Have Star Citizen Devs just KILLED THE CORSAIR
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The problem with this is that those weapons were pilot controlled for a reason. They are aimed with the nose of the ship. How does giving them to a co-pilot to press a button make any sense. Who wants to sit and do that.
yeah, devs have never played an SPG in a multi-crew tank game, 90% a horrible experience.
Drake is just celebrating diversity by engineering their first Banu-human crossover.
Yep this is such a shame. Reminds me of the scorpius anteries “turret gunner” 🥱 😴
This wasn’t a rebalance. They’re trying to push Corsair owners to spend the money to upgrade.
the weapons are not only gimbled, but also on a rotating plate ... they just need to enable it to rotate a bit.
The copilot guns get higher capacitance so this will have higher ammo if a gunner fires it. Unfortunately we have no idea yet what this means for the ship in Pyro
They marketed the fact that it had massive firepower under one piolet, they have lied and sold an item under false pretences..
As exploration ship it still does have massive firepower
@@sunscriber A ship called CORSAIR. Not explorer, navigator, not galleon, CORSAIR. Let it sink.
@@sunscriber there is a reason people joke about it only exploring other people's cargo holds.
@@sunscriber Cig making yet another button monkey position is not good game play the co pilot already has a turret forcing them to choose between a turret that has missile control and 360 degrees of vision VS only pulling a trigger when pilot tells them too is not good game play.
That's really the issue. An exploration ship should have never been marketed that way
Multi-crew positions should be doing things that the pilot is too busy to do, not stuff the pilot is perfectly capable of doing. Things like shooting straight forward, firing torpedoes, pressing the EMP button, etc. should all be done by the pilot. Multicrew shouldn't exist for the sake for multicrew, multicrew should exist because the tasks are too complex for one person to do alone.
That's like putting the turn signals on your car on the passenger seat to encourage multi-crew gameplay of your car, or putting the gear shifter for higher gears on the passenger controls "to stop the car from being too OP when solo". And before anyone makes the "but this is a game, not real life" argument, nobody does shit like that in Forza or Gran Turismo either.
well put. I dont mind the crew being able to help launch missiles and shit so I can keep shooting/flying, or help with managing the shields or something, but I shouldn't HAVE to depend on it. they are just coming up with tasks no one wants to do, for people who would rather do the task themselves. especially when it comes to the shit I'm already doing like aiming/shooting fixed nose guns, I would rather that dude go put out a fire... peel potatoes in the galley... bring their own ship that might actually add something to the gameplay or serve a purpose.
I'm heavily suspicious they realize they cannot provide meaningful reasons for the extra seats so they are trying this shit out. I mean when they got away with it with the Antares
Until CiG ship sales come down to a screeching halt, I can’t knock their business practices even if I don’t agree.
If people continue to purchase vehicles where the turn signal starts out on the driver side but then they recalled the vehicle to put the signal on the passenger side, so the owner trades in his car and get a new car from the same manufacturer… then who am I to call that company crazy.
I think we so badly want Chris to be one of the good guys in the gaming industry, but he’s been showing us who he is for the past decade and we just look the other way because it doesn’t fit our picture perfect narrative.
@@blackmamba___ he's never been a good guy.... you should criticize their model if you understand economics. How do they pay for the servers after launch with a 15 year back log of already bought ships and more then likely no new players
@@frogger2011ify It seems their yearly answer is to nerf old ships and sell newer ones. I'm just waiting for the year that the player base says "Enough is enough already and closes up their wallets".
I totally agree.. They promised us in the FAQ that the pilot has the full control. And just like you said, they are reading the data wrong. I used to play the corsair for it's firepower while being solo.
I now dont want to touch the corsair anymore... Just an drake explorer that's now solo useless...
no they didn't they said that in the near future they could delegate system/features to other places. Which this is one of them giving the co-pilot something.
@@jagger6163that seat already has something to do, now they are a button monkey
@@jagger6163 the copilot already controlled the only turret that mattered... now they control a set of guns they can't even aim, that the Pilot was always supposed to have. who the hell is supposed to control the remote turret now? If they wanted to dial back the DPS from the pilot, this was probably the dumbest way to do it.
I feel like that issue of Corsair getting too many kills is not an immediate one and nobody complained about it.
They just want to obsolete it to sell new ships, c'mon. People try too hard to read good intentions.
It tells me they are only looking at data which you CAN NOT DO AS A BALANCE GUY alone, or shit will not feel or work right. Numbers are not the only thing that matters when it comes to balance. Which is clear by there genius idea of a fix, to make a stationary gun, crew-able, gee how fun. Balance is part numbers part feels, you need both to work together.
@@jodomarj9063 honestly if it was gimbaled, it would still suck... to me it sounds like someone at CIG forgot to do their homework until the morning it was due.
