@@tapeesa2866 Gen sec/keycard door: It needs a keycard Gen sec/No keycard door: Lock picking is ass Wooden door/no destructible: Lock picking is ass Wooden door/ destructible: I can one shot a door so i like it
Well dunno, i love to oneshot a hoard of cops in their bodies. And two-shot bulldosers with no headshots as well. And I need an ammo build anyway so my pickup rate is roughly 1 per box with almost infinite flashbangs... If you can land your headshots though, this gun is very meh, yeah.
I personally like the R93 the most for being high damage and having good stats all around. The Platypus may be one step short of it but it least it has an awesome skin in Star Spawn.
I want to imagine Overkill adding some bolt action rifles from WW2, though the scariest thing is, imagine how overpowered they'd be made Someone running around with a Lee Enfield dealing 300 damage like a bleeding mad man
Honestly, I've found that the Thanatos is worth bringing on maps that spawn turrets. it does solid damage, penetrates armor/walls, and can't be shot out when it turns to lock on you. Mind you, that leaves it largely useless outside of that, especially since the faceplate/visor forces it into a 3-shot kill on dozers, but I tend to regret leaving it at home when I see the turret pop out of the swat van.
As someone who hasn’t had the chance or interest to pick up the newer DLCs, I have a big soft spot for the Repeater even though working it into a specific build wasn’t as straightforward as say the Grom. Easy ammo economy, good damage that doesn’t go overboard at the expense of other stats, the individual round reload is a godsend in more hectic firefights. Of course, this was before the Lebensauger’s buffs came along so I’m sure my tune will change.
Sniper the Platypus?! For real though, I like being able to 1 hit headshot things without needing frenzy or crits (imo crit snipers aren’t worth it) and I did notice the slightly faster reload makes a huge difference for me
crit snipers is the only good sniper build if youre doing dw or dsod, and its not for one shotting cops its more for medics, cloakers, tazers etc, and i mean youre entitled to your opinion but objectively if you arent going crit on a sniper youre just purposely hindering yourself for no reason
Medics, tasers, cloakers, and shields aren’t a problem if you can land your headshots consistently with the Platypus. The only issue you’ll have is Dozers, but you can chip at them through walls or bring along alternative solutions (like javelins, or bloodthirst with a katana). For me, the crit snipers just aren’t accurate enough, and only being able to have a 30% RNG chance to land those one hit headshots just isn’t worth it. This is entirely a my own feel about the playstyle of them. But at that point I’d rather just switch to a Clarion or SMGs
@@Aurichalcam like i said, you can have that opinion but its statistically incorrect, you oneshot everything except specials anyway and the heavies youll one shot with it, they also have higher mag size and the more dmg helps graze alot which just gives way more kpm, like i said you can use it but its just not as good no matter what way you look at it, because if it was no one would use crit snipers to DSOD
No, it one shot headshots everything except Dozers on DS. Video here even says so. I personally like this playstyle more because 1) I can land headshots consistently. It’s why I got a sniper rifle. 2) I like to eliminate as many dice rolls as possible. The crit-hitters aren’t accurate enough so I’m rolling dice to hit in the first place. Then rolling again to see if the shot is a crit. Plus with the way Graze works, I prioritize the specials because they have the higher HP. Graze only spreads dmg according to total HP of the enemy, so I like to pick off those cheeky medics in crowds. The only unfortunate part is I cannot run dodge with it, which is probably why it’s not meta. Since tank builds lose effectiveness the higher up you go.
@@poocianpoo I'm no expert, but it entirely depends on your playstyle. I've had success with sniper anarchist, sniper grinder, etc. You can make snipers work with most playstyles (though it can be hard to make them work for dodge/crits due to low concealment, so I would reccomend avoiding dodge builds).
I love the bolt-actions, and I usually pick up the Rattlesnake or the R93 depending on the difficulty, and sometimes the Desertfox for a John Wick Build.
Mosin crit builds are stupid and useless but I love them. It feels nice to use and it’s cool when I can kill everything in one hit. If I was making the list I’d put it way higher but you know, personal preference and all that.
For me the Thanatos became my secondary that I'd exclusively use on Bulldozers and kill everything else with a submachine gun. It's so satisfying to take out the biggest target with so few shots and then go back to spray n' pray against all the others.
I was able to get a build with the thanatos under 25 conceal, so I've been having a blast with some odd pseudo graze-crit-anarchist build. Because the highest damage in the game wasn't enough damage
God, I remember when the Thanatos was the only weapon to use on One Down. It used to be so good, but then the rebalance, and now it's damage is excessive. At least the repeater is viable now.
Thanatos is my go-to weapon for high crime sprees. I save it entirely for chunking out specialists and dozers before they can get close enough to be an issue, and I carry some kind of secondary SMG for everything else. Works shockingly well.
My fav is the contractor, many thanks for having it that high on the list :D Because damage, looks? Yeah sure, but I mostly hate to see my scopes being wiggly when a bullet gets chambered, I have severely bad aim, so wiggly scopes aren't on the menu, sadly it means that 80% of the snipers were escorted out of my _sights_ I wish, man I wish we get more snipers in the game, more semi-auto snipers for the... Accurately challenged players like myself :') France has nice snipers too, we even got a neat revolver sniper lmao, so wht not!
