We have been moding my son’s 2013 m8 over the last week - C3 belt drive, oil delete, jack shaft bearings and new front end. Wow is this thing so much harder to work on compared to my Axys. Everything took twice as long as you would think.
That will be a great improvement. It will be like riding a new sled. Another free and easy mod that will also be a good improvement and will save you about 4-5lbs is to cut all the finger lugs off that track to match the 3" version of it. I did that to my 2.6 and its crazy how much better it climbs. You can feel it grabbing the snow better and it just wants to keeping going.
@@syxxes Hey Matt..we all know that you are! In fact all three of you guys are. .make a great team on the sleds and I am certain that the three of you would certainly build a first class sled with mountain riding. .make several models for the beginner and all the way up to the Top for Advance Riders. Like most of us. .if we're not riding..we are thinking about it. Look at the ease that you modified whitey..imagine the colabration with Shaun and Ben. Make Alberta Proud and Strong with a new line of Sleds! Matt, give it a thought.. To be honest, I'd be willing to help if I can and certainly be one of the first to buy a sled from you. I'll send you a letter to the address listed on the description. Hopefully I can convince you to consider a New Line of Sleds built here in Alberta Canada. Thanks for the reply and videos.
Matt, I put Polaris Gripper skis on my M8000. They bolt right on, just need to trim the rubbers. Very inexpensive and excellent floatation compared to the narrow factory ski's.
Dropping your front end like that is going to lead to more ski pressure unless you drop your skid to match, i know you did but definitely not an inch, but when you drop your skid you'll also be changing the track approach angle, another issue. Great video, great old cat, just a few problems i could see happening
The front of the rear skid will need raised like you said. I worked on a 2012 cat that had a 16 front put on the same way and the added ski pressure would rip the bars out of your hands. Lowered the front of the skid and that problem was solved but created two more problems. The added approach angle wore the hifax off in ten miles and the risk of stabbing the track was obvious. Minor things, good luck
@@syxxes might want to change the chain case to a newer 2017, 1702-424 or a larger diameter driver if it fits with the 2.6 to get the approach angle off of the rail too
@@syxxes just have to get creative with some .060 stainlss steel plates. It really depends if it's handling badly. Tit for tat, move the front gotta move the back
@@syxxes Ha ha yeah that AB east slopes snow just ain't cutting it eh! I think the snow is currently better down here in the AB flatlands. Valemount soon for us though.
I watch all these badass back country riders and I've yet to own my own sled hopefully before next season I can get something even if its an older sled. Good vid man nice sled🤘
Have you considered doing a tki belt drive also to cut some weight? I would like to see an install video if you do it on ol whitey or possibly.... Bens softcore?
Hey Matt, in this video you say there is a trick to taking off just the spindles. I need to take mine off, have the shock, control arm, all the nuts off and the sucker won't budge. Help is needed buddy!
Obviously getting the tunnel higher out of the snow helps get through the snow but are there any other pros or cons to putting the skid bolt to the bottom hole...?¿?
I have a set of shock spacers i got with a 36" front end kit, i bought new front shocks if you're looking for a set. Hope you realize how much weight it going to be on the skis now.
@@syxxes building a phazer of my own! I call it the emperor. 700 Polaris motor with a 166 05 track, tunnel and suspension! Wish I could ride with you some day!
Hey Matt: Looks like you 4th lug nut on your front left tire needs to be torqued again? I can just tell. Taking advice or criticism from RUclips mechanics is just noise. Keep up the great Vids, absolutely look forward to them each day. I have no F'ing idea what i am talking about when it comes to lug nuts or truck wheels.
Couple years ago I upgraded my 14 to a 16 for the improvements. Was thinking of swapping the front end but found a sweet deal on a 16 so jumped on it. Liked my 14 but love my 16. Not sure if you have tried this but I read removing the front bogey wheels helps with the sleds on edge performance on off camber crusty snow conditions. I'm keeping an eye on my sliders and so far no noticable excessive wear. What are your thoughts.
