As one of the largest players in the DAWless space, I feel like Korg could easily design a competing device like this in the Kaoss Pad line at maybe half the price of an RMX1000. Kaoss products already have many of these FX so they’d basically just need to add a more robust hardware UI to the current KP3 or Quad and it’d fill a big gap for many people to evolve their loops into more dynamic, finished tracks.
Great piece of DJ kit. I know Trovarsi and ALX-106 use this in their modular sets a lot. I’m using the Octatrack (with EZbot’s template) for these exact features since it can act as a mixer (4 mono or 2 stereo inputs), and a live looper that really helps with transitions. Love to see the cross over between live and DJ gear since that’s the world I came from. Great content!
It’s DEEEEEP. The trick with it is to not try to do (or learn) everything is does at once. It’s the dawless Swiss Army knife. Happy to chat any time about it. I love it and only probably use a tenth of what it can do. Such a valuable multi tool for hardware.
Have to second the Octatrack with EZbot’s template. It has 4 sets and like 4 dozen scenes between them plus looping. He’s a super nice guy as well so that doesn’t hurt. His templates are excellent though
Hi mate you didn't mention that the unit also come with an identical vst plugin that can be controlled from the hardware via usb. Every parameter can be controlled and recorded with modulation from the DAW. It also comes with Remixbox which is an editor that allows you to adjust every parameter on the unit. This is a great addition as you can swap between your custom setup up and the default seamlessly via the switch in top right corner. Using Remixbox is only way to add your own sounds to the 4 extra banks. It also has tools to edit and chop the samples you import which is quite useful. If you going to do a review you should of took 5 minutes to add some of your own sounds because this is where the unit really shines. Importing things like Acid stabs or vocal one-shots can sound great , especially with the Isolator or Scene FX used over the top. Adding 4 harmonic bass notes or melodic stabs can also be a great way to make groovy bass lines and melodies. You can then add swing to the timing by tapping the roll button while your loop is playing. Each of the 4 sound can also be muted and soloed by pushing the mute/hold button while its playing. It's cool how you can change between the 5 sample banks smoothly on the fly and the unit holds the timing of whats playing. You didn't explore the other Isolator effects either. I find Cut/Add and Roll can sound really great. Especially when you set the timing to your liking via the Remix box editor. The build quality of the unit is great. After 10 years of heavy use mine still feels and looks the same as when I got it. The only downside is I can only hold 1 bank of 4x4 sample info on each Sd card. I have about 15 cards with various samples in a little wallet next to the unit. I wish Roland would update the firmware so I can consolidate the data from all 15 SD cards all onto the same card, then select which bank I want to load on the unit itself. I agree the current price is far too high. In Australia the RRP was about $500 cheaper when they first came out 10 years ago. Until recently they had been discontinued for years and some what forgotten about. I was shocked at the price when came back on the market. Ive seen techno artists like Marco Bailey, Amelie Lens, Joseph Capriati, Pan Pot and Carl Cox use them to great effect. Lastly it's worth noting that The RMX-1000 is definitely designed to be used with Pioneer mixers via the Send/Return Button. It doesn't play as nice with Allen & Heath Xone mixers. It still works but can be very tricky to set up in a way that doesn't result in getting mild feedback on the master. If you don't have a Pioneer mixer I'd advise to test it out before you buy one to make sure it suits your setup.
spot on. whenever i see a "table top jam" video i know it isnt ever going anywhere. just adding a sound and maybe later stopping a sound or two. it rarely gets exciting.
You missed a feature where you can use the loop roll to create a 1 bar loop and use the x fade knob to mix between the loop and the incoming audio. This is useful for transitioning between tracks if you need to change songs on your hardware.
EZBot has a great template for the Octatrack that turns into an effects machine for exactly that purpose. Its pretty amazing. And you can design your own effects - using the crossfader on the unit to bring them in and out. Its pretty awesome.
I had three EFX-500 at some point. EFX is the younger siblings of the RMX series. We used two in a dual live-set. I still have one EFX-500 and love it - especially for the fact that it's one of the few stereo channel units out there with DJ-style three band isolator. And it has a proper build in jack-rca converter. The echo is gold too. There's the EFX-500, EFX-1000, RMX-500 and RMX-1000. The EFX series has a lot of momentary switches, which can be used for scratch-like rythmic effects.
Definitely cool to see this so thoroughly explored! With the Kaoss Pad KP3+ being discontinued (?), I wish there were more currently available, DJ-like hardware effects available. I see myself and others using several effects pedals for what might be considered buildups and drops (I hadn’t realized this, before-e.g., J3PO’s Tensor tape stops/starts and Ottobit stutters, etc.)
@@chiefbucknell Yes. A great thing about the kp3 is the 4 recording tracks. record incoming audio to a 16 beat track and loop/effects play it whilst your other gear is loading new projects
For this kind of thing you probably would like my Enjoy electronics Reminder. I think that what is really needed tho is some kind of dedicated system that makes builds and drop noises, risers that give way to white noise reverb trails etc etc. All with a nice count down interface so you can hit a big button and in 4 or 8 bars etc that riser and crash is going to do its cycle. A dedicated synth engine for making build and drop sounds like "The Riser by Air Music" combined with a crash/drop sample system so you can tailor make your own and at least 4 big drop/build buttons with a dedicated sequencing system. That would be my ideal system.
Nice gear! I was looking for similar stuff. My choice was the Rc-202 for some reason: in addition to the effects, looping with dawless can free instruments for other sounds and i can record vocal with some structure. Effects are ok... for now i managed to build a decent workflow... it's all about that at the end... i like the "no menu diving" of the RMX-1000: this is really something i miss with the RC-202 and his 3 digits display!!!
I’ve been djing for a while … and been using these types of effects pedals. Only issue today (or something to be aware of) with them is that you need to connect them to the mixer inserts meaning the effect is across your whole mix. Ie they are not effective using your send and returns unless your mixer has a proper wet/dry capability. The issue this causes is the send/return combines both the original sound and combines it with the effect. So an effect where you would want to sweep the whole frequency … you won’t hear it. For synth gear you might need to choose which instrument you want the effects pedal to be in line with. My issue is that I use my inserts for external processing … and I still prefer different effects on each channel when mixing. If your a synth person … other option is to use a dj mixer with onboard effects to hook up your gear. I use the xone px5 and the effects on that suit synths better than dj mixing. It also has a midi clock out and play/stop which is very handy to run my synths that don’t have a clock
I'm happy with my Octatrack. Adds a ton of real-time mangling. And cut to a live loop of the master out while you switch to your hardware to set up for the next transition (takes some practice). I've got a Pioneer Toraiz AS-1 though. Love that thing.
