Just got this saw about 2 weeks ago and have put it through it's paces. I am actually pleasantly surprised by the fence. When I was assembling the saw I was a bit let down by the quality of it (taking into account the price I wasn't expecting it to be perfect) but when I assembled it and locked it in place it does look to be lining up at 90 deg to be fair. I haven't completed a lot of long rip cuts yet though so I'll hold off on the final judgment till then. The miter gauge is a complete waste of time. I have a cross cut sled built now and have seen a few videos on how to alter them for angled cuts too so think I'll have a crack off that! Thanks for the video. I did watch if before I bought the saw and thought for the price it seems a good deal. So far I'm happy with it but again I've only had it with 2 weeks so we'll see how it goes!
Thank you for posting this video, I have had a titan table saw for the last five years and have been looking at addressing the issues you dealt with, especially the fence, for some time and your video has given me the spark to do so, Thank you Dean, take care and happy new year to you.
I have the same saw and have mounted it in a bench and out a 6mm MDF top on top of the steel table with aluminium channels fitted ( purchased from Axminster Tools ) This also gives you plenty of thickness to make a decent zero clearance blade plate. Ten out of ten for keeping the riving knife and the mod to it.!!
Some great accessories you’ve made there. Aside from the problems with the fence, the old Titan saw is capable of serious work. I’ve abused mine no end. I’ve run loads of 8x4 sheets of plastic through it & cut up loads of free pallets for the wood burner. It’s probably not the most accurate if you’re doing precise work but I think it’s ok for the price. Saxton Blades are much better value than Screwfix for replacement blades.
Good video. I bought mine 4 years ago and got it from screwfix for £65 as the box was all bashed. I asked if it was damaged and the girl said that it was only the box but if there was any problems just return it for a refund. I have been using it regularly and like yourself made a sledge for cross cutting. I tried making a zero clearance plate but after a while I fitted a complete 10mm laminated MDF top ( not ply ) ha ha which makes the fence slide very easily after a rub down with some candle wax. I just lift the top off when I need to tilt the blade or use the sledge. I made a fence similar to your one and it works almost perfectly, give or take 0.02 degrees. Which is acceptable to me. I made a small table for my router similar to the one you have on your saw and after seeing yours I might make one for the saw. As you say the legs take up a lot of space but it is very stable and I was afraid I might lose the stability. Great video with a lot of ideas.
I got this saw today to rip decking, the fence was a bit wobbly for 3m rips, I just used 2 clamps on some wood to push against the fence. I'm thinking I may copy this guide .... It's great!
Brilliant, really helpful. Haven't found much use for this table saw as I need to cut accurately. Definitely going to make some of the upgrades you've suggested here and try again. Many thanks!
Looks similar to my Einhell table saw. However I could have played Crown Green Bowls on the table. I made my own table and fence from 18mm Plywood. Not perfect but it works
I came across your channel because of this video and it's always good to find another Uk woodwork channel to subscribe to! 👍 I don't have a table saw but have thought about buying the Titan one in the past, but I don't have enough space for a table saw at the moment. If I was gonna buy one I'd go for the Evolution Rage 5s, for occasional use (hobby woodworker). Your video about this Titan saw was really interesting, useful and well presented. Nice one!
Thanks Tony! The Rage is a great saw that is also pretty easy to upgrade. I think the fence is pretty good though already. Cross cut sleds are almost a must have with just about any saw because the mitre gauge everyone supplies is rubbish. Good luck on your woodwork Journey!
Ah you rear movement. I have just broken mine up as motor exploded when cutting 2 in old oak. The back back and front swing bearing are similar and very sturdy. Check the plastic retaining block is secured properly by two cross head screws and the rear assembly Allen screws are up solid. For replacement don’t bother unless you are going to spend well over £300. The new machines of this format with a variety of manufacturers labels are heavily production engineered and not of the substance of this one. You can pay up to £220 and all you will buy is an expensive blade in a poorly and sometimes rather unsafe design. Their is a stability issue with many hence the extra leg extension on the back. No rear outfeed table as this would overpower the leg extensions. The blade plate in plastic cannot be remade as the new hinges get in the way and the moulding is thus too thin. The blade rear guide whose name temporarily deserts me, is flexible and if the upper dust extractor is fitted can interrupt flow of work. The fence is difficult to lock adequately and the angle guide of vague ability. All this can be solved with work and knowledge but it is being sold to a diy market where people are not necessarily safety oriented. Here I speak having been an ex production engineer and a safety officer. Hold on to what you have and then spend at a substantially higher level.
