S3#3. New Portofino 47 Review - might this Aluminium catamaran be our Perfect boat!
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- @Barefoot Doctors Sailing and Travel - Come Barefoot with us as we search for the PERFECT PERFORMANCE CATAMARAN for us as we upgrade from our Leopard 45 and 50!
In this episode we travel to Dubai to see the Portofino shipyard and their aluminium 47 foot yacht under construction. We have to find out what this new brand is going to build, their features and their experience.
Find out the exciting innovative features that Portofino is offering with transom doors, central engines with shafts, front trampoline ladder to the the water and many more. BUT will the boat be able to be fitted with shallow draft, lifting keeps and rudders and be able to be beached? Can they be modified to suit our needs and how will they perform.
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Gotta say, this is not a brand I was aware of but some of these features are simply outstanding, love the ingenuity. Also impressed by Captain Rognoni's respect for electrolysis!
Thanks for the nice comments, L!
Searching for the perfect yacht is difficult. The idea of Aluminum is exciting. Thanks for posting this video. I’d love to see if they will do a explorer vessel.
The beauty with as aluminium is that each boat can have different levels of exploration standards. So yes Portofino are aiming at the exploration market while we are aiming at higher performance...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Congrats 🍾. May you get everything you wish and more.
I built and repaired boats for many years. They are really on top of the building process.
From an engineering pespective, I enjoyed all of the reasonings for each material used such as fiberglass, carbonfiber, aluminium and the pros and cons of each very informative.
Thank you very much, Miguel! Nice to hear there is value in what we are sharing.
Yeah this guy has a good grasp of material science here.
This catamaran is the most incredible one I have seen. Very exciting!
Thanks A, yes we are amazed by the options you get with it too!!! Glad to have you along with us.
What an amazing catamaran, and a very experienced builder. There are so many great features on this cat. I'm glad you're looking at an aluminium boat, they are so much more safer and it gives you more cruising grounds to choose from. It will be great fun to go along the journey with you both and watch the new build.
I patreon Gone with the Wynns, Sailing Ruby Rose and RAN Sailing, they are all building new boats and it's great fun to be part of their journey in a small way.
I really wish you both all the best with your new boat, I send you both lots of love and peace.
Thanks very much Spacewalker! Glad to have you along and we hope you enjoy the journey!
Flybridge no ! When you are at the wheel your isolated from the people's on the boat and also impact on the height of the boom, like the Bali, 22 feet from the water! No sense!
But if your girlfriend talk too much maybe flybridge will bring you some quiet moments! LOL ,can't wait too see the next episode! Great video
Thanks Marc!
It’s beautiful and seems to check all the boxes when you factor in that they are willing to customize it to your specs. I think you found the right boat and builder. Can’t wait to see your next video on this. Very happy for you.
Thanks for your support Barry and yes interesting journey and happy to have you along!
Oh my goodness! This Catamaran is amazing! It is definitely a custom cat and that gives you the advantage of adding the few things that it doesn’t check off on your list. I truly love the ladder on the bow for entering and exiting the water. The interior layout was so well thought out. I MUST give this cat a thumbs up 👍 I know you both will do your due diligence and research, but I gotta say she’s a beauty!
Thanks Mango!!! Yes lots of great features and able to be adjusted to suit us hopefully!
Amazing boat! I would not hesitate!
Thanks!
This is the first really new layout I’ve seen in a mid sized cat in ages. The dive room and walk through bathroom is such a cool idea. I kinda like the idea of centralized engine rooms. Probably helps for weight distribution and shaft drives are so much simpler.
Hi Adam, thanks for the comment and you are exactly right in all those statements! We felt exactly the same...
It is important to note that "Raffaelel" has been a sailor and is noted in his concept/s. I like the sail drive idea etc and I can not wait for the next episode. I thought that you guys was never going to get to Garcia and to Dubai. Swinging keels! Can not wait.
Hi J,
thanks for watching and for the comment! Yes Raffalele's depth of knowledge comes across in the chats and in person he goes into incredible details about everything technical on boats.... yes, swinging keels / centreboards such a great way to do it - more of that in the next episode.
This gentleman has all of his I's dotted, and all of his T's crossed, I'm an engineer also and I know about having isolated and insulated grounding bars/plates to protect your equipment... I'm SOLD if the Sea Trails go well. Could be my 1st catamaran. Well done, PORTOFINO. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Good to hear! We have to wait some times to get the sea trials and we will get the calculated polars soon...
Oh, Now I like this one!! I love the dark trim, such an amazing contrast to the norms. What a nice guy, I really enjoyed listening to him. ❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have watched hundreds of boat reviews. Watching this I was so excited for you. What a beautiful layout of that particular design. LOVE it. Hope you get one of these. It will be interesting to watch the build!!!
