I am a very minor stockholder in Tesla. I plan to buy a Tesla in the near future. I am totally NOT aligned with Mr. Musk's politics nor his views. I guess that I am willing to put my views aside. However, I AM aligned with the stated goals of the Tesla companies.
Buying a Tesla is perfectly fine despite Musk. I figure a strong majority of employees are not happy with Musk's politics. I support the employees and their mission. Tesla is more than Elon Musk. Too bad so many people judge the entire company by one man.
@@kdungan100 _"Tesla is more than Elon Musk"_ Is it though? It was literally just a concept until he showed up and bought in. Would you say the same about SpaceX.
@@liquidsnakex No one is disputing that Elon made Tesla what it is today. Just punishing Tesla to punish Elon hurts the over 100k+ employees and an American company.
@@kdungan100 Oh sure, totally agree there, but the people that want to punish him don’t care about any of that. We’re talking about the same cu lt that would happily crash the economy and starve their own family to de ath, just to “stick it” to anyone richer than them. Collateral damage is the least of their concerns.
Who are you to tell Musk what he should focus on? He has already achieved so much more than any other person. He would have not achieved that had he played by the ear, doing what random people think he should be doing. In fact, Musk's success is directly related to him not listening to the street's common sense. Get done humility dude.
I agree with Larry. Elon is hurting the brand. My son loves my M3 but won’t buy one because of Elon. My nephew bought an Ioniq5 instead of a MY. He told me that he liked the MY much better but he couldn’t let himself buy one because of Elon. It even cost less and he wouldn’t do it. My wife wants me to divest everything in Tesla even at a loss. Why? Because of Elon. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one encountering this.
It's sad that you view people who have a different opinion as yourself as evil and the enemy. When you sink to that level. You will rationalize any action against them, no matter how evil or bad it may be. Go back to buy gasoline cars and subpar EVs. I'm going to make a mint on Optimus and their other products because no one else is close to Tesla.
@@FrontLinePub Bang on, just look at their reaction to a former president nearly getting assassinated. They'll do anything just to suppress mean tweets, up to and including mur der.
Elon has destroyed tesla brand and car sales... I can't talk to any family and friends about tesla any more. They don't want to buy teslas ever now and previously they were at least open to learning abt it and all the tech and features I used to talk to them about and how amazing the engineering was. Now I can't discuss ANYTHING!! it's really sucks wish elon would stfu on politics.
So you want to censor him and violate his first amendment rights?? Me thinks you want censorship so much you can taste the Le Mon. Its up to you as to the conversations you have with your family and friends. It's of no interest or impact to anyone but you. There is no responsibility to simp to your concerns!!
@zachnunya8749 I agree with my friends and family completely. I didn't say I disagreed with them. Elon is spreading lies, misinformation for right wing political talking points that are often divisive and just plain bs.
People that are closed minded and can't listen to reason are people you don't need in your life. If they can't even talk about it, you know it's more personal than anything else.
That's you fault for allowing yourself to hate one person that one sides has lied about and attacked for years nonstop. The left has done the same with Elon as they have with Trump. I saw it as soon as Elon started voicing conservative ideals. You just haven't noticed the unfair attacks on Trump because, unlike Elon, you've been listening to the side that is threatened by Trump. Trump is wanting to do right by America and doesn't care what the political elite think. He's an outsider and they need people in their pocket like Biden. Same thing for Elon. He's powerful and doesn't go along with what either side wants. He does what he believes is right.
I try to separate Elon's politics from the products he sells - but man is it getting harder to do so. I worry that one day I'll find my car vandalized by someone who thinks I approve of Elon because I drive a Tesla. I can't think of any other product I have owned that carries a political label due to the association of the company CEO.
I agree 100%. I had a Model S Plaid and now have a CT, but was considering adding a new 3 performance, but I hesitate because of Elon and will probably sell the CT. He seems to have been hurt by things and is now lashing out over it like a scourned man. I wish he would just focus on his companies and not politics. You can't give your full attention to both.
X is not a free speech platform. Its selective free speech. I invest in Tesla for the tech and the possible room for growth. I see the vision but i dont agree with the CEO personally at all.
What I see is people being silenced on X when it would be helpful for Governments to silence those individuals.... So is X all that much better than the old Twitter? Show me some Data to help show what is going on...
THANK YOU LARRY. I drive a Tesla and own TSLA and I honestly believe that Elon is doing good in the world. That said, I am a liberal and live in Massachusetts. I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with people who want to buy an ev but don’t want to support Elon. Sales in California are also struggling. He needs to shut up.
What if elon is right... and we dont need to be grooming kids in elementary schools. Your liberal friends support teachers not telling parents about gender grooming
I TOTALLY agree with Larry !!! Elon, as a citizen, has the right to have his own political views, but also has a responsibility to respect the views and positions of ALL of the Tesla shareholders when he is speaking from the position as the CEO.
One additional comment: Elon has a fiduciary responsibility to Tesla and its shareholders. He is hurting us. I now worry that someone will vandalize my car because of him. I don’t have the same positive feelings I used to have driving my M3. Elon may not care (“give me money, give me power, I don’t care”), because he’s got all the money in the world, but as someone who has 3/4 of his life/retirement invested in Tesla, he is hurting me. I do care.
Teslas were being vandalized and charging stations "ICED" a decade ago, too, when he was a darling of the left and EVs were seen as purely leftist toys. Things have just switched places and colors.
Elon knows that shareholders and the board especially won't hold him to his fiduciary duties regardless of what he does. He's cultivated a cult of personality that doesn't hold him accountable.
He is not hurting us. The evil Marxist totalitarians that cannot accept anyone with a differing opinion, are hurting us. Elon is a far left liberal, and therefore he believes in basic civil rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. He is just stubbern that he does not want to give those rights up to the fascist regime. I agree with Elon.
@@markthomas7279 Yeah, you don't get it. Most early adopters were well educated, environmentally conscious progressives. They almost universally despise him now, with good cause. You can tell yourself his vile behavior isn't hurting him, but this is obviously false. Sales went from explosive growth to straight decline this year. His continued expressed hatred of California, where half of Tesla's sales are, is killing sales. Wake up.
Elon musk has been one of the most steadfast people I have ever seen on this planet, but to see that you have to have a large overview on how to bennifit humanity. Most people are not working at that level and therefor can not see why Elon does what he does. But like many things in life, we just need to trust in the mission and just do our bit to make the future described in the mission.
Amnesia? Elon M. was a supporter of Desantis and called Trump too old and past his time. Now he is bowing for Trump. Looks like not so steadfast as you think.
@@bartvanderheijden7055I'm voting for Trump. We have no other choice. Why should we try to pump up DeSantis? Right now we have no choice "we vote for Trump" This is not about Trump anyway. This is about voting for the Republican candidate most likely to win. No matter what! I wish we had far better than Trump, but we don't.
@@bartvanderheijden7055 Elon is very steadfast but he is also a realist and a businessman. So he works with the best that is available. You would do the same if you ran a business. Elons vision is very large and so many people lost in there own vision of what is going on but not understanding the vision Elon has.
@@bartvanderheijden7055Elon's not all knowing, and the most solid persons on earth .. Just like some of us he sees how things are changing and decides if he wants to change his views .. But he does think about his convictions way deeper than any normal human. And acts in what he thinks is right .. It's not really hard to understand ..😊
Elons for his own free speech not necessarily for those who disagree with him look at the journalist he has banned. He alienates his best customers. My neighbor bought a mustang e cause she can't stand his politics.
Elon needs to choose: Does he stay the CEO of Tesla or does he go into politics? They are not compatible. If his over political behavior persist, I would vote Elon out on the next Proxyvote, if the opportunity arises.
Larry is 100% correct. The vast majority of my investments are in Tesla, and I’m at the brinks of divestment because of Elon’s political shenanigans. It’s hurting the company.
His politics aren’t the problem. It’s the demonization of those who have different opinions. You don’t care when Apple is political, because you don’t notice it since you agree with it. Not saying it makes you evil or anything, but it is a bias.
A person can’t be a billionaire, or became the world’s first trillionaire, without becoming a prominent target of socialists for political attack. Not explaining that the valuation of the wealth is the total worth of the companies is the political scam.
Search: Billionaires shouldn’t exist The number of people holding this opinion will convince you that there’s no choice, but to be political. Socialism will politically target people for their net worth like crabs in a bucket. 🦀 What happens if he becomes the first trillionaire? Never mind how many jobs, and amazing products his companies are creating. Envy is a powerful political tool.
From my perspective, his attacks against LGBT people aren't just sad, it's devastating. He deliberately spreads misinformation about topics he knows nothing about, like he's some moral authority. He's joined the hatred bandwagon in a gambit for popularity. His own child, Vivian Jenna Wilson, is a transgender woman, yet he refuses to adjust his world view. She has spoken publicly about his failure as a parent as well.
Elon should stop lashing out at the world for his failures in his own personal life. His transgender daughter isn’t dead, she doesn’t talk to him because of his own behaviour. She deserves his grace and understanding, not public ridicule. He doesn’t have to like her choices, but he does have to accept them. She’s an adult who has a right to self-determination and happiness.
Yes. But he doesn’t have to agree. You demand people change reality to make you feel better and you lose a lot of people with common sense. He didn’t stop “her”. You don’t like people who point out obvious points because you want everyone to feel good because it makes you feel good.
He didn't say she was dead (if you are referring to the recent JP interview) - the media took what he said and twisted it - he said that his son was dead - in the context of "deadnaming" - please [re]watch the interview - he chose, as always, his words very carefully.
Not smart diversify, I was 25% Tesla not smart either, now only 10% and I’m considering saying screw it a dump it all, I canceled my CT order and no longer own Tesla, I use to love him, now the way he talks in public? He’s lost it, remember he’s made his billions, we are loosing ours because of his behavior
Musk isn’t political. He has interests in areas that are political. Border security with regard to his investments in South Texas. His personal life experience with regard to the crazy woke agenda that is tearing apart families and communities. His purchase of X and learning of the controls that government had placed on free speech. Learning from that the implications on voting in a free country - a country that he came to to build his businesses. Realising that the voice of an individual weighs more heavily than the quests for capital and invention. His neurodivergence will never be understood. He can change his entire direction if he feels it aligns with his mindset at the time. Musk has professionals running every department of his companies. He lives a simple life and he does not care if he fits in. He will not be swayed by power players against his convictions. I voted for Biden and Obama too, until I learned how deep the corruption runs there. We can change our minds and admit our misgivings. MSM has been overtaken. Musk has provided a platform for others similar to him. Creatives, intuitives and out of the box thinkers. He will never be understood and it will not matter to him if he is. That is why Elon excels at everything he does 👏🏽 He moves in FAITH 🙏🏽
You seem to be a naive adherent to a mindset that Trump also peddles at every rally. Totally based on false assumptions. The Republican party is the one responsible for the Purchase of the MSM by removing caps on who can own the media groups and affect what is covered in the news. Heinrich Himmler never had this much control of the propaganda levers in 1933. THINK as you are able to.
