JOIN our Locals community to hear *Liv* answer audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Introduction 00:37 The Moloch Concept 04:25 Can New Media Solve the Flaws of the Mainstream? 07:32 Is Rage Driving Mainstream Media? 13:28 Having a Shared Reality Without Agreeing on Basic Truths 17:58 How Do We Protect Ourselves from Media Manipulation? 21:51 Sponsor Message: Fum 23:45 How Do We Regulate AI? 26:45 Correlation Between Time Online & Happiness 29:10 AI Risks & Rewards 34:48 Is Poker About Strategy or Luck? 43:58 How Poker Strategies Can Help in Real Life 46:06 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo 47:39 How to Deal with Luck & Randomness 51:32 Controlling Physiological Reactions in Poker 54:58 Winning Poker & Deciding to Stop Playing 59:50 What's the One Thing We're Not Talking About?
For some reason, I do not like her. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. i can't listen to her long enough to even agree or disagree with what she has to say. Something about the way she talks, her general personality. I find it irritating. She seems like a ______h.
And I always loved how right wingers called it the "liberal media" when it was really the corporate media that mostly pimped stories the wealthy owners wanted. And guess what, most of those stories were not liberal. You rarely heard anything serious about labor issues, healthcare reform, political reform, poverty from unaffordable housing and real solutions to all these problems that didn't always end with more tax breaks and privitazation of everything. Instead, we get sensationalist stories about gun violence, social issues like transgenderism, etc.... Things meant to generate fake outrage.
She's spot on with her criticism of traditional news. One thing that has always bothered me is the conflation of "hard news" and opinion. News media used to carefully separate opinion from facts. That does not happen anymore.
I remember when the TV news in the USA would have a commentary segment on the nightly news and they actually would put up on the screen, under the speaker, during it's entirety, "Commentary" so you'd know this wasn't reportage.
Exactly! At school we were taught to distinguish very thoroughly between facts and opinion while researching but also when expressing sth, no matter where. These days it seems opinions already in school are presented as facts.
I remember in that HBO show about a newsroom (I think it was called Newsroom) the lead-anchor mentions in a meeting that journalists over-privilege both sides of the story, but he said that, in truth, one side is often right, so we don’t need to mention both sides (or words to that effect, if I remember it correctly). That struck me as worrying at the time. Now it is par for the course: post-hoc reasoning and selectivity to make any facts to suit the preferred narrative. It is truly hard to believe.
@@PlasticSausagesI think what happened was when they went to hire people who were computer literate, they hired ideological radicals, and of course those ideological radicals are only going to hire people who have the same opinions as them, and that just is a chain reaction
I wish that was true, but for many decades the "MSM" has had a consistently leftward bias. It just is much less subtle and more aggressive and open about it now. Imagine if they told the truth about the Hunter story, about the actual history of Israel v the Arab world, about the reality of Islam and how widely Islamism is accepted within the Muslim world, etc. They deliberately amplify the narratives that support their worldview while demonizing or steadfastly ignoring those that dont. They ARE the enemies of social cohesion (and thus,yes, democracy), as so many people see the ruthless gaslighting they employ while others swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
Something I find really sad... I was a weird awkward teenager in the early 2000s and I struggled to make connections with my peers in school, so I would go online and find communities of weirdos like me from all across the world. Back then, the online culture was so very different. It was predominantly introverts looking for others who would listen to and understand them. Now, as Francis said, the internet makes human connection impossible. It's all clickbait and incendiary headlines and people trying to come up with the cleverest insult. It just seems so sad to me that what once brought people together now serves to tear them down.
Go ‘outside’ and talk to people face to face! It’s brilliant, give it a try! It’s what we used to do (before the world meet mentally ill) I would highly recommend it. 🤷🏻♂️
It wasn’t really bring people together if it was an escape for you to isolate yourself from the people around you. Now if you used the connection with perceived you were making there as a springboard to get out and really meet people where they are.
You're reading too much into it. They're literally clickbait mercinaries looking for a payday, regardless of agenda. You're argument is they are an ideological conspiracy. I would argue the complete opposite. They have a complete lack of any ideology. They are literally agents of chaos.
The Moloch concept made me think of Brazilian educator Paolo Freire, author of "Pedagogy of the Oppressed." This monster literally wrote a book on how to make children into ideological cannon fodder. And it had and has colossal influence on education in the West.
To address her very last statement, the “game” will always be protected by the “players” who it benefits most and those players will attack all other players who attempt to change the game in a way that takes away from those top player’s advantages.
I remember in the early 2000s, not long after I personally discovered the concept of "gender reassignment" and bringing it up to a couple family members of mine. Saying: "But... that's so messed up. You're not actually going from one to the other, you're just staying one with multiple key parts removed. It'd be like ripping two wheels off a car along with the top and trying to push it down a bike path..." And getting responses back like: "Yeah but why do you care?" And around that point? I realized it was already too late. People don't care what's true. They care about avoiding confrontation. Because modern life produces chameleonic milquetoasts. (All those same family members are now multiple vaxxed, and thought BLM was a useful force for positive change.)
It is an odd feature of our time that expressing interest in an idea or concept can be passive-aggressively challenged with the "why do you care?" line.
Whenever i hear the "people should be allowed to live the live they want to live," with the caveat "as long as it doesn't harm other people." It's NOT just that though, it's also "as long as you don't believe that therest of the world has to agree," and after that "as long as it had a basis in reality." You should be able to live a life that is detached from reality, but you must also fully expect to take criticism for it.
If they want to live in delusion, they shouldnt force the rest of us to go along with it, nor should they be protected from them selves. They should have to face the consequences of living in delusion.
Exactly. The analogy I like to use is to imagine a man who thinks his car is a horse. It's harmless if all he wants to do is call it a horse. But when he starts to treat it as such, and more importantly wants everyone else to participate in his delusion, that's when society starts to break down. It's simply not workable.
having just watched the 6 o'clock news and seen a big story was a report on an affair had by a morning television presenter I can definitely confirm that what counts as worthy of national news has changed.
When you are long in the tooth, such as myself, the concept of global warming is daft, because I remember the hysteria about the coming ice age and the solution was exactly the same. Turns out the climate is not particularly stable over the "short" term. So don't try to solve the climate crisis, instead learn to live with whatever mother nature decides she is going to throw at us next.
The climate change obsession is the exact same tendency that certain people have to be "helicopter parents" writ large. It's the over-analyzing of every little hiccup or event, constantly trying to correct and overcorrect then re-correct, when if you'd just leave it alone you'd realize that it is all totally natural and manageable. Listening to people talk breathlessly of droughts lasting a few years or unusually high rain fall is so weird. Do people not read books or stories from times past? Weather had never been especially predictable. Ice sometimes thaws before its expected, warm spells turn snow to rain, cold snaps will freeze rivers or harbors that are usually ice free. All of this happened since prehistory. And now we're led to believe that all of these variations are somehow our fault and (quite convenient) the people who have the most to gain are telling us how to change to mitigate it. All while not changing their own behavior!
I think for the first time in history we have such unprecedented access to what people all over the globe think/feel/demand that it's just impossible to feel like you are making a difference for yourself or people you care about. If you don't feel insignificant because people seem to be living a better life than you, or depressed because you realize how many people are walking around just HATING you because of your immutable characteristics, you are feeling helpless because there is SO much wrong and nothing you can do about it. It's not like people have never felt this way, but at one point it was possible to think you were alone in this feeling. Now, we're all too aware that everyone feels this way.
STOP SAYING “LIKE”…I find it hard to keep listening when I hear like, like, like, and also the incessant “feel like” instead of think. Intelligent, educated people with such interesting ideas talking with like, like, like…..No one thinks anymore…they “feel like”…I hate it. OMG, did I just do hate speech?
"There are far bigger issues than what is a woman", I mean sure? You can say that about literally everything, but for those directly affected - men in women's sports, men in women's changerooms with little girls, lesbians having their spaces overrun by men, etc, it's a huge deal. Liv is lucky if her life is unaffected by it but for a lot of people it's changed their lives.
Yep. Lots of hints that she has her own less-than-universal set of concerns. I suppose from her résumé that she must be really smart, but my impression of her brain was like a rat on ritalin racing on an exercise wheel inside her head. She may do math in her head, but I wouldn't particularly trust her judgement on anything. I'd consider it, but I wouldn't assume it was sound because it came from a brainiac.
It's messed up for sure, but there are bigger issues. Even if it's 100's of events where girls are losing to boys or 10's of scholarships going to a male that was suppose to go to a female, things like child abuse, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, putting an "over active" child on drugs and so much more, effect millions more children to an even harsher degree. To get the majority on your side, it requires mass education. When 60% and more of females support the party that supports males in female sports, it's best to worry about the bigger issues until those females begin to recognize the problem and then would be the best time to fight it. You can't stop the pendulum from swinging, you just have to wait until it's gone as far as it can go and start to come back. You pushing against it may slow it down but it just means it takes that much longer before it swings back.
This is such a great, thought-provoking interview, and validates the theories I started having about the media clickbait arms race. Their thrashing desperation to stay relevant is actively harming our relationship with each other, and reason itself.