I’d love to see you try out the Pioneer RMX-500 as well! Technically it’s the “little brother” but, it was released afterwards and has some neat features that the 1000 doesn’t have. I’d say it is definitely worth trying out the 500 before you commit
I've been using a Kaoss Pad KP3 for something like 10+ years now, and it is a cornerstone for enhancing live performance experience. I think the major benefit of the KP3 is that can be managed completely one-handed and (nearly) without looking, freeing up your eyes and spare hand to manage your live gear still (we all know how much of a pain it can be to managed buildup/drop patterns DAWless). Definitely worth giving a shot. That being said, I've always wanted one of these. Pioneer really makes some excellent sounding effects and this one is basically its own instrument. :D
Hey Liam, for some cool live effects, also check out the Roland MX-1. There are some effects that sync with Midi that you can use creatively for things like rises and drops.
Neat. A lot of DJ controllers nowadays (minus Vinyl rigs) already have these features. That makes it ideal for the dawless set up, i.e. artists making an original continuous dance music performance.
I really miss the Korg Kaoss Pad Quad. That was my absolute favorite back in the day for my Dawless setup. Not nearly as featured as this Pioneer unit but enough to make a meaningful difference. Would recommend it!
Yeah, I considered this RMX-1000 for a minute, but I recall the price wasn’t worth it to me, when I considered that I use things like a KP3+, SP-404 MKII, and GarageBand/Logic Pro’s Remix FX (iPad FTW with GarageBand or Logic Pro Remote to control) for what I would personally use the Pioneer to do.
Hi Liam. I love your videos. I am blind and would like to get a beat making device. A groove box might be the correct word. Do you know of a piece of gear that won't break the bank, I can go up to 600$C, that is accessible and that would let me sequence a couple layers? I have tried the po-33, I bought 2 and both came broken. I am into fusion jazz so if possible, I would like if it had more than 4 notes of polyphony. Of course some chord samples might work too. Thanks!
Oh great thanks for being here! That’s a very good question- for 600 CAD range I’d recommend the tr 6S! Here’s a video I did on it incase you’re interested: ruclips.net/video/ibaWpyekpJA/видео.html
I explored the idea of getting one of these for the same reason but my mx1 overlaps with too many features to justify it. A lot of people also use a chaos pad in a similar way for their build ups. I figured if you were going to do an elektron song mode video. That new feature alone should solve your drop problem. You could also use a dedicated sampler like the 1010 blackbox and sequence in build ups ramps and percussive drops into long sequences to follow playing along to.
Neat little device for the job. I’m using the Analog Heat as a master filter and the DT + DN internal FX for build ups / drops but that’s a lot more knob tweaking (with potential messing up) obviously. Sure it’s nice and convenient to have a „function per knob“ (that is, several parameters effects being tweaked by just a single knob).
@Liam Killen yeah it´s dope but I can also understand that some call it luxury (concerning its price, which, however, is quiet fair for whats inside, I think). Check out Dave Mech´s recent video on his "instant mastering" preset for AH which is really useful for running it on the master (which is what I do always) for both live filter sweeps and saturation and some peak control.
You may want to check out the Roland MX-1 Aria… which works well with the boutique synths, has a 16 step sequencer that can add beatFX, and multiple combos of simultaneous effects. I got one a few weeks ago & I love it. Dropped 10 tracks mixed with it on my IG…
It‘s very nice to learn about an alternative to the Octatrack for DJ-style performance. It seems a lot more straightforward to use for the use cases that it supports. And the price tag is a lot lower than the Octatrack‘s. I wonder why is it that there haven‘t been any new developments in the performance hardware area in the last ten years?
In terms of DJ gear, nowadays you get most of these functions built into the core CDJ + DJM setup, or the XDJ all-in-ones. There's no need for a separate fx unit anymore. But really, things like this that have a limited number of functions but do them really well and are designed for ease of performance, are so useful in a dawless live setup that you'd think other manufacturers would be making such devices for that purpose. But they often seem to want to add loads of features at the expense of performance simplicity.
I use the rc 505 mk2 . Its great for builds , drops and obviously live audio looping . Just have to make sure you have a mixer with aux send . But this is a great idea also .
Hey Liam I have a question for you, sorry if it's a basic querstion, but if I had the rmx-1000 could I use it with my denon prime go? Thanks for all you do, you're super talented
Nice overview, I have been thinking about this unit also for live use for non DJ use, but I haven't had a chance to get hold of one. There is a RMX-1000 Ipad app version also, I wonder if this would work with external soundcard to get the similar result. Then again you are not limited with just the RMX app and could use any effects apps on the ipad.
the main problem is not that you dont have the fx already in your setup. You just need a seperate midi controller which is fully dedicated to the master fx. meaning great quality knobs, easy to acces. its a more a mental and physical seperation to switch context.
@@culturedslob anything compact you can reach easy and control with your eyes closed. 4 rotary knobs or faders , 4 buttons to toggle on/off with led, perhaps 4 momentary buttons. Something to easily train (fx) muscle memory. Filter - Space - Delay - Glitch
You asked for comparisons, and I’m not sure they’re overlapping quite enough to compare but…Korg Kaoss Pad KP3 has some similar effects. And it’s a tool partly for DJs to add live effect. It takes its own skill-building to learn things like builds and drops (not really what I use mine for mostly)
Yes! Finally some love for these rmx units in a live setup. I think the real key with these is to have them routed as a pre-fader send on your mixer (or I have mine set to the sun group on tascam model 16) so you can pick and choose which elements you run through it.. keep the kick unaffected whilst semding the percussion off into echoey filtered oblivion. Great video. Try the rmx 500 if you can too, in theory it’s the inferior model but for this kind of dawless application I actually prefer it
Awesome video, a lot of fun to watch as usual! I actually went with a Korg kaos pad as it found a great deal once. You should get one to review because it is so amazing and I am sure you'd find the best ways to use it. And therefore teach me 😄
Djs from deep house to techno have been using this lil bad boy to spice up there tracks while mixing for years. I haven't seen another DJ effects unit on top of mixer units for the last 10 years.