I really like your upgrades, I have an Einhell table saw, which is similar to the Titan. I have some of the same issues especially the mitre slots and the rip fence, I made a bracket which I bolt to the outside of the table and a threaded bar is used to lightly press against the back of the fence to stop it moving away from the blade. I have made a sled similar to yours, very useful. One thing to watch out for with these budget priced saws is that the blade supplied may not be as sharp as it could be, I had my blade sharpened lately and the difference in the performance of the saw is amazing. Good saw for the price despite it's flaws. Happy new year and keep up the good work. Paul.
Interesting video...you have opened up a can of worms here! I've had my Titan saw for more than two years now. I think it was £99.99 but went down to £80 for a while. I think the model has been updated as yours does look slightly different with a better build quality and the table looks better (I have additional support legs on the flimsy side extension panels for instance and the table wasn't flat until I spent an afternoon using a rubber hammer and a straight edge on it). I too have made a similar base for the unit (it looks the twin of yours, are we related? :-) . I use it to store push blocks, finger boards additional blade etc.) but I think I'm going to box it in and put a door on it to keep out the dust. I might even add a dust tray under the unit. Looks like you may have cut down the original crown guard plate to make your riving knife - quite a standard mod. I kept the original and made a riving knife one from 2mm aluminium sheet just in case - it works fine, even when I'm ripping down 8' and 4" fence post for legs to rustic benches. I want to use the crown guard again sometime as the dust extraction isn't too bad, useful when cutting MDF in my little 12'x 8' shop . The table sled I made used acrylic runners and works fine with a little machine wax. Never been happy with the mitre gauge - not accurate and slops all over the place. I tried putting aluminium tape on it but that didn't help the fit. In the end I made a mitre attachment on another table sled (sled with a triangle on it...duh! ) that works well. I suggest you make a pallet sled (flat board on a runner with a little fence at the top that is cut level with the blade) this is most useful for safely cutting flat panels that are wider than they are long - you can also use it to make angled cuts of different degrees. I agree the Titan fence is a bit flimsy and may tail out at the end of a cut but it seems OK at the start of a cut where it really matters. Once the teeth hit the wood in the right place the rest is pretty much history. Having said that I really like your fence solution (you can add fences for spline cutting or mortise tendons to make a cut. Nice one! Thanks for the video and I hope this feedback helps! P.S. I now also now have a Rage Evolution 5 saw. It's good but it has it's own problems!
Second attempt at a comment first one a bit rude apparently. Just bought one of these saws and used for the first time today. First cut was measured with a digital vernier calliper length of cut .5 of a meter width of cut 25 mm thickness of material 18 mm . Saw cut very smoothly excellent cut edge clean variation along length was .2 of a mm this using the standard stock fence which goes against what this video is suggesting also ease of operation of the supplied fence was brilliant where as this modification fence looks poor and it also looks to big and bulky. I think there are over 200 reviews on the Screwfix website of this saw and can’t say I’ve seen any reviews reporting problems with the fence. I can only presume you have not assembled it correctly. It’s early days but so far I would not hesitate to recommend THIS HIGHLY Accurate brilliant saw. If you go back and read the instructions manual and assemble correctly you don’t need to make a fence the one supplied is brilliant accurate and easy to use.
Good video mate. I looked at these before buying and the fence and mitre gauge really put me off! Same issue with the slightly more expensive evolution. I agree with you though for the money, it’s a pretty good buy. Excellent mods too! 👍🏼 I ended up spending a little more on a metabo in the end (not that much more actually as it was a returned stock deal, and I had to fix the tilt mech but it works a dream now!). Btw If you need a mitre saw, the evolution is VERY good for the money. 👍🏼
Thanks very much! Funnily enough I was looking at a second hand Metabo, but I read that the blade up/down mechanism was weird? I had an evolution mitre saw for years and it was excellent when I was doing metalwork. Frustratingly it blew up recently and took out the house fuses as the motor went up in a puff of smoke 😢
There's a useful vid on this platform re: solving the design niggle on the Metabo - from a Suffolk boat-builder. I'll try to find a link if anyone wants it.
