out
Imagine if this thing had been around in the 80s. Every badass villain and Terminator-esque antihero would have been using one.
2 things
1. all the polymer is to keep it under 10 lbs so it can’t be classified as a destructive device by the NFA
2. The Polymer Magwell is because Fostech is going to eventually come out with conversion kits where you can shoot rounds such as the 308 using the same lower.
I think they said the 308 thing like 20 years ago. Doubt it'll happen and they wouldn't sell much in my opinion.
Not when my Adams Arms weighs 3 lbs less.@@salcidojosiah
I have to admit this is one of the coolest shotguns out there. This or a Benelli M1014 If I had the money to burn.
Dont forget the DP-12 👌
I just got one a week ago. You are right about the fit and finish and it's robust nature. There is also some hefty Engineeringtalk befire you see the first Origin. I am off a with your praise of the weight (fknhvy). My last build , an AR10 type role was 5lb14oz with a 20" bbarrel. Carbon fiberand titanium is costly. I believe my choice of materia will make for an easy handling thumper. I will also be robust and rather smart, low reecoil and moa @ 600 yds.
Love your videos on the origin 12!
I just bought an SBS version. I can't wait to pick it up
Check out the field strip video if you'd like to see disassembly. It's not as complicated as one would think. Very AK-like
Have you delved into upgrading the stock? Would it be doable, or is it more of a fixed item on the firearm? I've grown used to the comfort of my hydraulic stock and I don't think I'm quite ready to give that up.
Excellent close up shots and review. Really interested in this. But the JaM-O-MaTiC, broken bolts and broken parts, broken weld's? Thats what turned me away from the UTAS. The S&W M&P 12 BullPup is looking much better now. I have a KELTEC KS7 and with the mini shells. It is a nice piece of kit. And love my BERETTA 1301 COMP 21 inch barrel with the NORDIC Extended Tube and holds 10+1. Super fast, no kick, smooth and fast.
Nice collection there! I got rid of the Origin a while back. I just decided it wasn't worth the money. That said, it sounds like you'd also like the SRM 1216. Another great shotty to consider!
@@EchoDelta2AThanks I'm a collector. SRM sounds awesome. The design of the Origin did it for me.
Great video could you do one showing the takedown, cleaning, and assembly process.
Ask and you shall receive lol. The field strip video is up!
David thank you
Some jams happen if your gas adjustment isn't right or bad shells
True. Definitely a more fussy system. Best to find an ammo type that works and keep it consistent.
The one that they sent to me was a $2,800 paperweight.
Right out of the box, it jammed every single round. I sent it back to them to fix that and they sent it back, jamming every other round. Sent it back again, and got something that jams every 4th round with a statement that there is nothing more that they will do for me... :-(
After they told me to screw myself, i got to smithing and with A LOT OF TLC i only had 2 jams in the last 150 rounds.
Also the accuracy was ~200 MOA out of the box and i have got it to ~10 MOA.
Very interesting and unfortunate. Were you noticing cycling issues with all shell types? Did hotter high brass loads still fail? Slugs? I've also started noticing recently that some shells that are marked 2 3/4" are slightly larger than that and would cause issues in the Origin. Either way, I've moved on to the Benelli M4. No complaints here! Lol
@@EchoDelta2A
Initially, i used whatever ammo i had and it jammed every single round.
Immediately, I returned it to Fostech (first time) and after a few weeks they returned it telling me that they "didn't have any issues with cycling", but were kind enough to replace a couple faulty parts which had solicited vast complaints from their customers. now it only jammed every other round...
Not being satisfied with a $2,800 shotgun that is so unreliable, i sent it back the second time. They called me to tell me they are not having any issues and asked what ammo i was using. I told them that if it is just an ammo issue, send me the packaging of the ammo they say "works perfectly every time." If I am willing to spend $2,800 on a firearm, i am clearly willing to buy quality ammo to run through it.
