5:50 If it ain't broke don't fix it. Modern controller design doesn't doesn't need ground-up redesigns; just small updates to support the new features and you're good to go. Every controller I've used since 2000-ish has felt suitably comfortable, so why get rid of what works?
I personally loved the Xbox One controller. The 360 was also exceptionally comfortable, but the One felt much nicer and a more solid package. There were virtually no complaints over the controller. Plus, probably bigger profit margins since they didn't need to develop a completely new controller!
The interface which we use to interact with the game limits the designs we can implement and the innovations we can create. By retaining the old hardware without also creating new hardware, we limit the growth of the gaming industry as a whole, and furthermore create an environment where innovation becomes alien and rejected, which leaves us unable to find things that might work better. Certainly, it's good to keep the old when it works, it's good to have comfort, but it's also important to look for things that work better. it's exciting to have new ways to experience things, and new things to experience. Turning with your keyboard worked just fine for many games in the 80-90's, but the advent of DooM's mouse view made fast-paced action games a possibility, and eventually, a phenomenon, resulting in the standard WASD layout we have now.
The problem is that it doesn't support new features that their competitors do. It doesn't have motion controls for precision aiming, it doesn't have modern linear acutator rumble, it doesn't even have rechargeable batteries ffs. It is stuck in 2006 with all the same features as X360 pad, while Sony, Nintendo and even Steam Controller had all that last gen, and some of those they even had in X360 days (later Wiimotes are capable of modern gyro controls, while Sixaxis/DS3 had more primitive motion controls but came with rechargable battery).
The best design feature of the Xbox controller is it work with a battery pack or AAs batteries I'm so glad 8bitdo SN30 Pro+ controller uses a similar design.
@@BenHeckHacks plus after 5+ years and several charge cycles you can always replace rechargeable AA batteries, but good luck finding a lithium battery replacement. I still use my Xbox 360 controllers today because the batteries never degrade
@@9a3eedi Well for sure nonstandard or permanently integrated batteries are not consumer friendly, but if someone wasn't greedy, they could design the bay to take a BL4C or BL5C cell (originally Nokia, now genericised, used in hundreds of devices), with some depth clearance the same bay can work for both. You can get these cells at just about any electronics store. The advantage would be fast in-device charging and fairly decent capacity at very low weight and size. And of course you can get a cheap USB cradle charger, they work perfectly fine, and you can have several to swap them out then. But i don't have gripes with NiMH cells myself. Got a super reliable smart charger 22 years ago and it's still going, an excellent investment of a good chunk of change back then, and average quality Eneloop clones are 5€/4pcs at the next corner store and do quite a bunch of cycles before they degrade. I'm miffed though that there is STILL no gyro support in the new controller.
"emulate the beloved Switch Pro Controller." Which was emulating the Wii U Pro Controller, which was emulating the beloved Xbox 360 Controller. Everyone is emulating the Xbox 360 controller now.
Its not the Xbox 360 controller that the wii u controller was emulating, it was the original Xbox controller, which had a very nice wide and large design which fit nuch better in your hand than the 360 controller.
The USB-C is a great improvement, a much more solid socket. My one handed friend drops his Xbox One controller a lot with it plugged in, best i've managed is a third party battery pack with a magnetic quick release jack plugged into it but the middle pin grinds down pretty quickly
Rechargable NiMH AAs are the optimum solution for Xbox controllers, no cables needed. I recommend getting an eneloops kit or an IKEA charger with white label LADDA batteries so you can get a decent charger as the duracell and energizer chargers are usually two batteries per channel which can easily damage batteries by over charging the weaker cell. If a charger needs two batteries to start charging it's not fit for purpose. EBL also has some decent chargers that come with lower quality cells compared to any made in Japan cell though they're reasonable for Chinese cells.
Sure seems like they took "don't reinvent the wheel" to "just make the wheel rounder!" Normally that'd be bad, but they have had the nicest controllers for so long, their little bumps in technology are worthwhile
Hopefully proven with the addition of the 3.5mm jack mid-way into the Xbox One's life, we'll see more mid-generational improvements and feature addons with the controllers. (Personally I'd love to see the haptic feedback in the Xbox controllers, which the PS5 has).
@@LostParadise_ I wouldn't. It's a waste of money. Rumble is still rumble, and rumble is garbage that should be immediately disabled by opening the controller and desoldering and removing the motors. The reduction in weight is much nicer than any weak vibration you get out of a game. Nothing breaks immersion more than seeing a giant earth shaking explosion on screen while this lump of plastic you're holding vibrates weakly in your hands.
