The CHEAPEST Semi-Auto Shotgun, Junk or Bargain?!
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2021
- Shooting one of the cheapest semi-auto 12ga shotguns you can buy, the RIA VR60. Is it junk or a good bargain? Let's find out!
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Even if it's a cheap weapon, as long as it works when needed, it's all you need.
Hell yes
It ain't even that cheap tho...
@@Pineapple-co6fe that’s what I’m saying a high point is cheap is 195 in my local pawn lol
Yes and no. From an engineering standpoint if there are cast parts in your gun then there would be a chance of breaking after excessive use. Excessive force and heat in weaker parts of the metal can get micro fractures that can get worse over time until breaking. I do not like cast parts in my guns, I replace them with machined steel when I can.
My Sig P320 had a cast trigger, and I didn't know until a piece of it literally broke off at the range under normal firing conditions. Gun had less than 100 rounds in it. Bought a flat faced trigger, then after they sent it back from the recall it had a different OEM trigger in it which I now like the most.
@@Pineapple-co6fe yup, I'd much rather put my trust in a mossberg 500
Moral of the story - The RIA really isn't cheap or a budget gun, it seems to be priced just right for what it does. A lot of other "Budget" shotguns perform just as well. Sucky magazines seem to be the most common problems, but not necessarily the actual gun components.
And for those truly cheap guns that are mechanically crappy (either via design flaws or poor manufacturing/materials), their reputations seem to spread quickly enough thanks to RUclips and other forums that people will hopefully avoid them.
So, considering its pretty well established performance, I don't consider the RIA a "Budget" or "Bargain" shotgun, I use it as a base as to what a functional AR style shotgun SHOULD cost.
Thus, I suspect that the considerably more expensive options, with almost identical performance, are often just way overpriced. Or, like any other product, perhaps bagging a premium price based solely on their name/brand/reputation of their other products. Eventually, you pass a point where you're paying for actual quality, and then you're just paying a lot of extra money for a logo. That's just my humble opinion after 35yrs of shooting though.
Either way, good video.
I do think RIA has cut some corners on some of their firearms and released them too early knowing it has design flaws such as their Bullpup. A lot of jamming issues.I do like my VR60 and you just have break it in. I think the VR80 barrel is too damn heavy, especially if you have to walk far in the woods on a hunt. I also hear from gunsmiths that they are a pain to fix as well.
Facts!
Its $449 MSRP it has a gas plug for the hot stuff. Its a gun that will go UP in value through the years mark my words
@@steve4910 did you double check the ring in your bullpup I had non stop ftf issues until I put the right one on then it became the shotgun I dreamed of. Mine is a different brand than yours but it could be a similar issue
Very well said.
You: Shoots a few mags from a semi auto shotgun...
Your shoulder: Dude I thought we were friends!
*Me: laughing off 200 rounds of buckshot*
Also Me: Ice Packet plz
Purchased mine on Black Friday for under $300. It came with two 5 round magazines, but also received four 9 round magazines as part of the sale. I was skeptical (too good to be true), but am very happy with my purchase. No failures…
Where was this sale at looking at buying one
@@josephlopossay6694 I purchased mine at Atwood’s while visiting family.
Thank you very much for the information I appreciate it! Sounds like a heck of a deal, are you happy with it?
@@josephlopossay6694 surprisingly, yes. It’s actually a good firearm.
Thank you very much I appreciate your time and advice
Praying that the ATF doesn’t ban braces so your wrist can heal properly! ;)
Hahaha
Lol
Lol!
AFT*
@@jeanlain9442 correct. Also after thinking about it, the wrist brace is probably fine. However if that wrist brace touches his shoulder or he needs a shoulder brace to fix his shoulder....run.
I picked up my Panzer Arms AR12 last year. Less than $300. Took it to a smith and he cleaned up all the rough marks. Now smooth as butter.
It comes with 3 different gas rings for low,medium and heavy shot to cycle properly. If you run the low power gas ring and fire heavy loads you WILL damage the bolt and receiver and that is NOT covered in the lifetime warranty. It's in their manual.
