The Gen5 Glock .40's are all sweet shooting guns, I have all three they currently offer (G27, G23 and G22). They feel like 9mm's recoil wise and they're very accurate. Love 'em!
How would you compare to gen 4? Trigger? Recoil? My original gen 4 22 had a decent factory trigger, but my g40 10 mm had a really mushy trigger (which I replaced). Curious about this gen 5
@@mfer876 trigger is similar in terms of pull but the gen5 has a shorter reset. The recoil at least for the .40's is less because the gun is heavier, the slide is thicker, not as thick as .45/10mm Glocks but thicker than 9mm slides. Overall I like the gen5, I like the flared Maxwell, it a good feature. They shoot well.
Thanks for watching. I am growing more partial t the .40 S&W the more that I shoot it. I have been considering one in a 1911 and Rock Island Armory happens to make one. Now, is trying to find one.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes sir, folks can say what they want negatively, but the fact remains that Glock pistols just run very well and reliably. I like both the G22 and G23 for urban carry.
Just bought a G22 Gen 5 and a holosun laser/light combo for my EDC. I usually just keep an AR under my bed as my main personal defense weapon, but with all the road rage incidents and general violent crime in public I decided to get a better pistol than the little .380 ruger I was carrying around. I'm not a hardcore gun nut (don't have the time), I'm mostly in this for self defense and the G22 seems like the best gun on the market for practical EDC/ personal defense without spending over $800-$1k.
Thanks for watching and for commenting; both keep the channel moving forward. I like the .40 S&W, but have not had the opportunity to work with the .357 SIG except for firing a friend's Glock that was chambered for it. I guess that I should give it a try?
Thanks for watching and for your comment. I agree, both will serve you well. I favor the G22 because of the grip size. If Glock came out with a G23 slide on a G22 frame, like they did with the G45, I would like that as well.
In my review of the Glock G44, I mentioned that there could be room for another twenty-two in the stable. Well, here it is, the Glock G22. Enjoy the video and thanks for watching.
@@TheGunNerd That may very well be. I have read reports going both ways. I have also been in an autopsy room with a person who was shot 27 times with a 9mm by police. He was high on PCP at the time. The medical examiner claimed that only blood loss made the victim expire. The victim, being high on PCP, probably didn't feel a thing.Would have the .40 S&W made a difference. In this case, probably not.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I'm familiar with that story, and it's 1 reason why I carry a 2nd backup mag. But the last 2 sentences you said only further my point of go 9mm for edc. Why do you still chose an old and unnecessarily snappy round?
@@TheGunNerd Well, I think that you are off about 89 years. The 9mm Luger, designed by George Luger, entered service in 1901. The 40 S&W, designed by Bob Klunk, came about in 1990. The 10mm was designed by Jeff Cooper in 1983. The 9mm is far older than the .40 Smith & Wesson and 10mm. My last 2 sentences only solidified the fact that the 9mm was ineffective in that case. In fact, only a head shot, even with a .22 LR HP, might have taken him out quicker. Why do I like the .40 S&W? It forces me to pay more attention when I am shooting. The 9mm puts me to sleep, unless I am shooting a sub-compact that has a bit more bite to it.😉
@@RangeRoninChronicles Modern 9mm jhp ammo performs similarly to modern 45 acp jhp. So much in fact that medical professionals often can't tell the difference between the 2. The fact that it's too easy with 9mm is a good thing. You also said in the example you mentioned that 40 would not have made a definite and significant difference, so...
Just about all of the cops that I've talk to carry the 22. Or the 9mm version with the longer barrel. But most carry the 22. I have the 23, but am buying a 22 next week.
Yes. Most civilians should stick with the 9mm as they can't handle something as manly as the 40 S&W... and forget the 357 Sig, 10mm and 45 ACP. Testosterone levels have been falling in the general population as I understand. OK, this is meant as a sarcastic remark but probably is close to reality for many folks.... Just practice and firm up your grip a bit and the 40 is a great shooter! I like my Gen 3 G22. My Gen 4 G20 is also nice as it has the adjustable backstrap that I do like. The Gen 3 does fit my hand well though. My older Gen 2 G17 is fine as well.
Lol! Thanks for watching and the comment. As I think I mentioned, I actually like the .40 S&W over the 9mm. What is interesting is that (and depending on the ammunition) the 185-grain .45 ACP can almost reach .40 S&W velocity, but with a larger diameter bullet. I would rather shoot a 10mm out of a 1911 than the .357 magnum out of a revolver.
