Well my friend, if Paul said the day of the Lord will NOT come before the man of lawless is revealed, and Jesus himself said AFTER the tribulation, that should settle the matter. And yet, here we are...
It does not say the Lord will Not come before the man of lawless is Reveled. It says the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed. The only things that needs to come first is the falling away, the man of sin is reveled in the tribulation period. ”Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,“ II Thessalonians 2:3 NKJV
@@RobertFurrow People don't consider the "falling away" has already happened. The apostasy isn't Christians who've stop believing. It's society as a whole embracing secularism and becoming a secular/Godless society.
There’s so much going on in this comment section. It’s not a heaven or hell issue for what we believe in concerning pre trib, post trib or no rapture. These people are so religious. It’s truly sad. Calling a brother in Christ a liar all because he believes differently. Sad! Thank you Robert for your videos.
@@LastDaySaintJames I don’t answer to you James. You’re not my God and yes you’re saying whatever you want. Acting like you 💯 know what the truth is concerning this topic and you don’t. You’re going by what you believe and that’s your right. You’re an accuser and that’s where you lose others. And I didn’t answer you because I got no notifications of your comments back to me because I blocked you so I won’t be getting any notifications of your comments any longer.
@@LastDaySaintJames no matter what You believe many true Christians would disagree with You! So therefore You are way out of line! You have decided You have a corner on the word!
Some of those that comment are regular trolls. They can be found on many/most(?) of the similar videos. They sadly post the same pre-formatted, generic, crass comments that have ZERO to do with the videos. Their overriding MO is to attack. They're selective with the facts, & they won't posit a position that includes any exegetical approach to different passages. Continue to pray for them, right? *MARANATHA!*
I’ve always believed in a pre trib rapture but recently I was struggling going from pre wrath, post trib and back to pre trib. This is the video that ended that struggle tho. It is clear to me now. The pretrib position is the only one that makes the most sense. I am a pre trib rapturist and this video helped me end the confusion I had.
@felixgilberto I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench into things, but title of the video says "Matthew 24:29-31", but in the entire video, he never cited verse 29. The very first sentence in verse 29 (KJV) says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." I think that is important if you're trying to take the entirety of context into play. It wouldn't be right to not include that.
This is one of the clearest explanations of the rapture I have ever heard, and I agree with it. I like the thought of being on a truth quest. God Bless.
Something really helped me to understand Matthew 24. When I read it, I asked myself this question: "Who was it written to?" The Jews. "Who was Jesus speaking to?" The Jews. "Was this before or after the cross?" Before. "Was this before or after the church began at Pentecost?" Before. When I understood that, I realized that Jesus was talking about the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Not the rapture of the church.
Thanks J, Jesus is talking to Jewish people but he is answering their question. When will these thing be? and what will be the sign of your coming? most of what he say is after the church age. and He is talking about his second coming and the rapture.
Mark 13:37 states "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Jesus is clearly not limiting it to just the Jews, but for everyone to watch for His coming, which again, happens AFTER the tribulation (Mark 13:24-26). Also, Jesus said in Matthew 28:19-20 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." One of those things that Jesus commanded His disciples was to watch for His coming, which happens AFTER the tribulation and so all nations (Gentiles, who are part of the Church) are to watch for this event also!
I agree that context is important, so with that said, I want to ask the question again, as I want to know your take on the points I just made. Firstly, Why did Jesus say for everyone to watch for His coming, if it's only for the Jewish people? Secondly, when people say that Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 doesn't apply to the Church, how do you reconcile that with the fact that Jesus explicitly commanded His disciples to tell the nations (who are obviously Gentiles and part of the Church age by the time they preach to them and are converted) to observe EVERYTHING that He commanded them, which would by default include the point of watching for Christ's coming AFTER the tribulation. Surely, Jesus would have added a caveat to His command and say "But don't tell them to watch for my coming (as per Matthew 24), as that won't apply to the Church." Jesus was clear in what He said. I really want to know how a pre-tribber would respond to this. Just to let you know, you're my brother in Christ, I love you and want to have an informative conversation about this, as I'm somewhat on the fence when it comes to the issue of the timing of the rapture.
@@eclipsesonic Thank you. With the first passage about Mark. Who is the 'all'? You are saying it is 'all' people. (reading us into it) Clearly the all in context is all of them there who he is talking to -- the 'jew' (for lack of a better term) follower of Him.
@@LastDaySaintJames who said anything about hating the truth! I have several family members that are ministers and pastors! They are ministers in an apostolic organization! So this stuff you are trying get individuals to argue about and the fact that think You know more than anyone else! People are here to listen and learn! I read the Bible through every year and really more than that because I finish my plan early! Read different translations to help me better understand! To me you are trying to stir up trouble! I want no part of arguing with You about anything!
Matthew 24: 31 "gather together his elect" isn't there Gentiles saved during the tribulation? and what does it mean to gather "from one end of HEAVEN to the other?
yes the elect is a reference to Israel that has been protected during the tribulation period, this could be a gathering of Israel from all times. so the statement from one end of HEAVEN to the other fits. It could also just mean gather them from everywhere.
in reading the comments below i think its important to attempt to promote peace, to my fellow christians, i also used to be a pre-tribulation believer and deacon under this doctrine to and until a few years ago would have sworn by it because that's what i was taught to believe, to my fellow christians who don't believe pre-tribulatoin i urge you to remember the goal of being a christian, the goal is not to attack others the goal is to reach others. I get it, when you realize something you've been taught to believe is wrong and you're on fire for that subject its easy to not realize you're attacking them, its also just as easy for them to feel you're attacking them when you're not which usually means our own conscience is attacking us, but i also realize as a former pre-trib believer that when i realized it was scripturally inaccurate, before i could do a 180 i had to first admit and accept i was wrong for most of my life and as a former deacon who also very briefly preached under that doctrine i had to accept an even harder truth that i used to teach it wrong, which i did ignorantly, pre-trib is what i was taught to believe for as long as i could remember and when i first started questioning it i didn't know any other christians that questioned it, at that time i thought all christians believed pre-trib just like the movies because where i'm from thats just what christians believe, it was through studying scripture objectively willing to accept it for what it says, rather that was what i wanted it to say or not without listening to what i was told to believe that i began to see the error in the doctrine, as a former pre-trib believer i can say attacking them won't work, you'll just create an environment where we're trading shots at each other and nobody wins, in martial arts we have a saying for that, bloodshed only brings more bloodshed, revenge only brings more revenge, don't assume that they're all trying to deceive, most of them really believe this and attacking them isn't going to make them want to hear you. speak the truth in what you've learn, endurance not just escape needs to be taught but speak to them as you would want them to speak to you, something i also need to do better at. we shouldn't lose that fire, its better to be hot or cold not lukewarm we just need to learn to direct that fire, self-control which doesnt mean to lose the fire inside, in the book of James he said if a man claims to be religious and bridles not his tongue his religion is vain, practice self-control and they might actually want to hear what we have to say.