Nailed it; and everything you said is why I like everything Musk is about. Too many people tow the line like Sesame Street Muppets (muppets = hand up their arss controlling what they say) of the ultra wealthy and elites who manipulate and shape public opinion and the people’s perception of the world around them. These billionaire elites are also in bed with our politicians, manipulating them with their money and further shaping how our governing bodies make decisions for the nation. Musk, on the other hand, is counter to all of this elite driven manipulation, while at the same time being the world’s most brilliant technologist.
Free speech is the right to express your opinion without reproach from the goverment. But pissing off prospective buyers is detrimental to Tesla, and is not "free speech".
Hmmmm!! Me thinks to want to censor him so much you can taste the Le Mon! Try elucidating your views without violating his 1st amendment rights. I think it's not possible.
Republican lawmakers want to stop or slow down EV adoption. Some examples: * Republican lawmakers have sought to roll back proposed fuel economy standards that favor EVs. This includes efforts to block the Biden administration's stricter emissions standards for new vehicles, arguing that these standards are unrealistic and harmful to the automotive industry * In September 2022, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill aimed at stopping states like California from phasing out internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles. * Senators Mike Crapo (R-ID) and Pete Ricketts (R-NE) introduced the CARS Act to counteract the Biden administration's environmental agenda. This legislation aims to prevent the implementation of proposed rules and regulations that limit consumer choice in vehicles, specifically targeting EPA's authority under the Clean Air Act And the list goes on.
If a Democrat is the next president, I hope that their administration reaches out to Elon showing that they would like to work with him and his businesses in a constructive manner. Whatever the administration, they should aim to govern for all citizens, not just those who voted for them.
The Biden admin has said positive things about Tesla and has worked with the WH on multiple things. The next DEM admin would continue the EV/renewable friendly policies that benefits Tesla. MAGA will gut these EV friendly policies to promote fossil fuels and ICEs. Any politician would be smart to keep activist billionaires at arms length. Any Billionaire would be smart to not force political divisions to afflict their shareholders and brand safety.
@@dyemanoz yes they would love to work with the CEO of Tesla who send out knowingly a deep fake video of the next President of the US. You see the problem?
What many people do not understand is that for the direction that politics leads in the USA and the world in general if we do not all intervene in politics to defend our individual freedoms, in the not too distant future there will be no businesses to defend or people who can buy or even a car. I emigrated from Cuba to the USA in 2005 when I was 39 years old and I was able to buy my first car. In my country of origin, even though I was an Electronics Engineer, I would never be able to have one. Only the political elites have that privilege.
You understand the irony of your comment. If Elon M. or Trump have the decision power in 2005 about your immigration status you still would have been in Cuba.
I used to defend him. I used to love him. I invested 60, 000 dollars of my 100,000 house cash on Tesla because I believed in the company and him so much. I still love Tesla but now Elon bad and it makes me sad. Endorsing Trump was the final straw.
Totally agree. I have had three Teslas. I had 6600 shares. Huge Elon fan. But I'm looking to sell my current Model Y and sold all of my Tesla stock this year, after holding since 2017. Elon had become a monster. He is a lying narcissist, just like Trump. He thinks that he is God.
@@robbiehanson9882 he's endorsing free speach and true democracy, the man has been a life long Democrat and he's woke up to that fact that the democratic party has gone so far left we are in in dangerous territory.
Totally agree w Larry. I love Elon but he needs to pick a lane. Do you want to save the world and transition to clean energy or do you want to be a politician. He’s such a great man but he’s lost his mission.
You missed a very important point. Elon Musk is the CEO of Tesla. As such he has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the company. His involvement in politics can put my investment in Tesla at risk regardless of who wins the election. If Trump wins: 1)ALL of the incentives/regulatory requirements are at risk (and please don't tell me they don't matter when half of Teslas profits this quarter were based on regulatory credits), 2) Europe may turn against Musk as a result of Trumps withdrawal from Ukraine support, 3) China may turn against Musk as a result of s significant increase import duties. If Harris wins, well, seeing as she was an aggressive and very successful prosecutor, you can expect far more interference from the 3 letter agencies. Worse case, one fatal accident involving FSD (which already exists) and the Harris administration may deem it to dangerous to allow on the road. There could even be limits put on what SpaceX is allowed to do. His political involvement is a lose/lose situation. I was an executive with a very large IT company. I had to sign a Business Conduct document every year that stated that if anything I did, both business related or in my personal life, had a negative impact on the company, that I was subject to termination. I think the same should apply to Elon Musk.
The political state of the US is in the hands and mind control of the ShadowGovernment. We could not discuss the demise of the America we once knew without Elon at the helm of free speech. That is, most importantly , the concerning topic at the centre of x feeds now. Everything the unelected oligarchs are doing directly affects Musk and each of his investments. We are all responsible for finding out the truth and protecting ourselves accordingly. Musk would rather be inventing and engineering as would I, but my neuro-divergence simply won’t let me ignore the elephants in the rooms 🐘🐘
Yet Joe Biden can openly hype up GM & Ford with factory visits & test drives? Get over it, business is political. In fact, business is 90% of politics. And media too, owned by business.
No! His first amendment rights are principal here. If he states that TESLA supports this or that political view then perhaps then maybe that might breach fiduciary duty. Your inability to separate these issues is not reason to violate his first amendment rights. Obviously you can choose to sell your shares. That's your choice. Me thinks you want censorship so much you can taste the Le Mon!! All that said, it's fine to vent your views. That's YOUR first amendment right!
@@markthomas7279 He can say whatever he wants. His first amendment rights are not being infringed on. The first amendment only says the government can't limit what you can say. I as an individual or a company can limit anything we want on our property without violating his rights in any way. Oh and there are limits on what you can say. While yelling FIRE! in a dark theater isn't specifically illegal you can be indicted with endangering life and about half a dozen other charges for doing it. As for selling shares, my wife has already done so. I am not selling shares. He can say any damn thing he wants. But I agree whit the speaker. Tim Cook is a CEO and I don't have a clue about his political position on anything. He doesn't offend nor support anything publicly. He doesn't do anything that can negatively affect Apple, its shareholders or its sales. As a shareholder and an owner of two Tesla cars I would prefer he simply do his best to keep Tesla products as marketable as possible.
Gali had a great post on this. Thousands of Tesla owners are negatively affected by Elon every time he makes a political post. Is that fair power for one human? Agree with Larry that Elon should stay apolitical but I fear that Elon is deep in the David Sacks bubble who is a master MAGA manipulator.
Some topics he "comments" on he knows so little about compared to other people that have been legitimate, unbiased historians of the subject. Being frank is one thing. Being grossly opinionated without the commensurate unbiased knowledge is another. Bring back the old Elon. And I know, he's really been royally screwed over, smeared, and vilified by powerful people and organizations.
It's getting harder and harder for me to counter the negativity of my extended family toward Elon, including refusing to purchase a Tesla. Larry's view is right on, and its the majority view. Please, preach the middle road or stay apolitical. Find a way not to alienate significant sectors of society.
He can not save the world politically, even if he focuses only on Poltics. Pride goes before fall. His success has gone to his head and frankly he’s CRAZY.
Most people are somewhere in the middle, politically. The 10% of the far left which are hyper-woke progressives, and oppositely, the 10% who are right-wing extremists get all the attention, and Elon seems to think half the country is super progressive, so his rhetoric and responses have been equally extreme, and to such a degree, he is literally alienating half the population. Tesla has even more compelling products than Apple and Nvidia, yet those companies are dominating, and in no small part to the fact that I have no idea where Tim Cook and Jensen Huang lean politically. They have no time because they are too busy focusing on their businesses. To put it simply, they have done NOTHING to alienate half of all potential customers. Politics is inherently divisive, thus should ideally have no part in business. Just imagine how many more Teslas would be on the road if Elon remained a-political.
Oh I know exactly where Tim Cook leans. He once told investors if they didn't like his progressive views they could sell their shares. He just doesn't get much press about it because the media is left leaning.
Meanwhile, Apple spent nearly $9.9 million on federal lobbying efforts in 2023 - the most in a single year on record dating back to 1998, according to disclosures compiled by OpenSecrets. That was up from $9.3 million in 2022 and $6.5 million in 2021. Overall, Apple’s total spending on federal lobbying efforts amounted to $32.4 million from 2020 through 2023. That marked an increase from $25.9 million from the previous four-year window of 2016 through 2019. The spending, while notable by Apple’s standards, still trailed that of Meta, Amazon and Google. Antitrust watchdogs said Apple also uses various tactics that don’t show up in its federal lobbying tally - including frequent intervention at the state level to block or water down bills that could hurt its business.
Nvidia customers are mega-$billion companies chasing AI. Who questions Exxon CEO belief system while buying gas? Maccas? The land developer for the house you own? Your divorce lawyer? Get real.
@@MrCPPG Tim Cook is not on X everyday calling Trump an idiot. If he did, every Maga hat wearing Trumper would light their iphone on fire and upload the video.
@@iandavies4853 have you ever brought up Elon's name in mixed company when out in public? I have multiple times and the level.of vitriol that's spewed back at me is frankly unimaginable and if you don't think that has a real world impact on sales, you need to "get real."
My wife is a school teacher (in the south) and in a meeting preparing for the new school year the teachers were reminded that they reflected the school and needed to avoid going to bars, scandalous behavior, revealing dress, etc. Poorly paid professionals, but they are expected to be role models even in their free time. The CEO should be bound to have his personal life reflect well on the company. He is well compensated.
So tell that to the richest man in the world and see if he listens to you. Or just buy stock in some other company. I have seen leaders behave much worse and not even own their behavior, Elon knows absolute power corrupts absolutely and tries to do something about it. (For himself). Pogo says, "We have met the enemy and he is us".
Finally someone calling Elon out. Like how the fuck doesn't Elon see the math? You're trying to be a leader of the townsquare for the world which is supposed to be neutral and free of bias and yet he's clearly fucking biased. Sad to see him go this way.
I think he starts seeing g it but it's a bit too late. The myriad of tesla fluffers, pseudoprophets, and green powder selling charlatans out there sure worsened the situation.
Have been a huge supporter of Elon since 2010. (Investor since 2013) Supporting Trump is simply a huge mistake. Trump is all about hate, division and political violence. For years I’ve associated Elon with Disney because of his creative and positive contributions. Sadly, not anymore. He now associates himself and supports a very hateful loser. Tragic.
Trump is about Trump, not hate, division and political violence, he is a populist. His opposition just say these things about him. New Yorkers are sometimes hard to like. I'm not making any excuses for his behavior. Put it all together.
I used to say “I am a proud Elon cultist”, apparently I’m not a cultist because it was easy to jump off the bandwagon when he started indirectly criticizing me and my political opinions. I’m not a fan of his support for Trump, but he also name calls, calling much of society as woke or Left or Democrats as if that’s a bad thing. This is what I find personally offensive. He is welcome to his opinion, but criticizing his fans is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Elon is tying his wagon to a guy that ridicules handicapped people, Vietnam veterans, etc. and frankly is NOT in favor of anything America stands for. So even though politically I am opposite of Larry I must say I agree with him here.
He is not tying his wagon to anything or anyone else!! He has discerned that Trump is a better option than Harris Thereafter he is pursuing that to a logical conclusion.vTjis does not mean he agrees on all issues.!! His views stand totally desperate to Trump or indeed anyone else.
