They are also way smaller compared to both but you right, we need another 6 from Mazda. Even that is kinda tiny but still a decent bit bigger than my gen3 mazda3 though.@@layne4376
Mazda Don't have a mid size sedan anymore. Even if they make one which will be a rwd based sedan. It's going to be Lexus is or g70 rival.just like the stinger. But yes Toyota and Honda will absorb those sales
@@BudderChicken101True they’ve improved, but now they swung the pendulum and are asking too much for what they offer. I mean, the Kia EVs are cool and all, but way too expensive for being a Kia, and an EV.
Consumers arent buying sedans is bullshit. Whenever a sedan is available at a decent price point they sell. The Elantra, Civic, Mazda 3 all sell well. What drives the sentiment people dont want sedans are OEMs selling them at the price of an suv and thus consuners opt for the better value which is an suv. But when a sedan is priced well, they sell.
That's what happened I believe I noticed the prices on The legacy started creeping up to be as much or more than the similar trim of Outback so yeah people would choose the outback at the same price.....but I like cars better so I chose the legacy over the outback....
Here’s the problem with sedans. They have to sell in high volume for it to be worth it for them. I’m talking 100k units volume. While compacts sedans hit that mark with the exception of the Mazda3 and Impreza, mid size sedans are becoming a harder sell as compact crossovers are comparable in price. So you end up with Camry and Accord dominating the maket selling over 500k units combined. Altima and Malibu sell about 100k each but they sell most of theirs to fleets. K5 & Sonata have been on the decline for years selling about 55k a year each and the Legacy only selling 20k.
I recently bought a 24 Legacy Sport. I adore it. I've had hatches, vans, SUV's, etc for my last handful of cars, and I just kept not using the space more than once a year or every other year and missing out on the lower center of gravity and an affordable turbo that pulls like a freight train. The Legacy is a fantastic car. I'm so glad I got one before they went away.
I think Subaru fans will learn to love the Camry more than the Legacy as Camry has had a much better legacy, let’s be honest the Legacy won’t really leave any legacy behind besides being an all weather sedan
If we want sedans to make a return, we need to close the emissions loophole that crossovers take advantage of that really are reserved for large vehicles (BOF trucks and SUVs). Although for an CAFE liability like Subaru it might do more harm than good, since they have nothing in their lineup they can even get up to 40mpg.
Then maybe Subaru should have hit the standard then. Toyota and Honda have no problem doing it and they sell sedans all day long. The reality is the Subaru Legacy was a mediocre sedan. The CAFE standard wasn’t the reason it’s being discontinued. It’s because no one goes to Subaru for a sedan. Even the smaller Impreza has some of the worst fuel economy in the segment as you said yourself can’t hit 40 mpg.
I never thought that the Legacy would not outlast the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu is still being built with no design changes since 2016 except for dropping some trim levels. GM has done less to keep the Malibu around than Subaru, but I guess it is outselling it still after all these years which is amazing to me as they sold over 130,000 of those cars in 2023 while Subaru is only selling 25,000 of the Legacys.
Here in Germany, the Legacy is gone for a long time.. 😢 It is sad, that almost nobody buys family orientet sedans/ saloons anymore.. The last japanese midsize sedan we have in Germany, is the Mazda 6, as saloon and as wagon.. The Ford Mondeo/ Fusion = gone; Opel/Vauxhall Insignia = gone; Honda Arcord = gone for a loong time; Toyota Avensis and Camry = gone; Nissan Primera = gone since almost 20 years (no replacement); VW Passat Sedan = gone since three years.. and so on and so on..
I thought in Europe, wagons and sedans were selling like hot cakes because volvo is basically the only mainstream automaker selling wagons in the U.S. There might be others here in the U.S. but volvo is really the only one i know
@@b8Capital Wagons are selling well. But SUV's and Crossover are selling more. Sadly. Mercedes wants to reduce the offering of wagons for example. Or it is a plan, but for now, nobody knows if they will follow the plan. Ford will discontinue the last wagon model in their line up in 2025. But their are componies who still offer a wagon thanks God 🙏 And it is still a popular choice here in Germany.
@@stefanwiechmann4808 this is actually staggering news. Like the comment above I believe that the EU was still civilized enough to appreciate sedans and wagons. We still get sedans in North America but they are slowly dying, and nobody’s buys them anyway. I thought they still sold in Europe. This is heartbreaking news tbh.
@@sshah2545 Here are some sedans available. But they are most premium. Like BMW, Audi, Mercedes Benz, Genesis, and Skoda Superb (liftback sedan). Lexus has two offerings. Mazda sells the 6 and three as a sedan and hatchback. In Belgium the last gen Camry was sold. But I don't know if the current gen will be sold there too. And some European countries have different models then Germany. The Peugeot 508 is also available as a liftback sedan as well as the Citrooën C5 X, and the Citrooën C4 X. Alfa sells the Giulia. However electric sedans could be take the part. Like Tesla Model 3/S, Polestar 2, BYD Seal and Han, Hyundai Ioniq 6 and some more. We have to wait and see what will come up next.
I’ve been thinking the same thing ever since I bought my 2020 legacy XT … that the next legacy coming out is either hybrid or electric but I guess now it’s just a dream…
Subaru isn’t listening to the North American consumer. By the time I was able to afford a WRX and the STI, they stopped producing the hatchback. The legacy was cool unless you realized you could get so much more utility with a hatchback. All manufacturers were pushing crossovers and hatchbacks… That’s crazy. The coolest most exciting cars on the road. In the 2000s were the wrx and sti cars with 4 wheel drive. A cool understated commuter car with guts. They were riding high off the notoriety of their racing and then they broke our hearts by sticking to only sedans and not innovating the wrx and sti. All the while, all the other manufacturers including Subaru were killing it with hatchbacks and crossovers. So no surprise. Is the Impreza next? Not that exciting compared to competition.