Thanks for the vid cheap it is and maybe for 80% of work prob ok , but I think I’ll spend more don’t want to regretting in a year or so , I e bought so much disappointing stuff and I end up flogging and getting something else . 👍
Cross cut sleds are great in my opinion, but really spend the time to be super accurate on the fence closest to you. There’s something called the 5 cut method which is incredibly helpful to help you get accurate. I think the chap who came up with it is William Ng so search for that on RUclips, Jonathan Katz Moses also made a great video explaining it when making a sled. Best of luck!
I bought this saw a few weeks ago having never owned or used a table before. I used it today fir 1st time and found the exact problem with the fence. It really frustrated me. After watching this video I'm going to build a new fence. Thanks. I'm also going to build a sled too. The slots are very shallow how did you get the runners that thin to accommodate?
I can’t remember exactly, but I think it was just a lot of cutting, sanding, trial and error. Regarding side to side wiggle though, if they’re a hair too thin, pack bits of paper or something between the runner and inside edge of the mitre slot. The inside edge on the other side as well. That means the runners are both pushed to their respective outer edges. Stick them to the underside of the sled and there will be zero wiggle 👍
Just a update on my earlier comment after making a whole host of different width and length cuts all I can say the supplied fence is brilliant and certainly no need for any modifications which mirrors the reviews on the Screwfix website. Also given the price of this saw I think it is fantastic value and your review is extremely harsh on a brilliant solid accurate table saw
I came on RUclips to see if anyone had any solutions to the very issues in this video i was pleasantly surprised all 3 are addressed in one video. Like anything we buy theres good and bad you obviously struck lucky with a good one.
It's a pity the manufacturers don't put a little bit more thought into the design and QC aspects of their products. Granted, they're cheap - but how much might some improvements eat into profit margins? And once made, any improvements would only bolster market share - more profits. This is surely short-sighted on their part. Particularly when we factor in what they will be paying for labour (often dubious ethics) and raw materials.
Hey man, great video. Quick question - where did you get the riving knife for this? The one that came with my saw is too high and has the blade guard mounts on it which are annoying …
Thanks! My riving knife is the original just cut to be the same height at the top of the blade. It’s not something I advocate doing and you may open yourself up to certain safety issues, so I can’t promote doing that long if thing 😊
Enjoyed your vid have subscribed to your channel I had the same saw for the price and once you do the tweaks it can be a reasonable saw I’ve upgraded to the evolution rage5s again once it’s been set up it’s great for me well worth the money
Hi, Great video. At the end you show the issue with the wobbeling of the sawblade left to right. I've just bought an Einhell 2225,, and sadly my blade does the same.. And pretty much has the same things going on as your table saw. mechanism I can't get my blade perfectly 90dgrs.... I'm considering to replace the tabletop... Does anyone has some advice perhaps?? THX
Hey mate, first time viewer enjoyed the video. I have seen a titan table saw second hand crazy cheap and am trying to work out whether to pull the trigger on it. I appears to have a mega rusty blade, I assume they are pretty easy to change? I will subscribe, good work.
great video very helpful, did you cut your riving knife down? the original riving knife is higher than the blade thus using a cross cutting jig would be imposible, would very much appreciate your advise. many thanks in advance.
Hi Paul, yes I did cut mine down however I can’t recommend modifying any safety equipment. I felt that as long as it didn’t go below the blade It would be ok, but, I’m in no way a professional or someone to advise others to do the same, I hope you understand 😊
IF money was no object, I'd be looking at battery TSs. As we've learned lately - corporate owned energy supply is no friend to public good. I doubt the present spikes are going to be a one off. On that basis - the electricity draw for charging batteries vs the use of something with a 1500 - 2000w motor is thrown into stark relief. Going down the battery route, at least for the better quality machines, is a considerable expense, probably beyond the means of a lot of people, but it would mean future proofing. + you can often find 'after market' batteries which are much cheaper, and nowadays pretty good quality
Hi, thanks for sharing these designs, I’m new to using a table saw, done a little simple woodwork before & im having a go at making the fence.. what length bar did you use please? And what other hardware did you need to install the bar? Many thanks 😊
Hi Collette, I bought a metre length of threaded bar and then just used a hacksaw to cut it to whatever length looked right lol As for other hardware, just nuts from what I remember. Obviously screws holding it all together.
Hi dude. Great video. Had this saw for ages and it never gives any kind of a true cut with the stuff that comes with it in the box. I had made myself a VERY crude mitre sled which kinda worked but like you said on your video, the slots are not exactly easy to work with either. Could you made a 45° angle block clamp to go onto your the sled you've already made perhaps? I'm gonna give yours a go anyway :) Thank you.
