June, the fact that your son accepts your money, but refuses to associate with you on neutral ground is outrageous and infuriating. That is disrespectful and, frankly, abuse. Stop supporting him immediately, and the money that he's gotten so far is IT. He's already received more than he deserved. If you want to support your granddaughter, set up a trust fund to only be administered for a college education and is safe from your son's greedy grasp.
great idea on the college only stipulation. Add on that she has to take and PASS a critical thinking course before she gets any actual money on top of the college education.
60 years old and still getting spoon fed by mom. That is quite a story indeed. JW or not, mom should have stopped spoon feeding him 40 years ago. Please mom, stop sending him money. When it starts hurting, he will start listening and at least agree to have a conversation.
Mail your son a pair of work boots and a copy of job listings in his local area. His dedication to his faith will be challenged when he can't donate as much as he used to and has to work to fulfill his financial obligations.
Hi June, just so you know, everything you do for him, he will not thank you, he will thank Jehovah for providing. I advise you to let Jehova handle this. If you choose granddaughter, let her have the inheritance only if she reaches a certain level of education.
Is there a way to set it up so that the money is only available if it going towards her education? She might not be able to afford college on her own, so otherwise it might never be available to her.
Especially since he claims to follow the word of god which explicitly says that a man who fails to provide for his family is worse than a person without faith. And obviously he's not providing for his family, his mom is.
As someone who disregarded first half of his life because of WT ( I liked your comment) I can totally see how this can brainwash to rely completely on your relatives who are better of
I left the cult at 22 and am 27 now I still half live of my dad's back but it's different now, I work when I can to contribute and also look after him because of his poor health so it feels like even exchange but I will say with shame I still ask him for money from time to time to support my drug habits
What struck me is she has paid for her son's house and car and has supported him with a monthly payment for 25+ years AND HE CANNOT EVEN LISTEN TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN HER LIFE!!! What a cad!
By continuing to finance him. You're enabling him to practice something you don't believe in. And apparently he has no idea how to be financially responsible for his own debts.
This is the type of thinking I had when I was in the cult - Jehovah is providing me with everything when really it was my parents supporting me. Boy was I stupid and oblivious 😂
If your son is not wiling to have any sort of relationship with you or provide with any emotional or financial support you are not obligated to support him. He's 60 years old. He needs to take responsibility
Please take this advice. Unless your granddaughter wakes up, you should just leave your money to charity. I can guarantee you that a portion of the money you give your son each month is sent to the Watchtower. And if you leave it to your granddaughter, it will still end up in the WT’s bank account. Why would you ever want one single penny of your heard earned money going to cult leaders? You need to stop the financial support immediately. Because your son believes the money is coming from God, not you.
I was going to say exactly this. Having no children of my own(or a partner for that matter), it was wise of me to set up my will in this manner. The Watchtower will not see a penny. Furthermore I wouldn't even hire or buy anything from a Jehovahs' Witness person or company as ultimately part of it would fund the Watchtower.
She can set it up with a lawyer to give her granddaughter exact amounts at exact times, and it will not become WT's property unless the granddaughter gives it.
If his mother had been a baptized publisher and then left because she came to realize the organization is nothing more than a cult he would disown her and shun her.
Time to cut the son off completely. As for the granddaughter put your estate in trust for her with explicit rules ie: can only be used for higher education and that only the trustee can make payments directly to the university. Set a time period and if she doesn't follow your rules, then every single penny goes to charity.
Why should a son inherit if this inheritance serves the interests of a sect that breaks family ties? It would be ironic and sad to hear the son who inherits say that it is by the hand of Jehovah.
Lloyd I totally agree with what you've said, my wife and I are ex JWs and we have been speaking about something very similar within our family, I hope this lady can find some peace in whatever her decision is. My wife and I have come to a conclusion about the difficult decision and we will have the last laugh and someone within our family will be extremely disappointed.
Well, to be blunt, these two have both contributed to this weird problem. That he would have been accepting money for the past 40 years is mind-boggling and says quite a lot about his character. He's a leech. Probably has convinced himself it is owed to him. And Mom, what the hell, Mom?! You're just now even considering turning off the faucet? Again, 40 years too late. You've kind of created the monster at this stage. All of this, especially given the fact that he limits what kind of relationship he will even have with his mother. This is a very odd situation. Just to throw it out there, I would also accept any inheritance that may need a home.
I say stop supporting him. I’m a mother of two sons in their 20s and I would never. Let “Jehovah” take care of him. I’m in Contra Costa County, I know Marin very well. Take care June. ❤
Hello! Exactly. June's generosity is going to be misappropriated as God's blessing, while in all honesty, we're talking about a spoiled indulgent grownup being cruelly indifferent to his means of support. Horrifying. She needs to let him feel what God's generosity really feels like.
I would caveat that with, my family has occasionally needed help every once and a while especially if they're in a transitional phase of life. It's worth helping your kids to get on their feet when they need it but it's not something where I'm still feeding them from my silver spoon for 40 YEARS on. Helping buy shoes or clothing because the money is tight is one thing, subsidizing their religious beliefs when they should have looked toward their own self sufficiency (as most JW seem to do) is another. They have made choices that will make the end of their lives hell, and unfortunately, their daughters life if she doesn't crack on with legal counsel and boundaries now.
ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, AND RELIGIOUS FANATICISM ARE WORTHLESS AND USELESS COMPARED TO THE VALUE AND WORTH OF THE BIBLE ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS - rejected the Creator as worthless and useless, not worthy and deserving to be honored and obeyed as the The Most High and Sovereign God. CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS, BUDDHISTS, HINDUS, all FANATICS OF ALL RELIGIONS - rejected the BIBLICAL authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as worthless and useless and preach instead the UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines of their anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders about "Hellfire", "Trinity", "Armageddon", "Rapture", and "Reincarnation". ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS, MUSLIMS, HINDUS, etc. DON'T KNOW - 1. that their mockeries, opposition and rejection of the Creator's Sovereignty and the BIBLICAL authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will just result in their own sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever like what happened to Adam and Eve, the first worshippers of Satan the Devil. 2. that believers of the Christ's BIBLICAL teaching about the "Kingdom of God" will fully enjoy the love, kindness, compassion, generosity, favors, and blessings of the Creator for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" under the loving rulership and guidance of Jesus Christ, the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth. 3. that worshippers of the Creator and believers of the Christ's BIBLICAL teaching about the "Resurrection of the Dead" who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own good time.
If the lady wants a little bit of hope regarding her granddaughter, literally all of my friends and acquaintances, who are now in their early to mid-thirties, that were born into jw families, including myself, have all left the organization. We grew up, matured, realized we were being taught lies, and finally couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore. It's very possible her granddaughter could wake up, given time.