Thanks Heather for your support and comments! We’re very much looking forward to more exciting things ahead!!! Glad to have you with us.
Do Not forget to consider forward cockpit for you new design , safety/singlehanding, comfort offshore, etc concept utilized in existiong chris white designs, Windelo, gunboats ......
Yes indeed Lincoln, we will! Thanks!
the boat has good "bones" but if you want performance, you have to ditch the Fly-Bridge, bring the boom down (which will add much needed sail area) add daggerboards, sail the world! You two can do it! Go, go, go!
Exactly right! And hopefully we can do it cause it is”the dream”!
So basically turn Portofino 47 into a Mumby 48.
@@jackchen5290 Hi Jack, The Mumby 48 design is quite an old style of boat - very much like Alba Dash that I built 20 years ago. The Portofino has very different lines and the Mumby hull has now been bought by Odisea to redesign the above waterline to modernise the appearance with Peter from Sailing into Freedom. The other significant difference is our P52 has rotating centreboard that will not get damaged if we hit the bottom but centreboards are going to either break or break the hull if you hit the bottom.
Well this has certainly sparked some enthusiasm amongst us here - can't wait to see what unfolds. She's a beautiful cat.
That’s great Bobby! Nice to have that effect on folk!!!
How exciting! Looks like you have found a boat builder that can tic of all of the boxes on your list! Cheers good Doctors!
Fingers crossed Dan!
His knowledge experience inspires confidence and the looks of and innovations on the boat are impressive. Thank you for sharing .
Thanks Paul for watching and the comments . Yes his knowledge on boating, systems and engineering are amazing!!!
Sweet boat, but not a serious offshore cruiser. Any boat with access to the boom and main being 15' off the water is a severe safety hazard. If you get this, please film a video of flaking the main or clearing a jam standing on top of that wedding cake in 3-meter seas and 30 knots of wind. Now island hopping in the Med on the other hand...it's perfect!
HI Kirk, thanks for the comment. This boat, as I have now said many times had the features put into it by the owner, so it's their choice, and ironically they will be sailing it mainly in the Med (as you have said). However in reality there are many boats of this size and smaller with flybridges that push the boom up high and yes, the people that own them know how to put in the reefs and pack the boom bag. The boom has the be stabilised from the start and that then makes it as safe as being on the cockpit roof like all other boats and if you fall from either the first or the second floor up, you are potentially in big &%$#!
Keep watching the next few videos where we start to go through what we want to do going forwards if we get a Portofino...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 yes, totally understand all boats are a series of compromises, owners just need to decide which aspects are critical and which aren’t. There are no bad boat designs, there are only bad decisions made by their captain to put a boat in a situation that it wasn’t built for. Flybridges are fantastic, but not a compromise I personally would choose for a blue water boat, but you are correct that there are plenty of them out there having the time of their lives sailing the world successfully!
I’ll be following this Cat very closely indeed. There are too many great features to list here. The external access to a “dive room” is brilliant! I look forward to your further analysis of this vessel. I really like the practical approach you have to ALL the different aspects of what constitutes the “perfect” vessel, please keep it up. 👍😎
Thanks C, I hope we continue to provide interesting videos for you as we share the journey. It is very interesting for us because at the start, we accepted that we could not have what we wanted, then after a while we started to think, no that is not right - we should be able to create exactly what we want even if it not what everyone else wants... I am sure many people when given some of these options will also be happy to have those extra benefits as well!
Thx for producing and sharing this video. Informative and exciting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
can't wait for the next episode
Glad you liked it!!!
Absolutely awesome...we are in contact with Raffael and also very interested in the 52....thank you guys so much for doing this video.....can't wait to see renderings of the interior of the 52.....
Glad to hear that you finally made contact CB and yes, the plans are looking really exciting and with the newly designed hull shape, we are exited with the prospective performance. Will share them on the channel when back...
Fascinating interview!! I’m glad you are exploring all options and this sounds like an excellent one!! Good luck with everything and thank you for sharing!
Thanks so much!
devlliers marine design from new zzealand has designed a 52 ft out of aluminum and you can buy the design ...he also has a 78 ft performance alum on his site
.with daggerboards....the designs can be modified i guess to incorporate your features ...this looks like a great yard to build
Yes I have seen their designs recently! It is a big establishedyard Thanks Buster. We are hoping to do a review when their smaller versions come out. No lifting keels though...
If mods can be made, form & function could come together beautifully on this boat!!
Exactly what we think!
I can not imagine how you felt when you lost your Cat to fire. It hurts my heart to imagine it. I hope your new boat is everything you want and more. Looking at life from the end zone where I am I advise you to go after that dream with all you have. You won’t regret it.😅
Thanks very much for your kind and wise words, Judy!