When i got it back, with their ammo packages, i went and bought a few boxes of each type of ammo. Using their suggested ammo, it seemed to improve, but not by much. Now it only failed every 1 in every 4 rounds.
I don't care what you spend on a gun, that is unacceptable, but Fostech told me that "there is nothing more that they could do" so i buckled down and started diagnosing the failure issues, then smithing them one at a time.
When Fostech washed their hands of me (their unsatisfied customer), i had a $2,800 shotgun with ~200 MOA accuracy which failed 25% of the time.
Adding several hours of work, i now have a shotgun with ~10 MOA accuracy which fails less than 2% of the time.
I am well aware of what is causing these remaining failures, but it is a cheap component that i cannot fix. It needs to be fabricated correctly, but i dont think they care.
I was looking hard at a replacement (such as the benelli) until i got this thing tuned up. With all the work i put in and as well as it is working i am having a hard time considering another option. Seems like most firearms i try have some issues that i have to clean up. Is the devil you now better than the one you dont?
@@EchoDelta2A You've moved on? Does that mean I shouldn't get one?
Just bought one and it jams all the time...did yours every get better after longer use?
@@eloyestrada2347
Not with use. I had to smith it a lot, but it now jams less than 2% of the time.
Considering that it started with 100% jams, this is pretty good.
There are a lot of stupid design errors that need to be smoothed out.
Hello this video and the field strip video really helped me out thank you.i have one question is the gas adjustment plug supposed to be so loose? I can't see needed a shell to adjust being that is so loose thanks
Thanks and I'm glad it helped. I no longer own the origin, but if I remember correctly, there's a rubber gasket that's part of that plug. Perhaps it's starting to wear down or is missing. Not 100% certain but worth taking a look.
I had such high hopes for the Origin 12 it really seemed like my all time dream scatter gun but my first "all nickel" 18" locked up before I ever fired a round and I had to send it back to Fostech which was a fast turn around, also it fired when it was on the safe position and that got past QC but who needs a safety right? that first gun broke the bolt on round 6, my second Origin 12 was a "nickel internal" 18" it broke the bolt on the first short fired always using standard 2 3/4" rounds. I still have a few NIB unfired as collector guns but I'd never trust them and I never want to fire another when there are so many reliable shotguns to be had. Mag fed sounds good on paper but in the real world running and crawling etc I sent back to tube fed guns including Tac-13, DP-12 and Tavor TS-12
Wow! That's definitely a scary malfunction. I hope to never see the day, but so far - I've had nothing but reliability with this one. Every manufacturer has a lemon here and there, but you're not the first person that's had issues with the Origin. I'll definitely do a follow-up video at some point in the future after a decent round count. Thanks for the input!
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I wanna buy that gun
I love it omg
How are you able to get the drum!? Those are so damn hard to find
It's beautiful, but with the long barrel I wonder, what's the point? I guess I'd rather have a DP-12, or if a long barrel I'd get like a Benelli M4 or a Beretta?
I agree. It gets really nose heavy after a while. This thing was meant for the short barrel SBS version. They just sell the long barrel version as a technicality lol.
@@EchoDelta2A unfortunately in Washington State it’s the only option so… nah I guess.
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Can you help me with the gas settings for the different type of rounds
Well, in general, if you're using light loads with under 1300fps, you want more gas to help it cycle. If you're using defensive loads with higher fps, you can close the gas enough where it still cycles. There's no trick to it except trial and error. Once you get a good idea of which rounds work consistently with a specific gas setting, you should stick to only using that type of ammunition.
Having owned and hunted with a SPAS since the early 80's I don't see any reason I would ever down grade to one of these monstrosities. Carry a SPAS fully loaded with ammo all day hunting and you realize anything heavier would be silly without good reason. Semi auto shotguns here in the Midwest and in colder locations fail to cycle in extreme conditions. I liked my Remington semi auto until it would freeze up while duck hunting. When the SPAS fails to feed I slide it into pump mode for the rest of the day. That's the only reason I have kept it all these decades. Otherwise I'd revert back to my very old Remington 870 pump which is much lighter even with the magazine extension.