It's bound to get much less kills when nobody is flying it for combat anymore. Oh look the Connie's are getting way too many kills now.
If they really thought it was op they should have just turned the 2 wing cannons into missiles, and downsized the 4 size 5s to size 4s and bumped up the remote turret for the co pilot. I wonder what other big ship they're bringing out to compete with the corsair that they suddenly thought of this
Lol
They’ll probably do that once everyone sell off the ship. If everyone move another ship, then they’ll nerf that too. If you’re chasing the meta, CiG is telling you that you’re not going to win.
@@blackmamba___ HAHAHA Corsair being meta, aham, and HH is meta anti fighter too Right?
@@StoneCoolds I’m sure those will get nerf too. It’ll be one thing if they were looking at the stats on paper to determine what gets nerf. But they’re looking at kill ratio compared to the rest of the verse to see what is OP.
@@blackmamba___ PVE kill ratio***
It's like buying a Porsche because you love that power, and suddenly remotely Volkswage Porsche decide to lower the speed and the power of the car that you bought...
Is that legal???
I mean we all buy stuff for XY reasons, and no body in the market dreams to nerf the product after, because it will break the legality of product selling
First of all you didn't buy the ship. Second of all, if you don't know the stats of ships change for balance during Alpha you must have been living under a rock. More importantly if you didn't read the disclaimer, that's your fault.
love this comparison!
@@robertjohnston8531 So I'm speaking on behalf of the people who bought a product publicized with some characteristics. Or maybe you don't understand how market and product selling works?? Maybe in your world you can say: I'm selling a house, post pictures and information, and after you get the MONEY you sell a tent?? Is this your understanding of how markets work?
@@robertjohnston8531 No, because they sell the ship with those features, otherwise just sell a ship without listing the components. There is no way you can paint this as not shit.
@@ch_boki That argument is not valid, as the marketed those ships with said features.
If the Corsair needs to be reworked due to pilot DPS being unbalanced, I had a better idea chatting with friends who own Corsairs. The Corsair has six S2s, two S4s, and four S5s. Give the pilot _all_ of the S2s. Six S2s is still a lot of power. Then give the two S4s to the co-pilot's remote turret. Finally, give each manned turret a pair of S5s. This would make the Corsair less deadly solo, but an absolute beast when fully-crewed.
The s3 are literally manned turrets and a remote turret... Your friends must have been smoking the food stuff lol
Nothing I said was incorrect. That's where all the S2s come from. Currently both the manned turrets and the remote turret have dual S2 Badgers. So 3x2=6. Take those 6x S2s and give them to the pilot. Then take the Pilot's 2x S4s and give them to the remote turret. Finally you give both of the 2 manned turrets 2x S5s. No change in the guns given to the Corsair, just a change in which guns are mounted where.
@@Storm-Cleaver manned turrets, M-A-N-N-E-D, how is the pilot going to control those? With cables and a go pro ?
You should really wait until you're sober before reading and replying to anything. You do exactly what I said you put all six S2s up font on the six mounts controlled by the pilots. Then you put the two S4s on the Remote Turret and you put two of each of the S5s on the Manned Turrets.
Here is a solution to make the Corsair less OP but also make it better for multicrew:
Remove the 2x s4 wing guns.
Make the remote turret 2x S4.
IMO having a copilot control 2/4 frontal guns while also have the remote turret just doesnt make sense at all.
Or Downsize the guns to two dual or triple S4.
@@skitsnack1 corsair is not op it is a lie
how was it OP? The only thing it had over its competitors was its guns, gas tank, and rule of cool (if that's something you care about). the connies shit on it in all other aspects.
The balance in the Corsair already was the fact that the wings fell off easily and if moved so freaking slow. This was just not needed
And all they said was, "It got more kills."
More kills in what? If it's just PVE, who cares?
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC i believe it was a lie. Connie has whole light fighter + co pilot can shoot rockets, corsair had only 2 S4 guns more than a connie and additional turret, you cant shoot anything with that weak turrets. Oh and corsair have a lot less HP than connie. Corsair only had more kills because it was used more, but if you count DPS with full crew, i fail to see how corsair is overpowered in comparison to connie. Scam citizen just make ppl to spend money on other ships thats it. Im almost sure they will sell something in large ship class size on next ship sale, something that going to be in connie/corsair class.
@@MurderousNoise Corsair had more kills because of the better pilot controlled firepower. Most players fly these ships Solo.
And the Corsair was never overpowered in comparison to the connie. But for Solo players better in PVE.
BTW there isn't a huge HP difference. Only on paper the Connie has more. But only because of more parts. Most of the time you focus on one part. Like the tail or the nose. And there is only a 5000 HP difference. A stock Corsair with all power to weapons has 4058 dps. So you live around 2 seconds longer in a connie....
