Marilyn vos Savant - Improving Education
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Marilyn vos Savant discusses some of the difficult issues of education, and proposes that allowing people, including children, more freedom to pursue their own interests instead of forcing the same curriculum on everyone would result in more passionate and more intelligent people.
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She is living proof that you can have both brains and beauty.
Some genders can't be put down so they are helped and filled with love and confidence for the reason that they can't take being inferior because of their weakness
#fragile #lovable #helpful
"Why Shakespeare at grade 10? I didn't understand it until I was 30".
That's a moment where I connected very well with her. I don't really know how "intelligent" she is, ambiguous as the term is. However it seems her mind is very clear and she knows about many diverse subjects, and also that she takes active steps to minimize bias and fallacy. Even if you find IQ to be a very incomplete measurement, she no doubt is a very bright mind and interesting to listen to.
inspiring to hear this interesting lady.
Ditto on Shakespeare! I stlll do not grok it, and I'm a polymath. Lots of pretty things, but I'll probably pick it up some year. I never appreciated opera until I was over 40.
I've lived an incredibly diverse and rich life, and yet i've only done a small fraction of what i'd like to do- things must come at their own pace, else it is lost.
If you want a kid to love Shakespeare at 16, you have to do a lot more in the preceding decide than current schooling does.
kudos to MVS!
Methought I heard a voice cry 'Sleep no more!
Macbeth does murder sleep', the innocent sleep,
Sleep that knits up the ravell'd sleeve of care,
The death of each day's life, sore labour's bath,
Balm of hurt minds, great nature's second course,
Chief nourisher in life's feast,--
~Shakespeare
This is a small snippet of a much longer interview.
In it, I wish they had TWO microphones and a sound editor who had muted out the interviewer's constant 'Uh-huh', 'yeah', 'but', and other useless distractions.
People actually read easier translations of shakespeare than that in high school and even college. Most srudents that study shakespeare don’t study those works written in very old english, but more modern translations. I read several shakespearean plays and rather enjoyed them.
I've come full circle - first agreeing with her, then disagreeing. As an immigrant who learned English as a second language, and after 30 years in the American public education system, working in both progressive and traditional schools, I now lean more heavily towards *E.D. Hirsch*, and the ideas in his book, *Cultural Literacy*:
"The theories that have dominated American education for the past fifty years stem ultimately from Jean Jacques Rousseau, who believed that we should encourage that natural development of young children and not impose adult ideas upon the before they can truly understand them … He thought that a child’s intellectual and social skills would develop naturally without regard to the specific content of education … In the first decades of [the twentieth] century, Rousseau’s ideas powerfully influenced the educational conceptions of John Dewey, the writer who has most deeply affected modern educational theory and practice … Dewey strongly seconds Rousseau’s opposition to the mere accumulation of information: ‘Development emphasizes the need of intimate and extensive personal acquaintance with a small number of typical situations with a view to mastering the way of dealing with the problems of experience, not the piling up of information’ …
"Dewey assumed that … education need not be tied to specific content. [However, in so doing he] placed too much faith in children’s ability to learn general skills … and too hastily rejected ‘the piling up of information’. Only by piling up specific, communally shared information can children learn to participate in complex cooperative activities with other members of their community …
"[It is a] universal fact that a human group must have effective communications to function effectively, that *effective communications require shared culture and that shared culture requires transmission of specific information to children*. Literacy, an essential aim of education in the modern world, is no autonomous, empty skill but depends upon literate culture. Like any other aspect of acculturation, literacy requires the early and continued transmission of specific information. Dewey was deeply mistaken to disdain ‘accumulating information in the form of symbols.’ Only by accumulating shared symbols, and the shared information that the symbols represent, can we learn to communicate effectively with one another in our national community …
