Still have my vt60 - beautiful picture - and skin tones? Just glorious. But almost no apps working any longer, must pick a oled tv soon...probably a sonya80l during black week.
That’ll never happen not in 1 billion years. Every TV should have a thing though you’re 100% correct. I think it’s a tough cell for people people want cheap TVs, right? Our community is an outlier. Most people are not buying an LG G4 or other top-tier model they’re buying the mid model that’s how marketing works. Show people a low price one high price one and a mid price one and they buy the mid price one. That’s marketing 101.
@@michael-4k4000that's kinda true. I can't really afford a 3000 dollar tv, don't want a 400 dollar tv. But i did find a decent tv for about 650. At least when I looked on amazon the 65 inch G4 was 3 grand.
The Panasonic being thicker is not a downside, it's an advantage. The bulkier the chassis, the better it is at absorbing heat from the panel (this is a generalisation). This is benificial for all electronics but in particular for OLED's; whose inevitable degradation is accelerated by heat.
I have a LG G4 77 inch in a normal bright living room and the brightness setting is set between 20-50, maybe 60 in rare sunny conditions. Set it above that and your eyes burn out. The brightness war in OLED has become nonsense. Let's focus in picture quality instead. Downside I find of the LG G4 is that the settings menu is slow, way too large buttons. The whole WebOS seems to consist of disjointed screen designs. Sony has this covered much more nicely in their TV's (had an AG9 before). Too bad Sony OLEDs are ridiculously expensive in the Netherlands, so I went for G4 and accepted some compromises.
For the cost of the premium tv, they should put a high end arm cpu in them. Even if it adds another 150 bucks to the price. I don't have a high end tv, I got the TCL q650, and I think would benefit for a slightly faster cpu. You never see the processor specs as part of the marketing. A smart tv with a Snapdragon 8 would be really nice.
@@pedroarquitectura No the G4 is far superior to C4 regarding screen and processing. I've got a problem with how somehow LG manages to make a premium TV feel cheap. The OS feels disjointed and slow. It's like Windows 8 and 10 where you have different design patterns throughout the system. The remote is also cheap (eg no backlight) and it's time to ditch the pointer functionality (never use it). The Sony 'premium' in the Netherlands usually was around 700 EUR over an LG or Samsung and I happily paid it. Now that is about 2000 EUR and that's just not justifiable. I'm happy with the G4, but in all fairness the A95L is the king, would be indisputable if it would have 4x HMDI 2.1.
just a reminder, sony motion is terrible for gaming , a95 is not a good tv for gaming. i return mine and get a g3 last years after i play cod for 20 minutes. but have to say the movie experience is impressive
@ Entirely false that Sony motion is terrible for gaming. You must be using artificial motion interpolation on the LG. If you have hardware which can max out the 120hz refresh rate constantly (even new gen ps5 pro can barely do this), then everything is equal. So you are incorrect.
@@Coolhand69 you just have to play fps game and you can see sony have terrible transitions when you try to turn around in fps game, no matter i connect to ps5 or a pc with 4090 and running with 200+ fps with game mode.
@@Coolhand69 also any artificial motion is not good for fps game and seem like sony always have some artificial motion no matter what i set the tv to and cause my experience
Don't care for crappy speakers and fake atmos in a TV. I want an excellent display to go with my custom audio system. I guess I like component based approach. This way you don't need to upgrade everything when you change one component. But that's just me.. I have a dedicated HT and most people don't. I remember drooling over their old Plasma panels though when it had no "smart" crap.. which I don't use anyways. got a dedicated box for that too. :D I love that it does both HDR10+ and DV though.
If you are in the category high end tv’s, I cant imagine that people are using tv speakers for audio… Thats why the z95a is not my personal choice. That panaonic supports Hdr10 plus (barely content) and DV support is good as you said.. But why no dts is a riddle to me..
@@masomaf Then again, if you have a high end TV you won't be using DTS decoding in TV anyways. as long as you can bitstream via HDMI eARC that's all you need. Nobody uses DTS these days...