For a minute Subaru made a hatchback/stationwaggon cool. All their ads are about living in the country and getting lost In a forest. Well, what about the concrete jungle? Today I drive the x3M40i. The only commuter 4 wheel drive car that has guts with a hatch that’s still cool. Rather have a Subaru if they made one we all wanted.
Subaru is swirling the drain and appear to be going the way of Mistubishi. It's a shame because there's a lot that I like about their cars. My 2017 WRX was the first car I bought brand new. Then they killed the STI and turned the regular WRX into a hideous abomination. Their exclusive focus on EVs is also too much for me compared to other brands like for example Honda and Toyota that are taking a more blended/phased approach to electrification. But on top of all that, I think their cars are just soulless as of late.
Its own brother the wrx takes up all the sedan sales for Subaru lol. And the people who can’t afford a wrx for sure can’t a legacy so they go for the Impreza instead.
The Levorg is a wagon variant of the WRX, which sits on the exact same platform as the Impreza/Crosstrek. The reason why the WRX feels bigger is because it has a bigger body kit. The wheelbase is the same as the Impreza. So essentially, the Levorg, Layback, WRX, Impreza, and Crosstrek are all variants of one car.
Man, this is so sad. I loved the Legacy and thought the last two generations were beautiful vehicles. My take on why the Legacy didn’t sell anymore is that the last three Legacy’s were not in line with what Subaru consumers wanted. Subaru consumers wanted a more rugged AWD sedan like in the early 2000s instead of the elegant designed Legacy which were the last two generations. Very sad because it was a good car. Also Kirk, Mitsubishi’s midsize sedan was the Galant. The Lancer was a compact.
Sad to see, I have fond memories of my dads Legacy. I drove that car to prom. That being said, maybe the next version of the legacy will be a EV model. At least that is what I think will happen.
Mistake by Subaru. I bought a 24 Legacy turbo and absolutely love it. Best awd system, very well built, and...fast. Best car I've ever owned, and I actually traded my 21 STi for it. Yup. The problem that you do not mention is that Subaru has not advertised this car well at all. I've driven Camrys. Eh. Honda's quality is now known to be sliding. My brother will never own another Honda due to issues. He had an Accord.
I used to be a die-hard sedan fan(I actually drive a Subaru Ascent now), but technology and improvements just make crossovers a much better jack of all trades, especially if you only have one car. The Outback is literally a Legacy Wagon with cladding and a lift. There is it reason why it sells so well versus the Legacy. Ground clearance alone is worth it. Worrying about scraping on curbs, ruts, or shitty driveways is simply a non-issue for me.
Ground clearance is worth it? The hell? You drive with a foot of snow on the road? IF it snows like that in your area; roads will be black for the 20 minutes it takes for every hilljack with a plow making overtime and doing moonsugar to clear the road down to Sedan ride height.
@@panzer_TZ So let me get this straight. You want your car's drive height to be taller so you can *checks notes* park (tempted just to put the period here) in certain driveways? This is why I moved to Cyprus. America is just too fat and stupid to drive properly.
What we want are wagons, the sti to come back, more manual and sporty cars with good mpg. Toyota is doing things right, good mpg, coming out with very nice looking cars, only thing they need to add would be manual transmission and awd. Subaru needs to grab this chance and give us a better wrx, and make the sti come back in both the sedan/hatch/wagon. Bring back the impreza for the love of god. If they actually listening they would sell like hot cakes, for the right cost of course.
I really think Subaru could have tried harder to make the Legacy more appealing. They could have drawn on the Legacy’s rallying pedigree ( pre WRX ) and make it more of a sports/performance car, a notch up from a WRX. I’ve driven the 6th generation and it was nothing to write home about. Look at early Legacy GT models from 3rd and 4th 0:02 generations. These were hot sedans. I’d love Subaru to go out on a limb and create a desirable Legacy not just one that has 4wd and a low price 🫤
I have a 2020 Ford Fusion, the last year it was made, and I only have the SE hybrid model, but people still tell me I have a really nice looking car. Maybe sedans could make a come back someday. I get 45 mpg.
If they are going to have 8 EVs, then I doubt all of them are SUVs, that’s too many, so in the end, they will probably bring back the Legacy name in few years as a pure EV.
Back in 2020-22 when I was looking it was Subaru's infotainment and CVT that did the Legacy in for me. The Accord 2.0T 10speed just seemed better but those upper trim Legacies have some pretty decent interiors. I would still feel comfortable recommending it to anyone looking for a 4 seater and wants AWD
I'm still surprised that GM is still selling the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu is way long in the tooth(last redesigned in 2016), and it's way more popular with rental car agencies than consumer buyers. And when a vehicle is considered a "rental car" favorite, it's usually not a good vehicle.
My old man had a Gen 3 Legacy GT sedan, spoiler, leather seats and all. He loved it and sadly the car had the dreaded EJ head gasket issue which sent it to the junkyard. He had a soft spot for Subies ever since.