I’ve got a ‘14 162 limited just like yours, my question to you is can you buy an OEM 16+ front end say off a wrecked sled? Or does it have to be a kit that converts it to the pro climb chassis?
hey man. got a question. How do i make my sled wheelie easier? I have my limiter straps as loos as they will go, front skid shock stiffened up and rear shock softened up. will dropping the skid to the bottom hole like you did in the video help at all?
Hm, nice. I've a full kit lying around to pull my XF in from 42" to 38. New shocks and all. But looking at this video I might have a looksee first if I can make it work with the stock ones (probably not, 4" is a heck of a lot more than 2...). Can this be done without removing the nose or am I only making it harder for myself by leaving it on?
@@syxxes I've done one side sofar, didn't give me many problems aside from having to drill out the holes on the upper A arm and lower shock mount. Tomorrow I'll finish the other side as it was getting cold. Then I'm off to find some deep stuff to try it out!
Well, all buttoned up. Had to remove the muffler (yes, stock) to get to one bolt, which made me have to remove the hood. Then the nut of the big front A arm bolt fell out of its captive location so had to remove the front skid thingie too. Not at all difficult but it could have heen a bit easier if AC would have made slightly different design choices. But oh well, I now have a 38" XF. Lets see how it works...
@@syxxes I am, actually, 42" is a bear to get on one ski. Sure, it's stable on trail, but I like playing offtrail more! 2021 Riot X with Alpha skid for next year, maybe, that should be fun. I'm more of a backcountry dweller, so no need for an M.
Hey Matt, I'm not sure if you have in the past but would you do how to ride videos? I've seen some and they are always on Polaris and ski-doo. I own a 15 m8000 and from what I have heard they are much harder to lean over and keep on edge. I'm trying to teach myself but some insight would be great. Thanks and keep up the awsome videos
Great vids and glad I saw this one as I am adding a 36" front end on my 2012 (40" front end). I found the ski pressure on that year wayy too much so I dropped and pulled back the skid 1.25" each way. Then after lengthening the limiter strap, maxing the front(rear) spring, adding an anti stab and trimming the back end of the skid off she rides awesome, but would like it to be a little easier to side hill. So now the narrow front end, Id love to raise the front a little bit but then its back to more ski pressure, I might need some shocks. Wait and see.. Know anyone with 16.33" or 17" fox shocks?? I am very interested on how she rode after the install and any other adjustments you had to do. So any vids on tunnel shortening ??? Keep up the good work! One thing for sure with cats is the harder you ride them the easier it is! “SPG shock therapy” is a 4 part video that will help people Understand how suspensions work and is great for setting up your sled!
After weeks of trying to figure out why I had a one-sided camber issue on my 2017 Mountain Cat, I've learned through buying 3+ different spindles that contrary to popular belief, the 2016+ spindles are NOT all the same. I've even got 2 with the same part #, and they're bent differently - not by accident, but at the factory - multiple variations match, so it's no accident. F**king frustrating. Just saying, that could be the camber issue you're running into as well.
I like how you just dont go buy a new sled every year bro and show us the upgrades you can do. Because not a lot of us can just go buy new sleds every year. Or we can and just dont want the payment. Great vid bro
Ahaha you did exactly the same thing i did on my 14 m8000 i did mine like 3 or 4 years a go hahahai kept the coiled sping from standard m8000 lol i left the tirod stock just tutching enuff to take pain off lol
Get rid of that piece of junk lol, I had a 2014 and thought about modding it but instead traded it in for a 2018. I thought I might miss it but I forgot about it in about 5 minutes of riding the new one. Everything about it is better, the track, the handling, the power, the clutching, the ease of the way it comes apart, it's way better on fuel, it burns 1/3 the amount of oil, it doesn't blow belts.. I could go on and on... if I were you I'd just trade it in on a 2019 snopro or something, they will all be on sale here, I bet you'll get one for 11500 or so. Our local dealership has a few for 13k right now with 5 years of warranty, I'm actually thinking about it because my 18 is now off warranty.
Syxxes Performance ya man doo it. I've done what your doing before and the problem I had is you get so much time and money infested in your sled and then at the end of the day you're still riding an old piece of shit you have to wrench on all the time and when you do finally get pissed off enough and trade it in you get 4 grand for it.