He is not tying any wagons to anything. He has simply discerned that Trump is a better 'net' option than Harris, in HIS opinion. Thereafter he is pursuing that to its logical conclusion as best he can. That does not mean he agrees on all the issues and policies. I'm sure he does not. What you are seeking to do is to strong arm him to express your party line through guilt. Clearly if TESLA, the company expressed a view or provided finance that might be different. I think you should go vent your spleen at companies that lobby and donate to political causes. You are barking up the wrong tree!! These are personal views and donations made by Musk as a private citizen.
Let's not forget that Trump literally offered to let oil and energy companies write any legislation they want if they donated a specific amount he asked for. Does Elon think Tesla's not going to get hosed by that?
I agree with you 100% does Elon want to build a political brand or does he want to Tesla, SpaceX, starlinx etc. to maximize the return for the shareholders, he You should leave that job to Tucker Carlson and stick to what he does best.
I’ve spent more than a decade defending Elon from haters but his support of Trump is unforgivable. Now Trump will loose so this insanity, which is also KILLING Tesla sales, will be for naught. I have three friends who have decided not to buy Tesla simply because Elon is dealing with trump.
@@janh-r8hHistory shows that the opposite is true. He’s only voted Democrat before and he’s became richest man in world under democrats. If he keeps pushing Trump Tesla will KEEP TANKING and it will cost him up to 100 billion more than the few billion Donald will save him in taxes.
Every moment spent on sharing his political views, is a moment from his duty to his companies and shareholders. We just approved a multibillion dollar package, I want a return on my investment not to listen to Elon rant about politics and bashing the left constantly! His opinions and views affect my investment. It’s OK to support free speech, I don’t agree Elon should be an enabler of one party or the other or share his views in a manner that compromises the performance of his companies by saying shit that angers potential or existing customers and shareholders. Needs to focus on building his businesses. Part of the reason Tesla is hated by current administration is Elon. Needs to come down from the clouds and get to work. I don’t need a keyboard warrior, I need a CEO focused on his companies 100%! Elon has changed for the worse after his X investment.
You have the ability to sell your investment if you think it's going down. Like Bill Gates short the stock if you really think Elon is detrimental to the company
Elon works more than any other executive globally and his rate of return to shareholders makes the others look pitiful by comparison. What Elon does in his own time is his business. If you don't like it then sell your stock. If you don't hold any shares in your portfolio then why do you care . . . unless it is about virtue signaling? Did your comment here add value to those that you have financial responsibility? If not, why don't you get back to revenue generation?
There's a great line from an Episode of Fargo. "There's only one type of person who has complete freedom with no responsibility, a baby, you want to be a baby." Apart from legal obligations, everyone has moral responsibilities being part of civil society. Unfortunately, Elon seems to be more committed to his 'freedoms' than the mission.
Maybe you shouldn't get your moral reasoning from literal fiction written by some of the most biased people on Earth. Allowing others to express their opinions regardless of how distasteful you find them, is also a moral responsibility. It's literally a prerequisite for a civilization and one of the few things that makes places like the US superior to places like China or North Korea.
I wss in the process of investing my super into Tesla but my now I can't. I love Tesla with all my heart but Elon has become anti Tesla by endorsing Trump. My decision to not invest in Tesla is based on my morals and the fact that I care about our environmental and our people. Trump does not and Elon is with him!
Did emissions go down under trump? Did car mpg go up under trump? Govt taking over companies like the SS is cool, as long as you are german. What you you do when the SS decides YOU arent part of their plsn anymore?
...” who could have imagined that simultaneously selling a product that's billed as an environmentalist choice, and at the same time endorsing a fascist who prides himself on destroying the environment wouldn't work out..?"
UK Govt. has asked Elon to stop stoking right wing violence, he tweeting supporting the UK riots which are against all people of color not just muslims. India has issued a travel advisory about England. As a shareholder this concerns me.Could those lead international boycott of Tesla?
Most CEOs are smart enough to stay away from politics. If you publicly support one side, you lose the other side. California is the largest car market in the US by a wide margin. California buys more EVs than the other 49 states - equal to Texas and Florida combined. Attacking California and supporting a political candidate, is NOT going to help our TSLA investments.
I’m a big fan of Elons missions and an investor in Tesla, but he can’t keep re-tweeting things like the fake Kamala video without posting on his account that it was a fake video! He violated his own Rules! He needs to update the software so that if you retweet a parody deep fake video it clearly states it’s a parody deep fake video!
@@Gunter_Customso you’re saying he is a dictator, rules are for others but he can do whatever he wants. X has other investors even though it’s a private company.
IMO Elon consistently oversimplifies extremely complicated/nuanced political situations with half explained tweets or sound bites. Often he is simply ill informed. If he had an engineer working for him who commented on an engineering problem with the same oversimplification that Elon does with politics, Elon would fire that person immediately.
But that's his right, right. Even if you think he is right (politically). Every CEO simplifies. That's the route to success. Engineers offer no value if they know less than the CEO on the engineering details.
That's your view, Jonathan. How well informed are you, and how do you tell? When it comes to value judgement, an open and free society leaves that to the individual and respect the individual right to believe and express their beliefs.
He needed to be a bit more measured how he expressed his views. I have investments in tesla. I was going to buy a Tesla. I stopped myself from buying one. I'll keep my 10 year old car. He has turned me off. Gali said it best. Tesla USED TO symbolize something awesome, now it's divisive.
Larry hit the nail on the head. Several times. My take is: If Elon wants to get political messages out there, then he'd benefit more by putting the resources into it to make it make sense. Short, sometimes vague posts about this or that just give one side or both the opportunity to make up their version of what he supposedly means. Put some data behind the opinions, and presumably they'll be more credible. Overall, though, the best thing to do is to pick a lane (Engineer/entrepreneur OR political messiah/windbag/call-it-what-u-want), and then focus on getting it done. Sure, the 4D chess moves might be in play here on the big picture/AI/politics/you-name-it, but in the meantime, it's making Tesla's development/expansion harder than it has to be. I believe, like Larry, the future of the company is secure, and it will return me many times my investment (actually already has, but I expect it to repeat). The sideshow political stuff just makes it more volatile in the near term, and more subject to the whims of whatever group is in power in his biggest market (all companies/nations considered).
The problem is he’s made enemies on both sides. And the right will side with him politically but won’t actually buy a Tesla. It’s definitely impacted sales. I’ve seen so many people taking deliveries of Rivians, Lucids, Lyrics, Kia/Hyundais and so on that could have been Teslas. And most will post why they didn’t buy a Tesla, because of Elon.
Most insightful thing anyone said here, yet strangely doesn't have even half as many like as all the _"how do you do, fellow Tesla investors"_ bot comments. Copmala campaign must be getting desperate, Musk is probably next on the federale's assass ination list.
My heart sinks every time I see a political tweet from him. I’m a huge Elon supporter in general, understand why he holds the position he does and think his character is often unfairly attacked, but he is really pissing me off. He needs to stop with this nonsense.
I was "ALL IN" w Musk and the mission. He has gone too far right, IMHO. I cancelled a M3P and tried to cancel CT, but it was too late in the process. I love my CT I took delivery of last week. I have to say that Elon's position and the way he is influencing a move to the right with X has taken a bit of the enjoyment of owing Tesla products including my solar glass roof. I'm done buying his products just to support his mission which has changed.
The world is politics. You can not change the world without getting involved in politics. The very act of changing the world is an extremely political act.
@@Agnemonsthen, perhaps he might consider supporting a more democratic political side. My personal belief is that as a CEO, he should focus on sales and not politics.
Elon is well aware of MSM’s faults but he continues to say whatever is on the top of his head without regard to the brand he’s piloting. It’s not all MSM’s fault either. A lot of it is the shit he posts on X.
I am a big Tesla fan and have dedicated my life to eliminating my carbon footprint. Over the last decade I have reduced my carbon footprint 250%. I am a big fan of Elon Musk and what he has done, and continues to do, to transition the world away from fossil fuels. I am a climate scientist and father of 2 children. I was incredibly disappointed that Elon Musk disowned his own daughter because she is transgender. Instead of Elon saying "I have gained a wonderful daughter and I love her", Elon said "I lost my son." and then disowned his own child. I don't get it. I will still support Elon's companies because they are good for humanity. I am stunned and disappointed at how he treats his new daughter. Being a supporter of Canada's Green Party and NDP Party, I am much more politically and socially progressive. I am disappointed that Elon supports Trump and the Republican Party. The Republican policies are bad for Americans and a danger to the planet. Trump is a horrible human being and an even greater threat to the world. I support the far left politicians in the US like Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee, Ro Khanna, AOC, etc.. I wish Elon supported these politicians, as well as his own children. Peace, Calvin.
@@environmentalcanadian2338 Too bad. Millions are thrilled that Musk abandoned the left wing poison that is destabilizing the west. Musk is a free thinking national treasure, not a bot.
Elon does not have a new daughter. He still has a son who has been mutilated mentally by the woke mind virus crowd. He is smart enough to know the danger of this stuff. He isn’t political but has figured out how dangerous some political ideas are and is willing to challenge them. Trump is decisive because he too is not willing to just go long to get along. Just sayin.
The comparison of an indy band is way off. The indy band is because one becomes jealous of so many other people liking the same band you shared with a small group of people and felt that it was your secret. In this case, Elon was being picked on by everyone, how Tesla was going to fail. So many of us wanted Elon to succeed because we believed in his vision. This situation does not compare.
@@bigdaddy1279 He never changed, he's clearly the same guy he was 10 year ago, you only started hat ing him because the TV told you to, and you followed orders like a good little ant.
He's not forcing you to invest in his company, if you agreed with the direction the company is going and that they will accomplish thier goals than you know the rewards far outweigh the temporary concerns
You can't let yourself be governed by other peoples impression of you. Other people's impression of you is biased by their lack of knowledge of what you know or in other words ignorance.
@@patrickhodgson2222 Nope. People that think that your impression is more important than being genuine are the dinosaurs. The world is changing. In some ways people are getting smarter and have become immune to BS marketing.
I'm very sad to say that for years already people in Europe have been hating on Elon very hard, maybe 95% of people I talk to really hate him to the point I stopped bringing him up because I know that I will sound silly to them and be alone trying to defend him. It doesn't matter what I say and this has nothing to do with recent developments. It's to do with the fact he's a billionnaire, what he did with Twitter, is political views, childish tweets and what they see as huge ego issues. For context, I work in a very well known tech company with 500 people from all around the world, especially Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Europe mainly.
And that opinion they have of Elon Musk make them hate his companies too, and they prefer not to invest in Tesla because of him and of what he represents for them. Unfortunately it's a lost cause to try and change their mind. I've tried many times and all it did was make people think I'm crazy or a deluded Elon fanboy, so I stopped. He's purposely bringing this upon himself.
Two things that CEOs of companies never talk about: 1) Religion 2) Politics both are based not in logic but on emotions and pissing off 1/2 your customer base is something the stockholders will sue elon over
@@jrr2479 No his #1 responsibility is fiduciary to the stockholders personal views have nothing to do with running a company and the stockholders will sue him for the damage he has inflicted on Tesla.
