Sky City: The Skyscraper China Tried (and Failed) to Build in 90 Days
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@9:15 The elevator trip might take nine minutes to reach a hospital floor but an ambulance trip across the same distance in *Manhattan* can take _longer._ Emergency elevators don't have to fight traffic.
A turn of the *Emergency* key, a press of the button and you go directly to your destination. (That applies to getting the *Medics* _to_ the emergency floor as well as _from_ that floor back to the hospital floor.)
Just the arrival time to your location when you call an ambulance takes that long
Yes, the too long time for EMTs to reach the patient argument seems dubious - and at any rate if it was of real concern I imagine given how many people would be inside the building it should be feasible to have a dedicated EMT team inside the building that would be able to arrive at scene and start giving treatment in
I live in the Canadian prairies. Ambulances take 20 minutes minimum....if they don't get lost. Plus 45 minutes to the neatest hospital which usually reroutes you 1.5 hours the other way. 9 minutes seems like a God send
9 minutes fir care seems amazing
@@colin3387 on the other hand, the Canadian prairie sounds amazing, and much preferable to this 'building you never need to leave. '
Exactly what I was thinking. I live literally four blocks from the hospital and it would definitely take longer to get there than to get to the 'hospital floor' in that building, no matter where in the building you were.
Preassembled, module building is more common than Simon apparently knows. It's used a lot in hotels, and sometimes in apartments.
Think about it. if you're going to have to make the same hotel room (or London studio apartment) 1000 times why wouldn't you make it in a warehouse, where there are never weather delays, where there's no hazard pay for heights, and where you can organize the whole thing in an assembly line. Then you lift it up, slot it in, and weld it to the steel structure you built on site. These building are often designed with plug and play utility hook ups where the units meet the hallway.
The limiting factor is width, for transport. But, you can design a 2 bedroom apartment in 3 widths, (Master bdrm, bath)(Kitchen / living)(Kids bdrm, 2nd bath, laundry) and cover up your joins with doorway thresholds and paint.
All incorrect. I'll assume you aren't in the construction industry but as an ironworker I can tell you that your pipedream isn't realistic.
As someone who has spent A LOT of time in Toronto watching new buildings go up, and a lot of time in Toronto taking a building down... not at all how that works.
What a brilliant plan. Let's build the world's tallest building in one of the few remaining *wetlands* in Changsha
1:25 - Chapter 1 - Manufactured skyscrapers
2:40 - Chapter 2 - One building city
5:35 - Mid roll ads
6:45 - Chapter 3 - Sustainable building ?
9:20 - Chapter 4 - Already behind schedule
11:20 - Chapter 5 - Not giving up
Thanks these should be compulsory
Wetlands? They ment to build this in wetlands? Monty Python springs to mind.
"Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp."
Makes me think of Judge Dredd and Mega-City One, and i mean the 2012 movie, of course, which played out mostly inside a giant tower complex.
Don´t remind me that we never got a Sequel for that masterpiece.
@@theexchipmunk Ah yeah, i'm still waiting as well.
Then again, Karl Urban is great and i wouldn't protest it if he still got the part in a possible sequel, but i remember Dredd as a skinnier dude, although it's still a major improvement over Stallone, no disrespect to Stallone, but he just wasn't the right guy.
But yeah, i would like to see a skinny dude with big shoulder pieces, Marvel has shown that 'over the top/true to comics' can work in movies, so make it happen!
Watch Towering Inferno, 1974, with Steve McQueen, Paul Newmen, William Holden, Faye Dunaway. Technically a bit behind the times, but assholes / politicians never go out of date! And, living in a swaying tower is a terrible idea.
I visited an architectural firm a few years ago where they claimed that they were designing a building for a confirmed client, which would be 1000 meters (the structure, that is. Their client was not Godzilla or Paul Banyan.) I've yet to hear anything about it.
There are only three currently somewhat alive proposals to create 1km tall buildings. Jeddah Tower (stalled, who knows when that will resume), Dubai Creek Tower (who knows when this will get off the ground. Also not technically a skyscraper), and Obslico, which will be a 1km skyscraper in the new administrative city in Egypt. Supposedly will be finished around 2030 is all goes to plan
designed =/= built. there's probably 100s of ready to build plans sitting around the middle east but they've yet to top the burge since 2008
Yeah, proposals don't always mean actual plans to build it. For example, there's a proposed 2000km tall building that would be a vertical "country" and have space elevators, but, there's no formal plans to build it.