Thanks Ninja Warrior, 2 Tim 2:24-25 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,” We should all walk in love and be in it for the truth!
@@RobertFurrow yes i agree with this verse, my purpose is not to fight with christians who believe the same thing i also believed, that would make me a hypocrit, my purpose is put out a message of endurance, not to pointlessly debate and fight, as christians we're called to reach others not attack them if it becomes all about attacking each other then we've lost sight of the gospel.
If you don't believe in Jesus keeping his faithful church from the tribulation that is coming upon the whole world and those who dwell on the earth, please do explain away revelation 3:10 for me, I just can't seem to get myself to not believe Jesus at his word here 😘
A few questions: In 1 Thes 4, who are the saints that will be resurrected? If there is no resurrection in the Jesus' 2nd coming in Matt 24, what is going to happen to the tribulation saints? Will they just be in the ground for a thousand years?
@@RobertFurrowThey are indeed resurrected at the end but there is another very important detail that you’ve overlooked and it’s found at the end of verse 5 in Revelation 20: “This is the first resurrection.” So, the saints who went through the tribulation are part of the FIRST resurrection, which is the same resurrection described in 1 Thessalonians 4.
I know a pastor so is pan trib have you heard this veiw before I'm not pre mid post I'm not a preterist I'm a panist it doesn't matter it will all pan out in the end.is this veiw biblical?
I believe this, John 3:16 Reason is , I'm think like this God knew that men would deceive others so he had to make it simple. I remember the man on the cross that Jesus to remember him. He really didn't have no time to really change his bad ways or his habits.
@@RobertFurrow I'm just a poor white man . I'm not a perfect man I sin ever day I'm only human living in a sin filled world. I always think about the man on the cross when ask Jesus to if he would remember him . & Jesus said " Today, You will be with be me in paradise " he didn't have no time to change his ways of living. May God bless you
Correct Jesus is Gathering Jews here. It is not the rapture just a gathering of the Jews. The rapture has happened prior to the tribulation. Not same event
@@artcarlson3581 thanks for your reply. I honestly don't know that was an event. Can you please help with another question. I believe in the 10 commandments , including the sabbath. And my question is, if people don't follow the sabbath. Are we ro stone people for that.
@@kingdom.citizen Thank you for your question. The 10 commandments were given to the Jews. They are still good laws to live by. One of the goals was to show man just how good he must be and still not qualify for heaven .The Nation Israel was promised to be blessed in the Land if they obeyed his ordinances and to not prosper when they failed. Israel could not keep the ordinances . We as believers have the same problem. Man is unable to even keep mans' laws. The law was a tutor and we could never measure up on our own or to pay for our sins. God sent his son to die to pay the penalty for our sins. A debt we could never pay.. We still follow the 10 commandments however we as born again believers are not under the law because the Law can't save anyone. Jesus paid for all of our sins past present and future. We try to avoid all sin but realize that when we fail he has forgiven us. This is not freedom to sin. We love the lord and want to avoid sinning because of our love. We do not keep the Sabbath because that was for the Jews. We do however traditionally worship on the 1st day of the week Sunday on out calendar. We do not stone anyone and are not commanded to do so. . I know there are some who teach grace plus works but that is legalism. We are saved by Grace alone thru faith alone in Jesus's atoning death on the cross. God Bless You K.C.
@@artcarlson3581 thanks for your reply. And sorry for my bad grammar, I just noticed. Okay, so my next question would be what did jesus mean when he said. "If you love you keep my commandments"? And when he said he didn't come to abolished the law but to fulfill it. This questions honestly have me confused. And you said traditionally we worship on Sunday. But that would mean that w.e day we worship is irrelevant right ? It could be any day of the week.
I’ve come to understand “this generation” in verse 34 as the literal audience Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 24 and the desolation prophecies having to do with the destruction of the temple. With this, it’s hard to see when God gathered his elect (the Jews in this case) from one end of the heavens to the other during that generation. I’d love to hear thoughts on this.
Mr Furrow, your title says "Matthew 24:29-31", but in your entire video, you never cited verse 29. The very first sentence in verse 29 (KJV) says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." I think that is important if you're trying to take the entirety of context into play. It wouldn't be right to not include that.
The problem I have with pre-trib is 2 Thess ch 1 and ch 2. Chapter 1 says we will get rest when the Lord returns and that when He returns He will destroy the unbelievers. i.e. the rapture and Armageddon (The Battle) will happen at the same time. Ch2 Antichrist is destroyed when the Lord returns and ch 1:7 says that's when we will get rest.
Thanks, it is not wise to separate one passage for the rest of what the Bible teaches, they need to be read in context. I will cover this in a future Q&A
I believe the elect in Matt 24 are believers. The 144k in Rev 7 are believers too. Replacement theology is bad theology. God has a plan for the land. I doubt it is for every Jew because Jesus wasn't that friendly with the Sadducees and Pharisees and anyone else that was against Him. My wife and I went to Israel in October 2019. Best trip ever!! Do you believe Luke 17:22-37 is a post-trib or pre-trib event?
Both the king jsmes av 1611 bible and the geneva 1599 bible give 1 Corinthians 15:52 as a cross reference for Matthew 24:31." In the twinkling of an eye"
So in Matthew 24 when the disciples asked for a sign of his coming . Why would Jesus tell them about a coming not intended for the disciples? No where did you read in Matthew 24 the elect are 🇮🇱. Jesus was talking to the disciples not Jews. We know this because it clearly says it was a private teaching for the disciples.3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives,the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” no resurrection mentioned yet it says verse 28-31 that is after the tribulation and we know the 1st resurrection is after the tribulation.
The entire narrative & who He's addressing begins in *Matt **23:37* when Christ is speaking of the *JEWS,* & says, “O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have *gathered* THY CHILDREN together, even as a hen *gathereth* her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!” Many passages point to this "gathering" prophesy that will be fulfilled.
@@Kman.Matthew 23 :1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: From the beginning it's clear Jesus was speaking in general not just the Jews but also his disciples. Verse 37 does not change this fact. Whay changes the context from speaking to that general audience of Multitudes including Jews and his disciples is Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Notice no more multitudes or a general audience just his disciples in private. According to Mark just 4 in particular. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately See how some teachers subvert and twist scriptures to fit a narrative. The elect are those in Christ since the sermon was for the believing Jews called the disciples.
