Andor is such a surprise to me because of just how good it was. Sure it may not be the most Lucas-esque show, but it paid it's respects to the lore and was so rich in quality from real-life locations to acting and writing. There was zero hype for the show and it turned out to be the highest quality Disney era show. I really hope the Andor team continues to work on Star Wars projects after Season 2.
It's honestly more lucas-esque then takes of the Jedi. Combining relevant politics with sci fi, while having realistic depiction of the empire. I was honestly so surprised when theory said tales of Jedi felt like it was written by Lucas, and his reasoning was that they used dooku.
I loved all the political stuff in this show acting on point cinematography on point built on existing characters so well. The only thing i think it could add would be more aliens but its the best thing since episode 3 imo. No filler just high quality story telling
Mando season 3 had 1 below average episode, Andor had 6 bad episodes, I felt like I wasted my time watching those episodes, Mandalorian even the Bad episodes made me feel some care for the characters, Andor doesn’t
I can't watch the first 2-3 episodes of Andor. Slowest of burns...and the onus of those episodes never gets realized. (finding Andor's sister) I enjoyed most of the rest of the arcs...mostly the prison arc with Andy Serkis. I still remember the let down I felt...when Mon Mothma had this big dinner coming up with a key politician inside Palpatine's circle....and Gilroy blue-balled us! Like come on....give me that political tension like from House of Cards....but nope, happens offscreen...she bitches it out with her husband who just might be a plant...which kind of sucks....I wish her family was a solid support system...but alas. Disney said, hell naw.
Glad I’m seeing all the Andor support. It’s so gritty and amazing. It captures the vibe of rouge one so well, a lot of people’s favorite Star Wars movie, and shows some of the darker aspects of the rebels too. The writing and dialogue clearly tops any Star Wars show or movie created by disney
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343I was fucking shocked when the guy first said that shit lmao. A tier at worst, personally(and many others in the comments) S tier. Pacing may feel slow for some people in the middle episodes of each arc but except for that, everything was damn good
@@qpwdfgh4939 Oh because it has bricks that's not "true Star Wars." Oh because it doesn't have lightsabers it's not true Star Wars. His opinion about Andor is fucking ridiculous. Like it genuinely pisses me off that he has the nerve to compare it with the disaster that it the third season of Mando.
In my opinion, Andor not being the most "star wars" show works to its benefit. It offers a fresh take on the franchise and gives us a brand new story that I think is very cool. It's nice seeing different adventures in the galaxy.
I really want to say that people say that Andor being the least not Star Wars show is because there’s 0 to little fan service. Imo he should’ve shit all over ahsoka but he didn’t, reason being probably, because it was chalk full of fan service
Also Rosario Dawson although I don’t blame her, is the most unathletic actor/actress in the Star Wars universe. She looked sluggish during all the fights compared to who she was fighting against be it Hayden, Diana Lee, and ray Stevenson. Its really not believable that she won those fights and that’s part of what killed ahsoka for me, not going to even mention Sabine and the butchering of hera
@@1shogunate696yeah i realize she lowkey cant hang… gotta get a stunt double for future shows. I feel like the show would’ve felt faster if the saber fights weren’t so sluggish
That is the dumbest take ever lmao. We want Star Wars period. Why would you want a STAR WARS show not to feel like Star Wars. You can have fresh and new stories and feel like this is perfect Star Wars. But Andor is not it my brother. I am actually hopeful for season 2 because he’s actually joining the rebels and is going to fight the empire. But season 1 just felt like a weird si fi type of space show. I literally only watch Star Wars lmao so I know what the feel is if that makes sense.
Andor is easily the best show for me that they have made. I really don't understand why people think its boring, there was interesting build or action the whole way through. Ands with it being split into arcs I feel it better kept your attention. And it offered a grittier side of Star Wars I really wanted to see
Most star wars fans just want to soy face at shoehorned cameos. They've been conditioned by Disney slop to accept bad productions and even cheer them on in a lot of situations
The clone wars did all of what you said and 10x more. For some reason andor fans can never get over the fact that the animated shows are better than it
@@everettbalkcom The Clone Wars is amazing but it was heavily inconsistent, there were a lot of filler episodes. Andor is pretty much a straight shot all the way through, very little filler. It's hard to compare the two though, because CW is an anthology-esque show while Andor is a serial drama. Very different tones and styles
@thenonartist4366 the show averaged like 20 episodes a season bro so it's obviously gonna have filler here and there when there's a total of 133 episodes like what. Every show that avergaes 20 episodes a season has filler like what. To say that andor is better cuz it has no filler with only 12 episodes isn't a very good argument😂
I thought Andor was fantastic, and a well needed break from the Star Wars mold. I can undertand why some people didn’t like it, but for me it was a type of Star Wars media I’ve been wanting for years
People just want lightsabers and anakin in everything apparently. This was the first show to really get me excited about Star Wars again, too bad the quality hasn’t been continued.
Andor was incredible. A tier minimum. It casts a long and dark shadow on all the acting performances on all other shows/movies. We need more narrative like it in Star Wars.
@@SheriffSticky And the other F tier shows like Ahsoka, BOBF, Kenobi etc.... did ? Take away the fan service and cameos in these and there's nothing left, Andor doesn't need any of that.
Andor didn't have the flashy star wars stuff. But to me felt very star wars. Especially if u played some of the SW video games that focused more on smugglers or things other than Jedi. Even the 1st part of Swkotor. Or one of my old school faves shadows of the Empire. It was grittier and darker. And at the same time had a more thought out plot that stands on its own better than alot of shows that rely on the SW spectacle for success. Andor easy A for me
I think Andor was different. I agree with Theory, it's not 100% Star Warszy. But it was different and fresh. The struggle that Casian had to go through really showed a different perspective of the Star Wars universe. I think it was great.
I agree with mostly everything, except for your opinion on Andor. It was Star Wars for grown ups. Very refreshing. Not overloaded with goofy ass slapstick jokes. A well written story about the fight against faschism. You can actually watch it without having to be a Star Wars fan because it had good writing, contrary to the other disney shows.
@TheJgenerationS that's a lame excuse that some fans use. George didn't rehash the same movie over and over again. He played with different genres. This is literally marvel in space, not star wars. The writing quality of Ahsoka is Boba Fett levels of bad.
@@rumblingcdsgreat comment, people are crazy if they think george’s other 3 films for 7, 8 and 9 would have been anything like the previous 3. George was an innovator. Andor is the first show to push starwars somewhere different.
I don't get why so many seem to be against the idea of having Star Wars shows that explore the gritty rebels/soldiers/smugglers/etc side of things like Andor alongside the classic stuff.
@@keepmovingforward1722 I'm sorry to hear that. Fans in general can be a bit overbearing sometimes I guess. My problem is with giving it a C because "it doesn't feel like Star Wars." Having shows like Andor does a good job of showing that even in the world of Star Wars, jedi are exceptionally uncommon. The contrast help with the perspective and the mystique of jedi and the force. I guess people might also think that giving it a good score would make Disney think fans only want the gritty which is the wrong conclusion.
I dont mind gritty star wars, alot of dark horse comics to this perfect, but andor I think completely missed the vibe and story that kinda goes nowhere
100% my three favorite star wars projects. Easily my favorite movie, easily my favorite animated series and easily my favorite live action tv show. Andor was a slow start for me but around episode 6 it gets insanely good.
@@MunchkkinzBS, being relatable is boring in your eyes, they couldn’t make the lives of normal people in Star Wars interesting, they had to have bland environments and character designs that barely feel like Star Wars
@@lucaricci1987 wah wah wah. relatable in the sense it felt real and there was an actual threat. not the cartoon ass empire we're used to. lets just ignore the phenomenal acting and writing as well
Andor didnt actually get a higher budget than the other shows episode wise. Andor got 250 million for 12 episodes, while kenobi supposedly got 150 million for 6, so per episode kenobi had a higher budget. Unless these numbers are wrong, disney hasnt come out and told us, just reports. Its not how much money you have, but what you make of it. Original star wars had practically no budget, but with inginuity they made it work!
@@johnsonsmithson45 Also, they didn't use the volume, and Tony Gilroy has experience as showrunner knowing what sets will fall into budget for the story
I think what made Andor so good to me was the fact it didn't feel like typical Star Wars. It didn't rely on cameos or in your face references to keep me interested. It was clearly set in the Star Wars galaxy, finally made the Empire scary and gave a good representation of how the rebellion formed without shoving lightsabers or the force down our throats. You get a sense of a lived-in world, with day-by-day struggles by common folk under the Empire and the lengths people have to go to to try to make a difference. For me it's one of the best TV shows full stop and lifts rogue one and the originals (which is by far my favourite trilogy)
It also wasn't full of plot holes or bad set design, like remember that laser-gate from Kenobi? They were on foot, they could have just walked around it.
That’s the problem it’s not starwars therefore as a starwars fan a real starwars fan I don’t like it feels corny forced not a fan mandolorian was a lot better Ahsoka is better those 2 live action shows feel like starwars and have my respect Andor isn’t starwars it’s its own thing
I think Andro was great. People complained of it being slow and not further providing cannon material to the Star Wars universe.... But I saw it differently, the rebel's struggle on its early formation has given us a small peek to the sacrifice that's needed in order to restore balance to the force. Like people freaking died regardless if the main character made the right choice. Even when he made the right choice that will ultimately benefit the rebel.... he became a nobody at the prison for a while. This spoke the harsh reality during the rise of the empire.
Andor S! What a masterpiece. Enjoyed every second of the show. Even those cereal scenes :D Such a well written show.. Reminded me of shows like Better Call Saul.. People call these "boring" but it's just not their cup of tea.. this slow style with well written and rising drama and shocking/explosive climaxes.. Andor was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Not every show has to be told in the style of George Lucas. Just my opinion. The Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi & Andor S tier for me.
I appreciated how intellectual Andor was… it doesn’t treat you like a child, whereas DF does that in everything after clone wars. Putting Andor below Ashoka is totally a hot take. It deserves at least an A. . I’m not saying you’re opinion of Andor is wrong, but it definitely makes me re-evaluate how I value your opinions. . Andor is a Masterpiece.
I would like more things like Andor in Star Wars, I feel like the series needs to progress a bit from the pulp sci-fi adventure stuff from its conception and Andor does that by being a grounded gritty show about Life in the galaxy, my favorite mando episode was that one with the scientist where he is just walking around Coruscant, showing how it is to live in a post war galaxy. The first couple episodes of Mando also kinda does that, by just being a show about bounty hunters and there were very little things about the Force until baby yoda start doing it, but still remained mostly a space westerner. Reason I think it crapped itself later on is because it deviated too much from that. Basically, Star Wars could use more shows showcasing a normal person's perspective of the Galaxy, maybe a rebels movie about just a rebel soldier in the trenches idk
Andor at least for me easily and I mean easily tops any of the other Star Wars shows, the prison arc alone in that show is top tier. I understand that the show could be viewed as “slow” but in no way does that worsen the writing, the acting, the special effects, etc; the show was slow in the sense that it knew how to take its time with a solid story and it still blows me away that the show that I was least looking forward to managed to be the most compelling, memorable, and entertaining.
