IRDX Core - Is It Worth It?
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
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If You can't hear the difference in a blind test, don't waste 40 bucks
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And your CPU
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Good review, man. I'm glad you're honest. Kind of sick of all the "This is a gamechanger!" reviews. Saw one guy analyzing it with some spectrum analyzer, showing it creates some harmonic distortion and stuff. I mean, fair enough, I guess, if that's what it does. But you can also just use an eq and some subtle saturation instead, if you need to.
Yes I hear the difference, it's definitely more alive, wider stereo and more dynamic. Without the plugin it's kinda static. But then again, I only heard it when maxed out....
Hear to tell but think it sounds slightly more dynamic and thicker but very small difference. It depends what you want these subtle changes can be the making of a record though
Honest review. Thanks for that. I "heared" this effect on Demos of the MLC Amp Sim and expected that to be subtle. But I think I will pass a test of my own here. Cheers!
To my ears it does add a subtle low end shift/boost, I feel like it could be replicated with something like pro-q or carve eq matching, however as someone else mentioned already I mostly heard it on the chugs.
All in all, I really appreciate how honest your reaction was and how you always look for free and affordable stuff.
I watched a bunch of demos for this plugin. Only one demo had a difference I could hear and it was so small I couldn't say it was better or more realistic just different. This might be something only the super engineers can hear.
Thanks mate, cheers
I can hear (or rather feel) it. Of course it's a very subtle effect. As it was intended to be.
Man's casually blasting guitar riffs at 120db at home to FEEL the difference! 😀🥴🔊🔊⚡💀
Dude that low end on the guitars are slapping
I feel like it adds a slight boost in the top end but more so, it gets rid of that like flat digital artifact sound that most amp sims and IRs have.
Top end, yes when it's cranked. The flat digital artificial or artifact sound gotten rid of, I don't hear that.
All I can hear was a banger of a track! Other than that, I heard no change in the sound at all.
Haha cheers chug!
I have the trial version, to me the irs without it feel static, irs are snapshots after all and with it i hear some kind of movement, like adding some kind of randomness to tone, its subtle but its there, like the channel strip emulations from plugin alliance, where you can load different channel of the console, its also subtle but it adds up if you spread it to the mix, still it wont make your tone better, you need a good tone and in the end if you want to put a cherry on top, then you can go for this plugin for the last 5% to the final tone.
What kind of randomness do you mean? The speaker moves according to the signal so isn't that basically a dynamic eq added?
One small thing, I believe it was designed to go in between the amp sim and IR loader, rather than after the IR loader. I don't know if it makes much difference using it after the IR loader instead, might be worth a quick test...
Bogren says to put it after the IR loader
compared with the same technology used in subzero amp this core plugin i way more pronounced and audible than rdx in subzero.for me it sounds like good tube saturation with controlled dynamics .I'm looking forward to try it when remastering old bands stems !
I've listen few demo and I do hear something even if it's subtle with intense setting at 158%. When it's bypass you hear something is missing. it' a bit tighter with it on the low end with a tad more low mids and a little more gain. it's not night and day for sure but it can probably enhance an already very good guitar sound.
I dont know why you can't hear this plugin? I'ts clearly adding an automated movement in the low end, almost like a random sweep at fast cycles to emulate speaker air... It is definitely subtle, but it does help the guitars in the context of a mix.
Cheers man! Worth 40 dollars? Only when cranked super high it's sounds ever so slightly different and not different in a way I want or need.
@@resington I think it only appeals to guys that miss that speaker movement, it does an okay job at it, so it can maybe bring some life into your tone if thats what you enjoy, however if you love your digital stuff already, I'm gonna say its a pass.
There is a difference in the low end rumble, it becomes especially clear in the palm mutes on the start of your snippet. BUT, it only is apparent on intense mode, 150% cranked. And if I'd WANT more oomph, then I'd simply just make another take where I dig in a bit harder on the strings, to be honest.
Thanks for the review. Spares me splitting hairs over things I do not really need.
Fair dude, always worth trying for yourself Phil. Cheers as always.
Think you get approaching result with some saturation than working in a random way, maybe like airwindows mojo or so. Well if it give a little extra plus to the mix, should be ok for a black friday
One thing I have noticed is that it might matter if you set it to mono or stereo mode, I think it's set as stereo as standard and if you put it on mono on every track like that it might not work as intended. I have experimented with this both and found it to sound better the way you have it setup, BUT made sure it's set to mono mode and calibrated and all that.
