Yeah I'd love to see Sonic's hitboxes, because I wanna see the range of Homing Attack & why Spin Dash has 2 hitboxes, depending on how much the move was charged by.
@@oreogod3943 The hitboxes of Up-Air are fine. In fact, the recent buffs to Sonic Up-Air actually allow the hitboxes of multi-hit 2 to surpass their Sm4sh counterpart in just how large they are. The issue is that the knockback of both multi-hits were reduced, so Up-Air shouldn't kill as early, whilst becoming a better combo tool in neutral. The issue lies in how Up-Air multi-hit 1 also received knockback decreases & because that multi-hit is fixed in knockback & doesn't scale with rage, opponents % ext. Up-Air becomes heavily more inconsistent to land & required consistent micro spacing in some mu's on smaller fighters, in-order to land consistently. In-fact, Up-Air when used as a Short-Hop Aerial actually possesses lower fixed knockback on the 1st Multi-hit when compared to the standard Up-Air, because Short-Hop Aerials universialy deal 0.85% of the standard Aerial damage & of course, less damage can sometimes result in less knockback, which applies to Sonic Up-Air. Basically the move was altered to be mad dysfunctional & well, we Sonic mains possess a love, hate relationship with the move for a reason lol & don't get me started on Spin Charge.
@@SussyBaka_irl I mean Up Air's not that bad, especially now. Even pre patch it was really heavily underrated by people, it's not always the most effective as a landing aerial (especially on small characters,) but it probably wasn't intended to be and most of the other inconsistencies pre patch came from people trying to land it in a combo out of a spin dash jump since Sonic would travel too quickly for the second hitbox to connect.
I think Explosive Flame distance depends whether it's a smash/tilt input and not whether you hold the B button. An interesting thing that makes Autoreticle good is the fact that the rehit rate is too fast to beat with lingering aerials which is usually an important counterplay vs projectiles like that.
"No character should be allowed to have like invincibility on their aerials like this" K. Rool mains: *sweats nervously*" Yeah that would be crazy huh."
To be honest, I was disappointed with Palutena in Smash 4 since she was probably the character I was most hyped for due to Kid Icarus Uprising so I'm actually pretty OK with how much of a buff she got in this game! Doesn't mean I don't find her annoying at times though.
You forgot something about Palutena: Most of her moves does extra shield damage, most notable F-Air, B-Air, Dash and specially Palutena's N-air (+9 damage on shield, so 2 unstaled N-Airs can basically cause a shield break. Good thing the move is never fresh).
@@StarmenRock And even without considering it Palutena's N-air is disgusting. You would think shield should at least force palutena to reset neutral, but considering that move devours half of your shield. In Smash 4 the move was so unsafe on shield that didn't matter that extra damage, but now it's safe enough to be used as a shield pressure tool when spaced properly. No wonder why it's considered a top 10 move in ultimate.
If they gave her back her single hit jab followups she would actually just be insane LOL. I miss jab grab but at the same time she has SO MUCH ELSE in Ult that she doesn't need it
im surprised you never talk about the amount of active frames a counter has since they vary between fighters. Palutena is up there in the fighters with the longest counters in the game.
I'd love to see you cover Ryu or Ken, they have such a plethora of attacks that can be accessed at almost any time, from taps and holds, to proximity attacks to even standard and normal inputs. It'd be really fun to see as UltimateFrameData doesn't seem to cover every move in their repertoire.
Nuetral aerial can be counter by Bowser Juniors up special, the Koopa Clown Car has two unreflectable hitboxes, first one being the actual clown car with the second one being the explosion. So there is literally nothing you can do against the clown car, you are getting hit no matter what you do. Actually, most of her moves can be countered by nearly all of his attacks when he can have the advantage. So, she is basically at Juniors mercy when she tries to play against him like she would any other character, and I think that goes for every character goes against him. They HAVE to play differently since he is such a different character.