I will bequeath him and my grandchildren with a caveat that they write letters of disassociation. Once they return to the borg, the inheritance goes to a named person or charity.
Omg! Don’t feel bad about this! Stop giving him money!!! This is soooo wrong! He should be caring for you!!! First of all; you are in some way giving this money to watchtower . Him getting an allowance only permits him to contribute more time and money to watchtower. If he would have to work like most of us do, I’m pretty sure his lifestyle would change! He wouldn’t have time to give to watchtower ! Plus; when one day , they pass away doesn’t mean this money (house) car material goods will go to your grand daughter ! I know lots of JW who will leave most of their inheritance to The watchtower. Which is really sad! 😢.
What a guy, accepting an 'allowance' but not a conversation from the person distributing the allowance. If anyone should be supporting the other, its the SON supporting the mother. This cult destroys families and robs members of their humanity and this is evidence of that.
I'm reminded of a scene in the second men in black movie when the two lead characters went to see a guy, about a VHS tape and its contents, living in his mother's attic. Will Smith's character says to the guy living the attic, "Oh, and one more thing, move your bum ass out of your mom's place. You're like 40 years old." This 40-year-old guy was taking advantage of his mother so that he could continue to devote most or all of his time to his conspiracy stuff. That's sort of like this situation, this woman's son is in her house, in the financial sense, and at the age of her son he should not need to do that. As Lloyd said, that by that age you would think that he would have his shit together. I do hope that things end up working out and looking up for her. Thanks for a great video, Mr. Lloyd Evans.
Are JWs taught to be selfish? Take her money but not her advice? Take her money but not show compassion towards her? Take her money but show her no love? Take, take, take, take.
Hold him hostage no more money. What kind of man takes money from his mother. Let him feel the full effect of being a JW with no money. He is never going to change and be a proper son to you
He never ever would have been able to be a happy healthy JW without his mother’s financial support. If the elders in his congregation knew he was living off an apostate they would likely disassociate him. Unless he’s supporting the KH. A good estate lawyer can file a will for the grandchild requiring the funds only be used for college & ensure the org doesn’t get any of it if that’s something she wants to do. Yes, this is utterly hypocritical, just as Lloyd said.
Hi June, my heart goes out to you. By sending him money you are perpetuating his fairytale bubble. He should've face real life decades ago, like any of us. He should be living the life he chose with the good the bad and the ugly, not at Mom's expense. Your responsibility ended 40 years ago, now you need your finances to care for the rest of YOUR life, since he's not physically close to help you. If you wish you may assist him in case of emergency (medical bill or medicine) but definitely not permanently. That's my opinion as a daughter who never accepted a dollar from mom or dad, if anything I've proudly & willingly provided for them when needed. Sending you a big hug!!
Yes why do you support these people and they ignore you like that? Just treat me like I’m dead and I reward you with paying for your stuff. Doesn’t matter if he’s your only child he doesn’t act like your child. Do you have to understand they look at you and thinking you’re going to die in Armageddon.
So basically he got a free ride his entire life and used his mom's money to live the carefree jw lifestyle lol Mom has been his enabler his whole life she might as well finish the story.
Now that's a mother's love right there. I also worry about my 6 year old daughter being trapped in this cult because her mom took her. But I don't think I'll be caring that much when she reaches that advanced age and is still unable to wake up. I share Lloyd's sentiments here.
I have the same thing in my life my daughters are similar age to yours I come away from the religion but the kids still go with there mum I have had counselling for many months and has learned me to be at peace with it as best I can
My thoughts: Set aside a portion of the money for the granddaughter to be used strictly for a college education. Set aside the rest for when she graduates.
Make it so the trust fund can only be accessed by them when they decide to leave the organization. Or like mentioned above when the granddaughter gets a college or university degree.
As someone who is trying to deconstruct from all the JW teachings, I find it challenging to figure out how I should be financially independent/be comfortable talking about money since that cult does not teach you about money whatsoever. They always said that money doesn’t matter and not to focus on material things. Those JWs didn’t like the idea of me going to college and wanted me to get baptized and be in the full-time ministry instead.
If i were the caller, I'd be careful not to continue to enable her son. He probably spends so much time in service, meetings and with JW activities that he is not earning his financial potential by working full time. He is probably only working part-time and wasting the rest of his time in JW land. The caller could leave her estate to the grandchild provided the grandchild leaves Watchtower . If the grandchild never leaves Watchtower, the estate could be passed on to any great-grandchildren that are not JW by a certain age. If none of those conditions are met, then the money could go to charity. Yes, she could become very creative with how she writes up her will.
If he is 60 and living in a Latin American country, then it should be easier to get work/a job than it is in the United States. Because they still hire hands on labor in those countries, as in the United States we got rid of a lot of labor jobs. He can be a painter, a writer, restaurant worker, a dish washer, a school cross guard ect...
He is American born and obviously he can speak English because is his native languague, he can work in call center and make 500 to 800 US dollars at month. And have a decent life (at least with not such material stuff), call centers actually pay more than hospitals pay doctors in Central American countries. He has no need to get dirty with soil, he just a moron!
A witness will take, take , take. Emotional support is most important, and you’re yearning for that. In a round about way , Mom.. you have been supporting the JW and their organization. Whether he donates some of what you give him… IT will be given to the org. Giving him $ is supporting his life and ministry. Therefore, all his focus is just on that. Your kind to have the means to do so.. but in the long run you are losing. Remember, money can’t buy love. Betcha, when and if you stop the flow of $ to him… he will be in contact. Him being sustained monetarily, is promoting his behavior. If need be.. wean him off of that supply, and tell him you are doing more things for yourself.. ❤️
Supporting a grown family man of that age is disgusting, cut off his finances immediately, you’ll get no thanks either way from this bludger. Save the money you would have given your son and treat yourself a lovely holiday and a few luxuries.
The son disgusts me, he takes his mother's money but doesn't respect her. Why has the mother been funding his life, that is a stupid move in my opinion, i would have left him to his own devices and i bet he would soon take heed of her?
I would love for June to tell her son that she is donating to various ex-JW causes and therefore can't afford to send him money monthly. On a side note, it looks like June had him when she was 17. I hope that he hasn't been a drain all of her adult life.
After reading the title, I thought this would be about a son in his 20s...my jaw hit the floor when I heard he was 60. My heart is broken for this sweet mother. (PS I'm patiently waiting,hoping you found my voice-mail useful 🙈)
I would say it’s not cruel disinheriting your son because if he’s been getting money the past 25 years he’s already gotten his inheritance. I get you would do anything for your kids but part of being loving is giving them independence. How will he cope if he does get left the money and it runs out how will he cope then?!? As soon as I was able to work my JW parents told me the time of being a kid was over and it was time to learn to live in the real world. I never got any handouts from them afterwards. Even had to pay my own way if we went out to family dinner.