If it ain't broke... I guess they thought "it works, so why change it too much". Great controller. Even in 2020. Thanks again for taking apart a very expensive controller to see what's inside! Cheers!
I wouldn't say it so bold as @Poppa MidKnight , but yeah... first, it isn't the best, there are better controllers, and now with the dual sense... became... shit?
@@frikadasonline dual sense is literally a copy of the xbox controller. Only real difference is the stick positions, and a touch pad that won't be used for much.
Not a lot of need for a custom controller when MS already makes the Xbox Adaptive Controller, which is honestly pretty awesome and has been around for at least a couple years.
Honestly, those controllers are fine. Been playing with a Steam controller lately and I would like to see dual stage triggers, middle finger buttons and a 6 DoF sensor (for fine aiming with motion controls) be more standard (the Steam controller only has a gyro AFAIK, adding acceleration sensing would make it better though right?). I also like the thumb pad instead of a right stick, but I expect that to be a lot more controversial.
I have had several phones with this audio jack design, and i haven't had issues with it, it's pretty reliable, and i abuse my phones way hard. Or you mean like pulling out the cord?
I'm not surprised. Why fix what isn't broken? The USB port was upgraded, the design for the d-pad was "upgraded" (prefer discreet directions myself...), and it got that new share button. Otherwise there's no point to reinvent the wheel on the inside.
Idk if you ended up testing it, I haven't finished the video, but it's likely they doubled the hz of the hall effect sensors (to 250) as they're enabling the use of 120 hz monitors / TVs, so it would make sense that they would double (or increase) the hz for the sensors.
The metal dpad retainer goes through to ground now too. Up probably didn’t have a labeled test point cuz much like the B button it probably travels through to the secondary board and has a labeled test point there instead.
Makes sense really, from a manufacturing standpoint. 98% same parts, mostly in the same places, almost the same casing, so cheaper on the molding side. Minimum redesign time, pick and place setup, probably only had to switch out the faceplate mold between run and even there a very limited change that the moldmaker could incorporate more easily and therefore cheaply, small changes for the additional button support etc. Whole design says 'cheap refresh'.
I bought one of these on sale, along with a 4k tv on sale, in prep for my eventual new Xbox. I have to say, the changes they made are tiny, but boy howdy.. this controller is nigh perfect now and makes the original One controller look like a Gamestop third party piece of hardware.
Least changed controller ben? What about ps1 dualshock 1 to ps2 dualshock 2. It is the same controller although there are some variants of the ps2 controller with a conductive sheet instead of 2 circuit boards.
So its basically the elite series 2 with a share button? The series 2 had the same two antennas inside. I wonder if you can take an analog stick board from an Xbox one controller and plop it in its place?
Why change something that works? Introducing changes now would only cause backlash. If it worked, and people thought it was the best controller, the wisest decision is to change it as little as possible. The only change they were forced to make was the USB-C socket to keep up with the times.
You know what's crazy is I won a Xbox Series-X from Taco Bell - I guess I'm one of the eight people who has one. I think the Xbox controller is still one of the best controllers for any system - no reason to change what is pretty perfect :). To edit: yes the old controllers work on the new xbox.
@@SkuldChan42 lol. No one gets lucky, everything sucks! I was joking, but part of me was thinking “bot?”. I always see those contests, I don’t ever see any winners. Congrats! So you got the system before street date?
I don't know what they've done with the triggers, but the vibration in them is much more pronounced with this controller. And the battery hatch changed slightly, so snap-in rechargeable batteries from the previous gen don't fit.
I hope this controller is better quality then the previous with the Drifting Stick problem or not responding Dpad and recently my shoulderbutton broke. Tried to repair it with a replacement part and works great, until.... i put the case back together and the shoulderbutton hangs. Very frustrating.
5:10 The new Xbox controller works on the Xbox One, PC and smartphones ... and the Xbox One controller works on PC and Xbox Series S|X (and phones if wired or using the newer revisions that have bt)
How do you pry open side plates so easily? I always manage to break off one of those snap-on clips somehow. now I have 2 controllers with wobbly grip thanks to this :P
Not too surprising they didn't change much. Many people enjoy the Xbox One controller, they didn't force anyone to have to upgrade if they already had a bunch for multiplayer, and they instantly didn't make their accessibility controller useless just because of a new generation. Some smart moves there. Although if the PS5 finally gets gryo aiming standardized after it was largely ignored on PS4, Microsoft will fall behind Sony, Nintendo, heck even Steam in that regard.
