Nick - reference prep for a storm video, good info but one question. Would / should you lock helm? I get all the lines but when video shows wind blowing I see rudders moving pretty good. Just curious if it is wise to secure rudders from moving? Thanks!
@@scottbeare2323 great question! Abs yes absolutely secure the helms. lol.. I did secure them! The waves were so strong it was pushing them despite the locks being hard on! I had to keep resecuring them.
Every video is absolutely amazing! The way of explaining, the best "teacher" ever! Thank you for your job, thank you for inspiration you are giving to us.. and for feeling more safe when we rent a boat. I watched about 7-9 videos from you and learnt already so much! 💙🌊🙏🏼👌🏼
Perfect, I like the idea of midship cleat springlines, but in marina full of boats that would be not possible. In that case I probably would add X shaped springlines from stern cleats to berth.
Yep that is a good approach. It is a tough setup on many charter/production boats no as the cleats are not set in a good place for the x shape cross spring. The line pulls at the pushput or rear stays. Sometimes the winches are in an ok place for this.
A few years ago chartered a boat in Sicily and had a night where we were expecting storms. Noticed that one of the rear cleats had a lot of movement that it should not have had so ended up setting up a back up to the main winch to share the load. Was glad we took the time thinking about any snatch loads when the wind hit! A great approach - thanks for sharing
Great question. In this case. That is really hard to deal with. And to be honest. If I knew something like this was coming and I was packed in with other yachts. I would leave! Not the place to be in, there would be some serious stresses and possible damage.
Great piece of information, very useful. Two comments if you would allow me: 1. Can the main sail be further tucked into the mast? 2. Keeping the bimini on is a bit of a risk in case the storm gets stronger? Many thanks...
It could have been I guess, I had already wound it in further than normal, very little windage from that patch. For sure if I thought the wind would have reached over 50's sustained I would have packed down the bimini and sprayhood completely. As it was the heaviest wind (40-50kn) only lasted 40minutes or so. But as precaution you could of course do this.
Thanks mate. Yes in this case I effectively was just going to stay up until the conditions passed! Which I did. For sure in a long night I would be setting a watch. Someone needs to be on hand fast if a line breaks or something else arrises.
Depends really how close, and where the strength is. Who is the bigger yacht etc. With a beam on wind like this likely bow to bow. At one point though I did not film it, the yacht to leeward of me was getting really close to shore, needed to pull in more mooring line at the bow, did not have the power to combat the wind. So We held them with a line from our bow while the motored against stern lines, came our further and tightened up.
Can you put a date / month in the description. RUclips just says X months ago. Is this typical weather for all summer. Know that might sound a daft question. Sailing in the area early June.
Not a daft question at all. This is not typical for Croatia. This was a severe system that hit. Was the 5th August 2023. These come along maybe once in 2 months, some this severe. Some less. Depending on the area and situation. We saw I think two of this sort of storm roll through last season.
I was surprised to see power connected throughout the storm - any risk of it dropping into water and/or lightning hitting the boat while it is connected? Although I assume there some sort of grounding…?
I just decided to leave it on as I set them up well with good slack and buffer. And we wanted power! When the main lightning was overhead I disconnect the boat end in case of spike. There is grounding down through the mast, cabled to the keel bolts to disperse down the keel and into the water. Doe not always work though!
Sure is, and that is we do not have them! This is.a charter yacht, and those options are not something supplied by any charter companies I know of. Would have been nice to have a spring to buffer the windward stern line this night.
Did you consider Prvić Luka as an alternative? I would think that was more protected against both the south (as you are inside the harbour wall) and the north west (due to the hills).
We certainly did! Though for an overall comfort we arrived at 2pm and at that time 30knots SE was blowing with a good wave to Prvić would have been a bit soupy, even behind the wall. Would have feared much better for the storm front though!
As always: a great video from you guys! But the content of this one should be 'textbook stuff' for yacht owners or people (like us) who charter a boat in Greece or Croatia.
Yes and, at the same time, people have done courses, passed exams, gone through the process of this and have the 'knowledge'. Having real world experience of it is another thing. Some sailors, very capable, will go through years of charters without experiencing such conditions, through no fault of their own.
Another commented on this as well. The helm was actually locked as usual, both sides. That shot of the helm spinning was due to a very strong wave and bounce combination that spun in despite the locks being tensioned on! You see when it stops spinning it stops completely instead of slowing down.
No it is not. This is why I chose this place/dock, due to the Friday night and most charter yachts being back at base. If we had boats right next to us, I would have changed locations or anchored in order to have space.
