'90 Chevy 454 SS vs '94 Ford Lightning F150 MuscleTrux Wars Part 1 - Trucks! S10, E1
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2019
- It's the start of our MuscleTrux series and to kick it off, it's the oldest matchup in the book, Ford versus Chevy. Ryan's taking a 1990 454 SS Chevy while Kevin's picking a '94 Ford Lightning. Today, we're gonna find out just how much these two trucks will put out in their stock form so each guy can formulate a secret plan to push both of these trucks towards the 400 horsepower mark. Then later in the season, we'll pit them head to head to see which one comes out on top.
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@Robert LaPointe lol.no..no it doesnt
Robert LaPointe itll beat them until the POS HEMI engine destroys itself
Poor Robert.... Grew up never knowing what's beyond a Dodge 😂 must have been a hand me down like sibling clothes 😂
@Robert LaPointe Why does Ford and GM have exponentially more wins in Nascar, Nastruck, NHRA, off road truck racing, ect? Is because Dodge feels SOOOOOO bad for Ford and GM that they let them win time and time again? Oh yeah, aren't they owned by Fiat now? One of the worst reliability ratings an auto manufacturer can get!
@Robert LaPointe good luck with that electical system and cheap plastic.
When he opened the door of that Chevy, I could instantly smell the interior. Weird how some smells just stay in your memory forever.
Yep. Smelled like cigarettes and disappointment.
Mallard I am so glad I’m not alone.
smell is the sence closest to one brain(memory) the impluse of that sence hitting the memory bank faster. look it up
Smells like shit!!!!!
Old wet carpet
Kevin and Ryan look like default Autozone and O Riley’s employees
Scathing!
Except they know what a carb is.....probably.
William Gonzalez That’s pretty funny actually.
@@NoViews1975 Bread?
That's their goal .
It's all about image .
My first car was a black 94 lightning. I absolutely loved that truck. One day while I was driving and minding my own business, I was hit by a driver who ran a red light. Totaled the truck, but I walked without a scratch. I parted the truck out and now the drivetrain is in a Country Squire Wagon somewhere in Michigan and the body panels that were still good went to fix another lightning. Hopefully one day I’ll drive one again.
Dam! sucks about the truck but it possibly saved your life
@@mattbourgoyne3613 Yeah probably! That’s what’s important at the end of the day.
I guess that it didn't possibly save your life it did save your life because you are here today even though it may have not been really really bad but some people die in some accidents that leave you scratching your head wondering how in the hell did they die in such a minor fender bender but it happens but that's when Ford was still "tough" too , at least she still lives on some what anyway kind of like some poor soul that has gotten killed somehow early in their life and ended up helping some other poor soul that was in dire need of a heart and another one needing a kidney or whatever so its like they are still around kind of so lol if you catch my drift
@@mattbourgoyne3613 This is very true Matt. Thanks for the perspective
I hope to own one soon. I think my wife may be on board
OMG, that exhaust looks like Stevie Wonder was tryin out a new Harbor Freight welder!
rashim kallihar isn’t she lovely
It look like the exhaust came from Harbor Freight too not just the welder 😂
It's not the machine. It's the moron operating it.
@@nathanhill2044 😂😂😂
@@Dr.Westside agreed! I've made weld porn with a little crappy sears and roebuck stick welder back in the day.
This is my era...I was in high school when these came out!
And y’all never got one 🤦🏻♂️
Josh C. Hahaa
1994... I was 13.
@@santiceja8758 ive got a 454ss. Still working on it. Its really hard to find things for it. Mainly time and money....😂😂😂
DUNE YXZ I’m in high school right now and I like 2nd gen gm trucks. I find them looking like behemoths!
Neither truck stock is messing with a Syclone or Typhoon.
Yeah I heard what he said and immediately thought "now that's a bunch of horseshit"
RedfishCarolina yeah right bo
@leo c smoked*
No joke! Almost 300 horsepower in a turbo little V6 little truck... Power to weight, baby. Syclone was a little rocketship.