The mission was globally good. The political actions have destroyed my ability to support his political aims. I do NOT support these actions. What he is doing is creating a HUGE wave of people who will not support his mission.
What are his political aims? Free speech? Equality? Merit? What specifically is reprehensible? Why should a difference of opinion cause such consternation?
I agree. To be blunt he needs to STFU about politics and just provide the free speech platform. He is pissing off a lot of the people who really want him and Tesla to do well. It seems like there is more going on in his head at the moment more so than normal. I don't think anyone is going after him though so nothing to worry about there. And I agree it is costing Tesla money, I mean before a lot of people didn't like him, but he's making himself even more unlikable. I'm still a huge Tesla supporter but it's getting harder to try to support him. The problem is, he is supporting the worst person who has ever ran for and been president and it's inconceivable of his full support even after he had to quit from his business group after he left the Paris accord. He knows he is a fool and it feels like he's just supporting him for monetarily reasons.
Great observations. As a shareholder, I’m pretty much in line with the unease about blurred line between a CEO creating a platform/space for free speech (then steps away) and one that, metaphorically, throws orange paint on the Mona Lisa.
This is a discussion that the Tesla bulls like us should have . It’s high time. We supported and voted for his remuneration etc. we do have a stake in this.
I believe in the mission and no longer the man. I am a sizeable stockholder and was one of his biggest supporters... but no longer. But ... the mission baby ... F X
All I know is the vast majority of people in my life who have commented that they agree with Elon on social and political issues have ZERO plans to purchase a Tesla.
Teslas are very expensive for the average American. I would love to get one, I agree with Elon but also have to watch my budget. And ICE are unaffordable as well. Currently driving a 22 year old vehicle I have learned to maintain myself. Please understand nit everyone is a millionaire or is set for life with Tesla stock. If you spend all you time in the company of folks whose net worth is in the 6 figures, your opinion gets skewed.
What's that got to do with it. Really!! What's that got to do with it!! Elucidate your views without denying his first amendment rights. I don't think that's possible. I think you want censorship so much you can taste it!!
I’m all in on Tesla. But I’m 100% against him being the only ceo who is going so mindlesslessly political. No other ceo does. He seems to have no emotional intelligence with any except the Chinese leadership. He needs to try to think of everything he does as requiring that restraint.
Hmm.. not sure he's mindlessly political. Nor that he has no EI, and, to be fair, the Chinese leadership is being a lot more progressive about making the good changes happen that needed to happen several decades ago in industrialised western "free and open democracies" [*cough, choke, spit*]. - Having said that, I still largely agree with you: folks with that much money naturally have outsized influence AND power, and so it's going to seem way unfair to most regular folks that they start then also meddling directly in society by making statements and comments and politics, too.
He can not ‘act normal’ just because that’s what everyone tells him to do. He is a genius and is so because he is not middle of the road. He is exceptional in what he does. Restraint is what makes up 70% of the population. It’s best not to put Mr Musk into a box and risk stifling creativity. I watched it destroy my creative daughter 😢
@@lissacablerware8475 but that is my point. He DOES & CAN act normal. With the Chinese leadership… Essentially - when he KNOWS he HAS to toe the line, he does. He doesn’t feel it is worth it. So he doesn’t in democracies…
Regarding the shining light to what is broken, the problem is that unfortunately he completely lacks the skill set to do that in a way that is actually net positive, what he is doing now is just driving more and more wedges between groups and polarizing people more. And regardless what you try to do that is not a positive change as it only brings more tension, more crisis, more of all the negative and pretty much none of the positive. And this is coming from someone who is a fan of the guy. But unfortunately the story arc that he is now on is not a positive one as he is a driving force towards more and more polarity and less and less common sense. 😕
He has his own beliefs it has nothing to do wuth his son its economy people can't you see it people don't have the money right now cuz of the Biden regime people can't hardly by food is that Elons false no if your upset with him going Republican that's his right grow up people
It is simple. It is great to have a open platform. Like X. But shut the f up on your view about the politics. By saying you support this or that politician. You are injecting bias into your own platform and fan hate speech more.
His platform, eX-twitter, is not open. Earlier this week eX-twitter suspended an account that raised money for Harris with no explanation, presumably at his request. I used to like him and believed in his mission. But I hate dishonesty and taking advantage of your position which Musk is doing. Stuff is happening now that indicates that he is fundamentally dishonest. What a colossal disappointment he has become.
Agree with Larry, it does cost sales but the real picture is so much bigger that it’s really inconsequential. Having met and dealt with many individuals on the spectrum, including him, I think that has to be taken into account and one should not be so quick to judge.
Every world event, small or big... The genous elon has to jump in and tell the world what he thinks, even though no one asked him... While i have no idea whats the opinion of jeff bezos, zuckerberg, gates and so on... But Elon cant stop talking...
Elon has the right to express his opinions. I am a shareholder and I find it ridiculous that people think otherwise… If people are deciding on what they shouldn’t buy based on someone’s political views, then they should stop buying everything made in countries that are run by dictators! Otherwise they’re just hypocrites…
@@jhelotes5627 No, shareholder's loss. That is my issue. He has stated explicitly that he doesn't care about share price he just wants his way. This is becoming more and more difficult for me to deal with. I don't care what his political beliefs are. He still has only one vote. But his continual statements that go against 1/2 the prospective buyers is simply counter to Tesla selling cars.
You must not know how herds of people behave buddy. He has the right to express, but his choice has consequences. That's all that's being stated here. Neutral town square fails when the leader of the town square is clearly biased. Basic human psychology.
Follow Larry: x.com/TeslaLarry
@@farzyness thank you sir. Love your show. You are a smart guy , too, but Larry has wisdom. Heh,heh,heh.
@@cleroyster2610Wisdom requires years of experience.
@@LaurieKelly-wp1xb Larry is 78 years old.
woke communist have gone too large time to reel it in.
I don’t listen to NPR as much as before.
I am a very minor stockholder in Tesla. I plan to buy a Tesla in the near future. I am totally NOT aligned with Mr. Musk's politics nor his views. I guess that I am willing to put my views aside. However, I AM aligned with the stated goals of the Tesla companies.
Why would you put YOUR views aside!!! Put HIS views aside. Because they are irrelevant.
Buying a Tesla is perfectly fine despite Musk. I figure a strong majority of employees are not happy with Musk's politics. I support the employees and their mission. Tesla is more than Elon Musk. Too bad so many people judge the entire company by one man.
@@kdungan100 _"Tesla is more than Elon Musk"_
Is it though? It was literally just a concept until he showed up and bought in. Would you say the same about SpaceX.
@@liquidsnakex No one is disputing that Elon made Tesla what it is today. Just punishing Tesla to punish Elon hurts the over 100k+ employees and an American company.
@@kdungan100 Oh sure, totally agree there, but the people that want to punish him don’t care about any of that.
We’re talking about the same cu lt that would happily crash the economy and starve their own family to de ath, just to “stick it” to anyone richer than them. Collateral damage is the least of their concerns.
Elon needs to focus on his business and creating shareholder value, not turn X into a mouthpiece for his political rantings. I 100% agree with Larry!
Who are you to tell Musk what he should focus on? He has already achieved so much more than any other person. He would have not achieved that had he played by the ear, doing what random people think he should be doing. In fact, Musk's success is directly related to him not listening to the street's common sense. Get done humility dude.
Elon is at total war against the radical left
he is turning HIS x account into HIS mouthpiece... like everyone else.
I agree with Larry. Elon is hurting the brand. My son loves my M3 but won’t buy one because of Elon. My nephew bought an Ioniq5 instead of a MY. He told me that he liked the MY much better but he couldn’t let himself buy one because of Elon. It even cost less and he wouldn’t do it. My wife wants me to divest everything in Tesla even at a loss. Why? Because of Elon. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one encountering this.
Because your son is very naive, influenced by media and celebrities
@@mattsparks5957 FYI- not that it makes a difference in your philosophy, but the Ioniq is a Hyundai, a Korean brand.
@@jasontran8095 no, not naive, he has a conscience.
It's sad that you view people who have a different opinion as yourself as evil and the enemy.
When you sink to that level. You will rationalize any action against them, no matter how evil or bad it may be.
Go back to buy gasoline cars and subpar EVs. I'm going to make a mint on Optimus and their other products because no one else is close to Tesla.
@@FrontLinePub Bang on, just look at their reaction to a former president nearly getting assassinated.
They'll do anything just to suppress mean tweets, up to and including mur der.
Elon has destroyed tesla brand and car sales... I can't talk to any family and friends about tesla any more. They don't want to buy teslas ever now and previously they were at least open to learning abt it and all the tech and features I used to talk to them about and how amazing the engineering was. Now I can't discuss ANYTHING!! it's really sucks wish elon would stfu on politics.
So you want to censor him and violate his first amendment rights?? Me thinks you want censorship so much you can taste the Le Mon. Its up to you as to the conversations you have with your family and friends. It's of no interest or impact to anyone but you. There is no responsibility to simp to your concerns!!
I’m sorry for the quality of people you’re surrounded by.
@zachnunya8749 I agree with my friends and family completely. I didn't say I disagreed with them. Elon is spreading lies, misinformation for right wing political talking points that are often divisive and just plain bs.
I mean, it sounds like they're very much into ideological purity. In which case only compliance or silence would have won them over in the long term.
People that are closed minded and can't listen to reason are people you don't need in your life. If they can't even talk about it, you know it's more personal than anything else.
Great discusion. Thanks for bringing up the subject. It broke my heart and filled it with anger and hate for Elon when he endorsed Trump.
Funny how Dems go right to hate all the time .. 😂
That's you fault for allowing yourself to hate one person that one sides has lied about and attacked for years nonstop.
The left has done the same with Elon as they have with Trump. I saw it as soon as Elon started voicing conservative ideals.
You just haven't noticed the unfair attacks on Trump because, unlike Elon, you've been listening to the side that is threatened by Trump. Trump is wanting to do right by America and doesn't care what the political elite think. He's an outsider and they need people in their pocket like Biden.
Same thing for Elon. He's powerful and doesn't go along with what either side wants. He does what he believes is right.
I thought Elon was smarter than that to endorse Donald Trump. Maybe this is just who Musk is.
@@emayhand he's about the smartest man in the world ...
You on the other hand 🤷🤦😔
I try to separate Elon's politics from the products he sells - but man is it getting harder to do so. I worry that one day I'll find my car vandalized by someone who thinks I approve of Elon because I drive a Tesla. I can't think of any other product I have owned that carries a political label due to the association of the company CEO.
I don't see a way he can get out of this corner/trap. That will be harder than any of the technical challenges
I agree 100%. I had a Model S Plaid and now have a CT, but was considering adding a new 3 performance, but I hesitate because of Elon and will probably sell the CT. He seems to have been hurt by things and is now lashing out over it like a scourned man. I wish he would just focus on his companies and not politics. You can't give your full attention to both.
X is not a free speech platform. Its selective free speech.
I invest in Tesla for the tech and the possible room for growth. I see the vision but i dont agree with the CEO personally at all.
What I see is people being silenced on X when it would be helpful for Governments to silence those individuals.... So is X all that much better than the old Twitter? Show me some Data to help show what is going on...