I love your videos dude everyday after school when I get on payday2 (which I just recently got into) your videos really help me get the most out of the game, I'm definitely here to stay
I just picked up Payday 2 6 weeks ago and came off of playing the sniper elite series for the past couple years so I immediately felt at home with the Nagant.
I really like the Lebensauger, what he says is true, great ammo pick up, i had never needed an ammo bag (at this moment), also has a really cool skin, in my opinion, the M9, and the info is really recent, glad to find this guy to help with my heists :D
contractor is still no1 for me the frenzy skin is so pog and it can be concealed easier unlike the lebensauger althought ammo pickup is slightly less it still doesnt matter due to its pickup being 2-4 meaning u are still insanely positive with pickup edit: also bigger mag size
For me, its the GROM, couldn't get the 308 to under 5 concealment with a decent secondary, what type of build are you using? Also the base accuracy sucks ass
Im my opinion the repeater would be satisfying to hit headshots and isn't bad either. Good damage, Mag, Firerate anything you can ask for really. Low blow aced and berserker aced makes this really good.
Happy to see this one. Last but not least. I always did prefer the R93 for the feel of the weapon and it’s performance, but my own preferences have shifted over time. Especially messing with the buffed Lebensauger, and having a lot of fun with it. Not terribly surprised to see a ton of the low damage ones so high, but a good list nonetheless. Cheers, mate. Eager to see where things go from here.
Honestly my personal favorite is the Nagant. Probably due to the old days where shooting through a shield greatly reduced damage (75% apparently). The Rattlesnake was nice to shoot, but just didn't have the punch to drop sheilds in one, even with a headshot. The R93 could, but the fire rate of 50 would cause issues where I had a shot lined up before it had fully cycled, causing a misfire. But since I hated Sheild's with a passion (running a turret build where sheilds would just wear out their ammo and then they're useless) I ran the R93 to deal with them. Then the Historical pack dropped and gave me exactly what I wanted. The power of the R93 to drop sheilds and never had an issue with the fire rate. Ran along side Cobra for the massive ammo pool. It was my personal meta for a while, until I switched to shotgun slugs. Granted that was years ago, but coming back when there's more choices, the Nagant still reigns for me.
My opinion on the rest are so. The Platypus's reload aggravates me more then an extra mag reserve is worth. The Desertfox is worthless due to the accuracy. The Rattlesnake is just worse to the Nagant. The 1876 individual reload and massive mag is nice, but yeah the scope is hot garbage and keeps it as an occasional novelty. Haven't used the R700, but a half damage Platapus doesn't intrigue me. And honestly I can't stand the Low damage ones. They just feel like how DRMs SHOULD feel like (As in can punch through sheilds), but without even their terrible ammo reserves. So you can't even use them like a sniper (IE, sitting in a corner or a long ass hall not picking up boxes).
The Thanatos is definitely a good weapon to hand the bots, i had them running it for awhile and then one day when i had the vanilla hud + mod to see the bots kill count i noticed they we're one shotting pretty much every enemy they seen and even had more kills then i did. I think it's a good gun to hand over to the bot if they have armor piercing skill.
DesertFox - nice design and reload animation Repeater - great choice for random shooting on enemy groups (graze is Sure) by grinder madman Bernetti - Repeater's upgrade
I'm a filthy scoundrel.. I use a silenced Winchester to quite literally pop heads and abusing the reload speed perks to ignore that massive reload speed.
I like the Rangehitter, it feels like it's just the right RoF to put a bullet in the same hole as the one before it. But I also like taking the scope off and using it in a lightweight anarchist build so maybe I'm doing it wrong.
For me it makes re-aiming more difficult, like the crazy recoil on the Thanatos, the gun flies so high it’s crazy to reset, but that could just be me lol
@@b33croft That makes sense actually. When I first used snipers I was really thrown off by the shaking and since then I just toggle ADS in-between every shot so I don't get too nauseous. Didn't know stability minimized that.
I honestly think thanatos is one the best Here is why 1- i hate low concealment and builds with no armor, so for my builds, crits are useless. 2- i always bring with a secondary weapon to break the face armor of the bulldozer so i can one shot him. 3- i am a very good shot and have very good reflexes and i have ammo efficiency so i almost never have problem with ammo when we talk about thanatos. 4- its fun as fuck to use. 5- the splash damage when you headshot a special enemy with the colateral damage skill is ravaging.
Beatiful list, I agree with the order. When it comes to stats, the Lebensauger is a well balanced weapon, suitable for nearly every heist. Loud or stealth, it can pull it off. The Thanatos rifle is a weird thing, it's a 50.cal rifle so it has no consealment or stability, yet it has the most damage and range. Like the RPG, it's kind of a rarity. It could work in certain high level heists, yet it's tricky because of it's low mag and pick up.