I'm blasting away with the old-school .357 Magnum cartridge at the range... It's powerful but obviously lower capacity (and harder to shoot), and I'm curious about these semi-autos.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Nothing wrong with the .357 magnum; it's one of my favorites. If you are interested in a "40" check your local ranges for rentals and shoot as many of them as you can; Glock, Smith & Wesson, Springfield Armory...see if you like the cartridge and or pistol. .357 Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 1290 feet per second (fps) while .40 S&W rounds travel at a velocity of 1070 fps. The 10mm is in the .357 magnum territory, but with a higher price to pay in recoil and (in general) higher ammunition cost.
I think it’s near-perfect, yes. The only thing that could really top it, in my opinion, would be a Glock 20 10mm if you could manage the extra weight. Because you get no loss in capacity but each shot produces that much quicker results. That being said, I currently carry a G22 Gen3 OD Green, all stock except Wolff springs everywhere (guide rod included) and factory steel sights from Glock. It’s simply a very easy gun to shoot well, and it’s got a lot of firepower for its size and weight. 15 rounds of .40 in a package that’s only 35 ounces when loaded, with a nice long grip and quite a long sight radius, it’s near-perfect.
Gen 3 glock 22 and 23 police trade ins were cheap a few years back. Around $300. I bet the gen5 version is a bit better shooting but I'm happy with my old junk
I appreciate you watching, commenting, and especially subscribing. Congratulations on your new G22! For holsters, I do recommended Falco. They do make OWB and IWB holsters for the G22. Since you have the GEN5, you need to note that when ordering to ensure that the holster would not be too tight, as with a GEN4. I ordered a A112 "Hawk" holster for my G22 GEN5, which also works with my G23 GEN5 (and Gen4 in both cases). Some break-in was required, but that is usually normal with all leather holsters. The end result, however, is a perfectly fitting holster. Good luck on your search!
Thank you for watching and commenting. The both help keep the channel going and growing. I also prefer Trijicon night sights; the XS SIGHTS 3-Dot Tritium Night Sight is my favorite, as that front sight just pops right out there for me.
Since its conception I have had a reluctance to acknowledge the benefits of this cartridge. I guess its just the way it was introduced. To me it was a inadequate compromise of its parent the 10mm. The overall marketing was genius being forced on many in law enforcement and later all the rave in civilian sales as typical. I have sense changed my opinion and see many benefits both in the full and mid size pistols. The cartridge in these size pistols allows for faster follow up shots. This along with less weight, size, and greater mag capacity make an interesting option.
Thanks for watching and for your comments. Like you, I was on the fence with the .40 S&W, at least until I gave it a fair shake. Carrying and shooting a 1911 in .45 ACP flavoring for most of my life caused me to judge a book by its cover with regard to the .40 S&W. Now however, and after reading the book, the .40 S&W in a G23 is my alternate carry cartridge. I recently reviewed a Rock Island Armory Ultra in .40 S&W (review coming out soon), and what a joy it was to shoot - accurate and reliable. I am not going to say that the .40 Smith and Wesson is the perfect defensive caliber, but I do think it to be a highly effective caliber, as long as I can do my part in steering it to the target.
Do you recommend a Glock 23 or 22 ? Can always make a 23 into a 23x hybrid with the xgrip sleeve . But does the little extra barrel length make a difference ?
Thanks for watching and for your question. To answer it, I will say that I held both the G23 and G22. The grip of the G23, as does the G19 and other comparable-sized Glock pistols, just did not feel right in my hand...I prefer the longer grip of the G17, G22, G20, and G45. The 4.49-inch barrel of the G22 holds no distinct advantage over the 4.02-inch barrel of the G23. For example, and according to the Ballistics by the Inch" website, the Federal 180-grain Hydra-Shok has a muzzle velocity of 1,051 fps; whereas, out of the 4.02-inch barrel of the G23, the velocity would be around 1,022 fps. No one would notice the difference - the bad guy being hit by one or the felt recoil by the operator shooting it. The G22 picks up two rounds over the G23 (15 vs. 13) and gives the total height of the pistol at 5.51-inches, as compared to the 5.08-inches of the G23. Again, the grip length of the G22 just fits in my hand better than the G23. You may find the opposite in your hand. For me, I'll give up 1/2-inch in concealment for the better grip and control the G22 provides me. I also installed the thickest grip adapter, as I do on all my Glock pistols that use them, full size, compact, and sub-compact - no matter. It was the first thing I did when I got my G20 GEN4 and GEN5. The best that I can offer is to try and hold both, if you have the opportunity to do so, and base your comparison on what fits your hand better.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I’m in the same boat as you on full-size grip I edc a 19x frame don’t bother me much just slide a little long . Both g23 and g22 feel good on my hand g22 slightly better guess it just comes down to shooting them both and make a decision then . Thank you for your reply
My HK VP40 is a soft and sweet shooter. HK put a beefier and heavier slide on it as the 40 demands it. I believe the new Gen 5 40 SW Glocks all have thicker slides. I do have a gen 3 Glock 23 and it is indeed a bit snappy, but I still love to shoot it. Very concealable.