Best filmed mod video in sled history angles and that montage were perfect no one in RUclips does this just cuts to when it’s finished
Glad ya liked it!
We have been moding my son’s 2013 m8 over the last week - C3 belt drive, oil delete, jack shaft bearings and new front end. Wow is this thing so much harder to work on compared to my Axys. Everything took twice as long as you would think.
I was still modding my old M7 until I rode an Alpha....now I’m saving!
Yup! That's a long ways back in history when it comes to mountain sleds!
This was the video I needed !!! Might half to do this to my 2015 ! Camera shots were perfect.
I'll be doin a bunch more stuff comin soon!
That will be a great improvement. It will be like riding a new sled. Another free and easy mod that will also be a good improvement and will save you about 4-5lbs is to cut all the finger lugs off that track to match the 3" version of it. I did that to my 2.6 and its crazy how much better it climbs. You can feel it grabbing the snow better and it just wants to keeping going.
Thanks for the info!
In the near future
Matt designs and builds a new Sled!
Year 2022 Matt launches a new series of Sleds
M C And Calls It The Matt Doo!!🧐
I dunno guys. I'm not sure if I'm THAT smart! xD
@@syxxes Hey Matt..we all know that you are! In fact all three of you guys are. .make a great team on the sleds and I am certain that the three of you would certainly build a first class sled with mountain riding. .make several models for the beginner and all the way up to the Top for Advance Riders.
Like most of us. .if we're not riding..we are thinking about it. Look at the ease that you modified whitey..imagine the colabration with Shaun and Ben.
Make Alberta Proud and Strong with a new line of Sleds!
Matt, give it a thought..
To be honest, I'd be willing to help if I can and certainly be one of the first to buy a sled from you.
I'll send you a letter to the address listed on the description. Hopefully I can convince you to consider a New Line of Sleds built here in Alberta Canada.
Thanks for the reply and videos.
Epic Ghost M8000 get some Scary Mods.
Great video Matt.
Matt, I put Polaris Gripper skis on my M8000. They bolt right on, just need to trim the rubbers. Very inexpensive and
excellent floatation compared to the narrow factory ski's.
Might have to. These things have some serious ski pressure now.
Dropping your front end like that is going to lead to more ski pressure unless you drop your skid to match, i know you did but definitely not an inch, but when you drop your skid you'll also be changing the track approach angle, another issue. Great video, great old cat, just a few problems i could see happening
Oh ya. It's not gonna climb worth a shit.
I have a 14 m8000 with a 16 front end and I love it , it handles a lot better
Kooper Volk 16 front is 36 inch?
Henrik yea
Kooper Volk big different? I have a m800-13 with 38 inch front end now. Thinking about making it smaller.
The front of the rear skid will need raised like you said. I worked on a 2012 cat that had a 16 front put on the same way and the added ski pressure would rip the bars out of your hands. Lowered the front of the skid and that problem was solved but created two more problems. The added approach angle wore the hifax off in ten miles and the risk of stabbing the track was obvious.
Minor things, good luck
Oh ya, there are gonna be issues along the way. It has antistab and all that installed though
@@syxxes might want to change the chain case to a newer 2017, 1702-424 or a larger diameter driver if it fits with the 2.6 to get the approach angle off of the rail too
@@joshkoltes You're talking all new tunnel and chassis to make that change
@@syxxes just have to get creative with some .060 stainlss steel plates. It really depends if it's handling badly.
Tit for tat, move the front gotta move the back
Can’t wait to see it perform in the powder! Great how-to video!
Yeah. Just have tested it out on the rocks so far!
Higher and narrower! I bet that thing is going to feel playful in the mountains!
Fat_Tones YA instead of Rolling Him! It will be throwing Him! Should be good footage!!🤟
Hope to get it into me REAL Snow soon!
@@syxxes Ha ha yeah that AB east slopes snow just ain't cutting it eh! I think the snow is currently better down here in the AB flatlands. Valemount soon for us though.
Looking good man whitey gets a little modding done!!
Gonna be a new machine!