Using it for some years now in hardware setups. Indeed great for builds and drops. Like you said it’s a popular (techno) DJ device so it has the “DJ price” issue. Same reason “DJ mixers” are so expensive compared to “studio mixers”. Cool video!
@@prestonostra I’m also looking at the mx-1. But for me I’m very much hybrid and use ableton as a super Fx chain (inspired by Tom cosm) and looper (blink looper) and I use usb inserts to achieve it. However the studio mixer I have to achieve the usb inserts, and even when I use mpcone, doesn’t have a really great way of adding an end of chain master Fx. Not is there any way of preview cue mix like we do in the dj world. Mx-1 still suffers from not having 3 band eq, and just one tone mixer, but it’s closer. And with the mx-1 you can still have he pioneer as insert Fx on the master, or on individual channels. The problem with dj mixers is just not enough channels for dawless live jamming. I’m going to have a proper study of kink, though, as he is dawless hybrid jamming performance
I use a Deluge with Faderfox MX12 and Oxygen Pro Mini. So that gives me 28 knobs and 16 faders - I have unique builds for every song that requires them, and they’re assigned to faders. FM controls on the Deluge, I don’t use much else for builds. I’m not purely a DJ though, I’m straddling a bunch of styles doing all original compositions and improvisations. But I highly recommend the Deluge, it’s super portable and so powerful.
Hey great video. I had this unit for a couple year. I actually just sold it this year. It was great but I found myself only using a couple of the effects … the echo types were my favorite. The reason why I sold is because I couldn’t justify having a $700 unit just sit around. My train of though was my SP404 could be used for some of the same types of FX And the SP 404 did other things as well. The other FX box that I actually have now and use for breakdowns and transitions is the Ninja Tune ZEN DELAY! So long story short …I sold the RMX and kept the Zen delay and my SP. As far as FX goes I felt like the three were too similar the RMX was the most expensive, so I sold it. Love to see what you do with RMX If you have an opportunity also check out the Zen Delay.
Can I hook that piece up to any controller, oh and you sound like you know your thing, ?? How can I make my sound come across clean and awesome on RUclips, is it the laptop or the controller that has to be on point.
Such a coincidence I was looking into one of these recently. Then I checked the price and immediately started looking for something else. I know its supposed to be DAWless, but I could buy Ableton and a multitrack usb mixer for the same price and have way more.
Aren’t the kaoss pads more or less the same kind of machine? Instead of the big knob you have a 2D pad, with effects combos that can make a drop happen too.
Another thought: might not be exactly what you're looking for, but if all you need is drops, you might want to look at the Korg Kaoss DJ controller. It's got two inputs, so you can switch between them using the fader. There's a video on here by a guy named Matt Greer where he puts it to good use, and you can pick them up for a couple hundred bucks used.
I use Korg kaosspads to the same effect almost . The big ones, not the Minis. I even have it midi controlled at times. Interesting nevertheless really ! Might have a look at the pioneer too.
I use Octatrack with scenes fx template. You can have 64 scenes of custom fx build up or fades or breakdowns. You can achieve with eurorack modules o patching like Erica Synths Black Hole Dsp2 and Fx Aid XL, but as we all know much more expensive. Great video. Thanks for the demo.
That's funny. Ive got this problem more with DAWS. When i work with groovebox (op-z and polyend tracker especially) some of its effects make wonderful drops very easily. They don't manipulate the audio though, which is why I bought rc-505mk2 which can do things similar to rmx-1000 and many more. Rc-505mk2 has still some bugs but is is really usable in dawless setup right now,.
Hmmmm eeeenteresting. Those noise/spiral effects sound pretty sweet. Definitely DJ gear prices mind. I'd be tempted, but unfortunately I do also DJ and I am crap with the effects built into the controllers, so there's no reason to think I'd be any better with this (!!)
I've been using the rmx-500 in live sets for a little while now and its a really fun and amazing peice of gear. Koasillaters can also help with doing these type of builds.
Cool video, thanks. A nice alternative is Sugarbytes Turnado which is available on IOS so you can run it on iPhone and iPad. You get 8 slots for effects and can chop and change them as you like, they also order themselves sequentially depending on the order you adjust them. It's dead easy to control from the screen as it's designed with performance in mind or it's easy to map any midi controller with a few knobs.
I think you can make transitions with drum machine only if you can be fast enough.like put some channels on mute make something like sweep up or down with FM,filter,and volume ,then unmute some tracks.
I love the idea of adding effects to certain frequencies, like note repeat on only the highs to add hi hats for example. Are there less expensive effects units that do this same thing? *talking about the isolator fx*
Every setup could benefit from a decent live 2 track effect. Whether it be this, the pioneer efx, or the korg kaos pad they will glue everything together if used tastefully.
i'm using the ipad app of rmx-1000. It works generlly speaking perfect connected via lighting to the usb slot to my pioneer djm-450 mixer switched to the internal return path of the djm. 20 dollars, this is extreme value compared to the 700$ of hardware. The ipad app delivers all. And it works with my old ipad air 2, over 8 years old. And the djm-450 inputs are feeded with my maschine+ outputs. Dreamteam M+ and DJM together with the rmx-1000 ipad.
I really like it but I know somebody could be putting these out for 2 to $300 instead of $1000. Charging a lot for the equipment absolutely does not make for a better musician. The boss RC 202 can do this as well for 2 - $300 , and the RC 505 kicks the crap out of it for about 5 - $600 in my opinion. I really like the long LED level indicators. Thx was wondering about this. Great video + very informative!
I've been wanting this for years, but I kept feeling like Pioneer was due to update the model. For that price I didn't want to buy and then see the new model... 5 years since thinking that and no new model and price is still pretty steep.
I like to use it on the output of which ever device is on melodic duties rather than the whole mix, so you can effect the melodic elements and not the drums.