I agree. June should think about some charities that are near and dear to her. She can then send them the monthly equivalent of what she’s currently sending to her son and/or bequeath her estate to them instead. That will her some pleasure.
You Are a amazing and strong women ! your voice and your actions confirm that. sorry that your son has been brain washed and now is a dummy but your grandchild may have a chance and if they wake up they'll inherit w.e ... ....much love 😊
Sorry, but how on earth do the lady's actions suggest strength or merit praiseworthiness, the exact opposite I would suggest. She has unthinkingly contributed not only to her son's sloth, but knowingly through him to a disgusting cult and the intellectual abuse of her grandchild.
A testamentary trust is a great way to leave money to someone young that can even be set up in a way that allows for someone to inherit on the grounds they use the money for something like, further studies, down-payment on a house, etc. A testamentary trust can be setup by way of a will so that after you pass, a trust will be setup, and rules of the trust, beneficiaries and trustees can be set up.
One thing that was not mentioned is that the JW organization encourages its members to will their estates to 'further the preaching work'. So while your money you provide to your son almost assuredly gets donated to the organization, it is quite possible that when he makes out his will, a good portion of it, or perhaps all of it, will go to the JW organization and not to your grandchild. When my mom died, most of her estate, houses included, was willed to JW, and a small amount was split between me and my 2 siblings. It kinda hurt to have my mom give away a house to a greedy religion when she knew her son is homeless and poor. But there's more...I felt sorry for my nephew that was struggling and didn't get anything, so I gave him a couple thousand dollars (out of my 50 thousand) which he promptly declared it 'a blessing from Jehovah' and donated to the organization. So keep in mind that whatever you leave a firm believer will more than likely fill the cofferes of a religion that breaks families apart. I sympathize with your predicament and hope you can find a solution that works for you.
BTW, my idea would be to set aside a collage fund for your grandchild and then stipulate that she inherits the full amount after graduating. Otherwise she may never get an education, critical thought skills or be exposed to any ideas other than what the Governing Body invents.
June had given birth to her son when she was still a teenager I presume. I don't know what her family life was like, but I imagine she had to work extremely hard to provide for herself and her child when she became an adult. Hopefully she did receive some help from good family members, friends or relatives until she was able to be able to look after herself and her son sufficiently. I think it's very generous of her to have shared so much of her financial prosperity with her son and his family. I presume that he is able to work and might have a fulltime job, can live on his own and can take care of himself. That seems to be the case I assume. He owns his own house and vehicle, though his mother paid for it. Still though, I do feel sorry for June because I can't help but wonder as to how much he might take advantage of his mother in the worst way. He converted to the Jehovah's Witness faith at 19 years of age. He was still living at his mother's home. Apparently, June expressed concern to him about him possibly still waiting for Armageddon to come when he turned 40. He's now 60 and Armageddon still hasn't come. I don't know if he was able to attend college at any time, but how tragic would it be if he had that chance and turned down that opportunity for a full scholarship or something like that? The Watchtower Society discourages members from pursuing lives of extravagant materialism if they are able to achieve such a way of living. Here's an example: do you think Katherine Jackson, the JW mother of pop star singers Michael and Janet Jackson, leads a simplistic life? No, she leads and has led a life of extravagant wealth and privilege because of her adult children, not in spite of them. She may have helped Michael manage his singing career in the 1980s somewhat. Her husband worked as her sons' manager when they performed together as part of THE JACKSON 5 during their childhood years, but she was largely a homemaker, a stay-at-home mother and housewife for many years (not that there is anything wrong with being a homemaker, a housewife or a stay-at-home mom just so you know--if you're able to do that, perhaps have a backup plan in case in doesn't work out and your family agrees to that arrangement and that is what you personally want to do; even if you're a man and you want and are able to be a homemaker and a stay-at-home dad, that's fine too). Katherine once worked parttime at a SEARS department store before her kids became famous, wealthy celebrities. I think it's incredibly generous that Michael left so much money to his mother and I'm sure Janet might share her money with her family. Michael and Janet's other siblings might share their money with their relatives, and Michael's kids probably share their money with their family too. To be fair, whatever large amounts of money Rebbie or Michael's brothers have earned from doing whatever outside of occasional performances after the breakup of THE JACKSON 5, I can only guess. My point is: has Katherine ever once expressed gratitude towards her adult kids for sharing their millions of dollars with her which have been providing her with a life of such wealth and privilege for so many years? Her children don't owe her anything. She conceived them, chose to carry all of her pregnancies to term and chose to raise them; they did not ask to be born. The Jackson siblings sacrificed their childhood for fame and wealth. Their being raised as JWs probably made the transition from a lower middle-class working family to overnight pop music sensations a very difficult and confusing time for them. I think it may have further complicated matters. Not to mention, Joseph Walter Jackson, their father, a lifelong non-JW was seemingly rather abusive towards his children. They seem to downplay or outright make excuses for his behavior. Katherine on the other hand seems to live in a state of denial and downplays or seemingly excuses his behavior. People have said that if it wasn't for Joseph, the family wouldn't be where they are now, and how do you know that? Did Joseph ever thank his children for what they did for him during his life? It's not a child's job to support their family financially and materially when they're growing up. It shouldn't be a responsibility that falls on their shoulders. Sometimes children have to help out with family finances, that is true, but a child shouldn't have to be the breadwinner. In regard to June's situation, June's son is a grown-ass man who sounds like a person who might be able to care for and might be able to provide for himself and his family. He should, as Lloyd says, have his shit together at 60 years old. I think it might be a good idea for June to invest her money in charitable causes that are important to her. At least some of the money she might have bequeathed to her granddaughter might end up going into the Watchtower Society's hands. No doubt her son must have given some of that money that she gave him to the Society. I agree that since June's son is serving as an Elder at his JW congregation, he's probably lectured his congregants on not pursuing a life of materialism when he has probably been doing the opposite. He gets to experience a life of some privilege thanks to the kind generosity of his non-Witness mother. Studies have indicated that JWs in North America are some of the most poverty-stricken religious people in that country, and no doubt, the Society's discouragement of attending higher education or pursuing a high-demand job that pays well but diverts time away from their religious activities, certainly does not help in that regard. Has June's son ever thanked his mother for sharing her wealth with him? I know that June must love and worry about her son a great deal, but I also don't want him to take advantage of her for all that she must do to help him out.
