The ore pass was because they mined lower levels out first, that way when doing top levels the can put all waste rock quickly just down ore shoots to the bottom of mine. and only need to haul out good ore. ;)
Very fortunate that you were able to document that fine art in the bunk house. That was the 1st time seeing wooden pegs still in the peg board. Outstanding video!
Haha, who would have thought such talent would be on display out in the desert wilds of Nevada? Indeed, very rare to see the wooden pegs in the peg board still in place!
I love the way you go more slowly than some other explorers and turn the camera to show where you've been. That makes following the "action" much easier. I commend you for your courage and caution at the same time. You are a better man than me. Thanks
Like seeing the open stopes and faults, good way to visualize how big the ore body they worked was. I'm also impressed by the men who worked in remote locations like this one in a time when the locations were even more inaccessible (due to transportation and smaller surrounding population centers). Makes me wonder if there are many very high grade deposits like these left! Thanks for sharing.
I share your feeling of being impressed, believe me! There are still a good number of high grade deposits out there, but given all of the rules and regulations now, it is only financially viable for the large deposits to be mined.
@@TVRExploring If you are going to go back to that mine, you could take some materials to take an impression of the Logo badge , plus some measurements and photos.
Very nice ore car! I have 3 cars I've collected myself, one being an A-car end dump w/no manufacturer name, a water car w/ no manufacturer name and a full rack steel car made for the Calumet and Arizona mine in Bisbee Arizona with the El Paso Foundry and Machine Company tag on it. The steel car would deliver drill steel from the blacksmith shop to the miners below. All three came from southern Arizona and the miners water cart is the first I've ever seen as most mines used water kegs. I have copies of old pictures showing these steel carts at the head frame of the C&A Oliver shaft.
Very cool ore cart, amazingly complete. I'd love to see that cart get moved to a museum, but it looks like it'd be quite the job to get it out, not to mention the risk of bringing the place down around you. Thanks for the upload. Love seeing your adventures.
In the beginning, that thing marked "Louden" -- the Louden Company made barn trolleys in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I was unaware that they made mining equipment. That's pretty cool to learn. I have several of their hay trolleys.
It's interesting to me how these companies often served so many different sectors rather than specializing as is more common today. It's also interesting to see so many companies that don't exist anymore.
You gotta love how Nevada's aridity preserves historical iron like that. Put that same piece of equipment up here in rainy Seattle and it rusts to pieces before you can blink.
There's a district in southern New Mexico that has all that and more, but with vertical veins! False floors give me the creeps, as do old cut-and-fill stopes. There's no way of knowing if you're standing over a void.
One of the few advantages of the flooded mines is that if a false floor does fail on you, you'll get wet and lose your equipment, but you won't die. If a false floor goes in some of these dry mines, you'll plunge to your death.
Justin, because of you, Frank and Gly I got really inspired to start searching for and explore mines. I live in Cottonwood, AZ. I was always intrigued by Jerome, AZ, however I wasn't seriously interested in mine exploration until watching your videos. I decided to start looking for mines in smaller mining areas outside of Jerome, seeing as how the Jerome mines are all locked up. I have had many disappointing bush-wacking, hill climbing long days. I kept finding waste rock piles with covered over or backfilled portals. Finally, Finally I found two adits this last weekend, they were way deep in the hills. I could see how they might have been missed by the forest service. There was no sign of recent human presence....it was so rewarding. I went into one and it only went back a couple hundred feet. I am heading back for the other one (which has a much bigger waste rock pile outside of it) as soon as I get a gas meter. Also, I found another huge waste rock pile down in a really tight canyon and of course after a bush-wack I could not find a portal, but I did find some track sticking out of the ground. 10 feet away from the track I found what I think is a mine car door. I wish I could post the picture of it for you to see it and help me figure out if that is what it is. I am so excited to find this item!! I wish I had a cool ore cart to post like you asked, but I have this door. How to I post the Pic?
One more thing...If you are ever in AZ and are interested in having a hand along with you on a mission, I would love to help. So far, I seem to feel comfortable in the few mines I have explored. Also, I am a former full-time firefighter/ALS-EMT. I am certified in ropes, rigging and repel and have been on many technical rescues and have my own ropes and rigging if that helps. Just throwing that out there, it would be such an honor to assist you or just ride-a-long. If not, I get that too...lol. Anyway, thanks for all you do. I didnt realize how addicting this stuff can be...lol
Thank you. I'm glad we could inspire you to get out and hunt down some of this unique niche of our nation's history... Trust me, plenty of our trips end up being a bust as well. The videos are just of the successful trips! However, you learn to appreciate just being out there in the first place. That said, you also get much better over time at hunting these sites down as you learn about different resources to use, which areas haven't been hit by a wave of mine closures yet, etc. I am really glad that you were able to find the two open adits you mentioned. For what it's worth, I have never encountered bad air in a dry mine. Definitely bring more than one light in with you as well... I have had lights fail on me before. I don't know of any way to directly post pictures in the comments. However, anything that you can link to would work. As far as coming along on a mine exploring trip, good company is always welcome... I have not been mine exploring in Arizona yet, but it is on the list. If I can go mine exploring in Afghanistan or Kyrgyzstan, it seems odd that I haven't been mine exploring in Arizona yet, but whatever. Having recently started a career as a firefighter as well, I have a good idea of your skills and I can tell you that they would be most welcome (and useful) on a mine exploring trip (aside from the requirement of being good company). If you're serious about coming along, do me a favor and shoot me an email at TVRExploring@gmail.com (with a reminder of who you are) and I'll be in touch when I make it down to Arizona. Oh, and, yes, this can be very addicting!