I own a VR60, and I love it! I removed the carry handle and front sight and put on a red dot... its perfect for the range. As a side note... there are different gas pistons to use with light loads like low brass bird shot, and heavy loads like buckshot and slugs. Might want to get the accessories from your friend if you shoot this gun again. Factory gives you a hard box that contains the 3 choke tubes, and the second gas piston.
I bought one of these when they first came out, and I loved it. I've since traded it for something else, but I felt the gun, in its entirety, was a great value and reliable.
RIA makes solid firearms. Especially when considering the price.
Great brand that nobody's heard of.
If you haven’t heard of rock island armory you live under a rock. Yeah this is a super shitty review of a nice gun
RIA doesn't make this gun. They import it. It's made by a no-name Turkish company.
They aren't known for their quality.
I think their like the equivalent as if high point decided to put just better materials on their guns,definitely more expensive than a high point but a hell of alot better made especially on handguns
I been looking at one of these or a citadel.
For the money and function it’s a good buy. I purchased one used for $350 bucks and other than a few malfunctions in between dozens of uses. It has worked great. Strongly recommend if your a budget shooter like me.
I bought this gun last year from Shoot Point Blank for like $400 and I have to say it is a pretty solid gun for not a lot of money. Ended up buying his twin brother so he wouldn't be lonely by himself in the RIA part of my wall. Had to buy the bigger 18rd mag and the pistol grip for the dual comfort, definitely hasn't given me any problems and hopefully anyone else picks this up has the same experience with it.
It also comes with a choke set, magazine round limiter for hunting laws, and a different "bushings" for different shot weights. Mine hasn't had any issues as long as you have the "bushing" for the right load. They sell a 9 round and an 18 round magazines too. I think its a great do it all shotgun for the price.
I came across a video that suggested smoothing out the rough edges at the top of the magazine. mine was have problems jamming, I slightly filed the edges of the mags and it made quite a difference; also run this gun wet (lot of gun oil) until it breaks in, worked for me.
I dont know if it's the same issue but a lot of semi autos have problems loading larger magazines I got one that loves the 5 round but ftf on the 10 round it's gotten better since I worked it in. Could be a few other things
Yes, the RIA shotguns (and a few other mag-fed shotties) come with TWO different gas pistons, for Light and Heavy loads. I don't think he knows this... RTFM!
He’s just hating on this model.
@@SuperMatrix59 "Overall I had fun with it, it's a pretty cool gun." Yep. Totally hating on it. Or maybe you just didn't watch the video.
1shot: "shot guns and watermelons are always a good combination"
The watermelon: "oh no not again"
2 watermelons and a shotgun arguing on who's gonna be the target.
There's an inside joke in there somewhere...
😉
It’s always great to see other Left handed shooters!!!! This does look pretty badass! It will be a good companion for my KelTec KS7
Great video. My wife bought me one for my birthday. I've had the bolt locked back in the rear position for a month so it will cycle low brass fine. I put a SIG red dot on it as well as a angle foregrip and mbus flip up sights. Love this gun!!
Hell yes. I love getting notifications that you uploaded. I always feel like I am watching the "golden age" old school Demolition Ranch videos when I watch your content! Keep up the great work. :)
You mean the non-narcissistic conceited and self aggrandizing type? yeah.
I loved the shells flying across the frame with those slo-mo watermelon shots. Nice touch.
So agreed.... 😃🤣🙃🤣😄
Yeah. I saw that. It was like each shell was saying, “I did that. Here, let me get in the frame for you.”
I’ve got a couple of Firearms from Rock Island, and for the price range pretty satisfied with the quality.
I love my VR60! Had it for years now and not one malfunction, shooting the cheapest of cheap 8 shot to expensive to slugs. Great gun, great price, loads of fun.
Same here, never had an issue, I only shoot high brass and have the gas plug for the hot stuff. I also handle and jack the bolt reciever over and over before I even shoot to break it in, works with pistols and any semi auto gun, not 1 malfunction!!
