Should Porn Be Banned? - Lila Rose
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Lila Rose is the President and Founder of LiveAction, a pro-life non-profit organisation. She speaks internationally on family and cultural issues and is well known for her investigative reporting on the abortion industry. She is the host of the Lila Rose Podcast and the author of ‘Fighting for Life: Becoming a Force for Change in a Wounded World’ - available here: www.amazon.com/dp/1400219876/
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00:00 Introduction
00:31 Relationships Between Men & Women
04:40 Do Men Understand Control in Relationships?
08:26 Effects of the Fatherhood Vacuum
09:20 Cycles of Brokenness: Financial Implications
12:20 Structural Issues Dividing Men & Women
16:42 Career vs Reproduction
20:24 Harvard Happiness Study
21:21 Transactional Relationships
24:38 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
26:06 A Culture That Celebrates Divorce
28:00 Is Porn Polluting Relationships?
33:49 Empowerment Through Bodily Autonomy
40:28 Porn Addiction
41:52 Would Banning Porn Create a Black Market?
48:58 Practicality vs Morality
56:25 Does Access to Porn Reduce Levels of Sexual Assault?
1:00:56 How Did Family Values Become Politically One-sided?
1:03:25 How Do We Break the Cycle?
1:07:32 What's The One Thing We're Not Talking About?
WATCH the rest of the interview and hear *Lila* answer audience questions.
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Introduction
00:31 Relationships Between Men & Women
04:40 Do Men Understand Control in Relationships?
08:26 Effects of the Fatherhood Vacuum
09:20 Cycles of Brokenness: Financial Implications
12:20 Structural Issues Dividing Men & Women
16:42 Career vs Reproduction
20:24 Harvard Happiness Study
21:21 Transactional Relationships
24:38 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
26:06 A Culture That Celebrates Divorce
28:00 Is Porn Polluting Relationships?
33:49 Empowerment Through Bodily Autonomy
40:28 Porn Addiction
41:52 Would Banning Porn Create a Black Market?
48:58 Practicality vs Morality
56:25 Does Access to Porn Reduce Levels of Sexual Assault?
1:00:56 How Did Family Values Become Politically One-sided?
1:03:25 How Do We Break the Cycle?
1:07:32 What's The One Thing We're Not Talking About?
Great show! Thanks for have Rose as a guest.
I re-watched ‘sex in the city’ recently. Throgh the lense of today , and as a mom of 4 today, they are all so screamingly sad, shallow, empty figures…
Sex AND the City. Unless you were watching a porno.
That's because they are New Yorkers.
@@brockreynolds870 That entire show was created and written by gay men, so of course the relationships and characters are shallow
Um, watch nearly any show from a few years ago and it's the same. How about nearly all old movies, and most new movies?
Even “That Girl” taught girls/women to aspire to living alone in the city. Marlo Thomas refused to let her character get married, yet she enjoyed a nice and long marriage herself (still enjoying).
As someone who grew up without a father, only with my mom and aunties, i must say that it has been difficult for me to find the right partner because I grew up not seeing and not having a good male role model around.
I think this is why having a good father is important because for a daughter, that dad will set the standard and for a son, that dad will be the best example.
My parents separated, but my dad was solid. I think you're right.
He was a good man, a hard worker, and honest. I've always expected the same from anyone I know.
Having a dad is no guarantee of a good example..it's easy to fantasize about what may have been...it's not necessarily realistic..would be nice,ideal even but the opposite could be true. I suppose if one had a looser or abusive dad at least one could hate him
Probably what would most likely happen would be you wouldn’t have a loser dad or an ideal dad, you would have a regular man, doing his best and sometimes failing or making mistakes, just like all human beings. I think men and women are starting to think if I don’t have the “ideal” it’s not worth it. I have been happily married for 27 years, neither me or my husband are flawless, we have strengths and weaknesses, we have had to learn to be patient and understanding of each other, to forgive and ask for forgiveness. Just a regular marriage between two non-perfect people ( who aren’t abusive) is enough to show kids that a marriage is worth building and worth fighting for and your children with not only have parents but their children will have grandparents who are stable and stay together. I think the greatest gift we have given our young adult children is two parents who have decided to be together and are happy to do so.
As someone who grew up without a mother. My father did a good job with me and my sisters. No help from family at all. I've been married 16yrs and my sister, longer. My other sister travels the world...Single fathers do so much better job raising children...I couldn't imagine what it would be like not having a father? Not having a mother wasn't an issue...
@@Stonezster Well if I’d been raised only by my Dad I would have had had a shit time of things. Much of this is irrelevant to the sex of the parent and has everything to do with their ability as a parent. I personnally think that you’re better off having one good parent than two shit ones but I think this rhetoric of "men do it better" or "women do if better" isn’t productive and is, in fact, nefarious.
The denigration of motherhood and hatred of children is beyond tragic.
Yup and women have done it all to themselves! Which is why men are going their own way...
Was motherhood ever respected to begin with? Some people make a fuss about young women not wanting to become mothers quickly or at all but why would they though? Motherhood was nothing special even before that ultra/extreme feminist turn when it comes to societal perception. Motherhood wasn't given the respect it deserved. It was taken for granted. We cannot expect different outcomes from next generations when all people truly cared and care about is "bringing money to the table". Who earns money, earns respect. These next generations of women observed and adapted.
@@Ehrill942 That is ridicules! The only thing you can do better than a man is have babies. And you can't even do that can you? How many abortions is it now? Women today are a disgrace! Without children, you're nothing!
Majority of people, women and men actually respect motherhood. Think what's extremely Arrogant of her is the entire she thinks XY is morally wrong therefore that makes it fine to make outright illegal
@@Ehrill942I respected my mother. I think a lot of people who were blessed to have both parents growing up respected and appreciated their parents. Motherhood has always been exceptionally beautiful and unique. Like growing and feeding a person with your body?! 🤯 Yeah it’s natural but it’s still wild. I agree we can’t expect future generations to think differently UNLESS we start with ourselves. If we can learn to respect mothers and spread that view it can be a positive change.
My sister-in-law talks down to our mother-in-law cos she was a stay-at-home mom. Like she didn't accomplish anything. But her sons are both successful. And all of us have a stable happy marriage and mentally strong children.
I'm not saying a single mom can't build that but I appreciate the stability she brought in my life.
If you ask me, it sounds like your mother-in-law had the opportunity to live a singularly successful life. But somehow, by seemingly almost miraculous means, managed to create at least three successful lives instead of just the one.
I dated someone whose mum was able not to work. I was respectful, it used to irritate me as she used to portray herself as an absolute genius and no one has ever been such a good mum before. She had a cleaner, drove a car and lived a very comfortable life. The funniest part, she was the one teaching young women how to be good mums when they struggled to work, have a family etc. that's what I disliked and actually wanted to talk down to her, she needed a reality check. Without a good husband, she would have been struggling. I have never heard her compliment her partner.
"The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state."
-Tacitus
Amen
Yep. There are two paths to lawlessness and anarchy: (1) Too few laws (thus making most things legal), and (2) too many laws (thus making the body of law unknowable, unenforceable, and exploitable by oppressive authorities because everyone is guilty of something).
And the reason that there are more laws is because human beings are intrinsically sinful. That is, in the absence of an external governing/regulating force/entity, a human being will always override the interest of another to the interest of themselves or of those who they have an interest in.
The state inevitably is corrupt because it is composed of sinful human beings who intrinsically are corrupt.
There is one, and ONLY one, exception to corruption/sinfulness among human beings. With ALL others who have ever lived, are living, and will live, it is only a matter of degree of corruptness/sinfulness.
In other words, except for one human being, there is NONE who is NOT corrupt. And an intrinsic tragedy of the corruption of the mind is if I, first, cant recognize and, then, acknowledge this fact.
so, we should probably put our laws into things that are needed like porn, and far fewer laws regulating commerce... that's the far more profitable corruption.
@@daveatkinson1042 No, laws should cover where there are victims. Consensual acts among adults are, by definition, victimless. And besides, porn IS commerce. Just like gambling, liquor, fast food, and a whole bunch of other things that are unhealthy to some, but we accept as part of a free society.
We're at the point where schools are teaching "porn literacy" because it's so inevitable that they'll come across it, the way we think about porn needs to change drastically.
Parents should teach porn literacy. Schools should have nothing to do with our children's intimate lives.