@@TVRExploring thank you sir for getting back to me..it really helps harvest the stoke! Forget Arizona, I want to go to Afghanistan..lol. J/K. Congratulations on becoming a firefighter I wish you well on your new journey. It is a rewarding career for sure. I miss it everyday!! I will definitely send an email later! Thanks again for the inspiring comments, it means a lot! I wish you were closer...I found some shafts I want to repel into, but I am having a hard time getting anyone to join me....lol. Gee I wonder why . hahahaha
@@darinday6930 Haha, Afghanistan is actually one of my favorite places to visit... It's a paradise for men! Thank you for the congrats on the firefighter. It is really tough to find people willing to go mine exploring. I have people across several states that I have to coordinate with to go on trips.
Super stoked as I have just found my first abandoned coal mine in the mountains of Northeast Pa. The portal is mostly overgrown and caved but it's open enough to get in. By the map dates I found, it was likely closed in the 30's.
That is good work finding one that is still open... If you go in, please bring the proper air monitors and other safety equipment because that it a long time for a coal mine to be accumulating its unique dangers.
@@TVRExploring The area had probably 5 portals. The rad thing once I cleared the leaves and small stones is that there was tons of airflow going into it. I'm still going to bring all the proper gear as I definitely don't want this to be my first and last abandoned mine experience.
@@TVRExploring I'm usually not one for making videos (anymore) but I think I'm going to document this a little. Have you been in any coal drifts or slopes? Any tips or tricks or things to look out for? Safety is my number one priority over everything, obviously.
Is it the same firm? From what I could tell, the Globe Iron Works that built this ore car moved to Sacramento, changed their name and then disappeared...
@@TVRExploring sounds like you went deeper than I did. I just found it strange that the newer company would have picked the same name without there being a connection somehow. There are pictures out on the interwebs of the original Stockton buildings, which is always cool to see.
There's one old mine restored one once just like that one nice to see a ore car or cart in fine shape like that one!!!; ) bet Jeff Williams is watching this!!!
There are several ore cars in front of a Mexican restaurant in White Settlement Texas of all places, they seem to be in Fairly good order and being used as flower planters.
Nice find on the ore cart! I have a question. It seems all the mines I visit have the prerequisite abandoned car or truck .. just saw that engine at the intro and it dawned on me that maybe they bought old cars, drove them to the mines and then pulled the engines for power plants!
Yes, driving cars and trucks out to the mines and them using them to power hoists and other equipment was fairly common with the smaller mines operating on a budget. We have seen that numerous times. Miners are very resourceful!
@@TVRExploring If you catch any episodes of the Opal Miners from Cooper Pedy in South Australia, they do similar things with old trucks and other equipment probably bought out of Machinery and Equipment magazines or at Auctions.
Geeze, your videos keep getting better and better! How many ore cars have you found to date? You said this mine was purposefully bulldozed shut? They didn't do that good of a job if you found your way in!
Thank you very much. It wasn't purposefully bulldozed shut. It was incidentally bulldozed shut by surface mining work... I couldn't tell you how many ore cars we have come across now. It is definitely over a hundred, but I don't know for sure beyond that...
I was referring to the unmilled timber supports... "Stulls" refer to horizontal timbers wedged into place between the walls of a stope. The wooden supports I was commenting on would be referred to simply as timber supports or timbering, utilizing the "cap and post" method.
Why is quartz such a good sign for miners? I’m new to watching your videos and I keep hearing you say no wonder the miners came here or kept going based on the amount of quartz. Thanks and love your videos!
Thank you. Quartz can frequently be host to gold. This is why the gold miners were always chasing down quartz veins... Not all quartz has gold, however, which is why you see quartz left behind in some mines.
I think there's a good possibility that the miners actually remove the wheels from their ore carte to prevent other mines from stealing their ore carts.
To me an ore cart is the small narrow gauge ones used in mines, and an ore car is the full size one on a railroad track. But it doesn't bother me when people call them car or cart either way. It's too bad that one will be lost probably sooner than later. It's museum quality. --- I was a bit of an artist in my younger days too. But I didn't didn't draw naked women. My thing was drawing drag racing cars and motors.
My personal definition of the difference between an ore car and an ore cart matches yours. Also, like you, I am definitely not losing sleep over whether someone calls it an ore car or an ore cart! Some people, as you undoubtedly know, get really worked up about that sort of thing though...
It looks like Liberty Iron Works of North Sacramento were out of business by 1920. Globe Iron Works was reorganized as the Liberty Iron Works by Sacramento banker J.M. Henderson, and converted over to the manufacture of airplanes in September of 1917. Their last major contract seems to have been for 300 (200 actually built) Curtiss JN-4 aircraft to be used for pilot training at Mather Field. Maybe they hadn't planned well enough for the end of the 1st World War.
i really enjoy your videos,,, i wish i had better cameras back when i was mining the oldest working silver mine in canada. Sandon bc. ghost town. did the best i could. -"Valhalla Miners" if you wanted to look it up. thank you for what you are doing!!!!
Thank you. Glad you enjoy them... Hey, I know it isn't easy to film in underground mines, believe me! And the fact that you did so while also mining is impressive. I'm glad you were able to document what you did. It must have been cool working there.
Would seem there should be a portal for one of the lower levels. Even, as was mentioned they just dumped workings from upper levels into so called closed lower levels. Would had to remove lower level material to the outside at one point.
You should get a cordless grinder with some zip discs and cut the rivets off. Take it out in pcs. and re-rivet the sexy beast. So worth saving before its lost forever.
Most of that loose rock was likely considered “tailings” when gold was $35 to $50 per ounce. Now, at near $2000, those rocks might be worthwhile to crush.
That is true of many of these old abandoned mines... However, with the rules and regulations in place now, the large mining corporations are just interested in the big deposits. They don't consider smaller deposits, even if they are high grade, to be worth the hassle. So, there is definitely an unexploited segment of gold deposits out there.
@@TVRExploring This could be a great opportunity for the small operator, collecting buckets of ore a couple at a time, then taking them home or off-site to crush and process.
I am reminded of a story about some kid in Mexico whom the old miners were laughing at for taking out a claim on the tailings of Old Mines and then with modern equipment becoming Very Very rich.
