Isn't it funny how CEO's claim that they get paid the big bucks because of the responsibility that they have, right up until something happens? CEO's and other executives should be held to account for the crimes of the companies that they run.
In the UK, there is a charge of corporate manslaughter. Company officials can be convicted and sent to prison. The law isn't used as much as it should be, but it is a possibility.
Corporate officials can be charged here, but the burden of proof is a bit higher. There’s often cases of fraud so significant that the corporation and the executives are held for personal responsibility. It’s also the same thing when a corporation is proven to be directly involved in a murder (or in EBay’s case gang stalking). That being said - the insurance company is in a unique position. They aren’t responsible for the health problems people have and their corporate structure to audit conditions and approve/deny cases - is just enough beaucracy to distance the executive leadership from decisions that do result in deaths. As this person said - once media attention is on a case, they normally approve it. So once the CEO is aware they usually force the company to approve it. So proving murder on the executives - is a long road in this case.
I don’t think it’s negligence. It’s intentional. They choose shareholder profits over patient health. Aka they choose profit via pain, suffering, and death.
Yes and this isn’t about some shoes you bought and expected to receive, it’s about medical care that can predict your quality of life and even your death
well, it's a contract violation. Corporations are supposed to do evil, they are creatures of the government...there do do us harm for profit. Sanctioned, absolutely sanctioned. Do YOU think the U.S. government want you dead? YES THEY DO!
We all have Nixon and a friend of his who owned an insurance company for that! Nixon friend convinced him that insurance companies should be for profit. Nixon got it passed,and here we are!
If you pay for the service, you should RECEIVE the service. Imagine a restaurant that takes your money, but serves you no food because they deem you “unworthy” of it.
"Let's appoint a different fox to guard the hen house! I'm convinced this is the perfect solution, guys!" -A fox addressing the hens who keep voting for him
No, but we can fund twenty-year wars, and special contracts and projects for millionaire-billionaires, corporate bailouts for industries, including banking, which influence and bribe our legislators and the judicial system.
When you get health insurance they make it pretty clear in the policy that they will not cover everything even if it’s necessary. The insured then agree to that when they get insurance. It’s not murder even if a claim is denied wrongfully. At best it’s manslaughter.
RIP to all of the victims of Brian Thompson. All the thousands of lives ended each year and the millions of people affected by all of the crimes of Brian Thompson and the atrocities he committed against sick and suffering people and their friends and family who had to helplessly watch them suffer until their last days. May this tragedy spark real meaningful change in our policies immediately 💜
I understand the sentiment but he is not the one who denies claims. He is just ultimately responsible, where the buck stops. There are other people and managers who make the decisions on granting or denying claims. And they hide behind "orders are orders". After WW2 at the Neurenberg trials it was already confirmed that "orders are orders" was no excuse for your own actions.
@@zeeman1975He implemented the AI system United Healthcare is using to deny claims to this day. To omit his responsibility is disgusting. He is the CEO.
You know what would make America great? Healthcare as a right, not a luxury. Edit: "get a job"? I have a great job with great benefits. I also have this rare thing called compassion. That's why I care about things that don't actually affect me personally.
What would make America great if a certain group of Americans and non americans would be accountable for themselves rather than thinking tax payers should be responsible for them.
@@liveformybabies1190 the hospitals and doctors inflate charges to give them room to negotiate. If you see a bill for $35,000 you're insurance probably only pays $10,000 by the time it's all said and done. That's not ALWAYS the case but that's pretty common.
Before Louigi event my insurance would not cover over three hundred dollars of neurological testing . The testing was postponed because I was sick. Resubmitted post Louigi event and they will now pay all but 90 dollars . Who do i have to thank for this sudden generosity on the part of the insurance company ? NOT A SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL OF EITHER PARTY . You know who gets the gratitude.
Insurance is a scam in America now. Home insurance and auto insurance are also going through the roof. This all happened in last few years. I hope there are whistleblowers who speak up so people like Luigi don’t have to take extreme action to make this point.
Major news media, you better keep this topic alive. Don’t bury it under distractions like subway burning, shootings, a burning Tesla truck etc. those things matter, just don’t forget this healthcare topic. Americans suffer at the hands of billionaires. The suffering is real. The pain is real. The anger is real. Do not turn your back on us.
"Is this acceptable?" they ask of the social murder of thousands of human beings who trusted a health insurance company with their lives, paid them for years, and were left to die because hospitals weren't allowed to treat them after they were denied coverage. "This is obviously unacceptable", they proudly state of the vigilante slaying of ONE rich man who caused those deaths.
They don’t care. Look at the profitability of insurance companies following the passage of Obamacare! Look at their stock price! Our government sold us out to the insurance companies in the media continues to cover for them. CNN is probably the worst but MSNBC is a close second.
And also the distraction from people in New Jersey suddenly discovering that drones, planes, helicopters, stars, and planets appear in the night sky. After being told they should look up at night. That was so obviously an attempt to give the RW pundits a chance to climb off of the _"Won't someone think of the CEOs?"_ Hill that they were looking at dying on. They immediately leapt over to the "Deep State/Iranian/Alien drones mystery" that triggers the fear response of all the online MAGAs - who had just begun grasping the concept of "they've got us fighting a culture war to stop us fighting a class war." There was no way for Ben Shapiro types to pivot or retcon their views, and just pretending it never happened would be too obvious.... unless they could convincingly yell "look over there."
Honestly I’m surprised at the actual nuanced conversation here. That being said, corporate media like this is owned by the same people who profit from the healthcare industry. Journalists now are bought just like politicians and others
Den of vile evil. Its a little sad that it requires Luigi methods to fix the problem, but thats what they have made the system into so its doomed to be what will happen, more and more.
Literally Luigi’s alleged actions have saved lives and improved the quality of care for thousands of people because now people are looking at these practices
@@MichaelCairns-fv2vi yes, “alleged” - no one’s convicted him of anything yet. Just like no one has convicted Brian Thompson of taking the lives of patients who died because he denied their claims.
My eyes have been opened wider than before! Look into Brigham Buhler interviews on Joe Rogan & Tucker Carlson. We really are clueless to the inner workings of this major $$$$$ making business.
So, some of these insurance companies are now approving more claims, in effect, rewarding Luigi (or whoever did killed the CEO) for their actions... interesting.
Terrorism charges?? Absolutely ludicrous. The only people who might possibly be terrified are those who are both obscenely rich and profit off of regular people's suffering. That's a very, very small population, and they don't need protecting.
I am a retired senior medical doctor living in the UK. Our health system has its problems, but no one is denied care. To make profits out of healthcare is obscene.
My mother has been suffering from cellulitis for 4 years now, 3 different primary doctors couldn't be bothered to prescribe her antibiotics to fix it. It took us an ER visit that will cost us 30,000$ just to get 10 days worth of antibiotics, which isn't enough, but we now have to do a followup with the hospital's doctor in their PRIVATE PRACTICE OFFICE to Hopefully get enough antibiotics. My mother's skin is melting ffs.
@@FamiAoi I am so sorry that the doctors never to neglected your mother like that. There is no excuse and I suspect this would qualify as elder abuse.What was there excuse for doing NOTHING ??? I would consider filing a complaint with the department of health.
hi, i'm european, i don't have a good opinion of the uk health system, surely it's better than the usa but it's one of the worst on the eu continent. example: i went through a stage 4 cancer at 28 , which required 3 chemios and a marrow transplant, and many many different exams in the span of 2 years, the first hospital let me wait 1 month to perform the biopsy that would have said which cancer i had ( and i was stage 4 ). because they were following "protocol" .i went to another one where they rushed me in and within 1 week i had the biopsy done, other exams and the first chemio , which greatly improved my condition (initial remission= better mental too), then they cured me for 2 years ending up in a full remission. why am i explaining this ? because that "protocol" difference is a real thing even among countries, and IN THE UK i would have been denied the care or having to paid it by myself (200+k) because for your protocol i'd have deemed a lost case, with high chances of not making it despite the chemio/etc, essentially "not worth the investment". and that's why the uk cancer survival rate is the worst on the eu continent for almost every type of cancer (some articles even state is below usa and south korea). this exact thing happened to the father of a friend that was living in uk, he was 54, got diagnosed with a liver cancer, got redirected to palliative care, realized too late (wasn't much scholarized) what palliative means and when he left the uk and came back here to get actually cured it was already too late. think england can do much better.
I agree that many European healthcare systems are better than UK these days, but the basic argument remains - no one should be denied healthcare because they can’t afford it.
"I will never understand how we normalized health insurance companies acting as a barrier between doctors and patients for no other reason than extracting money. They literally don't even have a product." Brooke Vittimberga
Just another way powerful (wealthy) people concocted to take more money from less powerful (wealthy) people. Some of these powerful (wealthy) individuals would do well to brush up on their late 18th century French history - just sayin.
Newsweek said United Healthcare just denied paying for their patient who is in the ICU, on a ventilator, and IN A COMA. The American healthcare system is the worst in the developed world.
