The P790’s have always been gorgeous but I think the forged tag is deceiving. I had last generation and within a year I was back to a true forged iron. Apex takes this for me.
I do like your club tests however being 65 with a slow swing speed and hitting 7 iron around 125 yards, there’s no real comparison in watching pros hitting 7 irons 190 yards. More value would be a mid handicap player testing. Any thoughts welcome!!!!!
Exactly, I yearn to see an average golfer test these clubs with support from a pro. I do appreciated though that delivery of the club would not be consistent.
Yes, it would be helpful if there was a tester with average swing speed and has a consistent and good strike, and ideally a single figure handicap player.
Mid handicap players aren’t consistent enough to produce meaningful results. Take these results for comparison but you really need to try them yourself. With your low club head speed the shaft and swing weight need to be right. No insult intended but I would get a pro to look at your technique and start some golf specific exercises. You should be able to easily add 10 or more yds to your 7 iron distance. I say that as a 70 year old
Definitely have to go with the Callaway Apex iron. Next to the Srixon ZX7 Callaway makes the softest, best feeling, best sounding forged irons on the market. Taylormade 790 only has a forged face and to me lacks the true feel of a forged iron and even with the damping material they still are not able to get rid of that clicky sound. Great comparison video Michael.
Mizuno JPX 921 Forged has a much softer feel and consistently tighter dispersion with a heap of forgiveness. As a previous Callaway Apex owner, it's now Mizuno all the way!
@@REDspitfire a regular playing partner of mine (a PGA professional)has been playing the jpx 921 for about a month. He's switching to the Taylormade P770. I guess it just comes down to personal preference.
@@keithwalker1780 Fair call Keith. It ultimately does comes down to personal preference. Different attributes of irons have disproportionately different affects on individuals..... that's the beauty of this game of golf. For me personally, a fully forged iron with a slightly longer face just feels softer and plays better that one with just a forged face. That's why I'm a passionate Mizuno convert, but definitely respect everyone else's opinion/choice as these are all great brands/irons.
I've seen Johnny wunder's witb and he's got the apex 21 bent 2* weak to take out some of the offset and increase the spin/launch. Would love to see a test on that compared to the zx5 as someone whose got a steep angle of attack.
I just got fitted for irons and hit these and a couple of others side by side (originally wanted srixons) ended up going Apex 21s with dcb 4 and 5 irons. I thought a truer comp would have been with the 770 not the 790 , which to me was more like the DCB. I found the 790s have a real hot spot where one shot goes 10y further than you expect which is why I went for new irons in the first place
Just my observation about your spin comments. Spin is really connected to the loft not the number on the bottom of the club. After all a golfer is going to have to hit whatever club he or she needs to hit a certain yardage. So while one person can hit an “8” iron into a green another may have to hit a “7” or even a “6” so their spin will be different anyway. I think too many reviewers just connect spin with the number stamped on the bottom. So no a 30.5 degree club won’t spin the same as a 34 degree club but I don’t see why you call that low spin isn’t it “normal” spin for whatever the loft is?
I just got fit and tried both. Both were amazing but I chose the Apex 21s just on personal choice. Numbers were very close. I am moving from Miura. My carry with Miura for 7 iron is 159 yards and for the Apex (and the 790s) it was 180. 34 degree loft vs 30.5 so yeah, I get it. But for me it was not distance, it was dispersion. Much tighter dispersion with the Apex and 790s compared to the Miuras. The Miuras out of the very middle are like a knife through butter but anywhere else and I was losing huge yardage. Off-centre strikes with the Apex and 790s were only a few yards shorter than centre strikes and much tighter. My Apexes coming next week and am so excited.
@@pigs6486 Absolutely loving the Apexes. The very first shot on the course was a total frozen rope. Also, and this I did not realise until I played them on the course, they have done something with the sole as the turf interaction is amazing. What do I mean by this? If I hit them a bit fat, they seem to glide through the turf and still make pretty good contact. When I caught my Miuras fat they would just dig in and I would duff the ball down the fairway. I think the sole is more rounded with the Apexes or something which makes them so forgiving of fat strikes. So, yeah, super happy with them. I don't think you will go wrong.