@@JoeIsCrazyWillman Don't forget it is AWD giving it instant traction to get up and go.
The transmission in the Ford is not an E40D (ee forty dee), it's an E4OD (ee four oh dee). As in, Electronic shift, 4 speed, OverDrive.
Just a little FYI. :)
I mentioned the same thing, they just lost their hotroder card
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was bothered by that.
What does E40D stand for then?
Michael Bloom they're Chevy guys can't blame them
@@alexpayne1523 re-read original comment.
You guys are bringing back some nice memories. Got a tear in my eye, cause I had that Ford back in the late 90's. I loved her so much.
These trucks look so much better than the new ones out now.
Hell yeah. I want a chevy of this vintage wirh a LS swap
No just no
@@msw7021 no negative
And they’re way more simple and reliable
@@bilbobaggins4710 🤮🤢
454 BB, 230 horses. Sad times in the 90's.
GM had a pickup with a turbo 4.3l and AWD that made 280hp and 350tq at the time. It'd beat the piss out of that Lightning
The poor horsepower/torque specs were not due to GM's design, but directly due to EPA regulators. The engineering knowledge base and technology simply was not up to the level of what the EPA was mandating at the time. Kinda like when they first started mandating EGR and DPF's on diesel trucks. They were horrible when first introduced. While they still aren't a perfect system, they have gotten better and will continue to do so as the technology advances. They should have compared a '93 SS with the '94 Lightning though. Much better comparison as most all trucks get better and better every few years. It doesn't make sense to compare a truck that is 4 years older than the one your comparing it too. Might as well compare a brand new Civic R to a 1978 Camaro. Complete waste of time by these two morons!
Jay Stein Not the supercharged Voodoo one
@@randomprojectsusa5196 The supercharged Lighting didn't show up until '99. That's an eternity when it comes to engine tech advances. Again, they were comparing early 90's naturally aspirated trucks.
Micheal Hunt
Ain’t that the truth lol nowadays you plug a tunner in to get more horse power
I am a chevy guy, but the lightning was a better truck stock.
Better potential with the 454...
There's no replacement for displacement!
Salty Steel turbo, supercharger?
@@andrewfotopoulos7766 I hope this series finds it
Andrew Fotopoulos lightings got a supercharger later on... Replacement for displacement.
This aired back in early 2000 lol brings back memories
Watching this again seriously made me feel 16 again
I remember seeing it. I had a 1994 Chevy Cheyenne 1500 as my first vehicle. It only had the 4.3 and I wanted a 454SS in the worst way. Seeing this episode and how easily that truck in the show laid rubber didn't help that any lol
8 mpg and 195hp to the wheels😂
Adam, nawh 10 mpg's
Also 290-300 torque from a package that was all but choked to death by emissions regulations. Let that engine breath and you'd see all three numbers increase
Yea but gas was cheaper then
@@jasonvoorhees6657 yes, I lived in Wyoming during this time and gas was under a buck a gallon.
A testament to how much lower the cost of living was back then. These days, 8 mpg would make a vehicle useless as a daily driver....but 8 mpg back then was like 15 mpg today.
A slight giggle came out when he said “Kick a few Syclones to the curb”. Hahaha
LOL yea that's not going to happen .
man. same. LOL
Lmao i was gonna say the same thing but you beat me to it
Except it didn't. The Cyclone's Typhoons and Cameos are still the fastest quarter mile pickups.
Timothy Isenhart oh I know.
This was best. Real project, real budget.
I've always been partial to the lightning I just love the way they look and sound
5:32 Love the piece of mig wire still stuck to that awful exhaust weld on the lightning. :)
Mrdumbfellow did they remove the 02 sensors as well???
All anyone can do is grind away the shame.. you know it's a crap weld when the evidence is just looking you back in the face.. metal holding hands Not a Weld..
Lol
@@AtZero138 haha, as they say "Grinders and paint make me the welder I aint"
@@AtZero138 heh I would say most of my work is just holding hands. Says a lot about the previous owner when they don't even bother clipping that wire though :)
Always loved the squat aggressive stance of the Lightning.