@Kilgor bro imagine calling something ugly then proceeded to mention the spas 12 🤣
I recently bought one and its jams or doesn't eject the cartridge....any suggestions?
Only two things I can think of. First, be sure you're using high brass shells. Nothing light, especially through the break in period. Also, be sure to watch my field strip video, open her up, and give her a thorough cleaning.
Hey so I want to buy one , how’s it holding up any Jams or no? is it worth buying
Love your upgrades man!! How does it fire??
Kicks like a mule! No issues thus far.
Impression:
“Angry warzone kid screams”
You haven’t run a Beretta 1301 have you? Once you do, you will ditch the fosters...we all did.
Haven’t had the pleasure, but you’ve got my attention 🤔
Looks like smaller version of of a 40K bolter.
Time to step this up to a 10ga!
You still have this thing and would you recommend it ? I can’t decide between this a benelli m4 but this gun speaks me when when I look at it my god
I hear ya. Don't have it anymore, and I'll tell you why: Not worth the money, and the M4 is far superior. With that said, you should also consider the SRM 1216. Stay tuned for why.
@@EchoDelta2A damn ya that’s what I keep saying people say under 2k worth it but not like 2500-3k and ok I’ll look into it man ! And will do
Is that the Afg 2 or the original?
That's the Gen 2
What is the grip you’re using on the side called?
FAB Defense T-FS
I've got my contest ticket.
Can the drum mag be used with vepr12 from customization?
As far as I know, the magwell on the Origin is proprietary, as is the mag. I don’t believe it would work on the Vepr without heavily modifying it.
@@EchoDelta2A thank you bro😊
generally, it's tuned saiga 12
It's like saying that a ZR-1 is "generally, a tuned Corvette." Yes, it's the same base, but definitely ain't the same model.
Lets not let them make the connection with the striker.
Where’d you get the grip? AR of AK?
The pistol grip came with it. It's a FAB defense AK grip. The angled grip I bought from Opticsplanet. It's a FAB defense multi point side folding grip.
Ok but damn the crap !!!
How much $$$ ???
The shotgun goes for about $2500-2600. Drum goes for $500-600. All the other crap is, give or take, another $500. Not a smart investment, but it's a sexy one 😁
@@EchoDelta2A kinda on the pricey side ain't it !!!
Been wondering how a Mac 10 version would go over with a foreword mag n closed bolt ...
This is the official gun of not knowing what a Vepr 12 is.
It's like saying, "why would you buy a Krebs AK when there's a perfectly good Century Arms AK for half the price?" The Vepr 12 is not on the same level.
@@EchoDelta2A except a Krebs ak doesn't limit the ammo you can run through it (origins can't even accept 3 inch shells). Also did you ever think to look up what the 3 gun community runs for shotguns? Hint: they ain't spending 3 grand on an origin 12.
@@toddwalraven3090 And why is that relevant exactly? 3 gun shooters use competition pistols with optics, huge mag wells, and all kinds of stuff hanging off of them. Does that make high end 1911s obsolete because Jerry Miculek doesn't use them in a timed gun run?
@@toddwalraven3090 Ultimately, I get your point. That you can buy a similar system for less is a nice statistic. You can say the same about virtually every gun and every platform out there.
Would 3in shells fit ?
Only 2 and 3/4" do, unfortunately.
I have fostech origin 12 and its not reliable in tactical scenerios its a failure IWI TS 12 has this beaten hands down its highly tactical reliable made for the actual battles in the desert chech it out
Just say its "Well Made" you said everything but what you should say.
It's well made. 😁
Why does it look Ak?
It's based on a Saiga-12
Damn that looks like crap! The barrel has a lot of wiggle, even seen in this video. 😒
2 minutes in. You say more Umms and Uhhhs that a child. Work on your presentation. It's painful to watch and listen to such uneducated chatter.
Fixed 😉