Thanks very much! Yes I could have made something within the cross cut sled for angles, but I didn’t really think of that beforehand so it didn’t really have the space unfortunately. I’ve now changed the saw to something else and will probably show some jig projects in future videos, including something for angles 😊
@@WoodworkJourney it's all so helpful. Just watched your video on the bandsaw too which I've been looking at. I did try to mill a 2inch piece of oak with the Titan table saw but it genuinely almost made the wood catch fire hahaha 🔥 had to mill it by hand which was NOT fun! My little epoxy box is coming along though! Have you found that flat piece around the saw helping for offcuts and sawdust falling into the vacuum chamber under the blade? I haven't bothered with that yet and that is a nightmare to clean and pretty dangerous if you don't.
The little flat piece as in the zero clearance for the bandsaw or table saw? Either way they’re both super helpful and I’ve had cleaner and safer cuts with both 😊
Hi I like your video I have a titan table saw I like your upgrades lots and I will be making them I have one question your Wheels on the bottom do you have 4 lockable wheels or just 2 thank you for your help and videos Mark
Thank you for doing this video, the fence that you made looks so much more reliable than the awful one that comes with it! Hopefully with your upgrades I’ll be able to cut a genuinely straight line!! 🤣 I don’t know if my blade moves with the dust port (I will be checking this out) but my riving knife does go off to the left. It is causing me a major headache as it stops the work piece from moving past the blade. I’ve tried popping some shims in under the bolts but doesn’t cure it. 😩
@@WoodworkJourney I’m going to have a good look at the riving knife tomorrow. I didn’t even know I had the same dust port problem as you till this evening! I did a search on the screwfix forum and I’m not the only one with the riving knife pulling to the left. To be honest I did take it off originally, (I was a complete newbie at the time) until I watched a video by Steve Ramsey at woodworking for mere morals on why you should never take your riving knife off. I guess I’m just gonna have to keep poking at it till I get it to a useful state! Oh joy!
I got the same saw table as you have got, but I've been told that when I cut the woods it get very loud. Can I ask do you know how I can reduce the noise? I've changed the blade but it make no difference.
If you're rip cutting then a specific rip-cut blade can help, but unfortunately one of the problems with low cost saws is that they are not induction motors, and so pretty loud. The price jump to an induction motor is pretty big unfortunately
Sadly table saws and cabinet saws are not quiet pieces of kit, but an induction motor certainly helps. I very much noticed the difference between my Titan and the Axminster saw I picked up that I have now
I have absolutely no idea why I kept calling plywood MDF, slowly losing my mind I think
Haha I did think that!
Wait until you turn 60.
Just got this saw about 2 weeks ago and have put it through it's paces. I am actually pleasantly surprised by the fence. When I was assembling the saw I was a bit let down by the quality of it (taking into account the price I wasn't expecting it to be perfect) but when I assembled it and locked it in place it does look to be lining up at 90 deg to be fair. I haven't completed a lot of long rip cuts yet though so I'll hold off on the final judgment till then.
The miter gauge is a complete waste of time. I have a cross cut sled built now and have seen a few videos on how to alter them for angled cuts too so think I'll have a crack off that!
Thanks for the video. I did watch if before I bought the saw and thought for the price it seems a good deal. So far I'm happy with it but again I've only had it with 2 weeks so we'll see how it goes!
Thank you for posting this video, I have had a titan table saw for the last five years and have been looking at addressing the issues you dealt with, especially the fence, for some time and your video has given me the spark to do so, Thank you Dean, take care and happy new year to you.
Happy new year to you as well Simon, and thanks very much.
Best of luck with your upgrades!
Great video; you should have a constant flow of people finding you trying to overcome the titan terrible fence issue, that's how I got here!
Hopefully they subscribe 😁
I have the same saw and have mounted it in a bench and out a 6mm MDF top on top of the steel table with aluminium channels fitted ( purchased from Axminster Tools ) This also gives you plenty of thickness to make a decent zero clearance blade plate.
Ten out of ten for keeping the riving knife and the mod to it.!!
Cheers Ralph!
Some great accessories you’ve made there. Aside from the problems with the fence, the old Titan saw is capable of serious work.
I’ve abused mine no end.