Thanks for watching. I battled with myself between the G22 and G23. Because of the longer grip, the G22 won out. I haven't had my hands on the HK VP40 to evaluate it, but hopefully one of these days I will. Personally, I favor the .40 S&W over the 9mm.
Thanks for watching. Are you open to suggestions for a holster other than Safariland? Do you have a optic mounted? Perhaps, other viewers can help in your search?
@steve Probably because, if you don’t have to conceal the gun, Safariland duty belt and holster and mag carrier setups are fantastic for woods/farm/combat use. They’re very durable and secure. The OP may also be LE and actually be required to use Safariland.
This fascination with the 9mm for handguns was pushed by the governments so as to standardize the caliber for NATO forces. As with many things where the military goes law enforcement is sure to follow. 9mm is also considered the world standard for SMG ammo and that fills the bill for NATO as well. There’s no need for armed civilians to be under gunned just because the military and police wish to be. Bigger bullets make bigger holes. If your wrists are weak do some simple hand exercises and get some strength in them. Don’t follow the crowd. Remember, only dead things flow down stream. Live ones swim upstream. Get a good .40 and practice.
Thanks for watching and for your question. To answer it, I have no idea what barrel would convert a G22 to a .357 SIG. I know that it is possible with the G23, as it probably is with the G22, but I do not experiment with barrel swaps. Sorry.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Is it the physical width of slide or because of the ambi slide release? I don't have a GEN4 to compare the GEN5 with. It would be interesting to know.
Ii am a short fat guy and generally care a g48 if I could figure out how to cc a g22 but it either prints real bad or it's put in an area that can't be gotten to quickly. I wish they would make a 40 cal on their slim line frame 10 round flush fit mag
I am with you on that. A single-stack .40 S&W the size of the G45 would be nice (G19 slide/G17 frame?). That and a Glock PCC would be an ideal pair. Thanks for watching. If enough people bug Glock about it, it could happen. Start those cards and letters to Glock rolling!
The .40 is a great round and that extra snappiness or recoil comes from the fact that it does generate more power than a 9mm. The new modern day myth is that the 9mm is equal to a larger caliber yet without the recoil. When your only measure of performance is a ballistic gel block and you take the best 9mm design and compare it to a larger caliber that isn’t in the best design that’s not science that’s called shady marketing. The best .40 will always outperform the best 9mm simply due to basic physics. Even when the calculated kinetic energy written on the boxes is the same the bigger and heavier slug will always transfer its useable energy better. The Thompson and LaGarde experiments demonstrated that over a century ago. The manufacturers claimed that because the 9mm luger had more “calculated” kinetic energy on paper that it could perform just as good or better than the bigger calibers. The actual testing on live animals demonstrated that their theory was in fact wrong and because all rounds tested were captured within the torso of the animals all available energy was transferred into them so “bullet design” was not the main factor. Yes a hollow point can help to keep a round from passing through and create a little more tissue damage but it doesn’t increase the overall mass and or momentum of a bullet. No one to include the FBI has ever found a way to disprove what those tests showed on live animals back then. Heck I can walk out in my backyard right now and shoot my steel targets with a 9mm +p HP round and then shoot it with a .40 S&W HP round with similar calculated energies written on the boxes and the .40 will hit with much more authority and spin the plate back around easily whereas the 9mm will struggle to do it. From live animals in a test to steel plates in someone’s backyard larger and heavier slugs have always demonstrated a real recognizable performance advantage that lifeless blocks of gel can’t. Years ago when the FBI had settled on the .40 it was based on the need to find a better performing caliber (not bullet design). I even remember one of the lead agents involved state he wanted a bullet that performed similar to a 230 grain 45 ACP round which is why they settled on a 180 grain .40 S&W round instead of a lighter round that would generate more calculated kinetic energy. From the time the Army first adopted the .45 ACP people have known that bigger slugs just hit harder regardless and what calculated energy is written on the side of the box. When I read the FBI’s latest study it read more like a marketing campaign to sell its agents on the move back to the 9mm than it did a real study to find the best performing caliber. They now focus almost entirely around shooting lifeless gel blocks because if energy transfer, momentum and the actually effects on the living aren’t being measured or considered you can make the smaller calibers look close in performance to a larger caliber. People can argue about the real reasons all they want but it was a known fact that they were under political pressure to address the issue of too many agents in a certain demographic getting passed over for promotion because of poor handgun qualification scores. The .40 S&W was just too much for some of them to handle and because they had already bad mouthed the 9mm they had to sell the 9mm as being just as good or better than the .40 they were now forcing their agents to give up. You can cherry pick gunfight stories and shoot a gel block 50+ different ways all you want but the .40 S&W in the “best” designs will always be the better caliber if the shooter can actually shoot it.