My favorite I think is Contractor idk, maybe for his design and for a skin I bought makes it look a bit cooler, but knowing more of snipers it's always nice
I don't have all dlcs so my selection is limited, however I like the nagant and the platypus the most due to their small ish model with iron sights. Not as small and IKEA sniper as the Desert Fox, but definitely not as bulky as the lebensauger's. Come to think of it , visuals is 80% of the reason why I don't use the lebensauger. Darn you GeneralMcBadass and your videos that influenced me when I picked up the game!
Personally I like the nagant, I feel the lebensauger is more assault rifle than sniper, high stability, good ammo pickup I like to use nagant because of the damage and it's got decent enough ammo pickup
Thanks for another awesome and interesting video! Glad to see that somebody is willing to *crunch the numbers* for some of us less... "mathematically inclined" lol
9:18 it actually does a lot of impact,bc u just need frenzy basic to be a one shot headshot,even with silencers,so its more versatile,and u can carry flashbangs instesd of molotovs,giving u more survivability
I like running the Grom, with the right build you can get down to 3 detection and silenced. Is stability important for high damage single-fire weapons? The time between shots is long enough that you'll have to aim again anyway, so having recoil after a shot isn't punishing.
I think stability between shots totally depends on the player. I'm no slouch, but definitely need higher end stability to be worth anything for consistent-ish headshots. If you're rock solid/can reacquire target while reloading then probably doesn't matter as much.
I come from the future to make you really question yourself. *Do you really need stability on a weapon that doesn't fire even remotely close to a very slow submachine gun?* Snipers are meant for the single hit works, and increasing stability *objectively* does not make it perform better. If stability meant that it interacts with your steadiness, then maybe I would consider it a worthy stat to look into, since it would reduce the likelihood of my aim being thrown off from being hit.
Stability is recoil, waiting 3 seconds for the sim to reset is not a good situation, a good stability allows you to shoot accurately again quicker. Could just be me
@@b33croft In my time playing PD2, I only found Stability important on auto-fired weapons, never single-fire. I could say my hand easily makes accurate shots without stability, but I don't want to make that claim.
Hey if you don’t need it you don’t need it. By itself though, the reason I gave is the technical reason, think of it as gun kicking high into the air, the Thanatos is the best example, flies high and is nowhere near ready for a follow up shot. But hey, like I said, and do in all these vids, purely subjective in a lot of cases and everyone should just use what they find fun and like the most, just like I do
Heres the thing, ik this is a little old but the thantos 50 cal with the skill that makes you reload faster, and the skill that refunds 1 bullet per headshot, and if you bring a smg as a secondary, the thantos 50 cal might be the best sniper (but def not for ds or above because you cant make a dodge build with it which is usually the only way u can win ds loud heists)
The R93 still sits at the top for me, i also abuse graze till theres no tomorrow so in heists that take place in buildings like Undercover and Panic Room are very welcoming of my bullets, sometimes reaching accuracy that surpasses 100%
I honestly just picked the Walther 2000 out of the snipers because I loved the gun (cause it's pretty much just a german space gun). Seeing it ranked at the top at least once in it's life is awesome.
I have an idea that I hope you find interesting, after you complete every single weapon type tier list, make a worst to best of the best guns total, so do a top 3 guns from each weapon class in order to tell the community what you think are the best weapons overall instead of just each individual class, if you do it this way there should only be like a 7x3 = 21 gun tier list. Shouldn't be too difficult given you've done ones that have 70+ items to review, so an in depth yet still short tier list of the best guns in the game over every weapon class. Sorry I repeat myself at all I just wanna get my idea across because I think it'd be a great video and everyone who watches you will finally know the true best guns in the game.
My Repeater better be good- but I'm fully expecting the Contractor to be first lol Or maybe the Grom? Actually, the Rangehitter is good too... Bah, hard to guess!
To be fair with the Thanatos, I use the short barrel and red dot sight on a loud build and use it as a battle rifle instead of a Sniper that and I use it on heist I know a turret will more than likely appear.
@@b33croft True then again I'm still a noob at the game lol, but that's what I love about games like this, everyone has a different preference and use for items.
Thanatos, AKA 50. Caliber boom stick, no wonder its ammo pick up is so low. Still, that's why we have secondary weapons. Plus.....some of the stuff you can do to that thing is just comical.
It much easier to snipe with shotguns. More than often I see a sniper at the other side of the map and I just point my sewed off at him. I never missed.
I used to run a fn fal style rifle with a single fire mod as a dmr style. Got 100 accuracy with it so i could just run and gun whilst calming clicking everything
The “Rangehither” has to be my favorite sniper in the game. Too bad it needs zerk for it to deal any sort of damage. The huge plus is, it can quite easily run crits.
I unironically like the Desertfox. I run a crit dodge graze build with the Desertfox modded for high concealment and 100 accuracy and consistently get the most kills in the lobby.
@@b33croft ??? You stick in one cartridge at a time. Its not a bullet, its a cartridge. Every gun in the game that doesn't use explosives or arrows feeds cartidges" albiet from detachable magazines.