@@gutfinski Absolutely! With interest in mining in general dissipating with the general public, there isn't even a lot of competition for some of these rich gold deposits.
TVR -- Justin , if you want to see Ore Cars , go to the Mining Park at the Mizpah Mine in Tonopah, Nevada . They've got bunches of them , all right out on the Surface . -- < Doc > .
@@TVRExploring -- Yes it is , I just wish that they had retained more of the antique equipment instead of selling it to a scrapper . I worked on that site back in 1978 when the property was leased by Houston Oil & Minerals Corp. . The building where the 'Museum' is , was the LAB & FIRE ASSAY room . I actually worked in the Hoist House and occasionally in the Lab , and I'm the one that painted the Headframe , Silver . -- < Doc > .
@@001desertrat3 You sure have a lot of mining history running through your veins, Doc! Yes, I'm very sorry that so much historic mining equipment has gone to the scrappers over the years as well.
@@TVRExploring -- Well , when you live and breathe Mining 24/7/365 for most of your life even as a teenager , you do have a tendency to learn a lot about all aspects of the Mining Industry . It's not just about swinging a pick & shovel down in the darkness for long grueling hours , there are many many different aspects to the mining industry , all of which are equally important . -- < Doc > .
WOW ! Really cool one this . Not only some cool finds in the mine , but cool XXX Art in the Bldg. to boot :D Great tag on that car . You know , watching this I don't understand why so many shoots so close together as you show at 7:52 .? I mean if they are not coming from different levels , what is a extra 10 ft of moving Ore to a shoot compared to digging another shoot ?! If I hadn't read your intro about this mine and cars/ carts . I was going to " speculate " that a cart was any of them brought out of the mine by a animal . That being , we humans , donkeys , mules . Cars being propelled / moved by any mechanical means . Electric , steam , gas ... Really nice find . Can't wait for your next video from here . Be safe out there .. Gubs
A different crew may have not used that level at all and just used the chutes to direct the ore further down where it may have been easier to retrieve.
@@ashtontoler7603 Hi Ashton . Yeah , but still . Unless they were at different levels when they did as you suggest . That doesn't answer why so many so close ON the level he was on in this video , right ? For clarity . I am NOT trying to start a or argue . I just don't understand how what you said applies to what I couldn't understand ... Gubs
@@indycharlie not trying to argue either friend was just trying to help answer your question as for why their are so many close together, if they wanted to leave that level out completely they would have to have an ore pass for each chute otherwise they'd have to have an ore car and an extra employee or 2 to run all the chutes and ore passes on that level. Hope this answers your question im not an expert by any means so I'm taking my best guess but that seems to fit to me.
That is one sketchy, nasty mine. That is the best ore car I've ever seen though. If you are still in the mood for ore cars, here's a couple I've seen. This one for sheer numbers of ore cars: www.flickr.com/photos/autowitch/161431296/in/album-107460/ This one for the setting: www.flickr.com/photos/autowitch/161432198/in/album-107460/
Definitely car, not cart, especially when strung into a train! Imgur isn't cooperating right now, otherwise I'd post a link to a photo I took topside that shows a bunch of ore cars, an EIMCO overshot mucker, and a camelback dumper (see Jory Dion's video on that one). I also have another of a literal mountain of newer ore cars that I took in Fresno last winter when I bought my LHDs. If you want an ore car for a yard ornament or whatever reason, shoot me an email and I'll give you contact information. It warms my heart to see ore chutes blocked by miners. When they're left open, vein material tends to "rabble" out of the stope and into the drift. In extreme cases, this can block the drift. I've run into this before; in one case it's blocking access to an inclined shaft that leads to recently-dewatered workings last mined in the early 1980s that I'd love to see. That one is likely to require gritting my teeth and bringing a shovel and wheelbarrow, because the rabbled material runs $150+ per ton. 13:26 made me laugh...that stupid "S" symbol we drew all over notebooks and whatnot in middle school. Did anyone ever figure out what it was supposed to be? 15:29 Crist Machinery appears defunct, but Golden Equipment occupies that address now. The page indicates Crist was a Cat dealer, Golden is a Volvo dealer. Wagner is now the Cat dealer for the region; I worked with a few Wagner techs on surface equipment at my (thankfully) old job.
Wow, thank you for all of the additional info and for teaching me a new term (rabbled). Indeed, it does sound as if you'll need to get to digging out that blocked drift... I hope you post a video of what is beyond!
@@TVRExploring Of course! I'm not sure it's a technical term, but it's what's in common use in the district and accurately describes the behavior of stopes that stand open for an extended period of time. I'll be moving to less than an hour from that mine in the next week or two, and should have time to work on that project a bit. Most likely, I'll have to wheelbarrow ore out the portal and dump it into the bucket of my LHD or a surface loader. If that drift were a foot or two wider, I probably would have mucked it out with the 911 already! If I can get into those workings, there will definitely be video! There is a distinct possibility of a major ownership shakeup in the district. I'm not giving specifics here because of SEC issues but I'll have some operational control if what could happen, happens. In that case, I'll be starting with some assessment work at a mine we've seen before and possibly moving into exploration and development. Will shoot you an email with more details.
Is it possible folks remove the wheels to prevent the scum bags steeling the entire cart. Thanks for all you do to share with us. Long live the Orr car.
the wooden posts of unbarked timbe are just called pit props and when I was little and my area was one great coalfield there were always mountains of the props piled up by railway in pit towns. This is West Yorkshire and the posts were all claimed to come from Norway as they had huge virgin forests while UK had none. Once the little thin seam pits were all cosed and only thicker seams wwere being worked with longwall cutters very few pit propes were needed as they ad walking hydraulic roof supports forllowing the coal cutter and panzer. Panzer because he conveyor steel was suppoosed to come from Germany or was as tough as tank steel. There is a a preserved long wall mine I have been down and the coal cutter and hydraulic roof jacks is in situ as the moment the last shift stopped work: www.ncm.org.uk/the-experience/opening-later/underground-tours You may need an interpreter able to translate the local West Yorkshire Broad Yorkshire into American English as we West Yorkshire folk like to maintain our Anglo-Saxon-Jute roots.