I like this controller so far, but I wish it had Gryo like the Switch and PS4 controller. Using gyro for on-the-fly aiming adjustments in shooters really bumps up the accuracy, possibly even giving mouse and keyboard a run for its money. Possibly, of course.
I’m happy they aren’t changing I love the little upgrades I’m not getting a series x until my xone breaks I also have a pc so I’m definitely getting the series x controller
@Ben Heck Hacks, I have a bit of a problem using modern controllers I'd like to have something custom made up. Willing to supply parts and pay for labor. I have a idea and should be walk in the park for you. How might i reach you to discuss it?
Hi Ben, I'm going to ask you and another this question: Could you please make a video on how PCIE communication work? I'd like to create an optical Serial/Parallel board for the Intel D945GTP. Anything on the topic would be fantastic. Thank you much. As an example, I'm writing code in C++ using DOS 7.1 or FreeDOS, and I need to access the PCIE to send/receive data optically.
The only reason the Playstation controller needed a big update, is because they haven't really updated their design since the PS1. The Xbox One controller was just about perfect, so I'm glad to see they didn't change it all that much.
It shouldn't be too surprising the generations are the same, now. They've just updated the APU and interfaces to what's new in PC land, aaaaand that's about it.
the whole bottom of the controller is the same to keep support for past controller accessories like the chat pad. I Pre-Ordered a Blue controller months ago, got it the other day it feels great. My ChatPad works with it and now I dont have to deal with the shitty micro b USB port.
I don't have a cable to hand to be certain, but from a rough measurement the dimensions of the port on the controller are very close to those of a Mini-HDMI (type C) port. Only 12 pins instead of 19, but you might be able to jam an HDMI cable in there if you really wanted to.
Not Ben but the most immediate and significant improvement is the dpad. If you play a lot of dpad heavy games like platformers the Xbone controllers and this new one take a hot steaming dump on that abomination. Even the crappy first revision switch pro controller dpad is better than the 360 dpad. The rumble on the triggers on the new controllers is since as is the larger shape though those are matters of personal preference. If neither of those matter the 360 controller is still a solid piece of hardware.
@@DigitalMoonlight Thank you for responding! I use it on my pc mainly to play games like Elite Dangerous and since recent MSFS2020. D-Pad isn't as important for me I guess :)
@@ToTheGAMES in that case you might want to look into a HOTAS setup depending on how much you like flight and space sims as well as how much space you have. A used Saitek X52 can be a solid budget option to get your feet wet. It's like a racing wheel for racing games, not necessary but nice to have if you're a big fan of the genre.
@@ToTheGAMES Also not ben, but, If you're playing Elite Dangerous and other Flight sims, I highly recommend using the DS4/PS4 Controller. It's not as good as HOTAS, but it's way more smooth and fun to play around with the 3-axis gyros as a yoke/flywheel than it is to use the analog sticks. (Sometimes I use all 3 axii, and have the horizontal tilt set to be rudders, which is less intuitive, but it can be fun) For that matter, if you can afford the DualSense, it has a closer ergonomic design to the 360, and better accuracy with its gyros, as well as better analog triggers, which can be useful for controlling thrust or pedals.
Great review, this is how electronics reviews should be done. Have you done a review of any of the Razer Controllers? I am specifically interested in the Wolverine Ultimate, would love to see what someone who knows their stuff thinks of the internals.
why do you want them to change the controller so bad? it isnt that serious they added a new button for clipping without standing still and advanced the d-pad for 2-d games and still is the best controller in the gaming world so whats the problem?
the controllers are all intercompatible. I can pair an original xbox one controller (pre bluetooth) with the series x, and pair the new controller with the xbox one (I tried x1x). someone with a one handed controller for xbox one should be able to seamlessly uses it with the series x and s. (and you can use the same source controllers for both mods now).
Ben, great video. Due to prices of remaining guitar hero controllers, I am looking for evidence that I might be able to retrofit some old controllers with series x electronics and buy the rockband game for like $20. Your video here suggests that I would be able to, pretty easily. Do you see any barriers to doing this?
Is the X series controller better than the Core?, durability & ready for rechargable battery pack?? Hopefully I'm no confused...the x series & s series are identical, & then there is the core?
Can anybody please tell me what those white chords connected to that mini board do? Because I just ruined the solder on one of them but everything seems fine.