Good video. I was thinking about getting one and after watching this video and seeing how much fun you had I think I'm definitely getting one now. .. my daughter agrees we are getting one. .
Have one love it they do have a brakin time
The VR-60 is good, most folks say the newer VR-80 is better. Take a look at both, if you can find them!
Get it! Sure to be pleased.
Man about to hit that 75k subs!
Let's keep this train rollin', boys and girls.
Be at that 100k in NO TIME.
That quality content got ya blowin' up!
You go Green Lantern!!!
RIA / Armscor makes a good product and absolutely stands behind it. Here's a tip: use roll crimp shells for optimum reliability in a mag-fed shotgun. Roll crimp shells are more uniform and more resistant to deforming.
I crimp finish my fold crimps with Gaep or OMV and sometimes the hornady 366 bevel crimp to put a round edge on the shells for pump or semi auto loaders. I roll crimp some too. Trimming down the hull to roll crimp helps ejection of the shell specially with Max payload and powder charge shells that may stretch the hull a bit more if fold crimped. Had that issue with a couple 1187s
I don’t know about this shotgun, but, I bought a great regular looking shotgun, Hatfield, a 20 gauge, from WalMart for $199.00 a few years back, seems to be a good gun after breaking in. Good feeling, not too kicking, a good buy in my opinion. This is a good R.I.A. Shotgun, good price, and a great vlog, thanks for posting and sharing with us.
I noticed the shells have to be carefully loaded in the mags or you get stove pipes and failures to feed. It might stack in the mag but it wouldn't catch the feed lip properly. Also you can increase reliability with newer ones by compressing the the spring for a couple of days with the bolt locked back. Or shoot a few hundred rounds to break it in.
I have the VR80 and love it. It comes with two gas pistons to match the load you are shooting. There is definitely a break in period but after that it has ran like a sewing machine.
Same! I tend to only run the high brass for it and keep any low brass with my KSG. I'm pretty sure the VR60 has the same choke setup as the 80 so I'm wondering which one was in for this video and if he had followed the manuals instructions on the break in
I have the vr60. After about 50 rounds, haven't had a single issue since
How much did it cost u?
@@royjaber571 current msrp is $699 so it will really depend on your location of purchase which side of that you are on.
@@alexsparks5596 oh okay it's not that cheap tho
i have one of these and have put about 800 rounds ranging from target load to 00 buck. i have had one failure to feed that was my fault, i didn’t realize i put low recoil 00 and it didnt have the power it needed. ive done minimal cleaning and have never changed the gas bushing for the heavier one and it runs like a champ. for the like $400 i paid for it this thing is awesome and would recommend it to anyone.
I've been looking at this gun and a few others. For the price I think it's my best option. Thanks for the advice
Guaranteed for life, even to any other owners. $400 in 2019 in Maryland . Shoots anything, even 3" magnums. Better fun with their 9 or 19 round magazines
I actually own one. My wife got it for me for birthday Xmas combo. I love it. Stock sights still in use haven't changed a damn thing on it. Bought xtra mags including 2 9 rnd mags. Great gun!!!!
I have a JTS AK-12 12 Gauge Semiautomatic. I love it! Paid $459.99 for it 4 years ago at Academy Sports. Love the weapon! And it's adjustable gas know to let it cycle different ammo power. I'll get their AR-12 next. It is a bit more. Like $599.99. But it has been 4 years. You could do a video on it or both. I may soon.
I just pick one of these up 2 weeks ago and I love I haven't put any accessories on it yet but I have ran almost 50 rounds through it a birdshot and have had absolutely no problems except for one stove pipe
I run the RIA VR 80 12 ga. Been great firearm, especially for hunting. Never had a jam with 5 or 9 rd mags. Runs everything I put into it, but the ability to switch the gas piston to low or high brass shells as needed, making it a very versatile firearm.
Your buddy is gonna be mad that you're talking about his "junky stuff".
I don't think bad guys ever take the time to critique what they're about to be wasted with. Nor have they stood there and laughed as your "cheap gun" pointed at them.
