Walter Hagenah's R4M rocket attack on six P-51 Mustangs - 10th April 1945
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- On 10th April 1945, Me 262 pilot Leutnant Walter Hagenah took off with his wingman to intercept an American bomber formation. En route, the two jets were attacked by US fighters, with Hagenah’s wingman being shot down. After avoiding this attack, Hagenah was able to ambush the same P-51’s, reportedly using his R4M unguided rockets to shoot down two of the fighters, although only one is credited to him on this day. Hagenah then returned to base under the noses of another group of American fighters strafing the airfield.
According to US sources, there is little to no evidence that this event ever occurred. Similarly, Hagenah’s victories were not confirmed by JG 7 in the desperate last days of the war. As such, it is difficult to corroborate the event with such conflicting accounts. However, I have endeavoured to create this video as it is an interesting and rare aspect of the WWII air war.
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Walter knew my former girlfriend's father who was also a 262 pilot with 5 victories at the very end of the war. RIP Walter, RIP Dietrich. You were brave men.
Based german
and my uncle vvöz ^?^
@@cv507you have no uncle here son!
@@finnish5794Basic fool
Son ? 😮
The ME262 is just simply one of the most beautiful designs ever… it just has a perfection to it
Schwalbe in german, means Swallow. No other name would ever fit an airplane so well.
Real aerial Shark
And the RAF's Vampires and Vulcans. Beautiful designs to look at.
it's my second favorite plane after the Horton 229 flying wing.
@@andrewelliott4436 Nope. Neither in the same aesthetic class as the Me 262A-1a. The Vampire was outright ugly, .Vulcan I'll give 4/5 stars for its unique aesthetic, but I never really liked its lines myself. I always preferred the look of the Victor.of the era's three V bombers. The de Havilland Comet OTOH was an aesthetically magnificent looking design. Of course, ultimately the eye of the beholder dictates individual perception.
What an impressive combat bird so ahead of its time.....in spite of the lack of fuel, the airfields raided, the rookie pikots, the factories bombed round the clock...they still managed to launch into combat such magnificent jets ! Respect.
Respect??The war postponed 30 minutes longer so they could kill 1000 Jewish people more.
Walter was only playing.
They used 10,000 forced laborers, 3,000 of which died to construct a underground site inside a mountain to build a small number of these ME262. Respect? Nah!
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my grandfather was a B 17 pilot had 26 missions over germany and france, he told me he witnessed a "pack of those rocket planes" ( as he described them) absolutley destory an entire air squadron of B 24s, that had been escorted by P51s just a few minutes earlier, he said they came on the them so fast they never saw them coming and they were armed with rockets and cannons, he also said the climbed so fast it was unbelivable as they had no knowledge of the planes existence what so ever, he said by the time they "went to guns" it was to late, the "rocket planes" also took out 3 B17s as they made the last pass, he noticed 1 of them was on fire, smoking from one engine and bieng doggedly pursued by a badly damaged P 51, it to was smoking heavily and coming apart in pieces.....those guy had some guts!
great story a jet pilot send we fly at them so fast we don't have time to use machine guns, big changes for everyone
My grandfather Hermann Rudolph flew ME262’s right at the end of WW2. For. For the most of the War he flew Stukas and then ME109’s. He never stopped talking about 109’s.
@@davidrandall9964 The 109 has more aerial kills than any other aircraft in history. It's literally the best fighter plane ever made.
The Germans did have a rocket plane also. It was powered by rocket engines, not jet engines. Look up Me-163. Could be your grandfather meant them. They traveled very fast but could only stay in action a very short time because it burned through its fuel quickly.
@@sonoftherabbitpeople4737 I don't think the ME-163 ever had that kind of success. It was difficult to get them massed against a bomber formation due to their short flight time (they were essentially a high speed glider). I am surprised how accurate unguided rockets shot from ME-262 were as they were not all that accurate in the air to ground role (see Remagan Bridge); I suspect they didn't have to actually hit their target to cause damage.
Thank you very much for this series. I have read about many of these missions and it is a great joy to watch these very accurate recreations.
When I saw that photo of Hagenah, I yelled "What the f------!!!" He was the absolute spitting image of me when I was 25. He was about the same age as my dad. Michael
I was thinking it looked like you as well!… give me a call, I think your car has an extended warranty…
Actually, he looks like 2 guys i know ... here in Malaysia - Ur younger self seems to hv a number of lookalikes :D
@@frankbottoms8655 haha 😆
one of my mothers uncles was an ace in ww2. he started fighting in russia but was quickly transferred to the mediterranean and afrika. he was wounded and spent some recouping time in germany, though i'm not sure this was what he was actually doing as i've been told by my father who got to talk to him about his time in the luftwaffe that he was one of the testflyers for the Me262. after that he fought in europe to the wars end. he was a Gruppenfürer in JG27 at the end of the war and stayed a couple of years in the new west germany luftwaffe before he became a civilian. i've only met him once and i had no idea about this at that time, and my fascination with flying came after my meeting with him.
i would have loved to talk to him about this while he lived.. I haven't been able to find much information on his actions beside where he was stationed and what his credited kills were.... a cool thing is that i think. is that he at different moments flew with both Bubi and Erich Hartmann.. If i remember correctly i think he was at one point Rote 2 with Hartmann.