Wow is fully explained. But what it's really confusing here is: Why the angels are gathering the chosen ones? (The Jewish) That verse might mean that the angels are taking people to Heaven. But as far as I know the people who survived the Tribulation (Including the people of Israel) are going to be ruled by Jesus. ( Doing a normal life on Earth). So that verse makes me think that the angels are gathering people to take them to Heaven. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 That's the reason I've always thought Jesus is talking about the Rapture in that verse. 🤔 Cause the ones who are going to be caught up to Heaven is the church before the Tribulation. And that verse can't mean that the angels are automatically gathering the Jewish on earth (In Israel) to be ruled by Jesus. Cause the Book of Isaiah says that people from all around the world are going to take the Jewish to Israel, (On horses, on boat, etc) I'm so new to this topic so I might be misunderstanding everything 😅😭😭😭😭
It will all be fulfilled exactly as is written. No ones interpretation will trump God's word. I think there will be a lot of egg on people's faces who think they have it worked out.
Another example that references a trumpet and a gathering thats not the rapture. Jesus uses the same language because he knew the jews of that time would understand the references. Psalm of Solomon 11: 1-3 Blow ye in Zion on the trumpet to summon the saints, Cause ye to be heard in Jerusalem the voice of him that bringeth good tidings; For God hath had pity on Israel in visiting them. Stand on the height, O Jerusalem, and behold thy children, From the East and the West, gathered together by the Lord; From the North they come in the gladness of their God, From the isles afar off God hath gathered them.
@@LastDaySaintJames we go up and get translated into immortality. This is our Trumpet call to gather together with the Lord. Revelation has Judgement Trumpets, not gathering Trumpet call. The Jews had many Trumpet calls. One was for battle, one was to gather together, and another was to alarm. God also uses them for Judgement
Matthew 24:29-31 says that the elect shall be gathered and meet the Lord Jesus in the air while He is still coming and has not yet set foot on the ground. Verse 44 may also still apply for a Post Tribulation Rapture because we will never know the exact time when the Great Tribulation will start, much more Christ's Second Coming. We will have signs of the general season of the Lord Jesus' return. However, we'll never know the exact day or hour of His appearance as He gathers His elect.
Proof the Church goes through the tribulation. Proof which you did not give anywhere in your video that Mat 24 "the elect" is Israel. Rev 7 So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” "washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" The very definition of a Christian.
The real kicker is 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10. Speaking to Gentile church age Christians, Paul says that they will receive their "rest" when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance. The Day of Vengeance. Isaiah 34:4-8, Revelation 6:12-7:9, Isaiah 61:2, Malachi 4:1-3. There will be people "hidden" on this day. Zephaniah 2:3, Isaiah 26:19-21, Job 14:13. Who is able to stand? Who can endure? Revelation 6:17 Psalm 76:7-12 Nahum 1:6 Malachi 3:2 Joel 2:10-11 Luke 21:36 Revelation 7:9 Innumerable multitude, too many to count. Who are they? They are led by a shepherd. Revelation 7:16-17. John 10 Psalm 23:1 Numbers 27:15-18 1st Kings 3:7-8 Genesis 13:16 Numbers 23:9-10 Hebrews 11:12-16, 12:22-24 Galatians 3:6-7 Romans 9:6-8 Psalm 18:16 "He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters." Many waters Isaiah 17:12-13 Revelation 17:1,15 "Come out of her" Revelation 18:4 Isaiah 52:10-15
The elect are not Israel. The elect are those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Saviour. Paul said that not all Israel are of Israel. So it can't be a national Israel because they are not all believers. Elect always refers to people who are saved.
Thanks, the word elect is used to speak about Israel in Romans and the church. How ever "the Just shall live by Faith" The statment "Not all Israel is of Israel " the totality of the Jewish people are of Israel. means what Jesus said when he told the religious leaders who were Jewish "your are of your father the devil"
@@RobertFurrow 1 Thessalonians 4 & Matthew 24 speak in the same 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Notice both passages have Jesus appearing in the clouds. How can 1 Thessalonians 4 be a resurrection before what scriptures clearly says is the first resurrection in Revelation 20. You seem to not being able to understand there's 1 resurrection nor what "first" means. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Why Paul only mentioned ONE resurrection? Not multiple has you suggest
2 Thessalonian 2 says the coming of the Lord AND our gathering together. That is 1 day 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? Also, John 6 Jesus says 4 times on the last day he raise up those his father has given him. That is his fathers will.
There's only 7 trumpets, the last one is the 7th " COME UP HERE" the dead in Christ first, especially the two churches that were killed in Jerusalem, then we that are alive, this is the mystery of the redemption of purchase possession, Jesus comes with the angels, and in the second coming he comes to destroy the beast with the 144,000.
If the church which is the body of Christ, is raptured before the tribulation and the Jews will be gathered after the tribulation, why would God rapture part of his body and leave the rest of his body to suffer tribulation? For the church is the body of Christ, one body, Jews or Greek, slave or free (1 Corinthians 12:13). What makes the church so special that they will be raptured before the chosen people of God and what makes them superior to the Jews? Romans 11:18 says, “do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.” In response to 6:40 The gathering in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which says “to meet the Lord in the air” is the same in Matthew 24:29-31 “that the Son of man is coming on the clouds of heaven” and the angels are doing the gathering and the elect are getting caught up and meet with Jesus. It did not say that the angels gather them on the ground and meet the Lord on the ground if that what you mean by earth. Just because it doesn't say angels gathering in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 doesn't mean the angels did not gather them and just because it doesn't say the angels blow the trumpet in that same scripture doesn't mean they won't. Who would you say blows the trumpet? Jesus? They have the angels for that. It's like you are implying that the dead rising in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is not the same resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 because they don't have all the details. For Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:9, “For we know in part and we prophesy in part” For if they know in part and prophesy in part, at the time they have those scriptures written they know partially and have not written all the details. In Revelation 14:1-5 we see the 144,000 in heaven before the throne of God and we also see the great multitude in Revelation 7:9-17 also before the throne of God. Where is the church mentioned that they are before the throne of God and in heaven? For it says that the great multitude come out of the great tribulation and you say that the church are raptured before tribulation. It only makes sense that the church is the great multitude and have experienced the great tribulation. Remember that we are Christ's one body, the church. In Revelation 20:4-6 says that the beheaded saints are the first resurrection. If the dead in Christ that rises in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is prior to that resurrection in Rev 20:4-6, then what is the order of that resurrection in 1 Thess 4:13-18? Would you say that is the zero resurrection? It doesn't make sense. 1 Corinthians 15:23 says, “But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.”
*Eph **1:22**,23* "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body..." No believer/part of the body of Christ is left behind @ the rapture. *ONLY* the unsaved are left behind.
No it isnt. Vs 29 n ff after the tribulation Sun will be darkened Moon no light Stars will fall Heavens will be shaken...... 31 send angels to gather His elects.