Palutena's gimmick in Smash 4 seems to be the fact that she has 12 canonical specials, each different so that players could learn the new custom moves mechanic I kind of wish they could bring it back in Ultimate, they just wouldn't be as ridiculous
I love that her up smash can 2 frame at the ledge because the hitbox reaches a bit below her, also her side and down smash having a wind box is funny when used at ledge to push somebody trying to reach ledge to miss it entirely
I've been wanting you to cover Marth for a while but I do know that there isn't much to be excited about it. That being said I do think you'd do a great job covering some of his great tipper hitboxes mixed with his absolutely terrible ones. Maybe you could do a video that demonstrates only a few moves for certain characters instead of their whole moveset. If you find this interesting to do, for Marth I would suggest this. Good tippers: - Ftilt, Uair, Neutral B Bad tippers (or just plain bad hitbox in general): - Fsmash, final hit of his side B (forward & up), and also his god awful dash attack which is the worst dash attack in the game.
Palutena side b distance isnt based on how long you hold it down, its like Samus missiles where you have tilt input and smash input, smash input does long range and tilt does short range.
Awesome video! By the way @ 9:08 that’s not actually how side b works, it’s not how long you press b that changes it Far side b is inputted with the left stick and B at the same time, and the short side b is if you’re already holding forward on the left stick when you press B (like a smash and tilt input)
YESSSSS I'VE BEEN ASKING AND WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG! And just in time before Pyra and Mythra (who I'll most likely be maining alongside Palu) join the fray!
It's not dangerous or risky though! At the very start of the Switch modding scene, it was only a possibility due to the fact that error reports were being logged and sent to Nintendo. They are now redirected to the SD card. Nintendo does not ban for just modding as long as you don't use it to do dangerous things like piracy or cheating. ( Source: gamebanana.com/threads/218137 ) I run CFW, skin mods, and the hitbox visualizer all the time because of this
Can you please do hitboxes of my main? The funny crocodile known as King K. Rool? It would most likely help me understand his kit a lot better with visuals and opinions of his hitboxes while also help me consider what moves to use in neutral to maintain or gain control.
hey by the way, explosive flame’s distance doesn’t change from button timing but rather smash input. you get the longer version from smash input and the short one with regular side b input.
Shulk's hitboxes in Ultimate compared to Smash 4. I know Shulk is much better in Ult but I feel like his hitboxes are the size of the universe in this game and a lot of the blindspots were fixed.
As someone who played Palutena in Smash 4, I can tell she always had the potential to be great but in that game her moves basically didn't work or had almost incomplete frame data. In the previous game the invincibility in dash attack and back air was actually better, since the upper body invincibility lasted the entire duration of the active frames, rather than it being just the arms.
I can't wait to see Mythra and Pyra's hitboxes when they finally come out. I need to see if Photon Edge is just a single massive hitbox spanning half the stage.
@@KaitouKaiju melee has 26 characters. I grew up playing it. I've adapted to the brokenness of it's design and I enjoy the game for what it is. Ice climbers may be the worst thing about melee....but palutena and characters with insanely high odds against the remaining cast....I'd say my "opinion" hasn't been swayed by your attempt to change my mind about why I prefer melee over trashtimate. Melee rewards skill....ultimate rewards your character choice. P.s. Melee doesn't have things like witch time and Limit breakers....I feel as though it's a more fair game in the competitive aspect. Also, this: ruclips.net/video/-x5yupEiP5U/видео.html
As one of my favorite characters it was really discouraging hearing how negative you were in the beginning of this video, however I also wished you had more to say about the Up B in comparison to other teleport/warp type recoveries, because it is so janky. It feels like it doesnt actually warp her but more just moves her really quickly, making it to where it cant go through things like Exeggutor and if you try to recover from slightly under the stage, it can sometimes send you rocketing off to the side instead of just up like you inputted.
Still curious to see a Zelda episode eventually(tm) I'm glad that Palu gets her time in the sun in Ultimate since in S4 she got screwed by being the intro to custom moves...they really did overcompensate, though
I want Sonic to be covered so we can compare Sonic’s side Smash to all of the other hitboxes In ultimate
Yeah I'd love to see Sonic's hitboxes, because I wanna see the range of Homing Attack & why Spin Dash has 2 hitboxes, depending on how much the move was charged by.
