6:17 just a reminder here : Since Ice Punch is Special in gen1 and Hitmonchan has 35 in Special, it would at best scratch the Torterra despite of the X4 weakness because of its good special bulk (95 HP and 75 or 85 Special). In fact here Torterra would obliterate Bruno by spamming Earthquake and Razor Leaf.
Yup, and Torterra would get bodyslam letting it smash thru agatha, Golbat wouldnt do anythin to those defenses. And nothing is getting mauled by pidgeot and its 35BP wing attack.
Sure Torterra's typing doesn't go well against Pidgeot, Golbat, Lance's dragons and Charizard but since it's a Ground type, that means it learns Rock Slide (like Swampert learns Ice Beam), so it has a chance against them, right ? Especially with the bulk it has.
Rule number 1: if a move isn't 100% accurate its 50% accurate. All rock moves can miss with default accuracy (in gen 1), ice beam has 100% base accuracy. Moves that don't miss by default, or that can never miss like aerial ace, shock wave, and magical leaf have immense value for being reliable. (Tackle has 95% accuracy and this has screwed people over before, rockslide has only 90% accuracy. Its not much but a single miss can cost you a battle)
@@superdejan64 fortunately thats only a gen 1 thing, and if only including gen 1 then its still even across all moves. (I'm not familiar enough with gen 1 to know if moves that can't miss like Aerial Ace existed or were affect by the 1/256 glitch)
Honestly, glad to see my favorite starter would fair well in Gen 1. Awesome work Torterra, and got to commend Swampert for being a force to be reckoned with in Gen 1 as well. Great video.
Nice video. I wish there were a rom hack that gave you the option to use any Pokemon, gen 1-8(soon 9) as your starter. Would be cool to do sample playthroughs to test this.
Swampert stats would look like in gen 1 Health Points: 100 Attack Points: 110 Defense Points: 90 Special Points: 90(SPD)/85 (SPA) Speed Points: 60 Physical Moves: Earthquake, Hyper beam, Body Slam, Rock Slide, Fissure, Dig and Strength Special Moves: Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Ice Beam and Bubble Beam Move Pool Status: Rest, Protect, Substitute and Double Team Torterra stats would look like in gen 1 Health Points: 95 Attack Points: 109 Defense Point: 105 Special Points: 85(SPD)/ 75 (SPA) Speed: 56 Physical moves: Earthquake, Hyper Beam, Rock Slide, Body Slam, Fissure, Dig, Cut and Strength Special Moves: Razor Leaf, Mega Drain and Solar Beam Status Moves: Protect, Substitute, Flash, Rest, Double Team, Toxic, Leech Seed and Growth. I kind want to see Game Freak redesign a pokemon game with the Gen 1 Style. With the exception of Fixing the ghost, Bug and Poison effectiveness. Ghost is now Super effective against Psychic, Fire resistant Ice. Bug and Poison are now not very Effective against each other. Move type go back to All Physical or Special like it was before gen 4. And add in a Few Moves to help, Ghosts, Bug, Poison, Ice, and Dragon. New Bug moves examples X Scissors (60 power), Fury Cutter (20 power and rage clone this game), Sliver Wind (50 Power and Confusion chance instead of boost), Lunge (40 power with Second effects and Leech Life(40 power) Pokemon gen 1, Pinsir and Scyther get X Scissors. Parasect, Scyther and Beedrill get Fury Cutter. Venomoth and Butterfly get Silverwind, Parasect and Pinsir get Lunge. Golbat, Venomoth, Parasect keep the Leech Life buff. Other mechanics I would like to see would be the Baby Mons that are connected to get 1 pokemon get introduced at Evolve at levels. Like Pichu evolves into Pikachu at level 12 or something like that and Crobat evolves at level 40 from Golbat, Leafeon is now Available with Grass stone. They could bring in some other pokemon Species from other gens that make sense to the gen 1 Kanto feel. (No Fairy, Steel or Dark types in the game though) get the number closer to about 220. I don't think they need to add any more Legendaries or pseudo-legendary Pokémon to this game. Ex of the Dragons line that need some more members; Noivern line, Kingdra, Druddigon and Haxorus line might be interesting Additions to make Lance a Dragon user.