Man... that Lightning still looks amazing and fresh design wise in 2019. Love it!
Yea it’s not fat and bulky like the new one, its nice and simple
Later 454SS trucks gained 20hp to 255, 4speed od trans and 4.10 limited slip gears. Vast improvement over this truck
Yep, much more expensive now though
Yes , Thank You
It might be able to keep up with the Ford then LOL
@@lanemorrow5513 the fORd obviously had been modified and had no cats.
That ford was slow for stock...ive had 2 lightnings
That exhaust on the Lightning is what is known as booger welding.
Two Hillbillies with a car battery and a coat hanger, LOL.
And probably done by a guy named Booger, too.
We call that look 'chicken shit'. Just plop some on, here and there....
230 HP from a 454 is a feat of engineering in itself.
At the same time they had the syclones and typhoons.
@@lenagdyfigpkhhmossuto9623 And for EPA reasons, they still were limited on what they were allowed to put out hp wise. And car manufacturers just weren't there yet with having a high horsepower fuel injected engines priced for the masses, with low enough emissions to pass the federal regulations. All while getting decent fuel mileage. Fuel injection by the times these trucks were produced had only really been widespread available for 8-10 years. They had along ways to go to get them were they needed to be.
Obviously you've never heard of an LSX
@@lenagdyfigpkhhmossuto9623 Then why would they suggest that its hard to get 230 hp out of a 454?
@@drewinhou You have no idea what your talking about. Fuel injection had been around since the late 70's. The Eldorado was not only fuel injected but front wheel drive. Camaro's and Monte Carlo's in the 80's you could get with a fuel injected 305.
The Gen 1 Lighting is a beast even from factory!!! Love them!! Wish I still had mine!!
Ford is down 100 cubes and still comes out on top. No surprise.
any motor chevy had in the 90s was a straight up dog then when the introduced the 4.8-6.1 they took the game over because everyone is ls swapping now
kylepett1 then ford took the cake with the gen 3 coyote
@@kylepett1 LT1's weren't dogs
Lmao these are both bone stock trucks with around 100,000 miles on them,at this point who cares,wait and see what happens when the 454 gets properly set up,and the Ford small block gets the same the 454 will destroy the sbf! I remember both trucks when they came out,Ford never could keep up back then!
@@BUILTFORDTOUGH79 Ford didn't take anything over, where do you fellas get this crap from? The 90s LT1s killed 302 Fords,then the LS1 came out and the rest is history, the only fast Fords back then needed help with nitrous or boost,they never could keep up NA!
My dad had a 454 SS. I'm not a truck guy, but I liked that truck. Lot of torque, decent handling for a truck of that time. I always imagined he'd give it to me one day, but someone stole it.
I miss waking up on Saturday mornings in high school and tuning in to these shows. The feels man, the feels.
I use to own one of those Chevy's 454SS; it's the reason I drive a Toyota Tacoma today.
Plus the 4.0 V6 would leave a 454SS in the dust, let alone the newer 3.5
That was dumb
I like how ford can make the same and even more power from smaller blocks
Pretty much what they are known for.
@Dave Micolichek yup yup. when you go to the track almost all those fox body mustangs running 8s and 7s have big block chevys under the hood.
@@satown2150 Lies lies
@@bradnimbus4836 he’s telling the truth.
@@anthonyhuntley4498 Not around these parts, he isn't
I like the crossovers to other shows and hosts! 😎
Love this. That generation of Chevy is still one of my favorites. Loved the step side with a bell tech drop in black.
Awesome! Can't wait for part 2!
I’m a Chevy guy but I still have respect for this Ford lighting
I appreciate that.
I am a ford guy but I still have respect for the lighting
I remember this episode specifically! This is great!
Same
Thought I slept and woke up in 1995, well done video, well done.
Lmao.. I was relieved to see that the exhaust welds were worse than mine..
That is THE ABSOLUTE WORST weld I've ever seen in my entire life in that Ford exhaust... Jesus Christ... They handed a blind man a welder
I'm deaf too.