"is that a 32?" "it's pink"
i would f
I know someone that fired a warning shot with a .22 LR. The people he was trying to get to leave said,”that’s just a pop gun and came to his house.
@@aaronjay4896 A pop gun that can easily put 40 grains of lead 12 inches or more inside your body. It's a stupid mistake to underestimate the .22LR. Is it the best for self defence? Of course not but so many people see it as almost a joke of a round and it is far from a joke that's for sure.
I also don't think that "bad guys" that use guns for crime watch a lot of RUclips videos or follow gun forums to find out if their chosen weapon is well-liked.
I bought mine years ago around the time they first came out for less than $350 brand new. Now I'm seeing them for 8 to $900 and the msrp really hasn't changed much if you look them up. I love mine and haven't had any issues. Only issue I've had is with the 19 round mags, they seem to have a catch about half way so the round does make it to the top fast enough. But, take the bottom half off and make it a 9 round and it works perfect. I'm a big Rock Island fan. I own several of their 1911's from 22 mag to 45, and I also have the M5 pump 12 gauge. People consider them budget, but honestly they're extremely reliable and are made with good parts. I've not had an issue out of any of my Rock Island gun's, not even the 22 mag which I read horrible reviews about. In my opinion why pay an excessive amount of money for a gun (or anything for that matter) when you can get something just as good and sturdy for less.
in my state they are still around 350, i dont see anyone selling them for 800 lol
I have a VR60 and love it. When you first buy it, it has a break-in process using heavy long brass shells to break in the spring which is a heavy spring and requires it to be softened with this break-in period OR you can leave the bolt locked back compressing the spring for a few weeks and softened the spring up that way. The VR60 also has different load type pistons to use depending on which ammo you use from heavy to light. Once you do the break-in process and know your gun on how to run it with the different ammo pistons, this shotgun is awesome and runs flawlessly, I have had no issues with it. It also comes with 3 different barrel chokes, cylinder, modified and full choke. It also has rails on it for excessories, I installed a tactical flashlight and handle on bottom, a sling and thats it. I would recommend this shotgun to anyone for use with home defense, target practices and even hunting. It's a nice shotgun.
That spring has memory. Leaving the bolt locked back does nothing. Thats like saying if you leave bullets in your mag you weaken the spring. Just dosent happen bud.
@@mtbasshead not true bud. A spring is a spring and they all get softer or weaker when constantly compressed. Just like a cars spring and is why the are replaced over time. Springs break all the time by being fatigue with use over time. But there are many variables on what makes a spring weaker from how many times it is used, compressed to temperature fluctuations and more .
Yes and keeping spring steel sprung WONT weaken it. I have thousands of rounds through my pistols AND rifles..... Aint replace a single spring. And I shoot every day. GAURENTEEE i have more that 10k through my Springfield. And they dont get "softer" they get brittle bud. Bid difference.
@@tysoncurrie7745 But I AM GLAD that you brought up car springs because 99.999% of those DONT go bad. If your mechanic has you replacing your springs all the time.... hes got ya by the balls dude. Your welcome
@@mtbasshead springs do settle from their initial manufacture date when being used from cars to weapons and that is a fact and it doesn't mean they don't still work effectively on certain guns when broke in. Ask the many others out there who have thousands of rounds through their guns and have bad mags do to a spring issue being to weak and not loading properly, I guess thats a myth to right. You are wrong springs weaken and get fatigue over the years, use and time. Do some research bud.
I think it's well worth the money, I absolutely love mine!
It came with two 5 round box mags, and I picked up a dozen eleven round, and a couple, of 19 round sticks for it cause Murica!
I love this shotgun.i use every thing from bird shot to slugs. Slugs being my favorite to target with. But you have to change the gas ring between low power to high power loads.
The VR60 is an awesome AR12 platform for the price. Absolutely love mine. Runs pretty much anything I've fed it so far.