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If Steels existed, even if just defensively, Empoleon would also be a contender. While it is very slow, it does have a poison immunity and a psychic resistance at the point in the game where that matters. Brock is a sweep with Bubble. Misty is neutral. Lt. Surge is a loss from electric weakness. Erika would be a loss as Prinplup but an easy sweep as Empoleon thanks to steel making it take neutral grass damage and firing back with Ice Beams, though you'd be overleveled at that point. Koga can't do anything but accuracy/evasion stall and Self-Destruct. The resistance to psychic makes Sabrina fairly easy if Empoleon weren't so slow. Blaine is a sweep as long as you don't get caught in Fire Spin trapping spam. From Giovanni, you only have to worry about Dugtrio using Dig, as the only other ground move on THE GROUND SPECIALIST'S team is his Rhydon with Fissure that you outspeed, for once. At the Elite Four, while you heavily resist Lorrelai's ice and water moves, you can't do much back aside from Earthquake and Drill Peck as most of her team are water-types. Bruno's Hitmonlee and Machamp would be the only issue, as they have fighting moves. For Agatha, while it should be easy, Empoleon is slow, so Hypnosis stalling and Night Shade are threats. For Lance, even though his entire team is faster, he has nothing he can do to Empoleon except Hyper Beam. And for Rival, the only threat is Venusaur's Razor Leaf. Nothing else on his team threatens Empoleon.
I'd really like to see a series where you ran through all the gens with different gen starters. Would love to see how the Gen 9 trio fares against Hoen or something.
Not quite. For one of them, the part about Decidueye. The glitch was fixed in the later versions of Red and Blue. Also, liked the video but the actual best type is normal. Change my mind.(for g1.)
Now about the best type, it can be a very tricky question. if you consider only, and only, the type chart, Psychic wins because of more SE and Resistances. if you consider Type chart + moves, Normal wins because of Hyper beam, Body Slam, Recover etc. Now if you consider also the Pokémon available, Psychic wins because of Mewtwo and Mew, but if you don't count the overpowered legendary Pokémon, Normal wins because of Snorlax, Blissey and Tauros
@@IronNidow I wasn’t counting legendaries, and with the overall reliability, stab on some of the best moves, with a diverse move pool to bet, I would say in RBY OU, normal is the best type.
That depends on how you deal with the Special stat, movepools and Steel and Dark type. Actually, that's an idea: Top 5 pokemon that would benefit from a single Special Stat (as long as they get to keep their higher stat). Spoilers: The answer is Tangrowth.
I would argue Torterra would do great against Bruno. He can beat the Onix easily; and Hitmonchan’s special attack sucks. It’s a base of 35- Even with ice punch, it’s not that threatening.
@@TheElectricSheep neither do any of these lol, but here we are anyway did you even watch the video? they said decidueye can't have any good ghost type moves as they don't exist in gen 1. So all of these mons are going to be according to gen 1 mechanics AKA no dark and steel type
@@TheVarrio I watched it, he didn't mention Greninja at all. However the title does say "ANY starter". Does that mean Greninja is eliminated from the conversation? You think he would mention that in the video
You got Chirmchar so wrong. 1. Brock's pokemon in Gen 1 have no rock moves and have pitiful special. Ember is pretty good choice against them. 2. Charmeleon also learns Dig. 3. Fighting type sucks in Gen 1., there are no half decent moves. 4. Charizard has ground immunity. 5. While Lance's dragons won't attack him there is nothing really that he can fight back with (unless he learns Rock Slide - what Charizard also can since gen IV). 6. I have no iidea how Infernape could be better than Charizard. In remakes - maybe (since finally there are good fighting moves), in R/B - not even close.