Yeah, I've been on the fence about this one for some time. It's great for what it's designed for, and there's nothing similar, but it's expensive, so IDK.
...im using my roland mx1 for that purpose😄 thought i could use this device instead,but honestly my mx1 sounds cleaner and has more possibilities...together with my kaosspad 3 the poss drives me nuts😅 Nice video btw!! Thanks!
Why not just use your OP-Z performance effects? Route your setup into the line in module and use those for buildups and drops etc. I use the performance track all the time and works perfect.
this piece of gear looks amazing for a live hip hop production capturing style. it definitely snuck past a lot of people and thats a good thing in terms of a secret weapon
SOCIALS:
►Discord: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
►Tiktok: www.tiktok.com/@liamkillenmusic
►Instagram: instagram.com/liamkillenmusic
►Text me: (438) 601-2905
As one of the largest players in the DAWless space, I feel like Korg could easily design a competing device like this in the Kaoss Pad line at maybe half the price of an RMX1000. Kaoss products already have many of these FX so they’d basically just need to add a more robust hardware UI to the current KP3 or Quad and it’d fill a big gap for many people to evolve their loops into more dynamic, finished tracks.
I would love other units like this!
New Kaoss Pad dropped, what do you think of it?
Great piece of DJ kit. I know Trovarsi and ALX-106 use this in their modular sets a lot. I’m using the Octatrack (with EZbot’s template) for these exact features since it can act as a mixer (4 mono or 2 stereo inputs), and a live looper that really helps with transitions. Love to see the cross over between live and DJ gear since that’s the world I came from. Great content!
I’m getting an octatrack next week and can’t wait to explore it! That thing is fkn powerful
It’s DEEEEEP. The trick with it is to not try to do (or learn) everything is does at once. It’s the dawless Swiss Army knife. Happy to chat any time about it. I love it and only probably use a tenth of what it can do. Such a valuable multi tool for hardware.
I have the Octatrack. No ezbot template yet… still reading manuals … 3 months…. Looks like pioneer goes to the point.
@@LiamKillen wow! Surp you don't already have one.
Have to second the Octatrack with EZbot’s template. It has 4 sets and like 4 dozen scenes between them plus looping. He’s a super nice guy as well so that doesn’t hurt. His templates are excellent though
Hi mate you didn't mention that the unit also come with an identical vst plugin that can be controlled from the hardware via usb. Every parameter can be controlled and recorded with modulation from the DAW.
It also comes with Remixbox which is an editor that allows you to adjust every parameter on the unit. This is a great addition as you can swap between your custom setup up and the default seamlessly via the switch in top right corner. Using Remixbox is only way to add your own sounds to the 4 extra banks. It also has tools to edit and chop the samples you import which is quite useful.
If you going to do a review you should of took 5 minutes to add some of your own sounds because this is where the unit really shines. Importing things like Acid stabs or vocal one-shots can sound great , especially with the Isolator or Scene FX used over the top.
Adding 4 harmonic bass notes or melodic stabs can also be a great way to make groovy bass lines and melodies. You can then add swing to the timing by tapping the roll button while your loop is playing. Each of the 4 sound can also be muted and soloed by pushing the mute/hold button while its playing.
It's cool how you can change between the 5 sample banks smoothly on the fly and the unit holds the timing of whats playing.
You didn't explore the other Isolator effects either. I find Cut/Add and Roll can sound really great. Especially when you set the timing to your liking via the Remix box editor.
The build quality of the unit is great. After 10 years of heavy use mine still feels and looks the same as when I got it. The only downside is I can only hold 1 bank of 4x4 sample info on each Sd card.
I have about 15 cards with various samples in a little wallet next to the unit. I wish Roland would update the firmware so I can consolidate the data from all 15 SD cards all onto the same card, then select which bank I want to load on the unit itself.
I agree the current price is far too high. In Australia the RRP was about $500 cheaper when they first came out 10 years ago. Until recently they had been discontinued for years and some what forgotten about. I was shocked at the price when came back on the market.
Ive seen techno artists like Marco Bailey, Amelie Lens, Joseph Capriati, Pan Pot and Carl Cox use them to great effect.
Lastly it's worth noting that The RMX-1000 is definitely designed to be used with Pioneer mixers via the Send/Return Button. It doesn't play as nice with Allen & Heath Xone mixers. It still works but can be very tricky to set up in a way that doesn't result in getting mild feedback on the master. If you don't have a Pioneer mixer I'd advise to test it out before you buy one to make sure it suits your setup.
It sounds like you’ve done a followup review for me! Thanks for these additions!
@@LiamKillen dude took the microphone lmaoooo
Thx Jason for adding that ……. I’m just getting to grips with it - amazing machine !!!
spot on. whenever i see a "table top jam" video i know it isnt ever going anywhere. just adding a sound and maybe later stopping a sound or two. it rarely gets exciting.
This helps!
You missed a feature where you can use the loop roll to create a 1 bar loop and use the x fade knob to mix between the loop and the incoming audio. This is useful for transitioning between tracks if you need to change songs on your hardware.
Completely missed it- I’ll have a closer look
Man I'd love to see a demo of that feature!
EZBot has a great template for the Octatrack that turns into an effects machine for exactly that purpose. Its pretty amazing. And you can design your own effects - using the crossfader on the unit to bring them in and out. Its pretty awesome.
I can’t wait
I've used the RMX-1000 for my dawless setups for years. Currently using the RMX-500 with my Akai Force and Ableton Live hybrid set up.
I’m fkn so hard with the 1000…damn
Why did you change to the 500?
I had three EFX-500 at some point. EFX is the younger siblings of the RMX series. We used two in a dual live-set. I still have one EFX-500 and love it - especially for the fact that it's one of the few stereo channel units out there with DJ-style three band isolator. And it has a proper build in jack-rca converter. The echo is gold too.
There's the EFX-500, EFX-1000, RMX-500 and RMX-1000.
The EFX series has a lot of momentary switches, which can be used for scratch-like rythmic effects.
So many damn options!
I have all 4. I loop the beat pads on half tempo on efx1000 which makes you have longer patterns.
Awesome!
Don't forget that Cut/Add and Trans/Roll apply a Cut and Trans effect when rotating the dials to the left.