Tried it every which way before and since and next to no change.
i like Bogren's knobs and Bogren's IRs (very good for generic and quick go to stuff), but this one seems like emperor's clothes 😊. On the other hand this plugin was asked by users and here it is. I think this is not a new plugin, but an interface upon the cab section already included in the knobs. So, with little effort and known demand, is a no brainer path to take. I would reaaaaaly appreciate other knobs for some exotic amps though 😊
That is because you focus your attention on the frequencies instead of the dynamics; try to AB test a 2 seconds of the bass drum with two different tracks in your DAW and listen to the attacks difference, you can notice that the wet attacks got more impact.
Struggling to hear it means it's worthless to me. Feel free to show that test. Thanks.
In my OLLO S4X, there's a clear difference. More clarity, less clack in the high mids and reach - which is where I think the comments more real come from. I loved it and might buy it. I say might as I already have MLC ZERO. But I I still love many of my IRs as is.
It's a very subtle difference. About as subtle as comparing their products to the amps they are inspired by. I think only the tone nit pickers would even be able to tell if it's on, and that's an entire subject in itself. Is it worth it? At 40 bucks I'd say so, but remember it'll go on sale sooner than you know it. I'm getting it, but I love Bogren.
finally, someone told the truth. thank you for your honest review.
No problem dude.
Solo'ed you can tell the difference especially in phones and an FRFR. It basically moves more air so to speak.
You have to run through your signal chain for this song. It sounds massive.
Thanks man. Soon!
Same here. If the difference is that small the audience won't hear a difference either. I think I'll pass on this one.
I make a little trick using LFOs in Reaper to recreate the minimum certain movement of the speaker on IRs , and don't need to waste a single penny on them. (OK Reaper licence only haha)
I am just trying to understand what this does because for recorded tones an amp sim with a cab ir is as good as it gets for me. .what it lacks is for anybody who has actually played thru an actual tube amp with a cab is the feel and response of a an actual amp. So if this does that and i can actually get that missing element when playing my amp sims thru monitors or headphones.
i remember Kazrog had a similar thing in their recabinet plugin
IMO, it's basically an exciter for guitar. So rather than having a saturator or something on the guitars bus, slap this on each track. Not worth the price really. In the MLC, I turn it off. Makes the tone too fizzy or airy sometimes and not in a good way.
The funny thing is Kazrog has something similar in Recabinet and AmpCraft 92. I think the difference there is Shane's algorithm focuses more on the lows and high mids, rather than the super highs.
In the end, this is just another tool for people, but I'm gonna pass for now.
Cheers
I do recall Recabinet having a similar thing and for some reason i preferred the sound when it was off
@@vejichanYeah. It tightens the chugs and lows when IRDX or dynamics is turned off. With it on there's more pumping. For lower gain, blues or whatever it's cool. Not so much for metal IMHO.
"Makes the tone too fizzy or airy sometimes and not in a good way." - is exactly what I heard the first time I listened to this demo. The moment it's turned off my ears appreciated the sound more than with it. It hypes 3-5khz too much with harmonic saturation that my ears are super sensitive too and it just hurts. Honestly all Bogren impulses are hyped in that area and I personally find them unusable for that reason, it's just too much, I spend so much time dialing down that area that in the end I just go with another impulse response that's not as processed as his. Maybe they're good for live stuff, dunno, but for me in a mix, it's hard to dial in if I want something else other than tones everyone is using.
It models cone/driver movement into the way a real speaker interacts with a mic. Try it with it being the very last thing in your chain after your EQ. And make sure it's calibrated. It's not really meant to give a huge tonal change. But it makes IR's (if they are good) respond/react in a more realistic natural way.
Would it make sense to do a frequency analysis of what this thing actually does when you send a sweep through it? Because maybe that's how you can tell what this plugin even does, I can't hear much of a noticable difference in a mix.
If I can't hear it or can barely here it, what's the point? Go ahead dude and thanks as always.
@@resington it would eliminate the mystery around the "bring life into your guitar Amp Sims" and actually showcase why people would even pay for this.