@@vonrosphe3098 must add that most pilots fly on connie solo as well, 2 S4 is barely noticeable addition to those 4 S5. Im sure they killed corsair because it created an economical problem for them, many ppl decided it will be their main ship and it lowered CIG income.
@@vonrosphe3098 5000 HP difference?! the Connie has 180K HP, the Corsair has 90k HP, while still having the same amount of shields, and most of the time you don't sit still in combat so that damage gets spread around some, at least if you know what you are doing. As far as Pve goes who cares what people are using? whether I show up in a Corsair with a lot of guns, or in a retaliator and throw 6 s9 torps, it's a shit ton of pilot-controlled firepower. not to mention all the damage of the Corsair is tied up in its guns while the Andromeda has similar guns and 80K damage in missiles compared to the Corsair's 20k.
I bought the corsair because it had good firepower, that was its selling point, now CIG has made it useless in my eyes,I would like a refund, but that won't be happening anytime soon ,my wallet is closed to CIG now, I have had it with the lies .😢 6:14
Same here, I am pissed, along with them deleting my post because they didn't like that I said I felt like I was scammed. He is an idiot if thinks that taking a fixed turret and make it manned is going to be fun how? Also, how can you do balance like this when not all the game systems are in?
@@jodomarj9063 they dont want it to be fun, they want people to fly it less (buy other ships, they already milked the Corsair for what they could). If they really want it multi-crewed, they would make multi-crew gameplay fun instead of penalizing you with crapper rep grind, shitty turrets, and game-breaking bugs that keep people from playing together. Not shocked they deleted your posts either... maybe you're a little too close to the target.
You do realize it has the same firepower, right? You'll just need a crew member. Plus, you signed a contract both when signing up for the game and when buying the ship that all things are subject to change. You accepted the risk and now that you don't like a direction they're going, you're saying they lied to you. Read the contract bf you sign next time.
@@BigBobBlazer You do realize how hard it is to hit a target with a fixed gun on a moving platform that you do not control. They marketed it with all those features. Do you go an order a Ferrari and when they deliver it to you it’s a ford fiesta?
@@BigBobBlazer the same firepower if I can find someone who wants to sit there and shoot guns they can't aim when it's hard enough to find someone to sit in an actual turret. It's just a dumb way to try and tune it. especially when you get penalized for grouping up.
I believe CIG really hate their backers - We understand the game is in alpha but that is the point. Many multiplayer features are not in the game therefore it takes a lot of effort to setup a session with even one person. WIth all the issues and broken promises, I have given up trying to convice others to play so I was happy flying my Corsair alone in whatever SC had to offer. Now they have nerfed the ship when there are so many other things to deal with at the moment which gives rise to the idea they may have an ulterior motive to sell another ship which would really be sad. If they stated that the ship was two powerful than nerf the guns but to take two of the most powerfun guns out of the pilots hands to give to a copilot that has no control over direction shows this was not a decision given any serious thought to the player/backer. Promoting multiplayer by killing Solo play is not the answer. It would not be such an issue if we could hire AI pilots or have blades. WHy not wait to implement this change when you actually have options for different types of players.
Nerf is one thing-a smaller gun with a slowed fire rate-but changing how the guns are designed for pilot use makes no sense. The rationale is that the ship works as designed, so cripple is also bad. Following that reasoning, I am waiting for the four-person couch turret, one person per gun. Let's put a crew member behind the Ares guns...you know, co-pilot. For that point, why cant I fly with the co-pilot seat?
Another reason normies looking into the project say it's a scam
Ares Ion all over again.
old news unfortunally
This ship was way OP. The game is breaking down into just a handful of ships that players actually use. They need to be balanced. It does stink when they come back years latter and do the rebalancing.
I have been saying this since my third month of playing. The Star Citizen audience is mostly people with limited playtime and usually solo players. Limiting solo gameplay is going to affect CIG's revenue stream. But it also suggest that CIG might be interested in the console community who are younger and have more time to play together.
“The most pilot controlled guns” how is that not false advertisement?
because you're not buying a ship, the terms of agreement is that you are pledging an amount of funds to support the project and are rewarded with the rights to a ship, you've purchased nothing, it's not false advertising because you don't own it.
We want those guns moved away from the pilot, distributed armament is the future, and those extra crew will now have Engineering and Fire management to contend with. Our game is becoming a man
CIG doesn't like people having fun, especially when it's solo. Any ship that people have enjoyed over the years, CIG has always nerfed down one way or another. They put a bunch of tedious and time consuming mechanics in the game and nerf ships people enjoy instead of improving other ships. NO! FUN! ALLOWED!
CIG has made it a lot harder to stay in love with this game lately. I have a full time job a wife and kids. I bought in to it in 2012 but it's like they're trying to push my type of people away. I don't have time to find someone I can trust to share my ship who has my same schedule, and picking some rando of the day when I log in is too risky. That on top of the fact that they've made it an impossible grind now to get the big ships (after the next WIPE, that is; I'm set up well currently), and I don't know what I'll do with SC in the future.