Nice explore guys and a nice minecart/car surprised the souvenir hunters have left that badge in place. looking forward to the return with the rope and other equipment you need.
Man that is quite the awesome car! I could be wrong but it looks like the tip locking mechanism is controlled via a footpedal, if so that is certainly unique. Out of the hundreds I have seen that one would be on my top 10 list as well. Here is my favorite I have seen, documented by Mine Explorers : ruclips.net/video/AAfUqbWK6Sc/видео.html @ 23:42 LC Trent & Co Engineers Car, in amazing quality with several unique features. Another contender would be the Improved Matteson Car found by Mines of The West, love the aesthetics ruclips.net/video/Shbhz25OxYY/видео.html @ 1.13 / 10:52 / 13:01 Pretty cool homemade car crafted from a steel barrel on display at Robson Mining World, shown off by Frank! ruclips.net/video/AiQwvua7NEo/видео.html @ 5.25 Thanks for documenting these lost relics, information on pre-WW2 ore cars is quite sparce.
Yes, definitely an awesome ore car and, as you pointed out, a very unique one! Thank you for including those links. Those are great examples of great ore cars... I visited that mine with Mines of the West, but the aesthetics in his videos are top notch and are hard to beat!
Here's some more ore car info. The car you found had a serial #4955 the one in this web page is #6176 a newer one. www.halslamppost.com/Miscellaneous%20Mining%20Items/slides/Truax%20Ore%20Car%20Tag.html
I know you don't like anyone disturbing the artifacts, and in general, I'm with you on that. That cart on the other hand will never be seen by anyone again and will be destroyed. It would be really nice if it could be saved and donated to a museum. It's not clear if the larger parts could be lowered down and moved via the areas below you.
I'd still leave this one where it is... Regardless, I think it would be EXTREMELY difficult (if not impossible without something on the scale of a military operation) to get out of there.
Great 1897 LA newspaper page with mining and a mention of a Truax Ore Car which was made by a company out of BC Canada and licensed ot be made by others- i.imgur.com/kghcjG2.jpg
Why have ore chutes so close to each other? Seems like a lot of work to build one, when they could just haul the ore the extra five feet to the previous chute.
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The ore pass was because they mined lower levels out first, that way when doing top levels the can put all waste rock quickly just down ore shoots to the bottom of mine. and only need to haul out good ore. ;)
Very fortunate that you were able to document that fine art in the bunk house. That was the 1st time seeing wooden pegs still in the peg board. Outstanding video!
Haha, who would have thought such talent would be on display out in the desert wilds of Nevada? Indeed, very rare to see the wooden pegs in the peg board still in place!
I love the way you go more slowly than some other explorers and turn the camera to show where you've been. That makes following the "action" much easier. I commend you for your courage and caution at the same time. You are a better man than me. Thanks
Thank you very much. I know the mine layouts can make staying oriented difficult and so I try to make it easier for those that are not there!
There was some serious acrobatic skill required to all the way back there. I spent most of the time cursing on my way back there. Nice job!
My knees weren't very happy with me...
"Pole wood" unmilled timber
Exceptional, thanks for the tour
Like seeing the open stopes and faults, good way to visualize how big the ore body they worked was. I'm also impressed by the men who worked in remote locations like this one in a time when the locations were even more inaccessible (due to transportation and smaller surrounding population centers). Makes me wonder if there are many very high grade deposits like these left! Thanks for sharing.
I share your feeling of being impressed, believe me! There are still a good number of high grade deposits out there, but given all of the rules and regulations now, it is only financially viable for the large deposits to be mined.
nice find there sonny Jim......got my attention with that tag and wann see whats at the bottom so you know what I am gonna say huh....ooooh you better
There will definitely be a sequel to this one... I'm not sure when, but there will be!
Excellent find there...complete ore car with builders pkate, serial number! That one belongs in a museum! Good luck getting it out.
Wow, that ore car was fantastic! I would love to make an impression of the badge and pour a replica to hang on the wall.
It's the best one I've seen, to be sure...
i have the exact same car with badge number 5475. happy to share if u can figure a way. located reno, nv
@@TVRExploring If you are going to go back to that mine, you could take some materials to take an impression of the Logo badge , plus some measurements and photos.
What was the number on that ore car? I am viewing on my phone and can't pick up all the details? Is it # 4955?
@@markfryer9880 I took a screenshot of the video so I could zoom in. It does appear to be 4955.
Very nice ore car!
I have 3 cars I've collected myself, one being an A-car end dump w/no manufacturer name, a water car w/ no manufacturer name and a full rack steel car made for the Calumet and Arizona mine in Bisbee Arizona with the El Paso Foundry and Machine Company tag on it. The steel car would deliver drill steel from the blacksmith shop to the miners below.
All three came from southern Arizona and the miners water cart is the first I've ever seen as most mines used water kegs. I have copies of old pictures showing these steel carts at the head frame of the C&A Oliver shaft.
I have definitely never seen a water car as you described it... That is very interesting (and, obviously, rare).
Incredible ore car .. looks like it was parked yesterday.. thanks for the effort and for sharing!
Very cool find, with all the cave ins it would be cool to get the cart out before its lost forever.
Very cool ore cart, amazingly complete. I'd love to see that cart get moved to a museum, but it looks like it'd be quite the job to get it out, not to mention the risk of bringing the place down around you. Thanks for the upload. Love seeing your adventures.
In the beginning, that thing marked "Louden" -- the Louden Company made barn trolleys in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I was unaware that they made mining equipment. That's pretty cool to learn. I have several of their hay trolleys.
It's interesting to me how these companies often served so many different sectors rather than specializing as is more common today. It's also interesting to see so many companies that don't exist anymore.