You can educate kids on the sex ed without having to teach porn. Her entire approach only worsens the situation. She talks as if she's morally superior to any and all people simply cause she abstains from porn. That only hurts her goal
schools have to teach kids things because parents today are useless and want to shift as much responsibility elsewhere. Number 1 parents on Instagram only.
@@Crest28when you state that you are against slavery, do you claim yourself to be morally superior? this is a talk about the exploitation and sex trafficking of children. hello?
@@anabsanchez14 no one endorses child trafficking. You can be an advocate for adult workers while also being against trafficking. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. And the logic that banning porn entirely will help us terribly flawed. That gives all the power to criminals.
I'm going on 5 1/2 years of being married. We both learned the hard lesson of what marriage truly is over the 1st and 2nd year. We learned to move past our selves and focus on the whole. Now we are stronger in all areas of our lives than we ever have been, we are always learning but we know marriage is a choice by us and we work at things every day. It's quite the growing up experience and now I see what our country lacks right now.
So she convinced you not to ask for sex anymore?
lmao, did you watch the episode?
I'm so glad for you that you are both real partners in your relationship.
@@LordZombieZanetta I didn't, because the entire premise is silly beyond words.
@@barnabybot spoken like a true incel
Years ago, I worked for a technical company and I was a mid-level HR professional. There was a woman there who had worked hard and became the Accounting Director. One time when talking to her, she told me that she wished she had spent more time with her children. That this all came at the cost of being not the kind of mother she had now wished she had been. And I think this is as true now as it has always been. At the time I did not have any children. When I had two children, I quit my professional job and became a full time mother and I have never regretted that. A career will never fulfill you the way being a mother will. I understood this when my two children were 2 and 3 and I was sitting in yet another meeting that took up most of my days, and I felt an overwhelming sense of "who cares?" The most empowered I had ever felt was watching my child grow just from my breast milk. That was empowering not any job or position I have ever held!
One of the early Feminists once said that women needed to be forced into the work place and to be Feminists because she believed that most women would stay home and be mothers if given the choice. (I'm paraphrasing)
We did great damage to ourselves as a nation when we decide that shame was a bad thing.
Shame is just like the pain you feel when you touch a hot stove. It is something that is vital to our lives even though we don't ever want to experience it.
YES
Guilt is good, shame is bad once the reason for guilt has been addressed.
the main thing about shame is people don't understand how to process it and so the obvious solution to the ignorant is to rationalize a way out of the feeling, ignore it, or simply spin perception that its not actually a shameful thing, whatever it may be. part of the pressure is people performing the role that drives the ignorant to do this by shaming them rather than allowing the person to shame themselves, if people are without this distraction they can process it basically. of course the only way a sex worker can learn this is if the clients shame themselves into maturity and she goes broke.
part of me thinks this is possible and is part of the evolution of the human soul, that there is more we can do if only we could grow up
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I think she is right about the effects of many of these things, but the change must come from family, culture, etc., and not bans. That said, more controls, particularly for children, are merited.
You know some kids are dragged-up by scum & not nurtured in any way whatsoever?!
I think a ban is a good idea because I don’t think it’s actually possible to truly “ban” it and instead just have it be something that is too difficult or complicated for kids to locate easily.
So we shouldn't stop people using vehicles or alcohol without a license????
Prohibition is the only thing that will finally work. Everything else is cope..
Would liberal family/culture ever come around to the idea that abortion is evil? I don’t think so. That’s why a ban is necessary for abortion, and for porn too
fantastic to see how they deconstruct her weak arguments in a totally calm, polite and rational way
Ol girl kinda crazy
The argument against prohibition is that it gives financial incentives to criminals. It drives up the price when things are illegal.
Both points you make are true. But prohibition also reduces access which in turn reduces use. Never has there been less alcohol abuse than during the Prohibition era. So acknowledging the downside to prohibition, we have to ask ourselves which downside/upside is preferrable.
Also, we have a very Hollywood'ized picture of what the Prohibition era actually was. Imagine when people 100 yrs from now watch movies of this day and age. They'll think everyone carried guns, shot people in the street because they got ketchup instead of mustard, and everyone wore superhero jumpsuits. The Prohibition era wasn't even close to the "Gangs roamed every street and everyone was still an alcoholic" idea of history the movies make us think it was.
I dont want my kids growing up and watching porn....I don't want them thinking a plumber will show when called.
No kidding. Talk about unrealistic expectations. They NEVER deliver pizza with extra sausage free of charge.
@@kev3d and a healthcare professional has never shown that level of concern when I have told her I have an ache that only she can help me with..
Or a door to door mattress salesman.
Plumber?!? Modern porn is step dad, step mom, trans, extreme as possible, violence etc... They push the most degenerate garbage possible even if it doesn’t get views. They put that stuff on the front page with goals in mind. Look up the things the creators of porn had as goals when creating and pushing porn. They viewed porn as an attack on traditional relationships/families and Christianity,
Your last sentence makes no sense. What do you really mean?
I love that you both had Lila and you support GiveSendGo. Bless you both.
This was my second TRIGGERnometry video. You guys are amazing. This was a good interview. Clearly, you did not agree with everything she said, yet you produced a video that allowed her to express her point of view. That is so rare and so valuable.
The first clip of the guy on the podcast: His back was to her the whole time. He couldn’t even make eye contact with her because she was the more intelligent, emotionally controlled individual.
Can they just make it a bit more realistic?
My neighbour hasn’t come round to borrow some sugar in 17 years, estate agents only screw me metaphorically and I just want my cleaner to clean.
I know right? My hot maid almost never gets stuck under the coffee table. Not that I have a maid, or a coffee table.
I don't have a stepmother, stepsister or stepdaughter and if I did, there's no way I would be tempted to f*** any of them. How mentally ill are some of these people?
@@notbloodylikely4817That's because you're poor Kenny! You get that. You're poor!
Any women here that need their washing machines fixed?
@@jackburton1455 You mean you know how to use one?
Giving people choice, for good or bad, means people choose. Some may choose poorly. This whole thing started with well meaning people changing centuries of traditions in the mid 20th century. In trying to fix the few things they didn't like, they never thought pulling those threads would unravel the entire tapestry. Some injustices exist for a reason. Men traditionally suffered one way, woman another. Evil, wrong, unfair? 100%. But.....utopia is all fine and good in theory, but human nature hasn't changed and we're about to find out where the alternative leads. Just sayin'
Nonsense. People are not given unlimited choice. You can't own a machine gun. Cocaine. A bomb. Chemical weapons. A car that isn't properly inspected. Money that hasn't been reported to the IRS. People do not have unlimited choice. Not even close.
If something is sufficiently destructive of culture, it is outlawed.
Yep. and I’d rather have the choice and make the mistake than have someone else make the decision for me. In fact, I’d rather be dead than have no freedom to make mistakes.
@@justsomenobody889 Ok. SO make the choice to keep money unreported to the IRS. Make the choice to sell cocaine. Equating freedom of choice with porn is farcical, as I could name 1,000 things you're not free to do.
@@murraymarshawn2175 Yeah, but seeing women naked and seeing people having sex in public is actually more natural than having a bunch of god-botherers telling you its shameful. Just because you have some issues with nakedness doesn't mean the rest of us should comply. You've got your rules in your club so you should stick to them. We're not in your club so we shouldn't have to follow your rules. It makes no sense to impose them on non-Christians. Prove to the world your way is the best way by living within your own rules for a change - then maybe you can convince me to adopt the rules of your club.
Very well said, @MonkeyspankO
You can do everything right and still end up alone at 50 through no fault of your own.
Life is waiting to roll you.
Sounds like you have some personal issues to work out. “Life” is not against you. God has amazing things in store for everyone who strives and is willing to aim high and explore the truth.
True but it’s still important to make the right decisions to increase the chances of you doing well
Life does not directly reward effort. You can make all the right choices, and through no mistake of yours, still end up alone, childless and poor.@@brianmeen2158
Yep, but at 51 you be can in a relationship again
@@brendansherlock6442 Especially men, who can also still father kids 🤷
I’m nostalgic for the days before I was born when pornography was limited to magazines with limited distribution that a few men would read “for the articles” but otherwise almost unseen; where boys and girls were blessed by parents and taught to dance at school; where kids got married 18-20 and stayed married for life; and where being sent to your room was dopamine-depriving punishment, not a reward.