Can’t comprehend how someone can recognize and understand the EST tyrannical control yet also being perplexed as to why its fundamental for society to be truthful bout reality and scientific fact 😵💫
As an old fart it's quite reassuring to listen to the younger generation having these kind of conversations. Liv is obviously extremely intelligent and a deep thinker. One criticism, work on doing away with some of the "likes" in your discourse. Thanks for great content.
As another old fart, I found the constant upward inflection at the end of every sentence really, like, distracting? Sigh, I'll go and lie down in a darkened room...
@@zillie8167 like really? Lol I agree. It wasn’t the thoughts but the delivery. It was laborious to get through. It deserves a good nap if you make it.
From a middle age fart that knows the new Generation but also the old one, the difference lies in the fact that young generations are more pragmatic and practical. In contrast to their grandparents They don't try to impress others with their storytelling skills, conversation is seen as a mean to convey a message, it does not need to be linguistically perfect or have estetical value. Hence they often use the term "like" in the sense of saying "you know what I mean, what my feelings are, I don't need to say 100 words to explain it". The use of metaphors in conversation has also seem to have decreased a lot in modern times. What do you think?
As an ex-online poker pro, I must admit it's interesting hearing Liv talking about topics outside poker. I knew her only from that world and did not have a great opinion of her for a variety of reasons that are not important now. She's incredibly insightful on the topic of "moloch", which I heard about first on Lex's podcast through Max Tegmark. I try not to think about it too much because, well, if I do, it fills me with existential dread. Those of us who have kids need to still believe this world can be saved! I really was hoping the conversation wouldn't turn to poker, though when it did, aside from the internal eye-rolling that comes naturally in these situations to any ex-pro (read: "tells" are overrated), I think she nailed down the basic principles behind pro poker in the modern world very well. That being said, I suspect that much like myself and many of the ex-pro friends I have, she really doesn't miss it. All the software, AI, and the lack of any real edges (there just weren't enough bad players left after a while) really destroyed the game -- there's nothing romantic or endearing about it at all anymore -- at least not for those of us who were so deeply entrenched in it once upon a time. I much prefer writing; at least, that is, until AI destroys that job, too. We had a good run, didn't we, humanity? :)
She's got.good points. I still can't get used to grown adults saying stuff like "clickbaity and ragebaity. The lack of an (ing) at the end of certain words and instead adding an annoying "y" really makes intelligent people sound stupid these days, especially Europeans! Also she says "like" almost as much as a sorority chick!
@@DavidNBurnhamparticularly at the start she starts getting into reality Vs someone's perception (even if not based in reality) and never actually comes with an end point or suggestion as to what the compromise is. She complains about bifurcation but that doesn't relate it to one side pushing complete fantasies as reality. She references the dem gop voting split over time but doesn't look at the underlying reasons or proffer a solution
@@DJRockford83 Stop hating the players start hating the game, we need to change the game, is what she said at the end though. Understanding why we are doing what we are doing and working with that is where the actual solutions are. It’s not that she has the solutions, but pointing at who did what is not getting anyone anywhere. The meta as they say. Problem is those things just come down to human nature/psychology, finding a solution there means changing human nature in some way.
Moloch's not a "story." It's what archaeology shows us the pre-Israel Canaanite culture was like. That said, it's a very apt analogy for present-day realities.
"Don't hate the player hate the game" -Money driven woman who ruined a working class persons life in golden balls and who won 1.25 million in a game of poker... It's all very easy to say when it's very easy for you to... say.
She has great points on media but completely lost me on the climate argument as generating energy is a very complex and regionally diverse problem like food, one size simply does not all and it’s fundamental to a person’s well being that can never have a universal narrative.
@@janeiro301 As is climate science. In Australia they pick through 250 years of weather records including and discarding whatever information will make the models show what they want them to.
You cannot create or destroy energy, we have simply found a way to harness the power of stored within fossil fuels…..the future will look more like the past……which was low energy civilisations, more human slavery, animals, wind, water, sunlight…..no electric cars however, sorry about that….
Also quite quickly brushed past the cost-benefit of alternative energy by describing it as "a bit more expensive but clean." That so grossly misrepresents the situation. It's not just a bit more expensive, and it's also not particularly clean.
Elon kept owning and shaming the BBC interviewer. The BBC guy could not get out of there fast enough after being epically bested. That interview was a turning point for some people to see how biased and evil the main stream media has become.
Same. I kind of have a rule of thumb that goes "If you cannot see how your are being manipulated by climate alarmism lies, why should I think you have great insight in other things". There are two kinds of people here, those who gracefully avoid the subject and those you never hear because they are cancelled. The good news is that the silent people are more numerous than you think; at least I have noticed that there are many silent people who dare express their scepticism once I have them one on one and presented some facts that show my views - The problem is that they know something is wrong because all the alarms should ring for anyone with a little observational sense, but they have no information and facts to back it up because that information is being very successfully suppressed on a big scale. The alarmist arguments may seem scientific at a glance and often worded in ways that make it sound like it is very complicated, but if you start from a sceptic base and start picking it apart and listen to counter arguments and data that shows the opposite, you will realize it is just a theory and the "science" behind it is mostly manupulation of data (lies with statistics). You will realize that that climate science is so far from settled or even well understood, it is however very much bought and paid for. The corruption of Academia problem, where administrators funnel money into the "right" conclusions, where publication of science is controlled by people who openly state that they wont publish research that "distort" the climate message.
The best counterargument to the alarmism is that the IPCC predictions for the next century is that average temperatures will rise in the next 100 years as much as they have risen for the last 100 years. Now looking back, I don't know anyone that sees the last 100 years as a climate catastrophe. Therefore why should we be afraid of the next 100 years?
When you're constantly presented with global perceived problems that have no easy fix, it's no wonder people are becoming more radical. I've lost count of how many times I've been told growing up that climate change would be our generation's big fight.
Regarding the trans issue, the reason it blew up and became so decisive is pronouns. Being trans is a personal thing that doesn't really affect anyone other than the person and their romantic partner(s). So people maybe didn't really understand it 10 years ago, but they were mostly tollerant of it. Most typical, non-activist trans people simply want to be refered to as the gender they are obviously trying to portray. MtF try to appear feminine and want to be refered to as she/her. FtM try to appear masculine and want to be refered to as he/him. Very simple and rather obvious. These individuals do not want people asking what their pronouns are, that rather defeats their goals. They generally want to fit into standard male and female roles, they just don't identifiy as the one they were born into. Aka gender dysphoria. Then the loud mouthed activists showed up and started the pronoun wars. They are the ones who introduced non-standard and non-sensical pronounds. Then they wanted to FORCE EVERYONE to use whatever pronouns they choose. They wanted to force behavior onto others. But even that was not enough, they claimed using the erong pronouns was violence and wanted to make it illegal. And, fuck them. Because that is the opposite of tollerance. That is not wanti g to be accepted and have equal rights. That is forcing others to conform to your will and do as you say by force of law. That is why there are ridiculous pronouns, they are not real they are a power trip. They make it obvious to everyone that you have successfully forced others to obey you. This is not tollerance or acceptance and is the opposite of freedom. Which is why the normies suddenly took notice and got pissed. This directly assaulted their rights and freedoms due to compelled speech. Compelled speech is not acceptable under Western values. Which leads me to conclude the massive "trans" issue is made up. Its fake. Marxists and other ideologues who hate Western values created this conflict as a means to subvert and drive a wedge into Western culture. This is not actually about trans people with gender dysphoria. Anti-Western activists have hijacked their movement and subverted it, doing everyone harm in the process.
Also it's been shown that wealthy, powerful men who are afflicted with autogynephilia pumped big money into NGOs and organizations who were promoting queen trans ideology. So they became allies of the social Marxists in disrupting western values and society. Autogynephiles are obsessed with gaining power in order to normalize their kink.
Man, I am embarrassed how fast I clicked on this. I thumbs up’s in one second. As a philosophy hobbits, guitar player and poker player and well a red blooded straight guy…… Beauty, intelligence, charisma and class! Oh and the fucking accent! I just melt. It’s too much. She’s too much. Wow. Just wow.
You should have seen her play in a poker tournament... she was brilliant. Sadly, she has mostly retired from playing professional poker - but there might still be videos here on RUclips.
@@lucasthompson1650 She was a good pro, not "brilliant." Most semi-competent pros know that. Insane variance has the has the potential to fool the human mind -- hell, even Liv herself knows it (and much respect to her for that). Like many good pros, she made some great plays and she made some weak plays; let's not romanticize her simply because you saw an edited version of her win all those years ago and it stuck with you. You are working with two biases here: 1) she's attractive and 2) you are unable to separate the decisions she made from the results they yielded (a true pro must disassociate these things to be successful).
@@lucasthompson1650 That's really cool, but I'm sorry, that's not proof. You need to be a pro and you need to objectively analyze her play over 10,000-50,000 tournaments, not just her play when you didn't see the hole cards over a painfully small sample size. I'm really not trying to be an ass hole here; I'm just telling you, watching someone play live is not enough -- you need to analyze their decisions in the context of all the information they had to make those decisions over a massive sample size. That's professional poker.