@@ohthatpaul If something like this happened in our city and the patient’s family reported it to the media, the hospital and the insurance company would get in serious trouble. The media would chase the CEO for answers, and our government would step in to fix the issue. In US, the government does nothing!
If something like this happened in our city and the patient’s family reported it to the media, the hospital and the insurance company would get in serious trouble. The media would chase the CEO for answers, and our government would step in to fix the issue. In Us, the government does nothing!
Maybe MAGA needs to hear about this because GOP politicians will continue gaslighting and distracting their constituents while giving tax breaks to corporations.
I'm so sick of people calling this 'terrible' or 'tragic.' It's inevitable. The rich will only listen to one thing. They've made it clear they're never going to compromise.
Change never happens until a death occurs. Even something as simple as a traffic light or ‘Stop’ sign. People can write and call about an intersection being bad but nothing gets installed until someone dies. The CEO’s death was inevitable.
2 things can be true-it’s tragic, but is inevitable because people will always result to violence in hopes it will bring change. There are many people involved with how the healthcare system works. Getting shot-MURDERED is tragic. Children lost their parent. Of course there will be people that say, well by not providing life changing insurance for someone’s parent, they die. No matter, this is all a tragic situation.
@@wamyc you being mad at the broken system that actually begins with government doesn’t mean that gives you the right to murder people. We currently pay for “free” healthcare for illegals and welfare recipients sitting on their butt all day, I don’t like that and that isn’t fair to everyone else who works hard but it’s the governments responsibility to fix that. They won’t but you don’t see anyone murdering people in the government… you just vote and hope your vote gets the toxic people out. Your mentality of let’s execute people is toxic, you might want to get some help
Yeah. I don't see what's terrible here. Every extra amount of money that CEO got in increased profits came at the cost of denying medical care to his customers for coverage they paid for. There can be no doubt that his actions have lead to the deaths of far more people than whoever killed him.
@@susanpillion3114 This is not true anymore. Obamacare required all of congress and their staff to acquire healthcare through the same ACA exchange as the public. Obama wanted lawmakers to understand what their constituents were dealing with.
Israel has Both FREE Universal Healthcare and Free University/College Tuition. WE American Taxpayers Give Billions in OUR Tax Money Every Year, for Decades to Israel! WE Pay for Theirs, so they get it Free and we have to Pay Out of Pocket for our Own for both, and often go into Debt, or go Without Both Healthcare and College Tuition! Make That Make Sense! Good luck to us all IF Snake-Oil Salesman, Dr. Oz is confirmed! He is Heavily Invested in Healthcare Stocks and wants to change those on Medicare to the Highly Profitable to people like him and CEOs, “Advantage” Plans! Our Healthcare System will go from bad to even worse with people like Project 2025 Russel Vought, Dr. Oz, RFK jr., and Elon and Vivek etc., they will only make everything worse if they can get away with it! (all while enriching themselves and laughing all the way to the bank!) 🤬
I live in Canada and we have universal healthcare. It is not”free” it is paid for through taxes but I will willingly pay those taxes to have access to healthcare when I need it.
While allowing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of others is called good business acumen. The system is rigged, folks. Time to wake up from the American Dream, cause you have to be asleep to believe it.
Absolute disgusting to know that he's making that much cause he's letting ppl die rather than spend the necessary money the need and was paying for 🤬🤬🤮
Thank you for your framing of this serious topic. I hate how most other media only frames this as a horrific murder of a CEO and then just stop and if you try to say anything they just yell that you must be into murder. As if it can't be both terrible that it happened AND a completely obvious outcome from our broken healthcare system that we should talk about.
Can we talk about wealth, inequality, and more importantly, wage inequality, all of the seniors on Social Security that do not make anywhere near $1000 per week, etc.
As a US born citizen and dual citizen of Canada who has lived and worked in both health care systems, I can genuinely say that the US should just get rid of the middle man layer of health insurance companies, and instead adopt a single payer health care system that is accessible to all legal residents, with zero deductibles, zero co-pays. That is what Canada has and it works much better.
i believe that is what ACA was intended to be but to get republican votes...they made compromises. getting rid of single payer aspect was one of the many terrible compromises....
@laurapierce2822 The issue in the USA is that the politicians on the right call such a system "socialist" which immediately translates to "communism" in the minds of the uninformed and brainwashed voting right. They are unable to differentiate between a "central committee" and a governmental system of health insurance administration.
@@swilliams1759 The second most disgraceful thing about US "Healthcare" is the number of outright lies told to Americans to make them believe they are getting a good deal
Someone tell me a story that justifies the existence of Healthcare Insurance companies. Hospitals, doctors, nurses, facilities, and equipment are healthcare delivery. The insurance company does nothing in terms of healthcare services that helps anyone but their profit line. Denial of care is pure profit for the insurance company.
The last time I had to go to the ER three times in a month I ended up with a 10k bill (I was 19...great start for a kid in college. I was also insured) I haven't been to the ER since then (30 now) and last time I thought I had to go to the ER I was having an asthma attack and decided to wait it out. Luckily I lived! I hope I'm that lucky next time.
As a Canadian, I truly don’t understand how America- supposedly the greatest country- hasn’t figured this out yet. Medical care for all isn’t a new or groundbreaking concept. Yes we pay a lot in taxes, but the US has a disgustingly large budget for military. If they wanted to pay for medical care & education, they could…
Healthcare Corporations are in bed with Congress, BOTH parties. Big Pharma bribes Congress with donations and "perks". Congress keeps their jobs and benefits. And round and round it goes......lots of money and power. They could care less.
The US is too concerned with supporting the murderous Zionists to care about Americans ' needs. Witness Congress underwriting military benefits for IDF vets and serving members identical to those for US service members !
it's not that good here either. had to deal with my car insurance recently and it was a nightmare just even getting in contact with a real person. called 4-5x a day for a few days, got no one. had to file several complaints before someone arranged to even a phone call, and then was told i get nothing. it's the same everywhere, being in canada doesn't mean anything
We have figured it out, genius. We're stuck in a system we can't change. Does that clear things up for you? Okay, get back to shoveling snow with the other 8 people up there.
Why aren’t we the people in favor of universal healthcare? What are you afraid of? Corporations receive our tax dollars to make profits! They give themselves raises bc of our tax dollars 💵! Why isn’t it appealing for us to benefit from universal healthcare? Is there something I’m missing here? Please explain?
@@alvinsmith3875 Massive amounts of people ARE in favor of universal healthcare, genius. We can't make it happen because of the entrenched system of bribes and corporate/political greed. What, are you 12 or something? Pay attention and maybe you won't seem so stupid.
The guardian has an interesting article on the 'insanity'-defense, arguing that it should also cover the 'my sense of right and wrong was broken and I suddenly snapped' and even the 'my sense of right and wrong was eroded over time so often that I 'snapped' slowly over time'.If you think about it, that last one is what happened regardless of whether Luigi was insured with UHC; in Luigi's view, the healthcare system did ethical wrongs that were deemed ok by society for soo long that it made him let go of 'don't murder ever' and eventually conclude that this was a morally good act. In a sense, the entire US seems to have that problem, albeit to a small degree. And that means that a defense like this will force the US society to process it as well.
He wasn't but his Mother was. Remember when there was that media blast trumpeting "Luigi was not a customer of UnitedHealthcare" ? All of those conveniently neglected that he watched his Mother struggle with UnitedHealthcare for years.
Many healthcare providers are nonprofits. Unfortunately it doesn’t mean it’s ethical or functional. I recommend the book “An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back”. Source: worked in healthcare technology for years.
@@JoeyJoJoJr0 Why can CEOs of the healthcare companies get tens of millions in annual salary+ bonuses! This is ridiculous. An annual salary of $200,000 is enough
8:14 This was me in the 1990s when I was in my 20s. My Stanford University neurologists ordered a diagnostic blood test and Blue Cross / Blue Shield denied it as unnecessary. The $3,000 ($5,500 in today's money) I owed for the test scared me so much, I didn't see another doctor for a decade+. My symptoms progressed into fully being mobility disabled. I didn't have a support system and didn't know about appealing the denial. EDIT: Thank you to LUIGI for bringing healthcare to light.
I agree. I was injured in the Army, several Arny surgeries, nerve damage, spine damage. After discharge my Arny injuries were preconditions in the 1990s. I had to fight with the VA for 24 years for full medical coverage. I still can't get any private insurance.
Talk about the woman UHC denied, but she's on a ventilator in the ICU in a coma and got denied for coverage because coverage isn't considered necessary. We are all one pencil pusher away from being murdered by healthcare we've spent decades paying.
I’m going through this with my 84 year old mother. The hospital wants her to come home on hospice and I have no help but me at home and no money to pay for help.