The legacy was more expensive than the Camry hybrid in the $50k+ price range in my country. Few people bought them after the 3rd Gen so the Legacy was not sold here after the fourth Gen. Levorg was sold here but no one bought them also so it was rebranded as the WRX wagon. WRX sales are also very low. Accord also hasn’t been sold here for many years.
It’s just that Subaru didn’t put too much effort on Legacy as we thought. Like consumer demand, we want hybrid or plug-in hybrid. Subaru ignore that or least bring a Spec B or Outback Sedan they ignore that too. I think 4th Gen was the best design for Legacy after that the 5th-7th Gen Subaru didn’t care anymore design boring looking sedan some didn’t bother want to buy the car.
Once upon a time Subaru made some interesting, quirky, and performance oriented cars. Then they started using CVTs, got bigger, and became bland. Wished they kept the 3.6R Legacy. Same with a 2.5XT Forester!
Honda and Toyota yes. Hyundai and Kia are only selling half of what they did before the pandemic and they sell what a quarter of what the Camry and Accord do. They will probably be gone by end of their current generation.
I have a year left on the lease of my second Outback. I have no idea what I want to get next. Perhaps a Polestar or an ID 4. I don't think a Solterra is in the running.
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 they have electric elements that make them have a quick off-line feel and I think that I’d rather have 1994 gas prices which is what that equals out to when you get 50 miles a gallon and you basically pay 1/3 of the price
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 and the base Subaru Legacy only has 180hp, so what exactly would you do with that? At least the Camry gets 225 or 232hp (AWD) in every trim level.
Man, the Levorg looks so good.. The only way we could get a station wagon in the US is to buy a compact SUV / crossover and lower it to a normal ground clearance height for street driving.
By the way, the Levorg is essentially a wagon version of the WRX, which in turn is based on the exact same platform as the Impreza and Crosstreck. So the Levorg is the spiritual successor to that Impreza wagon we all wanted in the early 2000s.
What took so long? When the Mazda 6 got disconnected from the American and Canadian market my first question was this. The Mazda is dead but the Subaru Legacy still exists? Like who the heck is buying Subaru Legacies? I see Mazda 6s running around but I rarely see current generation Subaru Legacies.
My Mom had a ‘93 Wagon with a 5-speed when I was a kid. It was a great car for those New England winters. Never let us down. I had a ‘15 3.6 R and it to was a great car. I switched to a Crosstrek and my Mom went back to Subaru when she bought her current car, a Forester. Certainly sad news but it was inevitable. If in the market for a mid-sized sedan it would be either a Camry or a Legacy for me. Not interested in Kia/Hyundai or Nissan and I’m not a fan of the current Accord.
@@Cerby1979I’m pretty sure the Malibu was based on the comparable Opel. Now that GM no longer owns Opel they no longer have the German cars to turn to.
@@z1az285 when you really get to the meat in the bones. You will discover that Newley all corporations, media and manufacturers are owned by six major parent companies. From cars to the food you eat , soap and shampoo, and the clothes you wear. It all boils down to six companies world wide.
What's going on with the Acura TLX? The Marysville Ohio plant is currently being converted to an EV plant and nothing is coming out of it... Accords are being moved to Indiana for 2025. Will any more 2024 TLX's be made? Or 2025? The end of the TLX?
Subaru missed a massive opportunity by not going the hybrid route with the legacy (when the plug in Crosstrek hybrid was released, they could have refined the system) and it was a huge missed opportunity in my opinion. i have a 2018 limited legacy and while im not happy about the cars reliability and CVT though all my issues were fixed under warranty, it is as close to a luxury sedan one can purchase without the hefty price tag. there are so many great features, top notch safety rating, excellent visibility, mileage and AWD. love the car otherwise. if this car had Toyota's E-CVT like the Crosstrek hybrid had (a version of it), i would buy one in a heartbeat. i didn't consider the camry earlier because something or the other was off, but if the forester hybrid doesn't measure up i am going to order the next camry no matter how long i have to wait for it.
I have a 2007 Legacy, I would get 260 miles per tank, it took almost 18 gallons to fill it, it was not a turbo model. The transmission was horrible, if it was raining the remote trunk would not open, just an extra rinse for you.
To make the boxer more reliable is simple. Stronger internals, and dry sump oiling system to maintain oil pressure regardless of angle or cornering lateral G force.
@@AntilleanConfederation I’m a fan despite any flaws. But the future is hybrid drive trains. And Toyota has that experience. My 2015 Legacy has been almost flawless. I think the timing tensioners should be replaced. But it’s so minor at this point I’m keeping on trucking.
I currently own a 2024 Legacy Premium and i really love it ... I know it gets a lot of hate but it suits my needs better than a camry or Accord would.....
I feel like Subaru only does well in particular size segment. No one goes to them for cars or large suvs (probably because they shoved the cvt in Ascent). I feel like a small truck based on the forester is probably a better investment.
I will never understand why people buy such large cars or buy too much car that they cant afford. I wish wagons were more payed attention to, but hey, i guess the government convinced the people that its totally normal to drive a vehicle that is larger than a WW2 tank.
Last time I was in the market for a car(2013), I like the idea of the legacy with the all wheel drive but I took if for a test drive and it was an absolute dog and I knew I could not live with it. The sales guy was working me hard but I just walked out.
It hurts to see sport cars slowly going away by each year. No more manuals. No more sedans. Just more bland EV's and more SUV's... It very difficult to accept change. I hope in 2050, I would see a cute old "classic" Miata on the road. Just Zooming through EV's...