@@James-wu2hf Yeah, I get what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right, that IS professional poker. I guess I was speaking more about how impressive she came across as if you watched her play - her style and perceived qualitative ability, not her statistics. I mean, back when I was doing that job (c. 2002-2011), we’d see guys like Negreanu play effortlessly amazing all the time (and guys like Hellmuth effortlessly “scream swear” at inhuman decibel levels). Liv is also total geek. 🤓 Quantum theory, software development, cosmology (she has a physics degree), so I usually describe her with the adjective: “brilliant”. 😎 PS If you’re into how professional poker is changing due to the growing availability of compute cycles, check out Lex Fridman’s interview with Liv.
Now I am old I like to think of lose-WIN situations, being that if I can do something for someone else which cost me very little or next to nothing at all, but they get substantial benefit from my meagre loss, then our whole society benefits from a slight hardship or maybe just a little bit of time or effort on my part to make someone else's situation better by a greater amount than the loss I incur. I don't get into cards anymore now. What I mean is that there can sometimes be better things to do with your life than just winning all the time. Living in a nice world of happy people has some value too. Thanks for a really great interview with a very inspiring young lady.
She doesn't get the trans issue at all. If a civilisation cannot agree on scientific FACTS that have been established for eons then it is in serious trouble. Children being psychologically & sexually abused in plain sight & it being celebrated & encouraged is not a fringe issue. People losing their livelihoods for stating the truth - deeply worrying. The trans issue as it is presented currently has not been around for centuries. I wish she'd had the humility to say she doesn't know much about it or understand it because she clearly doesn't. I tuned out.
So you disregard someone completely because some of their views might be uninformed at this time? The irony of saying that under this particular video where she speaks about neutralising polarisation in this world
@@DarkAngel2512I watched the whole thing and I even went to see some of her content in her own channel. So no, I did not disregard her but she is not as intelligent as she seems. She has some good problem solving skills/mental abilities but when it comes to important topics, she is just another brainwashed soul. You need to have courage to question mainstream narratives and, sadly, she does not have much of that yet. Metaphorically speaking, this would mean to take a stand against Moloch.
I'm always shocked at how many people just treat "climate change" like it's something that HAS to be combated. That's like combating rain, or snow, or sunshine. It's something that just happens and it shouldn't be messed with. Sure, she means man-made climate change but there is no know correlation between man and the changing of the climate. Even if there was, there's solid information that says trying to "combat" what some people think causes man-made climate change actually costs lives and welfare of people. She even says so at 11:00. It's as if people must live poor or even die just to hope to prevent something that has always happened.
@@GThomas-qq6mp "The idea of social polarisation is the idea that polarises". What idea? "Once you believe it, you believe we are divided". Once you believe what?
@@GThomas-qq6mpwhen you compromise over and over again and it's never enough then your opponent has no intention of ever stopping or ever coming to a position of balance. It's no good being morally good if your opponent doesn't value that and sees it as weakness
I play poker too so I understand the temptation to think of systems in society in terms of game theory etc. But "Race to the bottom systems" etc is not even close to what has happened to the media imo: In short they went bankrupt due to the competition of the internet a good decade ago, and after that they have been mainly selling influence/producing propaganda, to whoever pays the best. The Washingyon Post for example loses tens of millions every year and yet Bezos keeps financing it, to put out the kind of content he wants them to. Its not entertainment but falsehoods and a skewed worldview being sold there for his own personal gain. Whatever that gain might be. People who share that faulty worldview being sold, simply refuse to hear it's manufactured. The same can be said for any MSM news outlet now as the intelligence agencies or individual Billionaires control all of them now. FBI even controlled the messaging in rap lyrics in the 80s and 90s, probably still do.
As far as I can tell, it was always that way. Noam Chompski was talking about the manufacturing of consent in like the late 70s or early 80s afaik. That was well after basically all the media was owned by a small number of conglomerates that had them as theirs own personal propaganda arms. I've been telling people for years that it's probably always been worth it to run a media company, even at a loss, for big entities like that. If the media company is at least profitable enough to be self sustaining, let alone profitable, it's just a bonus, not necessary or even the main goal. Look at the acquisition of Twitter. It had to be forced by leveraging fiduciary duties because the previous key* owners prior were more than happy to run it as a continuous squanderous loss so long as they had control over the conversation. I hold that most if not all major media is like that. And I'd wager the tech giants maintain monopolies through illegitimate means in cooperation with banks and government for the same reason. And as much as I like Musk and hope I'm wrong about the next thought, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Twitter acquisition was in part just to keep people on the plantation and forestall kinetic confict by just getting rid of the most obvious and egregious examples of abuse that could no longer be denied.
FUN FACT: The one mention of Molech in the Bible comes in Leviticus' list of sexual sins (e.g., adultery, bestiality, homosexuality) because sacrificing their children was basically how they did abortion back then (i.e., by subjecting your children to human sacrifice, same as today) -- meaning abortion is actually included in the list of the Bible's sexual sins.
Even though Glenn Beck is like an annoying little brother he hits on something every so often that is so correct that I have to keep an ear on him. Last April he did a 90 min. sit-down with this rabbi whose name I've forgotten (sorry!) who does a really deep dive into this and related topics going back to the ancient Greeks where Moloch features in the narrative periodically. I played that episode from Beck's podcast for my husband and my sister. I'll check to see if they can remember the rabbi's name. If they get back quickly I'll come back and add it on to this thread Michael.
Except that there is so much deception that people are unable to distinguish those. I see it in people every day. Everyone think they are "right" and others are wrong and bad, they think the world is black and white, but it is just because they stopped thinking critically and questining things because it is inconvenient and they want to fit in. One rule of thumb in the (old term) information age (aka the age of power through information control), is that the more someone is pushing information with "truth" as a main component and often with emotional manipulation mixed in, the more sceptic you should be because that is most likely where there is a hidden lie - And these people can be completely convinced that they are on the side of truth and love.... just like you and me.
Omg the simping going on in the comments is insane. She wasn't saying anything that ground breaking or particularly insightful. Get a grip and get outside guys
I know right. It's like people only have a historical frame of reference going back five years. This bird is just making up new terminology for stuff that has been going on as long as propaganda has been around. Because that's all it is once you get past the esoteric language etc, media is used as a propaganda tool to control the sheeple. No durrrr. Has it become a bit of different beast with technology, of course. But same thing happened when we moved from newspapers to radio then to TV. Should something be done about it? Yes, that would be nice. But then explain the situation clearly and stop referring to weird bible demons. Lord.
I've been noticing more and more scrolling through facebook how a lot of stuff turns up on my feed that seems determined to annoy me, it's only one side of every argument - but never the side I support. It has helped me stay off social media and that can't be bad.
I can't believe this woman got away with so much bs about climate change and the pandemic and no one challenged her! Not a real interview when your guest can say whatever they want and no one challenge them
Some form of this was always going to happen when trans became a mainstream issue. Gay marriage won its battles then trans stepped up to the plate and said hold my beer.
Maybe it bc I’m watching this while sick with the flu, but I’m having a really hard time connecting to this conversation. When asked about the benefits of artificial intelligence, she said AI could develop drugs for future pandemics? Girl no.
Honest journalists serve in a fiduciary capacity to the citizens to investigate and expose corruption especially concerning our governments and corporations. It is a way to hold specific individuals accountable for their actions while reminding others that they will be held accountable. Every politician and unelected bureaucrat (all public servants) should welcome and fully expect to be scrutinized for their performance. Legacy news (msm) should be held accountable and "called out" for their lies, but how?
I've been a fan of Liv since she exploded on the poker scene. I could never play against her. I find her insanely attractive. That alone would make me lose ignoring that she has a degree in astrophysics and has done an insane amount of study of game theory and applying it to her poker game
I always said that as soon as the news media “& the news media has always been sketchy anyway” starts using Twitter posts as news headlines we are In trouble!
I think it started in the universities in the 1960's. People who were brainwashed by feminism and revolution went out in the world, and the media companies and pushed these agendas. Then the left political parties discovered they can exploit it for political power,
If the inability to “coordinate” is the end result, then that sounds like a good thing. Because when she says “coordinate” it sounds a lot like the people in power (governments and trans-governmental institutions) coercing everyone to follow their whims-just look at the examples she cites: Covid, climate change, etc. We’ve had quite enough “coordination” along those lines, thank you very much.
Liv, you were lovely! "A minefield we have to get through and then aweeeee..." You two guys were also amazing, giving the stage to her, only uttering what was really necessary... Flawless! Thank you!🙂
I love this interview- what a brilliant woman. She recognizes the problems of environmental depletion. There's only so much silicon on the planet! Only so many trees and the forests are falling. These are just facts of living on a finite planet. She's very in touch with reality in a comprehensive way.
Although yes, most rocks are called silicates for a reason. About 27% of the crust is made from it. By the time we'd run out of silicon, we'd have to have scraped the entire crust. Pretty sure we'd be able to mine other planets /asteroids before we reach that point
I'm fairly new to your channel. I like your show. It's unusual in that there are three people, and at any time, two of those people are listening. It's quite refreshing.