I would love to know a follow up on this, hopefully June will drop in a voice mail and let us know what route she decided to choose regarding the matter
If your only child does not respect your wellbeing he does not deserve your financial help. If my mom would support me and my family for 20+ year’s i would kiss her feet and carry her on my hands (even without financial help it’s his mom).
Cut. Him. Off. Your money only enables the cult, and he has no respect for you. Besides that, I guarantee that he credits his comfort and good fortune to God, and not to your generosity.
Send your granddaughter to college that is probably an option that she never thought she could have the opportunity to do. And if she refuses to accept it for college then maybe your wheel can say it can be for the great grand children
There's a part of me that feels compassion for those JWs that are still mentally in. Being compassionate here was very hard. A son shunning a mother that still supports him financially to be in a cult that makes him shun his own mother...is horrific and deeply sad.
I do know a JW family where five children are from their early 50s and early 40s. Three of them still live with their parents who are in their 70s, but I’m sure they rent since they work. They’re elders I think. It’s so ironic how the elder’s mom told me to find my own place when I get older when she literally is living with her 50 something y/o son and in-laws lol. I also know a JW family who has five children who are at the age range from their early 40s, late 30s, and the youngest being in mid 20s. They all live in one roof with their parents who are in their late 60s. Two of them are married and their husbands also live in that roof, and one of them has two children as well. So there are 11 of them. I’m sure they all pay for their expenses. I guess it just depends on the culture you live in.
Outside with him…I would never. He needs to stand on his own 2 feet. The nerve of him, taking money from his mother. I cut my JW parents out because I get no emotional support from them.
It's easy for others to say, "Cut him off he's an adult!" He's still your baby. However, if he's treating you like a bank account and not a loved one that can definitely make your choice easier. I'd be tempted to have some conversations about "Jehovah providing everything you need. " There's a lot we don't know about your situation but I hope you get some kind of healthy relationship with your son. I thinking Lloyd gave you some great advice and I'd love an update as well!
He is not a adult though is he if he is a 60 year old man . He is breaking one of the rules of a Christian from Corinthians a scripture he loves to quote no doubt. About sinner's and one of them is providing for your own family but he will obviously just miss that bit out and concentrate on the fornicators idolaters and drunkards Yes that's how many JW Elders operate picking and choosing what suits them . In the UK it's called being a free loader .
A trust fund for the granddaughter's COLLEGE education is a great idea. The sin is old enough to stop being a sponge and figure out how to support his choices.
I have known of soooo many Elders that roam the Halls as head honcho.....but in the real world JOBS,PAYING BILLS ETC.....they're carrying life as little children as far as not handling responsibility in real life!
I personally would not give your son any more $. If he can't be supportive of you and genuinely love you unconditionally, it is not real love. I've seen this religion be so conditional about who or what they can love that it is just fake. He doesn't deserve to have you support him as it just is benefitting Watchtower.
this is classic enabling of immaturity. You are doing your son no favours by babying him. Also remember that JWs not only have a persecution complex, they also have a "blessing" complex: They persuade themselves that Jehovah can use any means to bring blessings to his faithful ones, even "worldly" people and relatives. Then after he's used them, he will kill them in Armageddon. Your son probably thinks it;s ok to use you, since the god he worships is giving him permission through this greedy and psychotic teaching. He probably won't feel he has to be grateful, its ok to just take what he can get, and he won't thank you, he'll likely thank Jehovah for using you to bless him for his faith. Like I said, you're not doing him any favours, this religion teaches people how to be users, it's so unhealthy.
It is clear that JWs only help and care for other active JWs, they do not follow Jesus’ teaching on Matthew 25:35. They are taught that preaching is their only focus. What merit is it to love only your own? Preaching door to door is not enough, way more is required, including loving and caring for your own mother.
June may be able to leave part of the money in a trust to pay for post-secondary education (the money would be managed by a third party and paid directly to the educational institutions) for her grand-daughter, then leave the rest to an appropriate charity. She needs to talk to an estate-planning lawyer.
Let go June. Your son has his own life. Why are you supporting him? If it is money you give as a gift out of the goodness of your heart then you wouldn't expect the gifts to sway him as to whether he listens to you. As to expecting emotional support from your son who is brainwashed and in a dangerous cult; please try to meet someone who you have commonalities with to fill that need.
Develop more friendships through church, Rotary Club, Lions Club, hospital volunteering, tutoring kids in ppublic schools, social or environmental activism, dancing groups at recreation centers, senior center, governmental public service groups, knitting or craft groups, museum or zoo volunteers or other hands on chances to meet others. Best wishes.
Complete side note: Does it drive anyone else crazy when people don’t say it correctly? 😂 “Jehovah Witness” (don’t get me wrong, this cult drives me crazy but I guess growing up in it and hearing it said incorrectly since day 1 is cringey)
My opinion only bc the bottom line it's ur decision. Lawyers, Lawyers, Lawyers U can't buy love U can't buy respect. When u make ur decision get therapy. Bc u will be changing 60 yrs of emotional support, financial support, and mental support. At first it will hurt. U will even question yourself if u did the right thing. That's why outside help with qualified professional is worth more than gold. And get a support group . I'm not going to say one word about your elder son. So my prayers are with you.
He should be trusting in Jehovah to supply his needs... right? Cut him off financially ASAP!
June, the fact that your son accepts your money, but refuses to associate with you on neutral ground is outrageous and infuriating. That is disrespectful and, frankly, abuse. Stop supporting him immediately, and the money that he's gotten so far is IT. He's already received more than he deserved. If you want to support your granddaughter, set up a trust fund to only be administered for a college education and is safe from your son's greedy grasp.
Yeah it's a disgraceful way to act to his mother
great idea on the college only stipulation. Add on that she has to take and PASS a critical thinking course before she gets any actual money on top of the college education.
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She should make it so that her granddaughter can only access the money if she gets a college degree.
I like this suggestion a lot!
Uuh, that's a good one!
Great suggestion!
Yes this a great idea, coz she can't do it and if she does just to get the money, maybe she wake up once she studying...
Save the money and use it to solve the problems you mentioned.
60 years old and still getting spoon fed by mom. That is quite a story indeed.
JW or not, mom should have stopped spoon feeding him 40 years ago.
Please mom, stop sending him money. When it starts hurting, he will start listening and at least agree to have a conversation.
Mail your son a pair of work boots and a copy of job listings in his local area. His dedication to his faith will be challenged when he can't donate as much as he used to and has to work to fulfill his financial obligations.
Hi June, just so you know, everything you do for him, he will not thank you, he will thank Jehovah for providing.
I advise you to let Jehova handle this.
If you choose granddaughter, let her have the inheritance only if she reaches a certain level of education.
cool advice from you: the granddaughter should do what Jehovah's Witnesses condemn - get a higher education. Bravo!