Yeah thats where money comes into play big man 😂 this is never unpartial, you should know that. How can it be on the last place while it has the best upscaling and detail preservation from all.
Panasonic is more impact in colour, contrast, the viewving is a cinema approach ! It's a great manufacturer (I have their old last 3D TV TX-50 DX750F calibrated with my Display 1 pro)
Yet again nobody talks about the dreadful always on processing that LG uses to combat the chrominance overshoot, that adds lines on grey to near black surfaces in motion due to dithering, a situation that makes the TV painful to watch on close distance, especially when used as a PC monitor. Some console gamers will have this issue as well, if they sit close to the TV. It was so simple if LG would just disable this in game mode, where any image processing is useless anyways. For me it's hard to understand why no reviewer talks about this, because I'm sure that they've all noticed it and the image is greatly degraded at least in gaming. Because of this, the score in gaming should be very low for G4, despite its numerous features.
I think most importantly is the Panasonic is built to last soooo much longer. I can guarantee more robust power supply, this is where modern tvs fail to last a 5-10 years. Yes it’s thinner but thinner doesn’t mean more built to last.
I don't had such good experience with Panasonic I had a plasma model the TC P 42S AND at the second year got a huge strip of colors in the half of the display
I’ve only had one Panasonic but switched it out and know have 3 pioneer plasmas without an issue, those weigh 50 percent more than the equivalent Panasonic. I really do want a tv to last 20 years. My tvs are 15 years old and I’m looking to get a new tv eventually, just know of and see many sets struggling to last 5-10 years, to me tvs are an investment and once you have a good one enjoy it. I do think build quality has suffered with a lot of 4K TVs in terms of longevity.
@@dylankirkpatrick9522 I still have mine since 2010 from Sears here in Boston, LED 42 inches and sound bar included, total, $1,005, soo is was 14 yrs ago, and still going strong!!
Both have oled panels which would likely fail first and LG has the best burn in protection and comes with a 5 year warranty. Most importantly for you is the panasonic brand name and perceived quality it doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
So it's way bulkier for no gain, it's heavier, it has only 1 actually usable 2.1 port, it lacks dts pass through, it has a hideous bottom bezel and finally it lacks any meaningful benefit visually all for more money? Man.. Panasonic.. Wth
LG always win in that department but both are oled's so it hardly matters. You wouldn't feel any difference. It's a couple hundreths of a second difference.
Not only did the z95a finish last at the HDTV shootout it did so by a notable margin. Guess what category the w95a got trounced the most? Video processing. LOL. For enthusiasts a much better comparison.
I semi disagree. The Panasonic has way better processing and color accuracy. Better sound and more importantly… it has a SUBWOOFER output along with actual DTSX CODEC support (not pass through like LG). 🎉 also the Pana is has more options for hdr/DV. Gaming aside, movie watching and dish/cable watchers should get the Panasonic. Especially for blue ray watchers. 🎉 all in my opinion tho. 🎉 Oh and let’s not forget you sell your soul to LG advertising. 🎉
why would u ever need HDR10+ if u have DV? and i highly doubt it since LG has with Sony one if not the best processor in terms of 3D Detail etc. and if i buy such an expensive TV i dont really care how they sound since TV Sound in general is not great.
@@JulianRasch-g6v as rtings mentions, the audio in the z95a is on par with g4, with only a slight edge to the Panasonic. Kind of a huge miss with that ugly bulk added to the panel for a negligible audio difference.
Z95A has better sound, not as he said, but picture is comparable with G4, maybe Z95A is slightly ahead, but you don't notice that. Both are very good color calibrated , Panasonic perfect, G4 near perfect D65. Other stuff are usefull, Z95A better remote Control..but for me Z95A was no option anyway, builtin sound doesn't matter, because I have a sound system and I needed wall mount, larger than 65"
it doesn't have "way" better processing. They have pretty equal processing that do different things better than one another and the g4 was more accurate ootb and it's literally measured and shown in the video. Blue ray watchers with DTS should go LG, so anyone with a good sound system. You just like the brand and it's perceived cimenatic purist qualities even when reality of the review says different.