@@oreogod3943 The hitboxes of Up-Air are fine. In fact, the recent buffs to Sonic Up-Air actually allow the hitboxes of multi-hit 2 to surpass their Sm4sh counterpart in just how large they are. The issue is that the knockback of both multi-hits were reduced, so Up-Air shouldn't kill as early, whilst becoming a better combo tool in neutral. The issue lies in how Up-Air multi-hit 1 also received knockback decreases & because that multi-hit is fixed in knockback & doesn't scale with rage, opponents % ext. Up-Air becomes heavily more inconsistent to land & required consistent micro spacing in some mu's on smaller fighters, in-order to land consistently.
In-fact, Up-Air when used as a Short-Hop Aerial actually possesses lower fixed knockback on the 1st Multi-hit when compared to the standard Up-Air, because Short-Hop Aerials universialy deal 0.85% of the standard Aerial damage & of course, less damage can sometimes result in less knockback, which applies to Sonic Up-Air.
Basically the move was altered to be mad dysfunctional & well, we Sonic mains possess a love, hate relationship with the move for a reason lol & don't get me started on Spin Charge.
Yes very pls
That move is cursed and it will always be cursed
@@SussyBaka_irl I mean Up Air's not that bad, especially now.
Even pre patch it was really heavily underrated by people, it's not always the most effective as a landing aerial (especially on small characters,) but it probably wasn't intended to be and most of the other inconsistencies pre patch came from people trying to land it in a combo out of a spin dash jump since Sonic would travel too quickly for the second hitbox to connect.
I would like to see Bayonetta’s and Cloud’s hitboxes being compared to the hitboxes they had in Smash 4.
Yea, me too lol
bayo's would just make me sad LMAO
I'd be down to see that
@@datenshiluka they’re so pitiful in ultimate.
@@datenshiluka Bayo's moves aren't even that much smaller, they're just slower. Cloud on the other hand though...
"Anything an angel can do, a Goddess can do better!"
Not in Smash 4!
I think Explosive Flame distance depends whether it's a smash/tilt input and not whether you hold the B button. An interesting thing that makes Autoreticle good is the fact that the rehit rate is too fast to beat with lingering aerials which is usually an important counterplay vs projectiles like that.
Yeah, it's like 4 beams in less than a second
Incoming Melee Marth, Neutral Aerial and Invincible Shield jokes
Huh.
I actually have nothing funny to say, just glad to see another episode
Also luckily for you, I don’t think Pyra’s hit boxes will be too mind-boggling
The specials will definitely have crazy hitboxes.
Myhtra on the other hand
I can imagine mythra side-b hitboxes to be underwhelming
Given that she has Alpharad’s curse, I wouldn’t be surprised if her hitboxes are just better smash 4 cloud
@@aclonymous Since she is a sword, she will be a walking hitbox
I already know what her grab looks like. It’s so weird.
melee marth grab range
Schlong
Basically Bowser's SM4SH Pivot Grab
Is min min’s grab range longer?
@@lycantubeves5992 Incineroar has more grab range.
it would be really interesting to see lucario's hitboxes. I'm really curious how exactly the hitbox of force palm changes with aura
I’m sure it’s displayed on ultimateframedata.com
Don't forget her back throw
YEET
That DK CPU *GOT* you at 12:08
So?
ok
And at 12:39
He got clowned on
"Combine that hitbox with a mere 7 frames of landing lag"
Patch 11.0: And I took that personally
When you realize Palutena actually kicks when doing down air. I really thought she swings her staff or something🤔
Naifu's over a year ago shaking their head
Ah, the "tether grab but actually no" character
Edit: also NEUTRAL AERIAL
For me the Neutral Aerial I need.
also keep in mind
neutral nair is only her 3rd best aerial.