This concept feels like it's pure cyberpunk and not in a good way
If things that were never built qualify to be a Megaproject, how about a video about the underwater city in the Atlantic Ocean, called "Rapture"? One hint on how to find it: It was built by Andrew Ryan.
😂great idea.
Now I need Death Star II: The Orbital Battle-Station Palatine Tried (and Failed) to Build in 5-6 years
pls simon
As someone who works in the highrise construction industry...this is a pipe dream to the extent that it won't be built unless it's using titanium, bullet proof glass, and most likely, magic.
Architects can dream all they want...engineering says "curb your enthusiasm".
They did built a 57 story building in 19 days thought, I would give them credit for that.
A 57 story building is not t same as an 838 meter tall building.
2045: Sky City has been completed in record time 😎
2046: Sky City collapsed due to structural failure and engineering oversight 😐
That sounds like an amazing, albeit imaginary, project - so long as the whole city/building is managed by an advanced AI named Red Queen.
Alice could work too
and they name it 'The Hive.'
_"You're ALL going to die down here"_ ‼️
"fish farming" had a chuckle at that, for a "city" being built in 90 days, and your foundation is filled enough with stagnant water it turns into a (man encouraged) ecosystem ... that's a great start
Would it have had a fire and police department in it? Dedicated emergency elevators that traveled faster might have helped get people to the hospital floor.
with china's population saving the sick and injured isn't their highest priority if they're not top party members!!!
90 days , I certainly would not want to be near it let alone in it. Thank you for sharing though Simon
i do wonder about that animation of a chopper on helipad... time and time again i was told by actual helicopter pilots that flying near cliffs is dangerous and even here in very small coutry i live in there are few accidents because of the unpredictable winds around natural sctructures like that soooo will it be safe i wonder...
Yes, as per the world’s most used helicopter deck standard, CAP 437, they need way more distance than the animation shows
@@perstaunstrup3451 exactly :)
Can you do the history of The Thunderbirds?
It's a long, tragic, beautiful story.
Thank you.
....that hopelessly optimistic puppet show from the '60's...?
....why....?
@@Shinzon23 i believe he means the air force demo team not that TV version of this fairy tale!!!
@@keithmoore5306 that makes more sense. Thunderbirds always struck me as hopelessly optimistic... and the tech would have been more useful to society if it had proliferated...
@@Shinzon23 that puppet thing, i saw part of one of it and changed the channel it never made any damn sense to me! but it was made for kids and from the looks of it the ones that made it never really grew up!
@@Shinzon23 If it's not about the show, this project is straight out of it, seems like an obvious leap to me 😂
"lets build one of the tallest structures to live in... lets also rush it." I've seen enough stuff on questionable Chinese craftsmenship and structural integrity to know to stay at least the height of this building away from it
They pulled it off when they built the hospitals at the onset of Covid. Don't underestimate them. Remember how many people doubted the Burj Khalifa.
A two-story hospital is different from an 838 meter tall building.
i remember long ago in college i had to fill out an environmental impact assessment just to buy some large computers for a professor (not that they were considered dangerous. i think it was because anything above a certain price range had to have it) how did they not do one before planning a ginormous building? :-D i guess if they restarted the project it would have to include "loss of fish farm" :-)
china. their environmental assessment was "Well its not an entire city made of cement"
If we're going to do megastructures that never actually got built, I'd love to see one on Frank Lloyd Wright's plans for the Illinois Mile-High Tower. It was designed to be 5,280 feet tall (5,706 feet including antenna) yet have less sway on the top floors than many early skyscrapers. If I recall correctly, structurally it was considered feasible, but safety concerns were the main objections (how would you fight a fire on the top floors?).
And they really didn't have the technology to build that tall in the early 20th century. We do have all the necessary technology to build 5280ft\1600m nowadays. It would mainly require a developer with ambitions as high as their pockets are deep!