The fact that you're even humoring any Fire or Fighting type starters in Gen 1 with the moves and type matchups they had at the time is a joke. Fennekin/Braixen/Delphox is the only Fire type starter line that would have fared well in Gen 1, and it'd still struggle _hard_ against Misty (Starmie resists its Psychic moves as well as Fire) and be at best okay against Brock. These first two gyms are the most important matchups for overall performance; the only other battles of note (Rival encounters 5, 6, and Champion, Koga, Sabrina, Giovanni, Elite Three Plus A Hiker For Some Reason) all come in much later when you'll have a lot more tools available. Water and Grass starters are the only ones even worth considering in the running.
depends what you mean by the best: Bulbasaur has the easiest solo run in the first 40% of the game Blastoise has the esiest solo run over all and those are both stupid arguments since you play a team not a solo run usually
If you catch a nidoran male when using fennekin you can use double kick against brock, takes one of the leaders away, second if you raise Delphox to lvl 31 before misty it learns light screen which takes away much power of incoming specials, which leads to some psybeams winning against misty as well.
the idea is how well does each starter fare by themselves. by this logic, charizard is the single best starter of all time, because other pokemon carry it's weaknesses. also, if you need to be 13 levels higher than a gym leader, you probably aren't the best pokemon to fight said gym leader.
I hate how people say bulbasaur is the best pick for kanto... its part poison type without good poison type moves on top of that poison is physical in gen 1 therefore it uses lower attacking stat of bulbasaur line... maybe its the sweeper in me but more than two turns feels lije a chore yes you could get toxic... but still it a mid to late game attack 5or6 badge and even then you gotvto go with multiple turns to defeat the most basic opponents both charisard and blastoise doesnt have that problem. Did i mention kanto is littered with bugs, flying, poison and psychic pokemon? Most of the team rocket has zubats and golbats and grimmers on the teams which resists 2x or even 4x...
Literally none of that matters. Razor Leaf is effectively 110 base power before STAB and kills 80% of the game. It beats Brock and Misty, and after that you're catching whatever else you want to beat whatever. Being poison means you can't get poisoned, which is a relief from annoyance more than anything. Team Rocket sends out a Zubat. Just kill it, bro
It deals fixed damage which means no stab, no duper effective, no stage modifiers like swords dance, lear, and growl, just subtract your level from the target's HP. Its similar to dragon rage, sonic boom, and siesmic toss in that regard, their types only matter for immunities but otherwise don't factor into gameplay.
I feel like you're vastly underestimating how amazing Venusaur's poison secondary typing actually is in Gen 1. I don't think the other grass types would outperform it. Like a third of Gen 1 is poison typing, and poison is incredibly obnoxious when just traveling around. You can just buy Antidotes, sure, but that's still a pain. On top of that Venusaur learns Body Slam, Swords Dance, and Sleep Powder; a trio which, alongside Razor Leaf, can overpower everything in the game except Gengar. On the flipside though Swampert losing to Erika isn't a big deal since you can easily do her 7th if you want. Her and Surge are the two most flexible to slot anywhere in the game.
No. Poison type does absolutely nothing good for Venusaur in gen 1 because it doesn’t learn any poison STAB moves. It’s only an hindrance because it gives it a weakness to the already busted Psychic type.
@@davion4777 Being Poison type causes poison attacks to do neutral damage and prevents you from getting poisoned. That's extremely valuable in Gen 1 where the early game is flooded with Poison Sting and Poison Powder whereas you don't even come up against your first Psychic attack until the SS Anne at which point you already have access to the extremely powerful Body Slam, a wealth of stat XP, and the Attack badge boost. STAB isn't completely irrelevant, but it's really not that big of a deal in Gen 1, and poison attacks are all crap anyways in that game. Gengar is one of the best Pokemon in the game despite not having any valuable STAB moves, and even if Venusaur did learn Sludge I really can't see it getting much use compared to the Body Slam, Swords Dance, Sleep Powder combo with Razor Leaf as backup. It's just such a strong core trio of moves that have extremely good synergy. A type can be valuable for defensive utility just as much as offensive utility, and being immune to poison in the early game is a huge boon.
Did he say that grottel since that the picture he is using is good for surge Erica and koga and im saying this because grottel is not a ground type only torterra is
"Bulbasaur was the original best pick" What? Blastoise was used a main Pokémon in gen 1 speedrunning, and you're really telling us that Bulbasaur was the best?