DualShock 2 had pressure sensitive buttons. They could read multiple pressure levels where the DualShock 1 was just on or off. I remember it could work with racing games and Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 used it. You could let off the square button slowly with a gun to let off the trigger and stop aiming without shooting and the knife in MGS3 depended on it to make the difference between lightly holding someone at knife point or mashing it down to slit the throat.
Watching you during the strongest part of the tropical storm right now on the gulf coast on Florida quite a bit inebriated because tropical storms/hurricanes are the Florida version of blizzard...what else are you going to do? Thank you so much for the chill video great timing! I am all weathered out and kinda anxious so Ineeded the antithesis of weather which is electronics... Although I think you'd make a great meteorologist. How would you connect Indiana Jones to a weather forecast?
5:50 If it ain't broke don't fix it. Modern controller design doesn't doesn't need ground-up redesigns; just small updates to support the new features and you're good to go. Every controller I've used since 2000-ish has felt suitably comfortable, so why get rid of what works?
I agree! Plus this makes sourcing parts that much easier and cheaper.
I personally loved the Xbox One controller. The 360 was also exceptionally comfortable, but the One felt much nicer and a more solid package. There were virtually no complaints over the controller. Plus, probably bigger profit margins since they didn't need to develop a completely new controller!
The interface which we use to interact with the game limits the designs we can implement and the innovations we can create.
By retaining the old hardware without also creating new hardware, we limit the growth of the gaming industry as a whole, and furthermore create an environment where innovation becomes alien and rejected, which leaves us unable to find things that might work better.
Certainly, it's good to keep the old when it works, it's good to have comfort, but it's also important to look for things that work better. it's exciting to have new ways to experience things, and new things to experience.
Turning with your keyboard worked just fine for many games in the 80-90's, but the advent of DooM's mouse view made fast-paced action games a possibility, and eventually, a phenomenon, resulting in the standard WASD layout we have now.
Literally one button is not "new features"
The problem is that it doesn't support new features that their competitors do. It doesn't have motion controls for precision aiming, it doesn't have modern linear acutator rumble, it doesn't even have rechargeable batteries ffs. It is stuck in 2006 with all the same features as X360 pad, while Sony, Nintendo and even Steam Controller had all that last gen, and some of those they even had in X360 days (later Wiimotes are capable of modern gyro controls, while Sixaxis/DS3 had more primitive motion controls but came with rechargable battery).
The best design feature of the Xbox controller is it work with a battery pack or AAs batteries
I'm so glad 8bitdo SN30 Pro+ controller uses a similar design.
Agreed, such a pro consumer move. I wish more electronics did that
*it works
I agree. It's easier to pop in 2 AA's than to find a super long micro USB cable to tether the controller to keep gaming AHEM PS4.
@@BenHeckHacks plus after 5+ years and several charge cycles you can always replace rechargeable AA batteries, but good luck finding a lithium battery replacement. I still use my Xbox 360 controllers today because the batteries never degrade
@@9a3eedi Well for sure nonstandard or permanently integrated batteries are not consumer friendly, but if someone wasn't greedy, they could design the bay to take a BL4C or BL5C cell (originally Nokia, now genericised, used in hundreds of devices), with some depth clearance the same bay can work for both. You can get these cells at just about any electronics store. The advantage would be fast in-device charging and fairly decent capacity at very low weight and size. And of course you can get a cheap USB cradle charger, they work perfectly fine, and you can have several to swap them out then.
But i don't have gripes with NiMH cells myself. Got a super reliable smart charger 22 years ago and it's still going, an excellent investment of a good chunk of change back then, and average quality Eneloop clones are 5€/4pcs at the next corner store and do quite a bunch of cycles before they degrade.
I'm miffed though that there is STILL no gyro support in the new controller.
"emulate the beloved Switch Pro Controller." Which was emulating the Wii U Pro Controller, which was emulating the beloved Xbox 360 Controller. Everyone is emulating the Xbox 360 controller now.
Its not the Xbox 360 controller that the wii u controller was emulating, it was the original Xbox controller, which had a very nice wide and large design which fit nuch better in your hand than the 360 controller.
Right. Because the Wii U Pro Controller looked nothing like a 360 controller. /s
@@UnintendedSheep Wii U Pro Controller looks nothing like the original Xbox controller.
@@bahamutbbob Yeah because one was white plastic and the other black.
Well...360 Controller was the best controller ever made...