It’s sad but I get it. I don’t see many brand new Legacys around these days, people aren’t buying the new ones. However all the old ones are still running and are everywhere. I guess Accord, Altima, and Camry are the champions of the midsize sedan segment.
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 Thank God there are other choices ... Cost savings generated by use of CVT not passed on to the consumers is a disease of Subbie, Nissan and Honda .
My parents had a BG wagon which I loved to death, and my cousin overseas had a twin turbo BH… Shame on Subaru to let the Legacy die a stagnant death 😡 You forgot BMW/Audi/Mercedes for sedan choices…
Yes, Kirk, it could have been an electric Legacy. Since there are so many people into hatchbacks, perhaps it could be a Subaru Legacy Hatchback. Realizing that "Electric Subaru Legacy Hatchback" is a very long name. 😊
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Toyota, Mazda and Honda will absorb all of this.
Definitely Toyota and Honda. But Mazda doesn't have a mid sized, AWD sedan. They are so far behind the other two in sales it is mind numbing.
They are also way smaller compared to both but you right, we need another 6 from Mazda. Even that is kinda tiny but still a decent bit bigger than my gen3 mazda3 though.@@layne4376
Mazda Don't have a mid size sedan anymore. Even if they make one which will be a rwd based sedan. It's going to be Lexus is or g70 rival.just like the stinger. But yes Toyota and Honda will absorb those sales
Not really. Im calling a 2026 outback hybrid is coming. Its going to replace the production the legacy had.
Toyota will absorb most of it, as they made the right decision to double down on the Camry.
I remember when the Legacy, 626, Maxima, Galant, Accord & Camry were all viable options...and Hyundai was a joke.
And Kia made refrigerators with wheels
@@justincredible1990They still do. All Kia did was hire designers from Bimmer to jazz up their 4 wheeled refrigerator.
@@mrgurulittle7000damn lol idk they upped their game too. Gotta respect the new good stuff comin out
@@BudderChicken101True they’ve improved, but now they swung the pendulum and are asking too much for what they offer. I mean, the Kia EVs are cool and all, but way too expensive for being a Kia, and an EV.
Not sure if Galant makes that list. Doesn't seem to be in the same league as the others.
Consumers arent buying sedans is bullshit. Whenever a sedan is available at a decent price point they sell. The Elantra, Civic, Mazda 3 all sell well. What drives the sentiment people dont want sedans are OEMs selling them at the price of an suv and thus consuners opt for the better value which is an suv. But when a sedan is priced well, they sell.
That's what happened I believe I noticed the prices on The legacy started creeping up to be as much or more than the similar trim of Outback so yeah people would choose the outback at the same price.....but I like cars better so I chose the legacy over the outback....
Here’s the problem with sedans. They have to sell in high volume for it to be worth it for them. I’m talking 100k units volume. While compacts sedans hit that mark with the exception of the Mazda3 and Impreza, mid size sedans are becoming a harder sell as compact crossovers are comparable in price.
So you end up with Camry and Accord dominating the maket selling over 500k units combined. Altima and Malibu sell about 100k each but they sell most of theirs to fleets. K5 & Sonata have been on the decline for years selling about 55k a year each and the Legacy only selling 20k.
@@DeadAir21Jetta does not hit the 100k mark either
@@chezzyperson3339 forgot about the Jetta. It just shows when it comes to sedans it’s Toyota, Honda, and everyone else gets the scraps.
@@DeadAir21they don’t even sell the Impreza sedan anymore. Hatch only they. They are killing sedans whether they sell well or not
I recently bought a 24 Legacy Sport. I adore it. I've had hatches, vans, SUV's, etc for my last handful of cars, and I just kept not using the space more than once a year or every other year and missing out on the lower center of gravity and an affordable turbo that pulls like a freight train. The Legacy is a fantastic car. I'm so glad I got one before they went away.
Should of gone WRX
No worries Subaru fans, we will have plenty of Camrys with better technology, reliability , and fuel efficiency.
We have a 2023 Camry XLE and love it! Camry 2026 will be next for our 2nd car. My first is a 2022 Kona, going to get a 2024 KIA Niro PHEV this summer.
also awd
the flat 6 legacy was pretty sick, something like that never gonna come again but too bad subaru put no work into making it fun
I think Subaru fans will learn to love the Camry more than the Legacy as Camry has had a much better legacy, let’s be honest the Legacy won’t really leave any legacy behind besides being an all weather sedan
Considering they just killed off the V6, the Camry is unfortunately dead now, too.
If we want sedans to make a return, we need to close the emissions loophole that crossovers take advantage of that really are reserved for large vehicles (BOF trucks and SUVs). Although for an CAFE liability like Subaru it might do more harm than good, since they have nothing in their lineup they can even get up to 40mpg.
Then maybe Subaru should have hit the standard then. Toyota and Honda have no problem doing it and they sell sedans all day long. The reality is the Subaru Legacy was a mediocre sedan. The CAFE standard wasn’t the reason it’s being discontinued. It’s because no one goes to Subaru for a sedan. Even the smaller Impreza has some of the worst fuel economy in the segment as you said yourself can’t hit 40 mpg.
Sedans will be a luxury Automaker thing after 10 years
I never thought that the Legacy would not outlast the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu is still being built with no design changes since 2016 except for dropping some trim levels. GM has done less to keep the Malibu around than Subaru, but I guess it is outselling it still after all these years which is amazing to me as they sold over 130,000 of those cars in 2023 while Subaru is only selling 25,000 of the Legacys.