I am blind and I do better than that. This seems like after 20 beers to me.
Graduated from the Helen Keller special welding school
Rusty Stuff Do you know why Hellen Keller’s leg was yellow? Her dog was blind too!
Looks like Ray Charles welded it with his feet.
I bought a 454SS new in ‘90 and just by changing the factory air cleaner to a 5” open element along with the Edelbrock intake made a huge difference. Then I changed out the factory y-pipe to the ‘92 SS dual y-pipe with cats and true duals our back completely transformed that truck. Intake and exhaust is choking that big block and you’ll see when you get into it .
I really like how well your video was put together! I can tell you two guys know what yall are doing!!! Just subbed and added notifications. Cant wait to see how these trucks come out.
That’s 4 years of technology difference
And neither truck really changed the years they were made. There really isnt any difference between a 93-95 lightning except 94 later blocks were roller cam ready...
Not so much. Ford was always ahead of Chevy in the Performance realm. The '87-on Musangs ran circles around their Z28 & IROC roadmates.
@303StreetMachines been fords go to since then. Just slap a supercharger on everything because our motors can't compete with the modern marvel that is the LS series motors.
4:43 my phone died
If you ever owned a 94 95 lightning, then you know how important it is for the switch that flips the gas tanks to work.
My buddy has a f250 with a 460 and dual tanks he uses the secondary tank every three days due to it sucking on gas luckily he just bought a 2.2 s10 for a daily
Great series! Please continue posting.
Can’t believe this was filmed in 2019, it seems so old, perhaps early 90’s
MrBaeza1994 I was filmed about 10 years ago, I remember watching it when I was about 12.
That’s because these truck/car shows continue to follow a rubric that predates even the 90s you think it represents. I prefer it, especially when alternatives are essentially absurd reality TV shows.
This is older. I watched every episode with my old man every weekend 😂
I won’t to try what you’re smok’n.....🤯
"it's a wonder this truck even runs" well it'll run with open headers so I don't think a few bad welds are gonna shut it down
Damn The nostalgia! I watched these episodes when i was in middle school
Lame production. Just a bunch of wanna-be's
Can't wait to number two vid
Love this. I'm waiting!
The polite jabs they throw back and forth are great haha
The lightning takes the cake with looks that truck is beautifull!!!!
The lightning was a very nice truck .
Time to visually restore these beasts!
"Wide open throttle " the most American sounding song with all the potential for greatness lol i didn't know i needed a 454 ss tell this video thanks -Trucks!
When I started driving I always wanted one of these bad boys! Heck I still want one!
I had a truck with that 454 back in the 90’s. It was such a dog..
I got to experience a brand new 454 SS run against me twice in the quarter mile in Youngstown Ohio in 1990. It was a 16 second truck.
@Steven Lindsey, the 1988 Police Package Caprice with an LS5 454 and nitrous I was racing ran a 13.2 WELL ahead of that truck, lol.
I use to spank those 454 ss's with my 89 chevy stepside back in the day, only thing done was headers, lil more than stock cam, they were lame!
Steven Lindsey Your Corolla is almost 20 years newer obviously it’s gonna have more power. Everyone knows American v8s struggled to make good power after the Emission laws took place. If you were to carburetor/head swap that 454. It would be making at least 400 hp to the wheels.
Steven Lindsey Yeah if you want to make more then 500 hp to the wheels. There’s plenty of low compression 454’s making mid 400 hp with just a top end swap. All depends on your build.
GMC Syclone would smoke both of those trucks stock.
It weighs a lot less than both of these trucks
You dam right
@@dufus2273 funny guy
O no shit, the syclone didn't even weight 4000lb it was all wheel drive backed up with a 4.3 Turbo'd engine that was a little truck that got a reputation for smokin Ferraris in the 90s what's a lighting and a 454!? Ya know!👌
But im not gonna lie the lighting and the 454 were pretty badass
My grandpa daily drove a lightning when I was a kid as a daily driver. I literally watched him use it to haul hay. I’m not a ford guy but there is a certain amount of nostalgia I get when I see a lightning.