Bruh... Someone having a health crisis at the top would be lucky af if they only had a few minutes to help at the bottom. Considering my dad had a health crisis at his house and had to wait on an ambulance to come and take him to a hospital 25minutes away... He may have lived had it only been a few minutes down an elevator to a hospital
So sorry that you lost your dad, that must have been tough. I as a nurse of 20 years service I think a few minutes in a lift to the hospital sounds like a bonus point
The Tower of Babel. I understand the metaphor even better now thanks to this video. Blaze on
A lot of weight on squishy ground. That makes sense. Anyone remember the Millennium Tower in San Francisco?
Thanks
Lest we forget China is also a country that built Tianducheng, which was a replica of Paris, but it's kind of a ghost city for years, because people didn't want to move there.
Thees project are amazing and terrifying. People living working and playing in 1 building for their entire life. What happens if there is a natural disaster or a terrorist attack. Not just your house but your world is evacuated.
Fuck I never even thought about that
It's not a prison
@@peteklassen5338 neither is your City on a daily basis how often do you leave the city including suburbs?
It's more about the efficient production of lots of valuable real estate than forcing people to live their entire lives in a single building.
Natural disaster risk can be engineered away. Terrorist networks can be destroyed. These are not the main problems of a project like this. It's probably more about regulations and labor unions.
@@peteklassen5338 lets not mention the people who literally can’t identify farms from the air. Or know where food comes from, or the fact people actually have to harvest food from fields. This is a real thing.
The point the critics made about medical emergencies in the Elevator is a bit silly, "It could take several minutes to reach the bottom before they could get treatment" - yeah because most existing smaller buildings have bloody hospitals in them 😂🤣
With a government mandated moratorium on structures greater than 500 meters in height throughout China, it's unlikely it will ever get built. At least in China.
All you need to get the permit is a proper bribe. 😁
Location, location, location. Where the heck were they trying to build this? Some city with a population that would have never been able to support a building of that size with the manpower and resources for it to function. That's like putting a skyscraper in the middle of Alice Springs - just because you build it doesn't mean "they will come" LOL
Wait, a construction project was denied because of environmental reasons. In China. What kind of twisted parallel universe do I find myself in this fine day?
It's a face saving thing. They knew they couldn't build it so blamed it on a bird.
Projects that the Chinese government want tend to be completed on time (cough) and within budget (cough cough).
How convenient to ignore the months/years of detailed planning, pre-construction works, ground works, pre-fabrication, not to mention palm greasing (which of course doesn't happen in China - cough cough cough). Or that nobody will ever tell you when day zero actually was, nor when day ninety was.
and lets not forget these are the same chinas who clame they didnt delibratly spread covid19 and arent delibratly causing global warming yes i beleive them NOT
Having a helicopter pad built on the side of a tall building like that shown in the graphic might be a really bad idea. In addition to the likelihood of high winds at that elevation, and the winds careening around the building in ways that may be difficult for the pilot to predict and compensate for, there's the issue of rotor wash that's reflected off the nearby wall of the building. As the helicopter maneuvers close to the wall, the rotor wash reflects off that wall, and causes a sudden change in the way that lift is generated, or may cause the tail rotor to suddenly swing the helicopter around one way or the other. Better to just put the pad at the top of the building where the variables are minimal.
can't sell a penthouse without helicopter access
I have done too many mega-projects to believe people claiming ‘We can do this faster than anyone ever did while also doing it cheaper than anyone ever did, and also being the safest and most environmentally friendly’.
Yep, there's 3 things, quality, cost and speed. You only get to choose 2.
Got a side project for ya, my home town's upgrades to main Street. Supposedly a first in its construction method. Slabs of pre-fabbed concrete road sections. Winder, GA. Not sure if enough for a whole episode, but maybe for one with multiple topics.
Doing prefabricated parts is fine, it makes for faster construction time.
Brain Blaze topic idea: Top 5 Biggest China Fails
What I'm trying to get my head around is this. "What crazy leap of vanity and hubris would tempt someone to want something like this built in just 90 days?" While I can see some tiny grain of point in the building itself, only the most bloated of heads could want the bragging right of so little time.
it's not about bragging rights, it's about maximum efficiency
For us in eastern europe first image of manufactured buildings is probably the soviet apartment buildings that you can find in basically any city of a post-soviet state
Tofu Tower??