I had the same results when i got fitted in 2018. 790 went a couple of feet higher and a fraction higher descent angle over the apex's. 3 years later, they're very similar
Those low spinners would worry me. Think I’d choose the Wilson D7 Forged. How about you take an underdog brand like that and put it up against the big names Mike?
I to just turned 70 and I have hit these irons in a test I’ve traded in the Pxg’s they hit like butter I also had them back to degrees so that got some of the distance back
I just got fitted and chose the apex over the p790 purely off how I hit them. I wanted p790 coming into it but it was easy to see they weren't as good for me for whatever reason.
I agree with you. I just got fitted today, came in with a 790 bias, left with a set of apex 21s. They just hit so pure and felt so good for my swing. Couldn’t hit the 790s nearly as good either.
I forgot to mention this during your P790 review, did you find any flyers or jumps in distances with the new version of the P790? I Remember some hot shots with the first two versions. I like the look of the Apex. I’d like to test both of these. Good review Michael.
Looking at getting a new set of clubs. I want to jump into the players look like clubs. I’m a mid handicapper 7-9. Would you recommend apex, p790 or mavrik pro
as a 9 index need to go to graphite shafts for arthritis, love my i210s but maybe its time for upgrade, would either of these be an "upgrade" or not really??? THX!!
Michael Newton never commits. Is it because he has such a good golf he can hit any club so we’ll? For me Callaway has the feel, Taylormade has the looks. I use Callaway Apex pro 19 irons. You need a scrubbing brush to clean the backs!
P790 look great but are soo hard off the face, I had the 2021 model for 2 months then changed to Mizuno’s 921 forged and completely different being soo soft.
callaway all day. better feel. much more consistent distances. taylormade needs to figure out spin consistency. too much front to back dispersion even for an elite golfer like michael.
790 ,, all things being equal performance wise, the Apex still looks chunky to me. The 790 looks very sleek, more like a "players iron " . As with everything, golf clubs appeal to one person and not another. Play what feels and looks great to you and you will play better golf. All the manufactures are so close now re performance and quality so you really cant go wrong
My only issue with all of these clubs is that when you go for a fitting generally you only have a 7 iron to test …… so when you and others mention the potential for blending different models how can you assess that when the clubs aren’t available to test?
Yeah its a tough one that, its a cost element for the brand to provide extra heads across all models then provide all the different shaft options in the different iron head lengths etc etc. Multiply that extra cost across hundreds of fitting accounts then it soon adds up. In an ideal world all that.......
@@MichaelNewtonGolf I appreciate that the economics make it impossible to cover all options but perhaps 6 and 9 irons along with the Trackman data would give some insight into whether the player could benefit from a blended set. Would 6 and 9 be the best irons?
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Someone’s making a poop load of money on major brand golf clubs. You only have to look at some of the new straight/direct to consumers clubs out there, that compete very well against the major brands.
Not that this is helpful 3 months later, but I played X2 hots for 6 years until I was recently fit for the Apex. Much more consistent ball flight even though I lost a tiny bit of distance.
Been wanting videos like this! Thank you! T200 vs P770 It seems these T.Made clubs are hot! So even tho there is a loft difference, if bent 1 or 2° or none at all. Will a p770 keep up the the t200 even tho a 2° loft difference?
For a 19 handicap would I benefit more on the taylormade stealth or P790? Wanted the stealth for more forgiveness but the club am a member off has the fastest greens in my area so am not sure if I would ever be able to stop the ball with the stealth🤷🏻♂️ It’s good trying them but won’t know till I actually play on the course, need to know the landing angles are ok because Ino the spin won’t help😅
The clubs in these tests are not what you buy at your golf store or pro shop. These in the test are made with a special hosel that is built like a driver, that you can unscrew the shaft & change it out at will.
Probably both the same price point so I suppose whatever works best for you. Me, I have less expensive irons and have enough left over for a fairway wood.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf So the premise was to just compare clubs of similar loft rather than club design ? Seems strange to mention shape blade length, top edge etc then 🤔
Every club has a similar thickness in face. Why do they have to make them so chunky. I'm playing the old p770 forged, and even those, specially the approach wedge, just looks so ugly
That term players iron is very snobby or condescending I think. All of us who love golf play the game too. So if we all play the same game why are mid to high handicap golfers not considered players too?