Its a dumb nerf to make the copilot the gunner when they cant even aim the nose weapons
They Can aim the nose weapons.
I'm not even a Drake fan and the Corsair WON me over! That ship is so versatile that I prefer it over the Constellations, 600i, Star Runner. So, now I'm wondering what new ship is coming out that is meant to usurp it on the pledge store.
Putting the big guns that are pilot controlled to a copilot control instead of the secondary weapons from the wing is a deliberate nerf to devalue the ship in order to favor the Connie series that still have the four main guns in the pilots control. This is simply favoring RSI brand because it has Chris's name on it. It is petty and dumb. If they were just looking for something for the copilot to do they could have added a remote tractor beam to the back and given control to the copilot. This choice is repulsive.
no no brother it's even worse. The copilot already controlled the only turret that mattered. so now we're losing that, to instead have them control guns that didn't need to be delegated to someone else in the first place. and when it's hard enough to find a turret gunner because turrets suck, how are we going find someone who wants to just left-click and not even aim...
If they have to take away firepower for rational balance reasons, that's what must be done, but giving another turret to a seat that already has one is not rational. They could just change the size of the weapons or reduce their numbers and that would make more sense. This seems like they're about to try to sell us a new concept ship with lots of guns. That may sound cynical, but it isn't out of character for CIG of 2024.
If you think this is bad, wait until you hear about the people who bought into the game because they liked the previous flight model.
Previous fm blew chunks too. SC has never had a good fm, and I have been here since day 1.
Their reasoning is that the corsair is too lethal... so they reduce the fun and satisfaction the pilot can have and created a job that literally no one wants to play (dedicated button pusher) ? This is beyond non-sensical. If the dps is the issue, lower the gun size or remove the wing guns. If they are planning to give the corsair the chin turret it used to have in concept, then what exactly are they testing with forward facing guns controlled by the co pilot ? there is no rational explanation to this from a "make the game fun" perspective.
There's always going to be a ship getting more kills than everything else. Are they just going to Nerf every best ship every single time? Most players are just going to the Connie now, which was already a great and powerful ship. So now most of the kills that the Corsair were getting are just going to go to the Connie. Are they going to Nerf that again?
Yes, once the new ship that rivals the Connie comes out they will nerf it, just like the Starlancer nerfed the corsair
I almost never play with friends, because I don’t have 2 1/2 hours to meet up somewhere. And all to eventually die because CIG can’t make non-lethal ramps and elevators.
Corsair & Retaliator owner here. I bought both as doing solo ERTs are my main aUEC generator. But yea, the Corsair getting nerfed is the same as the Inferno, Ion and Redeemer, which is getting another balance to make it less tanky and more manoeuvrable.
Balance in SC is still off, multi crew is a good objective, but it doesn’t appeal to players who only have an hour each night to blow up something, and the increase in in-game prices has lead to more people flying Constellation Taurus (from the number of dumped ships I see) and Corsairs to generate the 18 mil to get a C2?
What else could I do to min/max my SC experience? I did mining when I started, but it’s also been nerfed. Salvage seems ok if you solo a Reclaimer. Hauling is a low paying grind that eats your time. Bunkers? Cargo only has a few routes that are profitable, which are camped by pirates, gankers and griefers.
Overall I’m really hoping we see a total economic rebalance in 4.0.
CIG messed up with the Corsair nerf...total bs.
I paid money for the Corsair with 4 guns in the nose controlled by the pilot.. NOT to have them removed from my control because of some whiners...
Sure, give the control over as an option yes.
Lets face it, most of us were wondering why the corsair was untouched by previous balances (excluding its movement nerf). The corsair is pricier than its competitors (IE The constellation variants), the only selling point was it's strength in fire power and less importantly its quantum fuel, and as a pirates favourite in-lore, that's perfectly fine by me. Now the Constellation variants are better in almost every way, the Corsair excels in no particular area, just about every other exploration ship has better capabilities as far as value for money goes. . ... so will they now decrease the price of it accordingly? Players have splashed out particularly for its strengths, it like nerfing the C2's cargo to 100 scu because everyone is using it for cargo runs. Where CIG have gone wrong is this is the wrong approach to balancing a ship which has its cons as well as its pros, and secondly they are "forcing" multi-crew game play instead of it being a beneficial free choice. I expect many more ships will have daft changes to them in time as history has shown.
reading the comments, both groups are right.
group A - they sold the ship for money promising major firepower for the pilot and people gave them large amounts of money for this ship. now they have changed it. bait and switch and scam is what this game is increasingly known for.
group B - the ship was OP, and we cant have everyone flying the moat op ship or it gets boring everyone flying an Ares, Corsair or Redeemer. the game has to be balanced.
i agree with both, but cig took $250 for the corsair that is 3.5times the cost of a normal $70 AAA game. people have a right to be justly pissed off with this move.