@@ayeapprove I'll watch your video if you make it. 😁
@@resington Mikko did it before I got the chance haha: ruclips.net/video/NG_cmpFP_Hw/видео.html
What's kind of crazy isn't any sort of tone shift or anything, but speaker feel. My headphone drivers literally start dancing to the music when it's engaged. It's most obvious for the chords that you let ring out and the vibrations decay with the bass, where the response seems to not change when the plugin is bypassed - it's like it has the same intensity from the initial attack through the decay without it. It's less noticeable on my monitors and I don't know if that's because they're actual pieces of shit or not.
If there is any difference, it can be revealed by doing a "Null Test."
Chernobyl Studios also struggled with it. He said, he kinda understands that it emulates even the mic being affected by the pushed air, wiggling around. Who knows!
you realise that your output is off in the plug in right?
They must have had Monty Python work on this one for the LoLs. Chernobyl Studios ripped this one pretty bad for the same thing, so either there is a special usgage for this thing or April Fools Day came early this year. That demo, though. I can't wait to get my hands on the new demo album, if there will be one. That is some bangin' stuff right there! 👑🎸🔥
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Thanks Shardz, soon for sure!
2:31vs. 2:43 (chugs) It's not like night and day, but it's there. It's more of a feeling in a mix, but if you solo the track you can hear it better. If you don't hear a difference on a soloed track with headphones at 150% then I can't help you. ;)
I have been skipping between the two sound snippets for 2 minutes and I dont hear any difference.
I know its generally hard to do such tests with youtube compression but if I spend 40 bucks on a plugin it should make improvements to my sounds that arent hidden by compression (which is the way 90% of your listeners are gonna experience your music anyways).
I like Bogren Digital but this thing is borderline snakes oil.
Also if you need to solo your tracks to hear the difference you should keep in mind that that is something 0% of your listeners are gonna experience lmao.
@@yungvarg2301 This is a 4 month old comment, I haven't listened to it since then, now I listened to the two timestamps again (with regular headphones that cost under $100 - that's all I have around now) and I can immediately, clearly hear the difference in the mix as well. Which is NOT huge but noticeable. And I'm not an "audiophile".
@@yungvarg2301 If you don't buy a plugin because you consider it useful/interesting and want to try it because it offers you something new/different but because of the "experience" of your listeners, who don't care (99%) what happens in your mix at the plugin level (they just like it or not - of course they can have an opinion about it, "the drums are too loud" etc.) that may not be the best method IMO.
for me it makes neural dsp plugins go from flat and static and just plain boring to something with more life, definately notice it more solo'd
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finally someone is telling the truth😁
Love Brogren Digital. But this seemed odd to me. I’ll be passing on it.
It's a weird plugin. You don't need it if you already got a great sound going on, but if you can figure out how to implement it... I don't think you won't wanna stop using it. I think it can add spice to your guitars.
How about drums
1:01 Oh, u got John Tardy from Obituary to casually do vocals on ur track?! 😅👀
I can't hear the difference in this mix either. But u should have done the guitars as solo in the end, to spot the differences better 🤔
And as Mr Bogren said himself, the Intense mode is basically there just so u can hear what the plugin does since it exaggerates the effect - the Normal mode is how the plugin should be used.
I saw another video making this same comparison, but in that one I could clearly hear the difference, but as I commented to the dude, it was because the IRDX version was like 1-2db LOUDER! Thus it was impossible to tell if it was any better or what did it do exactly.
If you put the Fab Filter Pro at the end of the chain u'll see the difference far beyond your ears. Try another kind of guitars too, other music genres. To hear it clearly amplify the whole thing in stereo to bigger cabs, as in stage.
P.S listening in Mono there's nearly 0 difference, surely a speaker IS mono so it if replicating a cab it should in no way affect the stereo width.
I think I heard someone say you should use it between the amp and the cab, but just a very small difference, not a huge night and day shift in the tone. I actually need to try this one!
there's a subtle difference, and when i say this i mean it's doing something you would only notice when isolating your guitar, Bogren makes amazing VSTs but this isnt one of them at all
Agreed.
maybe the effektor silencer work too slow so it reduce guitar attack transients on mutes even more and irdx can not detect transient. your pick noise is very dull in mutes typical for IR. see OLA 14 DAYS - Guitar Challenge #4 - MASTER THE METAL GALLOP . try such play with and without effect. i hear a little diffrence in your video too. try a loop with only mutes record it as wav with and without irdx . then you can faster switch between them. maybe you then hear
I tried it every which way since. Still nothing I need or want.
To do a proper test you need the recordings to blend / cut so you don't notice it. and close your eyes. :D
There's a trial. Go for it.