Bulbasaur is better if you are playing casually. Squirtle is just more optimal for going fast. (If you are concerned about the psychic weakness, Sabrina gets destroyed by any decent physical attack, which is not hard to obtain)
Bulbasaur is good for it's early evolution levels and good matchups against the 1st 2 (you have other Pokemon by then). Squirtle is the best for speedruns but that's a whole different story
I would say torterra takes number 1 because its good until the e4 whereas you can't rely on swampert for the 4th gym so by the time you can't just rely on torterra you have so many more options anyway that it doesn't really matter
Mach Punch didn't exist in Gen1. It was introduced in Gen2. Fighting's move pool in Gen1 was pretty shitty, actually. So it would still not have the best time against Brock. This video is about all the starters in Gen1, from a Gen1 POV. Meaning, Gen1 moves. You could just watch the first minute of the video and hear him talk about the "lack of good Fighting type moves in Gen1".
6:17 just a reminder here : Since Ice Punch is Special in gen1 and Hitmonchan has 35 in Special, it would at best scratch the Torterra despite of the X4 weakness because of its good special bulk (95 HP and 75 or 85 Special). In fact here Torterra would obliterate Bruno by spamming Earthquake and Razor Leaf.
Yup, and Torterra would get bodyslam letting it smash thru agatha, Golbat wouldnt do anythin to those defenses. And nothing is getting mauled by pidgeot and its 35BP wing attack.
@@wmzer0mw Only Parasect could get bodied by 35 BP Wing Attack
He can also learn rock slide, easy Pidgeot car with 2 attacks and Charizard with a single attack.
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Sure Torterra's typing doesn't go well against Pidgeot, Golbat, Lance's dragons and Charizard but since it's a Ground type, that means it learns Rock Slide (like Swampert learns Ice Beam), so it has a chance against them, right ? Especially with the bulk it has.
Rule number 1: if a move isn't 100% accurate its 50% accurate.
All rock moves can miss with default accuracy (in gen 1), ice beam has 100% base accuracy.
Moves that don't miss by default, or that can never miss like aerial ace, shock wave, and magical leaf have immense value for being reliable. (Tackle has 95% accuracy and this has screwed people over before, rockslide has only 90% accuracy. Its not much but a single miss can cost you a battle)
@@jasonreed7522 ice beam can still miss due to the 1 in 256 glitch
@@superdejan64 fortunately thats only a gen 1 thing, and if only including gen 1 then its still even across all moves. (I'm not familiar enough with gen 1 to know if moves that can't miss like Aerial Ace existed or were affect by the 1/256 glitch)
@@jasonreed7522 There's Swift
Actually I seen 100% accuracy moves miss. Pokemon do mess up
Swampert keeps coming out on Top in a lot of these starter videos. He’s my favorite so I love that for me lol
It has a lot going for it.
Perfect stat spread; it's fast *enough*, hits really really hard, and, just like a gen 1 Psychic type, has no weaknesses.
yeah delphox would be obviously good in gen 1 but i also believe it would be THE best fire type, purely being carried by psychic
Torterra my boy is doing great in gen 1 for an underrated starter
Also Swampert is cool too
Super cool video idea! Love the wholistic approach in comparing strengths. Can't wait to see more
Thank you!!
Honestly, glad to see my favorite starter would fair well in Gen 1. Awesome work Torterra, and got to commend Swampert for being a force to be reckoned with in Gen 1 as well. Great video.
Swampert's just the best starter period
Torterra does not have auto crit Razor Leaf. You need 64 speed for that. Torterra has 56, which is an 87,5% chance to crit.
so almost auto
@@emkalina Bad enough that I would not use it. As Tackle taught me as a kid, if it is not 100%, it might as well be 0.
Nice video. I wish there were a rom hack that gave you the option to use any Pokemon, gen 1-8(soon 9) as your starter. Would be cool to do sample playthroughs to test this.
Radical Red
I’m pretty sure there already is
@@AbsolutePayaso There is. Two, notably:
Radical Red
The Last FireRed
Or use a gameshark/emulator and swap out any starter you want right, theirs some youtubers that do "can I beat pokemen... with only a ....