The USB-C is a great improvement, a much more solid socket. My one handed friend drops his Xbox One controller a lot with it plugged in, best i've managed is a third party battery pack with a magnetic quick release jack plugged into it but the middle pin grinds down pretty quickly
Rechargable NiMH AAs are the optimum solution for Xbox controllers, no cables needed. I recommend getting an eneloops kit or an IKEA charger with white label LADDA batteries so you can get a decent charger as the duracell and energizer chargers are usually two batteries per channel which can easily damage batteries by over charging the weaker cell. If a charger needs two batteries to start charging it's not fit for purpose. EBL also has some decent chargers that come with lower quality cells compared to any made in Japan cell though they're reasonable for Chinese cells.
Awesome, another Ben Heck music video to watch. My evening is made.
What you did there...I see it, lol
The Xbox One controllers are compatible with the Series X and S, so any single handed controllers you've made are already Series X controllers!
And good thing bout the series x and s controllers. They work on xbox one consoles :)
@@A7Xfreak420 I have the first Xbox one can I use this controller with it?
@@prod.exodus yea. I believe so. 99% sure.
@@A7Xfreak420 ok thanks 😊, I’ve been looking for a new controller but I just wanted to make sure you could use it with my Xbox
Sure seems like they took "don't reinvent the wheel" to "just make the wheel rounder!"
Normally that'd be bad, but they have had the nicest controllers for so long, their little bumps in technology are worthwhile
Hopefully proven with the addition of the 3.5mm jack mid-way into the Xbox One's life, we'll see more mid-generational improvements and feature addons with the controllers. (Personally I'd love to see the haptic feedback in the Xbox controllers, which the PS5 has).
@@LostParadise_ I mean couldn't they just do a firmware patch and u get haptics from the on-board rumble motors and trigger rumbles
@@LostParadise_ I wouldn't. It's a waste of money. Rumble is still rumble, and rumble is garbage that should be immediately disabled by opening the controller and desoldering and removing the motors. The reduction in weight is much nicer than any weak vibration you get out of a game. Nothing breaks immersion more than seeing a giant earth shaking explosion on screen while this lump of plastic you're holding vibrates weakly in your hands.
If it ain't broke... I guess they thought "it works, so why change it too much". Great controller. Even in 2020. Thanks again for taking apart a very expensive controller to see what's inside! Cheers!
Come for the breakdown, stay for the 80s pop singing. Love ya Ben.
"I'll CMOSelf out"
The old saying still applies "If it works Don't Fix It".
They completely ignored the #1 problem that needed to be fixed, stick drift. Meanwhile Sony fixed it, Microsoft is just greedy
Best controller ever doesnt need major changes. Glad they kept it similar and only refined it.
Good point.
Have u used a dual sense? Try it... Then come back and edit your comment to reflect the truth...... Both of you.
I wouldn't say it so bold as @Poppa MidKnight , but yeah... first, it isn't the best, there are better controllers, and now with the dual sense... became... shit?
@@frikadasonline dual sense is literally a copy of the xbox controller. Only real difference is the stick positions, and a touch pad that won't be used for much.
@@unscduffman MKBHD did a video on it. The triggers have force feedback, that's what's exciting and novel.
ben man.. your breathing sounds ROUGH. you alright?
Haha
Good to know you are in Earth.
Not a lot of need for a custom controller when MS already makes the Xbox Adaptive Controller, which is honestly pretty awesome and has been around for at least a couple years.
Ben, check the metal ring around the dpad. For whatever reason its tied to ground now. Might be easier ground connection.
Your candid self banter... you're basically adult Butters, lol.
Honestly, those controllers are fine. Been playing with a Steam controller lately and I would like to see dual stage triggers, middle finger buttons and a 6 DoF sensor (for fine aiming with motion controls) be more standard (the Steam controller only has a gyro AFAIK, adding acceleration sensing would make it better though right?). I also like the thumb pad instead of a right stick, but I expect that to be a lot more controversial.
"I would like to see dual stage triggers"
I still can't figure out why Nintendo never brought that back after doing it on the GameCube.
“Emulate the Nintendo switch pro controller” but it’s just a slightly bigger Xbox one controller
I was gonna say I thought the switch pro was emulating the xbox one controller.
Switch pro controller has the worst d-pad in modern generations by a long shot which is the huge no-go for me on it for anything that needs it
@@DouglasFish Do you use something different on the switch? Been looking for a primary d-pad controller for games like mario etc.
emulate the switch controller which emulates the 360 controller which emulates the OG Xbox controller etc. What an incestuous bunch they are....
@@robbiejmsn1 they don’t emulate the switch controller tho
Watching you dismantle an Xbox controller is like watching an army veteran field strip his rifle.
Is it possible to create a custom HID device all together? Or is there any kind of authentication mechanism for the device?