Thanks for this!
Added one of these to my live rig a few months ago for exactly this purpose! Works great.
Hell yeah it dors
Does**
Definitely cool to see this so thoroughly explored! With the Kaoss Pad KP3+ being discontinued (?), I wish there were more currently available, DJ-like hardware effects available. I see myself and others using several effects pedals for what might be considered buildups and drops (I hadn’t realized this, before-e.g., J3PO’s Tensor tape stops/starts and Ottobit stutters, etc.)
I would definitely recommend checking out a KP3+.
I know! There should be more!
@@chiefbucknell Yes. A great thing about the kp3 is the 4 recording tracks. record incoming audio to a 16 beat track and loop/effects play it whilst your other gear is loading new projects
For this kind of thing you probably would like my Enjoy electronics Reminder.
I think that what is really needed tho is some kind of dedicated system that makes builds and drop noises, risers that give way to white noise reverb trails etc etc. All with a nice count down interface so you can hit a big button and in 4 or 8 bars etc that riser and crash is going to do its cycle. A dedicated synth engine for making build and drop sounds like "The Riser by Air Music" combined with a crash/drop sample system so you can tailor make your own and at least 4 big drop/build buttons with a dedicated sequencing system.
That would be my ideal system.
Everyone’s got their ideal 😏
I heard Sasha was using an eventide H9 in his sets a while back. Have you tried?
I have not!
Nice gear! I was looking for similar stuff. My choice was the Rc-202 for some reason: in addition to the effects, looping with dawless can free instruments for other sounds and i can record vocal with some structure. Effects are ok... for now i managed to build a decent workflow... it's all about that at the end... i like the "no menu diving" of the RMX-1000: this is really something i miss with the RC-202 and his 3 digits display!!!
It’s impossible to eliminate menu diving completely so having a unit where everything’s on the surface is really nice
Nice review! I got mine last night and Im having a blast!
Thx for watching ! :-)
I’ve been djing for a while … and been using these types of effects pedals. Only issue today (or something to be aware of) with them is that you need to connect them to the mixer inserts meaning the effect is across your whole mix. Ie they are not effective using your send and returns unless your mixer has a proper wet/dry capability. The issue this causes is the send/return combines both the original sound and combines it with the effect. So an effect where you would want to sweep the whole frequency … you won’t hear it. For synth gear you might need to choose which instrument you want the effects pedal to be in line with. My issue is that I use my inserts for external processing … and I still prefer different effects on each channel when mixing. If your a synth person … other option is to use a dj mixer with onboard effects to hook up your gear. I use the xone px5 and the effects on that suit synths better than dj mixing. It also has a midi clock out and play/stop which is very handy to run my synths that don’t have a clock
Yeah that’s essentially exactly how I’m using it. With my current set up I have FX controls over each individual voice so it’s perf
I have one of these collecting dust in the closet. I've dusted it off.. and been inspired to play with it. Thanks.!
Amazing! I love to hear it
OH.. Curious.. did you get the software REMIXBOX(I think) that came with it? Wonder if that can still be made to work? :)
There's some dope FX in there! Thanks for sharing my dude could imagine that in my setup too :)
Highly recommended!!!
I'm happy with my Octatrack. Adds a ton of real-time mangling. And cut to a live loop of the master out while you switch to your hardware to set up for the next transition (takes some practice). I've got a Pioneer Toraiz AS-1 though. Love that thing.
Just got one 😏
I’d love to see you try out the Pioneer RMX-500 as well! Technically it’s the “little brother” but, it was released afterwards and has some neat features that the 1000 doesn’t have. I’d say it is definitely worth trying out the 500 before you commit
I’ll try renting it maybe! I’ve already been hopped to the efx-1000 as well which seems very very dope
@@LiamKillen I think the EFX is much older though
Yeah that's my go to much simpler to use on your sets and I love the knobs
thanks for the video! :)
Im wondering if the RMX 1000 can also do a simple LPF and HPF without the echo?
It can if you turn the echo param down to 0
I've been using a Kaoss Pad KP3 for something like 10+ years now, and it is a cornerstone for enhancing live performance experience. I think the major benefit of the KP3 is that can be managed completely one-handed and (nearly) without looking, freeing up your eyes and spare hand to manage your live gear still (we all know how much of a pain it can be to managed buildup/drop patterns DAWless). Definitely worth giving a shot. That being said, I've always wanted one of these. Pioneer really makes some excellent sounding effects and this one is basically its own instrument. :D
I’ll check it!!
@@LiamKillen love the KP3+! It does a ton of useful stuff and is super affordable. Well worth the money and extremely underrated.
Fact is that the KP 3+ fucks the sound pretty much ^^
@@ThierryEtchepipidessus it's extra work but you can replace the opamps inside for cleaner sound (i have done this)
@@mikey303 Interesting. Only issue was the sound! Otherwise dope.
Hey Liam, for some cool live effects, also check out the Roland MX-1. There are some effects that sync with Midi that you can use creatively for things like rises and drops.
The Roland MC-707 also has some schetter effect that could probably also be applied to external audio
Already RUclipsd it
I actually own the 707- haven’t really gotten around to using it much …YET
There’s no reason why other than having so much gear to keep up with
@@LiamKillen yeah I know that problem. 😀
Tubedigga made a cool video about applying multi-fx to external audio, using the MC-707
The best deepest and clean demo off this gear.
My guy
Yep, this is why I'm using a Kaoss Pad 3 in my setup. It's perfect for this kind of stuff.
Nice!! I've heard that one's great too :-)
Neat. A lot of DJ controllers nowadays (minus Vinyl rigs) already have these features. That makes it ideal for the dawless set up, i.e. artists making an original continuous dance music performance.
Exactly!
I really miss the Korg Kaoss Pad Quad. That was my absolute favorite back in the day for my Dawless setup.
Not nearly as featured as this Pioneer unit but enough to make a meaningful difference. Would recommend it!
I just love the performability of it.
I just sold my korg kaoss pad. It's a fun piece of gear but I prefer knobs, sliders and buttons rather than a "touchscreen". They are not as common.