Radical Red
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Have you considered doing playthroughs? Streaming nuzlockes, soullockes, randomizers etc on YT or twitch?
He streams pretty frequently on twitch :D
Swampert stats would look like in gen 1
Health Points: 100
Attack Points: 110
Defense Points: 90
Special Points: 90(SPD)/85 (SPA)
Speed Points: 60
Physical Moves: Earthquake, Hyper beam, Body Slam, Rock Slide, Fissure, Dig and Strength
Special Moves: Surf, Hydro Pump, Blizzard, Ice Beam and Bubble Beam
Move Pool Status: Rest, Protect, Substitute and Double Team
Torterra stats would look like in gen 1
Health Points: 95
Attack Points: 109
Defense Point: 105
Special Points: 85(SPD)/ 75 (SPA)
Speed: 56
Physical moves: Earthquake, Hyper Beam, Rock Slide, Body Slam, Fissure, Dig, Cut and Strength
Special Moves: Razor Leaf, Mega Drain and Solar Beam
Status Moves: Protect, Substitute, Flash, Rest, Double Team, Toxic, Leech Seed and Growth.
I kind want to see Game Freak redesign a pokemon game with the Gen 1 Style. With the exception of Fixing the ghost, Bug and Poison effectiveness. Ghost is now Super effective against Psychic, Fire resistant Ice. Bug and Poison are now not very Effective against each other. Move type go back to All Physical or Special like it was before gen 4.
And add in a Few Moves to help, Ghosts, Bug, Poison, Ice, and Dragon.
New Bug moves examples
X Scissors (60 power), Fury Cutter (20 power and rage clone this game), Sliver Wind (50 Power and Confusion chance instead of boost), Lunge (40 power with Second effects and Leech Life(40 power)
Pokemon gen 1, Pinsir and Scyther get X Scissors. Parasect, Scyther and Beedrill get Fury Cutter. Venomoth and Butterfly get Silverwind, Parasect and Pinsir get Lunge. Golbat, Venomoth, Parasect keep the Leech Life buff.
Other mechanics I would like to see would be the Baby Mons that are connected to get 1 pokemon get introduced at Evolve at levels. Like Pichu evolves into Pikachu at level 12 or something like that and Crobat evolves at level 40 from Golbat, Leafeon is now Available with Grass stone. They could bring in some other pokemon Species from other gens that make sense to the gen 1 Kanto feel. (No Fairy, Steel or Dark types in the game though) get the number closer to about 220. I don't think they need to add any more Legendaries or pseudo-legendary Pokémon to this game. Ex of the Dragons line that need some more members; Noivern line, Kingdra, Druddigon and Haxorus line might be interesting Additions to make Lance a Dragon user.
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Something about Chimchar is that it evolves into Monferno at level 14 and learns Mach Punch. Would make Brock way easier with the fighting stab
@@jouheikisaragi6075 also he has much better defence than special so ember would be a better choice most likely
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Swampert is cracked, with a possible movepool of Surf, Earthquake, Rock Slide, and Ice Beam in Gen 1
5:26 Not an immunity, Grotle isn't a ground type, it only gains the ground type as Torterra so a Grotle would only have a resistance to electric
If Steels existed, even if just defensively, Empoleon would also be a contender. While it is very slow, it does have a poison immunity and a psychic resistance at the point in the game where that matters. Brock is a sweep with Bubble. Misty is neutral. Lt. Surge is a loss from electric weakness. Erika would be a loss as Prinplup but an easy sweep as Empoleon thanks to steel making it take neutral grass damage and firing back with Ice Beams, though you'd be overleveled at that point. Koga can't do anything but accuracy/evasion stall and Self-Destruct. The resistance to psychic makes Sabrina fairly easy if Empoleon weren't so slow. Blaine is a sweep as long as you don't get caught in Fire Spin trapping spam. From Giovanni, you only have to worry about Dugtrio using Dig, as the only other ground move on THE GROUND SPECIALIST'S team is his Rhydon with Fissure that you outspeed, for once. At the Elite Four, while you heavily resist Lorrelai's ice and water moves, you can't do much back aside from Earthquake and Drill Peck as most of her team are water-types. Bruno's Hitmonlee and Machamp would be the only issue, as they have fighting moves. For Agatha, while it should be easy, Empoleon is slow, so Hypnosis stalling and Night Shade are threats. For Lance, even though his entire team is faster, he has nothing he can do to Empoleon except Hyper Beam. And for Rival, the only threat is Venusaur's Razor Leaf. Nothing else on his team threatens Empoleon.