@@syxxes looking forward to seeing the vids on the modifying
I watch all these badass back country riders and I've yet to own my own sled hopefully before next season I can get something even if its an older sled. Good vid man nice sled🤘
Nothing wrong with startin on something old. We all did!
Matt! Don't know if you guys watch Powermodz, but he's sending a couple sleds to ride out in BC! It would be super cool to see if you guys met up!
Yeah been watching that channel for longer than I been making videos!
If anyone reads this comment and support these guys.. you will watch the commercials... like and comment .. keep these guys going !!! 🇨🇦
Thanks bud
Good mod I think she will be a different beast all together
It was a weird feelin machine!
Birthday upload 👌 wish I could be helping out workin on ol whitey for my birthday
She still goin! Works great on the rocks!
Have you considered doing a tki belt drive also to cut some weight? I would like to see an install video if you do it on ol whitey or possibly.... Bens softcore?
Do you have a video on how to fill the front shocks?
Would it be possible to get a longer bolt/joint that the tie rod bolts onto the spindle so it’ll raise it up. Maybe an inch longer.
I got spacers under em now.
Keep sending it! I wish we had snow/terrain like you do. I only get two trips a year to ride.
Hey Matt, in this video you say there is a trick to taking off just the spindles. I need to take mine off, have the shock, control arm, all the nuts off and the sucker won't budge. Help is needed buddy!
What do you do for work now Matt? Love the vids
uhh. This!
Obviously getting the tunnel higher out of the snow helps get through the snow but are there any other pros or cons to putting the skid bolt to the bottom hole...?¿?
Yeah it won't be climbing like it did before. That attack angle on the track will be a little aggressive
I have a set of shock spacers i got with a 36" front end kit, i bought new front shocks if you're looking for a set. Hope you realize how much weight it going to be on the skis now.
Thanks, but not lookin for a set.
Giving powerModz a little competition
Darn tootin!
Looks good man, love the vids
Thanks Paul!
Alpha Rail coming soon !!!!!
If I could find it for cheap I totally would!
@@syxxes Tell Landon over at the Parlour he needs to track one down! lol
You got great content man keep it up!
Thanks! Appreciate it!
I SEE A PHAZER IN THE BACKGROUND!!! I MISS IT
I know! I have to get it out!
@@syxxes building a phazer of my own! I call it the emperor. 700 Polaris motor with a 166 05 track, tunnel and suspension! Wish I could ride with you some day!
Next step rk tek 925. They run very well.
I was thinkin a C-tec! :D
@@syxxes what does :D mean?
I don't speak that idiolek.
Now why would you want the sled higher? For clearance from the snow?
Snow clearance and to make the sled more tippy.
Syxxes Performance thanks for the reply
Nice Work! What was your measurement on the rear skid, from the front bolt on the tunnel, to the back bolt on the hanger bracket?
Hey Matt: Looks like you 4th lug nut on your front left tire needs to be torqued again? I can just tell.
Taking advice or criticism from RUclips mechanics is just noise.
Keep up the great Vids, absolutely look forward to them each day.
I have no F'ing idea what i am talking about when it comes to lug nuts or truck wheels.
The old youtube mechanics! Everyone is an expert!
Couple years ago I upgraded my 14 to a 16 for the improvements. Was thinking of swapping the front end but found a sweet deal on a 16 so jumped on it. Liked my 14 but love my 16. Not sure if you have tried this but I read removing the front bogey wheels helps with the sleds on edge performance on off camber crusty snow conditions. I'm keeping an eye on my sliders and so far no noticable excessive wear. What are your thoughts.
All the iceage kits don't require those idler wheels at all. That's just fine to run them that way on the stockers as long as you have the snow
How about just changing the spindles. Do you think that would make any difference in the height difference?
You can't actually just change the spindles. The upper A-arms mount differently.
When is part two coming?? Im waiting like a KID for christmas!
lol I am doing that too lol putting 17 front end on my 12 and I think a bike man kit
Great video!
Thanks Ben!
I want to do the same on my 1100T but its a 2012 can i ask whats different on the 2012?