I’ve run loads of 8x4 sheets of plastic through it & cut up loads of free pallets for the wood burner.
It’s probably not the most accurate if you’re doing precise work but I think it’s ok for the price.
Saxton Blades are much better value than Screwfix for replacement blades.
Good video. I bought mine 4 years ago and got it from screwfix for £65 as the box was all bashed. I asked if it was damaged and the girl said that it was only the box but if there was any problems just return it for a refund. I have been using it regularly and like yourself made a sledge for cross cutting. I tried making a zero clearance plate but after a while I fitted a complete 10mm laminated MDF top ( not ply ) ha ha which makes the fence slide very easily after a rub down with some candle wax. I just lift the top off when I need to tilt the blade or use the sledge. I made a fence similar to your one and it works almost perfectly, give or take 0.02 degrees. Which is acceptable to me. I made a small table for my router similar to the one you have on your saw and after seeing yours I might make one for the saw. As you say the legs take up a lot of space but it is very stable and I was afraid I might lose the stability. Great video with a lot of ideas.
Cheers!
I got this saw today to rip decking, the fence was a bit wobbly for 3m rips, I just used 2 clamps on some wood to push against the fence. I'm thinking I may copy this guide .... It's great!
Brilliant, really helpful. Haven't found much use for this table saw as I need to cut accurately. Definitely going to make some of the upgrades you've suggested here and try again. Many thanks!
I’m really pleased it was useful! I hope you get it sorted 😊
Looks similar to my Einhell table saw. However I could have played Crown Green Bowls on the table. I made my own table and fence from 18mm Plywood. Not perfect but it works
A lot of them are very similar in this price bracket
I came across your channel because of this video and it's always good to find another Uk woodwork channel to subscribe to! 👍 I don't have a table saw but have thought about buying the Titan one in the past, but I don't have enough space for a table saw at the moment. If I was gonna buy one I'd go for the Evolution Rage 5s, for occasional use (hobby woodworker). Your video about this Titan saw was really interesting, useful and well presented. Nice one!
Thanks Tony! The Rage is a great saw that is also pretty easy to upgrade. I think the fence is pretty good though already.
Cross cut sleds are almost a must have with just about any saw because the mitre gauge everyone supplies is rubbish.
Good luck on your woodwork Journey!
Excellent! Thankyou for the review and for your upgrade ideas. I'm looking at buying a table saw and your video really helped me.
I’m really pleased it helped!
Ah you rear movement. I have just broken mine up as motor exploded when cutting 2 in old oak. The back back and front swing bearing are similar and very sturdy. Check the plastic retaining block is secured properly by two cross head screws and the rear assembly Allen screws are up solid.
For replacement don’t bother unless you are going to spend well over £300. The new machines of this format with a variety of manufacturers labels are heavily production engineered and not of the substance of this one. You can pay up to £220 and all you will buy is an expensive blade in a poorly and sometimes rather unsafe design. Their is a stability issue with many hence the extra leg extension on the back. No rear outfeed table as this would overpower the leg extensions. The blade plate in plastic cannot be remade as the new hinges get in the way and the moulding is thus too thin. The blade rear guide whose name temporarily deserts me, is flexible and if the upper dust extractor is fitted can interrupt flow of work. The fence is difficult to lock adequately and the angle guide of vague ability. All this can be solved with work and knowledge but it is being sold to a diy market where people are not necessarily safety oriented. Here I speak having been an ex production engineer and a safety officer. Hold on to what you have and then spend at a substantially higher level.
Great. I've got one of these and its quite inaccurate as it is. Looking forward to trying some of these. Thanks.
I really like your upgrades, I have an Einhell table saw, which is similar to the Titan. I have some of the same issues especially the mitre slots and the rip fence, I made a bracket which I bolt to the outside of the table and a threaded bar is used to lightly press against the back of the fence to stop it moving away from the blade. I have made a sled similar to yours, very useful. One thing to watch out for with these budget priced saws is that the blade supplied may not be as sharp as it could be, I had my blade sharpened lately and the difference in the performance of the saw is amazing. Good saw for the price despite it's flaws. Happy new year and keep up the good work. Paul.
Completely agree regarding the blade. I found changing it out for a different one made a HUGE difference
Where did you have the blade sharpened ? My local blade sharpeners don't seem to do table saw blades.