In 2019 , your statement is accurate
THANK YOU LARRY. I drive a Tesla and own TSLA and I honestly believe that Elon is doing good in the world. That said, I am a liberal and live in Massachusetts. I cannot tell you how many conversations I’ve had with people who want to buy an ev but don’t want to support Elon. Sales in California are also struggling. He needs to shut up.
And miss the one opportunity to be effective?
What if elon is right... and we dont need to be grooming kids in elementary schools.
Your liberal friends support teachers not telling parents about gender grooming
I TOTALLY agree with Larry !!!
Elon, as a citizen, has the right to have his own political views, but also has a responsibility to respect the views and positions of ALL of the Tesla shareholders when he is speaking from the position as the CEO.
Free speech, remember?
I used to be an Elon fan and bought a 2018 model 3. will never buy another one, not a fan of Elon anymore
One additional comment: Elon has a fiduciary responsibility to Tesla and its shareholders. He is hurting us. I now worry that someone will vandalize my car because of him. I don’t have the same positive feelings I used to have driving my M3. Elon may not care (“give me money, give me power, I don’t care”), because he’s got all the money in the world, but as someone who has 3/4 of his life/retirement invested in Tesla, he is hurting me. I do care.
Teslas were being vandalized and charging stations "ICED" a decade ago, too, when he was a darling of the left and EVs were seen as purely leftist toys.
Things have just switched places and colors.
Elon knows that shareholders and the board especially won't hold him to his fiduciary duties regardless of what he does. He's cultivated a cult of personality that doesn't hold him accountable.
He is not hurting us. The evil Marxist totalitarians that cannot accept anyone with a differing opinion, are hurting us. Elon is a far left liberal, and therefore he believes in basic civil rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. He is just stubbern that he does not want to give those rights up to the fascist regime. I agree with Elon.
How he votes is none of your business.
@@PeterTerrenthen why doesn’t he shut up about it?
He has the right to his opinion and to express it, but they are counterproductive and has damaged the brand immensely.
I think any brand damage is limited to a few activists. Certainly insufficient to warrant curtailment of first amendment rights.
He has a responsibility to the shareholders of Tesla to not destroy the company.
@@erickuelker5079Which he clearly doesn't respect since shareholders and the board never hold him accountable in any way.
@@TheSpartan3669Any proof?
@@markthomas7279 Yeah, you don't get it. Most early adopters were well educated, environmentally conscious progressives. They almost universally despise him now, with good cause. You can tell yourself his vile behavior isn't hurting him, but this is obviously false. Sales went from explosive growth to straight decline this year. His continued expressed hatred of California, where half of Tesla's sales are, is killing sales. Wake up.
Edorsing Trump the most divisive human on Earth was so dumb.
agreed
@@robbiehanson9882 agree 💯
This. And then to add money to the system. Ugh.
Biden and Harris hates Elon. Trump admires and supports Elon. Who is he going to support.
Who else he could endorse? Of course not the far left leaning Kamala.😂
Elon musk has been one of the most steadfast people I have ever seen on this planet, but to see that you have to have a large overview on how to bennifit humanity.
Most people are not working at that level and therefor can not see why Elon does what he does. But like many things in life, we just need to trust in the mission and just do our bit to make the future described in the mission.
Amnesia? Elon M. was a supporter of Desantis and called Trump too old and past his time. Now he is bowing for Trump. Looks like not so steadfast as you think.
@@bartvanderheijden7055I'm voting for Trump. We have no other choice. Why should we try to pump up DeSantis? Right now we have no choice "we vote for Trump"
This is not about Trump anyway. This is about voting for the Republican candidate most likely to win. No matter what!
I wish we had far better than Trump, but we don't.
Any father that would announce to the world that his son is dead, while his trans daughter is alive and well, is a truly despicable human.
@@bartvanderheijden7055 Elon is very steadfast but he is also a realist and a businessman. So he works with the best that is available. You would do the same if you ran a business.
Elons vision is very large and so many people lost in there own vision of what is going on but not understanding the vision Elon has.
@@bartvanderheijden7055Elon's not all knowing, and the most solid persons on earth ..
Just like some of us he sees how things are changing and decides if he wants to change his views ..
But he does think about his convictions way deeper than any normal human.
And acts in what he thinks is right ..
It's not really hard to understand ..😊
Wow respect level for Larry just went up exponentially! The only one on the panel seeing reality as it is.
Elons for his own free speech not necessarily for those who disagree with him look at the journalist he has banned. He alienates his best customers. My neighbor bought a mustang e cause she can't stand his politics.
Larry is only interested in saving his investments
Yah the other Tesla RUclipsrs do whatever Elon does
Yes.. much respect to Larry.. he is absolutely right
Elon needs to choose: Does he stay the CEO of Tesla or does he go into politics? They are not compatible. If his over political behavior persist, I would vote Elon out on the next Proxyvote, if the opportunity arises.
Larry is 100% correct. The vast majority of my investments are in Tesla, and I’m at the brinks of divestment because of Elon’s political shenanigans. It’s hurting the company.
Sell so I can buy at a cheaper price. But you won't. All you do is talk
His politics aren’t the problem. It’s the demonization of those who have different opinions. You don’t care when Apple is political, because you don’t notice it since you agree with it. Not saying it makes you evil or anything, but it is a bias.
A person can’t be a billionaire, or became the world’s first trillionaire, without becoming a prominent target of socialists for political attack.
Not explaining that the valuation of the wealth is the total worth of the companies is the political scam.
Search: Billionaires shouldn’t exist
The number of people holding this opinion will convince you that there’s no choice, but to be political. Socialism will politically target people for their net worth like crabs in a bucket. 🦀
What happens if he becomes the first trillionaire?
Never mind how many jobs, and amazing products his companies are creating. Envy is a powerful political tool.
Then sell it there are plenty of us who will buy it...
From my perspective, his attacks against LGBT people aren't just sad, it's devastating. He deliberately spreads misinformation about topics he knows nothing about, like he's some moral authority. He's joined the hatred bandwagon in a gambit for popularity. His own child, Vivian Jenna Wilson, is a transgender woman, yet he refuses to adjust his world view. She has spoken publicly about his failure as a parent as well.
Elon as a father sounds like his father to him. He has no empathy.
Elon should stop lashing out at the world for his failures in his own personal life. His transgender daughter isn’t dead, she doesn’t talk to him because of his own behaviour.
She deserves his grace and understanding, not public ridicule. He doesn’t have to like her choices, but he does have to accept them. She’s an adult who has a right to self-determination and happiness.
Yes. But he doesn’t have to agree. You demand people change reality to make you feel better and you lose a lot of people with common sense. He didn’t stop “her”. You don’t like people who point out obvious points because you want everyone to feel good because it makes you feel good.
He didn't say she was dead (if you are referring to the recent JP interview) - the media took what he said and twisted it - he said that his son was dead - in the context of "deadnaming" - please [re]watch the interview - he chose, as always, his words very carefully.
@@julesgosnell9791 What is he grieving then? He gained a daughter. Stop being so dramatic Elon, and you fell for it.
I’m all in with Tesla ( all my savings and retirement funds) Elon now worries me. Well said “stay A political “
Not smart diversify, I was 25% Tesla not smart either, now only 10% and I’m considering saying screw it a dump it all, I canceled my CT order and no longer own Tesla, I use to love him, now the way he talks in public? He’s lost it, remember he’s made his billions, we are loosing ours because of his behavior
Plus you should short the stock because i need the money
You're ALL IN?!!!!? Bless your heart.
You should diversify a bit before you quite possibly lose half your savings and retirement
Then don't hold Tesla. Your personal risk is not a reason to violate his 1st amendment rights.
Musk isn’t political. He has interests in areas that are political.
Border security with regard to his investments in South Texas.
His personal life experience with regard to the crazy woke agenda that is tearing apart families and communities.
His purchase of X and learning of the controls that government had placed on free speech.
Learning from that the implications on voting in a free country - a country that he came to to build his businesses.
Realising that the voice of an individual weighs more heavily than the quests for capital and invention.
His neurodivergence will never be understood.
He can change his entire direction if he feels it aligns with his mindset at the time.
Musk has professionals running every department of his companies.
He lives a simple life and he does not care if he fits in.
He will not be swayed by power players against his convictions.
I voted for Biden and Obama too, until I learned how deep the corruption runs there.
We can change our minds and admit our misgivings.
MSM has been overtaken.
Musk has provided a platform for others similar to him.
Creatives, intuitives and out of the box thinkers.
He will never be understood and it will not matter to him if he is.
That is why Elon excels at everything he does 👏🏽
He moves in FAITH 🙏🏽
100% right on
You seem to be a naive adherent to a mindset that Trump also peddles at every rally. Totally based on false assumptions. The Republican party is the one responsible for the Purchase of the MSM by removing caps on who can own the media groups and affect what is covered in the news. Heinrich Himmler never had this much control of the propaganda levers in 1933. THINK as you are able to.
His views are idiotic. He's wrong about just about everything.
Nailed it; and everything you said is why I like everything Musk is about. Too many people tow the line like Sesame Street Muppets (muppets = hand up their arss controlling what they say) of the ultra wealthy and elites who manipulate and shape public opinion and the people’s perception of the world around them. These billionaire elites are also in bed with our politicians, manipulating them with their money and further shaping how our governing bodies make decisions for the nation.
Musk, on the other hand, is counter to all of this elite driven manipulation, while at the same time being the world’s most brilliant technologist.
Bullshit Fox news has spread
Free speech is the right to express your opinion without reproach from the goverment. But pissing off prospective buyers is detrimental to Tesla, and is not "free speech".
Hmmmm!! Me thinks to want to censor him so much you can taste the Le Mon! Try elucidating your views without violating his 1st amendment rights. I think it's not possible.
Republican lawmakers want to stop or slow down EV adoption. Some examples:
* Republican lawmakers have sought to roll back proposed fuel economy standards that favor EVs. This includes efforts to block the Biden administration's stricter emissions standards for new vehicles, arguing that these standards are unrealistic and harmful to the automotive industry
* In September 2022, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill aimed at stopping states like California from phasing out internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles.
* Senators Mike Crapo (R-ID) and Pete Ricketts (R-NE) introduced the CARS Act to counteract the Biden administration's environmental agenda. This legislation aims to prevent the implementation of proposed rules and regulations that limit consumer choice in vehicles, specifically targeting EPA's authority under the Clean Air Act
And the list goes on.
Thank you Larry! I agree with you 💯! You can't have a town hall platform and be so political as the owner!
If a Democrat is the next president, I hope that their administration reaches out to Elon showing that they would like to work with him and his businesses in a constructive manner. Whatever the administration, they should aim to govern for all citizens, not just those who voted for them.
Oh they would really absolutely like to work with Elon. They would absolutely LOVE to put in a few CIA agents just like they did with Twitter.
@@dyemanoz he already tried to reach out to biden in 2021 and was ignored
He already made a deal with Trump. So everyone is screwed.
The Biden admin has said positive things about Tesla and has worked with the WH on multiple things. The next DEM admin would continue the EV/renewable friendly policies that benefits Tesla. MAGA will gut these EV friendly policies to promote fossil fuels and ICEs. Any politician would be smart to keep activist billionaires at arms length. Any Billionaire would be smart to not force political divisions to afflict their shareholders and brand safety.