...if "they" nerf them ships, after commercials... then --> not gonna buy any more nerfable ships ! period.... :*(
Not to mention it takes an hour to get all your friends onto a ship due to the bugs/elevators/trams
Yeah, it's too bad this is Star Citizen's final version, and there's no changing it again.
I've been sharing and commenting on this issue everywhere I can. CIG Sold it this way, if you want to lower DPS give it s4 mains and s3 wings, If you want to take the guns away, give it 20 missles like all the other ships and make it a bit fast and maneuver as they other "exploration" ships do. Whoever had this not so bright Idea needs to keep their thoughts to themselves. I've seen some strange ideas even if I did not like it, it made sense and never changed the vehicle. however This is Changing the vehicle. and thats not how it got sold. Whats next? take away two guns on F8? change the size 7 weapon to a size 5 on the Ares? Turn the Hornet f7A into a Two seater and give the copilot control of the turret? if they can't build a ship and leave the mechanics of how it works a lone like number of weapons used then people should stop buying ships because its not going to be as you want later! if people don't buy ships lets see if they get smart and find more logical ways to "change" in the name of balance.
Obviously, if it's way more powerful than all similar ships, then it needs a nerf, but trying to implement that nerf, without it ruining the ship visuals, is going to be tough.
I like that the copilot now has a useful purpose. Needing to crew your ship if you want all that DPS is fantastic.
Until they offer NPC crew, they should have held off on this as I play solo, like a LOT of people. Better nerf all the crewed ships then.
Time for everyone to migrate back to the Connie.
They will nerf it then, because they don't have competent game devs who can UNDERSTAND data, only tech people who create the holy grail server meshing.
Connie turrets are also being upgraded to dual S3
@@Tentacl Nah, Connie is CR favorite ship. I doubt we'll ever see it meaningfully nerfed.
@@James-mm2zc The Corsair is in basically EVERY visual communication piece, it's one of the game's poster boys (and for a good reason, the ship looks amazing and the internal and external assets are top notch).
And yet they will destroy it to sell whatever new gunship they are about to advertise (the redeemer was ALSO nerfed BTW).
This is a company that only cares about short term gains with a mobile game marketing dev, doubt nothing.
Time to stop spending money on this game
I am surprised no one seen this coming. It's why I did not invest into the hype. CIG has been nerfing ships as far back as I can remember which was 2016.
Still hard to believe that everyone is whining about the Corsair. You signed a contract both when buying the game and buying the ship that all things are subject to change. You handed over your money and accepted the risk. Now you want to act like you were violated or deceived.
It still has the same firepower. You'll just need a crew mate. For years, CIG has warned players that they plan on moving the game to a place where players who chose to solo their multi-crew ships will be put at a disadvantage. Again, it's not their fault if you didn't take heed.
If you don't like the idea that you can't solo any multi-crew ship with full effectiveness, it's not going to get better for you, only worse. Because this is the direction they're heading, a direction they had always planned to head to.
They can still ise all the guns, but you need a copilot. Turns out most people play solo and the tears are everywhere
Not really, most people are laughing at the poorly planned, forced multi crew gameplay, giving the copilot control of 2 turrets it's just dumb (and I'm counting they put the 2s5 in a turret arch), unless they give control of both turrets with the same camera, and if they leave the guns fixed.... That's even more laughable 😂😂
I don't own a corsair, but they sold it as having those guns under pilot control. They can't change that as a balancing option and need to find other ways to achieve their objective. Beyond that this is as stupid as giving the passenger seat in a standard transmission car control over the clutch. The second seat should get controls that the pilot is too busy to do, not front-facing guns that work perfectly in pilot control.
My wallet in closed from now on for what they plan to do with the corsair.. Buy a ship and they destroy it later.. DON'T BY THE CAT IN THE BAG!!!!!
I love when people complain about nerfs and dont even know what all the ship has.
4 s5, 2 s4, 6 s2 and missiles.
Well said, without engineering , multi crew is just shoot shoot shoot BOOM BOOM BOOM - they probably gonna rework the Corsair back to its glory after CitizenCon - or they about to nerf every ship in its class (Im looking at you Connie Owners) They should just do what they did before & downsize the gimbals by 1 size & up turrets by 1 size all round to balance offensive power properly. Making a gimballed man turret that doesn't spin on a 360 axis is gonna piss people off feeling like its a forced mutli crew experience instead of a enlighten one thats fun & enjoyable. The article about the Corsair even states "All 6 guns are pilot controlled by default but in the future (like other ships) will be able to be delegated to other stations.* Now I think the feature they implemented for the Corsair & other ships is still imcomplete because there's zero delegation feature across pilot/other stations. We will probably see changes like these for other ships relatively soon. Mark my words :D
Apparently the problem is firepower of Corsair and new ship that needs to be introduced needs to be better, so easiest way is to just chop off something that's been here for so long and screw over people that were waiting for opportunity to buy Corsair since it is not always available...