I’ve got a ‘14 162 limited just like yours, my question to you is can you buy an OEM 16+ front end say off a wrecked sled? Or does it have to be a kit that converts it to the pro climb chassis?
You can do that. You'd actually need the shock spacers and a rebuild to install the kit properly though.
I have a 15 m8 and I want to seap
To 36 inch a arm . If i want to keep my stock shock what fo i need to do? What did u change to make 36 a arm fit?
All the questions you just asked are answered in this video.
hey man. got a question. How do i make my sled wheelie easier? I have my limiter straps as loos as they will go, front skid shock stiffened up and rear shock softened up. will dropping the skid to the bottom hole like you did in the video help at all?
Lookin pretty sweet!
It's comin together!
Hm, nice. I've a full kit lying around to pull my XF in from 42" to 38. New shocks and all. But looking at this video I might have a looksee first if I can make it work with the stock ones (probably not, 4" is a heck of a lot more than 2...). Can this be done without removing the nose or am I only making it harder for myself by leaving it on?
it's easier to remove the hood and the nose skidplate. If these chocks were another 1/16th inch taller they wouldn't have fit at all.
@@syxxes I've done one side sofar, didn't give me many problems aside from having to drill out the holes on the upper A arm and lower shock mount. Tomorrow I'll finish the other side as it was getting cold. Then I'm off to find some deep stuff to try it out!
Well, all buttoned up. Had to remove the muffler (yes, stock) to get to one bolt, which made me have to remove the hood. Then the nut of the big front A arm bolt fell out of its captive location so had to remove the front skid thingie too. Not at all difficult but it could have heen a bit easier if AC would have made slightly different design choices. But oh well, I now have a 38" XF. Lets see how it works...
@@AllajchaSibir I'm sure you'll like it! Especially if you are lookin for somethin more tippy!
@@syxxes I am, actually, 42" is a bear to get on one ski. Sure, it's stable on trail, but I like playing offtrail more! 2021 Riot X with Alpha skid for next year, maybe, that should be fun. I'm more of a backcountry dweller, so no need for an M.
I just put 3 washers on the tie rod to clear
Yup, that's what I got happenin!
Great vid and first time to comment. Noticed you had a belt tucked in behind your exhaust can. How is that done ??
It's just being held there with Zipties.
Put a spacer under tie rod rod end for clearance
Did that! Just didn't show it.
Hey Matt, I'm not sure if you have in the past but would you do how to ride videos? I've seen some and they are always on Polaris and ski-doo. I own a 15 m8000 and from what I have heard they are much harder to lean over and keep on edge. I'm trying to teach myself but some insight would be great. Thanks and keep up the awsome videos
I could work on that for ya. The only reason I haven't is cause there are so many of them videos around.
@@syxxes I wouldn't mind seeing that video if you get around to it
@@rascal1330 I'll see if I can book it in the next time we are out!
@@syxxes awesome keep up the amazing videos. I always look forward to the next video
Idk man... looks like your ski alignment was off 1/16th of an inch....😂. Jk. Looks sick. Be curious to hear how she goes.
I'll let ya know when I get some REAL snow to it!
Will Steering post out of the 4 stroke with a 3inch forward space be the next mod?
I've thought about changing the steering post out, but I'm not sure about it.
Great vids and glad I saw this one as I am adding a 36" front end on my 2012 (40" front end). I found the ski pressure on that year wayy too much so I dropped and pulled back the skid 1.25" each way. Then after lengthening the limiter strap, maxing the front(rear) spring, adding an anti stab and trimming the back end of the skid off she rides awesome, but would like it to be a little easier to side hill. So now the narrow front end, Id love to raise the front a little bit but then its back to more ski pressure, I might need some shocks. Wait and see.. Know anyone with 16.33" or 17" fox shocks??
I am very interested on how she rode after the install and any other adjustments you had to do.
So any vids on tunnel shortening ???
Keep up the good work!
One thing for sure with cats is the harder you ride them the easier it is!
“SPG shock therapy” is a 4 part video that will help people Understand how suspensions work and is great for setting up your sled!