Yes 💔
“Where kids got married 18-20 and stayed married for life” headass 🤡 🤡
Lololol I was raised in that time and without ANY prior exposure I sought out those magazines and found them at just 7 years old. That desire is natural and I have every right to my curiosity. Anyone that wants to take that from me can meet an unfortunate end.
When I was around 10-11 years old, out of curiosity after hearing about “porn” on the internet, I typed in “boy having sex with girl” and came across a video of what appeared to be a 15-17 year old boy or so having sex with what appeared to a 6-7 year old girl. Internet pornography is not good. Pornography is not good.
@@adamjutras7024 you're obviously a very well adjusted person 👌
Poor Francis… He was so moved but then Konstantin interrupted him at 17:00
I would like references to the studies Lila is talking about.
Exactly. Considering most "monogamous" relationships end in divorce or involve infidelity, her assertions that they are generally happier than polyamorous ones seem to be unlikely. Seems like a whole bunch of prudish, evangelically-motivated BS to me. I'll believe her argument when she actually supports it with high-quality referenced data.
Agree. Additionally, correlation isn't causation
@@odettegibbs2238 " Considering most "monogamous" relationships end in divorce or involve infidelity," Citation?
Also the ones that Konstantin quotes too about the violent porn and women
She referenced a Harvard U study on families over a hundred year period. Shouldn't be hard to google. If one really wants to know.
Throughout history if you banned something it only becomes more valuable. It opens a floodgate of criminality.
Agreed
Then arrest the criminals.
That's what I was thinking... We'll need to start where the source of the problem lies, like why are people addicted to pornography? What are the causes? What can we do as a whole to mitigate or fix those causes because else all we'd do is keep this in the dark, sealed off the entrance.. The people who would be running to or headed in the direction of that entrance are just gonna find another way in or go some place else we don't know about.
Still not a reason to stop it
@@averagerobloxyoutuberrexactly!!
If the socio economic infrastructure, starting with communities of decent affordable housing, on 1.5 salary’s were prioritised, the rest would fall into place. But forming a family has never been harder or more discouraged
So I think this is a mislabeled interview. Almost her entire framing is about her pro-life position and so watching I felt like I was a bit misled on a topic about banning porn and then the first 41 minutes exclusively the former. I don’t have a problem with her position as a pro-life advocate, she makes good talking points from
Her point of view and I have lots of religious friends that have an almost exact way of thinking and positioning. But yeah I would recommend changing the title to something more aligned with the interviews actual narrative. Not just a side line that is only used to support sex work leads to abortion as her key issue. Or option 2 spilt into part 1 and part 2 to align the content and titles.
Great points. I think I've noticed a trend of them updating the titles after a couple of days too
Porn being so readily available to children is also reframing how they view sex, their unrealistic expectations of what relationships and sex should be. Its not surprising this is apparently the most depressed and mentally ill generation.
It feels like she never answered the questions directly and just sort of went on pro life tangents which is fine but I wanted something else from the video with a title like that.
@FvckN0Creationists gonna create.
@@npmerrillyeah it looks like they’ll be the only ones with descendants in the near future.
(if you haven't already) you should get Matt Fradd author of the Porn Myth on. A very well researched book on the topic and covers many of the underlying presuppositions of a lot of the pro-porn proponents.
I would propose that few people are actually pro-porn in the same way that few are pro-alcoholism or pro-tobacco addiction. The problem is that it is out there, it is easily accessible and there isn't any real interest in removing it. Sex, drugs and rockn'roll are huge money makers that most people like...
There are absolutely people out there who are pro porn and believe it is good for people. Fradd deals with their arguments and data in the book. These people literally exist and I have met them.
@@therealesg3268
I AM PRO-PORN!! I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE PORN!!!!!!!!
GIMME MORE!!
Agree. This would be a good counter interview.
@@pepegalego - I would propose that implying that being pro-porn equates to an "addiction" is fallacious. Stay on track. Being pro-alcohol and pro-tobacco are fine, and why not pro-porn. ( Not all forms of "porn", obviously not illegal / criminal forms. ) Let's keep in mind as well: How many people, including women, would admit to viewing and enjoying porn in their private lives? Even for a survey or study? Maybe they want to keep it to themselves, maybe they don't trust how the public / social media will handle such self-disclosure.
I had a friend who’s dad had multiple families
It was hard because he wasn’t home every night
He’d come round every couple weeks for a few days
It really messed her up (her loveliness is undeniable but she makes poor choices in her relationships)
I wish so much that my dad had divorced my mother when he had the chance. She was really psycho and she nagged him to the point of exhaustion. He was so stressed out and depressed and he had a heart attack at the age of 51 when I was 8. Then I had to endure her crazy until I got away at 18. I always wished he had saved himself, got a divorce, then had a separate place to live where I could escape to. I needed a father when I was a teenager and got into all kinds of trouble. Over a half century later, I still miss him.
You don’t wish he had more patience for the women he chose to marry? Maybe if he were a stronger man he could have saved you and your mother
@@jimmyhands2729 What a horrible thing to say! He fucking died of a heart attack! He DIDN'T divorce her! That's the point!
@@windsongshf I would say the horrible thing to say was that she “nagged” him and that caused him to die. It’s incredibly unlikely that her being needy caused another person‘s death. depression is almost always caused by environmental factors, such as your father‘s diet same with a heart attack. you sound like a disrespectful little brat that wants to blame all of your problems on your mother.
@@jimmyhands2729if the woman was psychotic and personality disordered, the father was not equipped to handle her. In fact , he died trying . He lost himself in the process. I will also add this : for some individuals with severe mental illness, not even hardcore therapy works , let alone an untrained husband. Your comment is very insensitive to be honest. 😢
@@elenat.2092 how do you know if anything you just said was even remotely accurate? good job diagnosing a situation you are completely unaware of any of the details. You go girl. Lol
I was raised with a wonderful father and stay at home mum. I wanted that and got married, gave up my career to look after our child. He had an affair and left us. No job, no money. I see it often, lucky for me i was young still to restart my career and parents to watch my son. Im over 50yr now and see women as single mums now at Woolworths check out earning min wage and no hope of getting a home loan where he still has his career and home loan easy. We encourage our daughters to have careers because we cant trust men to not desert us.
Exactly! She didn’t address that at all. I’m from an era where women did forsake a career & pension fund to stay home to raise children; many are deserted & now living in poverty line. Also, should women stay in a marriage involving domestic violence just so children are raised by both parents? She didn’t discuss pregnancies resulting from rape 🤷♀️I agree with some of her points but she was unrealistic in parts.
There are many stories like this. And the worse part > the woman gets blamed on top of this for being a single mother. The men are breaking up their families and it's the women's fault for not putting up with the disrespect from men. The red pill goes as far to even tell you the endure physical abuse, but tell the men to leave if the woman cheats. Complete none sense. Sorry for what you went through.
Dont talk rubbish family court awards u with allimony.... also dont blame men as a group for a deed from a single one who hurt you... also consider that cheating is sn outlet of unresolved issues in the relationship, so without supporting cheating which only scum does, you might look at what lead to it.... uve 50% part in it...
So either ur solution should be teach ur daughter to select for better partners or how relationships and marriages are work and even women need to take responsibility, but it seems like u didnt and put 100% of the blame on him
@@iFParasit exactly what I was saying the guy cheated and you found a way to blame the woman. Again this is why there is a male loneliness pandemic. You must hold men accountable. Nobody wants to pick them when they act like this.
@@iFParasit Thank you for your comments and amusement at thinking you know my story. There was no alimony and no child support. Different country from you I suspect and you cant get child support from someone that cant be found. As for putting the blame on me for his cheating, shame on you. I wont go into the drug and alcohol issues on here but shame.
Regardless of the subject matter, all important conversations should be like this. Respectful, robust, fact based, mostly non-emotional.
Except most of her arguments were disgust-based and not fact based.
I am a sex addict. Porn is terrible.
I wish you healing
Comparing porn to seat belt laws is a bad comparison
I totally respect Lila Rose but you can't force this kind of thing underground (foster is right).
I mean you can force it underground and doing so is a bad idea.
@@scillyautomaticThere's certainly an argument for both sides of this debate, but I'm sure she'll articulate her points well.
@@CJ-Giddyup209 Yes, she will! I just looked back at the first video I ever edited with her in it and it was over 13 years ago. She has known since she was in her teens what she wanted to do.