Here in Germany, the Legacy is gone for a long time.. 😢
It is sad, that almost nobody buys family orientet sedans/ saloons anymore..
The last japanese midsize sedan we have in Germany, is the Mazda 6, as saloon and as wagon..
The Ford Mondeo/ Fusion = gone; Opel/Vauxhall Insignia = gone; Honda Arcord = gone for a loong time; Toyota Avensis and Camry = gone; Nissan Primera = gone since almost 20 years (no replacement); VW Passat Sedan = gone since three years.. and so on and so on..
I thought in Europe, wagons and sedans were selling like hot cakes because volvo is basically the only mainstream automaker selling wagons in the U.S.
There might be others here in the U.S. but volvo is really the only one i know
@@b8Capital Wagons are selling well. But SUV's and Crossover are selling more. Sadly.
Mercedes wants to reduce the offering of wagons for example. Or it is a plan, but for now, nobody knows if they will follow the plan. Ford will discontinue the last wagon model in their line up in 2025.
But their are componies who still offer a wagon thanks God 🙏
And it is still a popular choice here in Germany.
@@stefanwiechmann4808 this is actually staggering news. Like the comment above I believe that the EU was still civilized enough to appreciate sedans and wagons. We still get sedans in North America but they are slowly dying, and nobody’s buys them anyway. I thought they still sold in Europe.
This is heartbreaking news tbh.
@@sshah2545 Here are some sedans available. But they are most premium. Like BMW, Audi, Mercedes Benz, Genesis, and Skoda Superb (liftback sedan).
Lexus has two offerings. Mazda sells the 6 and three as a sedan and hatchback.
In Belgium the last gen Camry was sold. But I don't know if the current gen will be sold there too. And some European countries have different models then Germany.
The Peugeot 508 is also available as a liftback sedan as well as the Citrooën C5 X, and the Citrooën C4 X. Alfa sells the Giulia. However electric sedans could be take the part. Like Tesla Model 3/S, Polestar 2, BYD Seal and Han, Hyundai Ioniq 6 and some more.
We have to wait and see what will come up next.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Impreza is next.
Why do you need the Impreza when the WRX exists?
I’ve been thinking the same thing ever since I bought my 2020 legacy XT … that the next legacy coming out is either hybrid or electric but I guess now it’s just a dream…
Subaru isn’t listening to the North American consumer. By the time I was able to afford a WRX and the STI, they stopped producing the hatchback. The legacy was cool unless you realized you could get so much more utility with a hatchback. All manufacturers were pushing crossovers and hatchbacks… That’s crazy. The coolest most exciting cars on the road. In the 2000s were the wrx and sti cars with 4 wheel drive. A cool understated commuter car with guts. They were riding high off the notoriety of their racing and then they broke our hearts by sticking to only sedans and not innovating the wrx and sti. All the while, all the other manufacturers including Subaru were killing it with hatchbacks and crossovers. So no surprise. Is the Impreza next? Not that exciting compared to competition.
Quote. Subaru isn’t listening to the North American consumer.
I disagree they listen to the paying public and then do the exact opposite.
For a minute Subaru made a hatchback/stationwaggon cool. All their ads are about living in the country and getting lost In a forest. Well, what about the concrete jungle? Today I drive the x3M40i. The only commuter 4 wheel drive car that has guts with a hatch that’s still cool. Rather have a Subaru if they made one we all wanted.
Subaru is swirling the drain and appear to be going the way of Mistubishi. It's a shame because there's a lot that I like about their cars. My 2017 WRX was the first car I bought brand new. Then they killed the STI and turned the regular WRX into a hideous abomination. Their exclusive focus on EVs is also too much for me compared to other brands like for example Honda and Toyota that are taking a more blended/phased approach to electrification. But on top of all that, I think their cars are just soulless as of late.
Legacy didn't sell well because they never offered it in hybrid powertrain, plus it's never been a segment leader for many reasons
Its own brother the wrx takes up all the sedan sales for Subaru lol. And the people who can’t afford a wrx for sure can’t a legacy so they go for the Impreza instead.
SUVs and EVs, the two horsemen of the automotive apocalypse.
I daily Drive a13 Legacy 3.6 R it’s been a damn good car and I’m sad to see this line die off!
The Levorg is a wagon variant of the WRX, which sits on the exact same platform as the Impreza/Crosstrek. The reason why the WRX feels bigger is because it has a bigger body kit. The wheelbase is the same as the Impreza. So essentially, the Levorg, Layback, WRX, Impreza, and Crosstrek are all variants of one car.
Man, this is so sad. I loved the Legacy and thought the last two generations were beautiful vehicles. My take on why the Legacy didn’t sell anymore is that the last three Legacy’s were not in line with what Subaru consumers wanted. Subaru consumers wanted a more rugged AWD sedan like in the early 2000s instead of the elegant designed Legacy which were the last two generations. Very sad because it was a good car.
Also Kirk, Mitsubishi’s midsize sedan was the Galant. The Lancer was a compact.
Sad to see, I have fond memories of my dads Legacy. I drove that car to prom. That being said, maybe the next version of the legacy will be a EV model. At least that is what I think will happen.
The mid-size sedan market has always been a hotly contested market, doesn't surprise me at all Subaru is discontinuing this model.
Mistake by Subaru. I bought a 24 Legacy turbo and absolutely love it. Best awd system, very well built, and...fast. Best car I've ever owned, and I actually traded my 21 STi for it. Yup. The problem that you do not mention is that Subaru has not advertised this car well at all. I've driven Camrys. Eh. Honda's quality is now known to be sliding. My brother will never own another Honda due to issues. He had an Accord.