Thanks for watching and your short dissertation. The 185-grain .45 ACP (depending on multiple factors) will meet velocities generated by the .40 Smith & Wesson, and with a larger bullet diameter. Personally, I like the feel of the S&W .40 when fired. It just leaves the impression that something tangible came out of the barrel. The .40 S&W is anything but short and wimpy. The common mindset with the 9mm is that more rounds can be fired faster than with a larger, more powerful caliber, and there is truth in that. My thinking is that I would rather shoot less rounds of a more effective caliber to stop a threat. But, there are no guarantees. I know of two LEOs who were surprised that after 27 rounds were fired into a human who was cranked-up on PCP before he stopped and dropped, and only because of the loss of blood pressure due to being shot that many times with 9mm projectiles. I doubt he ever felt a thing - he just faded away into never-never land. The best that we can do, on our part when firing any caliber, is hope that science does its part quickly. Again, thanks. I enjoy these conversations.
All in all, the .40 to me is a meh round... I don't hate it, but I don't love it either, preferring .357 Sig, .45 GAP, 10mm, and even 9mm over it. Despite this, I do own all the Glocks in .40 S&W, including the G22, G23, G27, and G35, and I do reload and shoot quite a bit of .40 as well. It's just that .40 doesn't do anything nowadays that the 9 can do and it isn't obscure enough to satisfy my interest in oddball calibers (*cough* .45 GAP *cough*)... the .40 was designed as a compromise caliber and it shows. Nothing wrong with it, but it also isn't super exciting either.
I am with you on the .40. I am on the fence about it, and I have not tried enough defensive/hunting ammunition in one to slide one way or the other. If the bank account will ever justify one, a Ruger GP-100 Match Champion in 10mm is being considered, as it would also fire .40 Smith & Wesson.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I did see a GP-100 in 10mm at my LGS a while back that I was drooling over. I don't know that I would ever put .40 in it, though, as I like 10mm better and the heavy frame of the GP-100 could take the power easily. Alas! I couldn't justify it's cost either
The appeal for me is I don’t reload. And since everyone is going to 9mm, there is going to be a CRAPLOAD of surplus 40 sitting around that’s going to need to be sold which was surplus stock for the military and police. When everyone is shooting 9mm, that means demand for 40 goes down. Which also means when 9mm dries up, I’ll be able to find 40 all day. That AND it’ll be cheaper. Ballistically speaking, 9mm is about on par with 40. Not there yet, for 40 still penetrates deeper. But it’s close. 10mm is a lot of pistol for self defense. And I’m not getting any younger.
The Gen5 Glock .40's are all sweet shooting guns, I have all three they currently offer (G27, G23 and G22). They feel like 9mm's recoil wise and they're very accurate. Love 'em!
Definitely. I don't have a 27, but the 40 Smith & Wesson is the bottom floor in full size handguns for me. Awesome caliber, awesome platform
How would you compare to gen 4? Trigger? Recoil? My original gen 4 22 had a decent factory trigger, but my g40 10 mm had a really mushy trigger (which I replaced). Curious about this gen 5
@@mfer876 trigger is similar in terms of pull but the gen5 has a shorter reset. The recoil at least for the .40's is less because the gun is heavier, the slide is thicker, not as thick as .45/10mm Glocks but thicker than 9mm slides. Overall I like the gen5, I like the flared Maxwell, it a good feature. They shoot well.
I've got a 3rd gen Glock 22. Amazing handgun and recoil is easy to handle.
Thanks for watching. I am growing more partial t the .40 S&W the more that I shoot it. I have been considering one in a 1911 and Rock Island Armory happens to make one. Now, is trying to find one.
@@RangeRoninChronicles If you do get one, that'd be a great one to make a video about!
@@sodiumvapor13 The search continues. No luck, so far.
I have a 30 year old glock 22 one of the first ones made. I carry it everyday. Still goes bang. Every. Single. Time.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes sir, folks can say what they want negatively, but the fact remains that Glock pistols just run very well and reliably. I like both the G22 and G23 for urban carry.