@@scillyautomaticrather it be underground than in people’s faces like it is now.
@@km0262 I see your point! It should not be celebrated. There should be some shame.
Yes porn bad but from a libertarian standpoint, who is she to restrict the right of a loving couple or any two consenting adults to record their physical relations? And equally, I don't think outright banning porn is the answer. Look at the war on drugs. Or as KK mentions, prohibition. Also, with regard to sexual assault content, pornhub recently removed 90% of all their content following lawsuits, leaving content only from verified uploaders. So footage of SA has got to be pretty rare now surely?
From court records it appears people are posting it to Kik.
Yeah, but there are videos that dont show any faces. They get around verification like that. At least there was a veritas expose done about that a few weeks ago.
Of course someone with 666 in their handle would say this.
@@brittei which bit are you referring to? I said many things. And the 666 thing is a meme I am anti satanist
Women are not masturbation tools.
Notice how she never believes the studies that don’t support her ideas.
Why would she need any studies when she got the Bible? 😅
Why would she believe stuides she hasn't seen? Why would you believe any study since the Replication Crisis? Manystill haven't been replicated
What studies would those be? The ones that support a preconceived result instead of being actually neutral?
@wstavis3135 better to argue with no studies then? At least a published paper is open to critique, as opposed to Lila's opinions
I'm pro-life but she irritates me. She is highly biased and can't deal with stuff that disagrees with her.
She's just sane and honest. And she knows her facts.
@@tommore3263 She seems a bit too self-assured, also 'ought' and moral judgements don't really help convince people
@@tommore3263her facts though, not THE facts.
Before any law is enacted the question is; dose this act merit sending agents of the state to use force in order to compel compliance?
Prohibition and the war on drugs should not be repeated.
So that's what happened with smoking? How about swearing and public disturbances? Should we remove laws of private property for small items? Law is a dictate of reason. Women are not masturbation aids.
@@tommore3263Laws are a dictate of reason only when they exist to warrant our freedom. Who are you to interphere in the woman's decision to use her body to get money?
how? are humans not masturbation aids? the bigger question is are you responsible. if yes then live your life no matter how degenerate. responsibility is required first and foremost for anything to be reasonable.@@tommore3263
Never take advice from a sour person.
Surprised you didn't ask about cartoon porn or ai generated 3d porn, which doesn't involve the exploitation of actors
Cartoon porn still uses voice actors.
that's more than fine. @@tablescissors
@@tablescissorsYes, but those actors are in tiny monitored recording studios. Some even recording from their own homes. None of the abuse or exploitation Lila talks about is a concern for VAs.
this is a valid point; this would certainly remove the exploitation element from the equation. So then the question to ask is whether p0rn is bad for the user. In my opinion it absolutely is harmful to the user but this becomes a little murkier from a law standpoint because I don't believe it's the government's role to save people from themselves.
@20:30 You have to also look at why men stayed happy and healthy in marriage. My experience is there was no pressure either side to be "better". This cohort worked together to build a happy relationship rather than living with expectation.
While listening to this, I was reminded of a study about Hazing culture and it's effects on how people perceived the benefits, and how this makes me a bit skeptical of the data surrounding "happy" marriages.
Basically, when a group has some sort of hazing practice, such as a college fraternity, the members of the group value their membership in that group more than membership in a group that does not have such a practice. The more intense the hazing, the more they valued their membership.
Some of this is undoubtedly the result of justification behavior, IE: I underwent this experience to become a member of the group, therefore, the membership must be worth it. If it wasn't worth it, then why did I agree to do this? Why did anyone ever agree to do this?
The end conclusion was that people value something more if they have had to make a sacrifice for it (in this case, usually in the form of their dignity).
I would be interested to see if there is a similar effect when it comes to a long term marriage. Both partners have made sacrifices in their lives (personal, emotional, career, sexual) to make the relationship work. They therefore value it more.
Alternatively, a promiscuous person with multiple partners makes no sacrifices in any of their relationships, and therefore value them less.
The justification behavior no doubt has an effect in the marriage context, and may help to explain the higher self reports of happiness. It could also be a factor in why people stay in toxic or abusive relationships. I would be interested to see how this bears out under study.
Importantly, unlike a Frat Hazing which tends to be degrading, a marriage is generally positive. Instead of a degrading ordeal, it's more like an ongoing project. It also has substantial long lasting upsides (such as children) that I'm not going into at this time. This makes it a different situation, but I wonder if the same psychology still applies to a certain extent.
ADDENDUM: For the record, I am not married, but I would like to be someday. I have had the benefit of many positive role models in this regard. I do not claim to be an expert in this field, and I am the last person you should ask about relationships. This is just a thought that popped into my head, and I thought I would share it. Please take it for what it is - the opinion of a curious person on the internet.
You are valuing knowing more than the thing known. You've shifted from wanting to know what's good for you to wanting to know everything (probably for control). That road leads nowhere good
I mean, yeah, I get that we should be celebrating women for having babies but can we stop going around acting like every woman and every man needs the same exact things to feel satisfied in life? I swear, liberal or conservative or whatever everyone acts like we’re all supposed to go around with a cohesive “message” to drill into the heads of young people about how to have a happy life when people often need entirely different things to be happy.
That is one of my pet peeves with individuals like her ( including Jordan Peterson, who I love ) who preach such the strong message that carries an implicit shaming of those who don't exactly want the same things. The counter-cultural stance is valid, and I would say needed, but it goes too far into absolutism. The pendulum swing can be tempered with some nuance and humble respect of other options.
Agree, it may be that many, even most, need a traditional family structure to be happy, but that is by no means true for all
I can see that many it most people might be happiest in a traditional family situation. That isn’t true for all. It’s it’s also not true that all people are capable of being good parents. Some women should never be mothers.
I like Jordan too but get annoyed at his views on family sometimes. He at least had a sense of humor. This woman is humorless. She scares me
@@machtnichtsseimann I think to some degree not wanting those things should elicit some shame, though. Only because some people need that shame to realise that a phony path of self-indulgent hedonism really isn't a path forward. Not saying that's you obviously (I've no idea), but this is definitely a useful thing IMO.
@@bellsprout7748 what's the point of the shame if you know that you're not going to be happy going the traditional route? Also I'm not sure why you assume that non-traditional automatically mean "self-indulgent hedonism"...
“The greatest superpower of a woman that makes her different from a man is her ability to be a mother, and that’s what we should be celebrating as a society” - it’s giving Serena Joy
mmmmm....nice try.
I thought the same... 😬
But I agree on most of her views on porn but that was a bit extreme the kid and abortion thing. Not everyone should have kids, only people that truly want and can provide for kids, should have them.
That's because she is exactly the timbre of zealot who looks at the Handmaid's Tale as a guidebook and not a warning. You can, and many feminists have, make a solid argument against porn without ever having to go down this rabbit hole.
@@irishronngararsdottir8820You look like someone who'd disagree with the abortion thing.
That man at the beginning would never want that for his daughters -- a "husband" who is all over the place, with multiple other mothers of his children.
Nor would he ever want one of his daughters to be a porn actress, or Only Fans content creator.
Interestingly, when the consequences of these things we are told need to be legal are to be felt personally, in our most cherished bonds, we adamantly reject them.
Yeah, his pause spoke volumes. He was lying.
I bet he wishes he never went on that podcast. It was like he was trying to be a boss but hadn't really thought it through. He just sounded like a tool
@@tablescissors not only the pauses, but his whole body language: the whole time he looked away from Lila, his eyes towards the ground. He tried to project strength, but he looked like a beat dog.
@@jean-michellavoie1889 Right because he knew he was wrong. He is also on drugs so that doesnt help.
The irony is that a man who has multiple baby mamas- usually has baby mama's with multiple baby daddies...
Disloyal promiscuous men only mate women who are like them. That is the whole problem with hook up culture....it creates chaos in the lives of children and institutions.
Luckily I've never been competitive so I don't have the need to be better than men. But I remember that when I was a teenager, I often felt I was expected to be less intelligent than men. And being a sensitive girl, I often pretended I was, not knowing why, I just did what I felt was expected from me. As I matured, I stopped being so accommodating. That's when they started calling me a feminist.