«The medium is the message» “The medium is the message” is a phrase created by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived. The aphorism has become a frequently cited phrase in the study of digital humanities, as well as in pop culture. The phrase “the medium is the message” means that content and medium are intertwined, so the central message or effect of something is not in the content it carries, but in the way it is presented. McLuhan applies the statement to a number of technologies, mediums, and social and historical contexts. For example, in the book Understanding Media: Extensions of Man, he relates the concept to electric light, calling it “pure information”. Throughout his source text, McLuhan states that the message of the medium is the “change of scale or pace or pattern that it introduces into human affairs”. The actual content of a piece of technology is not what proves what it means, but the technology is defined by the way it interacts with society as a whole. For example, the landmark advancement of the creation of written word is not defined by the words written, but how the technology changed the cultures it was introduced into. Advancements in technology of communication, he states, are the driving force behind societal change - not what is being communicated. Another notable example that McLuhan presents in the text is the electric light, a medium he claims has no direct content within itself, but has a message and dramatic cultural impact in the effects it had on society. With the invention of electric light, hours of darkness became instantly more usable, therefore changing to societal landscape. It is within this change that the message of electric light comes.
This started from feminism. Technology always precipitates empathy on the mean but greed at the top. This is essentially the NPC meme but what really floundered this direction was indeed feminism and the birth control pill from the 60's.
What a great guest - Liv is one of my favorite poker players and now I see that she is a brilliant mind across the board (can't say I'm surprised, TBH) As for the question about what poker can teach you about life. I think one lesson that poker teaches is about changing your beliefs and your behavior when the situation changes. When a Hold 'Em player is dealt pocket aces, they correctly say to themselves "I have the best hand", but a poor player will continue to tell themselves they have a great hand no matter what cards come out on the flop, turn and river. They don't reassess the value of their hole cards based on the changing context.
This all on point, but I"m amazed that next generations obfuscate or are ignorant of the real reality that's been know for over 20,000 years. However, you guys continue to do great work. Keep it up.
Perhaps we need to rediscover the "stiff upper lip" and think more and feel less. Humans evolved their cerebral vortex to think their way out of problems that a fight or flight response couldn't solve. Now, we are doing two things: 1. Throwing away our own capacity to think by making feelings front and center. The essence of being an adult as opposed to a teen is realising that feeling gets you into trouble, thinking gets you out of it. 2. We're creating technology that is better at thinking than we are.
We got into the mess with over thinking and too much logical thinking (mix in lacking empathy and dismissing others reality) that got over compensated with emotional responses.
I'd suggest that its the intrusion of government into the management of issues that causes many of the problems. We may need governments to shield their countries from unfair external factors, but to interfere less with their internal economic and social systems. "Managing" and coordination at a global scale is what we had with covid, and it was a disaster. The "hands off" approach also solves some of the "can't agree on truth" issues. The reason people get upset is not that there is disagreement, but that one group either imposes their will on another, or one group/view gets funded by some group pot of money, such as tax or insurance.
I think the Amish are on to something, 20 years ago I would had told you they stuck in the past. Today I say that life style seems more and more attractive. Any one of them could tell me what a woman is in a nano second, without umming and arring.
I first heard about the Moloch concept from Max Tegmark who commented on its presence in the current AI race. Which seems true. Is there any way of avoiding Moloch where financial incentives & competition are involved?
Social media friendships on social media are real friendships other than to check in and see if you are on the same page which can change at a whim. Asking for assistance over social media to the "friends" rarely yields any meaningful result beyond the rare donation that may never happen. How amazing is social media, really?
But actually this is what's going to save the world. People tune in for an emotional frequency. Once we discover a higher emotional frequency, which is associated with the divine, love and spirituality, we realize everything is false. Only love is real. Everything is designed to show us that we are buying into emotional frequencies of division and fighting. Thanks God for media exaggerating this so we can release it for good. This is a very necessary step.
I'm automatically suspicious of anyone with "Chris Williamson" levels of attractiveness. Hearing about a desire for fame - from applying to tons of game shows - cements my negative view of this speaker.
Great episode, never heard of Liv before, but she spoke well, intelligent, sensible, humble and evidenced self reflection. And I’m going to say it, really rather hot.
The trans issue really is important. Children and vulnerable people are having their lives permanently, surgically and chemically deformed, their futures destroyed, to generate profit. It’s happening by the 1000s every day. It matters.
Remember when they moved the golden statue of Molech to the Roman colosseum for display. Interesting it was displayed in the colosseum. A place of war and struggle
Here’s the problem with all of her arguments about the current world situation: they rely on the presupposition of organic emergence and what is essentially “coincidence”. But what if what’s happening actually IS organized intentionally? She keeps wanting to duck from any implication that this might be the case (I’m guessing because it seems distasteful and intellectually dishonest), but if we are to keep all possibilities open, I think the honest thing to do is also entertain that possibility
She is spot on. Perverse incentives are at the bottom \ root of just about every major problem modernity is facing. But fear and shame trump rage\anger ... virtually everyone is triggered by the first two and those first two are often at the roto of anger.
Why does the background of this video change so drastically? In some close up shots the young lady has a wall to her left with a large blooming plant in the corner but in shots showing her and the men there is no wall to her left, only a staircase. What’s up?
Welcome to the world of viewing angles. You ever walked around a corner in your life, revealing what was behind that you couldn't see before? I know, it's mind blowing, if you're 1 year old.
The actual reason we had so many nuclear weapons has a lot to do with the amount of time it takes for nuclear fissionable material to degrade. If I remember it's only seven years so to maintain a viable stock of missiles they do need to be replaced. As an example the US had so limited the USSR's access to viable weapons grade material that by the time the USSR fell they didn't have any viable missiles and hadn't for quite a long time. And yes, that does mean the Cold War was a sham to maintain military spending for probably the last twenty years or so of it.
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CHAPTERS👇
00:00 Introduction
00:37 The Moloch Concept
04:25 Can New Media Solve the Flaws of the Mainstream?
07:32 Is Rage Driving Mainstream Media?
13:28 Having a Shared Reality Without Agreeing on Basic Truths
17:58 How Do We Protect Ourselves from Media Manipulation?
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23:45 How Do We Regulate AI?
26:45 Correlation Between Time Online & Happiness
29:10 AI Risks & Rewards
34:48 Is Poker About Strategy or Luck?
43:58 How Poker Strategies Can Help in Real Life
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47:39 How to Deal with Luck & Randomness
51:32 Controlling Physiological Reactions in Poker
54:58 Winning Poker & Deciding to Stop Playing
59:50 What's the One Thing We're Not Talking About?
Ttriggonometry you have become completely unreliable in your criticism of the media since you support Israel.
For some reason, I do not like her. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. i can't listen to her long enough to even agree or disagree with what she has to say. Something about the way she talks, her general personality. I find it irritating. She seems like a ______h.
And I always loved how right wingers called it the "liberal media" when it was really the corporate media that mostly pimped stories the wealthy owners wanted. And guess what, most of those stories were not liberal. You rarely heard anything serious about labor issues, healthcare reform, political reform, poverty from unaffordable housing and real solutions to all these problems that didn't always end with more tax breaks and privitazation of everything.
Instead, we get sensationalist stories about gun violence, social issues like transgenderism, etc.... Things meant to generate fake outrage.
@@karo2090And who might you be?
Even more reason to like Triggernometry
She's spot on with her criticism of traditional news. One thing that has always bothered me is the conflation of "hard news" and opinion. News media used to carefully separate opinion from facts. That does not happen anymore.
I remember when the TV news in the USA would have a commentary segment on the nightly news and they actually would put up on the screen, under the speaker, during it's entirety,
"Commentary" so you'd know this wasn't reportage.
Exactly! At school we were taught to distinguish very thoroughly between facts and opinion while researching but also when expressing sth, no matter where. These days it seems opinions already in school are presented as facts.
I remember in that HBO show about a newsroom (I think it was called Newsroom) the lead-anchor mentions in a meeting that journalists over-privilege both sides of the story, but he said that, in truth, one side is often right, so we don’t need to mention both sides (or words to that effect, if I remember it correctly). That struck me as worrying at the time. Now it is par for the course: post-hoc reasoning and selectivity to make any facts to suit the preferred narrative. It is truly hard to believe.
@@PlasticSausagesI think what happened was when they went to hire people who were computer literate, they hired ideological radicals, and of course those ideological radicals are only going to hire people who have the same opinions as them, and that just is a chain reaction
I wish that was true, but for many decades the "MSM" has had a consistently leftward bias. It just is much less subtle and more aggressive and open about it now. Imagine if they told the truth about the Hunter story, about the actual history of Israel v the Arab world, about the reality of Islam and how widely Islamism is accepted within the Muslim world, etc. They deliberately amplify the narratives that support their worldview while demonizing or steadfastly ignoring those that dont. They ARE the enemies of social cohesion (and thus,yes, democracy), as so many people see the ruthless gaslighting they employ while others swallow it hook, line, and sinker.
Something I find really sad... I was a weird awkward teenager in the early 2000s and I struggled to make connections with my peers in school, so I would go online and find communities of weirdos like me from all across the world. Back then, the online culture was so very different. It was predominantly introverts looking for others who would listen to and understand them. Now, as Francis said, the internet makes human connection impossible. It's all clickbait and incendiary headlines and people trying to come up with the cleverest insult. It just seems so sad to me that what once brought people together now serves to tear them down.