I enjoy all the references and songs in Ben's videos.
Wow! Cool to see your eBay auction for your art! I love what eBay considers being related to your drawing of a sloth!
Thank you Ben, always a pleasure to watch your teardowns.
Only thing is they don’t seem to have done much improvement to the audio jack, hoping it doesn’t disconnect easily
I have had several phones with this audio jack design, and i haven't had issues with it, it's pretty reliable, and i abuse my phones way hard. Or you mean like pulling out the cord?
I'm not surprised. Why fix what isn't broken? The USB port was upgraded, the design for the d-pad was "upgraded" (prefer discreet directions myself...), and it got that new share button. Otherwise there's no point to reinvent the wheel on the inside.
If you stick a tiny flat head screw driver in the security screws you can twist the screw or snap of the security pin and use a regular torx driver
Idk if you ended up testing it, I haven't finished the video, but it's likely they doubled the hz of the hall effect sensors (to 250) as they're enabling the use of 120 hz monitors / TVs, so it would make sense that they would double (or increase) the hz for the sensors.
Good stuff man, Loved the vid
@8:57 Ben says "Society"
Living in a society C O N F I R M E D
The metal dpad retainer goes through to ground now too. Up probably didn’t have a labeled test point cuz much like the B button it probably travels through to the secondary board and has a labeled test point there instead.
I am so happy that it is exactly the same + some nice extras (clicky dpad, usbc)
Makes sense really, from a manufacturing standpoint. 98% same parts, mostly in the same places, almost the same casing, so cheaper on the molding side. Minimum redesign time, pick and place setup, probably only had to switch out the faceplate mold between run and even there a very limited change that the moldmaker could incorporate more easily and therefore cheaply, small changes for the additional button support etc. Whole design says 'cheap refresh'.
Glad to see you're still on earth 🌎 ben. Don't know what we would do without you. 👊
Dis man singing Chicago taking apart an xbox controller I love it
Did they do anything to strengthen the sync button?
ARE THE LB/RB BUTTONS SEPARATE?
OR ARE THEY STILL CONNECTED BY THAT THIN PIECE OF PLASTIC THAT ALWAYS BREAKS?
COULDN'T SEE CLEARLY IN THE VIDEO
Connected the same as XB1
OMG you broke the warranty Ben
I bought one of these on sale, along with a 4k tv on sale, in prep for my eventual new Xbox. I have to say, the changes they made are tiny, but boy howdy.. this controller is nigh perfect now and makes the original One controller look like a Gamestop third party piece of hardware.
Least changed controller ben? What about ps1 dualshock 1 to ps2 dualshock 2. It is the same controller although there are some variants of the ps2 controller with a conductive sheet instead of 2 circuit boards.
So its basically the elite series 2 with a share button? The series 2 had the same two antennas inside. I wonder if you can take an analog stick board from an Xbox one controller and plop it in its place?
Why change something that works? Introducing changes now would only cause backlash. If it worked, and people thought it was the best controller, the wisest decision is to change it as little as possible. The only change they were forced to make was the USB-C socket to keep up with the times.
You know what's crazy is I won a Xbox Series-X from Taco Bell - I guess I'm one of the eight people who has one. I think the Xbox controller is still one of the best controllers for any system - no reason to change what is pretty perfect :). To edit: yes the old controllers work on the new xbox.
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@@suluturnip Lol everyone I've told that I won a game console accuses me of being a corporate shill. You know - sometimes people get lucky.
@@SkuldChan42 lol. No one gets lucky, everything sucks! I was joking, but part of me was thinking “bot?”. I always see those contests, I don’t ever see any winners. Congrats! So you got the system before street date?
@@suluturnip yeah I've never won anything before. I got it on the 9th - one day before launch :). It was really surreal.
@@SkuldChan42 that’s pretty awesome. Congrats again!
RUclips is down but this video still works. The only one I can get to play.
Have you taken apart a Switch pro controller or Joycons, or are you planning to?
I don't know what they've done with the triggers, but the vibration in them is much more pronounced with this controller. And the battery hatch changed slightly, so snap-in rechargeable batteries from the previous gen don't fit.
Love this content involving tearing stuff down and checking it out
I hope this controller is better quality then the previous with the Drifting Stick problem or not responding Dpad and recently my shoulderbutton broke. Tried to repair it with a replacement part and works great, until.... i put the case back together and the shoulderbutton hangs. Very frustrating.