Thanks for this video, convinced me to feel the pain only once and buy a Dewalt 7485. The £300 price difference looks like good value to me 👍🏼
I've got the same issue with blade movement. Very helpful
I think it’s a design thing unfortunately. Being aware of it helps though
Interesting video...you have opened up a can of worms here! I've had my Titan saw for more than two years now. I think it was £99.99 but went down to £80 for a while. I think the model has been updated as yours does look slightly different with a better build quality and the table looks better (I have additional support legs on the flimsy side extension panels for instance and the table wasn't flat until I spent an afternoon using a rubber hammer and a straight edge on it). I too have made a similar base for the unit (it looks the twin of yours, are we related? :-) . I use it to store push blocks, finger boards additional blade etc.) but I think I'm going to box it in and put a door on it to keep out the dust. I might even add a dust tray under the unit. Looks like you may have cut down the original crown guard plate to make your riving knife - quite a standard mod. I kept the original and made a riving knife one from 2mm aluminium sheet just in case - it works fine, even when I'm ripping down 8' and 4" fence post for legs to rustic benches. I want to use the crown guard again sometime as the dust extraction isn't too bad, useful when cutting MDF in my little 12'x 8' shop . The table sled I made used acrylic runners and works fine with a little machine wax. Never been happy with the mitre gauge - not accurate and slops all over the place. I tried putting aluminium tape on it but that didn't help the fit. In the end I made a mitre attachment on another table sled (sled with a triangle on it...duh! ) that works well. I suggest you make a pallet sled (flat board on a runner with a little fence at the top that is cut level with the blade) this is most useful for safely cutting flat panels that are wider than they are long - you can also use it to make angled cuts of different degrees. I agree the Titan fence is a bit flimsy and may tail out at the end of a cut but it seems OK at the start of a cut where it really matters. Once the teeth hit the wood in the right place the rest is pretty much history. Having said that I really like your fence solution (you can add fences for spline cutting or mortise tendons to make a cut. Nice one! Thanks for the video and I hope this feedback helps!
P.S.
I now also now have a Rage Evolution 5 saw. It's good but it has it's own problems!
Second attempt at a comment first one a bit rude apparently.
Just bought one of these saws and used for the first time today.
First cut was measured with a digital vernier calliper length of cut .5 of a meter width of cut 25 mm thickness of material 18 mm .
Saw cut very smoothly excellent cut edge clean variation along length was .2 of a mm this using the standard stock fence which goes against what this video is suggesting also ease of operation of the supplied fence was brilliant where as this modification fence looks poor and it also looks to big and bulky.
I think there are over 200 reviews on the Screwfix website of this saw and can’t say I’ve seen any reviews reporting problems with the fence.
I can only presume you have not assembled it correctly.
It’s early days but so far I would not hesitate to recommend THIS HIGHLY Accurate brilliant saw.
If you go back and read the instructions manual and assemble correctly you don’t need to make a fence the one supplied is brilliant accurate and easy to use.
Cool 👍
Nice one mate always clear and practical 👌
Thank you
Good video mate. I looked at these before buying and the fence and mitre gauge really put me off! Same issue with the slightly more expensive evolution. I agree with you though for the money, it’s a pretty good buy. Excellent mods too! 👍🏼 I ended up spending a little more on a metabo in the end (not that much more actually as it was a returned stock deal, and I had to fix the tilt mech but it works a dream now!). Btw If you need a mitre saw, the evolution is VERY good for the money. 👍🏼
Thanks very much!
Funnily enough I was looking at a second hand Metabo, but I read that the blade up/down mechanism was weird?
I had an evolution mitre saw for years and it was excellent when I was doing metalwork. Frustratingly it blew up recently and took out the house fuses as the motor went up in a puff of smoke 😢
@@WoodworkJourney Up/down seems pretty standard, just a turn wheel. It goes up to 87mm as well which is impressive for a site size table saw!
Do you mind letting me know which model number you went for?
@@WoodworkJourney of course not! It’s the TS 254 M
There's a useful vid on this platform re: solving the design niggle on the Metabo -
from a Suffolk boat-builder.
I'll try to find a link if anyone wants it.
Brilliant will be doing them. The fence that comes with it is just useless.
Thanks for the vid cheap it is and maybe for 80% of work prob ok , but I think I’ll spend more don’t want to regretting in a year or so , I e bought so much disappointing stuff and I end up flogging and getting something else . 👍
so i have one of these saws and im new to wood working so im going to try and do what you did and make a cross cut sled
Cross cut sleds are great in my opinion, but really spend the time to be super accurate on the fence closest to you.