Ahh yes, the pre-normie internet. Good times
Well put, this tech divides every bit as it unites.
It still exists.
Go ‘outside’ and talk to people face to face! It’s brilliant, give it a try! It’s what we used to do (before the world meet mentally ill) I would highly recommend it. 🤷🏻♂️
It wasn’t really bring people together if it was an escape for you to isolate yourself from the people around you. Now if you used the connection with perceived you were making there as a springboard to get out and really meet people where they are.
Informing is not the purpose of the media. Behavior modification is the purpose of the media.
Always has been. People have memories of goldfish and zero knowledge of history.
Well - it is now..
That's why it called programing..
You're reading too much into it. They're literally clickbait mercinaries looking for a payday, regardless of agenda. You're argument is they are an ideological conspiracy. I would argue the complete opposite. They have a complete lack of any ideology. They are literally agents of chaos.
The Moloch concept made me think of Brazilian educator Paolo Freire, author of "Pedagogy of the Oppressed."
This monster literally wrote a book on how to make children into ideological cannon fodder. And it had and has colossal influence on education in the West.
To address her very last statement, the “game” will always be protected by the “players” who it benefits most and those players will attack all other players who attempt to change the game in a way that takes away from those top player’s advantages.
yeah..
I remember in the early 2000s, not long after I personally discovered the concept of "gender reassignment" and bringing it up to a couple family members of mine. Saying:
"But... that's so messed up. You're not actually going from one to the other, you're just staying one with multiple key parts removed. It'd be like ripping two wheels off a car along with the top and trying to push it down a bike path..."
And getting responses back like:
"Yeah but why do you care?"
And around that point? I realized it was already too late. People don't care what's true. They care about avoiding confrontation. Because modern life produces chameleonic milquetoasts.
(All those same family members are now multiple vaxxed, and thought BLM was a useful force for positive change.)
Well, at least they were smart enough to listen to the medical experts and get themselves vaxed.
@@karagi101 Medical Warfare Complex?
@@williambranch4283 No. Tin Foil Hat Conspiracies Complex.
It is an odd feature of our time that expressing interest in an idea or concept can be passive-aggressively challenged with the "why do you care?" line.
How about "How can you NOT care" strange times & AI WILL bring about Stranger times!
Whenever i hear the "people should be allowed to live the live they want to live," with the caveat "as long as it doesn't harm other people." It's NOT just that though, it's also "as long as you don't believe that therest of the world has to agree," and after that "as long as it had a basis in reality."
You should be able to live a life that is detached from reality, but you must also fully expect to take criticism for it.
That's a good point
If they want to live in delusion, they shouldnt force the rest of us to go along with it, nor should they be protected from them selves. They should have to face the consequences of living in delusion.
Tolerance.
Expecting others to take part in your delusion completely satisfies the definition of harmful.
Exactly. The analogy I like to use is to imagine a man who thinks his car is a horse. It's harmless if all he wants to do is call it a horse. But when he starts to treat it as such, and more importantly wants everyone else to participate in his delusion, that's when society starts to break down. It's simply not workable.
having just watched the 6 o'clock news and seen a big story was a report on an affair had by a morning television presenter I can definitely confirm that what counts as worthy of national news has changed.
It's just smoke and mirrors.
If they'd be reporting on actual events in or the state of the country, there'd be riots within days
Ain’t that the truth!
Sadly so. Isn't it? :( Irrelevant shyt.
When you are long in the tooth, such as myself, the concept of global warming is daft, because I remember the hysteria about the coming ice age and the solution was exactly the same. Turns out the climate is not particularly stable over the "short" term. So don't try to solve the climate crisis, instead learn to live with whatever mother nature decides she is going to throw at us next.
That's far too sensible.
@@vanessac1721 I'll take it.
Be full of care, you might seem reasonable, ? thoughtful
Be Well Friend.
The climate change obsession is the exact same tendency that certain people have to be "helicopter parents" writ large. It's the over-analyzing of every little hiccup or event, constantly trying to correct and overcorrect then re-correct, when if you'd just leave it alone you'd realize that it is all totally natural and manageable. Listening to people talk breathlessly of droughts lasting a few years or unusually high rain fall is so weird. Do people not read books or stories from times past? Weather had never been especially predictable. Ice sometimes thaws before its expected, warm spells turn snow to rain, cold snaps will freeze rivers or harbors that are usually ice free. All of this happened since prehistory. And now we're led to believe that all of these variations are somehow our fault and (quite convenient) the people who have the most to gain are telling us how to change to mitigate it. All while not changing their own behavior!
@@damonreitmeier4539 Thank you.
I really enjoy the format of this podcast - it catalyzes really interesting conversations & Liv was no exception. Keep going guys
Sure it “looks” like a podcast…
I think for the first time in history we have such unprecedented access to what people all over the globe think/feel/demand that it's just impossible to feel like you are making a difference for yourself or people you care about. If you don't feel insignificant because people seem to be living a better life than you, or depressed because you realize how many people are walking around just HATING you because of your immutable characteristics, you are feeling helpless because there is SO much wrong and nothing you can do about it. It's not like people have never felt this way, but at one point it was possible to think you were alone in this feeling. Now, we're all too aware that everyone feels this way.
Dont underestimate your impact on the world. Lets not forget how we got here in the first place. A slow drip can create a flood.
Fascinating comment
STOP SAYING “LIKE”…I find it hard to keep listening when I hear like, like, like, and also the incessant “feel like” instead of think. Intelligent, educated people with such interesting ideas talking with like, like, like…..No one thinks anymore…they “feel like”…I hate it. OMG, did I just do hate speech?
I've given your comment a like.
"There are far bigger issues than what is a woman", I mean sure? You can say that about literally everything, but for those directly affected - men in women's sports, men in women's changerooms with little girls, lesbians having their spaces overrun by men, etc, it's a huge deal. Liv is lucky if her life is unaffected by it but for a lot of people it's changed their lives.
Yep. Lots of hints that she has her own less-than-universal set of concerns. I suppose from her résumé that she must be really smart, but my impression of her brain was like a rat on ritalin racing on an exercise wheel inside her head. She may do math in her head, but I wouldn't particularly trust her judgement on anything. I'd consider it, but I wouldn't assume it was sound because it came from a brainiac.
It's messed up for sure, but there are bigger issues. Even if it's 100's of events where girls are losing to boys or 10's of scholarships going to a male that was suppose to go to a female, things like child abuse, mask mandates, vaccine mandates, putting an "over active" child on drugs and so much more, effect millions more children to an even harsher degree. To get the majority on your side, it requires mass education. When 60% and more of females support the party that supports males in female sports, it's best to worry about the bigger issues until those females begin to recognize the problem and then would be the best time to fight it. You can't stop the pendulum from swinging, you just have to wait until it's gone as far as it can go and start to come back. You pushing against it may slow it down but it just means it takes that much longer before it swings back.
This is such a great, thought-provoking interview, and validates the theories I started having about the media clickbait arms race. Their thrashing desperation to stay relevant is actively harming our relationship with each other, and reason itself.
Can’t comprehend how someone can recognize and understand the EST tyrannical control yet also being perplexed as to why its fundamental for society to be truthful bout reality and scientific fact 😵💫
As an old fart it's quite reassuring to listen to the younger generation having these kind of conversations. Liv is obviously extremely intelligent and a deep thinker. One criticism, work on doing away with some of the "likes" in your discourse. Thanks for great content.
As another old fart, I found the constant upward inflection at the end of every sentence really, like, distracting? Sigh, I'll go and lie down in a darkened room...
@@zillie8167 like really? Lol
I agree. It wasn’t the thoughts but the delivery. It was laborious to get through. It deserves a good nap if you make it.
From a middle age fart that knows the new Generation but also the old one, the difference lies in the fact that young generations are more pragmatic and practical. In contrast to their grandparents They don't try to impress others with their storytelling skills, conversation is seen as a mean to convey a message, it does not need to be linguistically perfect or have estetical value. Hence they often use the term "like" in the sense of saying "you know what I mean, what my feelings are, I don't need to say 100 words to explain it". The use of metaphors in conversation has also seem to have decreased a lot in modern times.
What do you think?
@@johnwayne2140 oh you mean like their grandparents used the phrase, “you know”?
I’m young, and I’m glad there’s other people like me. Not all of us are gender queer race baiting psychos 🤣
She was doing so well until she mentioned climate change... ☹
As an ex-online poker pro, I must admit it's interesting hearing Liv talking about topics outside poker. I knew her only from that world and did not have a great opinion of her for a variety of reasons that are not important now. She's incredibly insightful on the topic of "moloch", which I heard about first on Lex's podcast through Max Tegmark. I try not to think about it too much because, well, if I do, it fills me with existential dread. Those of us who have kids need to still believe this world can be saved!
I really was hoping the conversation wouldn't turn to poker, though when it did, aside from the internal eye-rolling that comes naturally in these situations to any ex-pro (read: "tells" are overrated), I think she nailed down the basic principles behind pro poker in the modern world very well. That being said, I suspect that much like myself and many of the ex-pro friends I have, she really doesn't miss it. All the software, AI, and the lack of any real edges (there just weren't enough bad players left after a while) really destroyed the game -- there's nothing romantic or endearing about it at all anymore -- at least not for those of us who were so deeply entrenched in it once upon a time.