@@dyemanoz yes they would love to work with the CEO of Tesla who send out knowingly a deep fake video of the next President of the US. You see the problem?
What many people do not understand is that for the direction that politics leads in the USA and the world in general if we do not all intervene in politics to defend our individual freedoms, in the not too distant future there will be no businesses to defend or people who can buy or even a car. I emigrated from Cuba to the USA in 2005 when I was 39 years old and I was able to buy my first car. In my country of origin, even though I was an Electronics Engineer, I would never be able to have one. Only the political elites have that privilege.
You understand the irony of your comment. If Elon M. or Trump have the decision power in 2005 about your immigration status you still would have been in Cuba.
@@bartvanderheijden7055 - could even be rounded up and sent back according to Trump… 🤷♂️
@@stephenburrows4250 Not if he immigrated legally. Huge difference.
@@DG-wo8fx - dreamers are legal... (today). I wouldn't trust him to not retroactively apply any law/BS he makes up.
@@stephenburrows4250 Based on what?
I used to defend him. I used to love him. I invested 60, 000 dollars of my 100,000 house cash on Tesla because I believed in the company and him so much.
I still love Tesla but now Elon bad and it makes me sad. Endorsing Trump was the final straw.
Totally agree. I have had three Teslas. I had 6600 shares. Huge Elon fan. But I'm looking to sell my current Model Y and sold all of my Tesla stock this year, after holding since 2017. Elon had become a monster. He is a lying narcissist, just like Trump. He thinks that he is God.
Cool sob story, bro. Now sell your stock so I can buy it cheaper.
@@robbiehanson9882 he's endorsing free speach and true democracy, the man has been a life long Democrat and he's woke up to that fact that the democratic party has gone so far left we are in in dangerous territory.
Totally agree w Larry. I love Elon but he needs to pick a lane. Do you want to save the world and transition to clean energy or do you want to be a politician. He’s such a great man but he’s lost his mission.
His son’s situation has thrown him asunder. What is the guests name ?
You missed a very important point. Elon Musk is the CEO of Tesla. As such he has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the company. His involvement in politics can put my investment in Tesla at risk regardless of who wins the election. If Trump wins: 1)ALL of the incentives/regulatory requirements are at risk (and please don't tell me they don't matter when half of Teslas profits this quarter were based on regulatory credits), 2) Europe may turn against Musk as a result of Trumps withdrawal from Ukraine support, 3) China may turn against Musk as a result of s significant increase import duties. If Harris wins, well, seeing as she was an aggressive and very successful prosecutor, you can expect far more interference from the 3 letter agencies. Worse case, one fatal accident involving FSD (which already exists) and the Harris administration may deem it to dangerous to allow on the road. There could even be limits put on what SpaceX is allowed to do. His political involvement is a lose/lose situation. I was an executive with a very large IT company. I had to sign a Business Conduct document every year that stated that if anything I did, both business related or in my personal life, had a negative impact on the company, that I was subject to termination. I think the same should apply to Elon Musk.
Yes!!! You stated it exactly!
The political state of the US is in the hands and mind control of the ShadowGovernment. We could not discuss the demise of the America we once knew without Elon at the helm of free speech. That is, most importantly , the concerning topic at the centre of x feeds now. Everything the unelected oligarchs are doing directly affects Musk and each of his investments. We are all responsible for finding out the truth and protecting ourselves accordingly. Musk would rather be inventing and engineering as would I, but my neuro-divergence simply won’t let me ignore the elephants in the rooms 🐘🐘
Yet Joe Biden can openly hype up GM & Ford with factory visits & test drives?
Get over it, business is political.
In fact, business is 90% of politics.
And media too, owned by business.
No! His first amendment rights are principal here. If he states that TESLA supports this or that political view then perhaps then maybe that might breach fiduciary duty. Your inability to separate these issues is not reason to violate his first amendment rights. Obviously you can choose to sell your shares. That's your choice. Me thinks you want censorship so much you can taste the Le Mon!! All that said, it's fine to vent your views. That's YOUR first amendment right!
@@markthomas7279 He can say whatever he wants. His first amendment rights are not being infringed on. The first amendment only says the government can't limit what you can say. I as an individual or a company can limit anything we want on our property without violating his rights in any way.
Oh and there are limits on what you can say. While yelling FIRE! in a dark theater isn't specifically illegal you can be indicted with endangering life and about half a dozen other charges for doing it.
As for selling shares, my wife has already done so. I am not selling shares. He can say any damn thing he wants. But I agree whit the speaker. Tim Cook is a CEO and I don't have a clue about his political position on anything. He doesn't offend nor support anything publicly. He doesn't do anything that can negatively affect Apple, its shareholders or its sales. As a shareholder and an owner of two Tesla cars I would prefer he simply do his best to keep Tesla products as marketable as possible.
I absolutely agree with Larry. Elon needs to focus on his businesses and stop being a Fing Twitter troll.
Gali had a great post on this. Thousands of Tesla owners are negatively affected by Elon every time he makes a political post. Is that fair power for one human? Agree with Larry that Elon should stay apolitical but I fear that Elon is deep in the David Sacks bubble who is a master MAGA manipulator.
David Sacks and Peter Thiel also.
Some topics he "comments" on he knows so little about compared to other people that have been legitimate, unbiased historians of the subject.
Being frank is one thing. Being grossly opinionated without the commensurate unbiased knowledge is another.
Bring back the old Elon. And I know, he's really been royally screwed over, smeared, and vilified by powerful people and organizations.
Which comment exactly? It sounds like you are being grossly opinionated without the commensurate unbiased knowledge.
@@ericgregori Sorry, I'm talking about Elon.
@tracydarby3066 There's no such thing as an honest left ist... don't hold your breath for an honest answer.
It's getting harder and harder for me to counter the negativity of my extended family toward Elon, including refusing to purchase a Tesla.
Larry's view is right on, and its the majority view.
Please, preach the middle road or stay apolitical. Find a way not to alienate significant sectors of society.
He does have a responsibility to his companies. But his views are his own, and his products are phenomenal. Politics aside.
He can not save the world politically, even if he focuses only on Poltics. Pride goes before fall. His success has gone to his head and frankly he’s CRAZY.
Weird how "crazy" people "randomly" become 10,000x more successful than you...
It depends on how you define success. ‘He who controls his spirit is better than one who takes a city.’
He is playing with people’s money and should be a bit more considered in his actions.
Welcome to The Squid Games. That is what it feels like to me.
Thank you Larry I totally agree.
Most people are somewhere in the middle, politically. The 10% of the far left which are hyper-woke progressives, and oppositely, the 10% who are right-wing extremists get all the attention, and Elon seems to think half the country is super progressive, so his rhetoric and responses have been equally extreme, and to such a degree, he is literally alienating half the population. Tesla has even more compelling products than Apple and Nvidia, yet those companies are dominating, and in no small part to the fact that I have no idea where Tim Cook and Jensen Huang lean politically. They have no time because they are too busy focusing on their businesses. To put it simply, they have done NOTHING to alienate half of all potential customers. Politics is inherently divisive, thus should ideally have no part in business. Just imagine how many more Teslas would be on the road if Elon remained a-political.
Oh I know exactly where Tim Cook leans. He once told investors if they didn't like his progressive views they could sell their shares. He just doesn't get much press about it because the media is left leaning.
Meanwhile, Apple spent nearly $9.9 million on federal lobbying efforts in 2023 - the most in a single year on record dating back to 1998, according to disclosures compiled by OpenSecrets. That was up from $9.3 million in 2022 and $6.5 million in 2021.
Overall, Apple’s total spending on federal lobbying efforts amounted to $32.4 million from 2020 through 2023. That marked an increase from $25.9 million from the previous four-year window of 2016 through 2019. The spending, while notable by Apple’s standards, still trailed that of Meta, Amazon and Google.
Antitrust watchdogs said Apple also uses various tactics that don’t show up in its federal lobbying tally - including frequent intervention at the state level to block or water down bills that could hurt its business.
Nvidia customers are mega-$billion companies chasing AI.
Who questions Exxon CEO belief system while buying gas?
Maccas? The land developer for the house you own? Your divorce lawyer?
Get real.
@@MrCPPG Tim Cook is not on X everyday calling Trump an idiot. If he did, every Maga hat wearing Trumper would light their iphone on fire and upload the video.
@@iandavies4853 have you ever brought up Elon's name in mixed company when out in public? I have multiple times and the level.of vitriol that's spewed back at me is frankly unimaginable and if you don't think that has a real world impact on sales, you need to "get real."
My wife is a school teacher (in the south) and in a meeting preparing for the new school year the teachers were reminded that they reflected the school and needed to avoid going to bars, scandalous behavior, revealing dress, etc. Poorly paid professionals, but they are expected to be role models even in their free time. The CEO should be bound to have his personal life reflect well on the company. He is well compensated.
So tell that to the richest man in the world and see if he listens to you. Or just buy stock in some other company. I have seen leaders behave much worse and not even own their behavior, Elon knows absolute power corrupts absolutely and tries to do something about it. (For himself). Pogo says, "We have met the enemy and he is us".
@@tedoptional-p8l. Lord Elon knows how to build EV’s Everything else is a crap shoot in what Musk knows !
Finally someone calling Elon out. Like how the fuck doesn't Elon see the math? You're trying to be a leader of the townsquare for the world which is supposed to be neutral and free of bias and yet he's clearly fucking biased. Sad to see him go this way.
The community has a whole has both sides. He is just one voice. One person. Has his own opinions. Yet limit his free speech. Makes no sense.
I think he starts seeing g it but it's a bit too late. The myriad of tesla fluffers, pseudoprophets, and green powder selling charlatans out there sure worsened the situation.
Have been a huge supporter of Elon since 2010. (Investor since 2013) Supporting Trump is simply a huge mistake. Trump is all about hate, division and political violence. For years I’ve associated Elon with Disney because of his creative and positive contributions. Sadly, not anymore. He now associates himself and supports a very hateful loser. Tragic.
How easy the conned sheep are led from TDS to EDS. just follow the crowd.
Trump is about Trump, not hate, division and political violence, he is a populist. His opposition just say these things about him. New Yorkers are sometimes hard to like. I'm not making any excuses for his behavior. Put it all together.
How about voting for Kamala to become the female president will be a huge mistake of the lifetime?
I used to say “I am a proud Elon cultist”, apparently I’m not a cultist because it was easy to jump off the bandwagon when he started indirectly criticizing me and my political opinions. I’m not a fan of his support for Trump, but he also name calls, calling much of society as woke or Left or Democrats as if that’s a bad thing. This is what I find personally offensive. He is welcome to his opinion, but criticizing his fans is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
@@spaguyster then don’t invest in TSLA if you’re against the outlook. It’s as simple as that in a free market economy with free speech.
Would you ever be willing to look at the harm your politics has done to this country? I didn't think so.
@@nolanwells4997 you missed my point completely…
Elon is tying his wagon to a guy that ridicules handicapped people, Vietnam veterans, etc. and frankly is NOT in favor of anything America stands for. So even though politically I am opposite of Larry I must say I agree with him here.