@@thenonartist4366How many times are you going to spam that same reply? The sequel trilogy had forced cameos and bad fight choreography, and they sure were loved weren't they? Andor fans just cant stomach that people dont love what they love, and thats just sad
Im not sure how a show with 12 episodes with no large impact on the grand story and progression of Star Wars is the best show. Tales of the Jedi added more to the lore than Andor did😂😂. The clone wars had everything andor had and 10x more. The clone wars is Pure Star Wars content that tops all the shows.
@@alexzander1211 In what reality was the sequel trilogy loved? It was a mess of disjointed narratives that never actually coalesced into a coherent story with actual stakes. You're welcome to consume the absolute slop that Disney keeps pushing, but don't get your panties in a twist when people point that fact out. Andor was a huge breath of fresh air that the franchise desperately needed
@@thenonartist4366 I didn't realize I was talking to Drax from Guardians of the galaxy... did you not see the obvious sarcasm in that statement? The sequels had cameos and tons of action, and starwars fans still hated it. So that is a trash argument to make. I hope your reading comprehension isn't an example of the typical Andor fan
I'd put Andor a Solid A tier, TCW gets the only S tier from me, Rebels also shares A tier. Once the first season is done Rebels has the best character stories since the OT, TCW has a lot of crappy episodes and less character but it just has SO much.. so the decent pushes it higher.
What fans fail to understand is that Mando and Ahsoka are building a new timeline that combines PT, OT and TCW content and characters. It's not "just cameos" to have characters who exist in the timeline being involved in events. It's not like the Vader nostalgia bait in RO, where Vader changes nothing, in a movie that changes nothing. For example, Ahsoka meeting Luke changes the perspective that both characters have about Anakin. While the Mando era can develop the story going forward, Andor is a dead end leading straight into RO, another dead end.
They aren't cameos though. Cameos are the short-term appearance of well-known characters. Nothing in their show was cameo, it was actual relevant events.
@@Ruylopez778 Andor provides a huge wealth of depth to the Empire and the Rebels - it's about far more than the origin story for a forgotten character.
@@JonnySamSam "a huge wealth of depth" to something that's already gone. It's a show with more runtime than the prequels, and it makes nothing new. Sure, the fans who squeal about setting get excited, but it doesn't expand the franchise by focusing on something that we already know about. To pretend it's important is to misunderstand why it flopped on Disney+. It's no different than the Solo prequel; it fills in details we didn't ask and don't need.
Honestly, Rebels is an A. Some of the most pivotal moments in canon were portrayed in this show: The Grand Inquisitor, Ahsoka vs. Darth Vader, Ahsoka’s death/resurrection, the WBW itself, Darth Maul’s death, the reveal of Luminara’s fate, a superb portrayal of Thrawn (better than the Ahsoka show). The “slow” moments were just as prevalent in the Clone Wars too
Nah. The slow filler side fetch quests are a lot worse in a linear story like rebels than an anthology like TCW. Also the entire main cast was annoying besides Hera and Kanan
In my opinion, Andor not being the most "Star Wars" show works to its benefit. It offers a fresh take on the franchise and gives us a brand-new story that I think is very cool. It's nice seeing different adventures in the galaxy. Glad I’m seeing all the Andor support. It’s so gritty and amazing. It captures the vibe of rouge one so well, a lot of people’s favorite Star Wars movie, and shows some of the darker aspects of the rebels too. The writing and dialogue clearly top any Star Wars show or movie created by Disney I agree with almost everything, except for your opinion on Andor. It was Star Wars for grown-ups. Very refreshing. Not overloaded with goofy ass slapstick jokes. A well-written story about the fight against fascism. You can actually watch it without having to be a Star Wars fan because it had good writing, contrary to the other Disney shows. Andor S! What a masterpiece. Enjoyed every second of the show. Even those cereal scenes :D Such a well-written show. Reminded me of shows like Better Call Saul. People call these "boring" but it's just not their cup of tea.. this slow style with well-written and rising drama and shocking/explosive climaxes. Andor was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Not every show has to be told in the style of George Lucas. Just my opinion. The Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi & Andor S tier for me. How come the three witches can pinpoint Ahsoka in a bonefield surrounding a planet but they cannot find Ezra wandering across a barren planet with lobster people for ten years? Please, let me hear your "theory" on this one. I would like more things like Andor in Star Wars, I feel like the series needs to progress a bit from the pulp sci-fi adventure stuff from its conception and Andor does that by being a grounded gritty show about Life in the galaxy, my favorite mando episode was that one with the scientist where he is just walking around Coruscant, showing how it is to live in a post-war galaxy. The first couple of episodes of Mando also kinda does that, by just being a show about bounty hunters and there were very few things about the Force until baby Yoda started doing it, but still remained mostly a space westerner. The reason I think it crapped itself later on is because it deviated too much from that. Basically, Star Wars could use more shows showcasing a normal person's perspective of the Galaxy, maybe a rebel movie about just a rebel soldier in the trenches idk I appreciated how intellectual Andor was… it doesn’t treat you like a child, whereas DF does that in everything after Clone Wars. Putting Andor below Ashoka is totally a hot take. It deserves at least an A. I’m not saying you’re opinion of Andor is wrong, but it definitely makes me re-evaluate how I value your opinions. Andor is a Masterpiece. Andor was such a great show, loved it! The writing, tension, dialogue, scenes, and acting top tier. I really felt like there was something at stake Andor didn't actually get a higher budget than the other shows episode-wise. Andor got 250 million for 12 episodes, while Kenobi supposedly got 150 million for 6, so per episode, Kenobi had a higher budget. Unless these numbers are wrong, Disney hasn't come out and told us, just reports. It's not how much money you have, but what you make of it. Original Star Wars had practically no budget, but with ingenuity they made it work! I don't think I've seen anything Star Wars-related that made me dislike or fear the Empire until Andor showed up. I agree with pretty much everything, but Andor is arguably the best SW show ever made. It's a masterpiece you do actually have some crazy opinions sometimes. Andor is easily one of the best things that have been done within Star Wars for a long time Andor was much better for me than Ashoka. I wanted it to be the opposite but it just wasn’t. Andor was beautifully done. Andor is S tier easily! I see lots of men of culture in these comments respect boys! I loved ANdor, my favorite because of the story and the number of characters And at least for me easily and I mean easily tops any of the other Star Wars shows, the prison arc alone in that show is top-tier. I understand that the show could be viewed as “slow” but in no way does that worsen the writing, the acting, the special effects, etc; the show was slow in the sense that it knew how to take its time with a solid story and it still blows me away that the show that I was least looking forward to managed to be the most compelling, memorable, and entertaining. Andor was a masterpiece I still get chills every time I see Skargaurds's monologue in a dumb TikTok or shout Andor is a Star Wars show so sublime that is smarter than much of its audience. Andor created a whole feeling about the Empire ( a dreadful tyranny, the tension that was emerging from the soul of the citizens) and established why the rebels were formed and fought so hard against this dictatorship regime. Best writing (a simple plot that gained such meaning), fabulous actors (they were not the classic stereotypes; but boy they delivered every line so real) with a low budget and that was amazing. Yes, it was a long journey but let's not forget that in life the good things take time. (Clone Wars seasons 1 -2 were not that amazing and from season 3 onwards the improvement was clear) As an old man, who watched the original series, day 1, in 77, I appreciate the Boba Fett arch. It isn't that he can't go full-on anymore. He has matured and learned that turning a place to ash isn't always the best alternative. When he has no choice 'Boba vs. Stormtroppers in Mandalorian,' then he regresses and makes the example.
Theorys self aware on his lists and does it subjectively its his opinion, so Andor at C-Tier isn't as criminal as everyone is saying, even though I may personally disagree
Man there really is a faction of the fan base that just want mindless entertainment. So sad, andor finally broke through and made something akin to art and fans shit on it for a lack of lightsabers and force. Tiktok really has dumbed down a generation.
@@Sejer1945 andor and kenobi had similar budgets, the reason why kenobi looked so cheap is because it was shot mainly using the volume (basically modern day green-screen), whereas andor was shot almost entirely on-set like a real movie production would be.
As an old man, who watched the original series, day 1, in 77, I appreciate the Boba Fett arch. It isn't that he can't go full-on any more. He has matured and learned that turning a place to ash isn't always the best alternative. When he has no choice 'Boba vs. Stormtroppers in Mandalorian,' then he regresses and makes the example.
The part regarding Boba Fett really resonated about how it didnt feel like Boba Fett. I mean c'mon you know he means business when Darth Vader of all people is telling him 'And no disintegrations'
I agree with most of your takes, except Andor. But I hear what you're saying, it is slower, but I kinda like having a slower show in the mix. The best part of Andor to me is the political drama side with Mon Mothma and seeing how the rebellion gains power as an entity in the galaxy. As long as season 2 dives deeper into this aspect, I'll still find it entertaining. I'd put it at B+ to A-. Keep up the great content man, I've been watching for a while and love the watch parties!
Mandalorian was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Checked all the boxes in terms of nostalgia, character development, action and cinematography. The best Disney era SW in my opinion.
My whole family has been watching and enjoying Mandalorian whereas they were never all that into Star Wars before, but I did think season 3 was a bit disappointing and I don't recall my family speaking highly of it as much as the 2 prior seasons@@boutstaxx
@@ShreddinThrash yeah it’s very hit or miss, I’d give it maybe a C overall, but some episodes in season 1 could legit be S tier or very high A imo. The duel and the ninth jedi in particular come to mind. I also really liked the village bride and the elder
@@ShreddinThrash I honestly hate it, worst star wars show. Why? Unfortunately because of the show's format there's not enough time to develop the characters and make me care about them. None of the episodes "feel" like star wars to me. Some are confusing, some are weird, some are alright but I really just didn't care. And season 2 continues that problem. The only episodes I'd RECOMMEND is S1 E1 The Duel because it's sick.
This is really helpful for me as a new Star Wars fan because your opinions seem to be pretty good, I feel like the majority of internet users have GOD AWFUL taste in films and shows, usually just sticking to whatever memes they've seen and then listening to other people with bad taste.
Personally even if you weren't a fan of Ando there's no denying that the quality of Andor far outweighs any other show on this list, besides maybe one, it deserves at least an A, it's obviously above BOBF and Kenobi but it should be at the top if we are going to talk about the shows merit overall.
@@jwest6058 No, I'd say that's not true, when I say "Quality" I was mostly referring to the writing. You can have a small budget but still make something really good, like the godfather which only had 6 million for a budget, and even Ep4. A new hope had only 11 million. Granted those were 50 years ago, but you aren't going to get a big budget for just a starter movie.
How come the three witches can pinpoint Ahsoka in a bonefield surrounding a planet but they cannot find Ezra wandering across a barren planet with lobster people for ten years? Please, lets hear your "theory" on this one.
They weren't really looking for Ezra. Thrawn had no reason to kill him or waste the resources it would have taken to go find him, so they let him wander the planet. My question would be, how did they not know he was traveling with them from Peridiah back to the SW galaxy.