I’m so excited for the both of you! What a beautiful boatt! ❤
Thank you so much, Jody, we think so too!
Very, very nice design. Very elegant and practical. Two concerns. First, with the hull transom doors, what is being done to protect against a following wave? Watertight doors? Are the doors swinging out so that when closed, any outside wave pressure is spread around the door frame and not just absorbed by the latch/hinges? Second, how is the deck around the foresails if you have a ladder to the beach? Working the base of the foresails can be treacherous enough, holes or obstructions could make it worst.
Galley futureproofing: Electric cooktop, oven, and grill would eliminate the need for gas on the boat. The inherent dangers and the need for refills would be eliminated. An induction cooktop and an oven with air fryer capability would reduce electrical demands and passive heat in the salon. Besides opening an entire range of cooking recipes to the chef (However, wok would not work). A folding outdoor grill enclosure capable of 550°F with a simple pizza steel would produce excellent pizzas :)
Watermarking futureproofing: There is a revolution in watermarking worth investigating. Instead of high-pressure desalination with complex systems, filtering water from the air with fans could be promising. Most of these companies benchmark arid environments for water production. The marine environment is considerably moister. Units for RV roofs are in production. Noise may be a factor (fans).
I would consider replacing the trampolines with a thin solid deck. Old trampolines can be dangerous requiring maintenance. It "could" be slightly heavier but that weight would balance a normally aft heavy catamaran even with engines midship ("Could" because a solid deck is geometrically, inherently stiffer thus reducing forward hull stiffing requirements due to the trampoline holes). A solid foredeck is more useful: reducing spray, catching rainwater, and providing living deck space.
Multiple watertight compartments can be good and can be bad. A single-hull bilge area can distribute the weight of water along its entire length. The option to allow water to flow between bilge compartments with large valves could help level a boat in trouble and add additional pump capacity.
Fewer hull ceiling hatches results in fewer weatherdeck hazards and drips. Air circulation is better achieved with well-placed intake and exhaust ports (inboard hull) and small quiet computer-like low voltage fans. Most of the time little fans pointed at you are not nearly as effective as small fans exchanging the compartment's air volume with outside air. The difference is amazing!
Again. The reserve buoyancy above the hard chine to dampen the forward hulls from dipping (bobby) into the waves. Narrow/long wet surfaces are great but once the waves hit, above the waterline matters. The additional volume would allow a seat/pullout twin berth(s) in each large stateroom and a nice seat to put on foulies, or read a book looking out the large portlights.
Thanks for the long comment again BC, many points...
1. Yes the transom door opens outwards so any wave closes it more tightly and it won't leak. Also it is into the watertight diving room and master head / shower in case of any leakage.
2. The drop down ladder rotates it steps so there are no holes to fall through when up.
3. Yes we are going all electric and no gas...
4. We have time to watch for new Waermakers developments so will wait till the last minute.
5. Solid tramps - disagree Im afraid. Waves need to break through the tramp both on the way up and the way down so the drainage is fast and the forces are less.
6/7 Watertight compartments and hatches and fans - natural circulation is best and does not need power. Watertight voids will keep you floating when the holes are too great for your bilge pumps to cope with
8. By "reserve buoyancy" I presume you are talking about the shoulder above the waterline and yes you are right - this is critical for safe sailing and dramatically im[proves internal volume for livability. Agreed!
Interesting stuff - thanks!
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3. Induction and air fryers take efficiency to the next level. You will save a lot of power.
5. Great food for thought.
6. Having valves still preserves the Integrity of the original watertight compartments (3 Port & 5 Starboard) but also gives the captain options when he/she needs them. Bilge pump failure for example. A waterproof dogged door between the Diving/Stowage compartment and starboard stateroom would allow bringing toys (SUP, Bikes) in the spare stateroom for occasional stowage. Guests in the starboard stateroom could experience a variation of the walk to the sugar scoop. BTW Captian Raffaele Rognoni this is genius.
7. The efficacy of weatherdeck hatches vs. inside hull ports seems close. I do not know for sure. Both can have air scoops. The inside hull port is protected from rain and its scoop could have "dorade" like water protection. May I suggest an experiment? Get two small low-power fans like handheld personal use fans ("D" batteries). Take one fan and temporarily (ducktape :)) mount it in the forward hatch blowing in, and take the second fan and mount it in the aft hatch blowing out. It is shocking how effective this method is. It is so effective you might have to turn it off in the middle of the night because it will be too cold. It does not seem like a big deal but it really is. It is like what in the States we call a whole house fan.
Shallow draft thoughts:
Swinging centerboards require much more maintenance and are not as stiff as daggerboards under leeway pressure. They develop play over time. The kickup feature is important. I get it.