He was a real hero your mothers uncle.
Bubi and Erich Hartmann are the same person.
Bubi was Erich Hartmann's nickname
@@Thomas-dr4ro ahh.. there you go.. my knowledge of the German language is quite poor so when I heard this from my kin I misunderstood it as 2 persons. Lol.
Great to see a portrayal of an ME262 in action. Please continue with these excellent videos!
American and british always denied german victories especially concerning victories obtained with the ME-262, trying to diminish the effectiveness of the technically superior 262,but the superioriority of the aircraft shines by itself.
Best fighter plane in WW2. Sad that it came too late though.
Thumbs up for the use of complete markings.
Thanks for the absolutely super animation. Terrific quality.
Thank you, love these stories, these games like IL2s looks perfect when you add some storylines to it
I am German. It is always some fight between hating the war and being ashamed for what happened.
On the oher hand we invented hitech stuff like heat seaking ground to air missiles and jets what came very late when the Allies had grown much stronger. German Engineering at least, beside all dirty of the war, proofed that it was ahead in some areas.
No reason to be ashamed. National Socialist Germany was trying to save Europe from communism. Men from every European country joined them in that fight. Unfortunately, they failed to save Europe and, ultimately, the world from that murderous ideology.
Never be ashamed of Germany. All nations do bad things in war.
ahem. jewish engineering
In your dreams
@@johngreylove1359 your dreams, on the other hand, such as getting to the moon first, you realised by stealing Von Braun's rocket technology.....
What a BEAUTIFUL airplane.
Beautiful work. I would love to see a video like this with Arado’s. Subscribed!
I plan to do the Ar 234 Remagen air attack when the Arado is released
@@sotocinematics On se réjouit déjà de voir cette vidéo sur Remagen. Bravo pour le job. 👍👌
Any chance of one on the Gloster Meteor which saw active service in July 44 with 616 Squadron? Loved the ME 262 information.
Este aparato, el 262. Era infinitamente superior a todo lo conocido, pero, tarde y en pequeña cantidad no pudo cumplir con su destino. No obstante queda clara su categoría y su Gloria.
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Coincido , llego tarde al conflicto, tanto bombardeo aliado demoro su entrada en accion
Pas beaucoup plus rapide que les p51 et spitfire en plus faible autonomie et pas très maniable
That was an awesome video! Thank you.
Cool stuff mate 👍, keep em coming 😃👍👍👍
Excellent cinematics!
'Hagenahs rocket victories are unconfirmed'
Probably because no one on the allies side ever wanted to give any Germans any credit for the success or bravery they had fighting for their own side, that's why.
Great video!
Amazing work, thanks Saludos desde México
Those Me262s are absolutely gorgeous ...
Very possibly the first air to air engagement where another aircraft was shot down by rockets instead of guns,as was the norm during the war.
In the battle of the Y-29, USAAF Captain Melvyn Paisley shot down Fw190 with M10 Rocket.
That was one of the first second generation warplane. (With the english Gloster Meteor). But the german Me262 had axial compressors and modern winged shape. That was the true way of modern flying.This is verry goog animation. Congratulations.
What a rush it must have been for these pilots to feel the thrust and speed of the Me 262 after flying propeller driven aircraft.Ill bet they smiled while their hearts pounded like a victorious falcon .
In one sense climbing, in cruise and attacking yes, but the Me 262 was plagued by the myriad of problems afflicting production in Germany under the dire circumstances also came with its own vulnerabilities. Those Jumo (early jet) engines took a long time to spool up. Initial acceleration is super sluggish. They were fragile, and so couldn't be flogged like a PE could, = advanced experience & skills required. They must have been a TT handling nightmare. Fuel type, quality and supply. Particularly vulnerable on the ground, during takeoff, circuit, approach and landing, which is where the filth prioritised preying upon them.
Thanks for posting this. Big surprise to know R4M rocket was effective against such small turget like P-51 fighter. 🤔
Very well done 👏 I have deep respect for the German pilots 👏 👍
The first Jet-Pilots in the world.
My Grandfather was a Stuka pilot🤙🤙🤙
I am always with fighters,bombers are only murderers
Pilotos alemães que se danem, assassinos.
@@marcolfo100 i agree but they are at the end of the day just mostly boys told by old men what to do and where to go kill and eventually die since being a bomber crew was dangerous.
Interesting story and the graphics are so lifelike it's like you are there. Thanks.
The quality of the this video is fantastic thanks a lot really enjoyed it have a great day..
While the US fighters generally could not keep up with the 262, they would wait until they landed and then attack them.