I'm a conservative man. When I was a kid I thought most women were less intelligent than me. I think this is a combination of being a competitive, ignorant young man filled with testosterone, and what you mention about pretending to be less smart than you are. Then I went to college and met many brilliant women who had no problem showing how smart they are and I found that I loved it. Now I'm a doctor and some of the doctors that are at the top of the list of those I would choose to put my life and the life of my family in are brilliant women, I'm married to a brilliant woman, and I have two young girls that I'm hoping will be smarter than me.
I am so glad that you and I both learned that women do no one any favors when they pretend to be less than they are.
you are talking about teenage boys. It looks like when we sanitise male intellectual competition so that girls don't feel like you did boys start failing. I'm rather cynical about the motivation of the education industry to fix this problem. I propose that we slowly but at a fix rate start reintroduction of single sex schools until such time as this problem is solved. I think that with this motivation absolutely amazing progress will be made in fixing boys and girls education in mixed sex schools
@@PGHEngineer Dude, everyone finds engineers annoying.
@@baustin11111I grew up conservative and the boys were very sexist and obnoxious. When you add porn to obnoxious boys you can't blame girls wanting nothing to do with them. There is a very good reason birth rates are falling and men refuse to look at their behaviour.
@@RecalledtoLifethe female ones are generally okay.
That clip of that creep in the beginning 😳 What an absolute fool!
he's so triggered that he can't even look at her directly....bc of his feelings 😂😂😂
I genuinely feel so terribly for his children
Feel terribly for his kids... No you don't.
Guy was a prick though
Iv learned in my life that anytime someone try’s to paint a topic of conversation as “It isn’t complicated, it’s quite black and white, A leads to B and that is that, ex” I immediately question everything about where they’re coming from.
Nothing is black and white, nothing is absolutely moral or immoral without grey areas that blend both the good and evil.
She made some good points, but she’s too authoritarian for me.
I agree with you. She had some good points. I always wonder if prolife people think about the unwanted babies that are being born? The adoption process is far from perfect
There aren’t enough “unwanted” babies, the number of couples who want to adopt a newborn far exceeds the babies available to adopt. The number of infertile couples has grown exponentially as people have pushed out the time to have children past the fertile window for women; while for men sperm count has rapidly fallen in the past few decades. Without immigration the populations of both the USA and UK would fall rapidly as the birth rate keeps trending downward.
@@viviennedunbar3374 thank you
Your position is too black and white. Reality really isn't complicated.
She's a stone cold fascist, twisted to the core, and yet has convinced herself that she is a crusader for Truth and common sense. She is quite adamant of her reliance on logic and science, lol, she has no idea what logic even is. I'm not being mean, and in fairness, I think very, very few people really understand logic and how it works, and her devotion to it is the correct approach. But, logic is like the highest mathematics, but twice as difficult. It requires deep, organized thought, fact collecting, identifying and assignment, as well as intense comparisons of narratives, narrative creation, and supposition. She thinks her brief, emotional based interpretation of the nouns/subject in a sentence can be easily sighted as proof of illogic.
That being said, regarding black and white, I disagree. Yes, at an existential level, you can raze everything down to an unknown, to a question of the shade. But Truth is objective, and it is absolute. There are both the light and the absence of light, the black and the white, the yin and the yan, present in the universal construct. It is man who walks in limbo between them. It is our perception that is subjective.
I'm certain you can find several living examples which you experience if you are open to seeing them. For me, I don't feel it is necessary for man to solve his existential crisis for there to be peace and order. We simply only need to find common ground. We create what we are. We can agree the murder or even imposing your will on a free and innocent human being is wrong, and not acceptable. The secret is in the word 'agree'. We need only agree to what will be 'our' Truth, and that can serve as the Truth. That's what religions do, that's what the world needs without religion. And that is what our republics are trying to accomplish.
It is simple, abortion is murder. End of story. Giving a woman a right to murder a human because she carries it inside her requires some sort of additional facts that have not yet been presented. Facts that demonstrate either the fetus is not a living human being, or that killing it is somehow not actually killing it. OR we can move to change the morality of killing, if we 'agree' to do that.
Our biggest challenge, what keeps destroyimg nations, century after century, is ego, and our primitive roots of 'might is right'. That is the Way of things, might has always decided what is right. Logic is the sophisticated faculty that is just emerging in our species, and, like math, it is understood by humans in a gaussian or bell curve, or whatever dispersion, just as athletic skill or music talent. Logic is a skill, and only those in command of it can arrive at the most integral/relevant, accurate result of it's yield. The good part is, just like math, others can be shown and understand easily, but EGO stops them from yielding to an objective logician. That's why so many people are religious, if u can't figure it out for yourself, you follow and trust the people closest to you. That's everyone following the patriarch of the family in his ill brained ideas, and they end up at the church all trusting a boardroom of old fascists. Look at that, full circle, lol.
Peace
Great guest! I like her, thanks for giving her time👏🏽
When all these issues are pushed so hard into the discourse, but you can´t build your own house, on your own land, with your own money unless the government allows it. And even if you build your own house, on your own land with your own multi-times TAXED money you need to pay TAX so you can live in it. This is the biggest issue of the 21st century. The ineffective government that putting us into debt every year and takes more and more money out of our paychecks. Till 2020 I was able to put aside about 200 - 500 Euro every month, now I´m spending the money I´ve saved to live a life. That is the problem of 2024.
Porn has always been around. Ever been to Pompeii? The walls are covered in it. Vikings used to doodle willies, in the renaissance you had books like the Decameron, and In Victorian Britain there was a monthly porn magazine called The Pearl, and they used to publish pretty racy stories and photos. In fact brothels were on every street corner in Victorian London, and prostitutes in the East End were two a penny. Porn is just an easy scapegoat for deeper society issues, a panacea. It's not the cause of problems, it's the result of them. In fact Victorian Britain is a pretty good place to look, as it's recent enough to be well documented and reasonably familiar. So what was similar? Technological paradigm shift (mechanisation for them, the Internet and AI for us) a huge income gap that left the poor pretty hopeless while the elites were effete and decadent, alcohol and drug abuse were rampant, child abuse was rampant... as Mark Twain said, history doesn't repeat but it does rhyme. There are few people alive today who remember life before the 1940s (you'd need to be at least 90), so our collective consciousness really only extends back that far, to the 50s and 60s when things were better.
What you are saying is erotica has been around for a few thousand years. Not forever, hunter gatherers don't have it. And erotica in art or literature is not porn, which has only existed for a short time.
@@grannyannie2948Victorians had photos. And films. It's been around a while.
@@brick6347 I'm not aware of films, films didn't exist until the very end of the Victorian ERA. I have seen photos from the ERA. They are clearly erotica, nude or semi nude women in static images, not pornography.
@calvin8002 I'm not sure, if the Greeks built a statue of a naked male athlete and displayed it in public, I don't think their intention was to arouse women. I think it's purpose was more to inspire men to excellence. And I have never heard of any descriptions of arousal from the nudes and semi nude paintings of the baroque. The closest I can find is a Scottish nanny who in the 1830s destroyed the painting of Samuel Pepys wife, Elizabeth, because she thought her gown was too low cut for decency.
But even if you are correct, which I don't believe, and this art was to promote arousal, that is still quite different to porn. Arousal is a preclude to sex, porn is an alternative to sex.
@calvin8002 Again you are not putting things in their historic perspective. For example much of the erotic art of the Roman period were advertisements for brothels.
And to give an example of the literature in the 1600s women read French romances. An example of this is Cinderella. I have come across one erotic book published in the 1700s for young gentleman coming to London for the first time. But again it was an advertisement describing the best and worst brothels. And when Hans Christian Andersen stories were translated into English, in their original they are rather adult, they were heavily censored, because women were fond of foreign romances.
The fact is men were not incels until recently. And respectable women did not engage in premarital sex. There was no need for pornography. In the cities men had access to cheap sex. The song rub a dub dub, refers to the huge number of men taking the mercury bath treatment for syphilis. And in rural areas, everyone married young.
Here in the US, a good step in the right direction would be to remove every single income tax deduction for anyone who earns all or part of their income from adult entertainment. No deductions, not even the standard one.
The government can justify this policy by claiming that the damage porn causes to family formation results in higher welfare payments per capita. It certainly does.
So you’re saying the profit of women’s exploitation?
1992 was the year marital rape became illegal in the UK. I know this because my mother divorced my dad in 1992 and her solicitor told her that even if she wanted to make that claim which there was proof of, they might not take it seriously as it was such a new law.