Daggerboards can have a shear pin pivot. Rare but possible. I think future daggerboards will come in pairs, not just one in each hull but two in each hull back to back. Each side of the daggerboard pair will share a flat surface where they touch but the outer surface will be curved starting at the leading edge like a wing. Think of two wings together sharing the normal wing bottom surfaces but in a vertical orientation. The weather daggerboard in each hull would be deployed providing Bernoulli's lift allowing much higher pointing. You want a fast boat right. The leeward board could be dropped at the start of a tack helping to draw the cat through the wind.
No need to reply. I know you have literally thousands watching and are very busy. I just want to help.
Great stuff, thanks
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Just a thought. A passive bilge keel seems much easier to tack onto an aluminum hull. It would help with the rolling that shallow draft catamarans can suffer.
Never thought about this before. The often squared sugar scoops squander the compression pressure on the hull to propel the boat forward. See YT: Hydrodynamics and Hull Design: Linking Hull Shape to Powering 6:32
Really weird thought. Aircraft wings sometimes have little vortex generators. I wonder if sails and hulls would someday have this counterintuitive detail.
You two deserve this, I am thrilled along with you.
Thanks very much Scarlett and it 's great to have you along with us!
Very excited to see what the near future holds for you both. Best wishes!
Thank you so much! Nice to have you along!
I like it, I like it a lot LOL Liked n shared
Thanks again!
Hi, great video 👍! really good With shaft drive, for us its a dealbreaker🏋🏻♀️
Indeed - we're with you on that one too!
Fly-bridge ~ Deal-BREAKER!
HI Dan and thanks for the comment. Fortunately when you build in aluminium can you choose what you want!
Nice new intro. Super interesting interview, would be lovely as a 52 footer.
Thanks - glad you like the intro and yes, in a 52 with design changes looks very promising!
Oh Yeah ok now were talking, I've got 4mins in and have decided that this is the ONE, she's total class, style, comfort and I'm sure performs incredibly, the boat ok!!!. Ok back to video, Im back did u miss me? three words, ( Order One today) 😲 Speaking with Raffaele himself, was a privilege, the only issue was he rarely acknowledges or spoke to Eli, didn't like that. I could chat for hrs so in conclusion, yes still lots to consider but so far lots boxes ticked. Oh and I do like my cabin very very much Thankyou. Lots of u know, be safe. 🌈🇦🇺
Hi Karlene, very insightful again! You always seem to be good hitting the nail on the head....
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Why Thankyou, though I have missed a few times😁 I'm sure it's just being perceptive. I cant wait to see her rigging, sails and mast. Be Good or u know!! 💙
Excellent boat!
Thanks KSR> Glad you are with us for this exciting time...
That is one of the best Catamarans I have seen. Wow. If you can fit 4k of solar with a hybrid system having regen you might have the best catamaran ever made.
Yes we are considering hybrids and regen.,.
this boat is absolutely beautiful gorgeous my favorite thing is the aluminum construction
We agree!
more fire resistants than fiberglass. the boom seems really high off the deck on what Plunkky calls tuna tower. if the upper deck was removed the boom could be lower and give you more sail area daggerboards to let you beach the cat.
The sail plan seems way too high with that large flybridge raising the center of effort. I could be mistaken, but at first glance this yacht doesn't appear to be designed for performance just by looking at the hull width. It's more of a cruiser with durability in mind. It could be a fantastic boat for everything else but if it's gaining more than a knot or two average speed I'm not sure this will fit the bill without a major redesign. Really hope I'm wrong because it would be on my shortlist otherwise.
No that boat was not designed for performance so we are looking to take the features and innovations and work with the architects to redesign the hulls for performance ...
Yes that is exactly the direction we are going, Rick! Great minds.....
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Awesome! Can't wait to see the design proposal.
@0:58 Now we are getting somewhere! Yeagh! Looks awesome! Flybridge!?!
Keep watching ... Interesting stuff ahead!
LOL Love the Delos/Brian reference ;) I'm new to your channel and am enjoying it a lot!
Glad to have you along with us and we could not make that reference without giving Brian the credit!!! Glad you're enjoying what we are doing!
Must say this boat looks awsom best I've liked. 👌
We agreeJohn!
I'm very much looking forward to your next Video. Soon, I will also looking around for a Cat with pretty much the same features as you want, but prefer 55" (its surprising how much that last few feet make).
Key points I want:
Draft: 2" to maybe 2.5". Doable with the likes of the same type of rudders that the Seawind 1600 uses.
Centerboards: Looks like this Cat uses keels not daggerboards or Centerboards. Prefered Centerboards as they offer best offer best draft & can have shear pins meaning they just pop up instead of tearing a hole in a hull if you hit something with them, but probably not viable with Center engine & shaft drive. Not sure there.