They weren't really looking for Ezra. Thrawn had no reason to kill him or waste the resources it would have taken to go find him, so they let him wander the planet. My question would be, how did they not know he was traveling with them from Peridiah back to the SW galaxy.
Apparently Dave worked on the world between worlds with George in rebels. Also while rewatching rebels I’ve noticed that there were a few scenes in the show that you know George had influence over.
The Clone Wars content is irreplaceable, certainly agree and yes it was the series that humanized the clones. The Carnage of Krell series really got me feeling for them
Great tier list! The only thing I disagree with is Andor; I agree with all the good you said about it and more! I really think their new take on Star Wars was awesome, and I enjoyed the slower pace, it really provided build up and connection to the characters. However, I do also see where you’re coming from-this new Star Wars sometimes didn’t feel like George Lucas Star Wars, and I also get that some people dislike slow paced shows. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing with us Theory!
Thanks for being so respectful. A lot of people who disagree about andor (they like it and find out i hate it or that theory and i agree that it doesnt feel like star wars) get really rude. Same with people who hate ahsoka when I tell them I liked ahsoka. So it means a lot that someone out here is willing to at least understand where someone else who disagrees comes from
Andor is like what Better Call Saul is to Breaking Bad, but for Rogue One. It wasn't something people asked to see, it's a slow burn, but it's very high quality.
I agree with you that Andor is the only thing that I would put higher on the list. It's a thoughtful list, and I can't (and won't) argue with the logic behind it.
I would also put Bad Batch in A tier, it has a lot of filler but so did Clone Wars and when it hits, it's phenomenal, the episode with Crosshair and the Trooper was one of the best episodes I've seen in Star Wars
S: Andor, the Clone War's A: Mandalorian, Tales of the Jedi B: Clone Wars 2003, Ahsoka, Bad Batch C: Rebels D: Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, Resistance I'm pretty much surprised, that you disliked Andor so much. For me it was by far (maybe except the Clone Wars) the best Show of Star Wars. YES, it didn't had this big feeling of Star Wars. But I still love this Show so much.
Star Wars needs more of this. That's why I legitimately enjoyed Solo, and why I really look forward to the Lando show if it happens. There is so much more to the galaxy than the Jedi and the Sith.
its honestly the direction Disney should and could have taken. I would have loved to see them handle smaller plots and just the ongoings of the galaxy through new characters like Mando and Cassian. I wouldnt even have minded Filoni inserting his own characters and plots from his past projects if they had started with that. I probably would have cared to watch Rebels then lol
I like how you talked up Andor at first as a S tier series and then did a 360 haha, thats your personal taste though so no hate. I loved Andor!! Its the one series I can say that reminds me of legacy SW novels. It felt grounded and you got a glimpse of more of the little things and the background of a falling Republic to a rising Empire. Its what SW should have become alongside Mando S1 and 2. Even though Rogue one is a retcon, I still enjoyed it enough to accept that versus the Bothan Spies original take of the death star plans. And it gave me my favorite Disney SW character in Cassian Andor which says a lot because I hate about 90% of Disney SW characters haha. Such a talented actor and well written character, its Disney at its best which is rare these days. I honestly cant wait for Season 2. Between that and Bad Batch its the only things keeping me tied to Disney SW and Disney in general if Im being honest
@@wedgeGTX oh thats right! my bad haha. Well I know it had many retconned changes and I thought that was one of them. The original I know was loosly explained to just be stolen by the rebels with their first battle which i yeah i guess does check out even though I know Legends had them located on a different planet if I remeber. Its been a long time since legends novels for me
@@frickclick6367 everyone has their own taste in media and escapism so I have no say so. I love the movie Interstellar(Top 5 movie) but some people find that movie extremely boring and long as hell lol
@@PacisJusticia Pfft, I don't care WHAT time he watched it, because it wasn't your usual Star Wars formula and characters he peed and moaned throughout it🤷🏻♂️🤣
@@adriandenton6637quit with the attention span lie, Ahsoka had way more interesting dialogue than Andor, action is the least of the concern with a quality of a show, Andor made me fell jack- about the characters except for Mon Mothma, Luthen, and Kino Loy, everyone else I don’t care for, Ahsoka had the benefit of having the protagonist’s being established characters we cared for, but even the new characters were interesting and entertaining to listen and watch, Andor is simply more boring than all the other shows, even with Boba Fett the bad action scenes with the vespas were funny bad, Andor is boring bad
Hope we get more tales of the jedi but about different characters this time! Was great seeing Dooku, Mace, Qui Gon, Yaddle, and Anakin’s more intense training for Ashoka leading into the season 7 finale of clone wars! So good!
Andor is a star wars show so sublime that is smarter than much of its audience. Andor created an whole feeling about the Empire ( a dreadful tyranny, the tension that was emerging from the soul of the citizens) and established why the rebels were formed and fought so hard against this dictatorship regime. Best writing (a simple plot that gained such a meaning), fabulous actors (they were not the classic stereotypes; but boy they deliver every line so real) with a low budget and that was amazing. Yes, it was a long journey but let's not forget that in life the good things take time. (clone wars season 1 -2 were not that amazing and from season 3 onwards the improvement was clear)
As a standalone series (without jokes), it's good. There are intrigues and interesting situations with the main character. In some serial universe like "The Expanse" or even for Mass Effect, it would fit perfectly in terms of tone. But unfortunately, not for Star Wars and while breaking important things in canon. This universe is fairytale-like, futuristic, epic, but realism (compared to the same series "SW: Rebels") doesn't fit. Yes... you can shoot without lightsabers and tell an interesting and tragic story in a galaxy far, far away... but not like this series showed.
@@НесторБескибалов Andor is underrated because there were other shows that were hyped (kenobi for example), the lack of fan service. (there were no big characters), no big cgi, no fancy lightsabers. It was pure emotion, acting, politics that justified the whole star wars. Ok, it was not kid friendly and mainstream but, it was a show of art for someone smart, patient and lore knowing. Edit: Best drama in star wars deserves at least an A tier not C
@@streetridersss8360 Umm... I just recently heard from someone that the Kenobi and SW:REBELS series are smart. Apparently something is wrong with the world, or everyone has different tastes. Again... Andor for me is not the Star Wars I was used to 11 years ago.
@@НесторБескибаловKenobi was fan service imagined by corporate media for regular fans that only watched the movies and woke agenda because U.S. Rebels had it's moments, especially because if was kid friendly and big villains were displayed. The only smarth4 moments were displayed by the big baddies, more exactly, grand admiral thrawn...
I feel like with Andor whether people like it or not really comes down to this "it doesn't feel like Star Wars". For me I kinda think maybe that is what the Star Wars galaxy feels like for the little guy, when there are no Jedi and grand politics involved. I wouldn't want Star Wars to only be this, I would for sure get bored very soon. But I'm still happy a quality product like this exists that gives a different perspective and tells a story in a different style. It really just sucks that of all the shows Disney has put out, THIS had to be the one with the highest quality of production. If Boba-Fett and Obi-Wan had been great, nobody would complain about Andor.
Your list is pretty close to mine. The only differences for me is that Andor is B tier and Kenobi is a C. Andor is a really well crafted show and does so many things right. The only reason it’s not higher for me is personal taste. I prefer fantasy style of story telling over grounded stuff. Kenobi is an interesting one for me. It’s had some amazing highs that I rewatch often (mostly when things focused on Vader and Kenobi) but it did had a lot lows that you mentioned (Reva, low budget, pacing).
My personal opinion: S: Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi. A: Mando, Rebels, Ahsoka B: Bad Batch C: Obiwan D: Boba Fett, Andor I love the story that Rebels created. Continuing it with Ahsoka made me so happy. My favorite Star Wars shows but objectively clone wars and totj are better.
@@tesla82111 Because of people like yall with attention span problems we got Kenobi episodes that had 27 minutes of content. Yall just cant comprehend watching something long now so everything has to be fast paced and rushed to oblivion.
@@tesla82111 Sure buddy thats why its highly praised everywhere it is mentioned with a very good score overall. Everybody knows that Mando S1 and S2 was great but a show doesnt need cameos every episode to be good. Andor achieved that as much as yall with childish attention spans cant fathom it. Go watch Acolyte its more of your taste. Fast paced and rushed so you cant even understand how bad it is.
Nah man, Andor is truly is a blessing in Star Wars. Everything was top notch. Acting, writing, cinematography, production value, and visual effects. I would say it’s probably the best written Star Wars project since the originals ( not saying the prequels are bad but when you compare all aspects to Andor, they fall shallow).
Honestly this echoes my thoughts, probably the best written star wars ever, close to empire strikes back. Masterclass in depth, character and storytelling. The fact that quality of that magnitude is possible in a Disney show is mind blowing to me and is a minor miracle.
@@repticare101 I mean it kinda is the best written project of Star Wars since the originals. The prequels have horrid dialogue at times, lack direction, and many of the CGI effects are aging in many scenes and the sequels were just a disaster in all aspects except visuals. All other shows (including Ahsoka and excluding Mando) have the same problem of questionable writing and uninspired cinematography. As for Rogue One and Solo, both are great projects but don’t have the depth and strong enough themes compared to Andor (actually maybe Rogue One).
@@repticare101 It has all the lore of Star Wars. The show is meant to show how life was like for the ordinary citizen under a facist imperial rule. It showcases the brutality of the Empire in a completely different way as we are used to seeing them only kill and harm rebels but in this show they kill and harm civilians. It shows the inner workings of the Empire which also something that is rarely seen since to many fans the Empire is only Palpatine, Vader, Thrawn, and stormtroopers. This show makes you hate the empire since it’s portrayed more realistically. Don’t forget it also showcases the very beginnings of the rebellion with again ordinary citizens banding together to fight the empire. If you don’t like the show, that’s all cool. I’m just trying to explain that the show is 100% Star Wars.
@@steveno7058yeah those seasons did have a lot of war based and sort of repeating episodes that follow the same theme, but I think they had to show that in order to tell everyone what is going on all the time in the clone "WARS". Even when we are following the main characters a war is still going on in the background.
Yea imagine disney put their line so low that even Andor is praised, bad times we are in now. Andor was ok at best, it felt very artificial. But still better then most crap they are pumping lately
I agree with everything except andor. I think the fact that it was dark and gritty showed an interesting and new way to show our Star Wars universe. It also gave a broader scope to everything going on within the era of the empire. For someone like myself that hasn’t read comics or books, it really gave a great visual to expanding that era. And finally, it was a fun show that stood on its own. There’s nothing more Star Wars than hearing the amazing quotes from speeches to get an idea of how the people felt around the world that Lucas built. Luthen’s speech was more Star Wars than anything we got from the sequels. The ending protest battle was a sight to see. The prison riot had me bouncing and cheering on the edge of my seat. For those reasons, I gotta put it at a B, (and sorry for this) better than Ahsoka
Go back and watch it again, and this time really think about what Star Wars is. A story of redemption, of resilience, of perseverance. I think you’ll see it deserves more credit than its been given
As much as I agree with you on BOBF, Id have to give it a C or B at least because Even though those mando episodes SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MANDO SHOW... It was some of the best Mando content we got, including Luke :)
Weird connection some might’ve missed. The senator in Ahsoka that was kindve a douhe is the father of the main character in Star Wars Resistance. Thought I’d throw that out there 🤷♂️
Curious to know what you don’t like about Andor! The speeches in that show gave me more chills than the entirety of every other Disney Star Wars show combined.
he is ranking andor c tier as a star wars show if you would rank it as a standalone it's the best one in terms of overall quality but yeah not really good star wars lore wise and such.