Very convincing example! And sorry that you and your mum had to go through that😢 44:46
@@egyuttminden2853 @TheFluffii BalderDaesh! Marital Rape has NEVER been legal!! There have been instances of attempts to claim you couldn't rape within marriage but that was rejected in the courts.
There is also a claim by FemiStasi activists that a statute legalised rape in marriage, but that too is a load of Old Barnacles!
The minimum age for marriage in the UK in Victorian times used to be 14 for a boy and 12 for a girl. However in a moral panic about child prostitution the legal age of consent for sex was raised to 16. As usual with rushed panic laws they overlooked the bleeding obvious that this would make all sex in legal marriages below 16 STATUTORY rape.
The act that supposedly made "RAPE LEGAL" simply removed STATUTORY "rape" from married couples UNDER 16! IT DIDN'T MAKE PHYSICAL RAPE LEGAL!!!
@@egyuttminden2853 Where is my reply that gave the facts about this lie?
Why does RUclips always censor the truth if it doesn't agree with the Woke Narrative?!🤦♀🤦🤦♂
I'm surprised that they didn't challenge her more on the less porn means less sexual violence. They were, justifiably trying to reference a study showing porn decreased sexual violence, but there's glaring evidence that the kind of Puritan society she advocates has never worked nor works today. From conservative Christian medieval or Victorian Europe to all the Islamic Middle Eastern states today. Go to Afghanistan or Iran and see how well a ban on porn has protected women from sexual violence. Pretty sure a woman is more likely to be assaulted in a country where porn is banned.
@FvckN0Oh, I didn't make it to the end, but it felt like a typical Christian pro-life (anti-contraception + anti-abortion) and pro-family (anti-gay) propaganda from the beginning.
Except a lot of porn involves sexual violence where people are compelled through use of variations fulcrums (drugs, threats, violence, peer pressure, etc.).
@@azren2255 yes but not everyone watches that kind of porn. And that's besides the point. The point is why does no porn also lead to sexual violence too?
@@EagleLeader1 I don't think you are understanding. Even some people who seem to be making consensual pornography are in fact being compelled to do so through drugs, threats, pressure, etc. but because it is filmed and people are paid a lot of it is pushed aside. Hollywood had a huge issue with sexual misconduct and abuse most of which went unreported until recently. Do we really believe the porn industry is better behaved? How many things are considered part of the norm in the pornographic industry are actually centered around abuse and coercion, and that doesn't even touch on sites that serve as a platform to publish all manner of stuff where there is little to no accountability that it isn't part of an abusive situation?
Also, I would like to see the information and evidence that definitively establishes that porn leads to less sexual violence. Do you have a link to studies that demonstrate this?
@@azren2255 um that's extremely off topic as both the majority of the video and myself were talking about the effects of porn on society not within the porn industry. The percentage of people filming in the porn industry is extremely tiny as compared to the general public. So even if you wanted to count every single person in the porn industry as being an abuser or abused that's still a tiny minority of society. Don't need stats for that common sense. Heck even if I agreed with you that the porn industry is a hive of sexual assaults it has nothing to do with my point. Most of our clothes are produced with child slavery, that doesn't make us slave owners.
People who ask for stats should be required to provide stats for their POV also. Not to mention playing the stats game just goes in circles because even if we both provided stats to each other we'll then argue the source of the study as unreliable. That's 1 of the reasons I didn't bother with the stats and focused on how most countries without porn still suffer with sexual assault. The stats you are asking me to produce doesn't exist. Why, for the following reasons:-
1. Accurate assault statistics are hard to obtain as many victims don't report due to reasons like embarrassment, fear of reprisal, or insufficient laws.
2. Definitions and tracking methods of sexual assault vary globally, affecting statistics; some countries have broader definitions and include non-consensual or statutory assault.
3. Some countries track only male-on-female assault. Others also track female-on-female, female-on-male, and male-on-male assault.
Keep in mind the countries I need to make my point generally don't even publish such stats. Generally countries with legal porn count sexual assaults while those with illegal porn don't publish such stats. So asking me for stats on my point is impossible. If you think lack of stats means my point is invalid then you're looking at the glass half empty. Just because nobody is counting doesn't mean assaults aren't happening when porn doesn't exist. Should we not believe the victims just because we have no stats that assault occurs in that country? I can only rely on the many reports of the victims of assault in Saudi Arabia, Iran, ISIS etc. All places with no legal porn but the assault is still happening.
People like to connect porn and sex assault as if they are mutually exclusive to each other and create false causation. They are 2 separate things that may intersect in a ven diagram but one doesn't need porn to think about commiting sexual assault.
I really enjoyed listening to this episode - I love listening to people debating as it's a rarity these days! Happy New year guys! God Bless y'all 👍🙏💕🏴 xx
It is possible that porn reduces sexual assaults, but the data I have seen really would need to account for other variables. 1) the correlation I saw was only about the number of rapes after the addition of high-speed internet to an area, and a reduced number of rapes could be due to less women leaving their house because they are seeking entertainment online, and not in bars and clubs. 2) to make a causal inference, you would need a "differences-within-differences" approach where you would see if the access to porn dropped the number of sexual assaults after it became available accounting for continuations of trends in sexual assaults that were previously active going-into the period of the change. Studying in multiple intervention communities and multiple control communities would be needed to establish the effect, and I believe that because of a) chesterton's fence, and b) the known harms of pornography, you would put the burden of proof on the pornagrapher. 3) i can tell you in southern Italy that there have been 3 porn-inspired rapes of very young girls that have not ended well - and another filmed gang-rape of a girl in Palermo recently. the case in Barcellona involved a 13 year-old, one in the Agrigento area was filmed and led the girl to kill herself after the video circulated the web, and the one in Naples-Secondigliana this summer was super messed up.This trend among pornified teens filming the sexual assaults of very young teen girls really eclipses any argument that this shit is good--it's not data, it's anecdote, but it's anecdote of an emerging trend that we need to watch. The inustry hates age-verification and the progressive left hates it too, they will fight it tooth-and-nail becaue industry wants the money and progressives believe that extending sexual freedom and destroying all previously present norms is the key to finally making that great civilization.
i' d bet my bottom dollar that the cases you mention involved "doctors, engineers and scientists"
Related to your point; I don't know if the proliferation of p0rn reduces or increases assaults, but I'd bet every dollar I have that an extremely high percentage of those who've committed a sexual assault are also avid p0rn users.
I'd argue it ultimately encourages assaults. Not everyone who watches porn will assault someone. But it's been proven that it's linked to desensitisation. If you're sexually rewarding yourself to violent images, then you will progress to harder stuff and eventually to acting out
the people acting in the ways the OP mentioned have never seen pron and have barely ever seen a girl. they are also under the impression for various reasons that what they are doing is ok @@Stoppit-tidyup
Sooo interesting and insightful even though I’m a convinced atheist. Thank you so much! I’m a child of divorced parents when I was 10 and that was a disaster.
Isn't porn already "banned" for minors? I see the point of being drastic to drive the point of how harmful it is, but when you listen to music, watch a lot of the TV shows and movies with lots of sex scenes and just normalize girls of all ages dressing and behaving like prostitutes the thought of banning porn is kind of moot point.
she means making it illegal for everyone, adults included
@@artemislogic5252 freedom is more important than safety or comfort. F the authoritarians
Not lately. The woke think porn is good for children even having dragQs prancing performing around young children, Gay pride parade brought out naked prancing men. Wth!
@@studentdrake She is correct.. It isn't authoritarian to curb stuff that is harmful to peaple. It is different today because you get more then we did in the past
Look at education
Just imagine a future where porn is easily created with AI that doesnt rely on live performers?! I understand, there is now an AI tool that can transform a photo of someone clothed and create an image of what that person looks like naked. I believe we are approaching a new age in how porn is created.
we will have full on sex robots by 2035
I agree!
I think it is common sense to say that if you watch Porn and sexual violence over and over again you would want to take it out of the "virtual reality" into real life which would be a 1000 times more arousing. Exploring that with a real person - the smells the sounds the fear in a LIVE victim would be so much more exciting than virtual to someone who has trained themselves to become so depraved!
Except that there's no evidence to back this claim. In fact there's evidence to the contrary. Anecdotally the worst sexually motivated serial killers happened when Internet porn did not exist.
I do not agree with your statement - if someone rehearses something in their minds they are moving towards acting it out FACT!