Ice Climbers *Inconsistent* *Counterintuitive* Hitboxes
more like "Palutena's Pre-patch-erous Hitboxes"
Beautiful
"No character should be allowed to have like invincibility on their aerials like this"
K. Rool mains: *sweats nervously*" Yeah that would be crazy huh."
This man needs to spend a full video analyzing Sonic’s f-smash.
the knockback is so strong you miss the out of bounds area that is the blast zone and make it all the way to Minecraft
Explosive flame is hilarious when the finisher doesn't connect and just sends them sideways
peach’s peachy hitboxes is the day i await :)
Peach's Peachy Pichboxes
To be honest, I was disappointed with Palutena in Smash 4 since she was probably the character I was most hyped for due to Kid Icarus Uprising so I'm actually pretty OK with how much of a buff she got in this game!
Doesn't mean I don't find her annoying at times though.
"like any other counters"
Lucario: *allow me to introduce myself*
You forgot something about Palutena: Most of her moves does extra shield damage, most notable F-Air, B-Air, Dash and specially Palutena's N-air (+9 damage on shield, so 2 unstaled N-Airs can basically cause a shield break. Good thing the move is never fresh).
Thats not in the data he has. He only has hitboxes and launch Angeles.
@@StarmenRock And even without considering it Palutena's N-air is disgusting. You would think shield should at least force palutena to reset neutral, but considering that move devours half of your shield. In Smash 4 the move was so unsafe on shield that didn't matter that extra damage, but now it's safe enough to be used as a shield pressure tool when spaced properly. No wonder why it's considered a top 10 move in ultimate.
If they gave her back her single hit jab followups she would actually just be insane LOL. I miss jab grab but at the same time she has SO MUCH ELSE in Ult that she doesn't need it
this video has made me realize that this game is so fast paced that you don't get to appreciate the detailed animations of everything
nice! maybe you could do bayo next and compare her sm4sh hitboxes and smultimate hitboxes?
Nice idea
Gotta love the shortening to smultimate
I think they got a bit too far with the nerfs, because the the were both in frame data and hitboxes.
I think he should cover all other characters he hasn't made videos on before first. Then cover the characters he did for Smash 4.
im surprised you never talk about the amount of active frames a counter has since they vary between fighters. Palutena is up there in the fighters with the longest counters in the game.
And then Shulk busts down the Door and yells Backslash
I'd love to see you cover Ryu or Ken, they have such a plethora of attacks that can be accessed at almost any time, from taps and holds, to proximity attacks to even standard and normal inputs. It'd be really fun to see as UltimateFrameData doesn't seem to cover every move in their repertoire.
I missed you. I clicked on the new video as soon as I saw the notification.
I did the same thing.
I did the same too!
Ditto.
Nuetral aerial can be counter by Bowser Juniors up special, the Koopa Clown Car has two unreflectable hitboxes, first one being the actual clown car with the second one being the explosion. So there is literally nothing you can do against the clown car, you are getting hit no matter what you do. Actually, most of her moves can be countered by nearly all of his attacks when he can have the advantage. So, she is basically at Juniors mercy when she tries to play against him like she would any other character, and I think that goes for every character goes against him. They HAVE to play differently since he is such a different character.
In the words of alpharad:
Neutral Aerial.
*Neutral aerial*
im just now realizing the alliteration in the titles
Some of the most overloaded hit boxes in smash history
This was extremely informative, even for those who don't play her, thank you!
Can't wait until he gets to her grabs...
Gah don’t remind me she nearly has Melee Marth grab range. But nowhere near as absurd.
Palutena's gimmick in Smash 4 seems to be the fact that she has 12 canonical specials, each different so that players could learn the new custom moves mechanic
I kind of wish they could bring it back in Ultimate, they just wouldn't be as ridiculous
I love that her up smash can 2 frame at the ledge because the hitbox reaches a bit below her, also her side and down smash having a wind box is funny when used at ledge to push somebody trying to reach ledge to miss it entirely
I've been wanting you to cover Marth for a while but I do know that there isn't much to be excited about it. That being said I do think you'd do a great job covering some of his great tipper hitboxes mixed with his absolutely terrible ones. Maybe you could do a video that demonstrates only a few moves for certain characters instead of their whole moveset.