5:10 The new Xbox controller works on the Xbox One, PC and smartphones ... and the Xbox One controller works on PC and Xbox Series S|X (and phones if wired or using the newer revisions that have bt)
How do you pry open side plates so easily? I always manage to break off one of those snap-on clips somehow. now I have 2 controllers with wobbly grip thanks to this :P
Not too surprising they didn't change much. Many people enjoy the Xbox One controller, they didn't force anyone to have to upgrade if they already had a bunch for multiplayer, and they instantly didn't make their accessibility controller useless just because of a new generation. Some smart moves there. Although if the PS5 finally gets gryo aiming standardized after it was largely ignored on PS4, Microsoft will fall behind Sony, Nintendo, heck even Steam in that regard.
I have noticed the triggers are a bit smaller on the Series X controller.
The controller is very slightly narrower across the top, and the same width at the bottom.
Have you looked at the Xbox Elite controller?
0:57 oh yeah, gradius/nemesis time!
Looking forward to when you do have the chance to tear down the new consoles, love watching your console tear downs...
I remember the talk of Xbox also going with Haptic feedback, shame they didn't. My current favorites are SN30 ProPlus and Switch Pro.
Rumble motors are haptic feedback. Are you talking about the "HD Rumble" the switch has?
When you already have arguably the best controller on the market - why mess with a good thing?
A gyro would have been a nice addition
I like this controller so far, but I wish it had Gryo like the Switch and PS4 controller. Using gyro for on-the-fly aiming adjustments in shooters really bumps up the accuracy, possibly even giving mouse and keyboard a run for its money. Possibly, of course.
The adverts are playing but there is no video
Ben. Since it is the same. Can a share button be added in the old controler?
I’m happy they aren’t changing I love the little upgrades I’m not getting a series x until my xone breaks I also have a pc so I’m definitely getting the series x controller
Did they fix the problem i have with squeaking triggers? sticky buttons? joystick issues?????????????
I wonder if you could swap parts from the Xbox one controller and the series x controller
Ben, have you been playing Gradius?
bottom isn't the same, its thinner by the slightest and the battery covers don't fit
Where is the vibration motors in the triggers?
@Ben Heck Hacks, I have a bit of a problem using modern controllers I'd like to have something custom made up. Willing to supply parts and pay for labor. I have a idea and should be walk in the park for you. How might i reach you to discuss it?
you are one crazy '80 pop-rock star man, and we love that! 🎸🎹🥁
Hi Ben, I'm going to ask you and another this question: Could you please make a video on how PCIE communication work? I'd like to create an optical Serial/Parallel board for the Intel D945GTP. Anything on the topic would be fantastic. Thank you much. As an example, I'm writing code in C++ using DOS 7.1 or FreeDOS, and I need to access the PCIE to send/receive data optically.
The other is Dave, from EEVLOG
Just wondering if anyone knows the actual Newton rating of the shoulder/ bumper tactile switches?
The only reason the Playstation controller needed a big update, is because they haven't really updated their design since the PS1. The Xbox One controller was just about perfect, so I'm glad to see they didn't change it all that much.
It shouldn't be too surprising the generations are the same, now. They've just updated the APU and interfaces to what's new in PC land, aaaaand that's about it.
@Jamie91J fuck off, fanboy.
@Jamie91J you did not even comprehend my comment, which was not about the controllers at all. Truly, fuck off.
hey ben are those push buttons from rb and lb are better?
the whole bottom of the controller is the same to keep support for past controller accessories like the chat pad. I Pre-Ordered a Blue controller months ago, got it the other day it feels great. My ChatPad works with it and now I dont have to deal with the shitty micro b USB port.
Woooooo Ben Heck! I’m about to to use his old guide for an av mod on a colecovision. It does say the potatoe chips and beer are optional.
Is that accessory connector a mini-HDMI connector? it looks extremely similar, if not exactly similar.
I don't have a cable to hand to be certain, but from a rough measurement the dimensions of the port on the controller are very close to those of a Mini-HDMI (type C) port. Only 12 pins instead of 19, but you might be able to jam an HDMI cable in there if you really wanted to.
@@elbiggus I've attempted it before. it doesn't quite fit, but very close
Ben what do you think of the Xbox360 controller? Ive never had anything newer than the 360 one. Do you think they hold up agains these new ones?
Not Ben but the most immediate and significant improvement is the dpad. If you play a lot of dpad heavy games like platformers the Xbone controllers and this new one take a hot steaming dump on that abomination. Even the crappy first revision switch pro controller dpad is better than the 360 dpad.