Is there a way to set it up so that the money is only available if it going towards her education? She might not be able to afford college on her own, so otherwise it might never be available to her.
I'm so sorry for this lady. And when I say that this cult destroys families, some people think I'm exaggerating.
What self respecting man accepts his mom supporting his family at 60 for 24 years? Have some shame man 🤦.
Watchtower elders who have no self respect.
Especially since he claims to follow the word of god which explicitly says that a man who fails to provide for his family is worse than a person without faith. And obviously he's not providing for his family, his mom is.
I'm betting that he has been saying all these years that it's a "blessing from Jehovah".
As someone who disregarded first half of his life because of WT ( I liked your comment) I can totally see how this can brainwash to rely completely on your relatives who are better of
I left the cult at 22 and am 27 now I still half live of my dad's back but it's different now, I work when I can to contribute and also look after him because of his poor health so it feels like even exchange but I will say with shame I still ask him for money from time to time to support my drug habits
What struck me is she has paid for her son's house and car and has supported him with a monthly payment for 25+ years AND HE CANNOT EVEN LISTEN TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN HER LIFE!!! What a cad!
He needs a smacked bum.
Spoilt, disrespectful & ungrateful.
By continuing to finance him. You're enabling him to practice something you don't believe in. And apparently he has no idea how to be financially responsible for his own debts.
She's been supporting him but he probably says it's god providing for him
This is the type of thinking I had when I was in the cult - Jehovah is providing me with everything when really it was my parents supporting me. Boy was I stupid and oblivious 😂
If your son is not wiling to have any sort of relationship with you or provide with any emotional or financial support you are not obligated to support him. He's 60 years old. He needs to take responsibility
Please take this advice. Unless your granddaughter wakes up, you should just leave your money to charity. I can guarantee you that a portion of the money you give your son each month is sent to the Watchtower. And if you leave it to your granddaughter, it will still end up in the WT’s bank account. Why would you ever want one single penny of your heard earned money going to cult leaders? You need to stop the financial support immediately. Because your son believes the money is coming from God, not you.
I was going to say exactly this. Having no children of my own(or a partner for that matter), it was wise of me to set up my will in this manner. The Watchtower will not see a penny. Furthermore I wouldn't even hire or buy anything from a Jehovahs' Witness person or company as ultimately part of it would fund the Watchtower.
Oh yeah, that's so true
She can set it up with a lawyer to give her granddaughter exact amounts at exact times, and it will not become WT's property unless the granddaughter gives it.
If his mother had been a baptized publisher and then left because she came to realize the organization is nothing more than a cult he would disown her and shun her.
I feel sure he would still take her money. He's a deadbeat, and she's enabled him for 24 years.
Your the most beautiful mum and he doesn't deserve you . ❤ My jw mum and dad made sure I was gone by 15 years to fend for myself .
Time to cut the son off completely. As for the granddaughter put your estate in trust for her with explicit rules ie: can only be used for higher education and that only the trustee can make payments directly to the university. Set a time period and if she doesn't follow your rules, then every single penny goes to charity.
The part that kills me, is June's generosity is going to be written off as "Jehovah's blessing his service".
Cut that brat off right now.
Why should a son inherit if this inheritance serves the interests of a sect that breaks family ties? It would be ironic and sad to hear the son who inherits say that it is by the hand of Jehovah.
Good, let Jehooooovah take care of him.
Give it to people that appreciate you.
I know you love your son but No more allowance for him. He is a grown man. Tell him to ask Watchtower for an allowance. He loves them.
Agreed. Let him ask the Watxhtower for support and watch the disappointment when he gets nothing.
Lloyd I totally agree with what you've said, my wife and I are ex JWs and we have been speaking about something very similar within our family, I hope this lady can find some peace in whatever her decision is. My wife and I have come to a conclusion about the difficult decision and we will have the last laugh and someone within our family will be extremely disappointed.
Well, to be blunt, these two have both contributed to this weird problem. That he would have been accepting money for the past 40 years is mind-boggling and says quite a lot about his character. He's a leech. Probably has convinced himself it is owed to him. And Mom, what the hell, Mom?! You're just now even considering turning off the faucet? Again, 40 years too late. You've kind of created the monster at this stage. All of this, especially given the fact that he limits what kind of relationship he will even have with his mother. This is a very odd situation. Just to throw it out there, I would also accept any inheritance that may need a home.
Love it the reversals of rolls, who's shunning who!
I say stop supporting him. I’m a mother of two sons in their 20s and I would never. Let “Jehovah” take care of him. I’m in Contra Costa County, I know Marin very well. Take care June. ❤
Hello! Exactly. June's generosity is going to be misappropriated as God's blessing, while in all honesty, we're talking about a spoiled indulgent grownup being cruelly indifferent to his means of support. Horrifying. She needs to let him feel what God's generosity really feels like.
I would caveat that with, my family has occasionally needed help every once and a while especially if they're in a transitional phase of life. It's worth helping your kids to get on their feet when they need it but it's not something where I'm still feeding them from my silver spoon for 40 YEARS on. Helping buy shoes or clothing because the money is tight is one thing, subsidizing their religious beliefs when they should have looked toward their own self sufficiency (as most JW seem to do) is another. They have made choices that will make the end of their lives hell, and unfortunately, their daughters life if she doesn't crack on with legal counsel and boundaries now.
As an ex-mormon who went through the same thing in the LDS church I hope this lady found the courage to let him go and for good.
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Ah yes, the cult cousins
@@Alansworstnight absolutely
…and you know they don’t let her have a real relationship with her grandchildren.
If the lady wants a little bit of hope regarding her granddaughter, literally all of my friends and acquaintances, who are now in their early to mid-thirties, that were born into jw families, including myself, have all left the organization. We grew up, matured, realized we were being taught lies, and finally couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore. It's very possible her granddaughter could wake up, given time.
I will bequeath him and my grandchildren with a caveat that they write letters of disassociation. Once they return to the borg, the inheritance goes to a named person or charity.
Omg! Don’t feel bad about this! Stop giving him money!!! This is soooo wrong! He should be caring for you!!!
First of all; you are in some way giving this money to watchtower . Him getting an allowance only permits him to contribute more time and money to watchtower. If he would have to work like most of us do, I’m pretty sure his lifestyle would change! He wouldn’t have time to give to watchtower ! Plus; when one day , they pass away doesn’t mean this money (house) car material goods will go to your grand daughter ! I know lots of JW who will leave most of their inheritance to The watchtower. Which is really sad! 😢.
What a guy, accepting an 'allowance' but not a conversation from the person distributing the allowance. If anyone should be supporting the other, its the SON supporting the mother. This cult destroys families and robs members of their humanity and this is evidence of that.