I much prefer writing; at least, that is, until AI destroys that job, too. We had a good run, didn't we, humanity? :)
She's got.good points. I still can't get used to grown adults saying stuff like "clickbaity and ragebaity. The lack of an (ing) at the end of certain words and instead adding an annoying "y" really makes intelligent people sound stupid these days, especially Europeans! Also she says "like" almost as much as a sorority chick!
Not just her. 26:45 is so spot-on.
Today Moloch demands more children than ever. Both trans and unborn. We live in a nasty world.
Yes indeed. We live in societies where every abomination to God is legal and glorified.
She's so close to getting it and yet so far
enlighten us. what does she miss in your opinion?
@@DavidNBurnhamparticularly at the start she starts getting into reality Vs someone's perception (even if not based in reality) and never actually comes with an end point or suggestion as to what the compromise is. She complains about bifurcation but that doesn't relate it to one side pushing complete fantasies as reality. She references the dem gop voting split over time but doesn't look at the underlying reasons or proffer a solution
@@DJRockford83 Is there a solution?
@@DJRockford83 Stop hating the players start hating the game, we need to change the game, is what she said at the end though.
Understanding why we are doing what we are doing and working with that is where the actual solutions are. It’s not that she has the solutions, but pointing at who did what is not getting anyone anywhere. The meta as they say.
Problem is those things just come down to human nature/psychology, finding a solution there means changing human nature in some way.
@@DJRockford83Both sides push fantasy as reality. That's the overarching point she was making
Moloch's not a "story." It's what archaeology shows us the pre-Israel Canaanite culture was like. That said, it's a very apt analogy for present-day realities.
Apparently they still worship him down at Bohemian Grove
Are you saying Moloch is real?
She's definitely saying words, I'll give her that
"Don't hate the player hate the game"
-Money driven woman who ruined a working class persons life in golden balls and who won 1.25 million in a game of poker...
It's all very easy to say when it's very easy for you to... say.
How did she ruin a person's life?
Wow! She Pointed out what everyone has been saying for decades. Good for her.
Not just her. 26:45 is so spot-on.
She has great points on media but completely lost me on the climate argument as generating energy is a very complex and regionally diverse problem like food, one size simply does not all and it’s fundamental to a person’s well being that can never have a universal narrative.
Same here.
And pandemics relation to AI, she doesn't know that this one was based on doubtful at least statistics and pushed by computer models
@@janeiro301 As is climate science. In Australia they pick through 250 years of weather records including and discarding whatever information will make the models show what they want them to.
You cannot create or destroy energy, we have simply found a way to harness the power of stored within fossil fuels…..the future will look more like the past……which was low energy civilisations, more human slavery, animals, wind, water, sunlight…..no electric cars however, sorry about that….
Also quite quickly brushed past the cost-benefit of alternative energy by describing it as "a bit more expensive but clean." That so grossly misrepresents the situation. It's not just a bit more expensive, and it's also not particularly clean.
Elon kept owning and shaming the BBC interviewer. The BBC guy could not get out of there fast enough after being epically bested. That interview was a turning point for some people to see how biased and evil the main stream media has become.
Lost me at her climate change nonsense
Same. I kind of have a rule of thumb that goes "If you cannot see how your are being manipulated by climate alarmism lies, why should I think you have great insight in other things".
There are two kinds of people here, those who gracefully avoid the subject and those you never hear because they are cancelled.
The good news is that the silent people are more numerous than you think; at least I have noticed that there are many silent people who dare express their scepticism once I have them one on one and presented some facts that show my views - The problem is that they know something is wrong because all the alarms should ring for anyone with a little observational sense, but they have no information and facts to back it up because that information is being very successfully suppressed on a big scale.
The alarmist arguments may seem scientific at a glance and often worded in ways that make it sound like it is very complicated, but if you start from a sceptic base and start picking it apart and listen to counter arguments and data that shows the opposite, you will realize it is just a theory and the "science" behind it is mostly manupulation of data (lies with statistics). You will realize that that climate science is so far from settled or even well understood, it is however very much bought and paid for. The corruption of Academia problem, where administrators funnel money into the "right" conclusions, where publication of science is controlled by people who openly state that they wont publish research that "distort" the climate message.
The best counterargument to the alarmism is that the IPCC predictions for the next century is that average temperatures will rise in the next 100 years as much as they have risen for the last 100 years.
Now looking back, I don't know anyone that sees the last 100 years as a climate catastrophe. Therefore why should we be afraid of the next 100 years?
It’s an interesting point and her ideas are interesting as well. But. Her every other word is ‘like’ . I could not take it after 20 min.
The end justifies the means is definitely a lot more common today than it used to be.
When you're constantly presented with global perceived problems that have no easy fix, it's no wonder people are becoming more radical. I've lost count of how many times I've been told growing up that climate change would be our generation's big fight.
Regarding the trans issue, the reason it blew up and became so decisive is pronouns. Being trans is a personal thing that doesn't really affect anyone other than the person and their romantic partner(s). So people maybe didn't really understand it 10 years ago, but they were mostly tollerant of it.
Most typical, non-activist trans people simply want to be refered to as the gender they are obviously trying to portray. MtF try to appear feminine and want to be refered to as she/her. FtM try to appear masculine and want to be refered to as he/him. Very simple and rather obvious. These individuals do not want people asking what their pronouns are, that rather defeats their goals. They generally want to fit into standard male and female roles, they just don't identifiy as the one they were born into. Aka gender dysphoria.
Then the loud mouthed activists showed up and started the pronoun wars. They are the ones who introduced non-standard and non-sensical pronounds. Then they wanted to FORCE EVERYONE to use whatever pronouns they choose. They wanted to force behavior onto others. But even that was not enough, they claimed using the erong pronouns was violence and wanted to make it illegal.
And, fuck them. Because that is the opposite of tollerance. That is not wanti g to be accepted and have equal rights. That is forcing others to conform to your will and do as you say by force of law. That is why there are ridiculous pronouns, they are not real they are a power trip. They make it obvious to everyone that you have successfully forced others to obey you. This is not tollerance or acceptance and is the opposite of freedom. Which is why the normies suddenly took notice and got pissed. This directly assaulted their rights and freedoms due to compelled speech. Compelled speech is not acceptable under Western values.
Which leads me to conclude the massive "trans" issue is made up. Its fake. Marxists and other ideologues who hate Western values created this conflict as a means to subvert and drive a wedge into Western culture. This is not actually about trans people with gender dysphoria. Anti-Western activists have hijacked their movement and subverted it, doing everyone harm in the process.
Also it's been shown that wealthy, powerful men who are afflicted with autogynephilia pumped big money into NGOs and organizations who were promoting queen trans ideology. So they became allies of the social Marxists in disrupting western values and society. Autogynephiles are obsessed with gaining power in order to normalize their kink.
The most beautiful woman ever on Triggernometry. Well done Konstantin😊
A very versatile and eloquent guest.
I could not listen to it ... she said "like" between even word! That's not eloquent in my definition.
Man, I am embarrassed how fast I clicked on this. I thumbs up’s in one second.
As a philosophy hobbits, guitar player and poker player and well a red blooded straight guy……
Beauty, intelligence, charisma and class! Oh and the fucking accent! I just melt.
It’s too much. She’s too much. Wow. Just wow.
What an interesting person Liv is. Good to hear such an intelligent woman talking and zero word salad. Great stuff
You should have seen her play in a poker tournament... she was brilliant. Sadly, she has mostly retired from playing professional poker - but there might still be videos here on RUclips.
@@lucasthompson1650 She was a good pro, not "brilliant." Most semi-competent pros know that. Insane variance has the has the potential to fool the human mind -- hell, even Liv herself knows it (and much respect to her for that). Like many good pros, she made some great plays and she made some weak plays; let's not romanticize her simply because you saw an edited version of her win all those years ago and it stuck with you. You are working with two biases here: 1) she's attractive and 2) you are unable to separate the decisions she made from the results they yielded (a true pro must disassociate these things to be successful).
@@James-wu2hf Actually, I used to work for one of the companies that ran WSOP, I know Liv, and trust me, she’s brilliant.
@@lucasthompson1650 That's really cool, but I'm sorry, that's not proof. You need to be a pro and you need to objectively analyze her play over 10,000-50,000 tournaments, not just her play when you didn't see the hole cards over a painfully small sample size. I'm really not trying to be an ass hole here; I'm just telling you, watching someone play live is not enough -- you need to analyze their decisions in the context of all the information they had to make those decisions over a massive sample size. That's professional poker.
@@James-wu2hf Yeah, I get what you’re saying and you’re absolutely right, that IS professional poker.
I guess I was speaking more about how impressive she came across as if you watched her play - her style and perceived qualitative ability, not her statistics.
I mean, back when I was doing that job (c. 2002-2011), we’d see guys like Negreanu play effortlessly amazing all the time (and guys like Hellmuth effortlessly “scream swear” at inhuman decibel levels).