While there are apparently some challenges as to whether this conflict ever happened, I can relate a P-51/Me 262 engagement that absolutely did occur! An American P-51 pilot named John Cooper Fitch was one of, if not the first American to shoot down a 262. As was typically the case, the P-51 caught the 262 off guard as he was attempting a take off and shot him out of the air. John would chuckle a bit and then say well, they got even by shooting me down sometime afterwards. He was strafing a German supply train and made the mistake of taking a third pass at it, but The German anti aircraft guns were ready by then. John spent a couple of months as a POW before the war ended. Coincidentally, John was a sports car racer, one of the first Americans to race in Europe after the war. He was so good that Mercedes recognized his talents and hired him as a works driver. He was the only American to be hired by the German auto maker! I knew John well, speaking with him multiple times at The Historic Festival at Lime Rock Park road course in Northwestern Connecticut, USA. He was always a joy to speak with and displayed such wonderful speaking skills. Engineering skills also ran in his blood as his namesake relative invented the steam boat. John had 15 patents to his name, the most noteworthy being the Fitch Safety Barriers used around bridge abutments to absorb impact forces of cars making contact at speed. They are credited with saving many thousands of lives. A great man that I will be forever thankful that I knew. RIP John.
Nice story about John Cooper Fitch..
Without this info, men like him don't get the credits and will be forgotten in time. It must have been fearsome to fight an Me262 with 4 x 30mm Guns and R4m rockets..
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Yeager shot his down the opposite way, as it was approaching for landing.
It's kind of easy to claim a victory over an Me 262 by shooting it down during takeoff or landing! The real talent is to successfully shoot it down in flight in a dogfight!
@@erebus8579 - In war, you don't care how you get it, a victory is a victory and one less enemy plane and pilot at times! Your last sentence makes little sense at all. It has less to do with talent than it does with a superior aircraft.
Fantastic graphics!
What do you use to make these videos? Is it just one of the many video games, like War Thunder perhaps? Or it some good at home CGI rendering software? The production value looks pretty good to me, and I really enjoy these.
Thanks, I use IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles il2sturmovik.com/
Such an innovative, game-breaking design, that Me-262 - the world's first ever fighter jet. Can't imagine the confusion & trepidation felt by the first Allied pilots to encounter it in a dogfight. Just imagine: this menacing-looking jet that's faster than anything available at the time, with its powerful cannons...geez. And here's the kicker, it doesn't have a propeller at the front!
No doubt in my mind that if the Me-262 was widely available in large numbers at the start of the war, at the hands of Luftwaffe's skilled pilots, Hitler wins. Having complete air superiority is critical in any war.
Unfortunately for the Germans Hitler pushed for more bomber type airfract. If the programs for increased output of the ME 262s was 1 year or earlier could have made a differnece in the air war. Air superiority at Kursk could perhaps made a difference .Effective allied 1943 bomber formations could have been stopped or wiped out.
You can dig it out but Frank Whittle remained bitter that if the Air Ministry had supported him from the start then the UK would have had jets in the 1930s. He reckoned the Luftwaffe would have had explain to H that they would never get air superiority and therefore forget WW2.
The Me262 was much slower than the Gloster Meteor but the Allies didn’t want to risk a Meteor being captured so they were forbidden from flying over German lines.
@@ptauagpt Functional engines for the Me262 didn’t arrive until 1944 - by which time the Gloster Meteor was also operational having first flown in 1942.
@@allangibson2408 The first flight of the prototype took place on March 5, 1943. The Gloster didn't actually get out of the test phase during World War II. The Gloster Meteor suffered from a tendency for instability around the yaw axis (so-called snaking) at Mach numbers of 0.74 and higher, probably caused by flow separation at the relatively thick tailplane profile. The Tommys didn't even manage to build in a reasonable armament. Their cannons had so many jams that they could not shoot down a German aircraft until the end of the war.
The ME262 is absolutely beutiful. A masterpiee of it´s time
Beautifully made...
Exciting encounter - great animation!
Dirt runway is a mistake - they did not operate from them. The target of the bombers that day was Me 262 airfields, known as "Silberplatz" due to their nice runways and ground support, lacking from these dirt fields.
Absolutely correct, not to mention during wet and humid springtime, when the ground is saturated with water.
That also struck me as unlikely. 190's were designed for dirt strips but the 262 was a thoroughbred and needed long hard runways.
The Me262 could and was operated from dirt runways. They did however set fire to the grass exposing their position, so the preferred operating strip in the late war was the autobahn where the bridges offered effective cover.