The days of panasonic being best in class tv are long gone and you have to go back to my own jz2000 the last time pana was at the top even then however Sony was going toe to toe with its a90j. The two jewels in the Crown were the gz and hz panasonic way back in the day I had the gz and no other tv could touch it. Time has moved on and the fact that pana came bottom in a recent shoot out which LG won says it all HOWEVER does it mean pana is no longer a good tv NO does it mean woled is dead tech NO. We are very lucky to have such variety of top end tvs which in reality there is VERY LITTLE to chose between them in the NORMAL WORLD VIEWING. For me I'll stick with my jz2000 old dead tech oled and mabe the rumours with regards to panasonic next move being qdoled might put the cat amoung the pigeons once more also I think Philips 9 series oled deserves a mention for 2024 having seen and heard it for myself this week WOW 👌
Please Don't update new virson in LG OLED Tv... new update it's big mistake to LG....... please LG to correct this problem.. New update install & other brand blutooth speaker are automatic disconnected.... Older virson connect but new update problem all lg G3 TV's please check your first connect other brand blutooth speaker & check your first this problem..... Please try & say I m right or not...... Please LG shawl this big big mistake....
I like how you want to sell LG as the better one. Also funny how you say the panasonic sounds better than MOST tvs, as if there is another one with 5.1 quality soundbar in it 😂 you guys are a joke. Upscaling is day and night.
@@williamlowry5704 I have a 6 year old OLED that I used for gaming for about a year and it didn’t show up at the time but 5 years later those pixels are worn and red pixels are complete trash in the lower third. It’s a C8 and I’m sure those issues have been improved over the years due to phosphorescent red and green pixels but people have real experiences of it prior to the LG EVO panels.
Even though the QC issues scare the HeLL outta me I'm still getting that 77 inch version but I'll just get a 5 year warranty & call it a day 😂😂😂 I just wish Samsung get's their 💩 together & just get aboard with Dolby Vision 🤦🏿🤷🏿
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I got a g4 65 for a nice price last week.
Very happy with it.
what's a good price
@ 2000 euro
Start price was around 3500 euro at release
Good price but i got the 77 inch G4 directly from LG Store for 2418€ with Shpping included
I'm glad Panasonic is back. We used to have a VT60. Just a shame that they use FireTV as the OS for their new models. Hope they stick around.
Still have my vt60 - beautiful picture - and skin tones? Just glorious. But almost no apps working any longer, must pick a oled tv soon...probably a sonya80l during black week.
I would prefer a thick tv if it had a good heatsink to help maintain brightness
That’ll never happen not in 1 billion years. Every TV should have a thing though you’re 100% correct. I think it’s a tough cell for people people want cheap TVs, right? Our community is an outlier. Most people are not buying an LG G4 or other top-tier model they’re buying the mid model that’s how marketing works. Show people a low price one high price one and a mid price one and they buy the mid price one. That’s marketing 101.
@@michael-4k4000that's kinda true. I can't really afford a 3000 dollar tv, don't want a 400 dollar tv. But i did find a decent tv for about 650.
At least when I looked on amazon the 65 inch G4 was 3 grand.
The Panasonic being thicker is not a downside, it's an advantage. The bulkier the chassis, the better it is at absorbing heat from the panel (this is a generalisation). This is benificial for all electronics but in particular for OLED's; whose inevitable degradation is accelerated by heat.
I have a LG G4 77 inch in a normal bright living room and the brightness setting is set between 20-50, maybe 60 in rare sunny conditions. Set it above that and your eyes burn out. The brightness war in OLED has become nonsense. Let's focus in picture quality instead.
Downside I find of the LG G4 is that the settings menu is slow, way too large buttons. The whole WebOS seems to consist of disjointed screen designs. Sony has this covered much more nicely in their TV's (had an AG9 before). Too bad Sony OLEDs are ridiculously expensive in the Netherlands, so I went for G4 and accepted some compromises.