Liv is also total geek. 🤓
Quantum theory, software development, cosmology (she has a physics degree), so I usually describe her with the adjective: “brilliant”. 😎
PS If you’re into how professional poker is changing due to the growing availability of compute cycles, check out Lex Fridman’s interview with Liv.
This woman is off about the trans issues and the relationship with the media and everything she said about "climate change"
The irony of talking about broken media and saying that the "climate crisis" should be solved the way the media has led her to believe.
I’m happy to announce that Liv and I are getting married! You guys please let her know, thanks.
Now I am old I like to think of lose-WIN situations, being that if I can do something for someone else which cost me very little or next to nothing at all, but they get substantial benefit from my meagre loss, then our whole society benefits from a slight hardship or maybe just a little bit of time or effort on my part to make someone else's situation better by a greater amount than the loss I incur. I don't get into cards anymore now. What I mean is that there can sometimes be better things to do with your life than just winning all the time. Living in a nice world of happy people has some value too. Thanks for a really great interview with a very inspiring young lady.
She doesn't get the trans issue at all. If a civilisation cannot agree on scientific FACTS that have been established for eons then it is in serious trouble. Children being psychologically & sexually abused in plain sight & it being celebrated & encouraged is not a fringe issue. People losing their livelihoods for stating the truth - deeply worrying. The trans issue as it is presented currently has not been around for centuries. I wish she'd had the humility to say she doesn't know much about it or understand it because she clearly doesn't. I tuned out.
I've got a background in philanthropy too. I gave a bum a cup of coffee.
I thought this woman was smart until I she talked about climate change and covid. She is clueless. Very sad
I thought the same thing. She's clearly just indoctrinated.
@@grannyannie2948 very much indeed...
Nice to look at though.
Young and intelligent so I'd have high hopes of her working things out.
So you disregard someone completely because some of their views might be uninformed at this time? The irony of saying that under this particular video where she speaks about neutralising polarisation in this world
@@DarkAngel2512I watched the whole thing and I even went to see some of her content in her own channel. So no, I did not disregard her but she is not as intelligent as she seems. She has some good problem solving skills/mental abilities but when it comes to important topics, she is just another brainwashed soul.
You need to have courage to question mainstream narratives and, sadly, she does not have much of that yet. Metaphorically speaking, this would mean to take a stand against Moloch.
I'm always shocked at how many people just treat "climate change" like it's something that HAS to be combated. That's like combating rain, or snow, or sunshine. It's something that just happens and it shouldn't be messed with. Sure, she means man-made climate change but there is no know correlation between man and the changing of the climate. Even if there was, there's solid information that says trying to "combat" what some people think causes man-made climate change actually costs lives and welfare of people. She even says so at 11:00. It's as if people must live poor or even die just to hope to prevent something that has always happened.
Hardcore remoaner complaining about polarisation via the media. Have a look in the mirror, Liv.
The idea of social polarisation is the idea that polarises. Once you believe it, you believe we are divided. It's a dangerous idea.
@@GThomas-qq6mp "The idea of social polarisation is the idea that polarises". What idea?
"Once you believe it, you believe we are divided". Once you believe what?
@@GThomas-qq6mpwhen you compromise over and over again and it's never enough then your opponent has no intention of ever stopping or ever coming to a position of balance. It's no good being morally good if your opponent doesn't value that and sees it as weakness
@@DJRockford83 I agree. Def. balance is demanded.
@@GThomas-qq6mp What does any of that have to do with my point?
It's so refreshing to see a young woman have such a great grasp on what's going on within the media today. Liv has such a brilliant young mind 👍👍👍
She's 39 haha but looks like a 29 year old tbf
@@Jimbo_Jumbo I'm 51 so she's still a young woman to me 🤣🤣
All whilst pushing the climate change bs.
I play poker too so I understand the temptation to think of systems in society in terms of game theory etc. But "Race to the bottom systems" etc is not even close to what has happened to the media imo: In short they went bankrupt due to the competition of the internet a good decade ago, and after that they have been mainly selling influence/producing propaganda, to whoever pays the best.
The Washingyon Post for example loses tens of millions every year and yet Bezos keeps financing it, to put out the kind of content he wants them to. Its not entertainment but falsehoods and a skewed worldview being sold there for his own personal gain. Whatever that gain might be. People who share that faulty worldview being sold, simply refuse to hear it's manufactured. The same can be said for any MSM news outlet now as the intelligence agencies or individual Billionaires control all of them now. FBI even controlled the messaging in rap lyrics in the 80s and 90s, probably still do.
As far as I can tell, it was always that way. Noam Chompski was talking about the manufacturing of consent in like the late 70s or early 80s afaik. That was well after basically all the media was owned by a small number of conglomerates that had them as theirs own personal propaganda arms.
I've been telling people for years that it's probably always been worth it to run a media company, even at a loss, for big entities like that. If the media company is at least profitable enough to be self sustaining, let alone profitable, it's just a bonus, not necessary or even the main goal.
Look at the acquisition of Twitter. It had to be forced by leveraging fiduciary duties because the previous key* owners prior were more than happy to run it as a continuous squanderous loss so long as they had control over the conversation. I hold that most if not all major media is like that. And I'd wager the tech giants maintain monopolies through illegitimate means in cooperation with banks and government for the same reason.
And as much as I like Musk and hope I'm wrong about the next thought, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Twitter acquisition was in part just to keep people on the plantation and forestall kinetic confict by just getting rid of the most obvious and egregious examples of abuse that could no longer be denied.
"we should have locked down earlier".
I'm out.
Climate change got me.
Baulking at coming to a conclusion on the trans debate made me bail out
Remember when trump was racist for suggesting banning incoming flights from China? That might have actually helped.
@@WeighedWilson In Australia they closed the international border
@@grannyannie2948 did it help for a time?
FUN FACT: The one mention of Molech in the Bible comes in Leviticus' list of sexual sins (e.g., adultery, bestiality, homosexuality) because sacrificing their children was basically how they did abortion back then (i.e., by subjecting your children to human sacrifice, same as today) -- meaning abortion is actually included in the list of the Bible's sexual sins.
Even though Glenn Beck is like an annoying little brother he hits on something every so often that is so correct that I have to keep an ear on him. Last April he did a 90 min. sit-down with this rabbi whose name I've forgotten (sorry!) who does a really deep dive into this and related topics going back to the ancient Greeks where Moloch features in the narrative periodically.
I played that episode from Beck's podcast for my husband and my sister. I'll check to see if they can remember the rabbi's name. If they get back quickly I'll come back and add it on to this thread Michael.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. Really worth a listen.
reality is splitting, you get to choose truth and love or hate and death. have fun fellow humans
Except that there is so much deception that people are unable to distinguish those. I see it in people every day.
Everyone think they are "right" and others are wrong and bad, they think the world is black and white, but it is just because they stopped thinking critically and questining things because it is inconvenient and they want to fit in.
One rule of thumb in the (old term) information age (aka the age of power through information control), is that the more someone is pushing information with "truth" as a main component and often with emotional manipulation mixed in, the more sceptic you should be because that is most likely where there is a hidden lie - And these people can be completely convinced that they are on the side of truth and love.... just like you and me.
If Adidas is not yet sponsering you, you may want to approach their marketing people... 😉
Omg the simping going on in the comments is insane. She wasn't saying anything that ground breaking or particularly insightful. Get a grip and get outside guys
I know right. It's like people only have a historical frame of reference going back five years. This bird is just making up new terminology for stuff that has been going on as long as propaganda has been around. Because that's all it is once you get past the esoteric language etc, media is used as a propaganda tool to control the sheeple. No durrrr. Has it become a bit of different beast with technology, of course. But same thing happened when we moved from newspapers to radio then to TV. Should something be done about it? Yes, that would be nice. But then explain the situation clearly and stop referring to weird bible demons. Lord.
I've been noticing more and more scrolling through facebook how a lot of stuff turns up on my feed that seems determined to annoy me, it's only one side of every argument - but never the side I support. It has helped me stay off social media and that can't be bad.
I can't believe this woman got away with so much bs about climate change and the pandemic and no one challenged her! Not a real interview when your guest can say whatever they want and no one challenge them
General Douglas Macarthur said there are few things worse than war and they come with defeat.
Don Hansen
It's called Marxism Liv.
Some form of this was always going to happen when trans became a mainstream issue. Gay marriage won its battles then trans stepped up to the plate and said hold my beer.
I agee with her mantra “like like kind of like so like euh so like you know - like”
This is a Gen Z and millennial habit that I find embarrassing and distracting.
Maybe it bc I’m watching this while sick with the flu, but I’m having a really hard time connecting to this conversation. When asked about the benefits of artificial intelligence, she said AI could develop drugs for future pandemics? Girl no.
How do you know that's untrue?
I think she meant drugs to combat future pandemics, not drugs to cause future pandemics. Although with AI, both in principle could be more likely.
I think she was just trying to come up with positive uses for AI to avoid coming across as ultra negative.
She Like uses like the word like a lot like, don't you like think Like
Honest journalists serve in a fiduciary capacity to the citizens to investigate and expose corruption especially concerning our governments and corporations. It is a way to hold specific individuals accountable for their actions while reminding others that they will be held accountable. Every politician and unelected bureaucrat (all public servants) should welcome and fully expect to be scrutinized for their performance. Legacy news (msm) should be held accountable and "called out" for their lies, but how?