I’m my mother’s caregiver and we are on a budget. A company, VITAS, targeted my mother for her Medicare. I told them she doesn’t need hospice because I’m her healthcare advocate and live with her 24/7 foremost, she is not dying. They assured me they were only giving her palliative care. After her other Dr.’s bills were not being processed properly and the bills mounting I realized they were holding her Medicare hostage. I asked them to write down what they provided for my mother for 5+ months but they refused. We contacted Medicare to discover they were billing over $5000/month for their services!!! They came to the house 1x per week for 15 minutes and gave her generic medication. Please beware of any “hospice service” that comes knocking on your door. After we ceased their services they sent Adult Protective Services to check on my mother!?!? The Representative quickly understood that they were trying to get away with fraud. When I left to pick up the paperwork at their office, they sent two administrative women to our home to get my mother alone and tried to get her to sign off their services as hospice. My mother said “No thank you. I’m not signing anything”. They’re in serious trouble for committing Medicare fraud, *again* and their desperate attempts to show my mother as weak and feeble has fallen flat. My mother still drives her car to her Dr’s appointments for goodness sakes!
Once a doctor at Jakson memorial hospital in Miami where I was working as a benevol told me when I ask him the question of the hyppocrat oath because he was refusing to treat a patient for not having insurance that in the US it doesn't apply! Originally from France I was totally shocked by his answer. In France a doctor refusing to treat someone in dire straight would be prosecuted for non assistance to person in danger!
Of course. This is the narrative they need to perpetuate: That you owe sympathy to your abusers. That we should all grieve for the sack of crap whose entire business was to sell people promises of health care when they needed it, and then break those promises to save on costs.
@@liveformybabies1190what's wrong with our country. Is you don't even know why my Last name is the name of 44 cities and counties . And Gilbert statue gaurds the Whitehouse as AN IMMIGRANT GRANTED HONORARY CITIZENSHIP!
Patients should NOT be fighting denials!! They should only try to fight the disease!! Healthcare insurance was supposed to monitor the quality of care provided by the doctors and soon the greed took over!!
Thank you for talking about this. It's not a civilized society if for profit companies are allowed to do what ever they want, deny paying out valid claims in order to increase profits to outrageous levels and give massive bonuses to CEOs who knowingly take steps to deny people the insurance they paid for.
The problem is, universal healthcare has been a failure around the world. This is why foreign nationals come to the United States to get there necessary surgeries. Otherwise, they would have to wait in their home countries until they are dead.
The US “healthcare system” isn’t broken: It’s working exactly as it’s intended to work. It’s not there to provide health care treatments for its citizens; it’s designed to separate you from ALL of your wealth and increase “shareholder value.”
@@sylviagoodman6008 The way Nestle believes water shouldn't be a human right! On this green Earth we were born into that naturally has it fall?! Unbelievable.
not really, they're reporting on this because they HAVE to. It's a major story and the general public won't tolerate the propaganda they tried to serve up in the beginning. Also, their ratings are historically low and they're losing tons of money. They're only reporting on this in a somewhat honest way because they absolutely HAVE to and they have no other choice if they want to stay in business.
Well, no, it's not the best way to "support". Luigi comes from a wealthy family that has its own resources, and his own attorney has said he's not comfortable with accepting donations from other people. A better way to help with this issue is for people to contact their congressperson and senators and tell them to support a not-for-profit and truly universal healthcare system like Medicare For All.
Its very simple. You can find out his register number and call moneygram and say you want to send money to an inmate Luigi mangione and then all you need to know is his register number which can easily be found online but I can't post here but begins with a 5 and u can send money to him directly and it will go directly to his books at the detention center. It's extremely easy to do, over the phone or online. I also have done this
@@veranochick As you should have been able to glean from my comment, I also support healthcare reform. But contributing to Luigi's legal defense won't help that. But contacting your elected officials might.
I'm not holding my breath. There's too much money at stake and those who have a lot of it control our government. They've made sure it has been set up that way.
Fun fact: there is a principle in American common law called jury nullification. Juries have to be independent and cannot be forced to rule a certain way, and that includes that they cannot be forced to rule in accordance with the evidence. Juries in this country are actually allowed to find a defendant not guilty because they don’t think the individual should be punished for what they did.
I was denied access to my on line account with Humana. I wanted to use my OTC money for health care items. Talked to severreal employess who could hardly speak English. I finally got a supervisor who spoke English and she said, my account had been blocked but would not tell me why. I lots all myotc needs. I am sure this supervisor rec. a nice bonus for this and she probably had denied many more people.
@@tomdavies6443wrong. There are plenty of not for profit industries that are successful and employ lots of people and serve the people well as is their mandate. Get an education and some humanity FFS.
Free Luigi.And we need to SOMEHOW change the laws that govern this society.This guy was willing to sacrifice his freedom to draw attention to the problem.
if the billionaires would pay their fair share, we'd all be insured. easily. Question: what do you call a billionaire who pays his fair share in taxes? Answer: a billionaire
Mexico nationalized their oil companies all that you spend on gasoline there the profits go directly to pay for everyone's healthcare, even visitors to the country
In Sweden (and several other nations) we have roughly the same taxes as Norway and it pays for healthcare. The US should model its system after the European countries that work.
We need to keep focus on the CORE ISSUE. For-profit health insurance is based on a fundamental conflict of interest. The more healthcare that is denied, the more profit these companies make. Do not let yourself be fooled by all the noise and distraction, THIS IS THE ONLY ISSUE WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING regarding this event. $450 BILLION dollars PER YEAR. ~68,000 deaths attributable to delayed, withheld, and lacking care PER YEAR. DO NOT LET ANY CORPORATE LOBBYIST, CORPORATE NEWS MEDIA, OR POLITICIAN DISTRACT FROM THIS CORE ISSUE. DO NOT LET ANYONE STEER THE CONVERSATION AWAY FROM THIS.
Imagine you had a terrible accident and needed an operation(s) to enable you to walk again. But then the insurance company denies your claim and condemns you to life in a wheelchair. That is horrible!! Who can afford to fight with insurance companies in court to make the insurance company pay for those operations? A situation like this can lead you to do awful things.
There is another story where an older man had severe back problems that could likely be fixed with surgery, but his insurance provider denied surgery was medically necessary, dooming him to a life addicted to pain killers and unable to enjoy pretty much anything in life. There are thousands more stories like this, and people need to keep speaking up about them.
one is done by a big money business so gets a pass. another is often done by the poor or at least the non-wealthy so they have to obey the law which was written for them. while big money gets to write the laws for themselves.
They’re actually both murder. One is with intent and the other is as a repercussion of financial intent I’d surmise. One doesn’t make the other one right. And it’s not justice: it’s revenge. Apparently that’s what’s en vogue these days based on the comments. And people also like the idea of a murderer who is clearly having mental health issues to run free again. And be a hero. People are into murder as a solution these days. Look at all the deathrow backlash. People like it. Revenge. Not rehabilitation. What a world! 😂 But it does seem his mentally-unstable actions may benefit others. And hopefully he gets treatment. His family has been worried about him for months. He’s not a terrorist. Still doesn’t make it right to murder someone. Morality definitely isn’t what it used to be. Just my opinion. We all get to have one. 😊
It's so refreshing and such a relief to hear you both speak honestly about what is going on in health care/health insurance. The profit driven insurance companies are the driver of health care in our country. It's sickening, literally.
Don't get fooled. These clowns are with the insurance companies too. It's just a little tactic to pacify the population and let things die down. But the insurance companies will strike back with higher premiums when the coast is clear.
The truth is our government let those insurance companies to rule the system, the doctors , Labs companies have to join them together, never have cost transparency, the bills shows up in your mailbox, you have expected to pay!
Or this - the three words that he used on the bullet casings are "terrorism" but when those words are used by the health insurance companies dealing with your "rightful" coverage it's just a matter of "doing business"??????? If that doesn't take the cake I don't know what does. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
The CEO was working on new ways to deny coverage to sick and dying people and he should have been allowed to continue so the investors could make more money. It’s great that everyone has GOT to take a side. Backing a corrupt CEO shows where a person’s heart is at.
To quote middle management at the Healthcare Company I work for, "This is a for-profit company, our most Valuable product is our stock, there will always be more patients."
In 1983 I worked in the medical field, specifically in Cardiology as an echocardiography technician. I remember when the first HMO insurance plans explanation of benefits started coming into the billing office and denying coverage for diagnostic testing that was ordered by the attending physician, I said this should be illegal. Insurance companies should not be able to control what they cover, they rule for their own profit, denying patients access to the gold standard of care set by the American Medical Association.
Terrible unaliving of a CEO? Where were you when the health insurance industry refused to do what they were paid for, which is provid payment for health care!
One Million seconds is 11 days. One Billion seconds is about 33 years. One TRILLION seconds is over 300 centuries. Most people cannot conceive of how much a Trillion is.
Multiple charges are brought by prosecutors to guareantee a finding of guilty on at least something. That's true even though a prosecutor will use some fancy language to claim otherwise. In other words it's politics.