If you find this interesting to do, for Marth I would suggest this.
Good tippers:
- Ftilt, Uair, Neutral B
Bad tippers (or just plain bad hitbox in general):
- Fsmash, final hit of his side B (forward & up), and also his god awful dash attack which is the worst dash attack in the game.
damn, this is now out of date a week after it was posted
Bair needs to be intangible please god I’m tired of my attacks getting stuffed out
Pretty sure it just means he cannot hit palu in her bair state.
Invincible, even just a small part, is very powerful.
10:13
Sprightly!
Could you do Mario and Doctor Mario's Hitboxes and compare them with each other?
Palutena side b distance isnt based on how long you hold it down, its like Samus missiles where you have tilt input and smash input, smash input does long range and tilt does short range.
10:19 Too be honest, this is what I expected sephiroth's nair to be. Both happy and sad that it isn't
Awesome video! By the way @ 9:08 that’s not actually how side b works, it’s not how long you press b that changes it
Far side b is inputted with the left stick and B at the same time, and the short side b is if you’re already holding forward on the left stick when you press B (like a smash and tilt input)
6:45 This is a feel I can relate to.
Did anyone notice a face at 10:13? Look at Palutena's staff where the autoretical is shooting out.
10:13
What's that face doing there lol?
YESSSSS I'VE BEEN ASKING AND WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO FOR SO LONG!
And just in time before Pyra and Mythra (who I'll most likely be maining alongside Palu) join the fray!
7:20, That's a cool grab A.I.
For an accurate view of hitbox interpolation in the future I would recommend using blujays ingame hitbox visualizer mod that came out a few days ago
honestly the added accuracy isnt worth it for the risks of switch modding at the moment
It's not dangerous or risky though!
At the very start of the Switch modding scene, it was only a possibility due to the fact that error reports were being logged and sent to Nintendo. They are now redirected to the SD card. Nintendo does not ban for just modding as long as you don't use it to do dangerous things like piracy or cheating.
( Source: gamebanana.com/threads/218137 )
I run CFW, skin mods, and the hitbox visualizer all the time because of this
The next episode
Ness’ Nasty Hitboxes
That’s something to explain the blight of online
I have been standing next to him, got hit from the opposite side with PK thunder and it set off PK thunder 2 which killed. I was so salty at that shit
As someone who played Palu in Smash 4, I'm completely fine with her being one of the best characters in Ultimate.
Yeah she got shafted in Smash 4, and now people hate her
Neutral Air: The Waifu.
Got here within 10 seconds of upload
palutena’s side tilt spikes… *for a split second…* 1:18
Can you please do hitboxes of my main? The funny crocodile known as King K. Rool? It would most likely help me understand his kit a lot better with visuals and opinions of his hitboxes while also help me consider what moves to use in neutral to maintain or gain control.
Just go to Zeckemyros Twitter and get the Google drive link with all the hitboxes. You dont need to wait for the vídeos.
@@StarmenRock I prefer watching a video with detailed and visual information, sorry
wtf i didnt ever realize her down air was a kick. I would have bet money it was her swinging down with her staff...
Let's have a moment of silence for angelic missile...
hey by the way, explosive flame’s distance doesn’t change from button timing but rather smash input. you get the longer version from smash input and the short one with regular side b input.
1:35
the diff air and ground hitboxes are to account for edge guards. imagine getting edge guarded with the ground hitbox of palutenas down tilt
I would lOve to see an analysis of Zelda! Also love these videos keep up the great work man
I would like to see pichu covered it would be very interesting to see how pichu changed from mele
Shulk's hitboxes in Ultimate compared to Smash 4. I know Shulk is much better in Ult but I feel like his hitboxes are the size of the universe in this game and a lot of the blindspots were fixed.
As someone who played Palutena in Smash 4, I can tell she always had the potential to be great but in that game her moves basically didn't work or had almost incomplete frame data. In the previous game the invincibility in dash attack and back air was actually better, since the upper body invincibility lasted the entire duration of the active frames, rather than it being just the arms.