I can't wait for your return to see what surprises are in the lower workings. Once again, love every video you put out!
Thank you very much. Yes, we will definitely be back. I'm not sure when, but I promise that we will be...
Artifacts outside and the crown jewel inside. Can't wait to see the lower levels! Good Job!
You gotta love how Nevada's aridity preserves historical iron like that. Put that same piece of equipment up here in rainy Seattle and it rusts to pieces before you can blink.
Definitely! That ore car would be a brittle hunk of rust in our wet Sierra Nevada mines!
Thx for posting! super fun to watch you guys explore..you guys are brave for sure!
Those false floors are terrifying. It looks like a long way down bouncing off of stuff if one we're to give
There's a district in southern New Mexico that has all that and more, but with vertical veins! False floors give me the creeps, as do old cut-and-fill stopes. There's no way of knowing if you're standing over a void.
One of the few advantages of the flooded mines is that if a false floor does fail on you, you'll get wet and lose your equipment, but you won't die. If a false floor goes in some of these dry mines, you'll plunge to your death.
Great ore cart find with builders plate on it. Seen some of them on Ebay. The metal pipe with the pointed end was a drill jack leg.
Sequel with your new findings (hopeful). Lovely Ore Car hund...great to see this stuff lasting forever. Great explores as usual, Thanks
Thank you. The sequel will come! I'm just not sure when...
Really cool mine. It looks pretty dangerous but worth it. Love the ore cart and peg board.
Thanks for sharing, Paul in Lower Boddington UK
Glad there was at least a reward for crawling thru all that sketchy stuff. I own a Globe Iron Works ore car. Sadly mine is missing the fancy badge.
Haha, yes, I wish making our way through sketchy areas was this successful more often!
Justin, because of you, Frank and Gly I got really inspired to start searching for and explore mines. I live in Cottonwood, AZ. I was always intrigued by Jerome, AZ, however I wasn't seriously interested in mine exploration until watching your videos. I decided to start looking for mines in smaller mining areas outside of Jerome, seeing as how the Jerome mines are all locked up. I have had many disappointing bush-wacking, hill climbing long days. I kept finding waste rock piles with covered over or backfilled portals. Finally, Finally I found two adits this last weekend, they were way deep in the hills. I could see how they might have been missed by the forest service. There was no sign of recent human presence....it was so rewarding. I went into one and it only went back a couple hundred feet. I am heading back for the other one (which has a much bigger waste rock pile outside of it) as soon as I get a gas meter. Also, I found another huge waste rock pile down in a really tight canyon and of course after a bush-wack I could not find a portal, but I did find some track sticking out of the ground. 10 feet away from the track I found what I think is a mine car door. I wish I could post the picture of it for you to see it and help me figure out if that is what it is. I am so excited to find this item!! I wish I had a cool ore cart to post like you asked, but I have this door. How to I post the Pic?
One more thing...If you are ever in AZ and are interested in having a hand along with you on a mission, I would love to help. So far, I seem to feel comfortable in the few mines I have explored. Also, I am a former full-time firefighter/ALS-EMT. I am certified in ropes, rigging and repel and have been on many technical rescues and have my own ropes and rigging if that helps. Just throwing that out there, it would be such an honor to assist you or just ride-a-long. If not, I get that too...lol. Anyway, thanks for all you do. I didnt realize how addicting this stuff can be...lol
Thank you. I'm glad we could inspire you to get out and hunt down some of this unique niche of our nation's history... Trust me, plenty of our trips end up being a bust as well. The videos are just of the successful trips! However, you learn to appreciate just being out there in the first place. That said, you also get much better over time at hunting these sites down as you learn about different resources to use, which areas haven't been hit by a wave of mine closures yet, etc. I am really glad that you were able to find the two open adits you mentioned. For what it's worth, I have never encountered bad air in a dry mine. Definitely bring more than one light in with you as well... I have had lights fail on me before. I don't know of any way to directly post pictures in the comments. However, anything that you can link to would work.
As far as coming along on a mine exploring trip, good company is always welcome... I have not been mine exploring in Arizona yet, but it is on the list. If I can go mine exploring in Afghanistan or Kyrgyzstan, it seems odd that I haven't been mine exploring in Arizona yet, but whatever. Having recently started a career as a firefighter as well, I have a good idea of your skills and I can tell you that they would be most welcome (and useful) on a mine exploring trip (aside from the requirement of being good company). If you're serious about coming along, do me a favor and shoot me an email at TVRExploring@gmail.com (with a reminder of who you are) and I'll be in touch when I make it down to Arizona.
Oh, and, yes, this can be very addicting!
@@TVRExploring thank you sir for getting back to me..it really helps harvest the stoke! Forget Arizona, I want to go to Afghanistan..lol. J/K. Congratulations on becoming a firefighter I wish you well on your new journey. It is a rewarding career for sure. I miss it everyday!! I will definitely send an email later! Thanks again for the inspiring comments, it means a lot! I wish you were closer...I found some shafts I want to repel into, but I am having a hard time getting anyone to join me....lol. Gee I wonder why . hahahaha
@@darinday6930 Haha, Afghanistan is actually one of my favorite places to visit... It's a paradise for men! Thank you for the congrats on the firefighter. It is really tough to find people willing to go mine exploring. I have people across several states that I have to coordinate with to go on trips.
@@TVRExploring just a heads up. Sent you an email..you might miss it ...It probably says its from my company. Pacific Gutter Co.
10:29 I guess the manufacturer's plate answers the "Ore Car" versus "Ore Cart" debate.
Going right to the source, I'd say it does!
It looks more like "ORE GAR" :)
Super stoked as I have just found my first abandoned coal mine in the mountains of Northeast Pa. The portal is mostly overgrown and caved but it's open enough to get in. By the map dates I found, it was likely closed in the 30's.