There’s something called the 5 cut method which is incredibly helpful to help you get accurate.
I think the chap who came up with it is William Ng so search for that on RUclips, Jonathan Katz Moses also made a great video explaining it when making a sled.
Best of luck!
Great review and mods , thanks really helpful video
Thank you very much 😊
I bought this saw a few weeks ago having never owned or used a table before. I used it today fir 1st time and found the exact problem with the fence. It really frustrated me. After watching this video I'm going to build a new fence. Thanks. I'm also going to build a sled too. The slots are very shallow how did you get the runners that thin to accommodate?
I can’t remember exactly, but I think it was just a lot of cutting, sanding, trial and error.
Regarding side to side wiggle though, if they’re a hair too thin, pack bits of paper or something between the runner and inside edge of the mitre slot. The inside edge on the other side as well.
That means the runners are both pushed to their respective outer edges.
Stick them to the underside of the sled and there will be zero wiggle 👍
Just a update on my earlier comment after making a whole host of different width and length cuts all I can say the supplied fence is brilliant and certainly no need for any modifications which mirrors the reviews on the Screwfix website.
Also given the price of this saw I think it is fantastic value and your review is extremely harsh on a brilliant solid accurate table saw
Glad you’re enjoying it
Yes enjoying as it doesn’t need any modifications
I came on RUclips to see if anyone had any solutions to the very issues in this video i was pleasantly surprised all 3 are addressed in one video. Like anything we buy theres good and bad you obviously struck lucky with a good one.
It's a pity the manufacturers don't put a little bit more thought into the design and QC aspects
of their products. Granted, they're cheap - but how much might some improvements eat into
profit margins? And once made, any improvements would only bolster market share - more profits.
This is surely short-sighted on their part.
Particularly when we factor in what they will be paying for labour (often dubious ethics) and
raw materials.
The consumer is rarely put in front of profits
Any chance you can make videos showing how you made the upgrades step by step?
Thank you but sadly not, that saw is long gone now. There’s a bunch of fence tutorials on RUclips though so hopefully you can find something 😊
Hey man, great video. Quick question - where did you get the riving knife for this? The one that came with my saw is too high and has the blade guard mounts on it which are annoying …
Thanks! My riving knife is the original just cut to be the same height at the top of the blade.
It’s not something I advocate doing and you may open yourself up to certain safety issues, so I can’t promote doing that long if thing 😊
Enjoyed your vid have subscribed to your channel I had the same saw for the price and once you do the tweaks it can be a reasonable saw I’ve upgraded to the evolution rage5s again once it’s been set up it’s great for me well worth the money
Hi,
Great video.
At the end you show the issue with the wobbeling of the sawblade left to right.
I've just bought an Einhell 2225,, and sadly my blade does the same.. And pretty much has the same things going on as your table saw.
mechanism I can't get my blade perfectly 90dgrs....
I'm considering to replace the tabletop... Does anyone has some advice perhaps?? THX
I hope you get it sorted. Luckily the screwfix return policy is excellent
Hey mate, first time viewer enjoyed the video. I have seen a titan table saw second hand crazy cheap and am trying to work out whether to pull the trigger on it. I appears to have a mega rusty blade, I assume they are pretty easy to change? I will subscribe, good work.
Hi Vincent, yep super easy to change the blades. It’s a brilliant first tablesaw in my opinion
great video very helpful, did you cut your riving knife down? the original riving knife is higher than the blade thus using a cross cutting jig would be imposible, would very much appreciate your advise. many thanks in advance.
Hi Paul, yes I did cut mine down however I can’t recommend modifying any safety equipment.
I felt that as long as it didn’t go below the blade It would be ok, but, I’m in no way a professional or someone to advise others to do the same, I hope you understand 😊
There’s a great YT video on how to make a sled and keep your blade guard mate, if I find a link i can post it if that’s allowed?
IF money was no object, I'd be looking at battery TSs.
As we've learned lately - corporate owned energy supply is no friend to public good. I doubt the
present spikes are going to be a one off.
On that basis - the electricity draw for charging batteries vs the use of something with a 1500 - 2000w
motor is thrown into stark relief.
Going down the battery route, at least for the better quality machines, is a considerable expense,
probably beyond the means of a lot of people, but it would mean future proofing.