@@darkpro0031 have to disagree big time about it being boring. It's a character and dialogue driven show and it still had a healthy amount of action, and tension throughout basically the whole series. I also think some think it doesn't "feel like star wars" because it's telling such a wholly different story about characters who really have no involvement with the jedi, or the force, or past events, or any of it. Cassian gets swept up in some BS he wants nothing to do with, but the call to be great ends up being too strong. Freaking love that show! lol
yeah that's actually wild to me. i agree with most of his placements but andor is seriously one of the best things to come out of star wars ever, can't even imagine placing that show in anything less than s or a tier.
Andor is sooo gooood. I feel like it gets the same kind of criticism the prequels got when they came out (too political and stuff). My take is: S tier is Clone Wars, Mando 1 and 2, and Andor. Tales had some fascinating moments as well, so A. In B, I would put Rebels and Bad Batch, in C should be Ahsoka, and in D Boba and kenobi
I would personally put Andor at B tier. I think it was the first bit of Disney Star Wars that had something to say. One of the main themes for Casian Andor coming from rogue one is how the lines of morality are blurred on both sides in war time, and that there are good and bad folks on both sides, as well as atrocities committed in the name of “freedom.” I also liked how it was a slow burn because, up until that point, much of Disney’s output for Star Wars was quick (if unsatisfying) “fan service” to try and appease people rather than crafting truly great storytelling. If they would’ve taken out one or two side plots and added a few more “Star wars-y” elements, it would be in A for sure.
Andor needs to be A tier, no flashy gimmicks or cameo appearances to cover up for lacklustre writing or storytelling, just a gritty hard fought determination, that made me for feel for the first time in a long time that Rebellion was the right thing to do. Every character was pretty much on point, and the dialogue was awesome
Andor wasn't star wars it was star trek that shit isn't even worth a watch unless you enjoy watching paint dry and sniffing glue it shouldn't even be on this list
@@christopherbenard5702 It's comments like this that confirm for me that Star Wars is for jocks that weren't athletic or sociable enough to be into sports.
The Clone Wars was my favorite show to watch in my childhood. To this day, I am still so happy that you did interviewed both (JAT) James Arnold Taylor and Ashley Eckstain. Both of these voice actors are so awesome and I can't believe how sweet they are irl. 🥺🥺🤗🤗🧡🤍💙
@@eurongreyjoy1008 Insulting someone over their taste and saying they need to grow up to have the same intellectually superior taste as you is as childish as it can get. It seems, you failed to grasp the irony.
Agree with Mando 3, take that out and I would give 1 & 2 an A also. The Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch an S tier for me. Your tier ranking is almost spot on
Andor is by far S tier. Felt the most like Star Wars, had the best story, and amazing production, directing and acting. (Not every show needs to have fan service every episode to keep you hooked, sorry theory)
My ranking: S tier: CW Mando A tier- Andor, tales of the Jedi, Ahsoka (all will potentially move once more seasons come out.) B Tier-Rebels bad batch (both solid shows) C Tier-Kenobi D Tier- BOBF Haven’t watched resistance or 2003 clone wars. I love everything A tier and up. Andor will quickly become s tier if season 2 is just as good.
Andor is S tier and peak star wars. Yes, it doesn't feel like star wars but that's exactly why people love it. Its a new and fresh direction for star wars. The writing is miles better than any of the other Disney star wars shows.
Agree with you on pretty much anything. Except Andor. Man, what a show! The writing, the acting, the depth of the characters, the cinematography... For me it's an S-tier without the shadow of a doubt. Best thing Disney has released.
I would agree with Clone wars and the original 6 being the complete Starwars story, but I think I'd add Rouge One to that list. It really just fills in a cool gap in starwars without destroying the mystery of how Anakin developed into Vader. I like shows that keep things speculatory and not showing a mediocre version of how they changed. All we need for Vader really is Episode 3 and then episode 4.
Decent list, i'd personally move obi-wan to c for the Vader vs obi wan battle alone and haydens representation of vaders hatred for obi wan was incredible. Andor and rebels deserves A tier as well imo. Nice list man!
At least Andor doesn’t feel silly and stupid like all the other new star wars. The fighting is just so bad. Its hard to get over for me but I love Star Wars and it’s always been one of my biggest hobbies. I’m so sad rn man. Star Wars is in a bad place although Ashoka was ok
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Andor is such a surprise to me because of just how good it was. Sure it may not be the most Lucas-esque show, but it paid it's respects to the lore and was so rich in quality from real-life locations to acting and writing. There was zero hype for the show and it turned out to be the highest quality Disney era show. I really hope the Andor team continues to work on Star Wars projects after Season 2.
It's honestly more lucas-esque then takes of the Jedi. Combining relevant politics with sci fi, while having realistic depiction of the empire.
I was honestly so surprised when theory said tales of Jedi felt like it was written by Lucas, and his reasoning was that they used dooku.
Don’t get me wrong, Andor was great. It just was too slow for me
Nah
Everyone who tries to mimic George lucas just ends up making shallow, predictable trash.
I loved all the political stuff in this show acting on point cinematography on point built on existing characters so well. The only thing i think it could add would be more aliens but its the best thing since episode 3 imo. No filler just high quality story telling
I’m not even the biggest fan of andor but putting it on the same level as mando season 3 is insane
also putting ahsoka above andor is wild
absolute sicko take lmao
Mando season 3 had 1 below average episode, Andor had 6 bad episodes, I felt like I wasted my time watching those episodes, Mandalorian even the Bad episodes made me feel some care for the characters, Andor doesn’t
you obviously have no taste@@lucaricci1987
I can't watch the first 2-3 episodes of Andor. Slowest of burns...and the onus of those episodes never gets realized. (finding Andor's sister)
I enjoyed most of the rest of the arcs...mostly the prison arc with Andy Serkis.
I still remember the let down I felt...when Mon Mothma had this big dinner coming up with a key politician inside Palpatine's circle....and Gilroy blue-balled us! Like come on....give me that political tension like from House of Cards....but nope, happens offscreen...she bitches it out with her husband who just might be a plant...which kind of sucks....I wish her family was a solid support system...but alas. Disney said, hell naw.
Glad I’m seeing all the Andor support. It’s so gritty and amazing. It captures the vibe of rouge one so well, a lot of people’s favorite Star Wars movie, and shows some of the darker aspects of the rebels too. The writing and dialogue clearly tops any Star Wars show or movie created by disney
Literally. I’m so sick of this guy trashing Andor and comparing it season 3 of Mandalorian.
That’s ridiculous.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343I was fucking shocked when the guy first said that shit lmao. A tier at worst, personally(and many others in the comments) S tier. Pacing may feel slow for some people in the middle episodes of each arc but except for that, everything was damn good
@@qpwdfgh4939 Oh because it has bricks that's not "true Star Wars." Oh because it doesn't have lightsabers it's not true Star Wars.
His opinion about Andor is fucking ridiculous. Like it genuinely pisses me off that he has the nerve to compare it with the disaster that it the third season of Mando.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 frfr..drives me mad aswell
Jeez you guys gotta chill
In my opinion, Andor not being the most "star wars" show works to its benefit. It offers a fresh take on the franchise and gives us a brand new story that I think is very cool. It's nice seeing different adventures in the galaxy.
Didn’t really think of it this way. I guess Star Wars is a universe where everyone can find something they like. I really like that take
I really want to say that people say that Andor being the least not Star Wars show is because there’s 0 to little fan service. Imo he should’ve shit all over ahsoka but he didn’t, reason being probably, because it was chalk full of fan service
Also Rosario Dawson although I don’t blame her, is the most unathletic actor/actress in the Star Wars universe. She looked sluggish during all the fights compared to who she was fighting against be it Hayden, Diana Lee, and ray Stevenson. Its really not believable that she won those fights and that’s part of what killed ahsoka for me, not going to even mention Sabine and the butchering of hera
@@1shogunate696yeah i realize she lowkey cant hang… gotta get a stunt double for future shows. I feel like the show would’ve felt faster if the saber fights weren’t so sluggish
That is the dumbest take ever lmao. We want Star Wars period. Why would you want a STAR WARS show not to feel like Star Wars. You can have fresh and new stories and feel like this is perfect Star Wars. But Andor is not it my brother. I am actually hopeful for season 2 because he’s actually joining the rebels and is going to fight the empire. But season 1 just felt like a weird si fi type of space show. I literally only watch Star Wars lmao so I know what the feel is if that makes sense.
Andor is easily the best show for me that they have made. I really don't understand why people think its boring, there was interesting build or action the whole way through. Ands with it being split into arcs I feel it better kept your attention. And it offered a grittier side of Star Wars I really wanted to see
Most star wars fans just want to soy face at shoehorned cameos. They've been conditioned by Disney slop to accept bad productions and even cheer them on in a lot of situations
@thenonartist4366 I hate to say it but you are 100% correct. SWT tweeted that it didn't feel like star wars bc it didn't have lightsabers and lol.
The clone wars did all of what you said and 10x more. For some reason andor fans can never get over the fact that the animated shows are better than it
@@everettbalkcom The Clone Wars is amazing but it was heavily inconsistent, there were a lot of filler episodes. Andor is pretty much a straight shot all the way through, very little filler.
It's hard to compare the two though, because CW is an anthology-esque show while Andor is a serial drama. Very different tones and styles
@thenonartist4366 the show averaged like 20 episodes a season bro so it's obviously gonna have filler here and there when there's a total of 133 episodes like what. Every show that avergaes 20 episodes a season has filler like what. To say that andor is better cuz it has no filler with only 12 episodes isn't a very good argument😂
I thought Andor was fantastic, and a well needed break from the Star Wars mold. I can undertand why some people didn’t like it, but for me it was a type of Star Wars media I’ve been wanting for years
People just want lightsabers and anakin in everything apparently. This was the first show to really get me excited about Star Wars again, too bad the quality hasn’t been continued.
Andor was incredible. A tier minimum. It casts a long and dark shadow on all the acting performances on all other shows/movies. We need more narrative like it in Star Wars.
Not better than rebels in my opinion
Didnt feel like star wars tho
It was okay
@@SheriffSticky And the other F tier shows like Ahsoka, BOBF, Kenobi etc.... did ? Take away the fan service and cameos in these and there's nothing left, Andor doesn't need any of that.
Andor didn't have the flashy star wars stuff. But to me felt very star wars. Especially if u played some of the SW video games that focused more on smugglers or things other than Jedi. Even the 1st part of Swkotor. Or one of my old school faves shadows of the Empire. It was grittier and darker. And at the same time had a more thought out plot that stands on its own better than alot of shows that rely on the SW spectacle for success. Andor easy A for me
The character change of boba from season 2 of mando to his own show was criminal. A whole season of mando season 2 boba is what i wanted
like what they did to punisher
If they give Book of Boba a season 2,
I believe we’ll see a honorable yet bad ass Boba Fett
What's crazy...is that the director of those two different Bobas...is the same guy. *like whyyyyy, Rodriguez...whyyyy*
@@BitigoBlack it was written by Favreau
Amem
Andor was great. I’d have rated at least A or B tier for how well-made it was.