The rumble on the triggers on the new controllers is since as is the larger shape though those are matters of personal preference.
If neither of those matter the 360 controller is still a solid piece of hardware.
@@DigitalMoonlight Thank you for responding! I use it on my pc mainly to play games like Elite Dangerous and since recent MSFS2020. D-Pad isn't as important for me I guess :)
@@ToTheGAMES in that case you might want to look into a HOTAS setup depending on how much you like flight and space sims as well as how much space you have. A used Saitek X52 can be a solid budget option to get your feet wet.
It's like a racing wheel for racing games, not necessary but nice to have if you're a big fan of the genre.
@@ToTheGAMES
Also not ben, but,
If you're playing Elite Dangerous and other Flight sims, I highly recommend using the DS4/PS4 Controller. It's not as good as HOTAS, but it's way more smooth and fun to play around with the 3-axis gyros as a yoke/flywheel than it is to use the analog sticks. (Sometimes I use all 3 axii, and have the horizontal tilt set to be rudders, which is less intuitive, but it can be fun)
For that matter, if you can afford the DualSense, it has a closer ergonomic design to the 360, and better accuracy with its gyros, as well as better analog triggers, which can be useful for controlling thrust or pedals.
Great review, this is how electronics reviews should be done. Have you done a review of any of the Razer Controllers? I am specifically interested in the Wolverine Ultimate, would love to see what someone who knows their stuff thinks of the internals.
That pcb has better quality than previous version
why do you want them to change the controller so bad? it isnt that serious they added a new button for clipping without standing still and advanced the d-pad for 2-d games and still is the best controller in the gaming world so whats the problem?
Will you teardown the next gen consoles when they are available?
Someone plz tell me the tools you need to take apart the controller and where I can get them
is it possible to replace the hall effect sensors?
Xbox one X has an unpopulated M2 connector can you inspect or made it possible ??
the controllers are all intercompatible. I can pair an original xbox one controller (pre bluetooth) with the series x, and pair the new controller with the xbox one (I tried x1x).
someone with a one handed controller for xbox one should be able to seamlessly uses it with the series x and s. (and you can use the same source controllers for both mods now).
i don't think the controllers are exactly the same shape, my phone holder attachment didn't seem to work on the new series x controller.
Really wish they added a Gyro/Accelerometer and updated xinput to support them, as I basically can't play FPSes without gyro aim at this point.
Are you an alien?
What are the four wires u cut used for? Does an1 know
no paddle buttons or gyro is a real shame
Ben, great video. Due to prices of remaining guitar hero controllers, I am looking for evidence that I might be able to retrofit some old controllers with series x electronics and buy the rockband game for like $20. Your video here suggests that I would be able to, pretty easily. Do you see any barriers to doing this?
The next breaktrough Is to get rid of the potentiometers on the analog sticks
Is the X series controller better than the Core?, durability & ready for rechargable battery pack??
Hopefully I'm no confused...the x series & s series are identical, & then there is the core?
Can anybody please tell me what those white chords connected to that mini board do? Because I just ruined the solder on one of them but everything seems fine.
You ripped into this so quickly I was expecting you to exclaim "TIME!"
No need to completely redesign the best Controller on the market, just improve it
Least changed between generations? What about DualShock 1 to DualShock 2? 😂
DualShock 2 had pressure sensitive buttons. They could read multiple pressure levels where the DualShock 1 was just on or off. I remember it could work with racing games and Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 used it. You could let off the square button slowly with a gun to let off the trigger and stop aiming without shooting and the knife in MGS3 depended on it to make the difference between lightly holding someone at knife point or mashing it down to slit the throat.
@@DevilHunterWolf I think the touch sensitive controls felt great for shooting. Slightly touch to raise the gun and hard press to fire.
@@Pfaeff Kills your thumb with racing games though, it would have been a lot more convenient with triggers.
@@efuuu I agree, but I also don't play racing games 😅.
@@Pfaeff Oh well...
What type controller u build
I hope xbox release haptic feedback controller... from what people are saying dual sense is quite amazing
Watching you during the strongest part of the tropical storm right now on the gulf coast on Florida quite a bit inebriated because tropical storms/hurricanes are the Florida version of blizzard...what else are you going to do? Thank you so much for the chill video great timing! I am all weathered out and kinda anxious so Ineeded the antithesis of weather which is electronics... Although I think you'd make a great meteorologist. How would you connect Indiana Jones to a weather forecast?
How much polling rate?
Would it be possible to put gyro in one?
Controller has become so complex compared to when you had a one button joystick :)