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" “The sun be darkened”: Such phenomena are a common feature of the Day of the Lord prophecy (see Isa. 13:9-10; Ezek. 32:7-8; Joel 2:10, 31; 3:15; Amos 8:9). The ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies takes place during the time of the Beast’s reign (Rev. 6:12-13; 8:12). Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." “The sign of the Son of man”: I.e., the Son of man Himself is the sign. The events described here precisely parallel the description (in Dan. 7:13; Rev. 19:11-21). “All the tribes of the earth mourn”: I.e., over their own rebellion. Israel in particular, will mourn over their rejection of the Messiah (Zech. 12:10-12). Jesus went to heaven on a cloud, and the angels told the disciples that were looking on, that He will come back the same way He went. Here is the fulfillment of that prophecy. He truly will come back in the clouds. Then He will not be as of one of us, but in Power and Great Glory. This is when we will see Him in all of His heavenly attire. We will know for sure who it is with His eyes like flaming fire, white flowing hair, feet like burning brass. Then He will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Of course, He has always been that, but then we recognize Him as that. Matthew 24:31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." “From one end of heaven to the other”: All the “elect” from heaven and earth are gathered and assembled before Christ. This is the culmination of world history, ushering in the millennial reign of Christ (Rev. 20:4). Verses 32-33: The illustration of the “fig tree” is referred to as a “parable.” The immediate context seems to refer to the fig tree in a natural (not symbolic), sense. While it is clear in Scripture that Israel is symbolized at times by the fig tree (Chapter 21), the usage here simply seems to be that as these events reach the apex of their fulfillment, the actual and ultimate
@@RobertFurrow ok I can’t wait to watch..I still have family who aren’t saved and do not believe in any of the end times things I tell them. I pray for them all the time . I feel if I am raptured they will believe everything so I just wonder about all the things that could happen to them. Thank u!
In response to 4:40, Trumpets refer to the trumpets that will be blown on the whole world which will be blown by the seven angels(Revelation 8:2). God will not confuse you with any other trumpets like the one you are talking about For God is not a God of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33). The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and Matthew 24:31 is one and the same otherwise the trumpet in Matthew 24:31 will be called “the lastest trumpet” since you believe the rapture is before the tribulation. You say “on verse 44 you don't know when the son of man is returning” while it says “because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” We will not know the day and the hour but we know the season from the signs that he told his disciples in Matthew 24. He said he is coming like a thief in the night and we will know when he is coming because we know what is the difference between day and night and we can prepare knowing its almost night time. But when exactly that hour in the night he is coming we do not know. He said “after the tribulation of those days he is coming” but will we exactly know if we are still alive at that time when the end of tribulation is? One would think its just a short break and there is more tribulation coming. Let me ask this, are we in the day now or in the night, are we in the tribulation or not? If you say we are in the night or tribulation then pre-trib rapture theory is proved false. If you say that we are not yet in the tribulation then it is time to be sanctified, purified and made white until the time of the end so that we will be ready for we do not know when we will die. 1 John 3:3 says, “And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.” What we will need most to be ready for is for strengthening ourselves to face the the troubles that Jesus told us in Matthew 24 and what was told in Revelation and for strengthening our faith so that we will not fall away.
@@LastDaySaintJames Bro calm down just because he doesn't think its gonna happen on the same day as you doesn't mean he's of satan. We can agree on 99% of things but you're at our throat for something like this??
@@RobertFurrow you are missing the point of Mathew 24: 29-31, Jesus is not coming thru the clouds twice. Mattew 24: 29 says "Immediately after the tribulation..." It doesnt say before the tribulation
@@onehitwarrior1708 You seem to miss the point. Matt 24 is the 2nd coming. Separate event from the rapture. The Church and the rapture are not the topic of conversation here because the Church and the Rapture were mysteries that were not known or taught by anyone, until Paul wrote about them in his epistles long after the discussion in the mount of Olives private meeting. Not spoken or written of before hand. Could not refer to the Church since the whole topic was about Israel, Jerusalem and primarily local events. Timing is everything my friend.
@@artcarlson3581 the 2nd coming and the rapture are one. The Bible says the antichrist must come first before Jesus returns AND after the tribulation, Jesus will return
@@onehitwarrior1708 The rapture was a mystery that was given to Paul so the Rapture cannot take place before God even spoke to anyone about it. If you don't see this we will be unable to show you truth. Pre-trib also written of by Efriam in the 3rd or 4th century so it could not have been made up by Darby. See for yourself with a simple google search, using pre-tribulation rapture and Efraim in search terms. Jesus will rapture his Church then return to earth after the Tribulation period. THE DARBY JOKE IS NO LONGER TRUE.
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Well my friend, if Paul said the day of the Lord will NOT come before the man of lawless is revealed, and Jesus himself said AFTER the tribulation, that should settle the matter. And yet, here we are...
It does not say the Lord will Not come before the man of lawless is Reveled. It says the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed. The only things that needs to come first is the falling away, the man of sin is reveled in the tribulation period.
”Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,“
II Thessalonians 2:3 NKJV
@@RobertFurrow People don't consider the "falling away" has already happened. The apostasy isn't Christians who've stop believing. It's society as a whole embracing secularism and becoming a secular/Godless society.
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There’s so much going on in this comment section. It’s not a heaven or hell issue for what we believe in concerning pre trib, post trib or no rapture. These people are so religious. It’s truly sad. Calling a brother in Christ a liar all because he believes differently. Sad! Thank you Robert for your videos.
@@LastDaySaintJames You can say whatever you like. You’re under such a religious spirit you call everyone who doesn’t agree with you Liar.
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@@LastDaySaintJames I don’t answer to you James. You’re not my God and yes you’re saying whatever you want. Acting like you 💯 know what the truth is concerning this topic and you don’t. You’re going by what you believe and that’s your right. You’re an accuser and that’s where you lose others. And I didn’t answer you because I got no notifications of your comments back to me because I blocked you so I won’t be getting any notifications of your comments any longer.
@@LastDaySaintJames no matter what You believe many true Christians would disagree with You!
So therefore You are way out of line! You have decided You have a corner on the word!
Some of those that comment are regular trolls. They can be found on many/most(?) of the similar videos. They sadly post the same pre-formatted, generic, crass comments that have ZERO to do with the videos.
Their overriding MO is to attack. They're selective with the facts, & they won't posit a position that includes any exegetical approach to different passages. Continue to pray for them, right? *MARANATHA!*
I’ve always believed in a pre trib rapture but recently I was struggling going from pre wrath, post trib and back to pre trib. This is the video that ended that struggle tho. It is clear to me now. The pretrib position is the only one that makes the most sense. I am a pre trib rapturist and this video helped me end the confusion I had.