I appreciate this type of content
Haha, the ford makes like 35 more hp and the same amount of torque with 103 less cubes
It's an emission game. You dont think the same ford product would have beat out the 454 Chevy in 1970 do you?
sonofthesheriff no but a 1970s 460 would which is equal
And a whole 3 hundredths of a second faster because it's doing what a normal ford does. Sucking at putting the power on the ground.
@@willc3586 Its 3 tenths, not 3 hundredths. Which if you were a drag racer, you'd know is a lot.
@@willc3586 tenths, not hundredths....on a hundred less cubes.
They should of came with a 5 spd from the factory
@Robert LaPointe
He meant manual transmission, not automatic transmission
Robert LaPointe my 2016 Jeep Cherokee is a 9 speed auto. It doesn’t get any better mileage than my 4 speed Mazda.
@Robert LaPointe the current 10 speed that Ford and Chevy share is great, it shifts faster than any person could and because of the amount of gears it gets better gas milage and accelerates faster than a 5 speed manual could.
Robert LaPointe both are 4 cylinders, 4x4 Jeep, it averages around 26 mpg, my Mazda with a couple mods would average 28.
@@noelmedina6925 while all that is true, it's also a hell of a lot more expensive. A simple clutch is a damn sight cheaper to replace than those shift packs. I WISH my '93 had an NV4500.
Really wish Ford would make a Lightning again. Love the Raptor but a sport truck would be a nice addition.
Thanks for posting this! Any chance of a Part 2 in the future?
I love how these guys talk about 140,000 miles like high mileage. My Silverado with 297,000 in the driveway is crying listening to them.
Thank you for this video from Saudi Arabia 🙏❤️🌹
Go ride a Lamborghini boi
@@claude6318 Those who live outside Saudi Arabia calculate that we ride luxury cars 😂😂😂 but if I have a Lamborghini you will find me here? 🤔
I have a 2000 tahoe limited that will eventually get an engine rebiuld or replacement, but i dont know where to start
This was in my era too. I had a 1994 Dodge Dakota sport with a 318 and 5 speed manual trans. These 2 trucks got to see my taillights on a regular basis.
I knew a guy with a 5sp 318 Dakota reg cab around '99. He embarrassed a couple of 5.9 rt Dakotas at the track. Those were some. >R< eal. >T< urds back then
When these were new, the Ford walked the 454.....still take the SS. Now had Chevy grown a set of balls and did the 454 right it would have been king!
Same...Old chevy trucks are just more sexy
The King's Servant almost 30 years later and it still is
@@theman68and1 no...It's not
It wasn't about balls, they did the best they could given the limitations of the time. That was (sadly) as much power as they could coax out of the old big block and still meet 1990 emissions laws. ALL cars were dogs in the 80's and 90's, as manufacturers hadn't yet figured out how to meet emissions without de-tuning their engines beyond all reason.
Big blocks from both companies were pooches in that era.. emissions killed alot of power in the 90s.. as far as the chevy looks better, I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder.. but as I wrote in another post I've owned both trucks and both were black, the lightning got more looks than the Chevy.. so you can like which ever.. in my personal opinion the 78-79 fords and box Chevys of the same era kick both their assis
Jesus 200hp out of a 454. That’s embarrassing now days.
It is. My 5.3L, 325, makes more power with 225k miles on it.
it was embarrassing in 1990
I remember watching this on Saturday mornings with my grandpa. I love those memories
A friend of mine had a red Lightening just like this one,he did some mods on it including a Paxton Supercharger which made it a real drag racing machine,the only other truck that could touch him at the local track was a Dodge RumbleBee. One of them would win one week and the other the next week. Both of them would run the quarter mile in the mid to high 13 second range. That Lightening would plant you in the seat at wide open throttle
Lightning anyday of the week, twice on Sunday..
Part 2??
I loved watching this back in the day.