Nah
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S tier bro it was a masterpice
I think Andor was different. I agree with Theory, it's not 100% Star Warszy. But it was different and fresh. The struggle that Casian had to go through really showed a different perspective of the Star Wars universe.
I think it was great.
@@VinRZit deserves better than c definitely
I agree with mostly everything, except for your opinion on Andor. It was Star Wars for grown ups. Very refreshing. Not overloaded with goofy ass slapstick jokes. A well written story about the fight against faschism. You can actually watch it without having to be a Star Wars fan because it had good writing, contrary to the other disney shows.
So nice to watch a well written star wars show. It ruined every other sw show.
People who don't know anything about star wars would have no idea that Andor was a Star wars show. Its a great show, but not a great star wars show
@TheJgenerationS that's a lame excuse that some fans use. George didn't rehash the same movie over and over again. He played with different genres. This is literally marvel in space, not star wars. The writing quality of Ahsoka is Boba Fett levels of bad.
It’s actually the only starwars my wife will watch with me, she loved it.
@@rumblingcdsgreat comment, people are crazy if they think george’s other 3 films for 7, 8 and 9 would have been anything like the previous 3. George was an innovator. Andor is the first show to push starwars somewhere different.
I don't get why so many seem to be against the idea of having Star Wars shows that explore the gritty rebels/soldiers/smugglers/etc side of things like Andor alongside the classic stuff.
I like Andor a lot but it seems from the Andor fans I’m not allowed to have an opinion other than “masterpiece”
Because people want lightsabers to go *pew*
@@keepmovingforward1722 I'm sorry to hear that. Fans in general can be a bit overbearing sometimes I guess. My problem is with giving it a C because "it doesn't feel like Star Wars." Having shows like Andor does a good job of showing that even in the world of Star Wars, jedi are exceptionally uncommon. The contrast help with the perspective and the mystique of jedi and the force. I guess people might also think that giving it a good score would make Disney think fans only want the gritty which is the wrong conclusion.
I dont mind gritty star wars, alot of dark horse comics to this perfect, but andor I think completely missed the vibe and story that kinda goes nowhere
@@richardparadox163 I like that too, but one shouldn't exclude the other.
Andor in C tier is genuinely delusional
It's because of the screws, nails, etc.
@@teddyfields2754 I even heard there were BRICKS 😷
*insert anger from Inside Out*
I disagree with him about Andor, but to each their own. It's all just opinions.
Andor wasn't star wars it was star trek that shit isn't even worth a watch unless you enjoy watching paint dry and sniffing glue
Andor is peak Star Wars for me. Same as Clone Wars and ROTS.
The acting and writing of Andor is miles ahead of the other shows. Love it.
Based
100% my three favorite star wars projects. Easily my favorite movie, easily my favorite animated series and easily my favorite live action tv show. Andor was a slow start for me but around episode 6 it gets insanely good.
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Rots wasn’t very good at all
@@3DInnovations70nah
Andor was such a great show, loved it! The writing, tension, dialogue, scenes, acting top tier. I really felt like their was something at stake
the writing is really the best part of andor. The show is phenomenal
the most relatable star wars has ever felt, that show has better performances/writing than any other star wars shows
@isaiahuchiha3724 it's okay buddy. Go enjoy Kenobi lmao
@@MunchkkinzBS, being relatable is boring in your eyes, they couldn’t make the lives of normal people in Star Wars interesting, they had to have bland environments and character designs that barely feel like Star Wars
@@lucaricci1987 wah wah wah. relatable in the sense it felt real and there was an actual threat. not the cartoon ass empire we're used to. lets just ignore the phenomenal acting and writing as well
Andor is S tier easily! I see lots of men of culture in these comments respect boys!
Andor didnt actually get a higher budget than the other shows episode wise. Andor got 250 million for 12 episodes, while kenobi supposedly got 150 million for 6, so per episode kenobi had a higher budget. Unless these numbers are wrong, disney hasnt come out and told us, just reports. Its not how much money you have, but what you make of it. Original star wars had practically no budget, but with inginuity they made it work!
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The reason Andor had better quality is the artist and technicians had more passion because it was an actual good story so they tried harder
@@johnsonsmithson45 Also, they didn't use the volume, and Tony Gilroy has experience as showrunner knowing what sets will fall into budget for the story
I think what made Andor so good to me was the fact it didn't feel like typical Star Wars. It didn't rely on cameos or in your face references to keep me interested. It was clearly set in the Star Wars galaxy, finally made the Empire scary and gave a good representation of how the rebellion formed without shoving lightsabers or the force down our throats. You get a sense of a lived-in world, with day-by-day struggles by common folk under the Empire and the lengths people have to go to to try to make a difference. For me it's one of the best TV shows full stop and lifts rogue one and the originals (which is by far my favourite trilogy)
It also wasn't full of plot holes or bad set design, like remember that laser-gate from Kenobi? They were on foot, they could have just walked around it.
That’s the problem it’s not starwars therefore as a starwars fan a real starwars fan I don’t like it feels corny forced not a fan mandolorian was a lot better Ahsoka is better those 2 live action shows feel like starwars and have my respect Andor isn’t starwars it’s its own thing
@@chasethechosenone8478 holy run-ons bro.
I think Andro was great. People complained of it being slow and not further providing cannon material to the Star Wars universe....
But I saw it differently, the rebel's struggle on its early formation has given us a small peek to the sacrifice that's needed in order to restore balance to the force. Like people freaking died regardless if the main character made the right choice.
Even when he made the right choice that will ultimately benefit the rebel.... he became a nobody at the prison for a while. This spoke the harsh reality during the rise of the empire.
Andor S! What a masterpiece. Enjoyed every second of the show. Even those cereal scenes :D Such a well written show.. Reminded me of shows like Better Call Saul.. People call these "boring" but it's just not their cup of tea.. this slow style with well written and rising drama and shocking/explosive climaxes.. Andor was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Not every show has to be told in the style of George Lucas. Just my opinion. The Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi & Andor S tier for me.
Better Call Saul is a great comparison, the slow burn style of pacing is used by better call saul and andor really well
yeah man. love those shows so much :D@@therealx1ras453
Andor is like watching paint dry 😂
@@tesla82111 in germany we call people like you "Kulturbanause" :d
@@tesla82111iPad kid 😂
I appreciated how intellectual Andor was… it doesn’t treat you like a child, whereas DF does that in everything after clone wars. Putting Andor below Ashoka is totally a hot take. It deserves at least an A.
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I’m not saying you’re opinion of Andor is wrong, but it definitely makes me re-evaluate how I value your opinions.
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Andor is a Masterpiece.
"Andor is masterpiece" 😂😂😂
Same. I now see him more as one of those fans who appreciate fan service more than actual good content
At least explain why you disagree@@luckymark571
@@luckymark571if Andor is a masterpiece this guy must think the force awakens is a great movie.
Dude Andor puts the sequels to shame@@karldergrosse-333
I would like more things like Andor in Star Wars, I feel like the series needs to progress a bit from the pulp sci-fi adventure stuff from its conception and Andor does that by being a grounded gritty show about Life in the galaxy, my favorite mando episode was that one with the scientist where he is just walking around Coruscant, showing how it is to live in a post war galaxy.
The first couple episodes of Mando also kinda does that, by just being a show about bounty hunters and there were very little things about the Force until baby yoda start doing it, but still remained mostly a space westerner. Reason I think it crapped itself later on is because it deviated too much from that.
Basically, Star Wars could use more shows showcasing a normal person's perspective of the Galaxy, maybe a rebels movie about just a rebel soldier in the trenches idk
Bro had no idea what he was gonna think about the Acolyte
Andor at least for me easily and I mean easily tops any of the other Star Wars shows, the prison arc alone in that show is top tier.
I understand that the show could be viewed as “slow” but in no way does that worsen the writing, the acting, the special effects, etc; the show was slow in the sense that it knew how to take its time with a solid story and it still blows me away that the show that I was least looking forward to managed to be the most compelling, memorable, and entertaining.
Most star wars fans just want to soy face at forced cameos and bad fight choreography
@@thenonartist4366How many times are you going to spam that same reply? The sequel trilogy had forced cameos and bad fight choreography, and they sure were loved weren't they? Andor fans just cant stomach that people dont love what they love, and thats just sad
Im not sure how a show with 12 episodes with no large impact on the grand story and progression of Star Wars is the best show. Tales of the Jedi added more to the lore than Andor did😂😂. The clone wars had everything andor had and 10x more. The clone wars is Pure Star Wars content that tops all the shows.
@@alexzander1211 In what reality was the sequel trilogy loved? It was a mess of disjointed narratives that never actually coalesced into a coherent story with actual stakes.
You're welcome to consume the absolute slop that Disney keeps pushing, but don't get your panties in a twist when people point that fact out. Andor was a huge breath of fresh air that the franchise desperately needed
@@thenonartist4366 I didn't realize I was talking to Drax from Guardians of the galaxy... did you not see the obvious sarcasm in that statement? The sequels had cameos and tons of action, and starwars fans still hated it. So that is a trash argument to make. I hope your reading comprehension isn't an example of the typical Andor fan
Bruh, Andor was a blessing. SW should learn from it and go this way. It should definitely be tier S
big facts but stars wars theory is still a little kid
@@eurongreyjoy1008 He's still a little kid because he has different opinion? Dude...
I'd put Andor a Solid A tier, TCW gets the only S tier from me, Rebels also shares A tier.
Once the first season is done Rebels has the best character stories since the OT, TCW has a lot of crappy episodes and less character but it just has SO much.. so the decent pushes it higher.
@@last1841 not because of that, mostly because he has short attention span and mostly wants “yoooo its glup shitto” moments
@@last1841don’t bother, he’s pasting the same thing on every Andor comment here, we all know who the real little kid is🤣
I agree with pretty much everything, but Andor is arguably the best SW show ever made. It's a masterpiece
@starwarsTheory6293_discord A SUPRISE!!!!??
By far the best thing Disney Star Wars has done.
@@vakeone No fu*kin contest
ain't no way man lmao, just like SWT said, it barely feels like SW.
@@davidkeulen7006 think
"Cameos doesn't make a show good"
Proceeds to place Mandalorian and Ahsoka ahead of Andor
bcs he cried when he saw luke in mando when we all know it was a shit cameo
What fans fail to understand is that Mando and Ahsoka are building a new timeline that combines PT, OT and TCW content and characters. It's not "just cameos" to have characters who exist in the timeline being involved in events. It's not like the Vader nostalgia bait in RO, where Vader changes nothing, in a movie that changes nothing. For example, Ahsoka meeting Luke changes the perspective that both characters have about Anakin. While the Mando era can develop the story going forward, Andor is a dead end leading straight into RO, another dead end.
They aren't cameos though. Cameos are the short-term appearance of well-known characters. Nothing in their show was cameo, it was actual relevant events.