Most of the noise comes from the shallow end of the pool, and that is what the algorithms are doing, appealing to those in the paddling area.
I've been a fan of Liv since she exploded on the poker scene. I could never play against her. I find her insanely attractive. That alone would make me lose ignoring that she has a degree in astrophysics and has done an insane amount of study of game theory and applying it to her poker game
The media have become recreational outrage merchants, because we've become recreational outrage addicts.
I always said that as soon as the news media “& the news media has always been sketchy anyway” starts using Twitter posts as news headlines we are In trouble!
I think it started in the universities in the 1960's. People who were brainwashed by feminism and revolution went out in the world, and the media companies and pushed these agendas. Then the left political parties discovered they can exploit it for political power,
If the inability to “coordinate” is the end result, then that sounds like a good thing. Because when she says “coordinate” it sounds a lot like the people in power (governments and trans-governmental institutions) coercing everyone to follow their whims-just look at the examples she cites: Covid, climate change, etc. We’ve had quite enough “coordination” along those lines, thank you very much.
Yes, the "if we could coordinate - we know how to fix climate change - we could just fix everything". Very scary.
"People should live how they want to live," is an overreaction and it sets aside our obligation to act with compassion.
Overabundance of compassion is also a vice, so it shouldn't be obligated...
Liv, you were lovely! "A minefield we have to get through and then aweeeee..." You two guys were also amazing, giving the stage to her, only uttering what was really necessary... Flawless! Thank you!🙂
I love this interview- what a brilliant woman. She recognizes the problems of environmental depletion. There's only so much silicon on the planet! Only so many trees and the forests are falling. These are just facts of living on a finite planet. She's very in touch with reality in a comprehensive way.
Although yes, most rocks are called silicates for a reason.
About 27% of the crust is made from it.
By the time we'd run out of silicon, we'd have to have scraped the entire crust.
Pretty sure we'd be able to mine other planets /asteroids before we reach that point
"only so many trees" hm...
I'm fairly new to your channel. I like your show. It's unusual in that there are three people, and at any time, two of those people are listening. It's quite refreshing.
«The medium is the message»
“The medium is the message” is a phrase created by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived.
The aphorism has become a frequently cited phrase in the study of digital humanities, as well as in pop culture.
The phrase “the medium is the message” means that content and medium are intertwined, so the central message or effect of something is not in the content it carries, but in the way it is presented.
McLuhan applies the statement to a number of technologies, mediums, and social and historical contexts.
For example, in the book Understanding Media: Extensions of Man, he relates the concept to electric light, calling it “pure information”.
Throughout his source text, McLuhan states that the message of the medium is the “change of scale or pace or pattern that it introduces into human affairs”.
The actual content of a piece of technology is not what proves what it means, but the technology is defined by the way it interacts with society as a whole.
For example, the landmark advancement of the creation of written word is not defined by the words written, but how the technology changed the cultures it was introduced into. Advancements in technology of communication, he states, are the driving force behind societal change - not what is being communicated.
Another notable example that McLuhan presents in the text is the electric light, a medium he claims has no direct content within itself, but has a message and dramatic cultural impact in the effects it had on society.
With the invention of electric light, hours of darkness became instantly more usable, therefore changing to societal landscape.
It is within this change that the message of electric light comes.
This started from feminism. Technology always precipitates empathy on the mean but greed at the top. This is essentially the NPC meme but what really floundered this direction was indeed feminism and the birth control pill from the 60's.
What a great guest - Liv is one of my favorite poker players and now I see that she is a brilliant mind across the board (can't say I'm surprised, TBH) As for the question about what poker can teach you about life. I think one lesson that poker teaches is about changing your beliefs and your behavior when the situation changes. When a Hold 'Em player is dealt pocket aces, they correctly say to themselves "I have the best hand", but a poor player will continue to tell themselves they have a great hand no matter what cards come out on the flop, turn and river. They don't reassess the value of their hole cards based on the changing context.
When your guest describes the problem with your channel and all your guests.
This all on point, but I"m amazed that next generations obfuscate or are ignorant of the real reality that's been know for over 20,000 years. However, you guys continue to do great work. Keep it up.
Not just a poker face. Lots more about her than that!!👏👏👏
Perhaps we need to rediscover the "stiff upper lip" and think more and feel less. Humans evolved their cerebral vortex to think their way out of problems that a fight or flight response couldn't solve. Now, we are doing two things:
1. Throwing away our own capacity to think by making feelings front and center. The essence of being an adult as opposed to a teen is realising that feeling gets you into trouble, thinking gets you out of it.
2. We're creating technology that is better at thinking than we are.
We got into the mess with over thinking and too much logical thinking (mix in lacking empathy and dismissing others reality) that got over compensated with emotional responses.
I'd suggest that its the intrusion of government into the management of issues that causes many of the problems. We may need governments to shield their countries from unfair external factors, but to interfere less with their internal economic and social systems. "Managing" and coordination at a global scale is what we had with covid, and it was a disaster.
The "hands off" approach also solves some of the "can't agree on truth" issues. The reason people get upset is not that there is disagreement, but that one group either imposes their will on another, or one group/view gets funded by some group pot of money, such as tax or insurance.
I think the Amish are on to something, 20 years ago I would had told you they stuck in the past. Today I say that life style seems more and more attractive. Any one of them could tell me what a woman is in a nano second, without umming and arring.
I first heard about the Moloch concept from Max Tegmark who commented on its presence in the current AI race. Which seems true. Is there any way of avoiding Moloch where financial incentives & competition are involved?
Social media friendships on social media are real friendships other than to check in and see if you are on the same page which can change at a whim. Asking for assistance over social media to the "friends" rarely yields any meaningful result beyond the rare donation that may never happen. How amazing is social media, really?
But actually this is what's going to save the world. People tune in for an emotional frequency. Once we discover a higher emotional frequency, which is associated with the divine, love and spirituality, we realize everything is false. Only love is real.
Everything is designed to show us that we are buying into emotional frequencies of division and fighting. Thanks God for media exaggerating this so we can release it for good.
This is a very necessary step.
If only the media had the wisdom and intelligence of these social commentator's.
I'm automatically suspicious of anyone with "Chris Williamson" levels of attractiveness. Hearing about a desire for fame - from applying to tons of game shows - cements my negative view of this speaker.
Great episode, never heard of Liv before, but she spoke well, intelligent, sensible, humble and evidenced self reflection. And I’m going to say it, really rather hot.
I don't share her 'reality'. 'Climate change' is not reality in my outlook.
Cant tell if KK was stoned here or just really enjoyed this interview and was content.
the world needs a lot more Liv's
The whole cornerstone is the love of $$$
Nearly all news media has reverted to the old "National Enquirer" , nothing but drama, shock and click bait.
Call Norman Finkelstein if you're brave enough, the both of you.
Ugh
The trans issue really is important. Children and vulnerable people are having their lives permanently, surgically and chemically deformed, their futures destroyed, to generate profit. It’s happening by the 1000s every day. It matters.
Remember when they moved the golden statue of Molech to the Roman colosseum for display. Interesting it was displayed in the colosseum. A place of war and struggle
Here’s the problem with all of her arguments about the current world situation: they rely on the presupposition of organic emergence and what is essentially “coincidence”. But what if what’s happening actually IS organized intentionally? She keeps wanting to duck from any implication that this might be the case (I’m guessing because it seems distasteful and intellectually dishonest), but if we are to keep all possibilities open, I think the honest thing to do is also entertain that possibility
She is spot on. Perverse incentives are at the bottom \ root of just about every major problem modernity is facing. But fear and shame trump rage\anger ... virtually everyone is triggered by the first two and those first two are often at the roto of anger.
That was the best description of Poker in the most concise way I've ever heard.
Why does the background of this video change so drastically? In some close up shots the young lady has a wall to her left with a large blooming plant in the corner but in shots showing her and the men there is no wall to her left, only a staircase. What’s up?
Welcome to the world of viewing angles. You ever walked around a corner in your life, revealing what was behind that you couldn't see before? I know, it's mind blowing, if you're 1 year old.
@@Asto508Amazed that you took the time to respond to such an idiotic comment. And now I’ve done the same 😂
The actual reason we had so many nuclear weapons has a lot to do with the amount of time it takes for nuclear fissionable material to degrade. If I remember it's only seven years so to maintain a viable stock of missiles they do need to be replaced. As an example the US had so limited the USSR's access to viable weapons grade material that by the time the USSR fell they didn't have any viable missiles and hadn't for quite a long time.
And yes, that does mean the Cold War was a sham to maintain military spending for probably the last twenty years or so of it.
global warming & pandemic propaganda ? WTF with you Triggernometry ?
She's like, pretty spot on. Like, about most of it. Idk about, like, demons, but like, yeah. 😂😂
I’m glad someone else noticed.😂
Oh, like, fk me, I thought I was, like, the only, like, one who, like, is being driven like, nuts by, like, this.
As soon as she brought up "climate change" she lost me. Then came "facts on both sides of the trans issue".