Just bought a G22 Gen 5 and a holosun laser/light combo for my EDC. I usually just keep an AR under my bed as my main personal defense weapon, but with all the road rage incidents and general violent crime in public I decided to get a better pistol than the little .380 ruger I was carrying around. I'm not a hardcore gun nut (don't have the time), I'm mostly in this for self defense and the G22 seems like the best gun on the market for practical EDC/ personal defense without spending over $800-$1k.
Thanks for watching. I carry the G42 at times, but larger calibers more often than not. The G22 (or G23) would serve you well.
40s&w and 357Sig are my favorite calibers ..
Thanks for watching and for commenting; both keep the channel moving forward. I like the .40 S&W, but have not had the opportunity to work with the .357 SIG except for firing a friend's Glock that was chambered for it. I guess that I should give it a try?
Man i realy wish they made a aftermarket 357sig barrel for the gen 5 glock 22 like they did for the older gens 😮💨
The Glock 22, 23 gen 5 is a excellent pistol appropiated for the caliber . 40.
Thanks for watching and for your comment. I agree, both will serve you well. I favor the G22 because of the grip size. If Glock came out with a G23 slide on a G22 frame, like they did with the G45, I would like that as well.
In my review of the Glock G44, I mentioned that there could be room for another twenty-two in the stable. Well, here it is, the Glock G22. Enjoy the video and thanks for watching.
9mm was proven to be superior to 40 s&w by the fbi in 2014
@@TheGunNerd That may very well be. I have read reports going both ways. I have also been in an autopsy room with a person who was shot 27 times with a 9mm by police. He was high on PCP at the time. The medical examiner claimed that only blood loss made the victim expire. The victim, being high on PCP, probably didn't feel a thing.Would have the .40 S&W made a difference. In this case, probably not.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I'm familiar with that story, and it's 1 reason why I carry a 2nd backup mag. But the last 2 sentences you said only further my point of go 9mm for edc. Why do you still chose an old and unnecessarily snappy round?
@@TheGunNerd Well, I think that you are off about 89 years. The 9mm Luger, designed by George Luger, entered service in 1901. The 40 S&W, designed by Bob Klunk, came about in 1990. The 10mm was designed by Jeff Cooper in 1983. The 9mm is far older than the .40 Smith & Wesson and 10mm. My last 2 sentences only solidified the fact that the 9mm was ineffective in that case. In fact, only a head shot, even with a .22 LR HP, might have taken him out quicker. Why do I like the .40 S&W? It forces me to pay more attention when I am shooting. The 9mm puts me to sleep, unless I am shooting a sub-compact that has a bit more bite to it.😉
@@RangeRoninChronicles Modern 9mm jhp ammo performs similarly to modern 45 acp jhp. So much in fact that medical professionals often can't tell the difference between the 2. The fact that it's too easy with 9mm is a good thing. You also said in the example you mentioned that 40 would not have made a definite and significant difference, so...
Thanks for a no non sense or gimmick video. Great info and great presentation sir
Thank you for watching and your kind comment. They help me keep this channel growing.
G22, G5 is an Awesome pistol
Just about all of the cops that I've talk to carry the 22. Or the 9mm version with the longer barrel. But most carry the 22. I have the 23, but am buying a 22 next week.
Good choice! I like the G23, except for the grip length; the back arch just hits my hand in the wrong place. And, thanks for watching!
Yes. Most civilians should stick with the 9mm as they can't handle something as manly as the 40 S&W... and forget the 357 Sig, 10mm and 45 ACP. Testosterone levels have been falling in the general population as I understand. OK, this is meant as a sarcastic remark but probably is close to reality for many folks.... Just practice and firm up your grip a bit and the 40 is a great shooter! I like my Gen 3 G22. My Gen 4 G20 is also nice as it has the adjustable backstrap that I do like. The Gen 3 does fit my hand well though. My older Gen 2 G17 is fine as well.
Lol! Thanks for watching and the comment. As I think I mentioned, I actually like the .40 S&W over the 9mm. What is interesting is that (and depending on the ammunition) the 185-grain .45 ACP can almost reach .40 S&W velocity, but with a larger diameter bullet. I would rather shoot a 10mm out of a 1911 than the .357 magnum out of a revolver.
I'm blasting away with the old-school .357 Magnum cartridge at the range... It's powerful but obviously lower capacity (and harder to shoot), and I'm curious about these semi-autos.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Nothing wrong with the .357 magnum; it's one of my favorites. If you are interested in a "40" check your local ranges for rentals and shoot as many of them as you can; Glock, Smith & Wesson, Springfield Armory...see if you like the cartridge and or pistol. .357 Magnum rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 1290 feet per second (fps) while .40 S&W rounds travel at a velocity of 1070 fps. The 10mm is in the .357 magnum territory, but with a higher price to pay in recoil and (in general) higher ammunition cost.