Minimal Flybridge with dual helms atop - much more room in saloon/cockpit.
Open plan Saloon/rear Cockpit
Love the much wider hulls above the waterline, dont know why that does not happen more of the time (I know, it does to a point - plus weight, but still...).
I've come to the conclusion that I want an impossible combination of a Seawind 1600 and a McConaghy MC55 but with a shaft drive and possibly in Aluminium. lol.
Well, I guess at least with Aluminium you do have the choice of having something designed and built as a one off to your exact requirements. Only thing is, that's a risk as its an unproven design and you really dont know it if will work well or not.
All the best with your search.
Thanks for the great comments and you seem to have been going through the same pain that no one does it just right. Keep watching cause Portifino offers centreboards with a system that pops up without even breaking a pin, central engines shafts and many of those features you want...
Fantastic looking cat. Really knowledgable boss too. Love the central engines and how they free up the stern for doors and wet rooms. Really innovative design. Have you also considered the new Outremer 52? It does not have the hydraulic rear platform but does offer the performance you love. Thanks as always for sharing your adventures with us. Rob x
Hi Rob, thanks for the comment and nice words! Yes we have looked at the Outremer and obviously it is not aluminium , misses a few other features and the space inside is not as good as other similarly sized boats. They have the philosophy that low volume boat = faster performance which I will cover in later episodes because we have had those discussions with the designers of Portofino too... We lover the various innovations that PF offer!
Interesting definately want to see the deep dive...
Al is repairable and recyclable but has a very high energy investment in its manufacture and construction given this form of construction. There is the pressure forming technique that can be used with large steel and alloy forms..this can be gradual like in a press or explosive forming.
It reduces the amount of fabrication and hull plate welding.
Though all manufacturers know how to control the corrosion problems onboard. Sailing Dauntless fell foul of another problem where stray currents in the water of their long term mooring devoured their new Drive legs..in months. 😬 Not common but worth considering ..some sort of detector meter/alarm on a vessel of this value.
There's also a Swedish company that builds sport and comercial motor vessels from all Stainless steel. The advantage is lightness
and just needs buffing to keep the hull clean of any fouling.
Hemp flax Bamboo and Basalt are all being experimented with..
as are new pressure and chemically treated soft wood boards that one treated are actually 5 x stronger than steel.
It also renders it highly rot resistant.
The barrier is testing and persuading builders to explore and adapt.
Emel are building new monohulls using recyclable.
resins ..
As for the configuration we are largely on the same page ...
The beaching ladder is a nice nod to the designs of James Wharram .. one of the fathers of the modern catamaran cruising/passage making.
Thanks again Clive! Again you share very interesting and unique ideas. the isolation transformer will protect the sail drive (more about that in future episodes) where a new Lagoon lost their sail drives in 6 months...
New materials are quite a risk to take on for builders until proven and unless they are low cost, the risk is really high. I was interested in the basalt of Windelos and your points about recycling are gaining momentum too with sails now being able to be recycled - future episodes with us too. Hope they come soon enough for you!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 You keep the little grey cells ticking over ...😉 Thanks to your quest.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 👍
Retractable Rudder: turns out: seawind 1600 has a retractable rudders (mounted to sugar scoop transom). Never found the Gunboat retractable design, tho' know they have one. Seawind 1600, is 52 footer, billed as perfomance cruising cat, in case you have not check it out.
Thanks Lincoln, yes the Seawind 1600 was one of our favourites and we did a review in Annapolis with Richard Ward the founder. The reason we did not go with the Seawind was some of the things it missed (like good protection in the steering position, forward cockpit and not aluminium...) but the shallow draft, performaNce and lifting rudders and daggerboard ALMOST got us over the line...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Yeah i get that. But the retractable rudder design could implemented in whatever design you ultimately choose......I think the aluminum hull material choice is smart BTW.
Interesting builder. Few talk about what size tender their platform/davits can handle. For an expedition boat, I want as big of a tender I can get for going long distances (and often end up returning in rough conditions). They could easily make those swimsteps 40% narrower and allow the platform to handle a longer tender. The tender doesn't have to weigh a ton with bloated interior fittings, but you need a long deep V hull for comfort. With the growing demand for high $ performance cats, you'd think they'd engineer in longer hulls aft of the cockpit so heavier tenders don't hinder performance.
Thanks for the long comment Mark. The beauty of Alum is that you can make those sort of mods in each boat if you want... Weight would be the most significant thing to affect performance with the tenders as they are usually high out the water. Obviously the bigger the boat, the more carrying capacity and the bigger tender you can carry. Again it all comes down to each persons priorities and what you want on your boat and if that makes you lose something else...