@@Ruylopez778 Andor provides a huge wealth of depth to the Empire and the Rebels - it's about far more than the origin story for a forgotten character.
@@JonnySamSam "a huge wealth of depth"
to something that's already gone.
It's a show with more runtime than the prequels, and it makes nothing new. Sure, the fans who squeal about setting get excited, but it doesn't expand the franchise by focusing on something that we already know about. To pretend it's important is to misunderstand why it flopped on Disney+.
It's no different than the Solo prequel; it fills in details we didn't ask and don't need.
Honestly, Rebels is an A. Some of the most pivotal moments in canon were portrayed in this show: The Grand Inquisitor, Ahsoka vs. Darth Vader, Ahsoka’s death/resurrection, the WBW itself, Darth Maul’s death, the reveal of Luminara’s fate, a superb portrayal of Thrawn (better than the Ahsoka show). The “slow” moments were just as prevalent in the Clone Wars too
Agreed.
Theory probably thought half of these events happened in clone wars lol. Rebels is an easy A Tier all day long.
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Nah. The slow filler side fetch quests are a lot worse in a linear story like rebels than an anthology like TCW. Also the entire main cast was annoying besides Hera and Kanan
In my opinion, Andor not being the most "Star Wars" show works to its benefit. It offers a fresh take on the franchise and gives us a brand-new story that I think is very cool. It's nice seeing different adventures in the galaxy. Glad I’m seeing all the Andor support. It’s so gritty and amazing. It captures the vibe of rouge one so well, a lot of people’s favorite Star Wars movie, and shows some of the darker aspects of the rebels too. The writing and dialogue clearly top any Star Wars show or movie created by Disney I agree with almost everything, except for your opinion on Andor. It was Star Wars for grown-ups. Very refreshing. Not overloaded with goofy ass slapstick jokes. A well-written story about the fight against fascism. You can actually watch it without having to be a Star Wars fan because it had good writing, contrary to the other Disney shows. Andor S! What a masterpiece. Enjoyed every second of the show. Even those cereal scenes :D Such a well-written show. Reminded me of shows like Better Call Saul. People call these "boring" but it's just not their cup of tea.. this slow style with well-written and rising drama and shocking/explosive climaxes. Andor was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Not every show has to be told in the style of George Lucas. Just my opinion. The Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi & Andor S tier for me. How come the three witches can pinpoint Ahsoka in a bonefield surrounding a planet but they cannot find Ezra wandering across a barren planet with lobster people for ten years? Please, let me hear your "theory" on this one. I would like more things like Andor in Star Wars, I feel like the series needs to progress a bit from the pulp sci-fi adventure stuff from its conception and Andor does that by being a grounded gritty show about Life in the galaxy, my favorite mando episode was that one with the scientist where he is just walking around Coruscant, showing how it is to live in a post-war galaxy. The first couple of episodes of Mando also kinda does that, by just being a show about bounty hunters and there were very few things about the Force until baby Yoda started doing it, but still remained mostly a space westerner. The reason I think it crapped itself later on is because it deviated too much from that. Basically, Star Wars could use more shows showcasing a normal person's perspective of the Galaxy, maybe a rebel movie about just a rebel soldier in the trenches idk
I appreciated how intellectual Andor was… it doesn’t treat you like a child, whereas DF does that in everything after Clone Wars. Putting Andor below Ashoka is totally a hot take. It deserves at least an A.
I’m not saying you’re opinion of Andor is wrong, but it definitely makes me re-evaluate how I value your opinions. Andor is a Masterpiece. Andor was such a great show, loved it! The writing, tension, dialogue, scenes, and acting top tier. I really felt like there was something at stake Andor didn't actually get a higher budget than the other shows episode-wise. Andor got 250 million for 12 episodes, while Kenobi supposedly got 150 million for 6, so per episode, Kenobi had a higher budget. Unless these numbers are wrong, Disney hasn't come out and told us, just reports. It's not how much money you have, but what you make of it. Original Star Wars had practically no budget, but with ingenuity they made it work! I don't think I've seen anything Star Wars-related that made me dislike or fear the Empire until Andor showed up. I agree with pretty much everything, but Andor is arguably the best SW show ever made. It's a masterpiece you do actually have some crazy opinions sometimes. Andor is easily one of the best things that have been done within Star Wars for a long time Andor was much better for me than Ashoka. I wanted it to be the opposite but it just wasn’t. Andor was beautifully done. Andor is S tier easily! I see lots of men of culture in these comments respect boys! I loved ANdor, my favorite because of the story and the number of characters And at least for me easily and I mean easily tops any of the other Star Wars shows, the prison arc alone in that show is top-tier. I understand that the show could be viewed as “slow” but in no way does that worsen the writing, the acting, the special effects, etc; the show was slow in the sense that it knew how to take its time with a solid story and it still blows me away that the show that I was least looking forward to managed to be the most compelling, memorable, and entertaining. Andor was a masterpiece I still get chills every time I see Skargaurds's monologue in a dumb TikTok or shout Andor is a Star Wars show so sublime that is smarter than much of its audience. Andor created a whole feeling about the Empire ( a dreadful tyranny, the tension that was emerging from the soul of the citizens) and established why the rebels were formed and fought so hard against this dictatorship regime. Best writing (a simple plot that gained such meaning), fabulous actors (they were not the classic stereotypes; but boy they delivered every line so real) with a low budget and that was amazing. Yes, it was a long journey but let's not forget that in life the good things take time. (Clone Wars seasons 1 -2 were not that amazing and from season 3 onwards the improvement was clear) As an old man, who watched the original series, day 1, in 77, I appreciate the Boba Fett arch. It isn't that he can't go full-on anymore. He has matured and learned that turning a place to ash isn't always the best alternative. When he has no choice 'Boba vs. Stormtroppers in Mandalorian,' then he regresses and makes the example.
Theorys self aware on his lists and does it subjectively its his opinion, so Andor at C-Tier isn't as criminal as everyone is saying, even though I may personally disagree
Now Look, thanks for saying this. Everyone has a opinion and some people find that hard to accept.
I loved ANdor, my favourite because of the story and build up of characters
Andor wasn't star wars it was star trek that shit isn't even worth a watch unless you enjoy watching paint dry and sniffing glue
@@christopherbenard5702 your attention span is fried if you can't watch andor
Andor was much better for me than Ashoka. I wanted it to be the opposite but it just wasn’t. Andor was beautifully done.
Andor was nice but it was kinda boring ahsoka was exciting and brought new ideas to star wars
Man there really is a faction of the fan base that just want mindless entertainment. So sad, andor finally broke through and made something akin to art and fans shit on it for a lack of lightsabers and force. Tiktok really has dumbed down a generation.
@@rawleigh729ahsoka was bad tho
@@musayibghani3986 Yep
@@rawleigh729which new ideas
Andor had literally no hype but somehow ended up being the best show Disney have ever put out IMO
Just imagine Kenobi but with Andor level writing 🥹
Also with Andor budget.🔥
Andor is the only show I would watch again. Haven´t watch the animated though
@@Sejer1945you gotta watch the clone wars show man
SWT is mad for rating this a C. I think its better than the mandalorian.
@@Sejer1945 andor and kenobi had similar budgets, the reason why kenobi looked so cheap is because it was shot mainly using the volume (basically modern day green-screen), whereas andor was shot almost entirely on-set like a real movie production would be.
As an old man, who watched the original series, day 1, in 77, I appreciate the Boba Fett arch. It isn't that he can't go full-on any more. He has matured and learned that turning a place to ash isn't always the best alternative. When he has no choice 'Boba vs. Stormtroppers in Mandalorian,' then he regresses and makes the example.
The part regarding Boba Fett really resonated about how it didnt feel like Boba Fett.
I mean c'mon you know he means business when Darth Vader of all people is telling him 'And no disintegrations'
yea well not all characters are the same over time he's also 20 plus years older than he was in his prime stfu
I agree with most of your takes, except Andor. But I hear what you're saying, it is slower, but I kinda like having a slower show in the mix. The best part of Andor to me is the political drama side with Mon Mothma and seeing how the rebellion gains power as an entity in the galaxy. As long as season 2 dives deeper into this aspect, I'll still find it entertaining. I'd put it at B+ to A-.
Keep up the great content man, I've been watching for a while and love the watch parties!
Loved this video! 🔥 Just a heads up, you missed Star Wars Visions and Star Wars Young Jedi Adventures. Keep up the great work Theory!
Mandalorian was such a fresh take on Star Wars. Checked all the boxes in terms of nostalgia, character development, action and cinematography. The best Disney era SW in my opinion.
my mother who is not a star wars fan binged it not knowing nothing of the universe just watching it like a new show
My whole family has been watching and enjoying Mandalorian whereas they were never all that into Star Wars before, but I did think season 3 was a bit disappointing and I don't recall my family speaking highly of it as much as the 2 prior seasons@@boutstaxx
@@PeNguiN-0-27 exactly
@@boutstaxx now it’s time to show her The Clone Wars 😉❤
Completely agree with this, but S3 has really negatively impacted it after great first two seasons.
You could also rank visions if you wanted, even though it’s non canon would still be cool to see how it stacks up
where would you put it? havent watched it yet and heard mixed reviews.
@@ShreddinThrash it cant be worse than kenobi
@@ShreddinThrash yeah it’s very hit or miss, I’d give it maybe a C overall, but some episodes in season 1 could legit be S tier or very high A imo. The duel and the ninth jedi in particular come to mind. I also really liked the village bride and the elder
@@ShreddinThrash its dope.
@@ShreddinThrash I honestly hate it, worst star wars show. Why? Unfortunately because of the show's format there's not enough time to develop the characters and make me care about them. None of the episodes "feel" like star wars to me. Some are confusing, some are weird, some are alright but I really just didn't care. And season 2 continues that problem. The only episodes I'd RECOMMEND is S1 E1 The Duel because it's sick.
This is really helpful for me as a new Star Wars fan because your opinions seem to be pretty good, I feel like the majority of internet users have GOD AWFUL taste in films and shows, usually just sticking to whatever memes they've seen and then listening to other people with bad taste.
Mando S1 and S2 feels like the true sequel trilogy, it continues on the story with bringing back old characters and introducing new ones
As shame the Mandoverse is destroyed now, at least we got 1 and 2
yeah so its not a sequel lol its just a spinoff
Agreed. Which is proven by how successful and beloved those two seasons were.
Unfortunately, that quality and respect for the universe couldn't last.
@George-um2vc it's not destroyed just fumbling a bit, even George movies had a low moment when people cried and complained about attack of the clones
As a huge fan of season 1, season 2 already started to feel a lot like fan service
Andor was a masterpiece 💯🔥🍿I still get chills every time I see Skargaurds monologue in a dumb tik tok or shout 😎
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Personally even if you weren't a fan of Ando there's no denying that the quality of Andor far outweighs any other show on this list, besides maybe one, it deserves at least an A, it's obviously above BOBF and Kenobi but it should be at the top if we are going to talk about the shows merit overall.
it having a big budget does not mean it deserves an A or an S
@@jwest6058 I didn't say anything about Andors budget.