Yeah Connies are competitors to Corsair (and apparently new ship that will be unveiled soon), so if Corsair is so huge in DPS, wasn't it easier to put on 6x4S weapons, same as go on wings, instead of 4xS5+2xS2, and leave co-pilot working his own thing, aka remote turret, since game cannot handle that one person is using two "turrets" at same time, as it will be now.
Also, when all this is already done, give it a bit more armor, a bit more rockets, a bit better handling... after all, with this change, ship is basically poop.
Wing guns are useful as long one has wings, and we all know how fast Corsair loses those, so not sure if it's really that good, especially in PvP...
I was just flying a corsair this os one of my favourites the looks are just 🔥 what are they doing!!?
I just want exploration gameplay. I don't care about the guns, the combat, the meta best ship configurations, I wanna discover what's out there.
They need to turn the gun into a turret if they are giving it to the co-pilot.
Guess those who have enjoyed playing with themselves are going to have to resort to some matchmaking with other players.
On a serious note, I do like the idea of requiring multiple players, with some firepower disabled whilst players are distracted with engineering duties. Hope there will be more to it than just pressing a single button to fire, like aiming for the subsystems as that gameplay comes in.
The corsair was OP, but i see the problem in selling a ship with xyz features and then take it away. In the worst case, to sell a new ship with a similar feature that they took away for balance before. If they don't bring a new ship with this fire power for the pilot, it is okayish. But i fear there will be soon a new ship filling this role.
Technically the only people who could make it worse is CIG, they also could make it better, but I would just settle for a working version of what they have.
i'm a connie owner not a corsair owner. asking the question because i genuinely don't know. if they are nerfing the corsair to 4 pilot guns, this is the same as the connie. the corsair has more turrets than a connie as well. how does it make the connie better than the corsair?
At this point, we can’t consider anything killed until armor/engineering all in
Yes, we can.
Ever heard of a plane with fixed front guns the pilot CANNOT fire? No. You know why? Because it doesn't make sense.
Now the Corsair is worse than a world war 1 plane, neutered in a completely artificial way by completely incompetent devs, and THAT is the real issue - CIG devs being completely incompetent. They cannot make a good decision to save their lives.
This. Engineering is literally right around the corner, and everyone is getting up in arms over something we all knew was coming.
cope/denial/psychosis XD
@@TheAngriestGamer. Yeah, I made a reply and it got erased too. No bad words, just stating the obvious, a WW1 plane comparison. Time to leave the channel, tired of CIG chills shielding them.
so you want a person to do nothing but stand at a terminal.... barely .05 of the SC populatiion would want to do engineering. they cant do hit boxes properly in SC armours gonna be a trash heap. heck, they cant balance lasers, how do you think there gonna balane armour.... the games dead
Well, if the guns are the only thing going for an 'exploration ship", then maybe it's not good at what it's supposed to be?
it's a pirate ship
It's not an exploration ship, it literally says in lore it was built as a pirate ship with tons of fire power and paper armor, the exploration was just a way to bypass insurance problems according to lore
@@StoneCoolds So its bad at both things now? ;)
I get it. CIG wants multi-crew ships to be operated in as a multi-crew. It seems to me the better way to do that is to give the pilot smaller guns (or maybe none) while making the turrets bigger. If you want the big pew-pew, you've got to take others with you.
This
this. such an easy fix, doesnt even require substantial dev work to do. everybody has the same amount of fun, pilot dps is lower and incentive for multicrew is higher, and we dont create a useless role. win win instead of a loose loose.
Yeah, Size 6 turrets and no frontal guns, I am sold. However, I do have a glass cannon bias.
who wants to play multi-crew where there is little to no reason to... turrets suck right now, the Rep gets watered down too much for running missions, and the state of the game is still too buggy to try and coordinate with others a lot of the time. maybe CIG should give people a REAL reason/ability to play together, instead of shitting up ships.
ships get rebalnced with less capibilities but the price never gets reduced.
The balance decision is rather silly to me. But I understand why though. CIG has a stigma against meta's. And because people were using the Corsair so much, because of its meta firepower, CIG eventually noticed and decided to do something about it.
I still think, instead of just simply taking the two of the four main guns away, they should take the two lower pair of guns, and essentially make it a remote chin turret for the co-pilot. The mount already looks like a turret, might as well go a step further and make it one, so that this balance choice can make some amount of sense.
and now the Connie is the meta because Yogi has no idea what he is doing
@@LuckyAJC They really need to give more thought on these nerfs. I'm fine with nerfs, if they make sense. The Redeemer nerf made sense, the Corsair nerf doesn't. It definitely needed more time to cook in the think tank.