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@felixgilberto I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench into things, but title of the video says "Matthew 24:29-31", but in the entire video, he never cited verse 29. The very first sentence in verse 29 (KJV) says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." I think that is important if you're trying to take the entirety of context into play. It wouldn't be right to not include that.
Thank pastor very sound teaching, I am blessed
You are welcome
This is one of the clearest explanations of the rapture I have ever heard, and I agree with it. I like the thought of being on a truth quest. God Bless.
Thank you, you too!
Something really helped me to understand Matthew 24. When I read it, I asked myself this question: "Who was it written to?" The Jews. "Who was Jesus speaking to?" The Jews. "Was this before or after the cross?" Before. "Was this before or after the church began at Pentecost?" Before. When I understood that, I realized that Jesus was talking about the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Not the rapture of the church.
Thanks J, Jesus is talking to Jewish people but he is answering their question. When will these thing be? and what will be the sign of your coming? most of what he say is after the church age. and He is talking about his second coming and the rapture.
Mark 13:37 states "And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Jesus is clearly not limiting it to just the Jews, but for everyone to watch for His coming, which again, happens AFTER the tribulation (Mark 13:24-26). Also, Jesus said in Matthew 28:19-20 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." One of those things that Jesus commanded His disciples was to watch for His coming, which happens AFTER the tribulation and so all nations (Gentiles, who are part of the Church) are to watch for this event also!
@@eclipsesonic Again you have to look at who exactly he is talking to. This was before the cross and the church. Context is important.
I agree that context is important, so with that said, I want to ask the question again, as I want to know your take on the points I just made.
Firstly, Why did Jesus say for everyone to watch for His coming, if it's only for the Jewish people?
Secondly, when people say that Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 doesn't apply to the Church, how do you reconcile that with the fact that Jesus explicitly commanded His disciples to tell the nations (who are obviously Gentiles and part of the Church age by the time they preach to them and are converted) to observe EVERYTHING that He commanded them, which would by default include the point of watching for Christ's coming AFTER the tribulation. Surely, Jesus would have added a caveat to His command and say "But don't tell them to watch for my coming (as per Matthew 24), as that won't apply to the Church." Jesus was clear in what He said.
I really want to know how a pre-tribber would respond to this. Just to let you know, you're my brother in Christ, I love you and want to have an informative conversation about this, as I'm somewhat on the fence when it comes to the issue of the timing of the rapture.
@@eclipsesonic Thank you.
With the first passage about Mark. Who is the 'all'? You are saying it is 'all' people. (reading us into it) Clearly the all in context is all of them there who he is talking to -- the 'jew' (for lack of a better term) follower of Him.
To me this was one of the best explanations I have ever heard! God Bless You Sir! ❤️👍🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank You!
@@LastDaySaintJames who said anything about hating the truth! I have several family members that are ministers and pastors! They are ministers in an apostolic organization!
So this stuff you are trying get individuals to argue about and the fact that think You know more than anyone else! People are here to listen and learn! I read the Bible through every year and really more than that because I finish my plan early! Read different translations to help me better understand! To me you are trying to stir up trouble! I want no part of arguing with You about anything!
@@RobertFurrow this is not the rapture, it is Joel 2:31-32
I recently made a video on this !
Thanks for the clarity.
You're welcome!
Matthew 24: 31 "gather together his elect" isn't there Gentiles saved during the tribulation? and what does it mean to gather "from one end of HEAVEN to the other?
yes the elect is a reference to Israel that has been protected during the tribulation period, this could be a gathering of Israel from all times. so the statement from one end of HEAVEN to the other fits. It could also just mean gather them from everywhere.
@@RobertFurrow Thanks
Great teaching!
This is excellent. Thank you so much.
You're very welcome!
in reading the comments below i think its important to attempt to promote peace, to my fellow christians, i also used to be a pre-tribulation believer and deacon under this doctrine to and until a few years ago would have sworn by it because that's what i was taught to believe, to my fellow christians who don't believe pre-tribulatoin i urge you to remember the goal of being a christian, the goal is not to attack others the goal is to reach others. I get it, when you realize something you've been taught to believe is wrong and you're on fire for that subject its easy to not realize you're attacking them, its also just as easy for them to feel you're attacking them when you're not which usually means our own conscience is attacking us, but i also realize as a former pre-trib believer that when i realized it was scripturally inaccurate, before i could do a 180 i had to first admit and accept i was wrong for most of my life and as a former deacon who also very briefly preached under that doctrine i had to accept an even harder truth that i used to teach it wrong, which i did ignorantly, pre-trib is what i was taught to believe for as long as i could remember and when i first started questioning it i didn't know any other christians that questioned it, at that time i thought all christians believed pre-trib just like the movies because where i'm from thats just what christians believe, it was through studying scripture objectively willing to accept it for what it says, rather that was what i wanted it to say or not without listening to what i was told to believe that i began to see the error in the doctrine, as a former pre-trib believer i can say attacking them won't work, you'll just create an environment where we're trading shots at each other and nobody wins, in martial arts we have a saying for that, bloodshed only brings more bloodshed, revenge only brings more revenge, don't assume that they're all trying to deceive, most of them really believe this and attacking them isn't going to make them want to hear you. speak the truth in what you've learn, endurance not just escape needs to be taught but speak to them as you would want them to speak to you, something i also need to do better at. we shouldn't lose that fire, its better to be hot or cold not lukewarm we just need to learn to direct that fire, self-control which doesnt mean to lose the fire inside, in the book of James he said if a man claims to be religious and bridles not his tongue his religion is vain, practice self-control and they might actually want to hear what we have to say.
Thanks Ninja Warrior, 2 Tim 2:24-25 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,” We should all walk in love and be in it for the truth!
@@RobertFurrow yes i agree with this verse, my purpose is not to fight with christians who believe the same thing i also believed, that would make me a hypocrit, my purpose is put out a message of endurance, not to pointlessly debate and fight, as christians we're called to reach others not attack them if it becomes all about attacking each other then we've lost sight of the gospel.
If you don't believe in Jesus keeping his faithful church from the tribulation that is coming upon the whole world and those who dwell on the earth, please do explain away revelation 3:10 for me, I just can't seem to get myself to not believe Jesus at his word here 😘
Hi Ninjawarrior, after reading your comment, may i ask you the very important question. What do you know believe, since you are no longer pre- trib ?
Thanks a lot Pastor, really blessed
You are welcome
Question : Pastor Robert what is your view on The Book of 1st Enoch ?
Thanks JG I answer in a future Q@A
@@RobertFurrow Thank You.
A few questions:
In 1 Thes 4, who are the saints that will be resurrected?
If there is no resurrection in the Jesus' 2nd coming in Matt 24, what is going to happen to the tribulation saints? Will they just be in the ground for a thousand years?
Thanks, Revelation tells us they are resurrected at the end of the tribulation period.