I'm reminded of a scene in the second men in black movie when the two lead characters went to see a guy, about a VHS tape and its contents, living in his mother's attic. Will Smith's character says to the guy living the attic, "Oh, and one more thing, move your bum ass out of your mom's place. You're like 40 years old." This 40-year-old guy was taking advantage of his mother so that he could continue to devote most or all of his time to his conspiracy stuff. That's sort of like this situation, this woman's son is in her house, in the financial sense, and at the age of her son he should not need to do that. As Lloyd said, that by that age you would think that he would have his shit together. I do hope that things end up working out and looking up for her. Thanks for a great video, Mr. Lloyd Evans.
Are JWs taught to be selfish? Take her money but not her advice? Take her money but not show compassion towards her? Take her money but show her no love? Take, take, take, take.
Her situation is very similiar to me. I totally understand her frustrations and sorrows.
Hold him hostage no more money. What kind of man takes money from his mother. Let him feel the full effect of being a JW with no money. He is never going to change and be a proper son to
you
June, you sound like 47. Congratulations.
He never ever would have been able to be a happy healthy JW without his mother’s financial support. If the elders in his congregation knew he was living off an apostate they would likely disassociate him. Unless he’s supporting the KH.
A good estate lawyer can file a will for the grandchild requiring the funds only be used for college & ensure the org doesn’t get any of it if that’s something she wants to do.
Yes, this is utterly hypocritical, just as Lloyd said.
Hi June, my heart goes out to you. By sending him money you are perpetuating his fairytale bubble. He should've face real life decades ago, like any of us. He should be living the life he chose with the good the bad and the ugly, not at Mom's expense. Your responsibility ended 40 years ago, now you need your finances to care for the rest of YOUR life, since he's not physically close to help you. If you wish you may assist him in case of emergency (medical bill or medicine) but definitely not permanently. That's my opinion as a daughter who never accepted a dollar from mom or dad, if anything I've proudly & willingly provided for them when needed. Sending you a big hug!!
Yes why do you support these people and they ignore you like that? Just treat me like I’m dead and I reward you with paying for your stuff. Doesn’t matter if he’s your only child he doesn’t act like your child. Do you have to understand they look at you and thinking you’re going to die in Armageddon.
So basically he got a free ride his entire life and used his mom's money to live the carefree jw lifestyle lol
Mom has been his enabler his whole life she might as well finish the story.
Now that's a mother's love right there.
I also worry about my 6 year old daughter being trapped in this cult because her mom took her. But I don't think I'll be caring that much when she reaches that advanced age and is still unable to wake up. I share Lloyd's sentiments here.
I have the same thing in my life my daughters are similar age to yours I come away from the religion but the kids still go with there mum I have had counselling for many months and has learned me to be at peace with it as best I can
My thoughts:
Set aside a portion of the money for the granddaughter to be used strictly for a college education. Set aside the rest for when she graduates.
Make it so the trust fund can only be accessed by them when they decide to leave the organization. Or like mentioned above when the granddaughter gets a college or university degree.
As someone who is trying to deconstruct from all the JW teachings, I find it challenging to figure out how I should be financially independent/be comfortable talking about money since that cult does not teach you about money whatsoever. They always said that money doesn’t matter and not to focus on material things. Those JWs didn’t like the idea of me going to college and wanted me to get baptized and be in the full-time ministry instead.
If i were the caller, I'd be careful not to continue to enable her son. He probably spends so much time in service, meetings and with JW activities that he is not earning his financial potential by working full time. He is probably only working part-time and wasting the rest of his time in JW land.
The caller could leave her estate to the grandchild provided the grandchild leaves Watchtower . If the grandchild never leaves Watchtower, the estate could be passed on to any great-grandchildren that are not JW by a certain age. If none of those conditions are met, then the money could go to charity.
Yes, she could become very creative with how she writes up her will.
I would be ashamed to leach of my mum at 60. As a mother you have to let your callous son sink or swim.He is an adult.
If he is 60 and living in a Latin American country, then it should be easier to get work/a job than it is in the United States. Because they still hire hands on labor in those countries, as in the United States we got rid of a lot of labor jobs. He can be a painter, a writer, restaurant worker, a dish washer, a school cross guard ect...
He is American born and obviously he can speak English because is his native languague, he can work in call center and make 500 to 800 US dollars at month. And have a decent life (at least with not such material stuff), call centers actually pay more than hospitals pay doctors in Central American countries. He has no need to get dirty with soil, he just a moron!
A witness will take, take , take. Emotional support is most important, and you’re yearning for that. In a round about way , Mom.. you have been supporting the JW and their organization. Whether he donates some of what you give him… IT will be given to the org. Giving him $ is supporting his life and ministry. Therefore, all his focus is just on that. Your kind to have the means to do so.. but in the long run you are losing. Remember, money can’t buy love. Betcha, when and if you stop the flow of $ to him… he will be in contact. Him being sustained monetarily, is promoting his behavior. If need be.. wean him off of that supply, and tell him you are doing more things for yourself.. ❤️
Supporting a grown family man of that age is disgusting, cut off his finances immediately, you’ll get no thanks either way from this bludger. Save the money you would have given your son and treat yourself a lovely holiday and a few luxuries.
The son disgusts me, he takes his mother's money but doesn't respect her. Why has the mother been funding his life, that is a stupid move in my opinion, i would have left him to his own devices and i bet he would soon take heed of her?
Disinherit? She's been enabling him. She needs to stop.
I would love for June to tell her son that she is donating to various ex-JW causes and therefore can't afford to send him money monthly. On a side note, it looks like June had him when she was 17. I hope that he hasn't been a drain all of her adult life.
June, you owe your son nothing. He owes you nearly everything.
After reading the title, I thought this would be about a son in his 20s...my jaw hit the floor when I heard he was 60. My heart is broken for this sweet mother.
(PS I'm patiently waiting,hoping you found my voice-mail useful 🙈)
I would say it’s not cruel disinheriting your son because if he’s been getting money the past 25 years he’s already gotten his inheritance. I get you would do anything for your kids but part of being loving is giving them independence. How will he cope if he does get left the money and it runs out how will he cope then?!? As soon as I was able to work my JW parents told me the time of being a kid was over and it was time to learn to live in the real world. I never got any handouts from them afterwards. Even had to pay my own way if we went out to family dinner.
I agree. June should think about some charities that are near and dear to her. She can then send them the monthly equivalent of what she’s currently sending to her son and/or bequeath her estate to them instead. That will her some pleasure.
Give your money to Lloyd’s UTube broadcast for all those who need to listen!