@@resington nah, too lazy. The kemper sounds real enough hehe
@@resington I tried it. intense mode and calibrated = only made the guitars sound abit louder. it also uses about 10 % more CPU per guitar! will use it for placebo feeling
@@elguitarTom just boost 8k haha.
The difference is huge, without it the frequencies are flat, with it they are alive similar to a real microphoned cabinet. This plugin is insane!
It definitely does something: it adds rumble, weird comb filtering below 200khz and a boost at 7500khz
Nobody needs that, just to be clear… but it does "something"
Well said.
Gotta do a proper A/B test my man
Apparently you need to use it before the IR - ruclips.net/video/WLUaCooPID4/видео.html - although even then I could only really hear a difference over You Tube on the extreme setting.
Update: Just downloaded it and tried using it before the IRs on a couple of tracks. It did make a difference on the Intense setting but really subtle!
It's literally a business thing. Make your product stand out, make "normal Ir's" the "enemy" and your product the "Solution" and the buyer the "hero". Basically Donald Miller Storybrand.
Slight difference, but they know there will be people want it. Funny how EVERY album up until now has sounded INCREDIBLE without this product. It don't get no better if music is shite too.
I agree.
There is a difference... Watch and listen to better quality isolated guitars... ruclips.net/video/X3BK0Q9jJq4/видео.htmlsi=T4wG8QE29zSdnsxM However the main question is... Are we gonna able to hear the difference so intense in a full mix? I would say it gives more boost, saturation and eq.... In my opinion is some kind of shortcut/time saver for doing it manually... But I guess Bogren Digital needs to go deeper into this subject...
i DO hear a difference (specifically it sounds a bit more lively which me likes) but honestly its something you need to have a developed ear to hear.
if you want top notch near flawless mixes then yeah sure go for it i'd do too but if youre happy with what you have and so is
your audience then you have zero need to get this plugin lmao
it's not offered at some insane fuckin price of like 1 trillion billion dollars as some other ""secret weapon"" plugins (which are just as subtle and worse than this at what this does) so, its gonna stay like that for me.
It's an extra, it makes it sound mildly better, but you dont need it.
Ooooooo so this doesn’t load IRs?
No it's a fairy dust type plugin.
I just got the trial version and honestly not really impressed and don't hear a lot of difference, Modern Amp sims like Neuraldsp and Stl tones just need a slight EQ and you're good to go imo
I feel like you would be easier to hear in solo
His output is turned down on the irdx
I noticed that. The input is all the way up and output all the way down. Also seems to have used the calibration tool in it because it says calibrated.
Possibly the plugin detected a weak input signal and maxed out in turn lowering the output all the way.
May need to redo this test? Was it an error. What do you think.
I used it through louder signals and results were the same. You'll have to take my word for it. If I have to struggle to hear it. What's the need for it?
@@resington interesting. I’m trying it out now and do notice a difference in the chugs and the top end. It is slight and may not be useful to everyone but some may find some use for it. Also noticed a difference when I put it on virtual euro bass 3 after ndsp parallax.
Anyway all said and done I think it’s a bit over priced.
In a super overly out of this world saturated market, these guys just don't know what to come up with, anymore.
If you can't hear the difference with this plugin, either, you need new speakers and/or room, or you need new ears. It's subtle, but when used properly it adds something which helps bring guitars to the front and a bit of dynamics to the IR response. I suspect the reason you can't hear a difference here is your guitar tone is pretty bad honestly. Too much gain and hollow as hell.
Thanks for commenting dude. I'm not gonna spend 40 dollars to have the tiniest difference on my tone. A difference I don't like either.
@@resingtonI respect that. I'm not saying it's worth $40 to anyone. I'm just not sure how someone could say they cannot hear what it does, it's subtle, but obvious.
And, I think if you actually did a bit of testing with different sims and cabs you might find it actually does help in some scenarios to add something dynamic that is missing when you're not actually moving air (.ie speaker and mic).
Lol moneygraber nothing more...
Yeah. I’d take this baby off the market. It’s a dud. Not sure who is behind their PR whatever or products, but this is a fail.
Another fake plugin, thanks for rec
Revisandolo, creo que introduce picos de presencia, y ademas, movimientos aleatorios de eq en los medios. Con guitarras limpias y con overdrive suaves, es notorio el cambio, pero con guitarras de pobre dinamica no tiene mucho sentido.