The nerves are hard, but the fact that they will change something is not entirely unexpected. Something similar will certainly happen to Connie. I would have expected the weapons to be smaller, not necessarily that. Ultimately, she now has 2xS5 and 2xS4 weapons for the pilot, which is still good and was standard for Connie until I think 3.18.
And even with this weapon you could still do everything in the game, including ERTs.
Maybe there will be other changes that will compensate for this somewhat, we'll have to wait and see what comes of it in the end. I can understand the frustration, but maybe you shouldn't overreact now, after all, a lot can still change.
ITS BEEN THE WAY TO SELL MORE SHIPS!
ONCE SALES TAPERED OUT, THEY NERF IT TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE NEXT SALE!
So as I understand it the co pilot gets two extra guns, having to decide between them and the turrent ... also, he can´t "point" the forward guns, because he is not flying?
Yeah no, I bought the Connie because I can fly her alone, do cargo, do bountys and everything ...
Kind of shows the point of not buying those ships until they release damn 1.0
At what point do these nerfs become legally actionable false advertising? Because they keep doing this. Just after sales or just before new ships.
At no point because CIG retains the right to adjust anything they see fit towards whatever They deem to be 'balance'. Laugh or Cry - thats the way it is... Especially a project this deep in development where so many systems, so many ships and so many game mechanics and loops are still not in the game. The Big changes and rapid pace to changes are not even here yet.
I hate this new push for everything to be multi crew. I rarely play with others, mostly because of time constraints. It really sucks that they are taking a ship that's perfectly fine for either solo is multi crew, and making it more difficult to solo.
The Corsair is probably being tested right now because of the upcoming ships. They are limiting the ship to test the lower level loadout vs the archetype (constellation). REASON: The changes were UNANNOUNCED and made (in Evocati )before the announced other changes.
For the corsair, I believe that it will be
a) weak armored,
b) capacitor limited
c) with smaller guns
I'm a big player of the mercury star runner and it does not run anymore.
Im pretty sure Yogi said it was because the Corsair was getting "too many kills," and kinda just left it at that. maybe there are other reasons they aren't saying out loud... but that's what we have to run with.
@@0311matt It's 15% more than the connie without the missiles. there is no real difference in term of PVE , It's a just a test for "reasons" that are out of our knowledge.
Hopefully it will not trickle down to the pu in this form.
@@MrDecellesit's in wave 1 of the ptu
What a STUPID way to balance…. The copilot does NOT want to sit there and press one button when they don’t control the aim……
They should be doing co pilot systems work….. CIG - USE - YOUR - HEAD
they advertised the fire power, plus the copilot is already using a remote turret, and you would have to decide which turret you are going to stop using. The same logic can be applied to the connies, almost the same Fpower, plus more cargo plus the snub. I think is a dumb movement. My economic support on the project will go to cero this year if they pull this move (and lets see when I will forget it)
CIG is just killing their own game
LOGIC is not a strong point with ship design. Give us more options and control, nerf size to size 4. Love full control, love to pilot in co pilot seat. They also limited it cargo grid over fire power. So if they limit fire power, give me the bigger grid.
The co pilot seat is bugged 💀 i sccidently got in it and i couldnt even self destruct got stuck for like 20 mins
But… why don’t we talk about the biggest issue! They are taking away our beloved GREEN Drake mfd’s and are changing them to inferior amber! Bleh!
just called my bank and refunded all my purchases to CIG. thank god.
How about the fact that the Connie has a terrible player experience by messing up the view of the verse (beauty being one of the few things that CIG does do well) and having a loading bay mechanic that constantly glitches, damaging vehicles and losing cargo to god knows where? Hell the table doesn't even work. These devs are absolutely clueless. I paid extra to lose cargo capacity going to the Corsair because I was sick of the Connies broken design... guess I just wont play at all.
Pilot & Copilot have separated weapon pools; copilot weapons are not fixed
The two size 5s slaved to the co-pilot will have a very limited traverse as the co-pilot is not seated in a dedicated turret. His view is fixed straight ahead like the pilot. The ring the guns are mounted on in the nose could possibly train further but that would take them out of the pilot’s view. And then the co-pilot would have to switch to the remote turret, try to retrack the target as the guns in the turret would have been reset to default position, and even after squeezing off a few shots would probably have to go back to the nose position and change guns again as the remote turret has a restricted forward view. This is a totally impractical and a pointless exercise imo.
Just as I bought the Ion, melted it cause of the nerf, bought the Corsair they do it again, yeah my wallet is closed
Honestly seems like you don´t make good decisions with your money. I got the Corsair for the allover look and feel. Sure I used it to solo ERTs like everybody else but I always expected a nerf as it was obviously OP. The problem is the way they intend to nerf it doesnt seem to make alot of sense.