+ you can often find 'after market' batteries which are much cheaper, and nowadays
pretty good quality
Check out Badger Workshop on RUclips. I believe his workshop is powered by his solar charged battery thingy
I managed to get an Aldi table saw in a sale for £19. It's terrible but then I think "yeah but I only paid £19".
I have many tools like that lol
Hi, thanks for sharing these designs, I’m new to using a table saw, done a little simple woodwork before & im having a go at making the fence.. what length bar did you use please? And what other hardware did you need to install the bar? Many thanks 😊
Hi Collette, I bought a metre length of threaded bar and then just used a hacksaw to cut it to whatever length looked right lol
As for other hardware, just nuts from what I remember. Obviously screws holding it all together.
Hi dude. Great video. Had this saw for ages and it never gives any kind of a true cut with the stuff that comes with it in the box. I had made myself a VERY crude mitre sled which kinda worked but like you said on your video, the slots are not exactly easy to work with either. Could you made a 45° angle block clamp to go onto your the sled you've already made perhaps? I'm gonna give yours a go anyway :) Thank you.
Thanks very much!
Yes I could have made something within the cross cut sled for angles, but I didn’t really think of that beforehand so it didn’t really have the space unfortunately.
I’ve now changed the saw to something else and will probably show some jig projects in future videos, including something for angles 😊
@@WoodworkJourney it's all so helpful. Just watched your video on the bandsaw too which I've been looking at. I did try to mill a 2inch piece of oak with the Titan table saw but it genuinely almost made the wood catch fire hahaha 🔥 had to mill it by hand which was NOT fun! My little epoxy box is coming along though! Have you found that flat piece around the saw helping for offcuts and sawdust falling into the vacuum chamber under the blade? I haven't bothered with that yet and that is a nightmare to clean and pretty dangerous if you don't.
The little flat piece as in the zero clearance for the bandsaw or table saw?
Either way they’re both super helpful and I’ve had cleaner and safer cuts with both 😊
@@WoodworkJourney thanks for the tip.
Have subscribed and will be watching for future projects!
I am about to do the same with my table saw which is of similarly poor design but - can't expect miracles for 120e machine. Thanks for the tips.
You can always make some improvements. Best of luck!
Hi I like your video I have a titan table saw I like your upgrades lots and I will be making them I have one question your Wheels on the bottom do you have 4 lockable wheels or just 2 thank you for your help and videos Mark
Thanks! I had 2 that lock
@@WoodworkJourney thank you for getting back to me. I have decided to go with 4 lockable wheels thank you keep the videos going
I wonder if it's better to avoid this and get something slightly more expensive (Evolution?) than spend the money on this fixes?
cool video
Thanks
Thank you for doing this video, the fence that you made looks so much more reliable than the awful one that comes with it! Hopefully with your upgrades I’ll be able to cut a genuinely straight line!! 🤣
I don’t know if my blade moves with the dust port (I will be checking this out) but my riving knife does go off to the left. It is causing me a major headache as it stops the work piece from moving past the blade. I’ve tried popping some shims in under the bolts but doesn’t cure it. 😩
Hmmm sorry to hear the riving knife is off, odd that it can’t be rectified with shims. That would tell me it’s not 90 degrees to the table maybe?
@@WoodworkJourney I’m going to have a good look at the riving knife tomorrow. I didn’t even know I had the same dust port problem as you till this evening! I did a search on the screwfix forum and I’m not the only one with the riving knife pulling to the left. To be honest I did take it off originally, (I was a complete newbie at the time) until I watched a video by Steve Ramsey at woodworking for mere morals on why you should never take your riving knife off. I guess I’m just gonna have to keep poking at it till I get it to a useful state! Oh joy!
I got the same saw table as you have got, but I've been told that when I cut the woods it get very loud. Can I ask do you know how I can reduce the noise? I've changed the blade but it make no difference.
If you're rip cutting then a specific rip-cut blade can help, but unfortunately one of the problems with low cost saws is that they are not induction motors, and so pretty loud. The price jump to an induction motor is pretty big unfortunately
@@WoodworkJourney Oh right. If I go with better saw table, wont it get loud then?
Sadly table saws and cabinet saws are not quiet pieces of kit, but an induction motor certainly helps.
I very much noticed the difference between my Titan and the Axminster saw I picked up that I have now
OMG Dean, how you doing ol chap. You still vaping?
Hi! Certainly am 😊