I'd really like to see a series where you ran through all the gens with different gen starters. Would love to see how the Gen 9 trio fares against Hoen or something.
Not quite. For one of them, the part about Decidueye. The glitch was fixed in the later versions of Red and Blue. Also, liked the video but the actual best type is normal. Change my mind.(for g1.)
the glitch was never fixed, even in 3ds versions psychic is still immune to non-set damage ghost moves
@@IronNidow Later versions of red and blue mean the remakes.
@@shekkie oh okay, understood!
Now about the best type, it can be a very tricky question. if you consider only, and only, the type chart, Psychic wins because of more SE and Resistances. if you consider Type chart + moves, Normal wins because of Hyper beam, Body Slam, Recover etc. Now if you consider also the Pokémon available, Psychic wins because of Mewtwo and Mew, but if you don't count the overpowered legendary Pokémon, Normal wins because of Snorlax, Blissey and Tauros
@@IronNidow I wasn’t counting legendaries, and with the overall reliability, stab on some of the best moves, with a diverse move pool to bet, I would say in RBY OU, normal is the best type.
Great video, yeah, Swampert for sure would be good in Red, Blue and Yellow, if you could use it, keep it up!
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That depends on how you deal with the Special stat, movepools and Steel and Dark type.
Actually, that's an idea: Top 5 pokemon that would benefit from a single Special Stat (as long as they get to keep their higher stat). Spoilers: The answer is Tangrowth.
I would argue Torterra would do great against Bruno. He can beat the Onix easily; and Hitmonchan’s special attack sucks. It’s a base of 35- Even with ice punch, it’s not that threatening.
I would have thought Greninja being Dark type in a Psychic type dominated game would be the best. Since water is also great, especially early game
Dark type doesn't exist in gen 1
@@TheVarrio Neither does Greninja...
@@TheElectricSheep neither do any of these lol, but here we are anyway
did you even watch the video? they said decidueye can't have any good ghost type moves as they don't exist in gen 1. So all of these mons are going to be according to gen 1 mechanics AKA no dark and steel type
@@TheVarrio I watched it, he didn't mention Greninja at all. However the title does say "ANY starter". Does that mean Greninja is eliminated from the conversation? You think he would mention that in the video
@@TheElectricSheep yeah he shouldve done one for empoleon and greninja tbh
Now I want to see Jrose11 adding those pokemon to his red/blue solo challenge runs...
This should be an on going series for each gen.
Reminder that in Gen1 Psychic is immune to ghost instead of weak to ghost. Not that it matters when the only move is Lick.
You got Chirmchar so wrong.
1. Brock's pokemon in Gen 1 have no rock moves and have pitiful special. Ember is pretty good choice against them.
2. Charmeleon also learns Dig.
3. Fighting type sucks in Gen 1., there are no half decent moves.
4. Charizard has ground immunity.
5. While Lance's dragons won't attack him there is nothing really that he can fight back with (unless he learns Rock Slide - what Charizard also can since gen IV).
6. I have no iidea how Infernape could be better than Charizard. In remakes - maybe (since finally there are good fighting moves), in R/B - not even close.
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could you do more of these just not gen 1 lmao we need more gen 4 content. alola would also be cool with this concept
The fact that you're even humoring any Fire or Fighting type starters in Gen 1 with the moves and type matchups they had at the time is a joke. Fennekin/Braixen/Delphox is the only Fire type starter line that would have fared well in Gen 1, and it'd still struggle _hard_ against Misty (Starmie resists its Psychic moves as well as Fire) and be at best okay against Brock. These first two gyms are the most important matchups for overall performance; the only other battles of note (Rival encounters 5, 6, and Champion, Koga, Sabrina, Giovanni, Elite Three Plus A Hiker For Some Reason) all come in much later when you'll have a lot more tools available.