@@skitsnack1 how is it op with only 2 S4 weapons more than a connie?
Oh no! You need to have people actually in the different seats to use all the guns!? People bought a multicrew ship and are upset it's becoming more difficult to fly solo?! Say it ain't so!
What people fail to understand is that nobody wants to multirole because its fucking boring. Cig has no fun gameplay when it comes to Engineering co piloting.
100%. rep gets watered down in groups, turrets suck, engineering sounds SUPER fun running around changing fuses and shit, and your friends fall through ships or even worse due to bugs. maybe CIG should fix their mess of an "alpha" before fucking up the solo play too.
corsair is exploration ship not a fighter
Yeah, saw this coming a long time ago.
Corsair is a pirate ship, they themselves explicitly said it is for "exploring other ships cargo"
@@carlosfernandez7706 Every ship is a pirate ship for exploring cargo lol
@@archondiabolos but not every ship is advertised by CIG as that, and the Corsair was.
@@carlosfernandez7706 But to be fair, they didn't say it was a solo pirate ship either ;). I honestly was disappointed when I sat in the seat below and didn't have control of those guns.
There should be a switch with the weapons on pilot console to the co pilot
Forcing multicrew gameplay won't make this type of gameplay fun. The only thing that will change is that players will probably choose Connie, and if they nerf her too, players will start doing VHRT or ERT contracts in C2. Ultimately, you can always skip bounty hunting, bugged FPS contracts and switch to a mining ship or some salvage. But for what?
CIG killed star citizen with this
If it isn't broken, don't fix it. I just bought the Corsair for its all-around capability, i like the solo play, and now im losing the ability to play the style that i enjoy... not cool, CIG not cool at all. Im waiting on the my Zues CL mk2 and think this will be the last ship that i buy as i fear they will nerf it as well.
CIG let us play our own style, we've paid the money, its our right as consumers to enjoy it how we want.
Well said brother. Cig doesn't understand that this mmo doesn't have enough players to make multi crew even work atm. A lot of gamers like solo gameplay.
Why can't cig take the data and instead of nerfing the corsair, they make other ships just as strong or stronger then the corsair to increase the kills of other ships. They're so backwards.
LOL spend time buffing 30 ships instead of nerfing 1 ? I think you have it backwards.
@@robertjohnston8531 I take nothing back. Just because the better option will take more work doesn't make it wrong. The bigger picture here is that we all know why the Corsair is really being nerfed, they want more ship sales and the nerf timing just happens to be at the same time as the new shitty ships get released
@@ruvimlight Not the better option. The better option is to nerf one ship rather than buff 50. Work smarter not harder.
@@robertjohnston8531 this game will be dead on release if they continue to "work smarter" and cut corners in every step. That's if this game ever releases.
So many people do not like exploration ship anymore... XD
It's a shame what CIG are doing to that ship.
So I’ll melt AGAIN my corsair for something else but no more upgrade. It’s not a nice way to encourage player to participate in the dev.
It still has more firepower then 400i, in fact the fire power that went to do-pilot is more then what the 400i pilot has. more power supply and coolers the 400i will have. It has the same shields as the 400i. It carry more cargo then 400i. It currently handles the same as the 400i. I do not see a video about the 400i begin dead on your channel. When it lost 2 coolers and 2 power supplies after having less fire power then Connie or Corsair. Ther not one category that the 400i is better the. Corsair or Connie.
People saw this coming the moment the Corsair was announced back in 2017. We knew it was gonna be nerfed eventually. Never spend real money thinking you're "buying" a ship, you're merely buying the right to use it, and you don't own anything. Spend money to support the game development. Until the game is officially released EVERYTHING is subject to change. If you're upset, lesson learned. Also, read the Terms of Agreement. CIG can close shop tomorrow and run with the money and non of us will get refunds.
First the redeemer, then the corsair. Yet the Connie series got buffed. Cig really loves RSI. Just because it has CRs name in the brand should not come in front of good game ballance.
I also feel that pilots should not have guns at all if they are not fighter aircraft. If you just want to be alone, get in a fighter ship or do something other than dogfighting.
So copilot is just a button monkey now, like the antares. *Slow clap*
Come on Erad? we have been here before... think about the Ares and also the redeemer have been nerfed. lets not do as if the corsair has actually lost some of its power. Wich is not true, The only thing you need one more guy to operate 6 guns instead 1. I always thought it was way to OP in the first place and finally CIG agrees. And its also not an combat ship, its an explorer ship.
Why CIG is always trying to make troublle to their players?
You think they care if you change ships? Your money has already been spent and many will spend more to get a connie or the new star lancer coming up.
since six doesn't sell anymore, we sell the next best thing, drama
oh they're reading the data correctly alright. take a popular ship and nerf it so people are incentivized to buy the next OP ship. rinse and repeat.