The biggest PR scam I've ever heard of involving a building.
i loved that tornado bit... funny
This building looks like it was the basis for the movie Skyscraper, with The Rock.
So they basically wanted to make a present day miniature Hive City.
That was my immediate reaction too. And in a spot not too far from the location of Lion's Gate Space Port and Sky City in 40k.
The crane was probably just a face saving measure. Broad Group probably asked the government to block them to avoid embarassment for their tofu dreg project.
What a boring way to live.... Never leaving the building.... Boring..... But another great watch from Simon and his team at Megaprojects.
So it was an Arcology. Wonder why he didn't just call it that instead of 'sky city'. If the stacking of the tower was similar to the Sears (Willis) tower in Chicago - the sway would have likely been mitigated. Although I need more info on the amount of steel / concrete ratio to be sure of this, it's certainly possible. Counterweight dampers similar to the Citicorp building could have also been worth exploring. Speaking of - I don't see a megaprojects take on the Sears tower - that'd be a good future candidate.
They could have used the same damper design as Taipei 101.
It's like a lattice structure where every module is structural.
They also changed their construction method to build even faster, their new modules are unfoldable and incredibly light (BCore sandwich structure you can see at the beginning of the video)
Great video, but I'd have thought it should go in Side Projects, since it hasn't actually been built.
A place for everything and everything in its place kinda guy huh?
A building I would never have to leave sounds amazing!!!!!
OMG, how would they get water to the top? How would they evacuate it? 104 elevators? How is that enough for 30,000 people? "I'm just not sure how well this plan was thought through."
Liked just for the Meet the Robinsons reference. lol
Simon, the excellent video aside, your beard has reached magnificence level.
One could be conceived, born, schooled, employed, shop, retire, die, and get buried in the same structure.
On what floors were the sweat shops planned to be?
What I don't get is, why is it so necessary to build a skyscraper in the wetland? There isn't enough land that's dry where to build?
I work on the fifth floor of a six story building. I can't imagine living on the 100th floor or higher. Not even the 20th. And definitely not with another whatever floors above me.
What was with the Brain Blaze meme in a megaproject?
It’s the Mega City block from Dredd
7:10 4 paned? dafuq, i live on the 15th floor of a high rise and double paned is all i'd ever need or so i thought
Pre-fab skyscrapers made in china sound about as safe as tower blocks of flats built in britain, wouldn't set foot near one myself... :P
I would not trust their old process but their new BCore material is pretty advanced.
Considering how the Chinese (including those in Taiwan) have a habit of modifying their apartments / condos by knocking out walls they they don't consider important and the resulting building collapse that sometimes occurs as a result of it, I suspect that for them, a building like this would just be a disaster waiting to happen.
The structural steel columns of this building is not something you "knock out" without tens or hundreds of kilograms of high explosives.
I've seen this movie, the tower inferno staring Paul Newman
The counterweights of a lift are AFAIK heavier than the max load so as far as I know max power generated would be on an empty lift going up… the more you know. A lift fails safe ish…
Well done, very insightful, keep
My worst fear is being in an elevator collapse at the top of a skyscraper.
Simon, you may find bagger 288/293 and or Bingham Canyon copper mine cool. You should do videos on them.
I thought the failed projects were supposed to be on side porjects
"Sky" and underground cities are still the best options to reduce our land footprint. To relocate whole towns into these... to rehabilitate and turn the old towns back wild.
Do you want Hive Cities?
Cause this is how we get Hive Cities.
Yeah, think I’ll keep my farm, but feel free to live underground or in the air
Just a few quick numbers just for fun.... to house Houston's population, 128 of sky city towers would be needed (~2,3M citizens % ~18,000 person per tower = ~128 towers). If using 1mi2 per tower (to make gardens, pools and parks around them), we could convert back 472 mi2 of Houston's current 600 mi2 into wild forests and lakes (minus Houston's industries... still a shit load of mi2 to turn back to nature + saving on roads/ city infrastructures/ taxes etc). To destroy countless natural habitats to build suburb bungalows ment to accommodate 2 rich retired persons... it's completely absurd.
p.s. @Town drunk, sky cities are ment to reduce cities footprints. It would be useless to build such towers in the middle of nowhere (or in places where you need a farmer 24/7).