@@EdwardLindon To be more exact, _most of them didn't vote at all._ Three hundred million people in the US, and Donny Dump won the popular vote with 78 mil. Apathy is a bigger part of why he "won" than anything, though the number of misguided right-wing voters in the poorest parts of the country should be cause for alarm as well. People say "it's not left vs. right any more, it's now bottom vs. top", unironically, not realizing THAT WAS LvR, all along.
Too many people don't think things like what happened to that 17 year old could happen to them or to someone they love, until it does. And then it's too late because insurance companies have so much power
They even have this moronic distinction in Sweden; most of our health care is heavily state-subsidized or something to that effect, so if one of us needs really expensive surgery or medicine to survive a condition, we just sort of get it, and we pay a relatively reasonable "maximum cost" or something like that rather than however much they would charge in the US or similar. And yet we still have no such coverage for dentistry (at least, not any more).
I had my dental insurance cancelled for no reason, without telling me. and they continued to send me bills that I paid for two months after Which is INTERSTATE MAIL FRAUD. no one took my case.
As a provider I have watched the deterioration of medical care. It has grown morally corrupt. I have spoken up to insurers who are aggressive in holding their power over providers and their patients. Politicians have enabled power to insurers and large hospitals and I see no intent to change. It is absolutely crazy and hopeless without an immediate reversal.
As a provider, blood is on your hands. Your complicity violates the hippocratic oath. Do you really think the american people will make a distinction between providers and the insurance execs they are clearly in bed with. I'd be real nervous if I were you.
Believing that a group of billionaires is looking out for the common folks takes a special kind of stupid.
Exactly
Yes ... your kind
@@josephjones825 Take a moment and explain why you hate America so much.
Kamala was a billionaire.
Then she Iost it all.
I wonder what happened to her billions...
Or a special kind of negligence. Lying is easy enough, especially if you're a millionaire being paid by billionaires.
If a corporation has the same rights and protections as a person, why can’t they be charged with murder?
Isn't it funny how CEO's claim that they get paid the big bucks because of the responsibility that they have, right up until something happens?
CEO's and other executives should be held to account for the crimes of the companies that they run.
In the UK, there is a charge of corporate manslaughter. Company officials can be convicted and sent to prison. The law isn't used as much as it should be, but it is a possibility.
Because they own the US government
Responsibility is not the same as liability.
Corporate officials can be charged here, but the burden of proof is a bit higher. There’s often cases of fraud so significant that the corporation and the executives are held for personal responsibility. It’s also the same thing when a corporation is proven to be directly involved in a murder (or in EBay’s case gang stalking). That being said - the insurance company is in a unique position. They aren’t responsible for the health problems people have and their corporate structure to audit conditions and approve/deny cases - is just enough beaucracy to distance the executive leadership from decisions that do result in deaths. As this person said - once media attention is on a case, they normally approve it. So once the CEO is aware they usually force the company to approve it.
So proving murder on the executives - is a long road in this case.
In this country negligent homicide is perfectly legal if you are a healthcare executive.
Spot on
Absolutely!! Time for some real changes!! I bet these rich c.e.o.'s sick family members don't get denied coverage.
40,000 people died when Brian was CEO, from denied Unitedhealthcare coverage.
In this country negligent homicide will get you re-elected president.
I don’t think it’s negligence. It’s intentional. They choose shareholder profits over patient health. Aka they choose profit via pain, suffering, and death.
Taking people's money for a service that you never intended on delivering on is FRAUD at minimum.
Yes also manslaughter in many cases where patients died
Never thought of that but 100% you’re right. The heck we paying for? To get denied? That is fraud 100%
Yes and this isn’t about some shoes you bought and expected to receive, it’s about medical care that can predict your quality of life and even your death
Agreed. That is awful!
well, it's a contract violation. Corporations are supposed to do evil, they are creatures of the government...there do do us harm for profit. Sanctioned, absolutely sanctioned. Do YOU think the U.S. government want you dead? YES THEY DO!
US Healthcare should not be for profit.
Everything in the US is a commodity to be bought, sold, and profited from, myself included. Welcome to Slavery 3.0.
Very good point!
We all have Nixon and a friend of his who owned an insurance company for that! Nixon friend convinced him that insurance companies should be for profit. Nixon got it passed,and here we are!
How about Colleges ?
Bingo... but that ain't gonna happen...
I read a comment, "Just because the weapon is paperwork doesn't mean it isn't murder."
Well said💯💯💯💯
Exactly
That is the perfect example of corporate literature. ergo the Mafia.
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The pen is mightier than the sword.
“Just because the weapon is paperwork doesn’t mean it isn’t murder”.
FACTS
Yes! Exactly! Hitler signed paperwork and murdered people.
Imma leave your likes on 187
Deep
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The Insurance companies need to be charged with Terrorism not Luigi.
What is wrong with the healthcare industry? The fact it's an industry. It should be a public service, not a for profit enterprise.
bingo grande
If you pay for the service, you should RECEIVE the service.
Imagine a restaurant that takes your money, but serves you no food because they deem you “unworthy” of it.
@@diamondsmasher You just described the entire insurance industry's business model.
🧂
Greedy people!
Nothing like voting for billionaires to fix the problems billionaires created.
Indeed.
"Let's appoint a different fox to guard the hen house! I'm convinced this is the perfect solution, guys!"
-A fox addressing the hens who keep voting for him
Never let a puppy clean up its own mess.
Excellent comment 👌.
Nobody ever said MAGA was smart. Not even the guy they voted for.
It's insane! The most powerful country in the world and we can't offer healthcare to our citizens.
We could but then the rich might have to pay some taxes 😢
No, but we can fund twenty-year wars, and special contracts and projects for millionaire-billionaires, corporate bailouts for industries, including banking, which influence and bribe our legislators and the judicial system.
We should just blame dole bludgers i'm sure that will fix everything, oh and blame immigrants.
Slaves not citizens
I'm from Australia. It's always amazed me the US doesn't have free health care 😢
In my book, denying coverage for necessary healthcare is murder.
100% RIGHT
When you get health insurance they make it pretty clear in the policy that they will not cover everything even if it’s necessary. The insured then agree to that when they get insurance. It’s not murder even if a claim is denied wrongfully. At best it’s manslaughter.
$ 3TR worth
RIP to all of the victims of Brian Thompson. All the thousands of lives ended each year and the millions of people affected by all of the crimes of Brian Thompson and the atrocities he committed against sick and suffering people and their friends and family who had to helplessly watch them suffer until their last days. May this tragedy spark real meaningful change in our policies immediately 💜
I wish I could give this comment 100+ thumbs up
I understand the sentiment but he is not the one who denies claims. He is just ultimately responsible, where the buck stops. There are other people and managers who make the decisions on granting or denying claims. And they hide behind "orders are orders". After WW2 at the Neurenberg trials it was already confirmed that "orders are orders" was no excuse for your own actions.
@@zeeman1975 He works as part of a system that harms others.
@@zeeman1975hiding behind his orders
@@zeeman1975He implemented the AI system United Healthcare is using to deny claims to this day. To omit his responsibility is disgusting. He is the CEO.
You know what would make America great? Healthcare as a right, not a luxury.
Edit: "get a job"? I have a great job with great benefits. I also have this rare thing called compassion. That's why I care about things that don't actually affect me personally.
What would make America great if a certain group of Americans and non americans would be accountable for themselves rather than thinking tax payers should be responsible for them.
@@randysmith3654 So, red states?
What would be great if doctors and drug companies would stop charging so much. Then insurance could pay better.
@@randysmith3654 too vague. Say what you mean.
@@liveformybabies1190 the hospitals and doctors inflate charges to give them room to negotiate. If you see a bill for $35,000 you're insurance probably only pays $10,000 by the time it's all said and done. That's not ALWAYS the case but that's pretty common.
Before Louigi event my insurance would not cover over three hundred dollars of neurological testing . The testing was postponed because I was sick. Resubmitted post Louigi event and they will now pay all but 90 dollars .
Who do i have to thank for this sudden generosity on the part of the insurance company ? NOT A SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL OF EITHER PARTY . You know who gets the gratitude.
To be fair I've heard they often reverse the decision on appeal
I get your point, but to be honest if we lived in a better system you really shouldn't have had to pay at all.
That’s a made up story.
Word !
@@sie4431The appeal came from a 3D printer in this particular case, it sounds like. 😮
Luigi allegedly did this, but the statement was heard loud and clear across America.
Even in the rest of the world (i'm european). I agree, u americans sould fight for free health system like we have.
Insurance is a scam in America now. Home insurance and auto insurance are also going through the roof. This all happened in last few years. I hope there are whistleblowers who speak up so people like Luigi don’t have to take extreme action to make this point.
Major news media, you better keep this topic alive. Don’t bury it under distractions like subway burning, shootings, a burning Tesla truck etc. those things matter, just don’t forget this healthcare topic. Americans suffer at the hands of billionaires. The suffering is real. The pain is real. The anger is real. Do not turn your back on us.