He is not tying his wagon to anything or anyone else!! He has discerned that Trump is a better option than Harris Thereafter he is pursuing that to a logical conclusion.vTjis does not mean he agrees on all issues.!! His views stand totally desperate to Trump or indeed anyone else.
He is not tying any wagons to anything. He has simply discerned that Trump is a better 'net' option than Harris, in HIS opinion. Thereafter he is pursuing that to its logical conclusion as best he can. That does not mean he agrees on all the issues and policies. I'm sure he does not. What you are seeking to do is to strong arm him to express your party line through guilt. Clearly if TESLA, the company expressed a view or provided finance that might be different. I think you should go vent your spleen at companies that lobby and donate to political causes. You are barking up the wrong tree!! These are personal views and donations made by Musk as a private citizen.
Let's not forget that Trump literally offered to let oil and energy companies write any legislation they want if they donated a specific amount he asked for. Does Elon think Tesla's not going to get hosed by that?
I agree with you 100% does Elon want to build a political brand or does he want to Tesla, SpaceX, starlinx etc. to maximize the return for the shareholders, he You should leave that job to Tucker Carlson and stick to what he does best.
Great english skills, botboy
I’ve spent more than a decade defending Elon from haters but his support of Trump is unforgivable. Now Trump will loose so this insanity, which is also KILLING Tesla sales, will be for naught. I have three friends who have decided not to buy Tesla simply because Elon is dealing with trump.
He doesn’t have a choice. He won’t vote for this left leaning Kamala.😂
@@janh-r8hHistory shows that the opposite is true. He’s only voted Democrat before and he’s became richest man in world under democrats. If he keeps pushing Trump Tesla will KEEP TANKING and it will cost him up to 100 billion more than the few billion Donald will save him in taxes.
Right Larry, tough to do both. I pick build the business
As a TSLA investor I hate the fact that the 'T' in the Tesla logo is now implying the letters 'rump'
Wow, never even crossed my mind until now. Unfathomably based!
Bummer!
Every moment spent on sharing his political views, is a moment from his duty to his companies and shareholders. We just approved a multibillion dollar package, I want a return on my investment not to listen to Elon rant about politics and bashing the left constantly! His opinions and views affect my investment. It’s OK to support free speech, I don’t agree Elon should be an enabler of one party or the other or share his views in a manner that compromises the performance of his companies by saying shit that angers potential or existing customers and shareholders. Needs to focus on building his businesses. Part of the reason Tesla is hated by current administration is Elon. Needs to come down from the clouds and get to work. I don’t need a keyboard warrior, I need a CEO focused on his companies 100%! Elon has changed for the worse after his X investment.
Absolutely!
You have the ability to sell your investment if you think it's going down. Like Bill Gates short the stock if you really think Elon is detrimental to the company
Elon works more than any other executive globally and his rate of return to shareholders makes the others look pitiful by comparison. What Elon does in his own time is his business. If you don't like it then sell your stock. If you don't hold any shares in your portfolio then why do you care . . . unless it is about virtue signaling?
Did your comment here add value to those that you have financial responsibility? If not, why don't you get back to revenue generation?
I have three people in my near circle who doesn’t want to buy a Tesla because they spline Elon. I tried to convince them about the product but failed.
Hey if they don't want to buy the best safest and economical cars ... F them ..😂
@@Gunter_Customjust like they’re saying F Elon.
There's a great line from an Episode of Fargo. "There's only one type of person who has complete freedom with no responsibility, a baby, you want to be a baby."
Apart from legal obligations, everyone has moral responsibilities being part of civil society. Unfortunately, Elon seems to be more committed to his 'freedoms' than the mission.
the mission is to be multiplanetary.
step 1: avoid ww3.
elon is, like usual, focused on the mission.
Maybe you shouldn't get your moral reasoning from literal fiction written by some of the most biased people on Earth.
Allowing others to express their opinions regardless of how distasteful you find them, is also a moral responsibility. It's literally a prerequisite for a civilization and one of the few things that makes places like the US superior to places like China or North Korea.
I wss in the process of investing my super into Tesla but my now I can't. I love Tesla with all my heart but Elon has become anti Tesla by endorsing Trump. My decision to not invest in Tesla is based on my morals and the fact that I care about our environmental and our people. Trump does not and Elon is with him!
I can see that Elon is more moral than you or most people, you have eyes but cannot see. Befriend your enemy so you can turn him.
As if America is the entire world…
Did emissions go down under trump?
Did car mpg go up under trump?
Govt taking over companies like the SS is cool, as long as you are german. What you you do when the SS decides YOU arent part of their plsn anymore?
...” who could have imagined that simultaneously selling a product that's billed as an environmentalist choice, and at the same time endorsing a fascist who prides himself on destroying the environment wouldn't work out..?"
UK Govt. has asked Elon to stop stoking right wing violence, he tweeting supporting the UK riots which are against all people of color not just muslims. India has issued a travel advisory about England. As a shareholder this concerns me.Could those lead international boycott of Tesla?
Elon stay out of politics and just make cars PLEASE
Bad things happen when good people do nothing
He doesn't want to make cars any more.
Most CEOs are smart enough to stay away from politics. If you publicly support one side, you lose the other side. California is the largest car market in the US by a wide margin. California buys more EVs than the other 49 states - equal to Texas and Florida combined. Attacking California and supporting a political candidate, is NOT going to help our TSLA investments.
I’m a big fan of Elons missions and an investor in Tesla, but he can’t keep re-tweeting things like the fake Kamala video without posting on his account that it was a fake video! He violated his own Rules! He needs to update the software so that if you retweet a parody deep fake video it clearly states it’s a parody deep fake video!
When you own the company you can make the rules ..😂
Well said
@@Gunter_Customso you’re saying he is a dictator, rules are for others but he can do whatever he wants. X has other investors even though it’s a private company.
@@Gunter_CustomAnd then sue the people who don’t want to advertise.
@@GiantsOnTheHorizon I'm not sure what you mean there ?
IMO Elon consistently oversimplifies extremely complicated/nuanced political situations with half explained tweets or sound bites. Often he is simply ill informed. If he had an engineer working for him who commented on an engineering problem with the same oversimplification that Elon does with politics, Elon would fire that person immediately.
Thank you:
Very nicely put.
Complicated/nuanced political situations are a tactic of the left. Is Elon using its own tactics against them?
But that's his right, right. Even if you think he is right (politically). Every CEO simplifies. That's the route to success. Engineers offer no value if they know less than the CEO on the engineering details.
Who thinks deeper than "Kamala is woman, black, ethnic"?
That's your view, Jonathan. How well informed are you, and how do you tell? When it comes to value judgement, an open and free society leaves that to the individual and respect the individual right to believe and express their beliefs.
He needed to be a bit more measured how he expressed his views. I have investments in tesla. I was going to buy a Tesla. I stopped myself from buying one. I'll keep my 10 year old car. He has turned me off. Gali said it best. Tesla USED TO symbolize something awesome, now it's divisive.
Larry hit the nail on the head. Several times. My take is: If Elon wants to get political messages out there, then he'd benefit more by putting the resources into it to make it make sense. Short, sometimes vague posts about this or that just give one side or both the opportunity to make up their version of what he supposedly means. Put some data behind the opinions, and presumably they'll be more credible. Overall, though, the best thing to do is to pick a lane (Engineer/entrepreneur OR political messiah/windbag/call-it-what-u-want), and then focus on getting it done. Sure, the 4D chess moves might be in play here on the big picture/AI/politics/you-name-it, but in the meantime, it's making Tesla's development/expansion harder than it has to be. I believe, like Larry, the future of the company is secure, and it will return me many times my investment (actually already has, but I expect it to repeat). The sideshow political stuff just makes it more volatile in the near term, and more subject to the whims of whatever group is in power in his biggest market (all companies/nations considered).
The problem is he’s made enemies on both sides. And the right will side with him politically but won’t actually buy a Tesla. It’s definitely impacted sales. I’ve seen so many people taking deliveries of Rivians, Lucids, Lyrics, Kia/Hyundais and so on that could have been Teslas. And most will post why they didn’t buy a Tesla, because of Elon.
If it is not helpful to his businesses then it is not helpful to society.
First 2 min in. Why can we choose only one or the other? When politics is invading the business world he can no longer ignore it. 🤷🏼♂️
Most insightful thing anyone said here, yet strangely doesn't have even half as many like as all the _"how do you do, fellow Tesla investors"_ bot comments.
Copmala campaign must be getting desperate, Musk is probably next on the federale's assass ination list.
My heart sinks every time I see a political tweet from him. I’m a huge Elon supporter in general, understand why he holds the position he does and think his character is often unfairly attacked, but he is really pissing me off. He needs to stop with this nonsense.
I was "ALL IN" w Musk and the mission.
He has gone too far right, IMHO.
I cancelled a M3P and tried to cancel CT, but it was too late in the process. I love my CT I took delivery of last week. I have to say that Elon's position and the way he is influencing a move to the right with X has taken a bit of the enjoyment of owing Tesla products including my solar glass roof. I'm done buying his products just to support his mission which has changed.
I hate all the lefties. Elon had no other choice beside to support Trump.
I'd say Elon should stay out of politics and focus on improving the world.
The world is politics. You can not change the world without getting involved in politics.
The very act of changing the world is an extremely political act.
@@Agnemonsthen, perhaps he might consider supporting a more democratic political side. My personal belief is that as a CEO, he should focus on sales and not politics.
@@ricoma6037 That's kind of paradoxical, especially when the "democratic" side simply cheats when it doesn't like the outcome of elections.
Larry is the Man
Elon is well aware of MSM’s faults but he continues to say whatever is on the top of his head without regard to the brand he’s piloting. It’s not all MSM’s fault either. A lot of it is the shit he posts on X.
I am a big Tesla fan and have dedicated my life to eliminating my carbon footprint. Over the last decade I have reduced my carbon footprint 250%. I am a big fan of Elon Musk and what he has done, and continues to do, to transition the world away from fossil fuels. I am a climate scientist and father of 2 children. I was incredibly disappointed that Elon Musk disowned his own daughter because she is transgender. Instead of Elon saying "I have gained a wonderful daughter and I love her", Elon said "I lost my son." and then disowned his own child. I don't get it. I will still support Elon's companies because they are good for humanity. I am stunned and disappointed at how he treats his new daughter. Being a supporter of Canada's Green Party and NDP Party, I am much more politically and socially progressive. I am disappointed that Elon supports Trump and the Republican Party. The Republican policies are bad for Americans and a danger to the planet. Trump is a horrible human being and an even greater threat to the world. I support the far left politicians in the US like Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee, Ro Khanna, AOC, etc.. I wish Elon supported these politicians, as well as his own children. Peace, Calvin.
@@environmentalcanadian2338 Too bad. Millions are thrilled that Musk abandoned the left wing poison that is destabilizing the west. Musk is a free thinking national treasure, not a bot.
Right on, Calvin
Kia ora from Aotearoa New Zealand
and, thanks for your work as a climate scientist
and your continued support for the Tesla mission
@@EcoKiwiMagazine Thank you so much for your encouragement. I appreciate your sentiment.