"Cafeteria-style education, combined with the unwillingness of our schools to place demands on students, has resulted in *a steady diminishment of commonly shared information between generations and between young people themselves.* Those who graduate from the same school have often studied different subjects, and those who graduate from different schools have often studied different material even when their courses have carried the same titles. The inevitable consequence of the shopping mall high school is a lack of shared knowledge across and within schools. It would be hard to invent a more effective recipe for cultural fragmentation …
"To be culturally literate is to possess the basic information needed to thrive in the modern world … That children from poor and illiterate homes tend to remain poor and illiterate is an unacceptable failure of our schools, on which has occurred not because our teachers are inept but chiefly because they are compelled to teach a fragmented curriculum based on faulty educational theories. Some say that our schools by themselves are powerless to change the cycle of poverty and illiteracy. I do not agree. They can break the cycle, but only if they themselves break fundamentally with some of the theories and practices that education professors and school administrators have followed over the past fifty years …
"It is true that, under our present curricular arrangements, academic achievement is heavily determined by family background. But we cannot conclude from the present sate of affairs that deprived children would be predestined to low achievement under a different school curriculum …
"*Literate culture is the most democratic culture in our land: it excludes nobody; it cuts across generations and social groups and classes; it is not usually one’s first culture, but it should be everyone’s second, existing as it does beyond the narrow spheres of family, neighborhood, and region.*
"To withhold traditional culture from the school curriculum, and therefore from students, in the name of progressive ideas is in fact an unprogressive action that helps preserve the political and economic status quo. Middle-class children acquire mainstream literate culture by daily encounters with other literate persons. But less privileged children are denied consistent interchanges with literate persons and fail to receive this information in school. The most straightforward antidote to their deprivation is to make the essential information more readily available inside the schools.
"www.coreknowledge.org/who-we-are
"Hirsch, E.D. 1988. Cultural Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know. New York: Vintage Books. pp. xiv-xv, xvii, 20-21, xiii, 115, 21, 23-24."
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To my knowledge, and I've read all her books, she's never claimed any religion, and certainly hasn't proselytized for any.
I think the problem with Shakespear or love movies in general is that now your idea for love is stolen from you
Her speech may not be completely extraordinary, but if you analyze the way she strings words together, you will find a deep, outwardly sense of intelligence. You are able to see intelligence in her actions, and how she is a very smart person, with or without the big words. The length and complexity of speech does not have anything to do with intellect; the phrasings an individual uses does not necessarily have to do with being technically-minded, because many try to hide it to be accepted.
She uses language that’s understood by most people. A person that’s able to communicate to a broad audience explaining complex subjects has a very deep intellect. She’s unpretentious.
1. Ok, guys, to relativize: Yes, she had 185 as an adult. But I would say, 185 is STILL HIGH ! How many people do have such a high IQ?
2. Is it just me, or who else thinks, she ´s not only extremely inteligent, but also very attractive.
No doubt.
Well just like school makes kids less bright, life and people have probably made her less intuitive and progressive, and with that said brains age too. 🧠👍
You will never really see her intelligence on shows like this because she is talking in host terms. But yes highly intelligence, most people see high intuitive intelligence as not making much sense.
I love her, would love to watch an interview where her level of intelligence is truly tapped into.
Her IQ is higher than 185 but yes she's very sexy
Maybe if this interviewer had the most intelligent person in the world on stage with him, he would let them talk -- oh, wait, he _does_ have the most intelligent person with him. So why does he think he is the guest?
@Jammieg001
Who decides? :p I wish your question was either trickery or tricky, but it seem just to be a question that's not exactly thought through. It seem so little thought through that you should be able to answer it yourself.
Here's a clue: you, me, scientists, politicians, everyone, no one. Vague questions demands vague answers.
Expected nothing less of the person with the highest IQ
She did an IQ test for children, so the result of 228 would more likely be 185 something if it was real life. And people who thinks IQ has something to do with real intelligence makes me sick. 50% of the results are how fast you answer. I did the test for adults when I was 14 and I got 138, even though I didn't have a single wrong.