@@La.máquina.de.los.sueños
I repeat:
Do you want Hive Cities?
This is how we get Hive Cities
@@aaronbasham6554 It depend by what you mean by "hive cities". There's a few in video games... are you using a post apocalyptic video game argument?
A sky city can be anything we want it to be. For sure, they NEED to be attractive, luminous, cheap and practical enough to make people WANT to move in.
Even a bunker can be turn into a dream palace... same as a standard house can be turned into a slum.. the type of housing don't define how we must live in or what we do with it.
Sky cities offering a new type of housing, of community and city administration. Still cities, but built upward (smaller footprint).
All I could think about is the movie, The Towering Inferno
Not sure if this is where to put this or xplrd I read somewhere they think all the concrete being used in China is moving the North Pole and that we need to even the weight. Could you explore this ideal? I’m curious about it.
Do the x 15 spaceplane
I didn't hear any details about the foundation
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If Sky City was built, it would make for a great disaster as so many buildings made in China are like Tofu due to corruption and shortcuts.
Why all this hate in the comments?
This is the company that just built a 10 story building in 28 hours a few months ago (and a 57 story in 19 days but that was with the old modules, the new ones are lighter and unfoldable so they could build it way faster now)
Their claims are perfectly credible.
There is a world of difference between buildings of that height and Sky City's planned height. From what I've read from actual building engineers, there would be tremendous issues using pre-fab components at that height because they have nowhere near enough stiffness.
Edit: it's covered at around 8:30 in the video, along with some other potential issues.
Good video 👍
Launch it into space and send it to the nearest star as a colony ship
A fire or bad storm in this thing would be a disaster
The Chinese answer to the tower of babel
That tornado joke.... dark af.
11:10 200 km^2 or 125 mi^2, which is it? 1 square mile is ~2.56 square kilometers.
If we could build liberty ships in 4.5 days in WWII I don’t see why this couldn’t be assembled in 90 days, after several years of planning and modeling, but we all know that isn’t going to happen properly in China.
Sounds like a made-up skyscraper from Simon’s brain I watched while scratching my cat’s ears.
A city in a building I never need to leave? Sign me the f up.
Apart from choosing a terrible site and having an unrealistic deadline, the whole thing sounds pretty feasible - although the concerns about steel over concrete should be studied. If the purpose of the building is to actually function as a city district and provide affordable housing for the general public (rather than millionaires) then that's great - this is something desperately needed worldwide. I do feel like they should have tried this on a smaller scale with a smaller skyscraper first as a proof of concept, though.
It’s that one walled in city China had just modern style
Fascinating though this is it doesn't exist.
Trailerpark tower, ha!
Looks like Dredd (2012)
You didn’t mention Broad Groups previous successful building completely in 17 days
Those are different from a megatall skyscraper.
Hey Simon when or you going to build your Simon Tower. Will you build a dungeon for Danny ,Sam, Colin and Katy and ETA
Why would you want to build something like that that fast? Seems like a ton of cutting corners to me
A bit more content from the actual project would have been nice. Too many unrelated video material imho
I can imagine that there isn't that much to show for if it was only rendered and never actually build...
The chances of them ever resuming the build process are extremely low. The CCP has essentially put a ban of sort on tall skyscrapers.
So this wouldve been an arcology o.O
"someone on the top might get medical help only in a few minutes"
Angry rural noises, where medical help may arrive in 15 minutes, if it is a real emergency, or in a few hours, if it is just a normal emergency...
Wonder what the big rush was all about. If I was living on the 87th floor, I'd want to be secure and 90 days doesn't give me that,,,even if possible....which it isnt!!
It's perfectly possible, they built a 57 story building in 19 days and a 10 story building in 28 hours.
considering the safety (or lack thereof) of elevators in China I would not want to go in there
Impossible more like completely illogical considering the value of the infrastructure lost over that time in any place worth building it.