It'll get bought out n shut down by the ins rich boys n girls as everything us middle / low suffer at there hands protected by uncle sam
"Is this acceptable?" they ask of the social murder of thousands of human beings who trusted a health insurance company with their lives, paid them for years, and were left to die because hospitals weren't allowed to treat them after they were denied coverage.
"This is obviously unacceptable", they proudly state of the vigilante slaying of ONE rich man who caused those deaths.
They don’t care. Look at the profitability of insurance companies following the passage of Obamacare! Look at their stock price! Our government sold us out to the insurance companies in the media continues to cover for them. CNN is probably the worst but MSNBC is a close second.
And also the distraction from people in New Jersey suddenly discovering that drones, planes, helicopters, stars, and planets appear in the night sky. After being told they should look up at night.
That was so obviously an attempt to give the RW pundits a chance to climb off of the _"Won't someone think of the CEOs?"_ Hill that they were looking at dying on.
They immediately leapt over to the "Deep State/Iranian/Alien drones mystery" that triggers the fear response of all the online MAGAs - who had just begun grasping the concept of "they've got us fighting a culture war to stop us fighting a class war."
There was no way for Ben Shapiro types to pivot or retcon their views, and just pretending it never happened would be too obvious.... unless they could convincingly yell "look over there."
Honestly I’m surprised at the actual nuanced conversation here. That being said, corporate media like this is owned by the same people who profit from the healthcare industry.
Journalists now are bought just like politicians and others
Cigna murdered that 17-year old girl in cold blood. I hope that family never lets them live it down.
Den of vile evil. Its a little sad that it requires Luigi methods to fix the problem, but thats what they have made the system into so its doomed to be what will happen, more and more.
What happened with Cigna and the teenaged girl?
@@Johannesburg777 they denied her a liver transplant and she died.
I'm sure it's just one of thousands
Sue them.
Literally Luigi’s alleged actions have saved lives and improved the quality of care for thousands of people because now people are looking at these practices
"Alleged"..oh come on
@@MichaelCairns-fv2vi yes, “alleged” - no one’s convicted him of anything yet. Just like no one has convicted Brian Thompson of taking the lives of patients who died because he denied their claims.
My eyes have been opened wider than before! Look into Brigham Buhler interviews on Joe Rogan & Tucker Carlson. We really are clueless to the inner workings of this major $$$$$ making business.
So, some of these insurance companies are now approving more claims, in effect, rewarding Luigi (or whoever did killed the CEO) for their actions... interesting.
@@Sirrus-Adam they scawed.....
Terrorism charges?? Absolutely ludicrous. The only people who might possibly be terrified are those who are both obscenely rich and profit off of regular people's suffering. That's a very, very small population, and they don't need protecting.
Yup.
I am a retired senior medical doctor living in the UK. Our health system has its problems, but no one is denied care. To make profits out of healthcare is obscene.
My mother has been suffering from cellulitis for 4 years now, 3 different primary doctors couldn't be bothered to prescribe her antibiotics to fix it. It took us an ER visit that will cost us 30,000$ just to get 10 days worth of antibiotics, which isn't enough, but we now have to do a followup with the hospital's doctor in their PRIVATE PRACTICE OFFICE to Hopefully get enough antibiotics. My mother's skin is melting ffs.
@@FamiAoi I am so sorry that the doctors never to neglected your mother like that. There is no excuse and I suspect this would qualify as elder abuse.What was there excuse for doing NOTHING ??? I would consider filing a complaint with the department of health.
hi, i'm european, i don't have a good opinion of the uk health system, surely it's better than the usa but it's one of the worst on the eu continent. example: i went through a stage 4 cancer at 28 , which required 3 chemios and a marrow transplant, and many many different exams in the span of 2 years, the first hospital let me wait 1 month to perform the biopsy that would have said which cancer i had ( and i was stage 4 ). because they were following "protocol" .i went to another one where they rushed me in and within 1 week i had the biopsy done, other exams and the first chemio , which greatly improved my condition (initial remission= better mental too), then they cured me for 2 years ending up in a full remission. why am i explaining this ? because that "protocol" difference is a real thing even among countries, and IN THE UK i would have been denied the care or having to paid it by myself (200+k) because for your protocol i'd have deemed a lost case, with high chances of not making it despite the chemio/etc, essentially "not worth the investment". and that's why the uk cancer survival rate is the worst on the eu continent for almost every type of cancer (some articles even state is below usa and south korea). this exact thing happened to the father of a friend that was living in uk, he was 54, got diagnosed with a liver cancer, got redirected to palliative care, realized too late (wasn't much scholarized) what palliative means and when he left the uk and came back here to get actually cured it was already too late. think england can do much better.
@@FamiAoi seems like you should be carrying on luigi;s work.
I agree that many European healthcare systems are better than UK these days, but the basic argument remains - no one should be denied healthcare because they can’t afford it.
"I will never understand how we normalized health insurance companies acting as a barrier between doctors and patients for no other reason than extracting money. They literally don't even have a product."
Brooke Vittimberga
Just another way powerful (wealthy) people concocted to take more money from less powerful (wealthy) people. Some of these powerful (wealthy) individuals would do well to brush up on their late 18th century French history - just sayin.
Newsweek said United Healthcare just denied paying for their patient who is in the ICU, on a ventilator, and IN A COMA. The American healthcare system is the worst in the developed world.
@@ohthatpaul If something like this happened in our city and the patient’s family reported it to the media, the hospital and the insurance company would get in serious trouble. The media would chase the CEO for answers, and our government would step in to fix the issue.
In US, the government does nothing!
If something like this happened in our city and the patient’s family reported it to the media, the hospital and the insurance company would get in serious trouble. The media would chase the CEO for answers, and our government would step in to fix the issue.
In Us, the government does nothing!
And the most expensive
nhs kiddie fiddlers are the worst
@@veronicachan8663 they'll do plenty for you if you bribe them enough
That case with the liver transplant should be classified as murder.
DO NOT LET THIS TOPIC BURIED!!!!! Continue to explain to the American public about what happens.
MAHA!
Cough.. drones
Maybe MAGA needs to hear about this because GOP politicians will continue gaslighting and distracting their constituents while giving tax breaks to corporations.
I'm so sick of people calling this 'terrible' or 'tragic.' It's inevitable. The rich will only listen to one thing. They've made it clear they're never going to compromise.
Yeah it isn't "right" but if 99% of people hate you, someone's gonna die
Change never happens until a death occurs. Even something as simple as a traffic light or ‘Stop’ sign. People can write and call about an intersection being bad but nothing gets installed until someone dies. The CEO’s death was inevitable.
2 things can be true-it’s tragic, but is inevitable because people will always result to violence in hopes it will bring change. There are many people involved with how the healthcare system works. Getting shot-MURDERED is tragic. Children lost their parent. Of course there will be people that say, well by not providing life changing insurance for someone’s parent, they die. No matter, this is all a tragic situation.
@@wamyc you being mad at the broken system that actually begins with government doesn’t mean that gives you the right to murder people. We currently pay for “free” healthcare for illegals and welfare recipients sitting on their butt all day, I don’t like that and that isn’t fair to everyone else who works hard but it’s the governments responsibility to fix that. They won’t but you don’t see anyone murdering people in the government… you just vote and hope your vote gets the toxic people out. Your mentality of let’s execute people is toxic, you might want to get some help
Yeah. I don't see what's terrible here. Every extra amount of money that CEO got in increased profits came at the cost of denying medical care to his customers for coverage they paid for. There can be no doubt that his actions have lead to the deaths of far more people than whoever killed him.
We pay for Congress's Healthcare. And we pay our own. But Congress doesn't get denied care.
Congress has the ultimate Healthcare, including vision and dental at zero cost..
The "working class" pays for their insurance.
@@susanpillion3114 This is not true anymore. Obamacare required all of congress and their staff to acquire healthcare through the same ACA exchange as the public. Obama wanted lawmakers to understand what their constituents were dealing with.
When Reagan opened the doors to Healthcare for Profit in the 1980's, I was a new grad RN and was stupefied at the INEVITABLE DISASTER, ushered in.
Universal Healthcare is what we need. No insurance companies.
Israel has Both FREE Universal Healthcare and Free University/College Tuition. WE American Taxpayers Give Billions in OUR Tax Money Every Year, for Decades to Israel! WE Pay for Theirs, so they get it Free and we have to Pay Out of Pocket for our Own for both, and often go into Debt, or go Without Both Healthcare and College Tuition! Make That Make Sense! Good luck to us all IF Snake-Oil Salesman, Dr. Oz is confirmed! He is Heavily Invested in Healthcare Stocks and wants to change those on Medicare to the Highly Profitable to people like him and CEOs, “Advantage” Plans! Our Healthcare System will go from bad to even worse with people like Project 2025 Russel Vought, Dr. Oz, RFK jr., and Elon and Vivek etc., they will only make everything worse if they can get away with it! (all while enriching themselves and laughing all the way to the bank!) 🤬
There is no need for those insurance companies whatsoever. All they do is push papers around and buy another luxury home
I live in Canada and we have universal healthcare. It is not”free” it is paid for through taxes but I will willingly pay those taxes to have access to healthcare when I need it.