As others have stated, use the right piston for the right loaf. I've shot hundreds of rounds through mine and only had one failure and that was in the first box of shells. As a side note, I have four 5 shot, four 9 shot and one 19 round magazine. Load them all up and go to an indoor range and run all of them through as fast as you can. The reaction from people is fun to watch.
If you don’t mind me asking what do you typically shoot out of yours?
@@zacharythomas1524 I shoot slugs, flite control 00 buck or occasionally a few frangible rounds. I have all of those in my stash. When the ammunition shortage started, I found a place where I could buy 5 round boxes of 00 buck or slugs for $5.95 a box of five. After watching Tao Fledermaus shoot frangible rounds, I found a place that was getting rid of all of their stock for a couple of dollars a box, so I bought 15 boxes. They make a pretty good home defense round.
@@zacharythomas1524 banana bread.
@@xjcrossx see that’s what I was worried about. I’ve been using just regular bread and it’s been jamming a lot. I shouldn’t have used the Welch’s grape jelly though to clean the gun.
Just stay away from the 7 grain bread, too light. Go with the 12 Grain, or go home.@@zacharythomas1524
it's great that there are fun options out there that won't break the bank. They get some people in the door. if they don't like it, they didn't lose much money and if they do like it they can upgrade to a Benelli
That’s not true. Mine cycles every type of load from the cheapest lowest powered target loads to the hottest buckshot loads. Bolt always locks back on last round also. Secret is to alway put away with the bolt locked open for first 2 or 3 months you have it. Will break in recoil spring and fix all cycling issues.
My friend just shortened his spring with a wire cutter...
Now when t breaks in it’ll have FTF issues because the bolt will be going too fast effectively creating the same problem as before. Should’ve just worked the spring a bunch… lord have mercy.
I haven’t had any issues with mine lol mine shit perfect from the very 1st round. Have yet to have a malfunction and have shit like 700 rounds so far and also runs any shell i put in it
It definitely covers all of the basics...Thanx
Totally awesome video. Thanks!
Dude I want some of those homemade rounds. That looked fun.
The VR60 comes with 3 chokes and an extra gas ring for high powered loads. If you are running slugs and heavy shot, swap out the gas ring and install the one made for those loads. You can also get 9 and even 19 round mags for it.
I have the VR60 and been looking for a larger mag but not finding it. So Merle share the source(s) of these large capacity mags for us who do not live in CA.
@@wetwriterrr www.advancedtactical.com is Armscor's retail website. They have the mags listed as being in stock as of 0745 on 5/23/21. The 5 round is $25.99, the 9 round is $29.99 and the 19 round is $59.99 plus tax\shipping. The mags fit all of the VR Series, so if you have any of the other 3 models, you can share.
@@merlemerrill6541 thank you so much. That 19 round mag will be perfect for SHTF days.
@@merlemerrill6541 The only place for these magazines is AMSCORE. The other leads are dead-ends. Thanks, my order is in but please don't tell my wife because I already told her, "Oh those, I bought a year ago." LOL
@@wetwriterrr Good Luck!!!
Love my vr60... got it for $398 brand new out the box.. also have 5 - 19rnd mags.. a couple 9rnd and 5rnd mags as well... runs awesome for me...
Upon disassembly of my Turkish made semi auto shotgun, there were tons of improperly finished metal and plastic bits in the upper and lower receivers as well as the bolt mechanism. Even the feed ramp had very pronounced burring. Once I sanded and polished all those bits down the gun functions so much more smoothly and reliably. I highly recommend anyone with one of these take them apart and fix the loose ends.
This gun isn't made in Turkey, my Kanik is and it's a great pistol
RIA is made in the Philippines.
@@jamespiattsr7758 yep, that's what it says on the pistols lol
@@miketyson8933 this isn't a pistol, genius. These are made in turkey
@@jamespiattsr7758 These are made in turkey, genius
Do your friend a favor and tell him his optic broke lol
Agreed I 2nd this hes not your friend if u don't recommend another optic to him
The for-grip works much better if you use it properly. I’ve got one of those SDS Saiga knock offs, first thing I did was alter the rail system and add a for-grip. For-grip made it more comfortable for me. It’s a smooth bore so not very accurate at range but in home defense if you miss with a shot gun you have other things to worry about!