Great video on boat prep for a storm, we visited Zarin in May having travelled down from Puila in the week that Italy was being beaten up by storms, which also hit us while in Unije and again near Murter, as you point out understanding how the wind will impact the boat is important so you can plan how to deploy your dock lines. When caught with boats alongside in the past we have deployed lines between the boats at bow and stern, as well as to the shore, with additional bow and centre lines to the dock from the outside boats, using these to try to maintain some distance between each boat and secure the raft as a whole, it is not always possible to have a space each side. Here in the UK we have had a horrible storm, and there is a great video of a boat being rescued in Brixham Harbour on Saturday, the pontoon had broken free with the boat still attached ruclips.net/video/M5kB3vXhP4U/видео.html
Wow I just watched the video. Not all heroes wear capes! Yes securing together like that, bow to bow for some support can help to as long as the waves are no too big. Reality is if I have of been right next to boats here I would not have stayed. I knew it was coming and would have gone to another harbour or bay where I had space to secure. Thanks for watching :) Keep the comments coming!
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Once again proving that preparation is key! Thanks for sharing!
Most welcome mate. And yes, preparation always, does not matter if the wind does not come in the end! important part is to be ready if it does.
Nick - reference prep for a storm video, good info but one question. Would / should you lock helm? I get all the lines but when video shows wind blowing I see rudders moving pretty good. Just curious if it is wise to secure rudders from moving? Thanks!
@@scottbeare2323 great question! Abs yes absolutely secure the helms. lol.. I did secure them! The waves were so strong it was pushing them despite the locks being hard on! I had to keep resecuring them.
Every video is absolutely amazing! The way of explaining, the best "teacher" ever! Thank you for your job, thank you for inspiration you are giving to us.. and for feeling more safe when we rent a boat. I watched about 7-9 videos from you and learnt already so much! 💙🌊🙏🏼👌🏼
Perfect, I like the idea of midship cleat springlines, but in marina full of boats that would be not possible. In that case I probably would add X shaped springlines from stern cleats to berth.
Yep that is a good approach. It is a tough setup on many charter/production boats no as the cleats are not set in a good place for the x shape cross spring. The line pulls at the pushput or rear stays. Sometimes the winches are in an ok place for this.
A few years ago chartered a boat in Sicily and had a night where we were expecting storms. Noticed that one of the rear cleats had a lot of movement that it should not have had so ended up setting up a back up to the main winch to share the load. Was glad we took the time thinking about any snatch loads when the wind hit! A great approach - thanks for sharing
Often the winches are the best option for that. Well done on the preparation!
@@45DegreesSailing It worked well. One to keep in my bag of tricks
This week I am going on my rookie boating in Croatia.. Hope I've learned good enough your tips 😁
That's great! Have a great time, say hello if you see us out :)
@@45DegreesSailing I'll call you if need assist 😁
Wow. The video is just so amazing. All those details and tips... Great YT channel. Thank you Nick.
Thanks mate. Thanks for the support! Keep up the comments
Thanks for the insight. We cannot have su shine everyday.
Most welcome. And indeed! I do love the rain and the storms!
Excellent set up ! Another great video. Thanks. 😊
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Excellent video!
Absolutely fantastic advice video!!🎉
Cheers @DangerDan Glad it was helpful!
Great work, thanks. What happens if your next to other boats and can't put the lines out at such big angles?
Great question. In this case. That is really hard to deal with. And to be honest. If I knew something like this was coming and I was packed in with other yachts. I would leave! Not the place to be in, there would be some serious stresses and possible damage.
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Very useful video and the way you explain the hows and whys is spot on!
You're welcome. I am glad you found it useful.
Really useful, many thanks.
Most welcome. What part/tip stood out most for you?
Good evening 😊
Indeed!
Token comment as I am trying to understand if this was during the premiere!
Yes I watch the premier!!!
Great piece of information, very useful. Two comments if you would allow me: 1. Can the main sail be further tucked into the mast? 2. Keeping the bimini on is a bit of a risk in case the storm gets stronger? Many thanks...
It could have been I guess, I had already wound it in further than normal, very little windage from that patch. For sure if I thought the wind would have reached over 50's sustained I would have packed down the bimini and sprayhood completely. As it was the heaviest wind (40-50kn) only lasted 40minutes or so. But as precaution you could of course do this.
Very good explanation of the prep. One last question, do plan for a night watch
Thanks mate. Yes in this case I effectively was just going to stay up until the conditions passed! Which I did. For sure in a long night I would be setting a watch. Someone needs to be on hand fast if a line breaks or something else arrises.
Excellent and very rarely done
Thanks Peter
Very helpful! ty!
You are most welcome!
If you are close to other boats, would make a X lines with their bowcleat to midship cleat and vv? Or bow to bow, mid to mid?
Depends really how close, and where the strength is. Who is the bigger yacht etc. With a beam on wind like this likely bow to bow. At one point though I did not film it, the yacht to leeward of me was getting really close to shore, needed to pull in more mooring line at the bow, did not have the power to combat the wind. So We held them with a line from our bow while the motored against stern lines, came our further and tightened up.