@@balkor_steel9094 Never said you did, but it having a big budget is the only thing about it that is the reason for the "quality" of andor
@@jwest6058 No, I'd say that's not true, when I say "Quality" I was mostly referring to the writing. You can have a small budget but still make something really good, like the godfather which only had 6 million for a budget, and even Ep4. A new hope had only 11 million. Granted those were 50 years ago, but you aren't going to get a big budget for just a starter movie.
How come the three witches can pinpoint Ahsoka in a bonefield surrounding a planet but they cannot find Ezra wandering across a barren planet with lobster people for ten years? Please, lets hear your "theory" on this one.
They weren’t looking for him anymore? lol
They weren't really looking for Ezra. Thrawn had no reason to kill him or waste the resources it would have taken to go find him, so they let him wander the planet.
My question would be, how did they not know he was traveling with them from Peridiah back to the SW galaxy.
They weren't really looking for Ezra. Thrawn had no reason to kill him or waste the resources it would have taken to go find him, so they let him wander the planet.
My question would be, how did they not know he was traveling with them from Peridiah back to the SW galaxy.
@@stevensilver2880then why did they send multiple ships and soilders after him and sabine. I mean he is a bigger threat than sabine.
What are the quotes intended to mean
Apparently Dave worked on the world between worlds with George in rebels. Also while rewatching rebels I’ve noticed that there were a few scenes in the show that you know George had influence over.
Dave filoni also helped create the sequel trilogy and loved and supported it?
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopternot really, he wasnt that involved past some story ideas, and he just said he likes TLJ and RJ as a director
The Clone Wars content is irreplaceable, certainly agree and yes it was the series that humanized the clones. The Carnage of Krell series really got me feeling for them
The Bad Batch also had me feeling for the clones. I love them. The last and final Season 3 is out with an episode every Wednesday. It's so good.
Great tier list! The only thing I disagree with is Andor; I agree with all the good you said about it and more! I really think their new take on Star Wars was awesome, and I enjoyed the slower pace, it really provided build up and connection to the characters. However, I do also see where you’re coming from-this new Star Wars sometimes didn’t feel like George Lucas Star Wars, and I also get that some people dislike slow paced shows. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing with us Theory!
Thanks for being so respectful. A lot of people who disagree about andor (they like it and find out i hate it or that theory and i agree that it doesnt feel like star wars) get really rude. Same with people who hate ahsoka when I tell them I liked ahsoka. So it means a lot that someone out here is willing to at least understand where someone else who disagrees comes from
Andor is like what Better Call Saul is to Breaking Bad, but for Rogue One. It wasn't something people asked to see, it's a slow burn, but it's very high quality.
I agree with you that Andor is the only thing that I would put higher on the list. It's a thoughtful list, and I can't (and won't) argue with the logic behind it.
I would also put Bad Batch in A tier, it has a lot of filler but so did Clone Wars and when it hits, it's phenomenal, the episode with Crosshair and the Trooper was one of the best episodes I've seen in Star Wars
@@nmz3450 it really was such a great episode and full of feels
S: Andor, the Clone War's
A: Mandalorian, Tales of the Jedi
B: Clone Wars 2003, Ahsoka, Bad Batch
C: Rebels
D: Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett, Resistance
I'm pretty much surprised, that you disliked Andor so much. For me it was by far (maybe except the Clone Wars) the best Show of Star Wars. YES, it didn't had this big feeling of Star Wars. But I still love this Show so much.
Andor on C is criminal
Andor at C is criminal. Not every Star Wars show needs the force, lightsabers, or crazy cameos.
Star Wars needs more of this. That's why I legitimately enjoyed Solo, and why I really look forward to the Lando show if it happens. There is so much more to the galaxy than the Jedi and the Sith.
This...!
That’s what Star Wars is. Plus it’s boring af
its honestly the direction Disney should and could have taken. I would have loved to see them handle smaller plots and just the ongoings of the galaxy through new characters like Mando and Cassian. I wouldnt even have minded Filoni inserting his own characters and plots from his past projects if they had started with that. I probably would have cared to watch Rebels then lol
Agreed - . Rebels was also at least as good as the original Clone Wars, they should both be in A, not S and B IMO.
I like how you talked up Andor at first as a S tier series and then did a 360 haha, thats your personal taste though so no hate. I loved Andor!! Its the one series I can say that reminds me of legacy SW novels. It felt grounded and you got a glimpse of more of the little things and the background of a falling Republic to a rising Empire. Its what SW should have become alongside Mando S1 and 2. Even though Rogue one is a retcon, I still enjoyed it enough to accept that versus the Bothan Spies original take of the death star plans. And it gave me my favorite Disney SW character in Cassian Andor which says a lot because I hate about 90% of Disney SW characters haha. Such a talented actor and well written character, its Disney at its best which is rare these days. I honestly cant wait for Season 2. Between that and Bad Batch its the only things keeping me tied to Disney SW and Disney in general if Im being honest
Bothans were involved with the 2nd Death Star not with the 1st one. So it wasn`t a retcon in that regards
@@wedgeGTX oh thats right! my bad haha. Well I know it had many retconned changes and I thought that was one of them. The original I know was loosly explained to just be stolen by the rebels with their first battle which i yeah i guess does check out even though I know Legends had them located on a different planet if I remeber. Its been a long time since legends novels for me
@@frickclick6367 everyone has their own taste in media and escapism so I have no say so. I love the movie Interstellar(Top 5 movie) but some people find that movie extremely boring and long as hell lol
Doing a 360 brings you right back to where you started. I believe you meant 180.
@@foreverfornever1124 it was never a "canon" explanation how they get the plans. For an example in the video game Dark Forces Kyle Katarn stole it...
That was so cool at 0:59 when you made the like button light up.
What I wanted for the Kenobi show was a character study of him see how he dealt with the ptsd and trauma from anakin fall to the Darkside
His Andor rating is shocking. Yet, I'm not surprised. He literally moaned through the whole series 😂🤦🏻♂️ Also 100th comment 😊
Slow burn show + Theory watching at 3am was not a good combo for his enjoyment. Thought it was a great show though.
Andor is f epic. The only SW since episode 3 that I can watch more than once. Kids have got no attention span.
@@PacisJusticia Pfft, I don't care WHAT time he watched it, because it wasn't your usual Star Wars formula and characters he peed and moaned throughout it🤷🏻♂️🤣
no lightsabers and jedi or sith, so the show cant compete, easy as that
@@adriandenton6637quit with the attention span lie, Ahsoka had way more interesting dialogue than Andor, action is the least of the concern with a quality of a show, Andor made me fell jack- about the characters except for Mon Mothma, Luthen, and Kino Loy, everyone else I don’t care for, Ahsoka had the benefit of having the protagonist’s being established characters we cared for, but even the new characters were interesting and entertaining to listen and watch, Andor is simply more boring than all the other shows, even with Boba Fett the bad action scenes with the vespas were funny bad, Andor is boring bad
You moved Obi Wan from C to D, I can rock with you now. You were messing up for a while but you've taken the blinkers off
Hope we get more tales of the jedi but about different characters this time! Was great seeing Dooku, Mace, Qui Gon, Yaddle, and Anakin’s more intense training for Ashoka leading into the season 7 finale of clone wars! So good!
Andor is a star wars show so sublime that is smarter than much of its audience. Andor created an whole feeling about the Empire ( a dreadful tyranny, the tension that was emerging from the soul of the citizens) and established why the rebels were formed and fought so hard against this dictatorship regime. Best writing (a simple plot that gained such a meaning), fabulous actors (they were not the classic stereotypes; but boy they deliver every line so real) with a low budget and that was amazing. Yes, it was a long journey but let's not forget that in life the good things take time. (clone wars season 1 -2 were not that amazing and from season 3 onwards the improvement was clear)
Imagine watching Andor and coming away that it’s C tier…
As a standalone series (without jokes), it's good. There are intrigues and interesting situations with the main character. In some serial universe like "The Expanse" or even for Mass Effect, it would fit perfectly in terms of tone. But unfortunately, not for Star Wars and while breaking important things in canon. This universe is fairytale-like, futuristic, epic, but realism (compared to the same series "SW: Rebels") doesn't fit. Yes... you can shoot without lightsabers and tell an interesting and tragic story in a galaxy far, far away... but not like this series showed.
@@НесторБескибалов Andor is underrated because there were other shows that were hyped (kenobi for example), the lack of fan service. (there were no big characters), no big cgi, no fancy lightsabers. It was pure emotion, acting, politics that justified the whole star wars. Ok, it was not kid friendly and mainstream but, it was a show of art for someone smart, patient and lore knowing.
Edit: Best drama in star wars deserves at least an A tier not C
@@streetridersss8360 Umm... I just recently heard from someone that the Kenobi and SW:REBELS series are smart. Apparently something is wrong with the world, or everyone has different tastes. Again... Andor for me is not the Star Wars I was used to 11 years ago.
@@НесторБескибаловKenobi was fan service imagined by corporate media for regular fans that only watched the movies and woke agenda because U.S. Rebels had it's moments, especially because if was kid friendly and big villains were displayed. The only smarth4 moments were displayed by the big baddies, more exactly, grand admiral thrawn...
Andor was incredible it should have been higher
I feel like with Andor whether people like it or not really comes down to this "it doesn't feel like Star Wars". For me I kinda think maybe that is what the Star Wars galaxy feels like for the little guy, when there are no Jedi and grand politics involved. I wouldn't want Star Wars to only be this, I would for sure get bored very soon. But I'm still happy a quality product like this exists that gives a different perspective and tells a story in a different style. It really just sucks that of all the shows Disney has put out, THIS had to be the one with the highest quality of production. If Boba-Fett and Obi-Wan had been great, nobody would complain about Andor.
Exactly. It’s not realistic that every person in the galaxy knows about Jedis and the force
Your list is pretty close to mine. The only differences for me is that Andor is B tier and Kenobi is a C. Andor is a really well crafted show and does so many things right. The only reason it’s not higher for me is personal taste. I prefer fantasy style of story telling over grounded stuff.
Kenobi is an interesting one for me. It’s had some amazing highs that I rewatch often (mostly when things focused on Vader and Kenobi) but it did had a lot lows that you mentioned (Reva, low budget, pacing).
My personal opinion:
S: Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi.
A: Mando, Rebels, Ahsoka
B: Bad Batch
C: Obiwan
D: Boba Fett, Andor
I love the story that Rebels created. Continuing it with Ahsoka made me so happy. My favorite Star Wars shows but objectively clone wars and totj are better.
I don't think I've seen anything star wars related that made me dislike or fear the empire, until Andor showed up.
Andor is like watching paint dry 😂
@@tesla82111 Because of people like yall with attention span problems we got Kenobi episodes that had 27 minutes of content. Yall just cant comprehend watching something long now so everything has to be fast paced and rushed to oblivion.
@@SerCaelus Mando Season 1 and 2 was the only Disney Star Wars TV show worth watching. Stop being butthurt about Andor being booty cheeks.
@@tesla82111 Sure buddy thats why its highly praised everywhere it is mentioned with a very good score overall. Everybody knows that Mando S1 and S2 was great but a show doesnt need cameos every episode to be good. Andor achieved that as much as yall with childish attention spans cant fathom it. Go watch Acolyte its more of your taste. Fast paced and rushed so you cant even understand how bad it is.