It's spelled, "Fore-Grip".
Isnt that "foregrip" actually a monopod? Lol
At least half of everyone I've ever seen shoot a firearm with a fore grip , shoot them just like that .
I have the Leader Arms AR-12. I've heard a lot of bad things about it, especially when running 2 3/4" shells. When I bought mine, 2 3/4", 00 buck was all they had in 12 gauge so, that's all I've run through it. I've run nearly 1000 rounds with no issues.
Thanks for the video and info. Looks like this is going to be my next purchase.
Word has it that once the recoil spring breaks in, lighter loads will cycle more reliably. I haven't tried my VR-60 yet, it's still new in the box. It's been disassembled, cleaned and lubricated.
Every new gun I get I always handle them and break them in before I even shoot a round through it and it does the break in before I even fire a shot! Never had any issues, EVER!!!
@@miketyson8933 You may be able to wear in the recoil spring, but breaking in a rifled barrel required shooting.
Ive had mine for a couple years and I like it. The only issues I have with it are the rails and the fact that I have to swap the buffer for different rounds. Mine came with one buffer for 2 3/4 shells and one for 3" shells and 4 different chokes. I really wish the rails didnt flex so much.
Use the one in the back that one won't
Great video man!!!
You can configure with the little cylinders that comes with the gun for the gas system for any type of round. The first rounds I ran were 19 rounds of 00 buck . 2 misfeeds then ran a bunch of 5 rounders with zero malfunctions
I have a VR 60 and love it! It comes with these 2 steel donut type things ,one is for low power ammo and the other is for high power ammo! This shotgun and the VR80 are 2 of the best shotguns you will find at any price! I have been trying to get the VR 80 but everybody’s sold out and the price has gone up considerably! I have 3 5 round mags and 2 9 round mags and you can also get a 19 round mag too! These are great shotguns ,I put a limb saver on mine and it has the recoil of a 20 gauge! A limb saver is a must on a 12 gauge .I have Winchester shotguns and mossburgs and others and all of them perform flawlessly! I paid 420 for my VR60 and I considered that a steal ! The vr60 is a very well made AR style shotgun and if you get one you won’t be sorry! I also like the panzers and the typhoons!😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Which limbsaver model fits the vr60?
the vr60 comes with 2 gas rings, one for heavy loads and one for light loads. im surprised it didnt mess up more without changing out the rings.
Once you break them in they are awesome fun guns to have. A lot of people judge them too quickly because when you first bring it home it won't cycle anything but high-powered expensive ammo. But after 250+ shells mine runs cheap target ammo
It comes with 3 different chokes and 2 different bushings one is for light loads other is for heavy loads chokes are interchangeable with beneli chokes i recommend getting the 19 round magazine it makes it much more fun for target practice
One of my friends has one he calls it his Zerg blaster because it kind of looks like some weird space marine heavy hitting rifle like out of something like Starcraft... I'm thinking of getting one to because its kind of growing on me...
Sorry about your wrist “ just put a thumb in it “👍
Kentucky ballistics
I have one and it is fantastic. If you buy one brand new, you need to pull the bolt back and leave it in the corner for about a week to a week and a half and you will have 99% less problems feeding and dont have to use cannon shell to make it work.
I have an RIA semi auto with a tube feed mag and traditional stock.
I liked it enough that I got a second one.
The gas operating system takes the shock out of recoil.
Now that this weapon is available, I might have to get one just because the bad guys might have one.
They're probably a better home defense gun than a .556 AR
Neat, looks like I might have to pick one up for that price range
Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina
Rock Island products have usually held up well from my limited experience! I typically shoot 3" Magnum BB. I like the affect of the round and fire it from a Mossberg 930 Autoloader.
Good review and quick too. Hit the highs and lows and what you think could be some issues while shooting. I have been looking at a new 12 gauge and this one was on my radar.