@@allangibson2408 I have a copy of one of those recce photos with the curious "J" shaped scorch marks from the 262 launches, but it was the nosegear fragility that put an immediate end to those very early operations. I knew 262 pilots for years and it was only the test pilots that did a grass takeoff. (plus Welter's famous landing at Juterbog-Waldlager / grass Bf 109 airfield when his oxygen system failed). His squadron is the one that was taken to the Autobahn, but its not what you think -- Burg had just been obliterated, so the Army / Heer got orders to activate the "fortress Magdeburg plan" which called for hardening of the region in preparation of the inevitable arrival of Allied ground forces. Part of that was converting the nearby 'Bahn to military use, in this case temporary housing for displaced aircraft that were still serviceable. Welter's men worked all night (I hosted the squadron's only post-war reunion in 2001 in Speyer, Germany) to drag his undamaged aircraft from the woods next to Burg-bei-Magdeburg's smoldering ruins to their next fall-back location, destined to be Lubeck. The attack on their base also signaled the end of Mosquito attacks on Berlin, so they were technically out of a job but they didn't know it yet, so everyone just kept going through the motions. That meant keeping their priceless jets together, and functional, as long as possible as the collapse of their country happened all around them. The 'Bahn flights were quite limited - I know Neppach and I think Jorg and one other member of Kommando Welter took off from the Autobahn, so that means Becker did too. But that wasn't for a mission, that was to relocate to Lubeck, in daylight, on the flight where both Jorg and Becker got porked. So no, they weren't operating from the Autobahn, it was like an emergency stop on their general retreat that ended at Schleswig. Sorry for the text wall, but the TLDR is no, they didn't operate from the autobahn.
The P51 was probably the most advanced piston fighter of the war, and a truly great plane. Thanks to the Merlin engine, it went from average Joe, to top dog. But even then, it wouldn't have faired much better than the Spit, but for its amazing long range ability that really set it apart. The Merlin was a major factor in the Alled victory without doubt.
"The allied victory" was truly a Soviet victory. The Germans were devastated, but still gave the US fits, in site of being the Germans choice in conquerors. If not for the Normandy Invasion, Western Europe would have been a Soviet territory. Doubtful they would start up a war with England IF England ignored Europe. Doubtful the Soviets would have driven Japan out of Manchuria.
No it wasn't. Not even close to the best Engine -Fighters.
@@geraldshearon7264 England was and is not a soverign nation. You mean Britain.
And would have the germans not attacked the Russians and had more ME262, they would have run the allied into the ocean.
@MickeyMouseLovesPam BS
Beautiful design!
Good work ANZAC Mate!
Despite the lack of evidence and the often mistaken (and sometimes dishonest) victory claims, this could very well have happened. All Mustang losses that day may have been attributed to flak and mechanical failure but such rocket strikes whilst flying along straight and level would seem very much like flak explosions.
at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses.
compare that with the US system of
(probable kills and half kills)
so theatrically a pilot could become an ace despite the fact he has never shot down a single plane
@@joebl0w67 Alas, as much as the various claim systems tried to be accurate, analyses of actual vs claimed losses showed they all suffered from over-counting, typically by 50/100%. Germany’s directive 55270/41 was comprehensive but does not hold up well in post war analyses. There are many articles and studies on this, but discussion tends to be dominated by biases rather than facts. This should not, of course, take away from the bravery and frequent sacrifice of the aircrew involved.
That' sounds true thanks for your input
@@joebl0w67 '...at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses...' No they didn't. Show me the records for Hartmann for example from the middle of 1944 onwards... He is one example of a serial overclaimer in the last 12 months of the war...
@@Pokafalva you do not know German bureaucracy. I think they were lost on the last month of the war. And overclaiming came per order from Göring or Göbbels.
My take on it: it was tricky to get a hit by firing even a bunch of R4M rockets at bombers because you had to fire at an angle, as all rockets in those days could not fly straight and level but would drop rather sooner than later.
But for a veteran German pilot, who was lucky, as he said himself, it may have been do-able, even if it was once, at a bunch unsuspecting Allied fighters.
The moment they knew they were in the sights of an Me 262, they would have started evading and then you'd never get even a single one.
This may have actually happened once, but the Allies kept it hush hush so as not to influence the morale of their fighter pilots.
And they could almost guarantee it would never happen again, so fighter tactics need not be changed.
As we see in this video, German fighter pilots airbases were under constant attack and in the last few days of the war, even all throughout the day, making take-offs and landings by daring German pilots certain suicide.
Adolf Galland, in command of the last Me-262 fighter squadron, was transferred with his unit to Salzburg in Austria, late April 1945.
Here he found the Allied fighter planes were not even attacking anymore, just flying circles over their airfield, hoping that the US ground forces would seize the base and its remaining Me-262s intact. I believe the Me-262s were grounded because of lack of fuel or spare parts.
As US tanks started rolling down the runway, the Germans quickly destroyed the last possibly operational Me-262s of the war.
There were a lot (hundreds) of unused Me-262s still in the factories though so taking a few to ship them to the US and testing them there was no problem.
What an exciting narration!
Amazing job
The 262 still looks like a modern plane
It was one of Hitler's "Wonder Weapons", or _Wunderwaffen._ Advanced weapons, but too late, too few, to change the tide of the war.
And I thought memeing fighters with rockets is a War Thunder thing. Another excellent video.