I used to be a die-hard sedan fan(I actually drive a Subaru Ascent now), but technology and improvements just make crossovers a much better jack of all trades, especially if you only have one car. The Outback is literally a Legacy Wagon with cladding and a lift. There is it reason why it sells so well versus the Legacy. Ground clearance alone is worth it. Worrying about scraping on curbs, ruts, or shitty driveways is simply a non-issue for me.
If they made a hybrid I’d be sold
I agree, crossovers have come a long way in terms of handling. I can see why they are so popular in the states.
Ground clearance is worth it? The hell? You drive with a foot of snow on the road? IF it snows like that in your area; roads will be black for the 20 minutes it takes for every hilljack with a plow making overtime and doing moonsugar to clear the road down to Sedan ride height.
I feel another problem is that in America suvs are so prevalent that having a clear view forward in a lower sedan makes buyers feel uncomfortable
@@panzer_TZ So let me get this straight. You want your car's drive height to be taller so you can *checks notes* park (tempted just to put the period here) in certain driveways? This is why I moved to Cyprus. America is just too fat and stupid to drive properly.
The Taurus was brought back in name only. The last Taurus was a re-named Ford Five Hundred.
In Israel, Saudi arabia, And some other Middle eastern areas, the ford taurus still exists, just as a slightly different mondeo
death of the legacy is very sad but it's end was very inevitable. Toyota will take those remaining sales.
What we want are wagons, the sti to come back, more manual and sporty cars with good mpg. Toyota is doing things right, good mpg, coming out with very nice looking cars, only thing they need to add would be manual transmission and awd. Subaru needs to grab this chance and give us a better wrx, and make the sti come back in both the sedan/hatch/wagon. Bring back the impreza for the love of god. If they actually listening they would sell like hot cakes, for the right cost of course.
I am shocked to learn the Legacy is being discontinued. I was hoping to buy one.
You're better off getting the new Camry. More power and better gas mileage with AWD.
@@economiccrisis9267 The 2025 Camrys only have 225 Horsepower lol. That’s pitiful.
@@cecilthecavetroll9743better than 169hp
@@economiccrisis9267 what has 169 horsepower?
I really think Subaru could have tried harder to make the Legacy more appealing. They could have drawn on the Legacy’s rallying pedigree ( pre WRX ) and make it more of a sports/performance car, a notch up from a WRX. I’ve driven the 6th generation and it was nothing to write home about. Look at early Legacy GT models from 3rd and 4th 0:02 generations. These were hot sedans.
I’d love Subaru to go out on a limb and create a desirable Legacy not just one that has 4wd and a low price 🫤
I have a 2020 Ford Fusion, the last year it was made, and I only have the SE hybrid model, but people still tell me I have a really nice looking car. Maybe sedans could make a come back someday. I get 45 mpg.
If they are going to have 8 EVs, then I doubt all of them are SUVs, that’s too many, so in the end, they will probably bring back the Legacy name in few years as a pure EV.
4th gen legacy will always be my stylistic favorite
I love my 2018 legacy best car I ever owned
If the legacy was manual with turbo
I have a memory of a Legacy. It was a loaner while my Impreza hatch was in the shop for wheel bearings AGAIN and oil consumption AGAIN.
Back in 2020-22 when I was looking it was Subaru's infotainment and CVT that did the Legacy in for me. The Accord 2.0T 10speed just seemed better but those upper trim Legacies have some pretty decent interiors. I would still feel comfortable recommending it to anyone looking for a 4 seater and wants AWD
I'm still surprised that GM is still selling the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu is way long in the tooth(last redesigned in 2016), and it's way more popular with rental car agencies than consumer buyers. And when a vehicle is considered a "rental car" favorite, it's usually not a good vehicle.
Civic Si with the MT. It’s getting harder for normal people with normal salaries to have fun these days.
My old man had a Gen 3 Legacy GT sedan, spoiler, leather seats and all. He loved it and sadly the car had the dreaded EJ head gasket issue which sent it to the junkyard. He had a soft spot for Subies ever since.
I barely see these on the road. Camrys and Accords are kings.
Don't worry, the Accord is gonna get axed soon.
Funny - I saw a Legacy today and wondered, “how can this compete with Camry and Accord?”
I owned a 2006 Subaru Legacy. Nice and comfortable.
Wish i had one. Your era was the best Legacy.
The legacy was more expensive than the Camry hybrid in the $50k+ price range in my country. Few people bought them after the 3rd Gen so the Legacy was not sold here after the fourth Gen. Levorg was sold here but no one bought them also so it was rebranded as the WRX wagon. WRX sales are also very low. Accord also hasn’t been sold here for many years.
Where the hell do you live then? Antarctica?
It’s just that Subaru didn’t put too much effort on Legacy as we thought. Like consumer demand, we want hybrid or plug-in hybrid. Subaru ignore that or least bring a Spec B or Outback Sedan they ignore that too. I think 4th Gen was the best design for Legacy after that the 5th-7th Gen Subaru didn’t care anymore design boring looking sedan some didn’t bother want to buy the car.
Wdym, the 2015-2019 Legacy looked sweet
For Mitsubishi it was also the Galant.
If Mazda can make the 6 live on, why can’t Subaru make the Legacy live on? 😢
The style of it looks frumpy and only old people seem to have it
Once upon a time Subaru made some interesting, quirky, and performance oriented cars. Then they started using CVTs, got bigger, and became bland.