Yeah, I considered this RMX-1000 for a minute, but I recall the price wasn’t worth it to me, when I considered that I use things like a KP3+, SP-404 MKII, and GarageBand/Logic Pro’s Remix FX (iPad FTW with GarageBand or Logic Pro Remote to control) for what I would personally use the Pioneer to do.
Hi Liam. I love your videos. I am blind and would like to get a beat making device. A groove box might be the correct word. Do you know of a piece of gear that won't break the bank, I can go up to 600$C, that is accessible and that would let me sequence a couple layers? I have tried the po-33, I bought 2 and both came broken. I am into fusion jazz so if possible, I would like if it had more than 4 notes of polyphony. Of course some chord samples might work too. Thanks!
Oh great thanks for being here!
That’s a very good question- for 600 CAD range I’d recommend the tr 6S!
Here’s a video I did on it incase you’re interested: ruclips.net/video/ibaWpyekpJA/видео.html
I explored the idea of getting one of these for the same reason but my mx1 overlaps with too many features to justify it. A lot of people also use a chaos pad in a similar way for their build ups.
I figured if you were going to do an elektron song mode video. That new feature alone should solve your drop problem.
You could also use a dedicated sampler like the 1010 blackbox and sequence in build ups ramps and percussive drops into long sequences to follow playing along to.
You’re right about song mode- def something to explore a lil deeper
That’s what she said
I love your demo, super clear ❤
Thx for watching
Timely, was looking at this today - does look very interesting for the same reasons you were checking it out
Things just sound good right away
Oh man great review. I’m going to get one of theses asap. And I’m checking out the distro site
Awesome! And DistroKid’s the best!
Neat little device for the job.
I’m using the Analog Heat as a master filter and the DT + DN internal FX for build ups / drops but that’s a lot more knob tweaking (with potential messing up) obviously.
Sure it’s nice and convenient to have a „function per knob“ (that is, several parameters effects being tweaked by just a single knob).
Ohh yeahhhh the heat! Haven’t really tried that thing
@Liam Killen yeah it´s dope but I can also understand that some call it luxury (concerning its price, which, however, is quiet fair for whats inside, I think).
Check out Dave Mech´s recent video on his "instant mastering" preset for AH which is really useful for running it on the master (which is what I do always) for both live filter sweeps and saturation and some peak control.
You may want to check out the Roland MX-1 Aria… which works well with the boutique synths, has a 16 step sequencer that can add beatFX, and multiple combos of simultaneous effects. I got one a few weeks ago & I love it. Dropped 10 tracks mixed with it on my IG…
Thanks for the mention! 😊
It‘s very nice to learn about an alternative to the Octatrack for DJ-style performance. It seems a lot more straightforward to use for the use cases that it supports. And the price tag is a lot lower than the Octatrack‘s.
I wonder why is it that there haven‘t been any new developments in the performance hardware area in the last ten years?
I’ll have an octa next week 😏 can’t wait
In terms of DJ gear, nowadays you get most of these functions built into the core CDJ + DJM setup, or the XDJ all-in-ones. There's no need for a separate fx unit anymore. But really, things like this that have a limited number of functions but do them really well and are designed for ease of performance, are so useful in a dawless live setup that you'd think other manufacturers would be making such devices for that purpose. But they often seem to want to add loads of features at the expense of performance simplicity.
@@jammin023 good analog mixers doesnt come with fx byilt in for a reason.
I am very glad that I stumbled upon your video
Glad you found it 😊
Reminds of my old Behringer Tweakalizer. It has delay, filter and can sync to tempo.
Does it also look like a car radio ? lol
I use the rc 505 mk2 . Its great for builds , drops and obviously live audio looping . Just have to make sure you have a mixer with aux send . But this is a great idea also .
Oh yeah true !
We can use your experience over in my Discord community, if you're interested in that soet of thing:
discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
Hey Liam I have a question for you, sorry if it's a basic querstion, but if I had the rmx-1000 could I use it with my denon prime go? Thanks for all you do, you're super talented
Oh course you can! Just route master audio of denon out to the RMX-1000 and into your speaker / sound card :-)
@@LiamKillenThanks so much (adds RMX-100 to cart)!!
Thanks for sharing your dawless live setup research progressing.
Lots more to come 😊
Nice overview, I have been thinking about this unit also for live use for non DJ use, but I haven't had a chance to get hold of one. There is a RMX-1000 Ipad app version also, I wonder if this would work with external soundcard to get the similar result. Then again you are not limited with just the RMX app and could use any effects apps on the ipad.
Oh very cool! Maybe that could work too
the main problem is not that you dont have the fx already in your setup. You just need a seperate midi controller which is fully dedicated to the master fx. meaning great quality knobs, easy to acces. its a more a mental and physical seperation to switch context.
I see what you mean yeah.
Recommendations?
@@culturedslob anything compact you can reach easy and control with your eyes closed. 4 rotary knobs or faders , 4 buttons to toggle on/off with led, perhaps 4 momentary buttons. Something to easily train (fx) muscle memory. Filter - Space - Delay - Glitch
what great crunchy drums and percussions! love this synthwave house jam
Hey thanks! F’in A!
I love that distorted dumb kick at 9:43 PHATTT
Dummy kick lolol
You asked for comparisons, and I’m not sure they’re overlapping quite enough to compare but…Korg Kaoss Pad KP3 has some similar effects.
And it’s a tool partly for DJs to add live effect. It takes its own skill-building to learn things like builds and drops (not really what I use mine for mostly)
It’s been suggested a bunch!
@@LiamKillen sorry didn’t see! Curious what, if anything, you’ll say about it
Yes! Finally some love for these rmx units in a live setup. I think the real key with these is to have them routed as a pre-fader send on your mixer (or I have mine set to the sun group on tascam model 16) so you can pick and choose which elements you run through it.. keep the kick unaffected whilst semding the percussion off into echoey filtered oblivion. Great video. Try the rmx 500 if you can too, in theory it’s the inferior model but for this kind of dawless application I actually prefer it
Interesting take + something to consider
Awesome video, a lot of fun to watch as usual! I actually went with a Korg kaos pad as it found a great deal once. You should get one to review because it is so amazing and I am sure you'd find the best ways to use it. And therefore teach me 😄
I’ll consider it!