War Thunder is for kids. IL2 or DCS is the state of the art.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN indeed ,
Try WW2 Aces for the Wii (!) you fly a Meteor and armed with rockets, you can decimate FW190's all day. Of course its super easy but fun as the learning curve is about 3 minutes. Ive never tried it on HARD setting. The Ba 349 'Natter' would have been an all rocket (propulsion and weapons) vertically launched last effort weapon. Didn't even have landing gear. Probably would have been a Hitler Youth suicide vehicle, one and done. Fire your batch salvo rocket load at a formation, clear and bale out.
Wow! SUBSCRIBED!
Fantastic, congrats!
3:05 is that firing distance realistic according to the report?
The report states about 500m, but I fired from closer for the video.
Victors write the history books and the vanquished are condemned for eternity
We should all forget about the excellent German writers on WW2, then? The likes of Jochen Prien, Hans Ring, Michael Meyer, Paul Stipdonk, Gerhard Stemmer, Winfred Bock. Your contention doesn't hold water...
@@Pokafalva But the stories of others is hidden because they didn't meet political criteria.
@@williamzk9083 What are the stories that are hidden because they didn't meet political criteria? Your reply is very vague...
in this case they should be condemned.
@@Pokafalva how many incredible stories, works of art, music, love, life, laughter was taken from the world by these pricks, no sympathy for them at all.
Entertaining recreation of events.
Cool vid 👍
This is a cool aircraft years ahead of its time,,,helped spearhead design but to late in the war,,,,it was already lost.....
The probability of hitting such a relatively small target with unguided rockets, even fired in a salvo, was certainly very low... Nice video anyway.
In the Deutsches Museum in Munich there is a ME 262 equipped with R4M launchers. To my big surprise they were made out of wood!
Case in point, I tried about 30 times before I actually hit those 2 planes!
@@sotocinematics that's dedication!
@Alain Michel - i've read your comment and stopped for a spit second, thinking...... "i hope he meant, that launchers, not R4Ms are made out of wood..."🤣
@@MothaLuva No. They were fitted with fuses that detonated after a certain flight time/distance. The Nazis never developed a proximity fuse despite work begun in the early 1930s, which was not pursued to a conclusion. The proximity fuse was originally an imperfect British invention from 1940 shared with the US who developed it into an effective weapon by late 1942. It was one of the allies best kept secrets, up there with the Manhattan Project and Colossus and Bletchley Park
But you are right about the 'shotgun' or 'beaten zone' effect of the R4M. If deployed and fired correctly, it was an effective weapon which could break up formations, making gun attacks by 262 and other fighters easier.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN Agree, my bad. The R4M was equipped with a percussion fuse, and the Germans were additionally experimenting with a combined percussion/time fuse which was in development and under evaluation. To my surprise, it was actually really relying in hitting a target directly.
I got a wee little bit curious. Although it seems like Leutnant Hagenahs shot down wingman was just a second rate pilot, I still got curious as to who was he and did he manage to bail out or did he die.
Voilà de très belles images de synthèse!
Would like to see a video on Hans-Guido Mütke’s supersonic dive on P-51’s in his ME-262 where he apparently became the first man to fly supersonic….you can read about it in Wikipedia under his name . His ME-262 is still in a Swiss air museum.
The 262 was thoroughly tested by the allies after the war.
Reaching Mach 1 in a 262 was impossible.
The 262 would go into uncontrollable gyrations and break up.
@@raypurchase801 The first production plane to reach Mach 1 was the F-86 Sabre which could only do it in a dive, deep dive.
@@sergeant64 THANKS! The 262 didn't get swept wings for aerodynamic reasons. Construction of the mock-up was underway when the designers realised the engines would be heavier than expected. The easiest way to correct the C of G was to fit swept wings. The angle of sweep was too small for any advantage. The Sabre's greater sweep made all the difference.
@@raypurchase801 …I believe it was later tested as a model and was proven to be able to go supersonic.
@@hertzair1186 At high near-Mach numbers, the "real life" 262 tried to break itself up and became uncontrollable. Interestingly, the piston-powered Hawker Tempest was only marginally slower in a dive, thanks to its very slim wings. It wouldn't actually go out of control, but it did start suffering airframe damage at which point the pilots ceased their test. In combat conditions, regular pilots (as opposed to test pilots) would never push their aircraft to the absolute limit of their aircraft's performance envelope. Because it wasn't needed and they didn't want to kill themselves.
If you fly IL2, Battle of Bodenplatte, the 262 armed with R4M rockets is pretty devastating in the ground attack role, especially against artillery, railcars. locomotives and other soft skinned vehicles.
I can't remember which Me 262 ace but he said the 30mm MK108 canon were effective against tanks. He simply targeted engine louvers on the rear of the tank and the cannon shells blast concussions and incendiary effect destroyed the engine.