Yeah, finally a list for my favorite category! :D Thank you for the good content! :) I'm actually very surprised about the low rank of the Desert Fox. It's my favorite gun in Payday 2 to be honest. I'm always using it with Rogue Deck, Low Blow Basic, Graze Aced and Mag 10 as secondary weapon. I always liked it the most because it is the only high damage sniper rifle that can still reach high enough concealment for crit builds. However, maybe you are right and it is just overkill. I'll consider your information when I get back into the game. :) The low accuracy wasn't an issue for me because I could still boost it up to 100 with weapon mods and skills.
My favorite sniper has to be the Kang Arms X1 just because I love the stability on it and it makes such a satisfying sound. Although my favorite might be changed after I give the newly buffed Lebensauger a try
When b33 picks up a sniper, every cop gets a full dodge build. Ey meng.
100 dodge heavy swats is unfair
@@b33croft after you figure out how to make cops not have 100 dodge against you when you have snipers, try the thanatos again xd
Cops need a nerf
I swear….
At this point Overkill should just give us a slingshot so we can have a Golden spoon slingshot meta
I know its a joke, but I wont say is impossible to happen.
Update 300
Well,we're almost having a musket so...
@@b33croft rank all doors on all heists worst to best
@@tapeesa2866
Gen sec/keycard door: It needs a keycard
Gen sec/No keycard door:
Lock picking is ass
Wooden door/no destructible:
Lock picking is ass
Wooden door/ destructible:
I can one shot a door so i like it
Thanatos is that gun that is objectively terrible but like,
*Damage*
That something Overkill would make. A literally overkill weapon.
I made mine purple and called it the Thanos rifle. Tank buster barrel, extra bullet boost, pro grip, and theia scope.
@@nickthelonewolf9909 If only I could shoot a tank with that and not some mindless goons they call police.
@@misterymisterio8778 well, you can shoot a turret, it dies after like 30 shots, hev foon
Well dunno, i love to oneshot a hoard of cops in their bodies. And two-shot bulldosers with no headshots as well. And I need an ammo build anyway so my pickup rate is roughly 1 per box with almost infinite flashbangs... If you can land your headshots though, this gun is very meh, yeah.
I personally like the R93 the most for being high damage and having good stats all around. The Platypus may be one step short of it but it least it has an awesome skin in Star Spawn.
Very cool mate!
star spawn was my first epic skin. beautiful skin, but I don't use the platypus much
i use the platypus cuz i play bodhi...
using the platypus because i'm ftp.... someone needs to get me dlc lmao
The Platypus is free, so its clearly the better option.
I want to imagine Overkill adding some bolt action rifles from WW2, though the scariest thing is, imagine how overpowered they'd be made
Someone running around with a Lee Enfield dealing 300 damage like a bleeding mad man
you mean like the nagant?
@@zjanez2868 Besides the Nagant
I think that a Lee Enfield would be a good idea. A fast firing medium damage bolt action rifle
@@zjanez2868 Cuz that's already in the game
And it's already a monster
@@maxpower7785 Hell yea
i can't even describe how fucking groovy that song is
I love it
What song is it?
Honestly, I've found that the Thanatos is worth bringing on maps that spawn turrets. it does solid damage, penetrates armor/walls, and can't be shot out when it turns to lock on you. Mind you, that leaves it largely useless outside of that, especially since the faceplate/visor forces it into a 3-shot kill on dozers, but I tend to regret leaving it at home when I see the turret pop out of the swat van.
Ah, The Thanatos. A utility weapon. A tool. Designed to kill everybody that isn't covered from their hair to their feet in one shot.
As someone who hasn’t had the chance or interest to pick up the newer DLCs, I have a big soft spot for the Repeater even though working it into a specific build wasn’t as straightforward as say the Grom.
Easy ammo economy, good damage that doesn’t go overboard at the expense of other stats, the individual round reload is a godsend in more hectic firefights. Of course, this was before the Lebensauger’s buffs came along so I’m sure my tune will change.
Nice
Sniper the Platypus?!
For real though, I like being able to 1 hit headshot things without needing frenzy or crits (imo crit snipers aren’t worth it) and I did notice the slightly faster reload makes a huge difference for me
Yea builds change the list a bit for sure
crit snipers is the only good sniper build if youre doing dw or dsod, and its not for one shotting cops its more for medics, cloakers, tazers etc, and i mean youre entitled to your opinion but objectively if you arent going crit on a sniper youre just purposely hindering yourself for no reason
Medics, tasers, cloakers, and shields aren’t a problem if you can land your headshots consistently with the Platypus. The only issue you’ll have is Dozers, but you can chip at them through walls or bring along alternative solutions (like javelins, or bloodthirst with a katana). For me, the crit snipers just aren’t accurate enough, and only being able to have a 30% RNG chance to land those one hit headshots just isn’t worth it. This is entirely a my own feel about the playstyle of them. But at that point I’d rather just switch to a Clarion or SMGs
@@Aurichalcam like i said, you can have that opinion but its statistically incorrect, you oneshot everything except specials anyway and the heavies youll one shot with it, they also have higher mag size and the more dmg helps graze alot which just gives way more kpm, like i said you can use it but its just not as good no matter what way you look at it, because if it was no one would use crit snipers to DSOD
No, it one shot headshots everything except Dozers on DS. Video here even says so. I personally like this playstyle more because 1) I can land headshots consistently. It’s why I got a sniper rifle. 2) I like to eliminate as many dice rolls as possible. The crit-hitters aren’t accurate enough so I’m rolling dice to hit in the first place. Then rolling again to see if the shot is a crit. Plus with the way Graze works, I prioritize the specials because they have the higher HP. Graze only spreads dmg according to total HP of the enemy, so I like to pick off those cheeky medics in crowds. The only unfortunate part is I cannot run dodge with it, which is probably why it’s not meta. Since tank builds lose effectiveness the higher up you go.