@@LiamKillen sérieusement the granular filter is great. The reverbs are ok, the delays are really good. I even use them for guitar.
Djs from deep house to techno have been using this lil bad boy to spice up there tracks while mixing for years. I haven't seen another DJ effects unit on top of mixer units for the last 10 years.
I know- even the top dudes are using it
Using it for some years now in hardware setups. Indeed great for builds and drops. Like you said it’s a popular (techno) DJ device so it has the “DJ price” issue. Same reason “DJ mixers” are so expensive compared to “studio mixers”. Cool video!
Thank you! Yeah DJ gear is fkn expensive jeez
New to all this ; I was looking into the Roland MX-1 for some mixed FX Features. I’m going to look into this as well
@@prestonostra I’m also looking at the mx-1. But for me I’m very much hybrid and use ableton as a super Fx chain (inspired by Tom cosm) and looper (blink looper) and I use usb inserts to achieve it. However the studio mixer I have to achieve the usb inserts, and even when I use mpcone, doesn’t have a really great way of adding an end of chain master Fx. Not is there any way of preview cue mix like we do in the dj world. Mx-1 still suffers from not having 3 band eq, and just one tone mixer, but it’s closer. And with the mx-1 you can still have he pioneer as insert Fx on the master, or on individual channels. The problem with dj mixers is just not enough channels for dawless live jamming. I’m going to have a proper study of kink, though, as he is dawless hybrid jamming performance
@@prestonostra oh.lol. And the mx-1 is no longer in production…… so I’ve got a bad case of fomo!
I use a Deluge with Faderfox MX12 and Oxygen Pro Mini. So that gives me 28 knobs and 16 faders - I have unique builds for every song that requires them, and they’re assigned to faders. FM controls on the Deluge, I don’t use much else for builds. I’m not purely a DJ though, I’m straddling a bunch of styles doing all original compositions and improvisations. But I highly recommend the Deluge, it’s super portable and so powerful.
Thank you for this addition! :-)
this device looks cool! great video
🍻
u must keep the input slightly slightly higher just a bit to equalize the sound with or without efx
Thank you , now i must buy this shit in my setup !!! 😆 thx for introducting :) 😉
Lol 🍻
Hey great video. I had this unit for a couple year. I actually just sold it this year. It was great but I found myself only using a couple of the effects … the echo types were my favorite.
The reason why I sold is because I couldn’t justify having a $700 unit just sit around. My train of though was my SP404 could be used for some of the same types of FX And the SP 404 did other things as well.
The other FX box that I actually have now and use for breakdowns and transitions is the Ninja Tune ZEN DELAY!
So long story short …I sold the RMX and kept the Zen delay and my SP. As far as FX goes I felt like the three were too similar the RMX was the most expensive, so I sold it.
Love to see what you do with RMX
If you have an opportunity also check out the Zen Delay.
404 is great for this too for sure but it doesn’t have that same build up + drop quality to it
I agree. Most of the fx and drops of the RMX are too "cheesy" IMHO
Can I hook that piece up to any controller, oh and you sound like you know your thing, ?? How can I make my sound come across clean and awesome on RUclips, is it the laptop or the controller that has to be on point.
Record into something like the zoom h5 then sync audio to visual in editing software
Such a coincidence I was looking into one of these recently. Then I checked the price and immediately started looking for something else. I know its supposed to be DAWless, but I could buy Ableton and a multitrack usb mixer for the same price and have way more.
They’re back babyyy
Aren’t the kaoss pads more or less the same kind of machine? Instead of the big knob you have a 2D pad, with effects combos that can make a drop happen too.
Yeah I never considered it - not sure they’re the best for builds n drops though- def something to check out
Another thought: might not be exactly what you're looking for, but if all you need is drops, you might want to look at the Korg Kaoss DJ controller. It's got two inputs, so you can switch between them using the fader.
There's a video on here by a guy named Matt Greer where he puts it to good use, and you can pick them up for a couple hundred bucks used.
It’s not the same! You don’t get the same control over your drops as with something like the RMX 1000
You got the groove .. always ! ... cheers !
Boom boom boom boom
I use Korg kaosspads to the same effect almost . The big ones, not the Minis. I even have it midi controlled at times. Interesting nevertheless really ! Might have a look at the pioneer too.
This was suggested a few times!
I use Octatrack with scenes fx template. You can have 64 scenes of custom fx build up or fades or breakdowns. You can achieve with eurorack modules o patching like Erica Synths Black Hole Dsp2 and Fx Aid XL, but as we all know much more expensive. Great video. Thanks for the demo.
I’ll have an octatrack coming in next week 😏
That's funny. Ive got this problem more with DAWS.
When i work with groovebox (op-z and polyend tracker especially) some of its effects make wonderful drops very easily.
They don't manipulate the audio though, which is why I bought rc-505mk2 which can do things similar to rmx-1000 and many more.
Rc-505mk2 has still some bugs but is is really usable in dawless setup right now,.
I appreciate this input! I’ll look deeper into the rc-505
2:42 the korg chaos pad quad is good for build ups and drops to :)
It’s been mentioned a lot!
Totally digging the grooves used in the video.
Hey thx!
@@LiamKillen Sounds very Progressive House or Deep House. That's my jam!
Thanks for making me aware about this - I might get the iPad version of it, if that's kinda usable as well.
Yeah it’s the bomb really
Hmmmm eeeenteresting. Those noise/spiral effects sound pretty sweet. Definitely DJ gear prices mind. I'd be tempted, but unfortunately I do also DJ and I am crap with the effects built into the controllers, so there's no reason to think I'd be any better with this (!!)
It’s pretty straight forward! But there are some sweet spots.
@@LiamKillen maybe for somebody with rhythm ;p
love the 90s aesthetic on this thing
Right!? It’s practically vintage at this point lol- made in 2010 I think?
Korg Kaoss Pad? A machine that can do alot of these stuff and more if I am not mistaken. Especially the later ones mk3 or mk4.
Yes!
I've been using the rmx-500 in live sets for a little while now and its a really fun and amazing peice of gear. Koasillaters can also help with doing these type of builds.
I checked it! Sounds dope AF!