It was basically useless as a multirole attack bomber, because the pilot couldnt really see anything below the aircraft. But as a pure air superiority dogfighter, instead, it could outrun basically everything of that age.
It was not made in sufficent numbers and was not properly used for air defense as it should, but if it would, it could have made a big difference.
@@ilmaio The Me 262 would have had two ways to deliver bombs accurately. The first was electronic ones. The EGON blind bombing system could be used by single seat fighters and so could the Zyklops beam riding blimd bombing system. All these systems were used by the Fw 190 and Arado Ar 234. The new Lutwaffe IFF "Neuling" had in built capability for blind bombing. There were some issues with bombs slip streaming of the bombs but probably could be handled by bombing a moderate speed (440mph) pending the development of longer racks or positive ejection.
-The other was the TSA2D toss bombing sight. The pilot entered into a dive and lined up the target. The bomb sight took in altitude, variometer descent rate, and if available FuG 101a radar altimeter. A busser sounded, pilot conducts a pull up and accelerometer tracks position and TSA2D automatically releases bombs at right time in pull up.
The sight was tested on both Fw 190 and Me 262 and actually seems to have seen use in combat by KG51. The sight worked well with the jet due to less vibraion affecting the acceleromter.
Of course in June 6 1944 neither the bomb sight TSA2D or the Jumo 004B engines were ready.
i think the R4M is meant to take down large bomber formations, they are very small for ground attacks however the WFr GR would be suitable
Esto debería verse en history channel
Yah, the jet’s gun cameras might not activate with rocket firing. Bravo for your remarkable graphics!
Fantastic video , sensationel. The ME 262 first turbine jet fighter fighting against bomber destruction of Germanys cities 1945.
imagine this was a us "thing" we would have a hollywood movie of that with brad pit or harrison ford. 🤣 but so it was only a brave german pilot and only we here in youtube give him the salut he truly earned...... horrido lt. hagenah
Excellent.
Nice Animation!
Brave man
If you are 20 years ahead with technology, but enemy has outnumbered your forces 10 or 20 times
The big problem of the Germans is not the lost war, but what they have made of their country politically. Every work-shy person is accepted and given $500, free housing, free health insurance, and free heating. Already the streets don't look like Germany but like Turkey... Sad!
5:08 to 5:16 Awesome shot of the Me 262!!
Good stuff!
On 24 March, 1,714 bombers, escorted by approximately 1,300 fighter aircraft, targeted 18 Luftwaffe airfields.[38] Schall led 10. Staffel at about 12:00 from Parchim airfield and engaged the bombers south of Berlin. Approximately 15 Me 262s, the majority of them armed with R4M air-to-air rockets, claimed a number of bombers destroyed, including a B-17 by Schall.[
The question is rather how could any one of the German defenders survive against 1300 enemy fighters?
if those 1300 was in majority ESCORT planes, their mission was to ESCORT bombers at close, but to to follow some me262 for 50miles off side of the group they protected. The 262 strategy was short attack then go fast. Not a shitty p51 carbureted garbage would keep up with running me262, not to mention other maneuvres of attack them from underneath.
its a scary thought you have 15 planes they have 100 times as many lol
@@mikepette4422 Very true. These many of allied fighter created a spray of bullets and did not even need to aim properly.
That‘s likely the reason why they often did not even know who scored the hit. Thus it happened that they scored fractions of kills !
@@napraznicul actually, once doolittle took over 8th AF, the doctrine changed for the better to allow escorts to go after bandits instead of staying tied to the bombers
@@daiichidokuGermam pilots of me262= "the bandits"?! They were patriot soldiers fighting against the "bandit" invaders which were "fuelled" by other bandits, those which owns global financiar system 😅
Reading I fought You From The Skies 1964. written by a FW 190 pilot. He admitted he lied about the numbers of available fighters for operations once because his men were exhausted from ground attack missions. This is one of many ways a squadron commander can monkey around with numbers.
Well, Willi Heilmann's book is considered by the experts in this field of interest as one of the least trustworthty among German pilot biographies. Do you read German?
Hagenah's bird was usually a Weiss 5, according to Osprey Ace series
How fast did it go compared to the Mustangs?
In Memory of our WWII heros....
just the allies, on one cares about the dead axis soldiers. do you forget what they did? all of them. all of them. gassing children and they fought for that regime.
Still imagine the Weapon technic which used in the Me 262 was far beyond the allies had.................
Ace mate 😉👍
Nice animation.
Unfortunately, the Me 262 was deployed 2 1/2 years too late. Otherwise Germany would have shown the Americans and the British "where the hammer hangs" and possibly bombed New York and Washington!
ME262 would have a rough time flying to New York from Europe.
Schöne Bilder, aber sehr unrealistisch, die ungelenkte R4M Luft/Luft Raketen mit elektronischen Näherungszünder und Aufschlagszünder im cal. von 5,5cm mit einer Sprengladung von 550gramm Hexogen,wurde nur gegen große 4 Motorige Bomber eingesetzt, gegen feindliche Jagtflugzeuge reichte schon 1Treffer aus den 4x 30mm.Maschinenkanonen MK.108 ,da diese meistens mehrere erhielten, Explodierten sie in einem Feuerball.