I think it’s near-perfect, yes. The only thing that could really top it, in my opinion, would be a Glock 20 10mm if you could manage the extra weight. Because you get no loss in capacity but each shot produces that much quicker results.
That being said, I currently carry a G22 Gen3 OD Green, all stock except Wolff springs everywhere (guide rod included) and factory steel sights from Glock. It’s simply a very easy gun to shoot well, and it’s got a lot of firepower for its size and weight. 15 rounds of .40 in a package that’s only 35 ounces when loaded, with a nice long grip and quite a long sight radius, it’s near-perfect.
Thanks for watching and commenting. About that 10mm? Be sure to check out my Glock G20 GEN5 review @ ruclips.net/video/duwmKFhsChY/видео.html
Gen 3 glock 22 and 23 police trade ins were cheap a few years back. Around $300. I bet the gen5 version is a bit better shooting but I'm happy with my old junk
Most of my early Glocks were GEN3, with a G19 being a GEN4. What you have is not old junk at all.
@@mikerobinson8734"Shhhhhh..." More for us.
@@robwilson3749 i know right, I’m going to delete that comment
Very Intuitive Video! I subscribed! I just got me a Gen 5 22 can’t wait to shoot it. Got to find what holsters work with the thicker slide.
I appreciate you watching, commenting, and especially subscribing. Congratulations on your new G22! For holsters, I do recommended Falco. They do make OWB and IWB holsters for the G22. Since you have the GEN5, you need to note that when ordering to ensure that the holster would not be too tight, as with a GEN4. I ordered a A112 "Hawk" holster for my G22 GEN5, which also works with my G23 GEN5 (and Gen4 in both cases). Some break-in was required, but that is usually normal with all leather holsters. The end result, however, is a perfectly fitting holster.
Good luck on your search!
Trijicon night sights are my preferred sights.
Thank you for watching and commenting. The both help keep the channel going and growing. I also prefer Trijicon night sights; the XS SIGHTS 3-Dot Tritium Night Sight is my favorite, as that front sight just pops right out there for me.
Since its conception I have had a reluctance to acknowledge the benefits of this cartridge. I guess its just the way it was introduced. To me it was a inadequate compromise of its parent the 10mm. The overall marketing was genius being forced on many in law enforcement and later all the rave in civilian sales as typical. I have sense changed my opinion and see many benefits both in the full and mid size pistols. The cartridge in these size pistols allows for faster follow up shots. This along with less weight, size, and greater mag capacity make an interesting option.
Thanks for watching and for your comments. Like you, I was on the fence with the .40 S&W, at least until I gave it a fair shake. Carrying and shooting a 1911 in .45 ACP flavoring for most of my life caused me to judge a book by its cover with regard to the .40 S&W. Now however, and after reading the book, the .40 S&W in a G23 is my alternate carry cartridge. I recently reviewed a Rock Island Armory Ultra in .40 S&W (review coming out soon), and what a joy it was to shoot - accurate and reliable.
I am not going to say that the .40 Smith and Wesson is the perfect defensive caliber, but I do think it to be a highly effective caliber, as long as I can do my part in steering it to the target.
Do you recommend a Glock 23 or 22 ? Can always make a 23 into a 23x hybrid with the xgrip sleeve . But does the little extra barrel length make a difference ?
Thanks for watching and for your question. To answer it, I will say that I held both the G23 and G22. The grip of the G23, as does the G19 and other comparable-sized Glock pistols, just did not feel right in my hand...I prefer the longer grip of the G17, G22, G20, and G45.
The 4.49-inch barrel of the G22 holds no distinct advantage over the 4.02-inch barrel of the G23. For example, and according to the Ballistics by the Inch" website, the Federal 180-grain Hydra-Shok has a muzzle velocity of 1,051 fps; whereas, out of the 4.02-inch barrel of the G23, the velocity would be around 1,022 fps. No one would notice the difference - the bad guy being hit by one or the felt recoil by the operator shooting it.
The G22 picks up two rounds over the G23 (15 vs. 13) and gives the total height of the pistol at 5.51-inches, as compared to the 5.08-inches of the G23. Again, the grip length of the G22 just fits in my hand better than the G23. You may find the opposite in your hand. For me, I'll give up 1/2-inch in concealment for the better grip and control the G22 provides me. I also installed the thickest grip adapter, as I do on all my Glock pistols that use them, full size, compact, and sub-compact - no matter. It was the first thing I did when I got my G20 GEN4 and GEN5.