Wished they kept the 3.6R Legacy. Same with a 2.5XT Forester!
Accord n Camry will soak the customers
I don't think I've seen a Legacy on the road in 2 years. Where are these 80,000 cars?
Sedans from Honda, Toyota, Kia, and Hyundai are selling well but the US is a Truck/SUV nation now.
Honda and Toyota yes. Hyundai and Kia are only selling half of what they did before the pandemic and they sell what a quarter of what the Camry and Accord do. They will probably be gone by end of their current generation.
2005 Legacy Outback owner lets go
Does that mean the Honda Accord will be discontinued in the future since sales are declining
There’s a little known rumor going around that Accord will die as a sedan and become a Crosstour to compete with the Crown
I have a year left on the lease of my second Outback. I have no idea what I want to get next. Perhaps a Polestar or an ID 4. I don't think a Solterra is in the running.
The ID.4 is horrible
Subaru are a small Car manufacturer Kirk, they can´t build fastly new Cars with different powertrains.
The sedan he couldn’t think of at the end what the American sole survivor sedan the Chevy Malibu.
CT4, CT5, Celestique, and Charger 4 door are the only other Detroit sedans left
@@chezzyperson3339 celestique is a liftback like a prius. Not a sedan
This means the next gen Outback will be a proper SUV on its own platform, and not sharing with the Legacy?
If I remember correctly the 1989 Legacy was basically a rebranded 1988 Subaru GL? Hence the name Legacy?
Subaru let the Legacy die. Not even a Wilderness trim before they axed it.
Maybe the money to make the legacy will go to a New Baja?
If you want a legacy their partner Toyota has the all new 25 Camry with 53 miles per gallon for 32k well-equipped at the LE level.
The new Camrys only have 225hp lol. You can’t do anything with that.
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 they have electric elements that make them have a quick off-line feel and I think that I’d rather have 1994 gas prices which is what that equals out to when you get 50 miles a gallon and you basically pay 1/3 of the price
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 and the base Subaru Legacy only has 180hp, so what exactly would you do with that? At least the Camry gets 225 or 232hp (AWD) in every trim level.
@@tails300 Yeah, but the Subaru has at least an option to opt for a 260hp, 270 ft-lbs of torque engine.
Man, the Levorg looks so good.. The only way we could get a station wagon in the US is to buy a compact SUV / crossover and lower it to a normal ground clearance height for street driving.
By the way, the Levorg is essentially a wagon version of the WRX, which in turn is based on the exact same platform as the Impreza and Crosstreck. So the Levorg is the spiritual successor to that Impreza wagon we all wanted in the early 2000s.
I had a 1990 Legacy that I turned into a rally car. Over 225k and was still running perfectly in 2004 when I sold it. Loved that car! RIP Legacy
I loved my 2012 Legacy, too bad it got totaled by a red light runner.
For me the Legacy kind of died after the 4th gen but still, no more hope of Subaru recapturing its past glory now, at least in the midsize segment.
I agree the 4th was best design for legacy after that they didn’t care anymore just make it boring.
1:56 that photo is the Legacy Outback SUS. "sport utility sedan" 😊
Part of the problem is the way that the government calculates fleet MPG. The longer wheelbase cars (i.e. sedans) get penalized for being longer.
What took so long? When the Mazda 6 got disconnected from the American and Canadian market my first question was this. The Mazda is dead but the Subaru Legacy still exists? Like who the heck is buying Subaru Legacies? I see Mazda 6s running around but I rarely see current generation Subaru Legacies.
My Mom had a ‘93 Wagon with a 5-speed when I was a kid. It was a great car for those New England winters. Never let us down. I had a ‘15 3.6 R and it to was a great car. I switched to a Crosstrek and my Mom went back to Subaru when she bought her current car, a Forester. Certainly sad news but it was inevitable. If in the market for a mid-sized sedan it would be either a Camry or a Legacy for me. Not interested in Kia/Hyundai or Nissan and I’m not a fan of the current Accord.
Malibu is next on the chopping block.
Yep. Pretty pricey for a vehicle as dated as the Malibu. That’s why Chevy hasn’t either updated or planned a redesign.
@@Cerby1979a redesign is planned for 2026
How are they even still selling those lol
@@currythegoatofmankindthepa5156Hertz, Avis, Enterprise…
@@Cerby1979I’m pretty sure the Malibu was based on the comparable Opel. Now that GM no longer owns Opel they no longer have the German cars to turn to.
Subaru needs to team with Toyota and make awd hybrids
they already are, and the Solterra/ bz4x was a joint venture. the upcoming forester hybrid will have Toyota's hybrid system and ECVT
@@z1az285it's going to smash the market
Lolol. Do people not know that Fuji heavy is part of the 5 Toyota companies. Lol.
@@AntilleanConfederation 😁😂. people need to understand the term keiritsu (Japanese) or chaebol (in korea)
i guarantee their eyes will pop
@@z1az285 when you really get to the meat in the bones. You will discover that Newley all corporations, media and manufacturers are owned by six major parent companies. From cars to the food you eat , soap and shampoo, and the clothes you wear. It all boils down to six companies world wide.
What's going on with the Acura TLX? The Marysville Ohio plant is currently being converted to an EV plant and nothing is coming out of it... Accords are being moved to Indiana for 2025. Will any more 2024 TLX's be made? Or 2025? The end of the TLX?