You Are a amazing and strong women ! your voice and your actions confirm that. sorry that your son has been brain washed and now is a dummy but your grandchild may have a chance and if they wake up they'll inherit w.e ... ....much love 😊
Sorry, but how on earth do the lady's actions suggest strength or merit praiseworthiness, the exact opposite I would suggest. She has unthinkingly contributed not only to her son's sloth, but knowingly through him to a disgusting cult and the intellectual abuse of her grandchild.
A testamentary trust is a great way to leave money to someone young that can even be set up in a way that allows for someone to inherit on the grounds they use the money for something like, further studies, down-payment on a house, etc.
A testamentary trust can be setup by way of a will so that after you pass, a trust will be setup, and rules of the trust, beneficiaries and trustees can be set up.
One thing that was not mentioned is that the JW organization encourages its members to will their estates to 'further the preaching work'. So while your money you provide to your son almost assuredly gets donated to the organization, it is quite possible that when he makes out his will, a good portion of it, or perhaps all of it, will go to the JW organization and not to your grandchild.
When my mom died, most of her estate, houses included, was willed to JW, and a small amount was split between me and my 2 siblings.
It kinda hurt to have my mom give away a house to a greedy religion when she knew her son is homeless and poor.
But there's more...I felt sorry for my nephew that was struggling and didn't get anything, so I gave him a couple thousand dollars (out of my 50 thousand) which he promptly declared it 'a blessing from Jehovah' and donated to the organization.
So keep in mind that whatever you leave a firm believer will more than likely fill the cofferes of a religion that breaks families apart.
I sympathize with your predicament and hope you can find a solution that works for you.
BTW, my idea would be to set aside a collage fund for your grandchild and then stipulate that she inherits the full amount after graduating. Otherwise she may never get an education, critical thought skills or be exposed to any ideas other than what the Governing Body invents.
Disinherit him, and donate the money to help the homeless to make this Earh a happier place.Justin porter ex jw
I cannot believe a 60 year old man is getting an allowance from his mother! He almost qualifies for Medicare, she owes him nothing.
June had given birth to her son when she was still a teenager I presume. I don't know what her family life was like, but I imagine she had to work extremely hard to provide for herself and her child when she became an adult. Hopefully she did receive some help from good family members, friends or relatives until she was able to be able to look after herself and her son sufficiently. I think it's very generous of her to have shared so much of her financial prosperity with her son and his family. I presume that he is able to work and might have a fulltime job, can live on his own and can take care of himself. That seems to be the case I assume. He owns his own house and vehicle, though his mother paid for it.
Still though, I do feel sorry for June because I can't help but wonder as to how much he might take advantage of his mother in the worst way. He converted to the Jehovah's Witness faith at 19 years of age. He was still living at his mother's home. Apparently, June expressed concern to him about him possibly still waiting for Armageddon to come when he turned 40. He's now 60 and Armageddon still hasn't come. I don't know if he was able to attend college at any time, but how tragic would it be if he had that chance and turned down that opportunity for a full scholarship or something like that? The Watchtower Society discourages members from pursuing lives of extravagant materialism if they are able to achieve such a way of living.
Here's an example: do you think Katherine Jackson, the JW mother of pop star singers Michael and Janet Jackson, leads a simplistic life? No, she leads and has led a life of extravagant wealth and privilege because of her adult children, not in spite of them. She may have helped Michael manage his singing career in the 1980s somewhat. Her husband worked as her sons' manager when they performed together as part of THE JACKSON 5 during their childhood years, but she was largely a homemaker, a stay-at-home mother and housewife for many years (not that there is anything wrong with being a homemaker, a housewife or a stay-at-home mom just so you know--if you're able to do that, perhaps have a backup plan in case in doesn't work out and your family agrees to that arrangement and that is what you personally want to do; even if you're a man and you want and are able to be a homemaker and a stay-at-home dad, that's fine too). Katherine once worked parttime at a SEARS department store before her kids became famous, wealthy celebrities.
I think it's incredibly generous that Michael left so much money to his mother and I'm sure Janet might share her money with her family. Michael and Janet's other siblings might share their money with their relatives, and Michael's kids probably share their money with their family too. To be fair, whatever large amounts of money Rebbie or Michael's brothers have earned from doing whatever outside of occasional performances after the breakup of THE JACKSON 5, I can only guess. My point is: has Katherine ever once expressed gratitude towards her adult kids for sharing their millions of dollars with her which have been providing her with a life of such wealth and privilege for so many years? Her children don't owe her anything. She conceived them, chose to carry all of her pregnancies to term and chose to raise them; they did not ask to be born.
The Jackson siblings sacrificed their childhood for fame and wealth. Their being raised as JWs probably made the transition from a lower middle-class working family to overnight pop music sensations a very difficult and confusing time for them. I think it may have further complicated matters. Not to mention, Joseph Walter Jackson, their father, a lifelong non-JW was seemingly rather abusive towards his children. They seem to downplay or outright make excuses for his behavior. Katherine on the other hand seems to live in a state of denial and downplays or seemingly excuses his behavior. People have said that if it wasn't for Joseph, the family wouldn't be where they are now, and how do you know that? Did Joseph ever thank his children for what they did for him during his life? It's not a child's job to support their family financially and materially when they're growing up. It shouldn't be a responsibility that falls on their shoulders.
Sometimes children have to help out with family finances, that is true, but a child shouldn't have to be the breadwinner. In regard to June's situation, June's son is a grown-ass man who sounds like a person who might be able to care for and might be able to provide for himself and his family. He should, as Lloyd says, have his shit together at 60 years old. I think it might be a good idea for June to invest her money in charitable causes that are important to her. At least some of the money she might have bequeathed to her granddaughter might end up going into the Watchtower Society's hands. No doubt her son must have given some of that money that she gave him to the Society.
I agree that since June's son is serving as an Elder at his JW congregation, he's probably lectured his congregants on not pursuing a life of materialism when he has probably been doing the opposite. He gets to experience a life of some privilege thanks to the kind generosity of his non-Witness mother. Studies have indicated that JWs in North America are some of the most poverty-stricken religious people in that country, and no doubt, the Society's discouragement of attending higher education or pursuing a high-demand job that pays well but diverts time away from their religious activities, certainly does not help in that regard.
Has June's son ever thanked his mother for sharing her wealth with him? I know that June must love and worry about her son a great deal, but I also don't want him to take advantage of her for all that she must do to help him out.
And thank you Loyd
So sad,, for her,, one of the saddest on your channel..
What up doe LLOYD? Good to see u!
Just don't understand why you support a 60 year old, and I definitely wouldn't be having my estate go to him/them.
What is new hypocrisy
Thank you for speaking frankly!! Love it
Woe, the son! Your a very nice mother. I feel your pain. I HATE that org so much, the position that they put families in is unbelievable.