Water and Grass starters are the only ones even worth considering in the running.
i would argue torterra beats out swampert because it would likely learn rock slide, and most of those late game weaknesses are crushed by rock moves
Bulbasaur isn't the best starter to beat red/blue with though it's been proven that squirtle is the best
Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to say
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depends what you mean by the best:
Bulbasaur has the easiest solo run in the first 40% of the game
Blastoise has the esiest solo run over all
and those are both stupid arguments since you play a team not a solo run usually
@emkalina In the video the guy says bulbasaur is the best starter to solo run Gen 1 with and that's not true it's squirtle
If you catch a nidoran male when using fennekin you can use double kick against brock, takes one of the leaders away, second if you raise Delphox to lvl 31 before misty it learns light screen which takes away much power of incoming specials, which leads to some psybeams winning against misty as well.
the idea is how well does each starter fare by themselves. by this logic, charizard is the single best starter of all time, because other pokemon carry it's weaknesses. also, if you need to be 13 levels higher than a gym leader, you probably aren't the best pokemon to fight said gym leader.
I hate how people say bulbasaur is the best pick for kanto... its part poison type without good poison type moves on top of that poison is physical in gen 1 therefore it uses lower attacking stat of bulbasaur line... maybe its the sweeper in me but more than two turns feels lije a chore yes you could get toxic... but still it a mid to late game attack 5or6 badge and even then you gotvto go with multiple turns to defeat the most basic opponents both charisard and blastoise doesnt have that problem. Did i mention kanto is littered with bugs, flying, poison and psychic pokemon? Most of the team rocket has zubats and golbats and grimmers on the teams which resists 2x or even 4x...
Literally none of that matters.
Razor Leaf is effectively 110 base power before STAB and kills 80% of the game. It beats Brock and Misty, and after that you're catching whatever else you want to beat whatever.
Being poison means you can't get poisoned, which is a relief from annoyance more than anything.
Team Rocket sends out a Zubat.
Just kill it, bro
2:53 Incorrect. Night Shade is a damage-dealing ghost type move in Gen 1...
can't get stab tho so it's not much help
It deals fixed damage which means no stab, no duper effective, no stage modifiers like swords dance, lear, and growl, just subtract your level from the target's HP.
Its similar to dragon rage, sonic boom, and siesmic toss in that regard, their types only matter for immunities but otherwise don't factor into gameplay.
Swampert can also learn amnesia so would RECK with Badgeboost
Once again swampert proves to be the goat
i was pretty shocked about tortera
I feel like you're vastly underestimating how amazing Venusaur's poison secondary typing actually is in Gen 1. I don't think the other grass types would outperform it. Like a third of Gen 1 is poison typing, and poison is incredibly obnoxious when just traveling around. You can just buy Antidotes, sure, but that's still a pain. On top of that Venusaur learns Body Slam, Swords Dance, and Sleep Powder; a trio which, alongside Razor Leaf, can overpower everything in the game except Gengar.
On the flipside though Swampert losing to Erika isn't a big deal since you can easily do her 7th if you want. Her and Surge are the two most flexible to slot anywhere in the game.
No. Poison type does absolutely nothing good for Venusaur in gen 1 because it doesn’t learn any poison STAB moves. It’s only an hindrance because it gives it a weakness to the already busted Psychic type.
@@davion4777 Being Poison type causes poison attacks to do neutral damage and prevents you from getting poisoned. That's extremely valuable in Gen 1 where the early game is flooded with Poison Sting and Poison Powder whereas you don't even come up against your first Psychic attack until the SS Anne at which point you already have access to the extremely powerful Body Slam, a wealth of stat XP, and the Attack badge boost.