I was actually just looking into making a sniper build, perfect timing!
i used to main sniper anarchist build, till i decided to be Gunslinger Hacker.
same
Awesome
whats the best perk deck for a sniper build?
@@poocianpoo I'm no expert, but it entirely depends on your playstyle. I've had success with sniper anarchist, sniper grinder, etc. You can make snipers work with most playstyles (though it can be hard to make them work for dodge/crits due to low concealment, so I would reccomend avoiding dodge builds).
I love the bolt-actions, and I usually pick up the Rattlesnake or the R93 depending on the difficulty, and sometimes the Desertfox for a John Wick Build.
Nice mate!
I'm a casual player that's never gone above overkill and I love the graze/grinder build it just wipes complete rooms in a few shots
I feel like a psychopath for liking the platypus rifle over all others until last week
The final weapons list! Here we go bois!
Can't wait to see where we go from here!
Thanks mate! Thanks have some fun ideas!
As a man who loves lever action weapons the rangehitter has to be my favorite. The sleek look makes using it in vr a joy.
Mosin crit builds are stupid and useless but I love them. It feels nice to use and it’s cool when I can kill everything in one hit. If I was making the list I’d put it way higher but you know, personal preference and all that.
for sure mate! enjoy!
god I'm so glad they buffed the Lebensauger
thing has been my favorite sniper for the longest time
Yea it’s so much fun!
For me the Thanatos became my secondary that I'd exclusively use on Bulldozers and kill everything else with a submachine gun. It's so satisfying to take out the biggest target with so few shots and then go back to spray n' pray against all the others.
I was able to get a build with the thanatos under 25 conceal, so I've been having a blast with some odd pseudo graze-crit-anarchist build. Because the highest damage in the game wasn't enough damage
Lol yea, you can get crits through low blow but it’s pretty pointless
@@b33croft Useless, but oh so satisfying when you bodyshot a dozer and they die instantly
Until you’re a cook off cook, and you don’t fight other than marked dozers.
Yes, that build I use. It just works!
I been playing alot with sniper rifle like the nagant and the repeater lately
Nice to find this video
:)
My favorite one is the nagant, not because it is a good one, but because I like the reloading and bolt action animations and the aesthetics of it
Nice!
God, I remember when the Thanatos was the only weapon to use on One Down. It used to be so good, but then the rebalance, and now it's damage is excessive. At least the repeater is viable now.
Thanatos is my go-to weapon for high crime sprees. I save it entirely for chunking out specialists and dozers before they can get close enough to be an issue, and I carry some kind of secondary SMG for everything else.
Works shockingly well.
My fav is the contractor, many thanks for having it that high on the list :D
Because damage, looks? Yeah sure, but I mostly hate to see my scopes being wiggly when a bullet gets chambered, I have severely bad aim, so wiggly scopes aren't on the menu, sadly it means that 80% of the snipers were escorted out of my _sights_
I wish, man I wish we get more snipers in the game, more semi-auto snipers for the... Accurately challenged players like myself :')
France has nice snipers too, we even got a neat revolver sniper lmao, so wht not!
DMR builds with the M308 or the Galant (M1 Garand) are the build for me and you.
I love your videos dude everyday after school when I get on payday2 (which I just recently got into) your videos really help me get the most out of the game, I'm definitely here to stay
appreciate you my friend!
when every reload ranked from worst to best though
ooh there are some cool ones!
I just picked up Payday 2 6 weeks ago and came off of playing the sniper elite series for the past couple years so I immediately felt at home with the Nagant.
B33croft : * sees any number *
Also B33croft : *HOLY S###*
agreeed
I really like the Lebensauger, what he says is true, great ammo pick up, i had never needed an ammo bag (at this moment), also has a really cool skin, in my opinion, the M9, and the info is really recent, glad to find this guy to help with my heists :D
contractor is still no1 for me the frenzy skin is so pog and it can be concealed easier unlike the lebensauger althought ammo pickup is slightly less it still doesnt matter due to its pickup being 2-4 meaning u are still insanely positive with pickup
edit: also bigger mag size
For me, its the GROM, couldn't get the 308 to under 5 concealment with a decent secondary, what type of build are you using?
Also the base accuracy sucks ass
@@BazylLed most builds under 5 concealment i find heavily restricted i often go for 23dr (unless its shitzma/judge or most pistols)
Yea love it
I Love using the Contractor with a Reflex scope
It looks like a Dmr
I believe that it the contractor is a HK417 which is a Dmr so you’re right about the looks.
great gun!
@@MangoPaladin oh good to know
a dude from the future asking on which place you would put flintlock freddy
I'm not a fan of shields and dozers, but I am a fan of my mac10, so the Thanatos really fills in that primary slot nicely.