After weeks of trying to figure out why I had a one-sided camber issue on my 2017 Mountain Cat, I've learned through buying 3+ different spindles that contrary to popular belief, the 2016+ spindles are NOT all the same. I've even got 2 with the same part #, and they're bent differently - not by accident, but at the factory - multiple variations match, so it's no accident.
F**king frustrating.
Just saying, that could be the camber issue you're running into as well.
The shorter shock would help the camber issue. Whole lot cheaper and easier to do what you did.
Yup. Thats the reason the camber was so far out. It's got some pretty aggressive ski pressure now too though.
Btw your track is 64th of a degree off 😂😂
Frigg off!
Syxxes Performance 😂😂😂😂
I like how you just dont go buy a new sled every year bro and show us the upgrades you can do. Because not a lot of us can just go buy new sleds every year. Or we can and just dont want the payment. Great vid bro
Thanks! I'm just trying to get a little more life out of it!
Hey matt awesome to see you posting mod vlogs wherw can i get your merch ,want hat and hoodie ?! Ty
Link is done in the description and you can head over to the site!
www.syxxesperformance.com
Ahaha you did exactly the same thing i did on my 14 m8000 i did mine like 3 or 4 years a go hahahai kept the coiled sping from standard m8000 lol i left the tirod stock just tutching enuff to take pain off lol
Good thinkin!
Did you buy a house, or get a cleaned out garage, the background looks different than the old garage
New place!
@@syxxes Matt glad to hear a new place. Is the mailing address in the description still available or will you post the new mailing ? Thanks Matt.
@@MC-gp9ke The mailing address in the description is up to date!
@@syxxes thanks Matt
@@MC-gp9ke No worries man!
Put a alpha one skid in it and track
The ac ok but the Phazer is hot
That's the sled I should have rode this weekend xD
Looks good,Polaris higher
CFR bars?
Nahh, I like the cat bars too much.
Bro that rant about RUclips mechs. Fuckin' Miiint!
Everyone is an expert!l
Yeah, definitely not enough thread on that upper a-arm ;)
Yup. She's fucked.
Next should be the alpha one rail it will fits. lol do it .... do it....
If I could find one for cheap!
Get rid of that piece of junk lol, I had a 2014 and thought about modding it but instead traded it in for a 2018. I thought I might miss it but I forgot about it in about 5 minutes of riding the new one. Everything about it is better, the track, the handling, the power, the clutching, the ease of the way it comes apart, it's way better on fuel, it burns 1/3 the amount of oil, it doesn't blow belts.. I could go on and on... if I were you I'd just trade it in on a 2019 snopro or something, they will all be on sale here, I bet you'll get one for 11500 or so. Our local dealership has a few for 13k right now with 5 years of warranty, I'm actually thinking about it because my 18 is now off warranty.
Wouldn't be a bad way to go.
Syxxes Performance ya man doo it. I've done what your doing before and the problem I had is you get so much time and money infested in your sled and then at the end of the day you're still riding an old piece of shit you have to wrench on all the time and when you do finally get pissed off enough and trade it in you get 4 grand for it.
Please shorten the tunnel that's the perfect sled to do it on
Might be next on the list!
Put a new alpha rail in the old M 8000
Send me one!
Bump steer might be bad? But you probably don’t care in the POW
Yup. Thee is gonna be some of that.
I thought about doing this but sold my 14 just bought a 16
Yeah at least you get the clutches that way.
Am I the first comment? Hell yes
Don't you love that people that work at McDonald's can tell you how to fix your sled and they can't even change oil in there own vehicles 😂😂
Old????
As far as M8000s go. Yup
But why??
Lift it. Make it more tippy. Give it more snow clearance. Change the way the machine handles for less than 350 bucks.
Ur clutches aren't aligned bro u can see it on the m8
Ok any M8000 is not old.
Bro you need heat in your garage,
Head on over to Patreon! Lol
No hate But i do not accept this green slander
just get to the point when filming. Video could of been done in half the time. just saying
Well the watch half the video xD
What about going this with trencher a arms and the riot spindles?
Sure. if you have the money. I wanted to do this mod for cheeeeep$$$