Great video. This boat does look incredible. I have a lagoon 450, not sure I’d buy a fly bridge cat again. A solid boom furling system would be a must for me if I did go down the flybridge route again.
There is very little about this boat out there. Please keep any information you have coming. Thanks for making these videos.
Thanks for watching John and we are looking at a furling boom as well, even though we are considering doing away with the flybridge...
i love this new amazing boat as well
Thanks Stephane for your support!
oh yeah. I like her a lot too. I am just wondering if I can customize her to a hybrid propulsion vessel safely. and also buy a plan and build her in south korea.
Yes CJ, hybrid propulsion can be used but I don't think they are selling the plans to be built elsewhere though.
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thanks a lot
You'll find a good builder. Wow, what an impressive vessel...I'll take two!
Thanks Tony! The development continues!
Ok, I just have to say it...., this cat looks like it would purr... 🙂 🤷♂🤦♂..., very impressive... (very)!
Yes thanks, Stephen! When the features started to become apparent , we got more and more excited!!!! Just a few bits of info to cover now...
Very interesting option folks, plenty to think about, clearly the 47 in the video is not quite right for you due to the probable lack of performance, however if Portofino can work on that and stretch the length etc, you are probably on a winner. Look forward to the coming videos. Take care
Exactly right Ian. We need some specific modifications and hope to see how it will perform....
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Don't overlook Devillieres for at least a comparison.......
amazing! Daggerboards on an aluminum boat??? See you in the Caribbean!
Look forward to it! Lifting keels and shallow draft will be really fantastic in the Bahamas! Put the beers on ice for us, see u there....
I can only imagine what it cost....but it is awesomely beautifull
Not as much as you think, less than the Garcia’s /huh/kinetic and more than the Grp boats....
Very impressive and very interesting indeed 👌👍🥰😍
Awesome video 👌👍
Just one remark . If you intend to use solar panels? Would you have enough space to install atleast enough panels?
For me it's out of my league☹
It's an absolute gem 💎 of a boat/cat with plenty potentials.
I wish you both the very very BEST🤞🤞and I wish one day I win the lottery to join the sailing community 😀🤞🤞🤞
✌❤🍀 🌬⛵
Thanks very much for your support and good wishes! Yes it does look very good with such amazing innovative design features that are nowhere else to be seen. WRT solar, yes there is lots of space for solar if you go that way and you can also do a cargo bar panel if you want clearer sun... I would recommend sailing with other people if you can't afford your own boat as that is a MUCH cheaper way of doing it!!! It doesn't matter how ou get out there - JUST GET OUT THERE!
I remember when I was sailing the Med in a cheap small monohull, we were berthed alongside a super yacht with crew in uniform - it didn't matter how much more their boat cost, we both go the same great view and enjoyment....
Another amazing review and so nice that you both had the opportunity to talk to Raphael and get his one on one perspective!
Would you be able to share rough budgetary pricing on the 47? Obviously if you guys move ahead with a larger boat the price will be reflective of that… just would be nice to know if this is Windelo / balance territory or are we talking kinetic numbers. Lol
All the best and great work again with the videos.
Thanks Mike - the price point is significantly less than Garcia and we will cover cost when we know what the final design is ... Certainly we’ll priced for aluminium and nothing like Kinetic!
Hi you two!
I just found your channel whilst looking for info on alu-cats.
Firstly: great channel!
Secondly: I was shocked to see your boat incinerated! I am so sorry for your loss! Is the cause of the fire known/ could that be established? If the cause is known and I missed it, please excuse my question. Just point me to the episode.
Thirdly: some good has come off this: although you have lost so much, you are in the position of exploring new possibilities in cats; and you have chosen to allow us insight into this real-life tragedy and new beginning! I hope people will learn from your experience.
I wish you good fortune!
Hi Plumber, glad you found us and you like the channel! Thanks for your condolences about the fire and the cause is known but in court so we need to avoid discussion. However it was not from a fault of the boat and was a random event that would not be a risk to others in the future...
And yes we have actively taken the view that there will be some opportunity in the situation and being able to design a more ideal boat for ourselves is certainly one of them... Glad you can see the bigger picture and good luck on your search and journey too!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thank you for you fast answer!
I’d be interested to know what aluminum alloy they are using and where? 6061 is used in many marine applications and 5052 offers high strength and corrosion resistance. I think is has a high copper alloy content. Aluminum loves oxygen so the surface of the aluminum takes on a grey non shinny metallic appearance and this is what makes it resist corrosion . You’ll have to learn a whole bunch on the care and feeding of aluminum vessels. Applying that knowledge and your boat will last and be safe as long as you 🫵want it to.