As all things in war! Some are lucky and others are not!
Very fine flight simulator. Congratulations.
were 262's operating from rough unpaved fields?
Incredibly and simply amazing these people of that time. They deserve my entire respect regarding of their courage and capabilities
Brave German pilots!!! 👍👍👍👍🐺
Brave!
I'll give Hagenah credit. The other pilot died in futility, and was in no way brave.
Brave yes , but they also had no choice. Not like American pilots who after a certain number of missions they were able to get out of combat. And go become a instructor or something teach what you have learned and pass it on to other future pilots. Or sell war bonds. German pilots had to just keep goin and it’s not a question of if your going to be shot down it’s when your shot down. Not too many lived through the war. And they amassed staggering aerial victory numbers.
Best of the best, ME262 State of the art at the time..
@@judd0112 American pilots weren’t brave at all
How come you do not have a video on the Red Tails?
Good Video.
It's all very well having the first jet Fighters but waiting until the enemy is at your door is sorta late to make a difference and the same applies to the V1 & V2 rockets.
50+ allied countries Vs Germany and a couple of useless allies....the wrong side won and you are about to reap the conseqences
@@WillyEckaslike Ya mean Ivan dont ya Will? I hope not for the entire world's sake
As an allied piolet seeing one of these must of been a real thrill......😁
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What is this for a Simulator?
Warthunder or IL2 Sturmovik ?
gran error, los me-262 no podían despegar desde pistas no preparadas, ni desde pistas con asfalto. Necesitaban pistas de hormigón y eso las hacía más fáciles de detectar.
FAES from El Salvador, still have these mustangs
Who cares what you have or what you don't.
I'm finding it a little hard to believe a P-51 caught up to an Me 262, unless the 262 pilot made a horrible blunder. Which is more likely the case.
they couldn't attack at 540mph, they had to slow to engage the bombers. That is where most open-air victories against the Me-262 were claimed. By far the majority were lost either taking off (17% of...) and landing (66% of 262s reported lost due to enemy activity).
Warriors are a special breed.
The two best looking fighter models of the war.
yes, the me262 and fw190d-9/ta152 were the best looking fighters of the war.
Don't tell me - this is Germany's contribution to helping Ukraine defence itself from Russia - a couple of ME262s from WW2?
Excellent video recreation. Closely follows the report given by Lt. Hagenah as documented in the Forsyth book, "ME 262 VS P51". Forsyth's book is a fascinating read, and it quickly dispels 3 myths about the ME 262, the P51 and the unavoidable collision in air battle between the two aircraft.
MYTH 1: the ME 262 was a SUPERPLANE that could have won WW2. TOTALLY false. The ME 262 was a first generation jet with many developmental issues that made it extremely vulnerable to mature technology piston-engine fighters. The ME 262 should be recognized and admired as the stunning technological achievement it truly was, being developed, tested and deployed under constant Allied bomber attack. There were just over 1400 Me 262's built, with a total of only 200-250 ever being made operational, and never more than 100 total operational at any given time. P51B/C/D's shot down more than 140 ME 262's, well over 60% of the operational ME 262's. The ME 262 was far from being a SUPERPLANE.
MYTH 2: the P51B/C/D was a SUPERPLANE that won WW2 all by itself. TOTALLY false. There were many other fighters that were better than the P51 in certain flight characteristics. Basically the P51 had better overall average flight characteristics, although not the best in any particular one, EXCEPT the P51 had the exceptionally long range that allowed it to loiter over Germany, having the time to effectively dismantle Luftwaffe effectiveness. The P51B/C/D was a kind of a "jack of all trades, but master of none" fighter. And the P51B/C/D came along at the exact time in history that it was desperately needed to save USAAF daylight bombing, and to effectively reduce Luftwaffe effectiveness to the point that D-Day could occur, making a major mark on history that no other fighter aircraft could. This is why the P51 usually, and arguably rightfully, tops any list of "Greatest Fighter Planes". The P51 with a good pilot could shoot down any other fighter in WW2. But the reverse is also true. The P51 was far from being a SUPERPLANE.
MYTH 3: The P51 could only shoot down the ME 262 during take off and landing. TOTALLY false. The P51 killed ME 262's at high altitude in high speed combat during bomber formation attacks, and roughly 70% of P51 kills of ME 262's were of this category. As this video shows, the P51 with altitude advantage, using high speed gained in a dive, could temporarily stay with a full throttle ME 262 trying to escape to the point that ANY mistake by the ME 262 was a kill by the P51, as happened to Lt Hagenah's wingman. One 8th Air Force fighter pilot, after staying dead even with full throttle ME 262's trying to escape his diving P51D, reported that he felt that if the supercharger boost was adjusted slightly higher on the P51's Packard-Merlin engine, that the P51 could actually gain on and catch diving Me 262's!