Im my opinion the repeater would be satisfying to hit headshots and isn't bad either. Good damage, Mag, Firerate anything you can ask for really. Low blow aced and berserker aced makes this really good.
Happy to see this one. Last but not least.
I always did prefer the R93 for the feel of the weapon and it’s performance, but my own preferences have shifted over time. Especially messing with the buffed Lebensauger, and having a lot of fun with it.
Not terribly surprised to see a ton of the low damage ones so high, but a good list nonetheless.
Cheers, mate. Eager to see where things go from here.
Cheers!
The R93 with that wooden body just looks so god damn nice
Honestly my personal favorite is the Nagant. Probably due to the old days where shooting through a shield greatly reduced damage (75% apparently). The Rattlesnake was nice to shoot, but just didn't have the punch to drop sheilds in one, even with a headshot. The R93 could, but the fire rate of 50 would cause issues where I had a shot lined up before it had fully cycled, causing a misfire. But since I hated Sheild's with a passion (running a turret build where sheilds would just wear out their ammo and then they're useless) I ran the R93 to deal with them.
Then the Historical pack dropped and gave me exactly what I wanted. The power of the R93 to drop sheilds and never had an issue with the fire rate. Ran along side Cobra for the massive ammo pool. It was my personal meta for a while, until I switched to shotgun slugs.
Granted that was years ago, but coming back when there's more choices, the Nagant still reigns for me.
My opinion on the rest are so.
The Platypus's reload aggravates me more then an extra mag reserve is worth. The Desertfox is worthless due to the accuracy.
The Rattlesnake is just worse to the Nagant. The 1876 individual reload and massive mag is nice, but yeah the scope is hot garbage and keeps it as an occasional novelty. Haven't used the R700, but a half damage Platapus doesn't intrigue me.
And honestly I can't stand the Low damage ones. They just feel like how DRMs SHOULD feel like (As in can punch through sheilds), but without even their terrible ammo reserves. So you can't even use them like a sniper (IE, sitting in a corner or a long ass hall not picking up boxes).
The Thanatos is definitely a good weapon to hand the bots, i had them running it for awhile and then one day when i had the vanilla hud + mod to see the bots kill count i noticed they we're one shotting pretty much every enemy they seen and even had more kills then i did. I think it's a good gun to hand over to the bot if they have armor piercing skill.
DesertFox - nice design and reload animation
Repeater - great choice for random shooting on enemy groups (graze is Sure) by grinder madman
Bernetti - Repeater's upgrade
Nice mate!
I'm a filthy scoundrel.. I use a silenced Winchester to quite literally pop heads and abusing the reload speed perks to ignore that massive reload speed.
I like the Rangehitter, it feels like it's just the right RoF to put a bullet in the same hole as the one before it. But I also like taking the scope off and using it in a lightweight anarchist build so maybe I'm doing it wrong.
For sure!
Though honestly I don't think stability is that important on snipers, I really appreciate the work you put into this list! Thanks.
For me it makes re-aiming more difficult, like the crazy recoil on the Thanatos, the gun flies so high it’s crazy to reset, but that could just be me lol
@@b33croft That makes sense actually. When I first used snipers I was really thrown off by the shaking and since then I just toggle ADS in-between every shot so I don't get too nauseous. Didn't know stability minimized that.
Yea mate, makes it tricky for me and slows down follow up shots. If you have 100 stability there literally no recoil so you can just keep firing lol
Yes amazing vid still asking for masks but if that's to many perhaps you can do enemies worst to best haha but great work as usual
Enemies for sur e
I honestly think thanatos is one the best
Here is why
1- i hate low concealment and builds with no armor, so for my builds, crits are useless.
2- i always bring with a secondary weapon to break the face armor of the bulldozer so i can one shot him.
3- i am a very good shot and have very good reflexes and i have ammo efficiency so i almost never have problem with ammo when we talk about thanatos.
4- its fun as fuck to use.
5- the splash damage when you headshot a special enemy with the colateral damage skill is ravaging.
Nice enjoy!!
You're telling me that's not were the name GROM comes from?! Great video mate, enjoyed it a lot :)
Cheers mate! Yea I was disappointed to find that out
Beatiful list, I agree with the order. When it comes to stats, the Lebensauger is a well balanced weapon, suitable for nearly every heist. Loud or stealth, it can pull it off. The Thanatos rifle is a weird thing, it's a 50.cal rifle so it has no consealment or stability, yet it has the most damage and range. Like the RPG, it's kind of a rarity. It could work in certain high level heists, yet it's tricky because of it's low mag and pick up.
thanks mate!
I really love the thanatos, my favorite for hitting those trickshots
My favorite I think is Contractor idk, maybe for his design and for a skin I bought makes it look a bit cooler, but knowing more of snipers it's always nice
7:20 I think the term you’re looking for is “magazine-fed”
Meh I’ll stick to what I came up with lol
I love this best to worst playlist.
Cant wait to see the payday 3 best to worst !!
Couple of years!