The best that I can offer is to try and hold both, if you have the opportunity to do so, and base your comparison on what fits your hand better.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I’m in the same boat as you on full-size grip I edc a 19x frame don’t bother me much just slide a little long . Both g23 and g22 feel good on my hand g22 slightly better guess it just comes down to shooting them both and make a decision then . Thank you for your reply
@@j2trill766 My pleasure. I wanted both the G22 and G23, but the bank account did not agree with me😁.
My HK VP40 is a soft and sweet shooter. HK put a beefier and heavier slide on it as the 40 demands it. I believe the new Gen 5 40 SW Glocks all have thicker slides. I do have a gen 3 Glock 23 and it is indeed a bit snappy, but I still love to shoot it. Very concealable.
Thanks for watching. I battled with myself between the G22 and G23. Because of the longer grip, the G22 won out. I haven't had my hands on the HK VP40 to evaluate it, but hopefully one of these days I will. Personally, I favor the .40 S&W over the 9mm.
@@RangeRoninChronicles The VP 40 is a delight to shoot but not too many holster options available. I am also partial to the 40.
Good 'Glock pilot! '👍
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Ty for the video
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Trying to make a .40 S&W a 10mm. The kaboom factor 💥
I bought a G22 MOS last year, and love it. My only complaint is finding a Safariland holster for this pistol.
Thanks for watching. Are you open to suggestions for a holster other than Safariland? Do you have a optic mounted? Perhaps, other viewers can help in your search?
Why does everyone want a safari land duty holster?
@steve Probably because, if you don’t have to conceal the gun, Safariland duty belt and holster and mag carrier setups are fantastic for woods/farm/combat use. They’re very durable and secure. The OP may also be LE and actually be required to use Safariland.
This fascination with the 9mm for handguns was pushed by the governments so as to standardize the caliber for NATO forces. As with many things where the military goes law enforcement is sure to follow. 9mm is also considered the world standard for SMG ammo and that fills the bill for NATO as well. There’s no need for armed civilians to be under gunned just because the military and police wish to be. Bigger bullets make bigger holes. If your wrists are weak do some simple hand exercises and get some strength in them. Don’t follow the crowd. Remember, only dead things flow down stream. Live ones swim upstream. Get a good .40 and practice.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I agree with what you said with regard to the 9mm; it was to become the over-all "adopted" cartridge.
Do you know of a quality aftermarket conventional barrel to convert a Gen 5 G22 to essentially a Gen 5 G31?
Thanks for watching and for your question. To answer it, I have no idea what barrel would convert a G22 to a .357 SIG. I know that it is possible with the G23, as it probably is with the G22, but I do not experiment with barrel swaps. Sorry.
My sights Trijicon "Bright and Tough" orange front
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My only dislike is that the gen 5 slide is wider than the prevuous models. It wont fit my holsters
Thanks for watching and commenting. Is it the physical width of slide or because of the ambi slide release? I don't have a GEN4 to compare the GEN5 with. It would be interesting to know.
Ii am a short fat guy and generally care a g48 if I could figure out how to cc a g22 but it either prints real bad or it's put in an area that can't be gotten to quickly. I wish they would make a 40 cal on their slim line frame 10 round flush fit mag
I am with you on that. A single-stack .40 S&W the size of the G45 would be nice (G19 slide/G17 frame?). That and a Glock PCC would be an ideal pair. Thanks for watching. If enough people bug Glock about it, it could happen. Start those cards and letters to Glock rolling!
The .40 is a great round and that extra snappiness or recoil comes from the fact that it does generate more power than a 9mm. The new modern day myth is that the 9mm is equal to a larger caliber yet without the recoil. When your only measure of performance is a ballistic gel block and you take the best 9mm design and compare it to a larger caliber that isn’t in the best design that’s not science that’s called shady marketing. The best .40 will always outperform the best 9mm simply due to basic physics. Even when the calculated kinetic energy written on the boxes is the same the bigger and heavier slug will always transfer its useable energy better. The Thompson and LaGarde experiments demonstrated that over a century ago. The manufacturers claimed that because the 9mm luger had more “calculated” kinetic energy on paper that it could perform just as good or better than the bigger calibers. The actual testing on live animals demonstrated that their theory was in fact wrong and because all rounds tested were captured within the torso of the animals all available energy was transferred into them so “bullet design” was not the main factor. Yes a hollow point can help to keep a round from passing through and create a little more tissue damage but it doesn’t increase the overall mass and or momentum of a bullet. No one to include the FBI has ever found a way to disprove what those tests showed on live animals back then. Heck I can walk out in my backyard right now and shoot my steel targets with a 9mm +p HP round and then shoot it with a .40 S&W HP round with similar calculated energies written on the boxes and the .40 will hit with much more authority and spin the plate back around easily whereas the 9mm will struggle to do it.