Elon does not have a new daughter. He still has a son who has been mutilated mentally by the woke mind virus crowd. He is smart enough to know the danger of this stuff. He isn’t political but has figured out how dangerous some political ideas are and is willing to challenge them. Trump is decisive because he too is not willing to just go long to get along. Just sayin.
Actually it's his daughter that disowned him. Changed her last name and wants no association with Elon.
The comparison of an indy band is way off. The indy band is because one becomes jealous of so many other people liking the same band you shared with a small group of people and felt that it was your secret. In this case, Elon was being picked on by everyone, how Tesla was going to fail. So many of us wanted Elon to succeed because we believed in his vision. This situation does not compare.
Basically. I used to love him now I hate him😢
Because he changed. And became a megalomaniac ghoul.
Typical liberal response 🙄
@@FrontLinePub They're not liberals dude, they're left ists
@@bigdaddy1279 He never changed, he's clearly the same guy he was 10 year ago, you only started hat ing him because the TV told you to, and you followed orders like a good little ant.
@@robbiehanson9882 sad
He has said, "I don't care if it costs me money!" but the real question is, does he care if it costs _other_ people money?
It doesn't seem so.
He's not forcing you to invest in his company, if you agreed with the direction the company is going and that they will accomplish thier goals than you know the rewards far outweigh the temporary concerns
This is a conquest
Like living an episode of the squid games
So the company goes from $50B to @$500B. You have a problem.
@@toddhanson658 Remains to be seen.
You can't let yourself be governed by other peoples impression of you. Other people's impression of you is biased by their lack of knowledge of what you know or in other words ignorance.
I take it you don't believe in the idea of marketing.
@@patrickhodgson2222 Nope. People that think that your impression is more important than being genuine are the dinosaurs. The world is changing. In some ways people are getting smarter and have become immune to BS marketing.
@@patrickhodgson2222 Neither does the guy who made a trillion dollar company with a zero dollar marketing budget.
I'm very sad to say that for years already people in Europe have been hating on Elon very hard, maybe 95% of people I talk to really hate him to the point I stopped bringing him up because I know that I will sound silly to them and be alone trying to defend him. It doesn't matter what I say and this has nothing to do with recent developments. It's to do with the fact he's a billionnaire, what he did with Twitter, is political views, childish tweets and what they see as huge ego issues. For context, I work in a very well known tech company with 500 people from all around the world, especially Spain, France, Germany, Italy, Europe mainly.
And that opinion they have of Elon Musk make them hate his companies too, and they prefer not to invest in Tesla because of him and of what he represents for them. Unfortunately it's a lost cause to try and change their mind. I've tried many times and all it did was make people think I'm crazy or a deluded Elon fanboy, so I stopped. He's purposely bringing this upon himself.
@@Erikadub Maybe Europeans should stop being so brainwashed
@@liquidsnakex maybe, I'm just stating facts.
@@Erikadub Sure, but they’re wrong
Two things that CEOs of companies never talk about:
1) Religion
2) Politics
both are based not in logic but on emotions
and pissing off 1/2 your customer base is something the stockholders will sue elon over
Politics without logic is dangerous, that's why he had enough and spoke out.
@@jrr2479 No his #1 responsibility is fiduciary to the stockholders
personal views have nothing to do with running a company
and the stockholders will sue him for the damage he has inflicted on Tesla.
Tim Cook and other tech CEOs get along with both sides in politics.
Their actions are not necessarily better & apple probably worse actions, yet CEOs remain quiet & avoid negative attention.
The mission was globally good. The political actions have destroyed my ability to support his political aims. I do NOT support these actions. What he is doing is creating a HUGE wave of people who will not support his mission.
Not all have to agree with all viewpoints
What are his political aims? Free speech? Equality? Merit? What specifically is reprehensible? Why should a difference of opinion cause such consternation?
Huh, so you only buy products from CEOs you agree with?
Tell us how awesome Ford is at building EVs then.
It’s only free speech to Elon if you agree with him. He suspends plenty of accounts he doesn’t agree with.
Stop with your fake compassion
Tact is a weakness of the West and ultimately it's downfall.
I agree. To be blunt he needs to STFU about politics and just provide the free speech platform. He is pissing off a lot of the people who really want him and Tesla to do well. It seems like there is more going on in his head at the moment more so than normal. I don't think anyone is going after him though so nothing to worry about there. And I agree it is costing Tesla money, I mean before a lot of people didn't like him, but he's making himself even more unlikable. I'm still a huge Tesla supporter but it's getting harder to try to support him.
The problem is, he is supporting the worst person who has ever ran for and been president and it's inconceivable of his full support even after he had to quit from his business group after he left the Paris accord. He knows he is a fool and it feels like he's just supporting him for monetarily reasons.
Elon has had 2 attempts on his life in the last 10 months. . both arrested..😢
He's extremely likeable to humans, it's only com mun ists that have a problem with him.
Great observations. As a shareholder, I’m pretty much in line with the unease about blurred line between a CEO creating a platform/space for free speech (then steps away) and one that, metaphorically, throws orange paint on the Mona Lisa.
This is a discussion that the Tesla bulls like us should have . It’s high time. We supported and voted for his remuneration etc. we do have a stake in this.
Outstanding conversation Ima completely committed and baffled by Elon tipping the Political Scale.
Debate to educate for Democracy 🤠
I believe in the mission and no longer the man. I am a sizeable stockholder and was one of his biggest supporters... but no longer. But ... the mission baby ... F X
Who cares what this guy thinks 🤔
All I know is the vast majority of people in my life who have commented that they agree with Elon on social and political issues have ZERO plans to purchase a Tesla.
I agree with Musk and plan😊 to buy a cybertruck.
I don’t agree with Musk and plan on buying a Tesla…when I’m not house and child poor 😂
I’m one of them
Teslas are very expensive for the average American. I would love to get one, I agree with Elon but also have to watch my budget. And ICE are unaffordable as well. Currently driving a 22 year old vehicle I have learned to maintain myself. Please understand nit everyone is a millionaire or is set for life with Tesla stock. If you spend all you time in the company of folks whose net worth is in the 6 figures, your opinion gets skewed.
What's that got to do with it. Really!! What's that got to do with it!! Elucidate your views without denying his first amendment rights. I don't think that's possible. I think you want censorship so much you can taste it!!
Winston Churchill said "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life"
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I’m all in on Tesla.
But I’m 100% against him being the only ceo who is going so mindlesslessly political.
No other ceo does.
He seems to have no emotional intelligence with any except the Chinese leadership.
He needs to try to think of everything he does as requiring that restraint.
Hmm.. not sure he's mindlessly political.
Nor that he has no EI,
and, to be fair, the Chinese leadership is being a lot more progressive about making the good changes happen that needed to happen several decades ago in industrialised western "free and open democracies"
[*cough, choke, spit*].
- Having said that, I still largely agree with you:
folks with that much money naturally have outsized influence AND power, and so it's going to seem way unfair to most regular folks that they start then also meddling directly in society by making statements and comments and politics, too.
He can not ‘act normal’ just because that’s what everyone tells him to do. He is a genius and is so because he is not middle of the road. He is exceptional in what he does. Restraint is what makes up 70% of the population. It’s best not to put Mr Musk into a box and risk stifling creativity. I watched it destroy my creative daughter 😢
@@lissacablerware8475 but that is my point.
He DOES & CAN act normal.
With the Chinese leadership…
Essentially - when he KNOWS he HAS to toe the line, he does.
He doesn’t feel it is worth it. So he doesn’t in democracies…
He also has 12 children that he should be thinking about when he is out there verbalizing his opinions and putting his life in danger in my opinion.
Regarding the shining light to what is broken, the problem is that unfortunately he completely lacks the skill set to do that in a way that is actually net positive, what he is doing now is just driving more and more wedges between groups and polarizing people more. And regardless what you try to do that is not a positive change as it only brings more tension, more crisis, more of all the negative and pretty much none of the positive. And this is coming from someone who is a fan of the guy. But unfortunately the story arc that he is now on is not a positive one as he is a driving force towards more and more polarity and less and less common sense. 😕
You need to discuss Musk's obvious hypocrisy regarding free speech on X.
His child going from a boy to a girl has made what he is today toward going political.
That and the influence of his 'friends' David Sacks and Peter Thiel.
Your own child making this choice, would drive you to bad choices, just from the emotional grief.
He has his own beliefs it has nothing to do wuth his son its economy people can't you see it people don't have the money right now cuz of the Biden regime people can't hardly by food is that Elons false no if your upset with him going Republican that's his right grow up people
Thars why he's moving tesla to TEXAS California is a cesspool he's better off moving all his companies to TEXAS
Let’s just call a spade a spade. Elon is officially a Twitter Troll.
It is simple. It is great to have a open platform. Like X. But shut the f up on your view about the politics. By saying you support this or that politician. You are injecting bias into your own platform and fan hate speech more.
His platform, eX-twitter, is not open. Earlier this week eX-twitter suspended an account that raised money for Harris with no explanation, presumably at his request. I used to like him and believed in his mission. But I hate dishonesty and taking advantage of your position which Musk is doing. Stuff is happening now that indicates that he is fundamentally dishonest. What a colossal disappointment he has become.
I bought a Tesla Model Y in 2022. Had I known what I know about Elon now, I would never have bought it.
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You have to separate cars and politics.😂
I have stayed away from buying anything Tesla because of Elon Musk. I realize that I could have made a lot of money. But I just can’t stand the guy.
Agree with Larry, it does cost sales but the real picture is so much bigger that it’s really inconsequential. Having met and dealt with many individuals on the spectrum, including him, I think that has to be taken into account and one should not be so quick to judge.
Every world event, small or big... The genous elon has to jump in and tell the world what he thinks, even though no one asked him... While i have no idea whats the opinion of jeff bezos, zuckerberg, gates and so on... But Elon cant stop talking...
@@pse2020 you have no idea what is the opinion of Zuckerberg? Live under a rock?
Always so exciting to listen to people who have done virtually nothing expound upon people who have done virtually everything
This is what the Tesla shareholders got for their 55 billion. What a humungous waste of money.
Missed the point completely here, seems like you've missed a bunch of his recent statements.
Jaime Dimon says two of the main reasons for business for failure are complacency and politics.😢
I have 5 teslas and will continue to buy Tesla
Elon has the right to express his opinions. I am a shareholder and I find it ridiculous that people think otherwise… If people are deciding on what they shouldn’t buy based on someone’s political views, then they should stop buying everything made in countries that are run by dictators! Otherwise they’re just hypocrites…
You may be right, but people are not buying Teslas bc of him. Full stop.
@@jonathanf.9395 their loss. Following the lemmings and not thinking independently is plain stupid.
@@jhelotes5627 No, shareholder's loss. That is my issue. He has stated explicitly that he doesn't care about share price he just wants his way. This is becoming more and more difficult for me to deal with. I don't care what his political beliefs are. He still has only one vote. But his continual statements that go against 1/2 the prospective buyers is simply counter to Tesla selling cars.
@@bryanwhitton1784I don’t have any issues pruning shareholders that are shortsighted and can’t see the bigger, long term picture
You must not know how herds of people behave buddy. He has the right to express, but his choice has consequences. That's all that's being stated here. Neutral town square fails when the leader of the town square is clearly biased. Basic human psychology.