Nah man, Andor is truly is a blessing in Star Wars. Everything was top notch. Acting, writing, cinematography, production value, and visual effects. I would say it’s probably the best written Star Wars project since the originals ( not saying the prequels are bad but when you compare all aspects to Andor, they fall shallow).
@@repticare101 yall swt meatmunchers have no taste and it shows everytime jeez
Honestly this echoes my thoughts, probably the best written star wars ever, close to empire strikes back. Masterclass in depth, character and storytelling. The fact that quality of that magnitude is possible in a Disney show is mind blowing to me and is a minor miracle.
@@repticare101lil bro
@@repticare101 I mean it kinda is the best written project of Star Wars since the originals. The prequels have horrid dialogue at times, lack direction, and many of the CGI effects are aging in many scenes and the sequels were just a disaster in all aspects except visuals. All other shows (including Ahsoka and excluding Mando) have the same problem of questionable writing and uninspired cinematography. As for Rogue One and Solo, both are great projects but don’t have the depth and strong enough themes compared to Andor (actually maybe Rogue One).
@@repticare101 It has all the lore of Star Wars. The show is meant to show how life was like for the ordinary citizen under a facist imperial rule. It showcases the brutality of the Empire in a completely different way as we are used to seeing them only kill and harm rebels but in this show they kill and harm civilians. It shows the inner workings of the Empire which also something that is rarely seen since to many fans the Empire is only Palpatine, Vader, Thrawn, and stormtroopers. This show makes you hate the empire since it’s portrayed more realistically. Don’t forget it also showcases the very beginnings of the rebellion with again ordinary citizens banding together to fight the empire. If you don’t like the show, that’s all cool. I’m just trying to explain that the show is 100% Star Wars.
Andor was phenomenal.
Appreciate you being on the content grind Theory❤️
Ahsoka is obv the best Disney era Star Wars in my opinion
I agree with this list. The S tier shows are shows that if I were stranded on an island, I would watch them forever. Awesome vid btw!
You would watch Clone Wars season 1 and 2 forever? I doubt it
@@steveno7058 Yes. Those seasons have some of my favorite episodes.
@@Mr.Cstopmotionfacts
@@ghurd1685 Double Fax!
@@steveno7058yeah those seasons did have a lot of war based and sort of repeating episodes that follow the same theme, but I think they had to show that in order to tell everyone what is going on all the time in the clone "WARS".
Even when we are following the main characters a war is still going on in the background.
Boba felt should have been portrayed as a one man army like in taken, the equaliser or even John Reese from person of interest
Andor C tier? My guy what?
Fr wtf
you do actually have some crazy opinions sometimes. Andor is easily one of the best things that have been done within in star wars for a loong time
Yea imagine disney put their line so low that even Andor is praised, bad times we are in now. Andor was ok at best, it felt very artificial. But still better then most crap they are pumping lately
I agree with everything except andor. I think the fact that it was dark and gritty showed an interesting and new way to show our Star Wars universe. It also gave a broader scope to everything going on within the era of the empire. For someone like myself that hasn’t read comics or books, it really gave a great visual to expanding that era. And finally, it was a fun show that stood on its own. There’s nothing more Star Wars than hearing the amazing quotes from speeches to get an idea of how the people felt around the world that Lucas built. Luthen’s speech was more Star Wars than anything we got from the sequels. The ending protest battle was a sight to see. The prison riot had me bouncing and cheering on the edge of my seat. For those reasons, I gotta put it at a B, (and sorry for this) better than Ahsoka
Go back and watch it again, and this time really think about what Star Wars is. A story of redemption, of resilience, of perseverance. I think you’ll see it deserves more credit than its been given
As much as I agree with you on BOBF, Id have to give it a C or B at least because Even though those mando episodes SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE MANDO SHOW... It was some of the best Mando content we got, including Luke :)
Weird connection some might’ve missed. The senator in Ahsoka that was kindve a douhe is the father of the main character in Star Wars Resistance. Thought I’d throw that out there 🤷♂️
My list
S
Andor
Clone Wars
A
Clone Wars (2002)
Mandalorian
Tales of the Jedi
Rebels
B
Ahsoka
The Bad Batch
C
Boba Fett
D
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Resistance
Curious to know what you don’t like about Andor! The speeches in that show gave me more chills than the entirety of every other Disney Star Wars show combined.
theres nothing star wars about andor except a few mentions... it was rly boring!
he is ranking andor c tier as a star wars show if you would rank it as a standalone it's the best one in terms of overall quality but yeah not really good star wars lore wise and such.
He said it, it was a great show but it didn't feel like star wars.
@@darkpro0031 have to disagree big time about it being boring. It's a character and dialogue driven show and it still had a healthy amount of action, and tension throughout basically the whole series.
I also think some think it doesn't "feel like star wars" because it's telling such a wholly different story about characters who really have no involvement with the jedi, or the force, or past events, or any of it.
Cassian gets swept up in some BS he wants nothing to do with, but the call to be great ends up being too strong. Freaking love that show! lol
@@repticare101💀 how so
Aint no way Andor is below Ahsoka 💀
yeah that's actually wild to me. i agree with most of his placements but andor is seriously one of the best things to come out of star wars ever, can't even imagine placing that show in anything less than s or a tier.
If people didn't fall asleep in the first episode it might have a shot but I can't seem to ever make it 😂
@@brady4133because it’s aimed towards adults not kids like yourself.
@@bear2507 I'm 29 lol
@@brady4133bro ur defo 12
I agree with this list. Your reasonings were appreciated and it was great to see how you proceed a lot of what was given to us. Great job Theory.
Andor is sooo gooood. I feel like it gets the same kind of criticism the prequels got when they came out (too political and stuff). My take is: S tier is Clone Wars, Mando 1 and 2, and Andor. Tales had some fascinating moments as well, so A. In B, I would put Rebels and Bad Batch, in C should be Ahsoka, and in D Boba and kenobi
I actually really liked Andor. But ofc we all have different opinions. Mando is an S just because season 1 and 2 were so incredible.
I would personally put Andor at B tier. I think it was the first bit of Disney Star Wars that had something to say. One of the main themes for Casian Andor coming from rogue one is how the lines of morality are blurred on both sides in war time, and that there are good and bad folks on both sides, as well as atrocities committed in the name of “freedom.” I also liked how it was a slow burn because, up until that point, much of Disney’s output for Star Wars was quick (if unsatisfying) “fan service” to try and appease people rather than crafting truly great storytelling. If they would’ve taken out one or two side plots and added a few more “Star wars-y” elements, it would be in A for sure.
I would put Rebels and Andor in A tier but otherwise this is a really good tier list
Andor needs to be A tier, no flashy gimmicks or cameo appearances to cover up for lacklustre writing or storytelling, just a gritty hard fought determination, that made me for feel for the first time in a long time that Rebellion was the right thing to do.
Every character was pretty much on point, and the dialogue was awesome
Andor wasn't star wars it was star trek that shit isn't even worth a watch unless you enjoy watching paint dry and sniffing glue it shouldn't even be on this list
@@christopherbenard5702 It's comments like this that confirm for me that Star Wars is for jocks that weren't athletic or sociable enough to be into sports.
We 100% need a redo video of the movies!!! Would be amazing!!! And even more detail talk would be amazing!!!
The Clone Wars was my favorite show to watch in my childhood. To this day, I am still so happy that you did interviewed both (JAT) James Arnold Taylor and Ashley Eckstain. Both of these voice actors are so awesome and I can't believe how sweet they are irl. 🥺🥺🤗🤗🧡🤍💙
Huge andor ranking L, watching it weekly I get being kinda slow. But all at once, it was a 10 hour masterpiece
Andor wasn't star wars it was star trek that shit isn't even worth a watch unless you enjoy watching paint dry and sniffing glue
@@christopherbenard5702 It was a slow burn, but a good burn. It also made the Empire feel like an actual empire and a threat.
The Mandalorian S1 and S2 and Andor are 10/10
Andor is mid
@@MrMortyBaby you are not smart enough to understand and its fine. you will probably grow up
season 1 and andor yes. season 2 of mando is 8.5/10
@@eurongreyjoy1008 Insulting someone over their taste and saying they need to grow up to have the same intellectually superior taste as you is as childish as it can get. It seems, you failed to grasp the irony.
@@MrMortyBabytell me one part of Andor that’s mid. I’ll wait.
Andor, in my opinion, is the best thing Disney Star Wars has ever produced.
Agreed
That and rogue one
Andor is my favourite series. An amazing show FULL STOP. It being a Star Wars show is just a massive bonus.
Agree with Mando 3, take that out and I would give 1 & 2 an A also. The Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch an S tier for me. Your tier ranking is almost spot on
Really enjoyed Andor because i feel like it takes itself seriously, more than the other shows. It doesnt have quipy one liners or rely on nostalgia.
Andor is by far S tier. Felt the most like Star Wars, had the best story, and amazing production, directing and acting. (Not every show needs to have fan service every episode to keep you hooked, sorry theory)
Andor is the best thing Disney has done and it's not particularly close.
My ranking:
S tier: CW Mando
A tier- Andor, tales of the Jedi, Ahsoka (all will potentially move once more seasons come out.)
B Tier-Rebels bad batch (both solid shows)
C Tier-Kenobi
D Tier- BOBF
Haven’t watched resistance or 2003 clone wars. I love everything A tier and up. Andor will quickly become s tier if season 2 is just as good.
Andor is S tier and peak star wars.
Yes, it doesn't feel like star wars but that's exactly why people love it.
Its a new and fresh direction for star wars. The writing is miles better than any of the other Disney star wars shows.
Andor is the best starwars show we had so far.
Andor isnt Star Wars, and thats a good thing tbh. No other Star Wars show feels as grounded, real, and has the dialogue and heart the show has.
Agree with you on pretty much anything. Except Andor. Man, what a show! The writing, the acting, the depth of the characters, the cinematography... For me it's an S-tier without the shadow of a doubt. Best thing Disney has released.
Andor is absolutely in a tier all its own. Mando was close until the steep drop in quality S3
I would agree with Clone wars and the original 6 being the complete Starwars story, but I think I'd add Rouge One to that list. It really just fills in a cool gap in starwars without destroying the mystery of how Anakin developed into Vader. I like shows that keep things speculatory and not showing a mediocre version of how they changed. All we need for Vader really is Episode 3 and then episode 4.
I already know he going to put andor way lower then it should be when all together it’s easily Star Wars best written project.
Decent list, i'd personally move obi-wan to c for the Vader vs obi wan battle alone and haydens representation of vaders hatred for obi wan was incredible. Andor and rebels deserves A tier as well imo. Nice list man!
Do a series of rating every episode in a season like in show like clone wars and then new video season by season that could be fun
At least Andor doesn’t feel silly and stupid like all the other new star wars. The fighting is just so bad. Its hard to get over for me but I love Star Wars and it’s always been one of my biggest hobbies. I’m so sad rn man. Star Wars is in a bad place although Ashoka was ok