Rock island has a kit that comes with the gun, you swap plugs in gas system for different rounds, best guess is you buddy has the low gas plug in, hence the over gassing
You got that right, also says it needs to be broke in. I haven't had any problems with my VR80
@@girthbrooks5078 i had break in on mags, got used so no clue on gun
@@leerethamel3204 got mine new and manual said to use 2 3/4" 3 dram 1 1/8 oz. Shot size 7 1/2. Said needed 250 rounds to break it in. I only had one malfunction too whole 250.
Killing watermelons....."And that's how you get ants, mother".... Looks like a cool shotgun, at least it ran good. So many horror vids of other AR type shotguns not running well. So far for me this one is the best, Thanks!
I found the 5 round factory mags were a reliability problem as you ran into when it did not feed. Replaced them with after market 10 rounds (forget brand at moment) and then it works perfectly ever since.
I ended up buying the Citadel Boss 25 12 gauge, and it was $499, mine seems to cycle birdshot better than buckshot and slugs so far. Need to finish breaking it in, and put more rounds through it. I was happy with the citadel though, quite a bit lighter than the Rock Island. Mine seems to have the same issue outrunning the magazine on high power loads
You’re really putting your friend out there saying he’s buying all cheap stuff 😂😂😂
Looks ok but I've had lots of semi auto shotguns , the only ones that I trust are old heavily worn Browning auto 5 etc . The more worn the better !
I have shot this RIA shotgun (own it and still shoot it) and I have shot the armelegant blp-m12(just bought it) and both are relatively inexpensive. The blood-m12 I got with a tactical for grip was around 600. I personally love both of these guns I have put many rounds through both.
Bought a similar "Silver Eagle" model for $400. It shoots 3in magnum all the way down to 2 3/4 target loads no problem. The magnums don't hold open last round, I thought it's because it's overgassed but it makes more sense that it's outrunning the mag spring.
My thoughts are why is it when a gun, no matter the brand, is considered low end but performs well its always compared to a gun three times the price? What exactly will the more expensive gun do, this one didn't? Cost more? I mean this one cycled fine all except the one misfeed. And does it really matter that the charging handle didn't always lock back? That could be due to the casings or that it hasn't been broken in yet. It didn't blow up in your face, so that's a plus right?
Usually breaks sooner and doesn't handle being dropped as well, QA is lower so chance of a lemon is higher
Better reliability and lifespan...
yeah. A good comparison would be a single tier up, known reliable semi-auto shotgun. Think Mossberg 930 SPX, costs a few hundred more but is known to be a good example of a midbudget tactical semi-auto shotgun. That is what people are gonna be actually looking at as competition when considering the VR60, probably along with the less expensive Mossberg 930s.
Most of these cheap Turkish shotguns are just clones of other, more established systems. So, in theory, they should be mostly fine, but Rock Island Armory isn't going to have the same quality control that Izhmash or whoever will have making the real deal.
When you look into threads on these, you'll see some guys saying that theirs have never misfed and they have like a trillion rounds through them and they run like a sewing machine. Then you'll see a bunch of other guys who will say they can't get through a full magazine, immediate parts failures, bad customer service etc.
If you buy a $1,500 M4, you're getting a good gun that you know is going to work out of the box. With these cheap guns, however, it's a gamble. You could get something that works awesome, or you could get a lemon so bad you might as well have set $600 on fire.
On top of that, a lot of these guns are out-of-spec to what they're cloning, so you may or may not be able to use high quality aftermarket parts if something breaks or needs improvement.
You're also lacking refinement. Go to your local gun shop and handle one of these. Try holding the gun and dry firing it. You'll notice quickly that they have a not-great trigger, and the furniture feels toy quality.
Now, I know a lot of people run these sorts of things in open division 3 gun and have a lot of luck. I'm not knocking them. They are cool guns and they can be really useful, but you get what you pay for.
if you're trying to defend yourself against a home intruder I would guess you don't want your shotgun locking up and not reloading.
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Haha!!! Thank you I appreciate it
Dude, Old is throwing your back out blowing your nose. Ask me how I know.