Kang arms x1 is my go-to for any sniper build that isn’t running low blow, it just sounds powerful
Yea it has some great accuracy and stab
Idk, something about hitting headshots with the repeater just tickles me in all the right places
Desertfox is the way I go, though I do run a dodge / crit build. I'm yet to find a major flaw with the rifle as well.
Just some crappy stability but that’s really it
I'm a sucker for old guns, so of course my favorite is the repeater
It’s one of the best looking for sure!
@@b33croft one of the best sounding too! The nagant is pretty sweet too! Nothing like a good battle rifle!
I like it how some guns get that aug magazine positioning
I don't have all dlcs so my selection is limited, however
I like the nagant and the platypus the most due to their small ish model with iron sights. Not as small and IKEA sniper as the Desert Fox, but definitely not as bulky as the lebensauger's.
Come to think of it , visuals is 80% of the reason why I don't use the lebensauger. Darn you GeneralMcBadass and your videos that influenced me when I picked up the game!
Grom is my favorite. Dodge build with the tatonka for those pesky dozers gets me down to 13 detection.
Maybe you should do best primary/secondary weapons, just take the top 5 from each list and put it all in a ranked list.
Maybe!
b33 makes a first short which is every DIFFICULTY ranked WORST to BEST (Payday 2)
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Did not expect a Wallace and Gromet reference in this vid.
Haha not many did!
Personally I like the nagant, I feel the lebensauger is more assault rifle than sniper, high stability, good ammo pickup
I like to use nagant because of the damage and it's got decent enough ammo pickup
repeater 1874, its like, a shotgun with slugs, but better than a shotgun with slugs in every way
Nice, enjoy!
Thanks for another awesome and interesting video! Glad to see that somebody is willing to *crunch the numbers* for some of us less... "mathematically inclined" lol
Thanks mate :)
@@b33croft (Oh hey, thanks for the heart! Much appreciated.)
9:18 it actually does a lot of impact,bc u just need frenzy basic to be a one shot headshot,even with silencers,so its more versatile,and u can carry flashbangs instesd of molotovs,giving u more survivability
I do say you need less berserker mate, so I agree with what you’re saying
I like running the Grom, with the right build you can get down to 3 detection and silenced.
Is stability important for high damage single-fire weapons? The time between shots is long enough that you'll have to aim again anyway, so having recoil after a shot isn't punishing.
For sure mate
I think stability between shots totally depends on the player. I'm no slouch, but definitely need higher end stability to be worth anything for consistent-ish headshots. If you're rock solid/can reacquire target while reloading then probably doesn't matter as much.
There is fun Easter egg with the platypus and Bodhi. If you headshot a taser with it,while being Bodhi you will explode it's head.
Haha so good!
Just wanted to say thanks for sticking to PayDay 2
You’re welcome mate :)
I come from the future to make you really question yourself.
*Do you really need stability on a weapon that doesn't fire even remotely close to a very slow submachine gun?*
Snipers are meant for the single hit works, and increasing stability *objectively* does not make it perform better. If stability meant that it interacts with your steadiness, then maybe I would consider it a worthy stat to look into, since it would reduce the likelihood of my aim being thrown off from being hit.
Stability is recoil, waiting 3 seconds for the sim to reset is not a good situation, a good stability allows you to shoot accurately again quicker. Could just be me
@@b33croft In my time playing PD2, I only found Stability important on auto-fired weapons, never single-fire. I could say my hand easily makes accurate shots without stability, but I don't want to make that claim.
Hey if you don’t need it you don’t need it. By itself though, the reason I gave is the technical reason, think of it as gun kicking high into the air, the Thanatos is the best example, flies high and is nowhere near ready for a follow up shot. But hey, like I said, and do in all these vids, purely subjective in a lot of cases and everyone should just use what they find fun and like the most, just like I do
The one I like the most is nagant because the funny bolt action rifle triggers a very specific part in my ape brain along with the reload it has
It is honestly one of the best Sniper weapons too. The low ones are just DRMS that trade all their ammo for being able to shoot through sheilds.
Heres the thing, ik this is a little old but the thantos 50 cal with the skill that makes you reload faster, and the skill that refunds 1 bullet per headshot, and if you bring a smg as a secondary, the thantos 50 cal might be the best sniper
(but def not for ds or above because you cant make a dodge build with it which is usually the only way u can win ds loud heists)
The R93 still sits at the top for me, i also abuse graze till theres no tomorrow so in heists that take place in buildings like Undercover and Panic Room are very welcoming of my bullets, sometimes reaching accuracy that surpasses 100%
I prefer the Nagant, the R93 is just a touch too slow ROF for me.
I honestly just picked the Walther 2000 out of the snipers because I loved the gun (cause it's pretty much just a german space gun). Seeing it ranked at the top at least once in it's life is awesome.
10:41
Ah, but this is misleading as the Thanatos can also take grip customizations!
I find the best way of using snipers in the low and medium damage categories is with iron sights, as it's better for close range most of the time
The Contractor is basically a DMR with all the benefits of snipers like Graze and piercing shields
Enjoy!
Contractor .308 is my fav sniper. Fan of using it in dodge/crit builds and plus you can never go wrong with John Wicks arsenal
Yea it’s awesome!