STAB isn't completely irrelevant, but it's really not that big of a deal in Gen 1, and poison attacks are all crap anyways in that game. Gengar is one of the best Pokemon in the game despite not having any valuable STAB moves, and even if Venusaur did learn Sludge I really can't see it getting much use compared to the Body Slam, Swords Dance, Sleep Powder combo with Razor Leaf as backup. It's just such a strong core trio of moves that have extremely good synergy. A type can be valuable for defensive utility just as much as offensive utility, and being immune to poison in the early game is a huge boon.
It evolves at level 14 and immediately learns mach punch. It can do just fine against Brock.
there is no Mach Punch in gen I. You can choose Submission with recoil.
Lorelei's... water types? She's an Ice type user. Plus, why would Infernape use Fire moves against her when it can just use Fighting?
1. only one of her pokemon isn't water
2. phiting type sucks in gen 1, there are no good moves
Swampert Solos with Ice Beam mostly
The fuck torterra can learn rock moves!!
Gen 9 go brrrr
This thought exercise is futile without knowing how to deal with the special stat split.
but i wasnt shocked about mudkip tho
The answer is always Swampert
You should do a gen 2 video
Did he say that grottel since that the picture he is using is good for surge Erica and koga and im saying this because grottel is not a ground type only torterra is
Great video! But Braixen isn't a Fire/Psychic type.
Level 18 for badge 2 isn’t even over levelling so I think the Pokémon would be fine 😂
Empoleon would be good if there was steal type
So no one is giving their Venusaur Body Slam.
Night shade can hit Psychic types
Doesn't Decidueye learn nightshade?
All Hail Mudkip I am now going to redo the street art i did and make it better
Ghost didn't work on psychic in gen one because of a glitch
You seem to have no knowledge of gen 1. There many fights are so easy that weakness or strenght against them doesn't really matter.
Where's Feraligatr with autocrit slash?
wait what? bulbasaur is not the best pick its squirtle. what is this
Is Blaziken not viable?
"Bulbasaur was the original best pick" What? Blastoise was used a main Pokémon in gen 1 speedrunning, and you're really telling us that Bulbasaur was the best?
I agree with you, but a lot of noobs think it’s bulbasaur, so I said that as more of a ‘it’s widely considered’ detail than straight facts
Bulbasaur is better if you are playing casually. Squirtle is just more optimal for going fast. (If you are concerned about the psychic weakness, Sabrina gets destroyed by any decent physical attack, which is not hard to obtain)
Bulbasaur is good for it's early evolution levels and good matchups against the 1st 2 (you have other Pokemon by then). Squirtle is the best for speedruns but that's a whole different story
@@tionaus It isn't. Heck, even Charizard blasts through the game better than Venusaur and his start is the worst possible
@@sfsreiq are you playing rby or frlg??
Bulbasaur is not the best pick logistically. He has the most weaknesses and least amount of super effective typings to fight
It also has 110 BP Razor Leaf, beats the only two gym leaders that matter, and makes the AI do stupid, stupid things
I would say torterra takes number 1 because its good until the e4 whereas you can't rely on swampert for the 4th gym so by the time you can't just rely on torterra you have so many more options anyway that it doesn't really matter
Based
Torterra and Swampert are the best starters
Froakie. Dark type.
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what?
Most would be useful as starters Magicarp and Chikorita from gen 2 would still SUCK.
Bruh, Chikorita gets an effective 110 BP move before Brock
grotle is still not ground type
Bruh momentum
Bulbasaur is the worst starter in gen 1
Todaile is the best starter. No contest
"Todaile" 💀💀💀💀💀👾👽
Grotle Is not ground
Swampert is the greatest pokemon starter of all time so it's no surprise
since chimchar evolves at level 14, even in a hardcore nuzlocke it would be a fighting type with mach punch so it can beat brock just fine
Mach Punch didn't exist in Gen1. It was introduced in Gen2. Fighting's move pool in Gen1 was pretty shitty, actually. So it would still not have the best time against Brock.
This video is about all the starters in Gen1, from a Gen1 POV. Meaning, Gen1 moves. You could just watch the first minute of the video and hear him talk about the "lack of good Fighting type moves in Gen1".
Even if Mach Punch existed, Ember probably kills Onix faster than Mach Punch