So mla ist useless for the g4 in your case😅
Buy the Bravia 8 in Germany 😂
For the cost of the premium tv, they should put a high end arm cpu in them. Even if it adds another 150 bucks to the price.
I don't have a high end tv, I got the TCL q650, and I think would benefit for a slightly faster cpu.
You never see the processor specs as part of the marketing.
A smart tv with a Snapdragon 8 would be really nice.
Give an Nvidia Shield a shot. Im looking to get a new TV but I know im using my Shield with it!
Hello, Bob!
Did you´ve tested the C4 model?
@@pedroarquitectura No the G4 is far superior to C4 regarding screen and processing.
I've got a problem with how somehow LG manages to make a premium TV feel cheap. The OS feels disjointed and slow. It's like Windows 8 and 10 where you have different design patterns throughout the system. The remote is also cheap (eg no backlight) and it's time to ditch the pointer functionality (never use it).
The Sony 'premium' in the Netherlands usually was around 700 EUR over an LG or Samsung and I happily paid it. Now that is about 2000 EUR and that's just not justifiable. I'm happy with the G4, but in all fairness the A95L is the king, would be indisputable if it would have 4x HMDI 2.1.
Maybe the Z95A Panasonic could offer a model without the sound system attached. I'd buy it for sure.
I have Sony A95K qd-oled still this tv is a beast!
G4 if I had to choose between the two for my money. But A95L is still king!
just a reminder, sony motion is terrible for gaming , a95 is not a good tv for gaming. i return mine and get a g3 last years after i play cod for 20 minutes. but have to say the movie experience is impressive
@ Entirely false that Sony motion is terrible for gaming. You must be using artificial motion interpolation on the LG. If you have hardware which can max out the 120hz refresh rate constantly (even new gen ps5 pro can barely do this), then everything is equal. So you are incorrect.
@@Coolhand69 you just have to play fps game and you can see sony have terrible transitions when you try to turn around in fps game, no matter i connect to ps5 or a pc with 4090 and running with 200+ fps with game mode.
@@Coolhand69 also any artificial motion is not good for fps game and seem like sony always have some artificial motion no matter what i set the tv to and cause my experience
@@qupeter1224 did you try turn off motion interpolation when you used the a95l? I believe it’s called motion flow setting.
Don't care for crappy speakers and fake atmos in a TV. I want an excellent display to go with my custom audio system. I guess I like component based approach. This way you don't need to upgrade everything when you change one component. But that's just me.. I have a dedicated HT and most people don't. I remember drooling over their old Plasma panels though when it had no "smart" crap.. which I don't use anyways. got a dedicated box for that too. :D I love that it does both HDR10+ and DV though.
If you are in the category high end tv’s, I cant imagine that people are using tv speakers for audio…
Thats why the z95a is not my personal choice.
That panaonic supports Hdr10 plus (barely content) and DV support is good as you said..
But why no dts is a riddle to me..
@@masomaf Then again, if you have a high end TV you won't be using DTS decoding in TV anyways. as long as you can bitstream via HDMI eARC that's all you need. Nobody uses DTS these days...
Z95A just got last place according to HDTVTest. G4 got TV of the year.
Yeah thats where money comes into play big man 😂 this is never unpartial, you should know that. How can it be on the last place while it has the best upscaling and detail preservation from all.
Also i just checked in Germany its officially on 1, so who is lying 😂
@@Horvat04 Looks like it's Germany that's lying then.