I can't wait to see Mythra and Pyra's hitboxes when they finally come out. I need to see if Photon Edge is just a single massive hitbox spanning half the stage.
Looks at title:
Remembered why I stopped playing ultimate and focused solely on melee.
Me:
Yeah, I don't miss this game.
As if melee isn't just as busted if not more so with certain characters
@@KaitouKaiju melee has 26 characters. I grew up playing it. I've adapted to the brokenness of it's design and I enjoy the game for what it is. Ice climbers may be the worst thing about melee....but palutena and characters with insanely high odds against the remaining cast....I'd say my "opinion" hasn't been swayed by your attempt to change my mind about why I prefer melee over trashtimate. Melee rewards skill....ultimate rewards your character choice. P.s. Melee doesn't have things like witch time and Limit breakers....I feel as though it's a more fair game in the competitive aspect.
Also, this:
ruclips.net/video/-x5yupEiP5U/видео.html
The Miis would be cool to see.
It's the hitbox guy!
She’s like a clusterfuck of Ivysaur, Cloud, and those freaking custom moves from Smash 4
i love it
Pyra & Mythra’s Powerful and Mighty hitboxes next?
Palutena grab hitbox makes me very happy.
TF2 Heavy for Smash
That grab hitbox makes me wanna cross a bull during breeding season
Ok now it’s mithra mind boggling hit boxes
Or piyras potent hitboxes
i could've sworn that explosive flame changed its range based on if you smash the stick or not
Ness’ nasty hit boxes?
I’m not sure how to do a possessive with ness
@@ThatWontHurt pretty sure you did it correctly.
Ness' Notorious Hitboxes would be my title
Also pretty good
I want to see Marcina's side b and nair to better understand why my opponents keep falling off of these moves lol
I would like to see an episode about Inkling hitboxes but also how the ink works? Great video I didn't know about the invicibility
We need a sonic hit box video so we can see the truth about sonic’s monstrous f smash
everybody gansta till palutena's up smash is almost 3x ivy uair
Every episode is another count of thesaurus.com showing up in Rekzius’ search history
I don't think I've EVER seen Palutena's down air
Great video as always! I know there's already a Giga Bowser video, but can we get a video on regular Bowser's regularly Beastly hitboxes?
I wish the Smash 4 Palu came back
I would be very happy to see Bayonetta covered-
Can you imagine that her Neutral Air was even bigger in Vanilla Smash? 🤪
its my headcanon that you are intangible on the ledge instead of invincible so that pk fire couldnt activeate as soon as you grab the ledge
Robs robust hitboxes
Bowsers beefy hit boxes
Or shulks shattering hit boxes
*Palutena mains in smash 4 the day before ultimates release*
RISE...RISE....RISE AND KILL THEM ALLL
As one of my favorite characters it was really discouraging hearing how negative you were in the beginning of this video, however I also wished you had more to say about the Up B in comparison to other teleport/warp type recoveries, because it is so janky. It feels like it doesnt actually warp her but more just moves her really quickly, making it to where it cant go through things like Exeggutor and if you try to recover from slightly under the stage, it can sometimes send you rocketing off to the side instead of just up like you inputted.
Den videoen her orkar eg ikkje å sjå på. Bedre å late som at den kjerringa her ikkje fins. Godt jobba med resten av kanalen though. :)
Still curious to see a Zelda episode eventually(tm)
I'm glad that Palu gets her time in the sun in Ultimate since in S4 she got screwed by being the intro to custom moves...they really did overcompensate, though
I really want to see Lucarios hitboxes and because it sometimes feels like they change slightly with the damage he has taken
Thank you for this blessing.
4:10 Ah, yes...
*THE HOLY STRAP-ON*
...that DK cpu at the end tho...
I knew that up air was broken, but it's even worse than I thought
I think it would be interesting if you covered Ridley’s hitboxes
Idea for next month
Pyra's perfect hitboxes
Mythra's majestic hotboxes
I wish he would talk about the final smashs. Zelda's final smash... dear lord