Two questions about the rmx-500: Can you repeat different frequencies like shown at 8:58 ? Also can the samples be replaces like the rmx-1000?
Thanks
@@johnthebigtree No, they are fixed, but there are a couple of each type to choose from and no, it can't do the frequency trick!
Cool video. Neat tech. Groovy channel. Cheers.
Thank u! 😊
Yesterday: DAWless Liam
Today: DJ Killen
There might end up being a hybrid
I have the rmx 500 and I couldn't live without it
Love it!
Cool video, thanks. A nice alternative is Sugarbytes Turnado which is available on IOS so you can run it on iPhone and iPad. You get 8 slots for effects and can chop and change them as you like, they also order themselves sequentially depending on the order you adjust them. It's dead easy to control from the screen as it's designed with performance in mind or it's easy to map any midi controller with a few knobs.
Thank you for this suggestion!
That reese in the intro music is really nice.
Hey thanks it’s my track: Hyperfollow.com/lkmusic you can stream it here.
"PULL UP!!!!"
*Insert all East-Toronto-Mandem Ad-lib one can muster* 👉🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
ppouuulll uuuuuuuuupppp!
I am glad you reviewed this 99%You are likely doing Electron "mothering" as the start whilst yerboi is the Polyending"*".
😏
I saw some dude rocking this live at a Dawless jam in Berlin once, I thought it was same alien tech he stole from a spaceship - very cool
That or a 90s car dashboard radio
I (try to) do some live looping and the boss rc 505 has quite an extensive effects section which is fun
Dope!
seems pretty neat. im always trying to get better a live performance even if its just me running around my studio
It’s dope AF
First thing that came to mind were the old Pioneer EFX-500/1000's. Didn't realize this is Pioneer as well. It's basically the successor to those.
Yeah I think this is the best one too 😏
I think you can make transitions with drum machine only if you can be fast enough.like put some channels on mute make something like sweep up or down with FM,filter,and volume ,then unmute some tracks.
I have 12 tracks! A more streamlined machine like this is killer
I love the idea of adding effects to certain frequencies, like note repeat on only the highs to add hi hats for example. Are there less expensive effects units that do this same thing? *talking about the isolator fx*
Yeah the sp 404 mk2 is more affordable and offers a lot of other things!
Here’s a video: ruclips.net/video/EBKtwVluFl0/видео.html
Every setup could benefit from a decent live 2 track effect. Whether it be this, the pioneer efx, or the korg kaos pad they will glue everything together if used tastefully.
I’m gonna check the pioneer efx-1000 as well!
@@LiamKillen Dude I got the 500 for $100 bucks a few years back. AMAZING score. I'd love to try the 1000 or the RMX too.
i'm using the ipad app of rmx-1000. It works generlly speaking perfect connected via lighting to the usb slot to my pioneer djm-450 mixer switched to the internal return path of the djm. 20 dollars, this is extreme value compared to the 700$ of hardware. The ipad app delivers all. And it works with my old ipad air 2, over 8 years old. And the djm-450 inputs are feeded with my maschine+ outputs. Dreamteam M+ and DJM together with the rmx-1000 ipad.
Woah that sounds like an amazing deal!
Whats the name of the 2nd track playing? Really nice
I can’t check right at this moment but it’s either “that’s so meta” or “intakt”
Here’s a link to my music: www.Hyperfollow.com/lkmusic
I really like it but I know somebody could be putting these out for 2 to $300 instead of $1000. Charging a lot for the equipment absolutely does not make for a better musician. The boss RC 202 can do this as well for 2 - $300 , and the RC 505 kicks the crap out of it for about 5 - $600 in my opinion. I really like the long LED level indicators. Thx was wondering about this. Great video + very informative!
I’ll look further into those
@@LiamKillen Cool bro! I use an Arturia Microfreak into a Boss RC-202 along with a Boss FS-6 Dual Footswitch. Sick pedal!
How does the rmx 500 compare?
Not sure yet!
I've been wanting this for years, but I kept feeling like Pioneer was due to update the model. For that price I didn't want to buy and then see the new model... 5 years since thinking that and no new model and price is still pretty steep.
Yeah people talk about how Teenage Engineering gear is expensive AF…I payed 1300 CAD with taxes (that’s like 1k US) for an FX unit…it’s a lot!
But the great thing is that resale value stays very high as well- so if I want to reinvest I won’t be losing much
I like to use it on the output of which ever device is on melodic duties rather than the whole mix, so you can effect the melodic elements and not the drums.
You good take!
Ou ***
How to sync it up? Does it have a midi clock input ?
It’s really great at tempo auto detect- no midi and I like it 😏
Yeah, I've been on the fence about this one for some time. It's great for what it's designed for, and there's nothing similar, but it's expensive, so IDK.
Yeah fkn a lot
...im using my roland mx1 for that purpose😄 thought i could use this device instead,but honestly my mx1 sounds cleaner and has more possibilities...together with my kaosspad 3 the poss drives me nuts😅
Nice video btw!! Thanks!
Awesome thanks for the suggestion and for watching! :-)
Why not just use your OP-Z performance effects? Route your setup into the line in module and use those for buildups and drops etc. I use the performance track all the time and works perfect.
They’re not as good for drops and builds- like not even close
I have a very old Behringer device which essentially does the same thing but has a scratch platter. Had a lot of fun with that thing
Prob way cheaper and a rip off of some other similar unit too lol
@@LiamKillen Yes it was cheap. Lots of fun though. I don't know if they ripped it off but probably
Ngl some of these effects are pretty cool!
Super smooth + fun for live
If you want something nice on the cheap > Korg kaossilator mini... Just stereo FX and a X/Y touchpad. Nothing Hi-Fi but simple and efficient.
Thx for the rec
I have my studio going through a pioneer S9 DJ mixer, for similar reasons 😉😁🙌
😏
this piece of gear looks amazing for a live hip hop production capturing style. it definitely snuck past a lot of people and thats a good thing in terms of a secret weapon
It so did sneak past a bunch of people!
Snuck by ? It's bloody everywhere in every set you watch these days.
Hi Liam, what is the melody that you use from 11 minutes onwards please? 😎
These are my originals! 😊
@@LiamKillen Does it have a name? It is very good 👍🏻