I love my '19 Legacy. RIP to a real one
Subaru missed a massive opportunity by not going the hybrid route with the legacy (when the plug in Crosstrek hybrid was released, they could have refined the system) and it was a huge missed opportunity in my opinion. i have a 2018 limited legacy and while im not happy about the cars reliability and CVT though all my issues were fixed under warranty, it is as close to a luxury sedan one can purchase without the hefty price tag. there are so many great features, top notch safety rating, excellent visibility, mileage and AWD. love the car otherwise.
if this car had Toyota's E-CVT like the Crosstrek hybrid had (a version of it), i would buy one in a heartbeat. i didn't consider the camry earlier because something or the other was off, but if the forester hybrid doesn't measure up i am going to order the next camry no matter how long i have to wait for it.
You're right. Subaru should've added a Legacy hybrid.
sometimes it´s time to say good bye 😢, the way things are.
Finally I only saw them as company cars lately . I thought they stopped making them about 4 years ago..
I have a 2007 Legacy, I would get 260 miles per tank, it took almost 18 gallons to fill it, it was not a turbo model. The transmission was horrible, if it was raining the remote trunk would not open, just an extra rinse for you.
I think Toyota should step in. Subaru is a valuable brand. And if you lose the boxer I would rather a Toyota power plant.
To make the boxer more reliable is simple. Stronger internals, and dry sump oiling system to maintain oil pressure regardless of angle or cornering lateral G force.
@@AntilleanConfederation I’m a fan despite any flaws. But the future is hybrid drive trains. And Toyota has that experience. My 2015 Legacy has been almost flawless. I think the timing tensioners should be replaced. But it’s so minor at this point I’m keeping on trucking.
This stinks. I like the ground clearence of the legacy. I hate the touch screen.
I would have loved a hybrid legacy.
Can’t remember the last time I saw a legacy or Impreza on the road
I guess you’re blind then if you never see Imprezas. They’re everywhere.
I currently own a 2024 Legacy Premium and i really love it ... I know it gets a lot of hate but it suits my needs better than a camry or Accord would.....
First car was a hand me down 95’ dark blue legacy wagon from my aunt… sad day
I feel like Subaru only does well in particular size segment. No one goes to them for cars or large suvs (probably because they shoved the cvt in Ascent). I feel like a small truck based on the forester is probably a better investment.
Is this only in the US market?
Umm the us market was the last to still have the Legacy everywhere else including Japan already killed it off...
Sedans started going downhill as soon as the first crossovers started coming out. Hard to beat utility with a sedan like ride.
No it was when Ford announced that sedans aren’t profitable enough
@@chezzyperson3339 leave it to Ford to screw everyone over
I will never understand why people buy such large cars or buy too much car that they cant afford. I wish wagons were more payed attention to, but hey, i guess the government convinced the people that its totally normal to drive a vehicle that is larger than a WW2 tank.
Last time I was in the market for a car(2013), I like the idea of the legacy with the all wheel drive but I took if for a test drive and it was an absolute dog and I knew I could not live with it. The sales guy was working me hard but I just walked out.
Sad to see it go, I liked it; and it'll be interesting to see what Mazda does with their 6.
It hurts to see sport cars slowly going away by each year. No more manuals. No more sedans. Just more bland EV's and more SUV's... It very difficult to accept change. I hope in 2050, I would see a cute old "classic" Miata on the road. Just Zooming through EV's...
I’m surprised it hasn’t gone sooner. SUV/CUVs are so much better/practical.
No, they aren’t.
Fingers crossed they bring back the WRX STI on the Impreza platform.
Subaru sundowned the STi division. No more STi’s ever
Subaru saw the new Camry and knew they couldn't compete against that lol
Subaru could've easily upgraded the Legacy like the new Camry and chose not to.
The Legacy and Outback were almost twins for a long time so it seemed kind of redundant to have them both.
Actually they competed in different segments. The Outback was a lifted wagon version of the Legacy.
It’s sad but I get it. I don’t see many brand new Legacys around these days, people aren’t buying the new ones. However all the old ones are still running and are everywhere. I guess Accord, Altima, and Camry are the champions of the midsize sedan segment.
Jokes on you I have a 2024 legacy premium
One CVT less on the road or maybe off road 😉
You understand that almost all Accords and Camrys that will be sold from now on are CVTs too right?
@@cecilthecavetroll9743 Thank God there are other choices ... Cost savings generated by use of CVT not passed on to the consumers is a disease of Subbie, Nissan and Honda .
Maybe there will be a legacy EV in the future a electric suv coupe
Sad- hate seeing another sedan bite the dust.
Subaru still has the WRX although that’s not a family sedan, it’s a sedan regardless
@@Cerby1979 Yes, the WRX is a sedan, but not exactly mid-sized. Hate to see another nameplate fall to all things CUV.
My parents had a BG wagon which I loved to death, and my cousin overseas had a twin turbo BH… Shame on Subaru to let the Legacy die a stagnant death 😡
You forgot BMW/Audi/Mercedes for sedan choices…
My first car was a 93 Legacy L wagon
Yes, Kirk, it could have been an electric Legacy. Since there are so many people into hatchbacks, perhaps it could be a Subaru Legacy Hatchback. Realizing that "Electric Subaru Legacy Hatchback" is a very long name. 😊
One less CVT (Continually Volatile Transmission).
The new Camry is a cvt
You understand that almost all Accords and Camrys that will be sold from now on are CVTs too right?
I love my 92 Legacy!