I have an idea that I hope you find interesting, after you complete every single weapon type tier list, make a worst to best of the best guns total, so do a top 3 guns from each weapon class in order to tell the community what you think are the best weapons overall instead of just each individual class, if you do it this way there should only be like a 7x3 = 21 gun tier list. Shouldn't be too difficult given you've done ones that have 70+ items to review, so an in depth yet still short tier list of the best guns in the game over every weapon class. Sorry I repeat myself at all I just wanna get my idea across because I think it'd be a great video and everyone who watches you will finally know the true best guns in the game.
My Repeater better be good- but I'm fully expecting the Contractor to be first lol
Or maybe the Grom?
Actually, the Rangehitter is good too... Bah, hard to guess!
mmm personally i like the grom/rangehitter over contractor
lebensauger feels like its gonna get hit with a nerf i think they over did it
Close!
To be fair with the Thanatos, I use the short barrel and red dot sight on a loud build and use it as a battle rifle instead of a Sniper that and I use it on heist I know a turret will more than likely appear.
Yea way too specialized for me mate, I can take a turret out with an assault rifle and still have a good weapon to use lol
@@b33croft True then again I'm still a noob at the game lol, but that's what I love about games like this, everyone has a different preference and use for items.
Wow, in the clip of that introduction you have better aim than the average Warframe player
Remember when the contractor was the meta for a bit with anarchist? Now we gotta use berserker to 0% health just to reach the max potential of damage
contractor is still really meta lol
It’s still awesome mate!
Great video. I would like to see the old into back
haha maybe it will return
Just got back from middle school what a great way to end it
Awesome!
Thanatos, AKA 50. Caliber boom stick, no wonder its ammo pick up is so low. Still, that's why we have secondary weapons. Plus.....some of the stuff you can do to that thing is just comical.
It much easier to snipe with shotguns. More than often I see a sniper at the other side of the map and I just point my sewed off at him. I never missed.
@@misterymisterio8778 With slugs i assume? Dont know why i feel the need to ask but, ya know.
@@jaywerner8415 Dragon's breath so I dont shoot twice in higher difficults.
Yea one shot minigun dozers is awesome
@@b33croft "Boom, headshot" Sniper TF2.
I really like the desert fox no matter what my shots always hit plus easy one tap kills.
I used to run a fn fal style rifle with a single fire mod as a dmr style. Got 100 accuracy with it so i could just run and gun whilst calming clicking everything
The “Rangehither” has to be my favorite sniper in the game.
Too bad it needs zerk for it to deal any sort of damage.
The huge plus is, it can quite easily run crits.
Yea, I use crits and berserker on it, love it
Payday 2 logic in a nutshell:wa 2000 is bigger as thanatos but for some reason,it has good concealment compare to thanatos
Yea a little crazy
Cus it looks like a 2x4, making you look like a construction worker and not a criminal obviously.
Ironically, I pair the Thanatos together with my Flamethrower Build for thr purpose of my Flamethrower being weak on Bulldozers.
I unironically like the Desertfox. I run a crit dodge graze build with the Desertfox modded for high concealment and 100 accuracy and consistently get the most kills in the lobby.
Still hip blasting with the contractor. YEET!
Would love to know if B33croft has a good dodge build with the lebensauger.
I use it with anarchist mainly
"The single loading isn't so bad compared to the cartridge rifles", while describing a cartridge fed rifle
Wrong. I’m taking about the repeater, it’s literally in the screen, single fed ammo mate
@@b33croft I'm nitpicking, single fed weapons still take cartidges, they're just fed from a tubular magazine
wrong again mate lol watch the in game animation, your character literally loads 1 single bullet at a time and your ammo goes up by 1 each time
@@b33croft ??? You stick in one cartridge at a time. Its not a bullet, its a cartridge. Every gun in the game that doesn't use explosives or arrows feeds cartidges" albiet from detachable magazines.
Well clearly I’m clueless then mate, cos I just call them single bullets going in lol
Yeah, finally a list for my favorite category! :D
Thank you for the good content! :)
I'm actually very surprised about the low rank of the Desert Fox. It's my favorite gun in Payday 2 to be honest. I'm always using it with Rogue Deck, Low Blow Basic, Graze Aced and Mag 10 as secondary weapon. I always liked it the most because it is the only high damage sniper rifle that can still reach high enough concealment for crit builds. However, maybe you are right and it is just overkill. I'll consider your information when I get back into the game. :)
The low accuracy wasn't an issue for me because I could still boost it up to 100 with weapon mods and skills.
Nagant makes me feel like in the trenchies shooting germany
Added a mod that classify galant as sniper. Most fun ever
When is every modification ranked worst to best
I love the nagant -JACK also loves bayonets
I am on xbox -JACK
Awesome!
My favorite sniper has to be the Kang Arms X1 just because I love the stability on it and it makes such a satisfying sound. Although my favorite might be changed after I give the newly buffed Lebensauger a try
Agree!
I remember when the Thanatos was king then people realized "hey wait this thing sucks!"
Haha same
Oh i was about to search a few hours ago if you have made one about snipers yet well now i know :D
Perfect