That man that ran that show was a real man! Think about most of us man used to wake up early sunday morning as we are used to waking up M-F for work. And knows about our daily routine, work and work on cars... this man is a real business man. Great shows.
5:41 😂i love how they even left a piece of mig wire hanging from the garbage welds! Looks like stevie wonder works part time in a muffler shop.
A piece of wire. More like several pieces lmao. Booger welds haha
A piece of wire. More like several pieces of wire haha. Booger welds lmao
@@breimer87 yeah I commented that before they got to the rest of the exhaust😂 sad to say I was welding 5 x better than this before I was even in highschool. Built my own exhaust for my f150 when I was 17 and all we had was a oxy acetylene torch and a stick welder from the ww2 era. Hell I even took two sections of pipe and pie cut then with a sawzall , welded them back together and made a large cowbell exhaust tip.even made the thing shoot flames with some primary wire, a switch, and old coil,and spark plug. I couldn't even imagine kids these days doing any of that.They are too busy with their fortnite, or whatever game is out lol
That's what you get with unions
E-forty-d
E-four-oh-Dee
That's a letter not a number
Chevy guys, lol
Great episode
Syclone is still the baddest muscletruck ever
Geez this episode takes me back, I remember watching this a long time ago, on Spike TV! PowerBlock is probably one of the many reasons why I work on cars professionally now! 👨🏼🔧
I bought the same year lightning a few years ago, huge fan. I'm a FORD guy through and through, but that Chev 454 is sexy too. Appreciate the video.
The welding wire still hanging from the "weld".... 😂😂😂
Absolute garbage video. Just a bunch of hacks pretending to be cool
I guess when you have millions of dollars backing you, a cheap little Rear main seal isn't important...
Mustabeenoverlooked mhmm
what's so bad about a RMS?
When you're able to do the work yourself it's still just a cheap little rear main seal.
The leaking rear main seal isn't hurting anything for now. It's more of an annoyance and it probably only leaks when the engine is shut off anyhow.
GM verses ford 454 head to head with a 351 that is about par for the coarse!
Can’t wait for part 2
Blast from the past! SS454 Ford lighting cyclone/typhoon I really miss those days..
16:20 TN State Route 840?
I don't care which one win I love both!!!!!😍🥰😍🥰
I like the idea of having a small block pulling the same power as a big block saving a lot of weight and using most of the engine
Love those trucks, I haven't seen either of them on the road in so long. Last time I saw a Lightning was in 2002.
Love the Red on a Ford Ute, I own a True Red Ford Ranger XLT 4x4 ❤
"Kick a few Syclones to the curb" yea, that never happened....
Lmao exactly what I thought while watching this.
Exactly.
And how many years separated them? Kevin said it best. Even the few years that separated these 2 made a huge difference.
@@SGTJDerek well the Syclone was made in 1991. The first lightning was 1993. Even the 2nd gen Supercharged Lightning was slower in the 1/4 Mile.
bokesch what rock have you been hiding under
2:49 "Kick a few Syclones to the curb." Lmao. Anyone who calls themselves a car guy and doesn't know that the Syclone was the quickest vehicle in 1990 famously gapping a Ferrari in a drag race.
I need MORE!
Love that coat-hanger weld job on the Ford....LOL!
The gt-40 looking intake really helped the 351. I love Lightings!
Where can I see part 2
A really interesting project!!
A 4L80 would be awesome, a cam intake , maybe headers, it be Awesomely awesome, a set of aluminum heads, who could ask for more, in a street engine!!
E"40"D, lol!
They should have said E4OfDeath lol. Ford should have put a ZF5 behind the 351
Uuuugh...
@@68dylan68 The one-two shift in my 95' Lightning would throw your head through the back glass and scratch rubber. The E4OD was a great trans.
This is badass.
Were can i finish watch the rest of the episodes
are these episodes from 2019 bcuz they look 2004 or that mid 2000s look
Adam White Sr. Yea they’re from around 02 or so
Lol
I'd be interested to see the people in the video today
They're from 2010, just stick around until the end.
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