@@trevhib place a g4 next to any panasonic flagship and watch hd or sd content and let me hear you then 😆
..And he was never seens again... 😆😆😆
Panasonic is more impact in colour, contrast, the viewving is a cinema approach ! It's a great manufacturer (I have their old last 3D TV TX-50 DX750F calibrated with my Display 1 pro)
Lg g 4 win🏆
Yet again nobody talks about the dreadful always on processing that LG uses to combat the chrominance overshoot, that adds lines on grey to near black surfaces in motion due to dithering, a situation that makes the TV painful to watch on close distance, especially when used as a PC monitor. Some console gamers will have this issue as well, if they sit close to the TV. It was so simple if LG would just disable this in game mode, where any image processing is useless anyways. For me it's hard to understand why no reviewer talks about this, because I'm sure that they've all noticed it and the image is greatly degraded at least in gaming. Because of this, the score in gaming should be very low for G4, despite its numerous features.
Panasonic need to offer the tv without the soundbar.
Hi guys,first he said they sound the same and both tvs got 7.5 and at the end he said Z95A has better sound.i dont get it
LG G4 takes another win ❤
Not another
LG G4 OLED TV WINERRRRRR
I think most importantly is the Panasonic is built to last soooo much longer. I can guarantee more robust power supply, this is where modern tvs fail to last a 5-10 years. Yes it’s thinner but thinner doesn’t mean more built to last.
I don't had such good experience with Panasonic I had a plasma model the TC P 42S AND at the second year got a huge strip of colors in the half of the display
I’ve only had one Panasonic but switched it out and know have 3 pioneer plasmas without an issue, those weigh 50 percent more than the equivalent Panasonic. I really do want a tv to last 20 years. My tvs are 15 years old and I’m looking to get a new tv eventually, just know of and see many sets struggling to last 5-10 years, to me tvs are an investment and once you have a good one enjoy it. I do think build quality has suffered with a lot of 4K TVs in terms of longevity.
@@dylankirkpatrick9522 I still have mine since 2010 from Sears here in Boston, LED 42 inches and sound bar included, total, $1,005, soo is was 14 yrs ago, and still going strong!!
Yeah right. Last Panasonic we took apart had a Sharp power supply 🤦 That one was made in Turkey Vestel, no actual Pana parts in it.
Both have oled panels which would likely fail first and LG has the best burn in protection and comes with a 5 year warranty. Most importantly for you is the panasonic brand name and perceived quality it doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
There is a 55 inch Z95A but in Europe and the G4 don't even come with a stand in Europe so the Z95A its little bit better in Europe in conparison
Rtings, please add JBL Boombox 3 Wifi i’d like to compare it to the previous Boombox 3 Model.
So it's way bulkier for no gain, it's heavier, it has only 1 actually usable 2.1 port, it lacks dts pass through, it has a hideous bottom bezel and finally it lacks any meaningful benefit visually all for more money? Man.. Panasonic.. Wth
Price wise the Panasonic way too expensive
Input lag on gaming?
LG always win in that department but both are oled's so it hardly matters. You wouldn't feel any difference. It's a couple hundreths of a second difference.
I'm surprised it's always a topic, we're talking about milliseconds. Forget that, if you have OLED lag problem does not exist.
Save money buy g4 and get good audio or a gamecomputer/ps/xbox
Not only did the z95a finish last at the HDTV shootout it did so by a notable margin. Guess what category the w95a got trounced the most? Video processing. LOL. For enthusiasts a much better comparison.
I loved Panasonic. I saw him for the first time in the 90s. Then Panasonic and Funai were the best) hello Panasonic)
I semi disagree. The Panasonic has way better processing and color accuracy. Better sound and more importantly… it has a SUBWOOFER output along with actual DTSX CODEC support (not pass through like LG). 🎉 also the Pana is has more options for hdr/DV.
Gaming aside, movie watching and dish/cable watchers should get the Panasonic. Especially for blue ray watchers. 🎉 all in my opinion tho. 🎉
Oh and let’s not forget you sell your soul to LG advertising. 🎉
why would u ever need HDR10+ if u have DV? and i highly doubt it since LG has with Sony one if not the best processor in terms of 3D Detail etc. and if i buy such an expensive TV i dont really care how they sound since TV Sound in general is not great.
One emoji more and i would,ve taken you seriously.