Can you put a date / month in the description. RUclips just says X months ago.
Is this typical weather for all summer. Know that might sound a daft question.
Sailing in the area early June.
Not a daft question at all. This is not typical for Croatia. This was a severe system that hit. Was the 5th August 2023. These come along maybe once in 2 months, some this severe. Some less. Depending on the area and situation. We saw I think two of this sort of storm roll through last season.
I was surprised to see power connected throughout the storm - any risk of it dropping into water and/or lightning hitting the boat while it is connected? Although I assume there some sort of grounding…?
I just decided to leave it on as I set them up well with good slack and buffer. And we wanted power! When the main lightning was overhead I disconnect the boat end in case of spike.
There is grounding down through the mast, cabled to the keel bolts to disperse down the keel and into the water. Doe not always work though!
Do you recommend suitable dock springs to save the rear cleats and fibre glass micro cracks?
Did you give some of your neighbors a heads up? What was their reaction? Great video as always!
Yes I chatted to a few, response ranged from 'thank you very much' to 'I know what I'm doing'. No one likes a know it all!
Helped a few of them when the wind hit and s*** hit the fan with their setup.
Great video as always! Did you use your usual 0800 pattern on the cleats on the yacht or something different for extra security for a storm like this?
Lol, 0800 all the way. that was it. Held perfectly 😌
Thanks, very interesting. Is there a reason not to use shock absorbers / mooring compensators / snubbers on your lines?
Sure is, and that is we do not have them! This is.a charter yacht, and those options are not something supplied by any charter companies I know of. Would have been nice to have a spring to buffer the windward stern line this night.
Did you intentionally dont lock the steeringwheels? If so, whats your thoughts on that. Thank you, great video by the way. Regards Sascha
I am all about locking the helms! And they were locked, just that wave force came through so strong it shift the helm anyway!
Did you consider Prvić Luka as an alternative? I would think that was more protected against both the south (as you are inside the harbour wall) and the north west (due to the hills).
We certainly did! Though for an overall comfort we arrived at 2pm and at that time 30knots SE was blowing with a good wave to Prvić would have been a bit soupy, even behind the wall. Would have feared much better for the storm front though!
As always: a great video from you guys! But the content of this one should be 'textbook stuff' for yacht owners or people (like us) who charter a boat in Greece or Croatia.
Yes and, at the same time, people have done courses, passed exams, gone through the process of this and have the 'knowledge'. Having real world experience of it is another thing. Some sailors, very capable, will go through years of charters without experiencing such conditions, through no fault of their own.
@@45DegreesSailing You are right! With nearly 60 yrs sailing experience, I only had this sort of wind in June 1998 in Vlieland (The Netherlands)
Is it standard for you to not lock the rudder? (wheels suddenly turning until they hit the maximum angle in your vid)
Yes replied to this a few times! Standard to lock, and they were locked! See other response to Blair
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I noticed the helm was not secured like usual. Was this because of the incoming weather or is it a Nutka nuance?
Another commented on this as well. The helm was actually locked as usual, both sides. That shot of the helm spinning was due to a very strong wave and bounce combination that spun in despite the locks being tensioned on!
You see when it stops spinning it stops completely instead of slowing down.
Is it possible to laid down all those additional ropes if neighbors are on both sides?
No it is not. This is why I chose this place/dock, due to the Friday night and most charter yachts being back at base. If we had boats right next to us, I would have changed locations or anchored in order to have space.
What about your anchor ?
What do you mean? We were moored with lazy lines/mooring lines off the bow.
Should steering be locked or unlocked?
I like to lock the steering. And these waves were so strong coming through that it pushed the rudders to full lock anyway!
Great video on boat prep for a storm, we visited Zarin in May having travelled down from Puila in the week that Italy was being beaten up by storms, which also hit us while in Unije and again near Murter, as you point out understanding how the wind will impact the boat is important so you can plan how to deploy your dock lines.
When caught with boats alongside in the past we have deployed lines between the boats at bow and stern, as well as to the shore, with additional bow and centre lines to the dock from the outside boats, using these to try to maintain some distance between each boat and secure the raft as a whole, it is not always possible to have a space each side.
Here in the UK we have had a horrible storm, and there is a great video of a boat being rescued in Brixham Harbour on Saturday, the pontoon had broken free with the boat still attached ruclips.net/video/M5kB3vXhP4U/видео.html
Wow I just watched the video. Not all heroes wear capes!
Yes securing together like that, bow to bow for some support can help to as long as the waves are no too big. Reality is if I have of been right next to boats here I would not have stayed. I knew it was coming and would have gone to another harbour or bay where I had space to secure.
Thanks for watching :) Keep the comments coming!