I know a bit about the subject as I was a Captain on those 20 meter long yellow aluminum flying boats that you’ll see swooping down skimming the water to fill their tanks with 6 &3/4 tons of sea water and hauling it to a wild fire. Calleda CL-215/415 or Canadair. Most of aircraft in Med fleets are 28 to 35 years old. There have been crashes but I’m not aware of any due to structural failure.
I’ll check the specs but know it is the best for strength in seawater...
Are there any completed Portofino yachts sailing? If performance is important it would be great to know what these yachts are actually capable of. You may be told an estimation of speed but you won't really know until it's in the water.
Hi James, thanks for the comments. The 47 is the first of this design underway so we are going to get the computer modelling done for more confidence before it hits the water... At least that will be a more accurate estimate than an eyeball guesstimate!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Fantastic, I really like this 47 concept by Portofino a lot. I never considered aluminum as a material for a catamaran but it has so much going for it that it's difficult to ignore now that I know more about it. The performance potential is the only question that remains. If Portofino can build a yacht from 50-55ft similar to the 47 concept that can sail close to wind speed in favorable conditions that would be incredible. Many people are looking at that kind of performance nowadays.
@@jamesaron1967 Yes you’re right! We will begetting computer calculated performance figures for the potential 52 do that will be interesting and then we would have to wait till the launch to see its real life performance...
Oh..., the ending...? "Dive into the details off the sugar scoops of the Portofino..." :-)
Won’t that be great! But Some time to wait if a build takes 2 years....
Boat looks good. Shame there website wasn't better tried to get a look on what they do. But I'm guessing they are still working on it. I will be keeping an eye on them.
Yes the website is being upgraded at the moment and their focus has been on design and systems so far and marketing has not been their priority. I’m sure more details will be available online soon and I suspect that they wanted some of their innovative features to be kept quiet until they were ready otherwise others may just copy them...
I don't see where aluminum is fire safe. Alu is only protected by the insulation, it burns quite well. If you really want that, build a custom boat from safety boat resins. There are polyester from rescue boats and epoxy resins used in air planes and trains. These materials will not burn at all. Rafaele is right with pure carbon fibre boats about stiffness and all related stuff but if materials are mixed pretty much all desired properties. Kevlar, glass and carbon are only the most common known ones. I do not have the English names for the others at hand now. But I'd be really delighted if someone started transforming the boat world in that direction. GRP rescue boats, trains and planes are fire safe, why not yachts... The only reason is that no one wanted to take the costs of certification for that epoxy for the boat building industry and not enough people ask for fire safe boats.
Hi Andre, thanks for the comment and our feelings exactly about fire resistant resin...We actually looked at the fire resistant resins of airplanes and it was too expensive :(.
Aluminium does not burn like our L50 does and it needs to reach a really high temp; before it will burn so it gives you time to put the fire out. GRP burns so easily the fire departments do not even bother trying to put them out and just let the boat burn to nothing as they know they will not be able to stop it.....
Just for reference, my Aluminium Fortress anchor on our L50 that burn in 15 minutes, was one of the only things that survived and you can see it hanging out of the wreckage as the boat was lifted out. So even with that fierceness of fire, the aluminium DID NOT BURN! Interesting stuff!
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Truly Alu takes a lot longer to start burning. Seems the far better option. Hope you'll find the perfect boat soon. Did you have a look at rescue boat polyester as well?
It is a long time i hear nothing about s-glass. Lightening protection? Tilting wheel can help visibility and comfort at helm a lot. Nice review, impressive cat. I hope price will be ''reasonable''.
Thanks for sharing. the prices are "reasonable" - higher than the production cats but lower than Garcia...
Is there any interest to have “solar power” added? I watch MJSailing, they have an interesting video where one engine will be electric & the other diesel. Benefit of generating electricity while running the diesel to the battery bank to run the electric engine later to conserve on fuel. As well as storing electricity from the solar.
Found that quite interesting & believe that it would be a beneficial feature.
Thoughts?
Yes we have seen the episode from MJ about their regen and use of one Diesel engine and two electric ones and solar to to up the batteries. It would be nice not to have to buy the second diesel (weight and money) but having a second engine in case of breakdowns is really nice... You can generate in one hour what takes a week of solar but that is a bit of back up too if your diesel goes out... So all interesting decisions we will need to make too! We do have time still though...
why did you use the same footage of electrical components as you showed in the Garcia 52 video?
Good observation Ian, - because there is no footage of Portofino electrical as it is not built yet.
John, what's with the anchor system up the front bow in that last exterior render? It seems to pop out of the hulls to the exterior side of the hull and then move forward. Looks fantastic from here. It looks good in grey. What will they be covering the AL hulls in, paint, wrap, gel-coat, or unfinished?
Thanks again for your support and comment GB! That anchor system Raffaele has designed for the 67 - interesting! The paint/ gel/polish/ wrap is up the owner of the boat - Zportifino is giving us all those options...