@@JulianRasch-g6v as rtings mentions, the audio in the z95a is on par with g4, with only a slight edge to the Panasonic. Kind of a huge miss with that ugly bulk added to the panel for a negligible audio difference.
Z95A has better sound, not as he said, but picture is comparable with G4, maybe Z95A is slightly ahead, but you don't notice that. Both are very good color calibrated , Panasonic perfect, G4 near perfect D65. Other stuff are usefull, Z95A better remote Control..but for me Z95A was no option anyway, builtin sound doesn't matter, because I have a sound system and I needed wall mount, larger than 65"
it doesn't have "way" better processing. They have pretty equal processing that do different things better than one another and the g4 was more accurate ootb and it's literally measured and shown in the video. Blue ray watchers with DTS should go LG, so anyone with a good sound system.
You just like the brand and it's perceived cimenatic purist qualities even when reality of the review says different.
That CHIN!
The days of panasonic being best in class tv are long gone and you have to go back to my own jz2000 the last time pana was at the top even then however Sony was going toe to toe with its a90j.
The two jewels in the Crown were the gz and hz panasonic way back in the day I had the gz and no other tv could touch it.
Time has moved on and the fact that pana came bottom in a recent shoot out which LG won says it all HOWEVER does it mean pana is no longer a good tv NO does it mean woled is dead tech NO.
We are very lucky to have such variety of top end tvs which in reality there is VERY LITTLE to chose between them in the NORMAL WORLD VIEWING.
For me I'll stick with my jz2000 old dead tech oled and mabe the rumours with regards to panasonic next move being qdoled might put the cat amoung the pigeons once more also I think Philips 9 series oled deserves a mention for 2024 having seen and heard it for myself this week WOW 👌
Please Don't update new virson in LG OLED Tv...
new update it's big mistake to LG....... please LG to correct this problem..
New update install & other brand blutooth speaker are automatic disconnected.... Older virson connect but new update problem all lg G3 TV's please check your first connect other brand blutooth speaker & check your first this problem..... Please try & say I m right or not......
Please LG shawl this big big mistake....
I like how you want to sell LG as the better one. Also funny how you say the panasonic sounds better than MOST tvs, as if there is another one with 5.1 quality soundbar in it 😂 you guys are a joke. Upscaling is day and night.
Will we ever get back to basics boys?
With no smart features? Sure. I don't mind paying more for a dumb TV. But then I'd just keep my C2 42" disconnected from the Internet.
Where did Abby go ? 😂 That's the question but this is a good versus
Jeff Bezels made my day
Burn In is still a real concern.
I agree. But what makes you say so. Do you have an OLED with burn in?
Absolutely rubbish game on a OLED for the past 10 years and absolutely nothing
6,000 hrs in. Nothing at all. Then again, I'm not a moron that boosts settings. I'm at 25 brightness now, and it hurts my eyes.
@@williamlowry5704 I have a 6 year old OLED that I used for gaming for about a year and it didn’t show up at the time but 5 years later those pixels are worn and red pixels are complete trash in the lower third. It’s a C8 and I’m sure those issues have been improved over the years due to phosphorescent red and green pixels but people have real experiences of it prior to the LG EVO panels.
@@christophejergales7852 Yup! Mine's 6,600 in with the LG C2 42". :)
No Abby, no party 🎉🎈😑
Aw, you poor thing. That lonely?
Simp
That Panasonic design is shockingly bad
STILL SAMSUNG S90D IS BEST FOR PRICE TO PICTURE QUALITY..
No Dolby Vision
Even though the QC issues scare the HeLL outta me I'm still getting that 77 inch version but I'll just get a 5 year warranty & call it a day 😂😂😂 I just wish Samsung get's their 💩 together & just get aboard with Dolby Vision 🤦🏿🤷🏿
@@jollama DV Is overrated.
@@JoeBlackDreamer So? It’s widely used on streaming services and 4K Blu-Rays; making it a useful feature to have on a TV
@@myquietreviews6 yr warranty thrown in for nothing in UK so nothing to be scared of.