And just exactly how is the murder of one man an act of terrorism?
While allowing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of others is called good business acumen. The system is rigged, folks. Time to wake up from the American Dream, cause you have to be asleep to believe it.
Because de@d man was a member of the oligarchy.
The justice system is protecting the rich and powerful, hinting to the rest "don't you dare to hurt them or we will make you pay dearly"...
Because he killed billionaire?
Exact!
The average weekly salary of a U.S. worker is $1,139, while the CEO's hourly wage was $5,000-and yet, it’s still not enough.
Absolute disgusting to know that he's making that much cause he's letting ppl die rather than spend the necessary money the need and was paying for 🤬🤬🤮
AND they still committed insider trading defrauding investors for more money!!
Thank you for your framing of this serious topic. I hate how most other media only frames this as a horrific murder of a CEO and then just stop and if you try to say anything they just yell that you must be into murder. As if it can't be both terrible that it happened AND a completely obvious outcome from our broken healthcare system that we should talk about.
Can we talk about all the deaths resulting from denied health insurance claims.
Can we talk about wealth, inequality, and more importantly, wage inequality, all of the seniors on Social Security that do not make anywhere near $1000 per week, etc.
@@EnjoyCalculus Are you saying people with health insurance don't die?
@@DawnGreen-wn4hr Go get a high paying job. Who's stopping you?
Let's talk about ppl not taking care of themselves and not reading policies
@nataliewalton8590 You mean accountability for ones own behavior? Democrats have no idea what you mean. It's always SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.
As a US born citizen and dual citizen of Canada who has lived and worked in both health care systems, I can genuinely say that the US should just get rid of the middle man layer of health insurance companies, and instead adopt a single payer health care system that is accessible to all legal residents, with zero deductibles, zero co-pays. That is what Canada has and it works much better.
i believe that is what ACA was intended to be but to get republican votes...they made compromises. getting rid of single payer aspect was one of the many terrible compromises....
Thank you 🙏 We demand free health care.
@@huayang2467 well its not free u pay for it in your taxes
@laurapierce2822 The issue in the USA is that the politicians on the right call such a system "socialist" which immediately translates to "communism" in the minds of the uninformed and brainwashed voting right. They are unable to differentiate between a "central committee" and a governmental system of health insurance administration.
@@swilliams1759 The second most disgraceful thing about US "Healthcare" is the number of outright lies told to Americans to make them believe they are getting a good deal
Someone tell me a story that justifies the existence of Healthcare Insurance companies. Hospitals, doctors, nurses, facilities, and equipment are healthcare delivery. The insurance company does nothing in terms of healthcare services that helps anyone but their profit line. Denial of care is pure profit for the insurance company.
Thank you for continuing to cover this. Be better than health insurance companies and don't let this story die!
They’re ONLY covering it now because as a network they’re going down in simpering, corporate & DNC stooge flames.
Had to go to emergency 5 times in the last month. Each time, I thought, "so glad I do not live in the US."
5 visits? You would be homeless by now here.
Unfortunately many would rather croak before going to the emergency room.
The last time I had to go to the ER three times in a month I ended up with a 10k bill (I was 19...great start for a kid in college. I was also insured)
I haven't been to the ER since then (30 now) and last time I thought I had to go to the ER I was having an asthma attack and decided to wait it out. Luckily I lived! I hope I'm that lucky next time.
@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkk It’s sad that we live in a country where we are afraid of the emergency room
MSNBC, you should cover this topic constantly as it is one of the most important problems we are facing. There is serious injustice on a massive scale
Yep. And now there's a woman being charged with terrorist threats for complaining over the telephone about being denied coverage.
The problem is, MSNBC has a business model that requires them to not do exactly that.
they're owned by the oligarchs and they want us to shut up and let them keep mining our health for their stupid profit
Mobbing/Bullying at work too.
oligarchs want the peasants to not hear of this story and forget about it. We should keep reminding each other and never let this story end forever!!!
As a Canadian, I truly don’t understand how America- supposedly the greatest country- hasn’t figured this out yet. Medical care for all isn’t a new or groundbreaking concept. Yes we pay a lot in taxes, but the US has a disgustingly large budget for military. If they wanted to pay for medical care & education, they could…
They are too greedy to want to help the common man the way most countries in the world do with the health care they deliver.
Healthcare Corporations are in bed with Congress, BOTH parties. Big Pharma bribes Congress with donations and "perks". Congress keeps their jobs and benefits. And round and round it goes......lots of money and power. They could care less.
The US is too concerned with supporting the murderous Zionists to care about Americans ' needs. Witness Congress underwriting military benefits for IDF vets and serving members identical to those for US service members !
it's not that good here either. had to deal with my car insurance recently and it was a nightmare just even getting in contact with a real person. called 4-5x a day for a few days, got no one. had to file several complaints before someone arranged to even a phone call, and then was told i get nothing. it's the same everywhere, being in canada doesn't mean anything
We have figured it out, genius. We're stuck in a system we can't change. Does that clear things up for you? Okay, get back to shoveling snow with the other 8 people up there.
Saint Luigi, Patron Saint of Healthcare Reform, AkA Universal Healthcare for ALL us poverty stricken AMERICANS!!!!
Why don’t we see more people in favor of universal healthcare ❤? This will solve many of our issues!
Why aren’t we the people in favor of universal healthcare? What are you afraid of? Corporations receive our tax dollars to make profits! They give themselves raises bc of our tax dollars 💵! Why isn’t it appealing for us to benefit from universal healthcare? Is there something I’m missing here? Please explain?
@@alvinsmith3875 One word answers all: GREED!
@@alvinsmith3875 Massive amounts of people ARE in favor of universal healthcare, genius. We can't make it happen because of the entrenched system of bribes and corporate/political greed. What, are you 12 or something? Pay attention and maybe you won't seem so stupid.
If Mr. Mangione was an insured of United Healthcare, and it was denying him treatment, then he should be able to plead self-defense.
The guardian has an interesting article on the 'insanity'-defense, arguing that it should also cover the 'my sense of right and wrong was broken and I suddenly snapped' and even the 'my sense of right and wrong was eroded over time so often that I 'snapped' slowly over time'.If you think about it, that last one is what happened regardless of whether Luigi was insured with UHC; in Luigi's view, the healthcare system did ethical wrongs that were deemed ok by society for soo long that it made him let go of 'don't murder ever' and eventually conclude that this was a morally good act.
In a sense, the entire US seems to have that problem, albeit to a small degree. And that means that a defense like this will force the US society to process it as well.
He wasn't but his Mother was. Remember when there was that media blast trumpeting "Luigi was not a customer of UnitedHealthcare" ? All of those conveniently neglected that he watched his Mother struggle with UnitedHealthcare for years.
@@Grandtheatrix afaik that mother-issue is from a fake manifesto. So this is false.
Time to fight for non-profit healthcare for all.
Many healthcare providers are nonprofits. Unfortunately it doesn’t mean it’s ethical or functional.
I recommend the book “An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back”.
Source: worked in healthcare technology for years.
So you expect people to work for free? Good luck!! 🤣
@@JoeyJoJoJr0It's called NON-PROFIT
@@JoeyJoJoJr0 Why can CEOs of the healthcare companies get tens of millions in annual salary+ bonuses! This is ridiculous. An annual salary of $200,000 is enough
US Healthcare and Prisons should never be for profit
8:14 This was me in the 1990s when I was in my 20s. My Stanford University neurologists ordered a diagnostic blood test and Blue Cross / Blue Shield denied it as unnecessary. The $3,000 ($5,500 in today's money) I owed for the test scared me so much, I didn't see another doctor for a decade+. My symptoms progressed into fully being mobility disabled. I didn't have a support system and didn't know about appealing the denial. EDIT: Thank you to LUIGI for bringing healthcare to light.
I agree. I was injured in the Army, several Arny surgeries, nerve damage, spine damage. After discharge my Arny injuries were preconditions in the 1990s. I had to fight with the VA for 24 years for full medical coverage. I still can't get any private insurance.
Would the blood test have improved your outcome?
That is so sad and ridiculous. As well as unethical. Sorry that happened to you. May you continue to be blessed. Thanks for sharing your story.
@@sie4431why do you think his doctor ordered the test?
@SaarinkuCastilho I know why but that doesn't answer the question
Talk about the woman UHC denied, but she's on a ventilator in the ICU in a coma and got denied for coverage because coverage isn't considered necessary. We are all one pencil pusher away from being murdered by healthcare we've spent decades paying.
Just because you murdered someone with a pencil doesn't mean you are not a murderer
Not a pencil, not even a person maybe, but an AI bot! It's beyond heartless.
In their report, it seems that Uniteddeathcare has place the blame on AI. AI become the scapegoat for their broken system.