Reality doesn't care about what you find "sick".
Ipsoz you are really smart, i got mine is 119
@Jammieg001
What's "maturing"? Reaching sexual age the first? If so, no, they're concerned only with intellectual maturity - and yes, there's a high correlation between intellectual maturity and IQ, but that is not literary and directly what IQ measures obviously: Different IQtests vary in what they attempt to measure, but usually it's measuring the ca. intellectual level of the 'most common areas' argued to be the areas which are the most important to make it (make good decisions etc)
Not loud enough to hear
humans evolved by necessity not freedom, kids free to chose will chose cartoons and video games
only difference being beauty has unfair advantages :P
Life is unfair. It takes facism to make it "fair" and then all you can do is push everyone down to the same lowest level.
Read "Harrison Bergeron". It illustrates where equity is headed.
despite of scientific bullshit she is beautifull!
Being well rounded is overrated!
What's considered 'well rounded overall' is still subpar. I agree with her. Give the HS students programs/skills that interest them, and let them excel at that.
Yes that is why it's democrats goal to remind them, every election.
Wasted so much time at school.
There are different types of intelligence.
nonsense, when has a well rounded education stopped anyone from entering a field of expertise? a general education is your first two years, that helps you decide what you want to study... you focus more on your field the further you educate yourself.
Well, you don't hear about all the people for whom it has stopped.
And actually, from a very young age they have been stopped from becoming Einsteins in their field because from a very young age they have been forced to have a so-called well-rounded education. Which means everytime a bell rang they had to stop what they were doing and were forced to go on to the next subject.
We have all barely learned a lot of subjects and never allowed to focus on the ones that we really loved and were proficient at. Compulsory schooling has been to the detriment of us all.
subhidevi. again, total nonsense, everyone has the ability to enter the field they want, many people don't know what they want until they're adults, many, many people find their "calling" later in life, the idea that learning many subjects is a "detriment to us all" is the stupidest thing i've ever heard, i hope like hell you don't have anything to do with education.
@@tomitstube the point is that a well-rounded education at the expense of the love of learning is useless. The issue is the desperation of administrators (and thus, teachers) to get through curricula as opposed to spending enough time to nurture the miracle of evolution that is a child’s mind. I knew way too many people, including myself, that really were over-taxed by trying to be great at everything in school. It’s possible if you work hard enough, but that level of hard work (homework and extra-curricular activities notwithstanding) for 13 of your first 18 years of development is not healthy and is certainly not conducive to the average child enjoying the learning process.
@@patrickwithee7625 more complete nonsense. you want to know what impedes people from studying what they love? a lack of social mobility or lack of access to the sources one needs to learn, or an education that molds you into cogs in the corporate wheel... and the subsequent dead end job that slowly kills you and your dreams... you're way off the track here, and like the other guy i hope you stay the hell away from education.
@@tomitstube and @Patrick Withee, Both of your comments are additive not diametric opposites. If you're alive, you have to be in motion doing something, besides breathing. Call it what you want - homework or extra-curricular activity, etc. Point is, if you love what you're doing it isn't work. The goal is to spend more time doing those things that bring your natural ambitions (motivation) and dreams (inspiration) into focus, translatable to reality. As a consequence, you may hope to ignite a similar passion in others with knowledge of your accomplishments. I hope you both help support and mold education. FLASH WARNING... it's a lot harder then it seems.
Ummmmmmmmmm..............
Yes?
Considering that she's almost twice as smart the average human, it's surprising that she doesn't sound any different than us. She isn't any more articulate than the average person, and it disappoints me. Somehow, I expected her to use more big words and stutter less
Not impressed
Not more than an above the average columnist.
So much great talents and personalities have passed in human history that she would seem tiny as compared to their achievements.
No reason to get enthralled with her.
What happened to assessing people on the scale of practical human life?
So you are implying she is a fraud?