What is the cost looks amazing
Cheaper than the Garcia’s / HH / Kinetic54 and more than the Leopard 50.... When we have exact figures to share, we will.
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 thank you the vessel looks amazing
Questions:
1. What is the dry weight per lineal foot for each boat? That's important. Danson kept the early Outremeres under 300 lbs. Not so now. Mumbies are under 300 lbs. Generally, Lerouges are under 300 lbs. Then, what do you plan to add?
2. What is the length to width ratios on each boat size? Obviously, higher is better without compromising flotation. You cannot over-load a "performance" boat. It doesn't have enough flotation. That was a problem with some Outremeres.
3. How much sail are these boats capable of?
Wow, Paddy, that is a lot of detail really early when we are still in early stages of looking at specific designs. However Portofinos are not built as light as Mumbies (under 10T) as they are looking to be in the "exploration" range and more resilient and tough if they hit anything. We are looking at length to width ratios and hull shape to maximise performance so we will discuss that in the next episode and are also in the process of getting performance polars done not eh loaded boat so we can have more confidence in the performance stats. The sail plan is also being designed as we speak as that is also needed to get accurate polars...
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Sorry. Got carried away. Consider a Solent rig. A LOT of benefits.
@@captainpaddy1524 Why do you recommend a solent?
@@captainpaddy1524 A Solent is sometimes used to describe a stay sail and also a 100% job - what are you referring to Paddy? We are considering a 100% job and a staysail for bad eeather and for use with the code 0 off the wind.... Is that what you mean?
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Go to "Solent", Dick Beaumont, Kraken yachts. Dick describes it beautifully. TBO, it was already installed on my boat when I boat it (2nd hand) and I am very glad. I believe that the famous "Vinson of Antarctica" also has a Solent configuration.
With 35 tons of displacement, for a 47 foot boat, I am really very curious whether you can get any kind of performance….?
The 35T is the 67 and the 52 is expected to be 16 tonnes. The 47 is lighter than that...
Man I want the same boat. Will they give a discount if I order one too?
Hey Bec, give it a try and we might all get bulk discount by ordering together....
How’s the price of this cat?
Hi Nr, Thanks for watching and this costs about $900K incl a lot of essentials. For the exact price, contact Raffaele at info@portofinomarineservice.com
That boom height is downright dangerous... expensive charter vessel that is overdesigned...certainly not performance vessel
This 47 is being to the owners specs and he wants more comfort than performance. We are looking into the performance that we hope to get out of the Portofino and we are waiting for VPPs / polars on the way so keep watching.... Performance is higher on my requirements so with every aluminium boat built individually, they can be tailored to each new owners preference within som boundaries.
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 Will be interesting to see how you guys design your Portofino... good luck.
you sound a bit desperate for a deal on the boat which spoils it.
What do you mean by that? Enthusiasm and desperation are different I would have thought and our search for the "perfect catamaran" for us has been going on for 2+ years now which I would have thought does not reflect desperation?
Jeez that thing is ugly………the fly bridge and it’s solid cover are truly heinous. Trying to call this a “performance cat” is misleading at best.
Hey CB, interesting that you see it that way and everyone is entitled to their opinion. This boat was designed to the owners specs and he was not concerned about performance and wanted the more comfortable end of the spectrum so it all a personal choice. If you wait a few episodes, we will be able to share with you Velocity performance Projections (VPPs or Polars) to show the speeds of the Portofino when we get them back.... That will be veeerrry interesting!
Performance does not mean it has to look a certain way. Aluminum boats can be made way lighter due to aluminum being a stronger material which is a huge factor in performance.
@Sabret00th Sabret00th sure, but the full size fridge/freezer in the galley or the retractable bbq on the stern, or the dedicated internal "dive room", or the flybridge complete with solid roof gives us a definite clue that this design is no lightweight and therefore cannot be considered to be a "performance cat"
@@CG-99 did u not hear John, when he said that particular boat was made to the clients specs, which was comfortability NOT performance. He also said many times, these boats have different layouts and again u can design what U Want. 😁 hava nice day.
@@CG-99 True, would be interesting to see the weight. I looked but couldn't find it.
What is the 47 pricing? Skipped through the vid so maybe I missed it?!
Very Competitive but as it is not my boat, I do not know for sure. Lower than Garcia’s /HH etc and more than Leopards/ Lagoons etc. we are looking at a bigger version so will have to look at hose details shortly.
Searching for the perfect yacht is difficult. The idea of Aluminum is exciting. Thanks for posting this video. I’d love to see if they will do a explorer vessel.
Hi guys, yes they do as each boat can be modified to suit the levels of exploration that are required. Both strength of hulls and insulation...