@@lelouchlamperouge8560 Then they should get rid of AI, oh wait but then they would have to on the blame themselves....
Free Luigi
...with every six pack!
What’s life like in the Brooklyn jail where Mangione awaits trial? Really bad, experts say.
I like the way you think!
@@roejogan7770 Whats life like suffering crippling pain despite spending a thousand dollars a week on health care insurance?
I’m going through this with my 84 year old mother. The hospital wants her to come home on hospice and I have no help but me at home and no money to pay for help.
I’m my mother’s caregiver and we are on a budget.
A company, VITAS, targeted my mother for her Medicare.
I told them she doesn’t need hospice because I’m her healthcare advocate and live with her 24/7 foremost, she is not dying.
They assured me they were only giving her palliative care.
After her other Dr.’s bills were not being processed properly and the bills mounting I realized they were holding her Medicare hostage.
I asked them to write down what they provided for my mother for 5+ months but they refused.
We contacted Medicare to discover they were billing over $5000/month for their services!!!
They came to the house 1x per week for 15 minutes and gave her generic medication.
Please beware of any “hospice service” that comes knocking on your door.
After we ceased their services they sent Adult Protective Services to check on my mother!?!?
The Representative quickly understood that they were trying to get away with fraud.
When I left to pick up the paperwork at their office, they sent two administrative women to our home to get my mother alone and tried to get her to sign off their services as hospice. My mother said “No thank you. I’m not signing anything”.
They’re in serious trouble for committing Medicare fraud, *again* and their desperate attempts to show my mother as weak and feeble has fallen flat.
My mother still drives her car to her Dr’s appointments for goodness sakes!
How comes that health insurance companies are allowed to override the Hippocratic Oath or force physicians and nurses to violate it?
"Do no harm"!!
Once a doctor at Jakson memorial hospital in Miami where I was working as a benevol told me when I ask him the question of the hyppocrat oath because he was refusing to treat a patient for not having insurance that in the US it doesn't apply! Originally from France I was totally shocked by his answer. In France a doctor refusing to treat someone in dire straight would be prosecuted for non assistance to person in danger!
Excellent question.
People get murdered everyday but we're all supposed to stop and pay attention to one rich guy who bought it?
Of course. This is the narrative they need to perpetuate: That you owe sympathy to your abusers. That we should all grieve for the sack of crap whose entire business was to sell people promises of health care when they needed it, and then break those promises to save on costs.
Dont care about the class traitor thompson. Pay attention to the protests surrounding the suspect. Healthcare reform is the real topic.
Luigi stans are making him a hero. Please stop lying
yeah even mass shootings don't get this much coverage
Luigi for secretary of Health and Human Services!
You are whats wrong with this country
Right
@@liveformybabies1190what's wrong with our country. Is you don't even know why my Last name is the name of 44 cities and counties . And Gilbert statue gaurds the Whitehouse as AN IMMIGRANT GRANTED HONORARY CITIZENSHIP!
@@liveformybabies1190 You are but what am I? Grow up MAGAt.
@@liveformybabies1190no u
Most times when you really need health care, it's denied because they say you have "preexisting conditions" SMH
Obamacare prohibits that. I hope the companies didn't find a way around that.
Patients should NOT be fighting denials!! They should only try to fight the disease!! Healthcare insurance was supposed to monitor the quality of care provided by the doctors and soon the greed took over!!
Thank you for taking seriously this issue. People remember Luigi and know who is right!
Thank you for talking about this. It's not a civilized society if for profit companies are allowed to do what ever they want, deny paying out valid claims in order to increase profits to outrageous levels and give massive bonuses to CEOs who knowingly take steps to deny people the insurance they paid for.
Universal Healthcare Now !!!
The wealthcare CEOs will never allow that.
The problem is, universal healthcare has been a failure around the world. This is why foreign nationals come to the United States to get there necessary surgeries. Otherwise, they would have to wait in their home countries until they are dead.
who's going to pay for it ?
@@t.r.campbell6585 Well said.
@@MRick-cd1kr Saying M4A will be cheaper than the current system is like saying the border wall will be built and Mexico will pay for it.
The US “healthcare system” isn’t broken: It’s working exactly as it’s intended to work. It’s not there to provide health care treatments for its citizens; it’s designed to separate you from ALL of your wealth and increase “shareholder value.”
In this country you work all your life in order to surrender all your assets in the end to the doctors, hospitals, medical vulture system.
What industry in this country is any different? Hope they don't figure out how to bottle air!
TRUE
@@sylviagoodman6008 The way Nestle believes water shouldn't be a human right! On this green Earth we were born into that naturally has it fall?! Unbelievable.
THANK YOU for actual REPORTING. This is what integrity looks like.
not really, they're reporting on this because they HAVE to. It's a major story and the general public won't tolerate the propaganda they tried to serve up in the beginning. Also, their ratings are historically low and they're losing tons of money. They're only reporting on this in a somewhat honest way because they absolutely HAVE to and they have no other choice if they want to stay in business.
HEALTH OVER WEALTH
Please donate to Luigi fundraising. I did twice and I am no even american. That is the best way to support.
Well, no, it's not the best way to "support". Luigi comes from a wealthy family that has its own resources, and his own attorney has said he's not comfortable with accepting donations from other people.
A better way to help with this issue is for people to contact their congressperson and senators and tell them to support a not-for-profit and truly universal healthcare system like Medicare For All.
Its very simple. You can find out his register number and call moneygram and say you want to send money to an inmate Luigi mangione and then all you need to know is his register number which can easily be found online but I can't post here but begins with a 5 and u can send money to him directly and it will go directly to his books at the detention center. It's extremely easy to do, over the phone or online. I also have done this
@@Milesco
Leave people alone. Those who support Luigi are very likely to support healthcare reform. If they wanna donate to Luigi- That is fine too
@@veranochick As you should have been able to glean from my comment, I also support healthcare reform. But contributing to Luigi's legal defense won't help that. But contacting your elected officials might.
plus advocating for medicare for all and donating to people that can't pay for their medical expenses
It doesn't have to be life-threatening! I lost my entire retirement last year due to injuries that kept me from working.
Yes. There are more people who become disabled or live with treatable pain because the appropriate treatment is denied.
This is why we need universal health care just like every other developed nation. We need to take the profit motive away so we can focus on health.
I'm not holding my breath. There's too much money at stake and those who have a lot of it control our government. They've made sure it has been set up that way.
Agreed
22 billion in profits is absolutely insane
Hopefully Luigi walks away because no Jury will find him guilty.
When you pray for rain you gotta deal with the mud too
Luigi was with me that day, having a few pints in the Red Lion.
@@leonski900 Are you willing to perjure yourself for him?
Fun fact: there is a principle in American common law called jury nullification. Juries have to be independent and cannot be forced to rule a certain way, and that includes that they cannot be forced to rule in accordance with the evidence. Juries in this country are actually allowed to find a defendant not guilty because they don’t think the individual should be punished for what they did.
"They" won't let that happen. The jury will almost definitely be stacked in favor of the Feds.
Right to bear arms. No right to healthcare. Repeat with me.
@@bigsnoopk SEEMS TO ME GUNS ARE YOUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
@@bigsnoopk so if someone shoots you then you can not get medical attentio?🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Free Luigi!!!!!
I like the way you think! Free Luigi!
I hope the jury declares him innocent via jury nullification
i worked for insurance companies and the policy was always profit first.
Because they're companies. That is the logic of a commercial company.
@@EdwardLindonthat’s the problem. It shouldn’t be for profit period.
I was denied access to my on line account with Humana. I wanted to use my OTC money for health care items. Talked to severreal employess who could hardly speak English. I finally got a supervisor who spoke English and she said, my account had been blocked but would not tell me why. I lots all myotc needs. I am sure this supervisor rec. a nice bonus for this and she probably had denied many more people.
@Mindfulbisavibe
Healthcare wouldn't be possible if companies couldn't profit off of people being sick. Don't cha know?
Regards from a Tom :)
@@tomdavies6443wrong. There are plenty of not for profit industries that are successful and employ lots of people and serve the people well as is their mandate. Get an education and some humanity FFS.
Free Luigi.And we need to SOMEHOW change the laws that govern this society.This guy was willing to sacrifice his freedom to draw attention to the problem.
I like the way you think!
@Free Luigi!
For profit healthcare is not healthcare.
Can we start a petition to free Luigi
We need universal health care. It can be paid for with our taxes.
In Norway the income tax is 22%. And that gives us practically free health care and education. Americans are being ripped off.
if the billionaires would pay their fair share, we'd all be insured. easily.
Question: what do you call a billionaire who pays his fair share in taxes?
Answer: a billionaire
Mexico nationalized their oil companies all that you spend on gasoline there the profits go directly to pay for everyone's healthcare, even visitors to the country
In Sweden (and several other nations) we have roughly the same taxes as Norway and it pays for healthcare. The US should model its system after the European countries that work.
Thank you for keeping this conversation alive.