You don't take yourself too seriously, that's what I like this. channel
I run a couple of those guns. Factory loads and my custom hand loads. You have to keep them lubed well. I use Vaseline on the o ring and the run ammo very well no matter if it’s high power or low power ammo. I ordered a rifled choke tube and shoot steel core socket slugs threw them loaded to max load data. The factory chokes actually do well with shot. I was impressed at the patterns threw the shorter barrel. I figured I use them to hunt with.
Damn !
The 18 round banana mag, doubles the value and entertainment of this firearm.
I have had one for few years now it has always been very reliable and cycles almost everything without a problem
Great job!
I have one and it eats everything I throw at it I was totally impressed. One thing I can say when you load it up will double 00Buck and the nine round magazines I sure wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of it. It’s devastating. Definitely my home defense gun as fast as you pull the trigger she will fire all my friends that I showed it to and shot it had a big smile on their face that’s for sure.
It's amazing how uncomfortable I get watching people shoot left handed. It's like a full blown physical reaction to it.
Nope.. Me too!
I get a full on WTH brain melt watching it!
Good job he's not right eye dominant too...?
Guessing you're a RH shooter then?
I watched this video and was like " something's off here"... then i realized he was a lefty. So am I, so it was weird seeing someone shoot the gun from the correct side. =P
Im a lefty and it breaks my brain watching others shoot left handed :)
I shoot left handed and will shoot the nuts off a chipmunk 🐿 lol 😝
Just imagine how us lefties feel in a right hand world. I have had to teach myself to shoot right handed unless I want a 20% markup on all my firearms for conversion kits or special orders.
I have the VR80 and absolutely love this shotgun. I bought some 19 shell magazines online (much cheaper than gun stores) and have a blast!
I picked up my ar-12 yesterday manufactured by armelegant and looks similar to this!! Mines a little better spruced up with an adjustable cheek pad, rails for days for optics and accessories and my was on sale for $300 on classic firearms!!
"Perfect self defense load" oops, was I not supposed to have 00 in my bedside 12?
i guess he thinks #4 will be better, more pellets, more carnage, more likely to hit the target. You dont need a 00 ball to take someone out. Shit bird shot is a good home defense round it doesnt overpenatrate. 00 buck could overpenatrate and kill an innocent person.
@@ryanmalin ehh I wouldn't trust a can of spit to bird shot my uncle went on a call of a guy who found his wife cheating on him in his bed he grabbed his shotgun and both caught birdshot to the face point blank but lived
@@justvibing8030 DAMN!!! all those hot lil pellets charring your skin slow...😟😟😟
@@ryanbrown938 yeah its a decent home defense round. Could be a 380 or some other bullshit that's really useless
@@ryanmalin .25 ACP...🤣🤣🤣🤣
But seriously, it's better than nothing...
To be honest, I wouldn't want to be shot by ANY round
Someone needs to discuss the lack of an adjustable stock
Glad to see a lefty shooting this, I found out the hard way that not all shells eject away from a lefty’s face or neck.
I had a rock island 1911 for awhile. It was decent. For the price I have no complaints. This is a cool looking piece.
Now... let’s tak about that mile long stock. What if I’m looking for a nice short 12” length of pull? Can I get a stock for that system shorter than factory 1/4 mile lop?
Go look somewhere else.
“Rock Island”
Wait, I’ve heard that name before but where?
“I’m back at the Rock Island auction house”
Oh yes. They are in fact a gun maker out in the Philippines and it seems like they really do make some pretty decent products.
@@Stigstigster I didn’t know that, I was referring to forgotten weapons
I have one of those vr 60 shotguns and i love it.
I like it in the slowmo of the watermelon shots where you see the shell fly through the camera shot! Nice video
Nice video
Thank you
This is why braces were made, so you can shot still if your wrist is sore or injured from too much target 🎯 shooting. So ATF they do have a legit job to do.
Great vid
I have one and love it. Mine came with 2 gas blocks, 1 for light loads and 1 for mag loads. That might be your problem.