That is good work finding one that is still open... If you go in, please bring the proper air monitors and other safety equipment because that it a long time for a coal mine to be accumulating its unique dangers.
@@TVRExploring The area had probably 5 portals. The rad thing once I cleared the leaves and small stones is that there was tons of airflow going into it. I'm still going to bring all the proper gear as I definitely don't want this to be my first and last abandoned mine experience.
@@MikeOrkid The strong air flow is a fantastic sign... You definitely want that in a coal mine.
@@TVRExploring I'm usually not one for making videos (anymore) but I think I'm going to document this a little. Have you been in any coal drifts or slopes? Any tips or tricks or things to look out for? Safety is my number one priority over everything, obviously.
Globe Iron Works is still in activity out in California
Is it the same firm? From what I could tell, the Globe Iron Works that built this ore car moved to Sacramento, changed their name and then disappeared...
@@TVRExploring sounds like you went deeper than I did. I just found it strange that the newer company would have picked the same name without there being a connection somehow. There are pictures out on the interwebs of the original Stockton buildings, which is always cool to see.
@@rg3412 Yes, that's why I was curious where this company you mentioned is located and what you found as a coincidence of that nature seems unlikely?
Just love your enthusiasm buddy!
Excellent, really cool mine and artifacts, fantastic video as always...!
Thank you.
I am with you on the ore cart was very neat
Thanks for sharing. Long live the Orr Car.
There's one old mine restored one once just like that one nice to see a ore car or cart in fine shape like that one!!!; ) bet Jeff Williams is watching this!!!
I wish we found them like this more often!
10:43 That was a can with a lid. I'm so want to know what was inside
I really don't know how you can squeeze down tunnels like that with balls that size
There are several ore cars in front of a Mexican restaurant in White Settlement Texas of all places, they seem to be in Fairly good order and being used as flower planters.
Looks pretty cool in there it must have been a pretty active place at one time
Yes, I'm sure there was a lot going on at this mine when it was still operating!
He's in an ore-car(t) state of mind... Snazzy find! Happy Holidays to U & Yrs!
It happens... All the best to you and yours as well!
@@TVRExploring Cheers!
Thank you for the video . Yes that ore Cart is Special even has a serial number .
Indeed! Very rare...
Nice find on the ore cart! I have a question. It seems all the mines I visit have the prerequisite abandoned car or truck .. just saw that engine at the intro and it dawned on me that maybe they bought old cars, drove them to the mines and then pulled the engines for power plants!
Yes, driving cars and trucks out to the mines and them using them to power hoists and other equipment was fairly common with the smaller mines operating on a budget. We have seen that numerous times. Miners are very resourceful!
@@TVRExploring If you catch any episodes of the Opal Miners from Cooper Pedy in South Australia, they do similar things with old trucks and other equipment probably bought out of Machinery and Equipment magazines or at Auctions.
Geeze, your videos keep getting better and better! How many ore cars have you found to date? You said this mine was purposefully bulldozed shut? They didn't do that good of a job if you found your way in!
Thank you very much. It wasn't purposefully bulldozed shut. It was incidentally bulldozed shut by surface mining work... I couldn't tell you how many ore cars we have come across now. It is definitely over a hundred, but I don't know for sure beyond that...
Yes, there is a technical term for those! They're called logs.
A very nice old ore car in a messy mine, would love too see if there is more nice stuff in there.
There will definitely be a sequel. I'm not sure when, but there will be...
Very cool find guys!
Yall sure curate some top notch videos
Thank you very much.
Really enjoyed this one, realllly sketchy looking in there tho.. would like to see more but be suuuper careful.
The wooden supports are called stulls? Or do you mean there is a different name if it isn't milled?
I was referring to the unmilled timber supports... "Stulls" refer to horizontal timbers wedged into place between the walls of a stope. The wooden supports I was commenting on would be referred to simply as timber supports or timbering, utilizing the "cap and post" method.
@@TVRExploringAh ok thank you for clearing that up for me
Nicest Ore car I have ever seen,
My favorite I've seen so far, for sure...
Why is quartz such a good sign for miners? I’m new to watching your videos and I keep hearing you say no wonder the miners came here or kept going based on the amount of quartz. Thanks and love your videos!
Thank you. Quartz can frequently be host to gold. This is why the gold miners were always chasing down quartz veins... Not all quartz has gold, however, which is why you see quartz left behind in some mines.
I think there's a good possibility that the miners actually remove the wheels from their ore carte to prevent other mines from stealing their ore carts.
Another mountain being held up by matchsticks. Bring back some samples for JW.
To me an ore cart is the small narrow gauge ones used in mines, and an ore car is the full size one on a railroad track. But it doesn't bother me when people call them car or cart either way. It's too bad that one will be lost probably sooner than later. It's museum quality.
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I was a bit of an artist in my younger days too. But I didn't didn't draw naked women. My thing was drawing drag racing cars and motors.
My personal definition of the difference between an ore car and an ore cart matches yours. Also, like you, I am definitely not losing sleep over whether someone calls it an ore car or an ore cart! Some people, as you undoubtedly know, get really worked up about that sort of thing though...
Very cool . best of the best... Thank you
Thank you very much. Yes, this was a great find...
Pretty sketchy mine to be going around shutes on with a big hole to the left!
Yes, this one was sporty in a few places, but it was worth it.
My goodness, that mine was nothing but Swiss cheese. Please be careful!
It looks like Liberty Iron Works of North Sacramento were out of business by 1920. Globe Iron Works was reorganized as the Liberty Iron Works by Sacramento banker J.M. Henderson, and converted over to the manufacture of airplanes in September of 1917. Their last major contract seems to have been for 300 (200 actually built) Curtiss JN-4 aircraft to be used for pilot training at Mather Field. Maybe they hadn't planned well enough for the end of the 1st World War.
Thank you for doing the research on this one!
Thanks again for making the video
@ 0:48 looks like a Model - A engine and transmission.
You could probably get $10k easy for that ore car. Another great exploration!!