I pray Luigi is found not guilty on all counts.
Free Luigi!!!
We need to keep focus on the CORE ISSUE. For-profit health insurance is based on a fundamental conflict of interest. The more healthcare that is denied, the more profit these companies make. Do not let yourself be fooled by all the noise and distraction, THIS IS THE ONLY ISSUE WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING regarding this event. $450 BILLION dollars PER YEAR. ~68,000 deaths attributable to delayed, withheld, and lacking care PER YEAR. DO NOT LET ANY CORPORATE LOBBYIST, CORPORATE NEWS MEDIA, OR POLITICIAN DISTRACT FROM THIS CORE ISSUE. DO NOT LET ANYONE STEER THE CONVERSATION AWAY FROM THIS.
Right on!!
A serial killer got killed, what "terrible"? Smh.
Imagine you had a terrible accident and needed an operation(s) to enable you to walk again. But then the insurance company denies your claim and condemns you to life in a wheelchair. That is horrible!! Who can afford to fight with insurance companies in court to make the insurance company pay for those operations? A situation like this can lead you to do awful things.
There is another story where an older man had severe back problems that could likely be fixed with surgery, but his insurance provider denied surgery was medically necessary, dooming him to a life addicted to pain killers and unable to enjoy pretty much anything in life. There are thousands more stories like this, and people need to keep speaking up about them.
Can some one explain how denying care to a person who paid for health insurance is not murder, but shooting some one is?
one is done by a big money business so gets a pass. another is often done by the poor or at least the non-wealthy so they have to obey the law which was written for them. while big money gets to write the laws for themselves.
it's only not murder in the eyes of the powerful.. to the rest of us, it's murder.
They’re actually both murder. One is with intent and the other is as a repercussion of financial intent I’d surmise. One doesn’t make the other one right. And it’s not justice: it’s revenge. Apparently that’s what’s en vogue these days based on the comments. And people also like the idea of a murderer who is clearly having mental health issues to run free again. And be a hero. People are into murder as a solution these days. Look at all the deathrow backlash. People like it. Revenge. Not rehabilitation. What a world! 😂 But it does seem his mentally-unstable actions may benefit others. And hopefully he gets treatment. His family has been worried about him for months. He’s not a terrorist. Still doesn’t make it right to murder someone. Morality definitely isn’t what it used to be. Just my opinion. We all get to have one. 😊
@@lamoinette23 It was a rhetorical question, hawkeye.
@@aumakua1486 Hawkeye is my spirit animal
I’m glad this guy is having this conversation and I think the host stated what a lot of Americans feels. The inequality and injustice.
Him being charged with murder is completely fine because it’s true. Being charged with terrorism is absolutely diabolical.
It's so refreshing and such a relief to hear you both speak honestly about what is going on in health care/health insurance. The profit driven insurance companies are the driver of health care in our country. It's sickening, literally.
Don't get fooled. These clowns are with the insurance companies too. It's just a little tactic to pacify the population and let things die down. But the insurance companies will strike back with higher premiums when the coast is clear.
why is it "terrorism". this word should be saveed for appropriate crimes. otherwise it loses its meaning and impact.
Not terrorism!
They use the word terrorism to impress the executives. It is definitely not terrorism.
A doctor had to plea with an insurance company to get approved for medical care for a coma patient
Normal
I saw that. That was United Healthcare.
The truth is our government let those insurance companies to rule the system, the doctors , Labs companies have to join them together, never have cost transparency, the bills shows up in your mailbox, you have expected to pay!
If a doctor has to ask for approval that insurance shouldn't be in business.
The tragedy is the politicians and governing persons took company donations or monies and side with the insurance
In my country we call that corruption.
The greed of corporate America at its pinacle.
Denying healthcare is violence. Luigi was defending himself.
Or this - the three words that he used on the bullet casings are "terrorism" but when those words are used by the health insurance companies dealing with your "rightful" coverage it's just a matter of "doing business"???????
If that doesn't take the cake I don't know what does. 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Lol
You clearly have no idea what self-defense is. The CEO was not threatening Mangione.
What’s life like in the Brooklyn jail where Mangione awaits trial? Really bad, experts say.😂
The CEO was working on new ways to deny coverage to sick and dying people and he should have been allowed to continue so the investors could make more money. It’s great that everyone has GOT to take a side. Backing a corrupt CEO shows where a person’s heart is at.
The clue is in the description.
USA - Health Care Industry.
Western Europe - Health Care System.
Brilliant Point!
They call their patients "customers".
Exactly.
Excellent observation
Even getting insurance to pay for damage to your roof that their supposed to cover is extremely difficult.
To quote middle management at the Healthcare Company I work for, "This is a for-profit company, our most Valuable product is our stock, there will always be more patients."
wow...unbelievable
I wish you were willing to share names...
@@aulii11you could just look at the SP500. My guess is that it’s UHC.
In 1983 I worked in the medical field, specifically in Cardiology as an echocardiography technician. I remember when the first HMO insurance plans explanation of benefits started coming into the billing office and denying coverage for diagnostic testing that was ordered by the attending physician, I said this should be illegal. Insurance companies should not be able to control what they cover, they rule for their own profit, denying patients access to the gold standard of care set by the American Medical Association.
Terrible unaliving of a CEO? Where were you when the health insurance industry refused to do what they were paid for, which is provid payment for health care!
The underlying point about this whole issue is that this "industry" doesn't need to exist.
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Exactly!! 💪✊️🤜😡 Fight for universal healthcare!
VERY TRUE
One Million seconds is 11 days. One Billion seconds is about 33 years. One TRILLION seconds is over 300 centuries. Most people cannot conceive of how much a Trillion is.
Watch the Earth burn as 4 guys try to be the first, on the next season of "Why Weren't We Smart Enough To Not Vote For Billionaire Vultures?"
A lot
Exactly
Quintillion, quadrillion, sextillion, septillion, somewhere in there is a google…
@@indigomahira it's all imaginary wealth anyway. No gold behind it. Monopoly money literally
I watched this video twice just to push it further. That's how badly I want change.
Prosecutors are out of control when they try to come up with many charges. I don't see "terrorism" here.
Multiple charges are brought by prosecutors to guareantee a finding of guilty on at least something. That's true even though a prosecutor will use some fancy language to claim otherwise. In other words it's politics.
What's sad is poor people like us do not have the money to fight big corporations 😢
They make it impossible to even take them to court. To even hold them accountable. Yet, they control media, government, land, banks and more.
You have a vote. For some reason, most of you just voted for a billionaire.
@@EdwardLindon To be more exact, _most of them didn't vote at all._ Three hundred million people in the US, and Donny Dump won the popular vote with 78 mil. Apathy is a bigger part of why he "won" than anything, though the number of misguided right-wing voters in the poorest parts of the country should be cause for alarm as well.
People say "it's not left vs. right any more, it's now bottom vs. top", unironically, not realizing THAT WAS LvR, all along.
@@EdwardLindon Both parties are like two cheeks of the same rump.
I am not French but their protests seem to work.
Too many people don't think things like what happened to that 17 year old could happen to them or to someone they love, until it does. And then it's too late because insurance companies have so much power
The sad part is that it only matters when it happens to them! Whatever happened to empathy?
Then there is the dental insurance scam. Why is there separation and so poor a coverage when clearly teeth are body
Same with eyesight and eye exams.
They even have this moronic distinction in Sweden; most of our health care is heavily state-subsidized or something to that effect, so if one of us needs really expensive surgery or medicine to survive a condition, we just sort of get it, and we pay a relatively reasonable "maximum cost" or something like that rather than however much they would charge in the US or similar.
And yet we still have no such coverage for dentistry (at least, not any more).
Because dentists are thieves?
I had my dental insurance cancelled for no reason, without telling me. and they continued to send me bills that I paid for two months after Which is INTERSTATE MAIL FRAUD. no one took my case.
@@seanshea8596It's impossible for the poor to get legal representation. Class action suits are made to order for the poor.
As a provider I have watched the deterioration of medical care. It has grown morally corrupt. I have spoken up to insurers who are aggressive in holding their power over providers and their patients. Politicians have enabled power to insurers and large hospitals and I see no intent to change. It is absolutely crazy and hopeless without an immediate reversal.
Sadly It isn't likely to change under the Trump oligarchy.
@@jacquelinebrown5900TRUMP is good at finding solutions. I'll bet he/RFK is working on it now.
As a provider, blood is on your hands. Your complicity violates the hippocratic oath. Do you really think the american people will make a distinction between providers and the insurance execs they are clearly in bed with. I'd be real nervous if I were you.
Denying Health care to people who subsequently, unnecessarily die from that, is murder. Some might see this as a war. I understand that.
Yes. Well, said. A WAR.
If corporations are people the ceo is responsible for refusing care and charged with manslaughter or murder.
Our government should not be contracting Medicaid and Medicare healthcare with for profit healthcare insurance companies anymore.
Thank. Bush Jr for that! Businesses have a RIGHT to make money!