I would love to know a follow up on this, hopefully June will drop in a voice mail and let us know what route she decided to choose regarding the matter
If your only child does not respect your wellbeing he does not deserve your financial help. If my mom would support me and my family for 20+ year’s i would kiss her feet and carry her on my hands (even without financial help it’s his mom).
You sound like a nice lady but your son is a 60 year old Mommy’s Boy stop supporting him and leave him no inheritance he’s using you
I have a son and a daughter who shun me, sometimes you have to leave the haters behind, shun them from money
Lloyd, fantastic video as always and I respect your opinions.
Cut. Him. Off. Your money only enables the cult, and he has no respect for you. Besides that, I guarantee that he credits his comfort and good fortune to God, and not to your generosity.
All of this is so sad fr
Send your granddaughter to college that is probably an option that she never thought she could have the opportunity to do. And if she refuses to accept it for college then maybe your wheel can say it can be for the great grand children
June, you're enabling your son. Your money is allowing him to devote his time to the cult instead of deal with worldly things.
EXCELLENT ADVICE!!!!!
There's a part of me that feels compassion for those JWs that are still mentally in. Being compassionate here was very hard. A son shunning a mother that still supports him financially to be in a cult that makes him shun his own mother...is horrific and deeply sad.
Your daughters will always have your love, which they will always need.
June, you are a kind woman. The Lord loves such even if you do not believe in him.
I do know a JW family where five children are from their early 50s and early 40s. Three of them still live with their parents who are in their 70s, but I’m sure they rent since they work. They’re elders I think. It’s so ironic how the elder’s mom told me to find my own place when I get older when she literally is living with her 50 something y/o son and in-laws lol.
I also know a JW family who has five children who are at the age range from their early 40s, late 30s, and the youngest being in mid 20s. They all live in one roof with their parents who are in their late 60s. Two of them are married and their husbands also live in that roof, and one of them has two children as well. So there are 11 of them. I’m sure they all pay for their expenses.
I guess it just depends on the culture you live in.
Outside with him…I would never. He needs to stand on his own 2 feet. The nerve of him, taking money from his mother. I cut my JW parents out because I get no emotional support from them.
It's easy for others to say, "Cut him off he's an adult!" He's still your baby.
However, if he's treating you like a bank account and not a loved one that can definitely make your choice easier.
I'd be tempted to have some conversations about "Jehovah providing everything you need. "
There's a lot we don't know about your situation but I hope you get some kind of healthy relationship with your son. I thinking Lloyd gave you some great advice and I'd love an update as well!
He is not a adult though is he if he is a 60 year old man .
He is breaking one of the rules of a Christian from Corinthians a scripture he loves to quote no doubt.
About sinner's and one of them is providing for your own family but he will obviously just miss that bit out and concentrate on the fornicators idolaters and drunkards
Yes that's how many JW Elders operate picking and choosing what suits them .
In the UK it's called being a free loader .
No, June’s son is a 60 yr old hypocrite leech. She needs to disinherit him immediately.
A trust fund for the granddaughter's COLLEGE education is a great idea. The sin is old enough to stop being a sponge and figure out how to support his choices.
Real mother ❤
Cut off the money. He's a man, needs to grow a pair, and support his damn self & family.
I have known of soooo many Elders that roam the Halls as head honcho.....but in the real world JOBS,PAYING BILLS ETC.....they're carrying life as little children as far as not handling responsibility in real life!
I personally would not give your son any more $. If he can't be supportive of you and genuinely love you unconditionally, it is not real love. I've seen this religion be so conditional about who or what they can love that it is just fake. He doesn't deserve to have you support him as it just is benefitting Watchtower.
this is classic enabling of immaturity. You are doing your son no favours by babying him. Also remember that JWs not only have a persecution complex, they also have a "blessing" complex: They persuade themselves that Jehovah can use any means to bring blessings to his faithful ones, even "worldly" people and relatives. Then after he's used them, he will kill them in Armageddon. Your son probably thinks it;s ok to use you, since the god he worships is giving him permission through this greedy and psychotic teaching. He probably won't feel he has to be grateful, its ok to just take what he can get, and he won't thank you, he'll likely thank Jehovah for using you to bless him for his faith. Like I said, you're not doing him any favours, this religion teaches people how to be users, it's so unhealthy.
This is SO true!
Use & exploit to ones advantage, then claim it's Jehovah's blessing.
Lyn Carter, You have hit that nail dead on the head.
Your son can call on Tony Morris' McCallan fund surplus for financial support. The granddaughter should receive the inheritance with conditions.
It is clear that JWs only help and care for other active JWs, they do not follow Jesus’ teaching on Matthew 25:35. They are taught that preaching is their only focus. What merit is it to love only your own? Preaching door to door is not enough, way more is required, including loving and caring for your own mother.
June may be able to leave part of the money in a trust to pay for post-secondary education (the money would be managed by a third party and paid directly to the educational institutions) for her grand-daughter, then leave the rest to an appropriate charity. She needs to talk to an estate-planning lawyer.
The hoobjoobie organization is truly a pox on humanity.
Let go June. Your son has his own life. Why are you supporting him? If it is money you give as a gift out of the goodness of your heart then you wouldn't expect the gifts to sway him as to whether he listens to you. As to expecting emotional support from your son who is brainwashed and in a dangerous cult; please try to meet someone who you have commonalities with to fill that need.
Develop more friendships through church, Rotary Club, Lions Club, hospital volunteering, tutoring kids in ppublic schools, social or environmental activism, dancing groups at recreation centers, senior center, governmental public service groups, knitting or craft groups, museum or zoo volunteers or other hands on chances to meet others. Best wishes.
Complete side note: Does it drive anyone else crazy when people don’t say it correctly? 😂 “Jehovah Witness” (don’t get me wrong, this cult drives me crazy but I guess growing up in it and hearing it said incorrectly since day 1 is cringey)
What really is the correct name? Is it
'Jehovah Wickedness'?
As someone who loves words, I understand your pain! I just count this instance as a win...she never fell into the trap of this cult herself! 😅
@@cherylseebreth328, No, the CORRECT terminology would be: "Jehovah's Wickedness"!
@@outtadarkness1970 Loud and clear.🤣🤣
She also has to think about the fact that much of her money may wind up going to JW organization....
My opinion only bc the bottom line it's ur decision. Lawyers,
Lawyers, Lawyers U can't buy love U can't buy respect. When u make ur decision get therapy.
Bc u will be changing 60 yrs of emotional support, financial support, and mental support. At first it will hurt. U will even question yourself if u did the right thing. That's why outside help with qualified professional is worth more than gold. And get a support group . I'm not going to say one word about your elder son. So my prayers are with you.