Thank you.
Take Only Photographs and Leave Nothing But Footprints.
i have the exact same car with medallion, SN 5475. Happy to share pix...
one in video is #4965
i really enjoy your videos,,, i wish i had better cameras back when i was mining the oldest working silver mine in canada. Sandon bc. ghost town. did the best i could. -"Valhalla Miners" if you wanted to look it up. thank you for what you are doing!!!!
Thank you. Glad you enjoy them... Hey, I know it isn't easy to film in underground mines, believe me! And the fact that you did so while also mining is impressive. I'm glad you were able to document what you did. It must have been cool working there.
Would seem there should be a portal for one of the lower levels. Even, as was mentioned they just dumped workings from upper levels into so called closed lower levels. Would had to remove lower level material to the outside at one point.
The ore and waste rock was pulled out via a shaft. The drift levels all tie into the shaft...
the adit is also ore chute + false floor
Yes, this is true!
Hell yeah!!
Why do people steal the wheels? What possible use can they put them to?
I don't know, but it is very rare to come cross an ore car that still has its wheels...
You should get a cordless grinder with some zip discs and cut the rivets off. Take it out in pcs. and re-rivet the sexy beast. So worth saving before its lost forever.
Most of that loose rock was likely considered “tailings” when gold was $35 to $50 per ounce. Now, at near $2000, those rocks might be worthwhile to crush.
That is true of many of these old abandoned mines... However, with the rules and regulations in place now, the large mining corporations are just interested in the big deposits. They don't consider smaller deposits, even if they are high grade, to be worth the hassle. So, there is definitely an unexploited segment of gold deposits out there.
@@TVRExploring This could be a great opportunity for the small operator, collecting buckets of ore a couple at a time, then taking them home or off-site to crush and process.
I am reminded of a story about some kid in Mexico whom the old miners were laughing at for taking out a claim on the tailings of Old Mines and then with modern equipment becoming Very Very rich.
@@gutfinski Absolutely! With interest in mining in general dissipating with the general public, there isn't even a lot of competition for some of these rich gold deposits.
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TVR -- Justin , if you want to see Ore Cars , go to the Mining Park at the Mizpah Mine in Tonopah, Nevada . They've got bunches of them , all right out on the Surface . -- < Doc > .
Yes, I've been there... Impressive site! It was fun to visit this summer when, because of Covid, we were the ONLY visitors.
@@TVRExploring -- Yes it is , I just wish that they had retained more of the antique equipment instead of selling it to a scrapper . I worked on that site back in 1978 when the property was leased by Houston Oil & Minerals Corp. . The building where the 'Museum' is , was the LAB & FIRE ASSAY room . I actually worked in the Hoist House and occasionally in the Lab , and I'm the one that painted the Headframe , Silver . -- < Doc > .
@@001desertrat3 You sure have a lot of mining history running through your veins, Doc! Yes, I'm very sorry that so much historic mining equipment has gone to the scrappers over the years as well.
@@TVRExploring -- Well , when you live and breathe Mining 24/7/365 for most of your life even as a teenager , you do have a tendency to learn a lot about all aspects of the Mining Industry . It's not just about swinging a pick & shovel down in the darkness for long grueling hours , there are many many different aspects to the mining industry , all of which are equally important . -- < Doc > .
WOW ! Really cool one this . Not only some cool finds in the mine , but cool XXX Art in the Bldg. to boot :D Great tag on that car . You know , watching this I don't understand why so many shoots so close together as you show at 7:52 .? I mean if they are not coming from different levels , what is a extra 10 ft of moving Ore to a shoot compared to digging another shoot ?! If I hadn't read your intro about this mine and cars/ carts . I was going to " speculate " that a cart was any of them brought out of the mine by a animal . That being , we humans , donkeys , mules . Cars being propelled / moved by any mechanical means . Electric , steam , gas ... Really nice find . Can't wait for your next video from here . Be safe out there .. Gubs
A different crew may have not used that level at all and just used the chutes to direct the ore further down where it may have been easier to retrieve.
@@ashtontoler7603 Hi Ashton . Yeah , but still . Unless they were at different levels when they did as you suggest . That doesn't answer why so many so close ON the level he was on in this video , right ? For clarity . I am NOT trying to start a or argue . I just don't understand how what you said applies to what I couldn't understand ... Gubs
@@indycharlie not trying to argue either friend was just trying to help answer your question as for why their are so many close together, if they wanted to leave that level out completely they would have to have an ore pass for each chute otherwise they'd have to have an ore car and an extra employee or 2 to run all the chutes and ore passes on that level. Hope this answers your question im not an expert by any means so I'm taking my best guess but that seems to fit to me.
@@ashtontoler7603 Hmm..... . I'm not either , that is for sure . Have a good one .. Gubs.
That is one sketchy, nasty mine. That is the best ore car I've ever seen though.
If you are still in the mood for ore cars, here's a couple I've seen.
This one for sheer numbers of ore cars:
www.flickr.com/photos/autowitch/161431296/in/album-107460/
This one for the setting:
www.flickr.com/photos/autowitch/161432198/in/album-107460/
Awesome! Thanks for sharing those!
Definitely car, not cart, especially when strung into a train! Imgur isn't cooperating right now, otherwise I'd post a link to a photo I took topside that shows a bunch of ore cars, an EIMCO overshot mucker, and a camelback dumper (see Jory Dion's video on that one). I also have another of a literal mountain of newer ore cars that I took in Fresno last winter when I bought my LHDs. If you want an ore car for a yard ornament or whatever reason, shoot me an email and I'll give you contact information.
It warms my heart to see ore chutes blocked by miners. When they're left open, vein material tends to "rabble" out of the stope and into the drift. In extreme cases, this can block the drift. I've run into this before; in one case it's blocking access to an inclined shaft that leads to recently-dewatered workings last mined in the early 1980s that I'd love to see. That one is likely to require gritting my teeth and bringing a shovel and wheelbarrow, because the rabbled material runs $150+ per ton.