To be absent from the body is present with the Lord. The dead rise first because they are already in heaven.
@@RobertFurrowThey are indeed resurrected at the end but there is another very important detail that you’ve overlooked and it’s found at the end of verse 5 in Revelation 20: “This is the first resurrection.” So, the saints who went through the tribulation are part of the FIRST resurrection, which is the same resurrection described in 1 Thessalonians 4.
I know a pastor so is pan trib have you heard this veiw before I'm not pre mid post I'm not a preterist I'm a panist it doesn't matter it will all pan out in the end.is this veiw biblical?
lol, Thanks Jari, yes I have heard of that
I believe this,
John 3:16 Reason is ,
I'm think like this God knew that men would deceive others so he had to make it simple. I remember the man on the cross that Jesus to remember him. He really didn't have no time to really change his bad ways or his habits.
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@@RobertFurrow I'm just a poor white man . I'm not a perfect man I sin ever day I'm only human living in a sin filled world. I always think about the man on the cross when ask Jesus to if he would remember him . & Jesus said " Today, You will be with be me in paradise " he didn't have no time to change his ways of living. May God bless you
That you Pastor Robert for this comparison of these passages. God Bless
Thank you
I have a question why In verse 29. It says after the tribulation God will gather his elect? Not before? Help any one ?
Thanks Kingdom Citizen, this video answers that question
Correct Jesus is Gathering Jews here. It is not the rapture just a gathering of the Jews. The rapture has happened prior to the tribulation. Not same event
@@artcarlson3581 thanks for your reply. I honestly don't know that was an event. Can you please help with another question. I believe in the 10 commandments
, including the sabbath. And my question is, if people don't follow the sabbath. Are we ro stone people for that.
@@kingdom.citizen Thank you for your question. The 10 commandments were given to the Jews. They are still good laws to live by. One of the goals was to show man just how good he must be and still not qualify for heaven .The Nation Israel was promised to be blessed in the Land if they obeyed his ordinances and to not prosper when they failed. Israel could not keep the ordinances . We as believers have the same problem. Man is unable to even keep mans' laws. The law was a tutor and we could never measure up on our own or to pay for our sins. God sent his son to die to pay the penalty for our sins. A debt we could never pay.. We still follow the 10 commandments however we as born again believers are not under the law because the Law can't save anyone. Jesus paid for all of our sins past present and future. We try to avoid all sin but realize that when we fail he has forgiven us. This is not freedom to sin. We love the lord and want to avoid sinning because of our love. We do not keep the Sabbath because that was for the Jews. We do however traditionally worship on the 1st day of the week Sunday on out calendar. We do not stone anyone and are not commanded to do so. . I know there are some who teach grace plus works but that is legalism. We are saved by Grace alone thru faith alone in Jesus's atoning death on the cross. God Bless You K.C.
@@artcarlson3581 thanks for your reply. And sorry for my bad grammar, I just noticed. Okay, so my next question would be what did jesus mean when he said. "If you love you keep my commandments"? And when he said he didn't come to abolished the law but to fulfill it. This questions honestly have me confused. And you said traditionally we worship on Sunday. But that would mean that w.e day we worship is irrelevant right ? It could be any day of the week.
Thank you
You're welcome
I’ve come to understand “this generation” in verse 34 as the literal audience Jesus was speaking to in Matthew 24 and the desolation prophecies having to do with the destruction of the temple. With this, it’s hard to see when God gathered his elect (the Jews in this case) from one end of the heavens to the other during that generation. I’d love to hear thoughts on this.
Thanks Harrison, yes I have heard this as well, however Jesus has a Globel context in Matthew 24
Mr Furrow, your title says "Matthew 24:29-31", but in your entire video, you never cited verse 29. The very first sentence in verse 29 (KJV) says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." I think that is important if you're trying to take the entirety of context into play. It wouldn't be right to not include that.
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The problem I have with pre-trib is 2 Thess ch 1 and ch 2. Chapter 1 says we will get rest when the Lord returns and that when He returns He will destroy the unbelievers. i.e. the rapture and Armageddon (The Battle) will happen at the same time. Ch2 Antichrist is destroyed when the Lord returns and ch 1:7 says that's when we will get rest.
Thanks, it is not wise to separate one passage for the rest of what the Bible teaches, they need to be read in context. I will cover this in a future Q&A
I agree with you. That Matthew:24 isn't about the rapture.
Amen
Can someone explain 29 vs 38 in Matthew 24?
I do that in this video
I believe the elect in Matt 24 are believers. The 144k in Rev 7 are believers too. Replacement theology is bad theology. God has a plan for the land. I doubt it is for every Jew because Jesus wasn't that friendly with the Sadducees and Pharisees and anyone else that was against Him. My wife and I went to Israel in October 2019. Best trip ever!!
Do you believe Luke 17:22-37 is a post-trib or pre-trib event?
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Caught up!
Maranatha!
Maranatha!
Both the king jsmes av 1611 bible and the geneva 1599 bible give 1 Corinthians 15:52 as a cross reference for Matthew 24:31." In the twinkling of an eye"
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So in Matthew 24 when the disciples asked for a sign of his coming . Why would Jesus tell them about a coming not intended for the disciples? No where did you read in Matthew 24 the elect are 🇮🇱. Jesus was talking to the disciples not Jews. We know this because it clearly says it was a private teaching for the disciples.3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives,the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” no resurrection mentioned yet it says verse 28-31 that is after the tribulation and we know the 1st resurrection is after the tribulation.
Thanks, Jesus and the disciples are Jews.
@@RobertFurrow Yes Jews founders in Christ. The elect according to all epistles are those Jews in Christ.
The entire narrative & who He's addressing begins in *Matt **23:37* when Christ is speaking of the *JEWS,* & says, “O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have *gathered* THY CHILDREN together, even as a hen *gathereth* her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!” Many passages point to this "gathering" prophesy that will be fulfilled.
@@Kman.Matthew 23 :1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
From the beginning it's clear Jesus was speaking in general not just the Jews but also his disciples. Verse 37 does not change this fact. Whay changes the context from speaking to that general audience of Multitudes including Jews and his disciples is Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Notice no more multitudes or a general audience just his disciples in private. According to Mark just 4 in particular.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately
See how some teachers subvert and twist scriptures to fit a narrative. The elect are those in Christ since the sermon was for the believing Jews called the disciples.
Wow is fully explained. But what it's really confusing here is:
Why the angels are gathering the chosen ones? (The Jewish) That verse might mean that the angels are taking people to Heaven.
But as far as I know the people who survived the Tribulation (Including the people of Israel) are going to be ruled by Jesus. ( Doing a normal life on Earth). So that verse makes me think that the angels are gathering people to take them to Heaven. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
That's the reason I've always thought Jesus is talking about the Rapture in that verse. 🤔 Cause the ones who are going to be caught up to Heaven is the church before the Tribulation.