From live animals in a test to steel plates in someone’s backyard larger and heavier slugs have always demonstrated a real recognizable performance advantage that lifeless blocks of gel can’t. Years ago when the FBI had settled on the .40 it was based on the need to find a better performing caliber (not bullet design). I even remember one of the lead agents involved state he wanted a bullet that performed similar to a 230 grain 45 ACP round which is why they settled on a 180 grain .40 S&W round instead of a lighter round that would generate more calculated kinetic energy. From the time the Army first adopted the .45 ACP people have known that bigger slugs just hit harder regardless and what calculated energy is written on the side of the box. When I read the FBI’s latest study it read more like a marketing campaign to sell its agents on the move back to the 9mm than it did a real study to find the best performing caliber. They now focus almost entirely around shooting lifeless gel blocks because if energy transfer, momentum and the actually effects on the living aren’t being measured or considered you can make the smaller calibers look close in performance to a larger caliber. People can argue about the real reasons all they want but it was a known fact that they were under political pressure to address the issue of too many agents in a certain demographic getting passed over for promotion because of poor handgun qualification scores. The .40 S&W was just too much for some of them to handle and because they had already bad mouthed the 9mm they had to sell the 9mm as being just as good or better than the .40 they were now forcing their agents to give up. You can cherry pick gunfight stories and shoot a gel block 50+ different ways all you want but the .40 S&W in the “best” designs will always be the better caliber if the shooter can actually shoot it.
Thanks for watching and your short dissertation. The 185-grain .45 ACP (depending on multiple factors) will meet velocities generated by the .40 Smith & Wesson, and with a larger bullet diameter. Personally, I like the feel of the S&W .40 when fired. It just leaves the impression that something tangible came out of the barrel. The .40 S&W is anything but short and wimpy. The common mindset with the 9mm is that more rounds can be fired faster than with a larger, more powerful caliber, and there is truth in that. My thinking is that I would rather shoot less rounds of a more effective caliber to stop a threat. But, there are no guarantees. I know of two LEOs who were surprised that after 27 rounds were fired into a human who was cranked-up on PCP before he stopped and dropped, and only because of the loss of blood pressure due to being shot that many times with 9mm projectiles. I doubt he ever felt a thing - he just faded away into never-never land.
The best that we can do, on our part when firing any caliber, is hope that science does its part quickly.
Again, thanks. I enjoy these conversations.
It’s my edc
Thanks for watching. Good gun for a good man!
And the .380 is the 9mm short
Yes, sir! That is correct. Some same marginally better than a sharp stick.
I prefer my Gen 5 Glock 23 MOS.
Not a .380 ACP that's for sure. I passed over the G23 for the G22...I needed a bit more grip surface. Thanks. for watching!
Used to be most popular 9mm is the one to go with but 40 is great
Yup. 40 is pretty much phased out now. I think everyone should send me their ammo for proper disposal.
All in all, the .40 to me is a meh round... I don't hate it, but I don't love it either, preferring .357 Sig, .45 GAP, 10mm, and even 9mm over it. Despite this, I do own all the Glocks in .40 S&W, including the G22, G23, G27, and G35, and I do reload and shoot quite a bit of .40 as well. It's just that .40 doesn't do anything nowadays that the 9 can do and it isn't obscure enough to satisfy my interest in oddball calibers (*cough* .45 GAP *cough*)... the .40 was designed as a compromise caliber and it shows. Nothing wrong with it, but it also isn't super exciting either.
I am with you on the .40. I am on the fence about it, and I have not tried enough defensive/hunting ammunition in one to slide one way or the other. If the bank account will ever justify one, a Ruger GP-100 Match Champion in 10mm is being considered, as it would also fire .40 Smith & Wesson.
@@RangeRoninChronicles I did see a GP-100 in 10mm at my LGS a while back that I was drooling over. I don't know that I would ever put .40 in it, though, as I like 10mm better and the heavy frame of the GP-100 could take the power easily. Alas! I couldn't justify it's cost either
The appeal for me is I don’t reload. And since everyone is going to 9mm, there is going to be a CRAPLOAD of surplus 40 sitting around that’s going to need to be sold which was surplus stock for the military and police. When everyone is shooting 9mm, that means demand for 40 goes down. Which also means when 9mm dries up, I’ll be able to find 40 all day. That AND it’ll be cheaper. Ballistically speaking, 9mm is about on par with 40. Not there yet, for 40 still penetrates deeper. But it’s close. 10mm is a lot of pistol for self defense. And I’m not getting any younger.