The Me 262A not designed to dogfight fighter! According to Royal Navy test pilot, Captain Eric Brown this is the following excerpt: "This was a Blitzkrieg aircraft. You whack in at your bomber. It was never meant to be a dogfighter, it was meant to be a destroyer of bombers".
To continue, German pilots soon found out that the Me 262's clean design also meant that it, like all jets, held its speed in tight turns much better than conventional propeller-driven fighters, which was a great potential advantage in a dogfight as it meant better energy retention in manoeuvres.The Me 262A as long as they did not allow themselves to get drawn into low-speed turning contests and saved their maneuvering for higher speeds it was a relatively safe airplane. Although there were losses at high altitude it was generally because of their relative inexperience. The great loss suffered by the Me 262A was mainly achieved when landing and takeoff, also because of very slow spooling. But it soon became very hazardous for the allies as the Luftwaffe countered by installing extensive alleys of anti-aircraft guns along the approach lines to protect the jet fighters and if fuel was available by providing top covers with the Fw 190-D9. Soon those tatics was discontinued because of the losses to attack those airfields.
@@paoloviti6156 Excellent, historically accurate points. Also the ME 262 pilot's standing orders were to attack bombers and avoid the P51's, an IMPOSSIBLE order to follow, as any attack on bombers brought the P51's after the ME 262.
The major problem for 30mm cannon-armed ME 262's in bomber attack was a 550 MPH jet attacking 250 MPH bombers with short ranged 30 mm cannon that required the jet getting into the long range fire of .50 BMG's(Browning Machine Gun's) well before the 30 mm cannon could reach the bombers. For an accurate hit on the bombers, the ME 262 had to slow, making the jet a sitting duck for P51's because of the jet's slow throttle response, and lack of maneuverability. Slowed to 350-400 MPH, the ME 262 was an easy kill for the P51.
IF the ME 262 flashed thru a bomber formation at 550 MPH, shotgunning the 30 mm cannons hoping for a lucky hit, then the P51 squadrons high above the bomber formation, could use dive speed to come after the jet, and if the P51 dive was timed correctly for its path to cross the ME 262, the ME 262 was in serious trouble, as the jet's only option for survival was to run, as the jet was not likely to survive a turning fight with a P51. If the P51 was temporarily staying with the ME 262 with dive speed, any turn by the jet, even slight turns still maintaining full air speed, allowed the more maneuverable P51 to cut across the arc and decrease range to the jet. And a huge advantage the P51 had was carrying six .50 BMG's. The .50 BMG had much longer range than the 30mm and 20 mm cannons, and could register destructive hits well beyond 20/30mm cannon range. The .50 BMG's long range ability was probably the deciding factor in P51 success against ME 262's, because the P51 was straining at the absolute limits of its performance envelope to engage an ME 262 at speed and needed every advantage possible.
The ME 262 was at the most dangerous configuration to the RAF/USAAF when armed with the R4M rockets because the range and speed differential problems outlined above were somewhat negated by the rockets, allowing the ME 262 to perform at the deadliest and most efficient level.
"making a major mark on history that no other fighter could"
Um...the Spitfire? 🤔
@@stangoodvibes The Spitfire made its mark on history, as did the overlooked Hurricane. Plenty of other great fighters made similar marks on history too (Typhoon / Tempest, P38, P47, Wildcat, Hellcat, Corsair, etc.). However, the Spitfire, P47, & P38 up thru December 1943, had not been able to dismantle the effectiveness of the Luftwaffe, and dismantling Luftwaffe effectiveness was absolutely essential before the Normandy invasion could happen. The P51B/C accomplished in 4 months what the Spitfire, P38 and P47 could not accomplish in the previous 4 years, dismantling Luftwaffe effectiveness to the point that when the D-Day landings occurred, the Luftwaffe was virtually nonexistent. The German Soldiers during D-Day, with bitter humor observed, "If you see a dark plane it's British, if you see a silver plane, it's American, if you see no plane, it's the Luftwaffe". The P51B/C is the reason that happened, and that is the reason the P51 made a major mark on history that no other fighter has, before or since.
@@63DW89A sure. I get your point, but what I meant was the Spitfire was the fighter that won The Battle Of Brittain, because it could compete again the 109 in ways the Hurricane couldn't. Without that decisive air victory and the subsequent lack of invasion of the UK due to the Luftwaffe unable to get the necessary air superiority needed, the war might have had a different outcome. So while yes, the P51 was the decisive aircraft later in the war, if you are going to single out one fighter that made the most historical statement in WW2, I'd still go for the Spitfire. Maybe our perspectives differ because of our nationalities. I'm English by birth (also the Spitfire was the first Airfix plastic kit my dad and I built together in the 70s. I had a 1/32 Spitfire, Hurricane, and Me262 hanging from the ceiling in my bedroom 😁)
Bravo!
Best fighter of WW2 and most feared