And that verse can't mean that the angels are automatically gathering the Jewish on earth (In Israel) to be ruled by Jesus. Cause the Book of Isaiah says that people from all around the world are going to take the Jewish to Israel, (On horses, on boat, etc)
I'm so new to this topic so I might be misunderstanding everything 😅😭😭😭😭
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Why missed verses 29 and 30
Thanks, you have a point
It will all be fulfilled exactly as is written. No ones interpretation will trump God's word. I think there will be a lot of egg on people's faces who think they have it worked out.
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Another example that references a trumpet and a gathering thats not the rapture. Jesus uses the same language because he knew the jews of that time would understand the references.
Psalm of Solomon 11: 1-3
Blow ye in Zion on the trumpet to summon the saints,
Cause ye to be heard in Jerusalem the voice of him that bringeth good tidings;
For God hath had pity on Israel in visiting them.
Stand on the height, O Jerusalem, and behold thy children,
From the East and the West, gathered together by the Lord;
From the North they come in the gladness of their God,
From the isles afar off God hath gathered them.
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Can't wait to hear that shout from Christ!
Right
@@LastDaySaintJames no it doesn't
@@LastDaySaintJames the Rapture is a MYSTERY ONLY GIVEN TO PAUL! If you post Rapture stuff without using Paul's letters,I reject you instantly
@@LastDaySaintJames we go up and get translated into immortality. This is our Trumpet call to gather together with the Lord. Revelation has Judgement Trumpets, not gathering Trumpet call. The Jews had many Trumpet calls. One was for battle, one was to gather together, and another was to alarm. God also uses them for Judgement
@@LastDaySaintJames Paul wrote Romans - Philemon and most likely he authored Hebrews. The Rapture is Only Paul.
Matthew 24:29-31 says that the elect shall be gathered and meet the Lord Jesus in the air while He is still coming and has not yet set foot on the ground. Verse 44 may also still apply for a Post Tribulation Rapture because we will never know the exact time when the Great Tribulation will start, much more Christ's Second Coming. We will have signs of the general season of the Lord Jesus' return. However, we'll never know the exact day or hour of His appearance as He gathers His elect.
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@@RobertFurrow I too am in search for truth regarding this matter. This link might be of help...
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Proof the Church goes through the tribulation. Proof which you did not give anywhere in your video that Mat 24 "the elect" is Israel.
Rev 7
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [c]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
"washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" The very definition of a Christian.
Thanks James, I agree with you. Israel will all be saved Romans 11, and some will be saved after the rapture of the church
There are two raptures. 1 thes is for the bride before tribulation the. For the saints at end of tribulation
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The real kicker is 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10. Speaking to Gentile church age Christians, Paul says that they will receive their "rest" when Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance. The Day of Vengeance. Isaiah 34:4-8, Revelation 6:12-7:9, Isaiah 61:2, Malachi 4:1-3.
There will be people "hidden" on this day. Zephaniah 2:3, Isaiah 26:19-21, Job 14:13.
Who is able to stand? Who can endure?
Revelation 6:17
Psalm 76:7-12
Nahum 1:6
Malachi 3:2
Joel 2:10-11
Luke 21:36
Revelation 7:9
Innumerable multitude, too many to count. Who are they? They are led by a shepherd. Revelation 7:16-17.
John 10
Psalm 23:1
Numbers 27:15-18
1st Kings 3:7-8
Genesis 13:16
Numbers 23:9-10
Hebrews 11:12-16, 12:22-24
Galatians 3:6-7
Romans 9:6-8
Psalm 18:16
"He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters."
Many waters
Isaiah 17:12-13
Revelation 17:1,15
"Come out of her"
Revelation 18:4
Isaiah 52:10-15
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The elect are not Israel.
The elect are those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Saviour.
Paul said that not all Israel are of Israel.
So it can't be a national Israel because they are not all believers.
Elect always refers to people who are saved.
Thanks, the word elect is used to speak about Israel in Romans and the church. How ever "the Just shall live by Faith" The statment "Not all Israel is of Israel " the totality of the Jewish people are of Israel. means what Jesus said when he told the religious leaders who were Jewish "your are of your father the devil"
Rapter reddy blessed hope
Amen
@@RobertFurrow 1 Thessalonians 4 & Matthew 24 speak in the same 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Notice both passages have Jesus appearing in the clouds. How can 1 Thessalonians 4 be a resurrection before what scriptures clearly says is the first resurrection in Revelation 20. You seem to not being able to understand there's 1 resurrection nor what "first" means.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Why Paul only mentioned ONE resurrection? Not multiple has you suggest
2 Thessalonian 2 says the coming of the Lord AND our gathering together. That is 1 day 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Also, John 6 Jesus says 4 times on the last day he raise up those his father has given him. That is his fathers will.
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There's only 7 trumpets, the last one is the 7th " COME UP HERE" the dead in Christ first, especially the two churches that were killed in Jerusalem, then we that are alive, this is the mystery of the redemption of purchase possession, Jesus comes with the angels, and in the second coming he comes to destroy the beast with the 144,000.
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Israel is not the elect. Non-messianic Jews are not part of the church/Israel. Matthew 24 clearly refers to the rapture.
No it doesn't lol
@@RobertFurrow Reread Matthew 24. It is unambiguously referring to the rapture.
@@RobertFurrow People who twist the words of the Gospels to suit their own agendas are doing the will of Satan.
In response to 6:14
If the church which is the body of Christ, is raptured before the tribulation and the Jews will be gathered after the tribulation, why would God rapture part of his body and leave the rest of his body to suffer tribulation? For the church is the body of Christ, one body, Jews or Greek, slave or free (1 Corinthians 12:13).
What makes the church so special that they will be raptured before the chosen people of God and what makes them superior to the Jews? Romans 11:18 says,
“do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.”
In response to 6:40
The gathering in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 which says “to meet the Lord in the air” is the same in Matthew 24:29-31 “that the Son of man is coming on the clouds of heaven” and the angels are doing the gathering and the elect are getting caught up and meet with Jesus. It did not say that the angels gather them on the ground and meet the Lord on the ground if that what you mean by earth. Just because it doesn't say angels gathering in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 doesn't mean the angels did not gather them and just because it doesn't say the angels blow the trumpet in that same scripture doesn't mean they won't. Who would you say blows the trumpet? Jesus? They have the angels for that. It's like you are implying that the dead rising in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is not the same resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:50-52 because they don't have all the details. For Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:9,
“For we know in part and we prophesy in part”
For if they know in part and prophesy in part, at the time they have those scriptures written they know partially and have not written all the details.