13:26 made me laugh...that stupid "S" symbol we drew all over notebooks and whatnot in middle school. Did anyone ever figure out what it was supposed to be?
15:29 Crist Machinery appears defunct, but Golden Equipment occupies that address now. The page indicates Crist was a Cat dealer, Golden is a Volvo dealer. Wagner is now the Cat dealer for the region; I worked with a few Wagner techs on surface equipment at my (thankfully) old job.
Wow, thank you for all of the additional info and for teaching me a new term (rabbled). Indeed, it does sound as if you'll need to get to digging out that blocked drift... I hope you post a video of what is beyond!
@@TVRExploring Of course! I'm not sure it's a technical term, but it's what's in common use in the district and accurately describes the behavior of stopes that stand open for an extended period of time.
I'll be moving to less than an hour from that mine in the next week or two, and should have time to work on that project a bit. Most likely, I'll have to wheelbarrow ore out the portal and dump it into the bucket of my LHD or a surface loader. If that drift were a foot or two wider, I probably would have mucked it out with the 911 already! If I can get into those workings, there will definitely be video!
There is a distinct possibility of a major ownership shakeup in the district. I'm not giving specifics here because of SEC issues but I'll have some operational control if what could happen, happens. In that case, I'll be starting with some assessment work at a mine we've seen before and possibly moving into exploration and development. Will shoot you an email with more details.
@@Porty1119 Exciting changes in your district!
@@TVRExploring Definitely! I sent you an email with photos and more details.
1970s graffiti exquisitely ~back then everybody knew how to P2P too
Even without the emblem that ore car was it good shape/
Yes, it was!
@@TVRExploring Which begs the question of why it was parked up in that little workshop area?
Any past history or story ?
Not yet... More research is needed. I'll post that in the sequel when we return.
very cool
Is it possible folks remove the wheels to prevent the scum bags steeling the entire cart. Thanks for all you do to share with us. Long live the Orr car.
Awesome cart!!!!!!
the wooden posts of unbarked timbe are just called pit props and when I was little and my area was one great coalfield there were always mountains of the props piled up by railway in pit towns.
This is West Yorkshire and the posts were all claimed to come from Norway as they had huge virgin forests while UK had none.
Once the little thin seam pits were all cosed and only thicker seams wwere being worked with longwall cutters very few pit propes were needed as they ad walking hydraulic roof supports forllowing the coal cutter and panzer.
Panzer because he conveyor steel was suppoosed to come from Germany or was as tough as tank steel.
There is a a preserved long wall mine I have been down and the coal cutter and hydraulic roof jacks is in situ as the moment the last shift stopped work: www.ncm.org.uk/the-experience/opening-later/underground-tours
You may need an interpreter able to translate the local West Yorkshire Broad Yorkshire into American English as we West Yorkshire folk like to maintain our Anglo-Saxon-Jute roots.
I would call them green wood timbers. Marking that they were green wood when installed.
Makes sense... Thank you.
You walked right pass all the gold
Natural timbering
Nice explore guys and a nice minecart/car surprised the souvenir hunters have left that badge in place. looking forward to the return with the rope and other equipment you need.
Thank you. I don't think many souvenir hunters have gotten into this one... There will definitely be a sequel. I'm not sure when, but there will be.
Round timber
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Wat were they mining
Definition of sketchy when looked up.... sends you to this mine video
This was definitely sporty in a few places.
With Very little echo.
Man that is quite the awesome car!
I could be wrong but it looks like the tip locking mechanism is controlled via a footpedal, if so that is certainly unique. Out of the hundreds I have seen that one would be on my top 10 list as well.
Here is my favorite I have seen, documented by Mine Explorers :
ruclips.net/video/AAfUqbWK6Sc/видео.html @ 23:42
LC Trent & Co Engineers Car, in amazing quality with several unique features.
Another contender would be the Improved Matteson Car found by Mines of The West, love the aesthetics
ruclips.net/video/Shbhz25OxYY/видео.html @ 1.13 / 10:52 / 13:01
Pretty cool homemade car crafted from a steel barrel on display at Robson Mining World, shown off by Frank!
ruclips.net/video/AiQwvua7NEo/видео.html @ 5.25
Thanks for documenting these lost relics, information on pre-WW2 ore cars is quite sparce.
Yes, definitely an awesome ore car and, as you pointed out, a very unique one! Thank you for including those links. Those are great examples of great ore cars... I visited that mine with Mines of the West, but the aesthetics in his videos are top notch and are hard to beat!
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yet another mine showing how totally fractured the rock was to start The Flood 4,350 years ago.
EXPEDITION TO SAVE THE ORE CAR! Go back and get it, save it.
top 10...
Rust in peace...
It’s official! Ore car not ore cart..
Kind of hard to argue otherwise after seeing that...
Called logs
Here's some more ore car info. The car you found had a serial #4955 the one in this web page is #6176 a newer one.
www.halslamppost.com/Miscellaneous%20Mining%20Items/slides/Truax%20Ore%20Car%20Tag.html
I know you don't like anyone disturbing the artifacts, and in general, I'm with you on that. That cart on the other hand will never be seen by anyone again and will be destroyed. It would be really nice if it could be saved and donated to a museum. It's not clear if the larger parts could be lowered down and moved via the areas below you.
I'd still leave this one where it is... Regardless, I think it would be EXTREMELY difficult (if not impossible without something on the scale of a military operation) to get out of there.
Great 1897 LA newspaper page with mining and a mention of a Truax Ore Car which was made by a company out of BC Canada and licensed ot be made by others- i.imgur.com/kghcjG2.jpg
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The ore car makers tag is the best we've seen! Are you temped to take it to preserve?
Camando timbering. Just sayin
Why have ore chutes so close to each other? Seems like a lot of work to build one, when they could just haul the ore the extra five feet to the previous chute.
That's a good question.