I agree entirely with what you say but I am not talking about regular porn here and you know it @@ianclark9198
I will disagree with Lila, as a woman who graduated from STEM, when she says women graduate because of affirmative action. She's mixing race affirmative action with, gender affirmative action. There is almost none of this for women, in today's day and age, it's almost fully targeted towards POC and LGBTQ+ people.
Which is ok, as it it's not needed for women today, women have all the rights.
Many women work hard and it's their dream(as it was mine) to go into STEM and LOVE what they do. So it's not fair to take away that achievement in this broad statement (i am against affirmative action in general btw, quotas based on immutable characteristics are complete none sense, and there is other ways to solve the issue if a certain type of community is falling behind the rest based on some historical events. We can both acknowledge that historical events can have an effect on a certain group and the fact that affirmative action is not the solution to this ).
Indeed on top of this women outperform men in every part of the education system from middle school to every level of education. For this men say, ouh education was made to fit women, which is incorrect.
As much as today's feminism is absolutely toxic(yes there is toxic femininity as much as there is toxic masculinity),
it's not fair at all to put, yet again, all the behavioral issues of men, on women.
Everyone has personal responsibility, to work on themselves in life. You can not control what other people do, but you can control how you react to it.
I feel this is why, the message of JP resonated so well with many people(both men and women) because the center message at the beginning of his internet saga, was,
personal responsibility.
Every person, man or woman, should take a step back, think about their actions, and work to improve themselves, be a better person regardless of gender.
Screaming with anger on the internet what women need to do to make men betters, or what men need to do to make women better is useless.
Everyone is responsible for their actions and state of well being.
And when you're a better person, women or men, good people tend to surround you if you give it enough time.
She's correct. Women have STEM scholarships exclusively to them, exclusive tech internships, exclusive tech workshops / bootcamps, and preferential hiring in STEM. No idea what she means by affirmative action for graduation, admittance yes, women still have that, and the schools are catered to girls way of learning, included with feminist indoctrination, as well as their interests, not to mention most schoolteachers are females so boys don't have any male teachers as role models, which is one of the reasons boys are losing interest. It doesn't mean girls are outperforming boys, it just means girls have an advantage to pass school, and even then, when they grow up, it's not clear to me that women are smarter than men even after all that education. It looks to be the opposite. Men are still smarter and logical compared to women.
freedom is more important than safety or comfort. F the authoritarians
I completely agree about the branding of the message “reproductive rights” versus what I’ve been starving for my entire life and have not found in any recent “woman’s movement” - least of all movements that dismissed and forbade “certain women” from being a part of their group or “marches”.
The stupidest thing with the "I'm going to live unapologetically" mentality is that, if you understand there is a REASON to apologize, then you understand that what you're doing is wrong. Just because you want to be willfully evil, doesn't make you any less evil.
Legislating morality is not morality at all. It’s actually authoritarianism.
Every law is legislation reflective of morality. The only question is what moral minimum society should require.
@@Forester- so the speed limit is a moral issue? I always thought it had to do with physics, not morality.
@@mickeydougal Of course it's a moral question. We deem it immoral to drive at reckless speeds. Physics has nothing to do with the question of whether or not people should drive at a safe speed.
@@Forester- you clearly have a much different definition of morality than me.
My original post is about banning things like pornography and abortion. While both cause problems in the lives of people who practice them, you only create other, much more serious problems by trying to legislate them out of existence. Forced morality is not morality at all. It’s a theocracy. I don’t know in which country you reside, but in the United States, theocracies are not allowed. Your morality is based on your choice, not forced upon you.
@@mickeydougal I understand what you're saying but I just believe that every law is forcing moral decisions onto people. To view banning pornography and abortion as a step too far seems entirely arbitrary to me, particularly in light of the actually frivolous laws we already enforce which are less damaging to society than those issues. To call it theocratic also doesn't make sense to me because we don't need any purely religious justifications for banning either unless a belief in inherent human dignity is considered theocratic, in which case many other laws will need to be thrown out.
I think a lot of men want to get married, but they can't find women who find them attractive. Most average men have a hard time even catching the attention of women.
I think it's absolutely absurd to insinuate that women prioritize a man being good, over him offering security. I see no evidance that points toward this, and a plethora of evidance that points to the contrary, including that statistically the likelihood of divorce skyrockets when the woman in a married couple starts to make more money than her husband.
I don't know what the solution is, but I think it's dishonest to not aknowledge the reality of the situation as it currently stands. I don't believe for a moment that hating women is a good or productive response, or solution. However, I don't think we can lay the vast majority of the these problems at the feet of young men either, and to a large extent, neither at the feet of young women.
Young women are taught abject lies, that thier actions have no negative consequences, especially as it relates to promscuity, and so they act in ignorance, and end up bitter, alone, and unable to love and respect that perhaps would be happy to take care of them.
Young men are taught to get the hell out of the way and dissappear, and so many of them are doing so by taking their own lives.
I think both sexes need to be taught the truth about what the opposite sex is looking for, and trying to form themselves into attractive parters.
i disagree. men are simply in denial about the fact that women are only interest in attractive men. also she won't put out which is her Duty that somehow this gay society forgot about which is why marriage needs to be abolished from the federal and state government. let the religious institutions adjudicate marriage obligations.
Is this Matt Walsh’s wife?
Lila you are right. And I admire your courage to say what you do in this day.
If pornography would be banned would you also ban it's biggest platform: the internet? Would you ban minors from access to computers and cellphones? After all, they themselves distribute child pornography. Would authorities be able to deal with the millions incarcerated because of the ban? Or is this issue also one of those many problems with no solutions?
Honestly, yes, even if you took porn out of the picture, there are a lot of ways minors can get into trouble online. Their brains are still developing and you're allowing them to have access to the worst parts of humanity, mostly unsupervised. So flip-phones for emergency calling, and the modern cell phone would just be a mini-computer that only connects to the internet for updating apps.
You don't have to imprison violators, but you can fine them. Prison should be reserved for people who are a danger to society if let loose.
In a perfect world her views would make more sense. One man, one woman, kids, happy, strong marriages. No need for abortion, porn, etc. But we don't. There are millions of people who have no-one and nothing. Prostitution turns me off, but as long as the sex worker is of age, wants to do it, and as long as there are punters who can get sex no other way........
I will argue, countries that allow pornography are likely to be Western and have better criminal practices for getting rape convictions. Any studies done have the possibility that they are correlating data.
In the West, it's very hard to rape someone today and not leave DNA evidence and CCTV is everywhere in the UK. Making it harder to get away with it. Compared to third-world countries that might be stricter on porn, but also have a hard time getting criminal convictions because they don't have the processes to collect good factual evidence of rape.
We should all aim to be as courteous and polite as FF And KK when disagreeing. You guys are pros! ✌️
Simple choice. Self indulgence or self mastery. Choose wisely.
Self masturbation. All the way
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We were lied to when we were told that sex is not dangerous.
Did you take sex ed in school? They only talk about the dangers
Sex sells baby. Always has always wil do.
I’ve never heard anyone say that in my life
Sex is not inherently dangerous, people are. we as humans make the mistake of blaming our terrible behavior and choices onto things we created or did. Sex is literally just how species reproduce. it's human behavior that taints it
@@Crest28 Ding ding ding! THAT is the correct answer. I didn't go into the explanation because I knew someone would spell it out. And you are correct.
You nailed it with the purpose of a woman being career success and not motherhood.
Great interview x awesome content
The problem is that when men were in a position to have and support a wife and family too many of them abused that responsibility. It is difficult for women to consider trusting men to take care of their wives and children when they have historically done such a bad job of it. People talk of a golden past where couples stayed together and were parents to their children but they are overlooking the fact that women had no choice but to stay in abusive or unfulfilling relationships where the man was neither a partner or a friend. I’m not just referring to physical abuse but economic abuse, such as the woman not owning half the property even if she gave up work to care for children or having to go on her knees to a man to get money for food etc. it’s not a wonderful glowing example and if men want that position back there has to be some way to protect women from the tyranny of husbands
Really appreciate Lila and her work! Excellent communicator!
Lila, is a class act! 👏🏻 fellas for hosting her on your show! Lila speaks bold truths that people are hungry for.
Sex work should be legal...you cannot ban the whole sector. If it becomes illegal it'll go underground and unprotected.
We have a close family member going through divorce right now, after like 30 years of marriage, because of the husbands porn addiction.