In Revelation 14:1-5 we see the 144,000 in heaven before the throne of God and we also see the great multitude in Revelation 7:9-17 also before the throne of God. Where is the church mentioned that they are before the throne of God and in heaven? For it says that the great multitude come out of the great tribulation and you say that the church are raptured before tribulation. It only makes sense that the church is the great multitude and have experienced the great tribulation. Remember that we are Christ's one body, the church.
In Revelation 20:4-6 says that the beheaded saints are the first resurrection. If the dead in Christ that rises in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is prior to that resurrection in Rev 20:4-6, then what is the order of that resurrection in 1 Thess 4:13-18? Would you say that is the zero resurrection? It doesn't make sense. 1 Corinthians 15:23 says,
“But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.”
Thanks Reilyle, I have a video coming out next week on why replacement theology is not true.
*Eph **1:22**,23* "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body..."
No believer/part of the body of Christ is left behind @ the rapture. *ONLY* the unsaved are left behind.
@@LastDaySaintJames You need to learn to love Christians. It should be your first goal. Yes pretrib is false.
The Bible does not teach a pre tribulation Rapture!
Yes it does
No it isnt. Vs 29 n ff after the tribulation
Sun will be darkened
Moon no light
Stars will fall
Heavens will be shaken......
31 send angels to gather His elects.
It happens after the tribulation
NOT THE GREAT TRIBULATION
thats a different story
Paul's writings came later and he's telling people to trust government and ruling bodies, the same ones who hand out the mark of the b3ast
Thanks
@@RobertFurrow do you believe the jabs are the mark?
Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
“The sun be darkened”: Such phenomena are a common feature of the Day of the Lord prophecy (see Isa. 13:9-10; Ezek. 32:7-8; Joel 2:10, 31; 3:15; Amos 8:9). The ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies takes place during the time of the Beast’s reign (Rev. 6:12-13; 8:12).
Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
“The sign of the Son of man”: I.e., the Son of man Himself is the sign. The events described here precisely parallel the description (in Dan. 7:13; Rev. 19:11-21).
“All the tribes of the earth mourn”: I.e., over their own rebellion. Israel in particular, will mourn over their rejection of the Messiah (Zech. 12:10-12).
Jesus went to heaven on a cloud, and the angels told the disciples that were looking on, that He will come back the same way He went. Here is the fulfillment of that prophecy. He truly will come back in the clouds. Then He will not be as of one of us, but in Power and Great Glory. This is when we will see Him in all of His heavenly attire.
We will know for sure who it is with His eyes like flaming fire, white flowing hair, feet like burning brass. Then He will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Of course, He has always been that, but then we recognize Him as that.
Matthew 24:31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
“From one end of heaven to the other”: All the “elect” from heaven and earth are gathered and assembled before Christ. This is the culmination of world history, ushering in the millennial reign of Christ (Rev. 20:4).
Verses 32-33: The illustration of the “fig tree” is referred to as a “parable.” The immediate context seems to refer to the fig tree in a natural (not symbolic), sense. While it is clear in Scripture that Israel is symbolized at times by the fig tree (Chapter 21), the usage here simply seems to be that as these events reach the apex of their fulfillment, the actual and ultimate
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Will people other the Jews populate the Earth for the 1000 years??
The short answer is yes, I will cover this in our nest midweek study in the book of revelation chapter 20:4-6
@@RobertFurrow ok I can’t wait to watch..I still have family who aren’t saved and do not believe in any of the end times things I tell them. I pray for them all the time . I feel if I am raptured they will believe everything so I just wonder about all the things that could happen to them. Thank u!
Mat 24 not for Christians.
Yes it is! lol
In response to 4:40, Trumpets refer to the trumpets that will be blown on the whole world which will be blown by the seven angels(Revelation 8:2). God will not confuse you with any other trumpets like the one you are talking about For God is not a God of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33). The last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and Matthew 24:31 is one and the same otherwise the trumpet in Matthew 24:31 will be called “the lastest trumpet” since you believe the rapture is before the tribulation.
You say “on verse 44 you don't know when the son of man is returning” while it says “because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” We will not know the day and the hour but we know the season from the signs that he told his disciples in Matthew 24. He said he is coming like a thief in the night and we will know when he is coming because we know what is the difference between day and night and we can prepare knowing its almost night time. But when exactly that hour in the night he is coming we do not know. He said “after the tribulation of those days he is coming” but will we exactly know if we are still alive at that time when the end of tribulation is? One would think its just a short break and there is more tribulation coming.
Let me ask this, are we in the day now or in the night, are we in the tribulation or not?
If you say we are in the night or tribulation then pre-trib rapture theory is proved false.
If you say that we are not yet in the tribulation then it is time to be sanctified, purified and made white until the time of the end so that we will be ready for we do not know when we will die. 1 John 3:3 says,
“And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.”
What we will need most to be ready for is for strengthening ourselves to face the the troubles that Jesus told us in Matthew 24 and what was told in Revelation and for strengthening our faith so that we will not fall away.
Thanks again, There is no reason for us to think these passages are talking about one trumpet. I do have a video coming out about, the last trumpet.
@@LastDaySaintJames Bro calm down just because he doesn't think its gonna happen on the same day as you doesn't mean he's of satan. We can agree on 99% of things but you're at our throat for something like this??
And the elect there is israel you say without proving this at all.
Thanks Willy, Jeremiah 30:7
Pre tribulation is not in the Bible. The only verses that reefer to the rapture is post tribulation
Thanks OneHit Warrior1, We obviously disagree on this, but agree on so much more than we disagree on.
@@RobertFurrow you are missing the point of Mathew 24: 29-31, Jesus is not coming thru the clouds twice. Mattew 24: 29 says "Immediately after the tribulation..." It doesnt say before the tribulation
@@onehitwarrior1708 You seem to miss the point. Matt 24 is the 2nd coming. Separate event from the rapture. The Church and the rapture are not the topic of conversation here because the Church and the Rapture were mysteries that were not known or taught by anyone, until Paul wrote about them in his epistles long after the discussion in the mount of Olives private meeting. Not spoken or written of before hand. Could not refer to the Church since the whole topic was about Israel, Jerusalem and primarily local events. Timing is everything my friend.
@@artcarlson3581 the 2nd coming and the rapture are one. The Bible says the antichrist must come first before Jesus returns AND after the tribulation, Jesus will return
@@onehitwarrior1708 The rapture was a mystery that was given to Paul so the Rapture cannot take place before God even spoke to anyone about it. If you don't see this we will be unable to show you truth. Pre-trib also written of by Efriam in the 3rd or 4th century so it could not have been made up by Darby. See for yourself with a simple google search, using pre-tribulation rapture and Efraim in search terms. Jesus will rapture his Church then return to earth after the Tribulation period. THE DARBY JOKE IS NO LONGER TRUE.