Sounds like she stopped putting out, and then got jealous of PH.
@@sadomars2446Actually the opposite. He stopped putting out. He had prescriptions for viagra but no matter how hard she tried he wouldn’t sleep with her. Then she noticed the viagra prescriptions were being used and refilled so she thought he was cheating. Turns out he was watching porn hours and hours a day and preferred that to being with her.
@@sadomars2446 or his porn use made him impotent, as is happening to younger and younger men
Oh yeah, that's the easy explanation. Because of the husbonds porn addiction. But what caused this addiction? Stress, bad marriage, lousy job, money problems, boring wife, angry wife?
How did his addiction effect the marriage? Just curious whether it did or whether she was just against porn.
The old school way to stop underage viewing of porn was requiring a credit card. Not many youth are going to risk using dads/moms card for that.
The real old school way was going to a store and having to buy videos and magazines face to face to someone. I would imagine many people these days wouldn’t want to do that because of the shame, but that’s the whole point anti-porn people are trying to make. There’s a reason why it feels shameful to consume such material, because it is shameful. It’s getting off to people who are being abused, I can’t think of anything more sick and self-serving
I was just under 14 when I bought my first Playboy in 1978.
@@beckee6282The models in old school magazines were being abused?
She continually ignored their point about driving it into the black market. That’s not an argument.
The problem with the seat belt analogy is: There's a chance you could die if you don't wear a seat belt, you won't die if you watch porn. It's not a concrete threat, so it can't be applied the same way.
Triggernometry is a channel we as subscribers can be proud of.
Just ban porn and see what happens next.
'The Great Incel Riot of 2024'....ahh I remember it well. Ooops, I've already said too much....
Increase in DV and SA
An increase of lawyer firms blackmailing ordinary citizens after "legally" stealing their internet traffic data would skyrocket. It's already bad enough that law abiding citizens get hurt by similar breaches of privacy right now. How would anyone prove a glitch in a data and their innocence without having access to it yourself or ability to properly read and assess it?
Banning it would cause large percentage of population not only learning to hate the officials but hating the society itself.
Pornhub needs to be held to account or banned from operating. You can't ban porn per se.
Porn has been proven to cook brains like any other drug
don't know why, but I really didn't like her. She just rubbed me the wrong way. Did anyone else get that feeling?
She strikes me as smug
To be honest, I am nicely surprised to see Lila rose on your channel!! Did not expect Triggernometry to be ready for her and especially agree so much with her. I am a fan of both and I can't say how much I have enjoyed seeing you guys pushing her back and her fighting for a more moral & spiritual society. Lila Rose, you're definitely one of my favourite!! A true warrior in action!! God bless this channel & this wonderful lady!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
My thoughts exactly. I was also surprised to see Lila Rose here, but this is good, and kudos to K and F. Who cares if Lila is conservative and Christian, she is one brave lady, with a very important stance that K and F are moving closer to. Yay.
Question that popped into my head while watching - does social media make us worse at the marshmallow test??
I agree with many of her points sex is definitely not just to produce children. Some of us are married and need to connect but absolutely do not have the means or health to bear children. Sex is very pleasurable and absolutely not just for producing children. I feel like this lady might be anti masturbation and probably has some self loathing that she is not aware of.
I also agree that banning porn is a bad idea.
Of course sex trafficking has been going on for a very long time. It is illegal and it still happens. So her idea of banning things is very naive
I dunno, this lady seems on the right track, but probably a little bit too puritanical, like I don't think porn should be outright banned, it should however be regulated far better, it should have more oversight as regards production and the behaviour behind the scenes as well as more input from the women featured in it too but an outright ban seems a bit much.
Also when she says all pornographic material should be criminalised and the people who make it, I mean think of the implication there, she says there is absolutely no good or healthy or ok way for someone to objectify themself for the sexual pleasure of someone else, and I can see her point there, but as a counterpoint, I'm a tradesman (welder) I used to work a job that involved travelling up and down the UK a fair bit, I could be away from home mostly stuck on a jobsite or in a van with a bunch of dudes away from my wife, there would be times where we would stop in a Travelodge or somewhere and my wife knowin I was away for a while, she'd miss me, I'd miss her, we were both horny and she would on occasion take some shall we say risqué photos and send em to me, helped me along venting my frustrations if you get my drift...should that be a crime? I mean she was objectifying herself for my sexual pleasure, she created a pornographic image and distributed it...was that a horrible, unhealthy, degrading thing to do? Or was that just an extension of our regular marital intimacy just accommodating for the fact that we were far awar from each other? It was never anything I asked her to do there was no pressure from me, and on her end hey she's happy that she's the object of my desire and I don't stray...that seems entirely harmless but this lady seems not to agree.
In reference to porn reducing sexual violence I don’t believe it has. I’ve experience sexual violence when I was younger from young men who wouldn’t have had access to porn and the worst sexual violence I’ve experienced was from an ex partner who looking back I’d say was addicted and my last sexual assault was from another man who watched a lot of porn. They might be getting their rocks off more but they also dehumanise woman more
Yeah, I think there is a LOT of baloney about the idea of so-called “pent up” sexual frustration etc. in men out there.
In my experience as a guy, it’s actually nowhere NEAR as simple as the idea that getting “release” reduces your sexual appetite and getting none increases it. In fact, I’ve found that often the opposite happens. Self-indulgence begets more self-indulgence (and the urge for more). Self-denial builds more habits of self-denial (a good quality in all sorts of domains).
So I would doubt very much that p-rn use reduces an individual’s likelihood to be sexually violent, especially since so much of the time it’s FROM p-rn that the idea of even being violent is taught (not in all cases obviously).
I also wonder if the study saying there has been a decrease is due to the fact that girls and women are starting to watch porn more frequently, and are not seeing things done to them as violence because pornography normalizes it so much. I have experienced things in the past that I had seen in porn that in no way were pleasurable, but I shrugged off because it seemed normalized. Now that I no longer consume pornography, I look back in horror.
Sorry, but whether or not porn impacts rates of violence is an empirical question, it does not matter what people believe. Thus far the evidence does not support a positive association. Furthermore, the plural of anecdote is not data and your anecdote does not even hint at a casual role in your circumstance. People can be compulsive/addictive around sex with or without porn and whether they are liable to become aggressive in response to those feelings also has nothing to do with the presence or absence of porn.
@@memeticist Right, I can find several studies supporting either side of the argument on whether porn does or does not help to create harmful sexual behavior. In my personal experience it does, which I do understand is anecdotal. It's certainly something that will continue to reveal itself over time; as hardcore porn being freely accessible to even young children without leaving the house, or even bed is a somewhat new phenomenon with no end in sight. Meanwhile, people like myself and @katc1985 have unfortunately had to grow up in these generations, and experience what very likely seems to be the fruits of this for ourselves.
@@izabellavanryn3531 More research would not be a bad thing. It is well established that premature exposure to sexual material is harmful to children.
That being said, you have in no way established a causal link to porn and your particular unfortunate circumstances. You have noted a correlation occurrence, not a casual one.
Let me restate your example in slightly different terms. My child plays video games. My child has levels of aggression that I deem unwarranted. In my case, I have established that video games caused my child’s aggression.
the most important thing is to restore the value of the existence of every human being - respect for everyone - this is the way to fight pornography and abortion. If you look at the world through this prism, the world will start to change - I know it's a utopia but for me it's the only way
There needs to be a federal “Adults Only” bill. If you want to produce it or watch it fine. You need to prove that your customers are of age and that you are not marketing, whether inadvertently or on purpose, to underage people or exploiting kids. They already have these laws in Utah and Arkansas as well as European countries. Free speech does not include committing crimes.
I agree. People argue with me they don't like that because now there is no privacy. I don't care!! Your privacy is not more important than children's safety. Shit, what about back before internet and people HAD to go to a special store and show an ID.
She is solely ideologically driven. It's pretty apparent she isn't willing to believe any point being brought up as possibly valid.
I've only watched a few minutes of this, but it's a little comical the guys seem to have rented the sort of house that porn companies rent for shoots!
Lila Rose is a legend. So grateful for her for opening my eyes.
I concur!
The thing about Banning things. It's like the eradication of charity within communism. If a person cannot have a choice to do bad or good with their life, instead you are forcing people to be "good" and that doesn't make for a better world because no one is doing it voluntarily.
Not to mention the fact that it just doesn't work. This is why communism collapsed in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.