It is kind of a dumb term. The reality is one can either hit the ball good or they can't and the club isn't going to all of the sudden make you a good/bad ball striker. The club is probably the least important part of the golf swing but marketing would have you believe that it's the most important.
@@tatchy1001 show me a manufacture that doesnt say, "further, straighter, higher, easiest launching," etc etc. All those have to do with ball striking. They all used catch words/phrases to claim it.
I love my Apex 21’s! Felt better than other clubs I hit that day. It’s all comes down to preference and I wanted a power cavity back forged iron.
The P790’s have always been gorgeous but I think the forged tag is deceiving. I had last generation and within a year I was back to a true forged iron. Apex takes this for me.
I do like your club tests however being 65 with a slow swing speed and hitting 7 iron around 125 yards, there’s no real comparison in watching pros hitting 7 irons 190 yards. More value would be a mid handicap player testing. Any thoughts welcome!!!!!
Exactly, I yearn to see an average golfer test these clubs with support from a pro. I do appreciated though that delivery of the club would not be consistent.
Yes, it would be helpful if there was a tester with average swing speed and has a consistent and good strike, and ideally a single figure handicap player.
Mid handicap players aren’t consistent enough to produce meaningful results. Take these results for comparison but you really need to try them yourself. With your low club head speed the shaft and swing weight need to be right. No insult intended but I would get a pro to look at your technique and start some golf specific exercises. You should be able to easily add 10 or more yds to your 7 iron distance. I say that as a 70 year old
@@derekwhyle1884 get an older pro or a low handicapped senior with a constant swing speed to do it.
Definitely have to go with the Callaway Apex iron. Next to the Srixon ZX7 Callaway makes the softest, best feeling, best sounding forged irons on the market. Taylormade 790 only has a forged face and to me lacks the true feel of a forged iron and even with the damping material they still are not able to get rid of that clicky sound. Great comparison video Michael.
Mizuno has entered the chat!
Mizuno JPX 921 Forged has a much softer feel and consistently tighter dispersion with a heap of forgiveness. As a previous Callaway Apex owner, it's now Mizuno all the way!
@@REDspitfire a regular playing partner of mine (a PGA professional)has been playing the jpx 921 for about a month. He's switching to the Taylormade P770. I guess it just comes down to personal preference.
@@keithwalker1780 Fair call Keith. It ultimately does comes down to personal preference. Different attributes of irons have disproportionately different affects on individuals..... that's the beauty of this game of golf. For me personally, a fully forged iron with a slightly longer face just feels softer and plays better that one with just a forged face. That's why I'm a passionate Mizuno convert, but definitely respect everyone else's opinion/choice as these are all great brands/irons.
I've seen Johnny wunder's witb and he's got the apex 21 bent 2* weak to take out some of the offset and increase the spin/launch. Would love to see a test on that compared to the zx5 as someone whose got a steep angle of attack.
I love my Apex 21’s !!
I just got fitted for irons and hit these and a couple of others side by side (originally wanted srixons) ended up going Apex 21s with dcb 4 and 5 irons.
I thought a truer comp would have been with the 770 not the 790 , which to me was more like the DCB.
I found the 790s have a real hot spot where one shot goes 10y further than you expect which is why I went for new irons in the first place
Just my observation about your spin comments. Spin is really connected to the loft not the number on the bottom of the club. After all a golfer is going to have to hit whatever club he or she needs to hit a certain yardage. So while one person can hit an “8” iron into a green another may have to hit a “7” or even a “6” so their spin will be different anyway.
I think too many reviewers just connect spin with the number stamped on the bottom. So no a 30.5 degree club won’t spin the same as a 34 degree club but I don’t see why you call that low spin isn’t it “normal” spin for whatever the loft is?
Nice review Mike, thanks. In this segment its still MP20 HMB’s for me. I went full set and love them
I still have the original P790s and they aren't going anywhere until the grooves wear out.
Thanks for doing the video. I think the 790s have a slight advantage. Both great looking as always!
I just got fit and tried both. Both were amazing but I chose the Apex 21s just on personal choice. Numbers were very close. I am moving from Miura. My carry with Miura for 7 iron is 159 yards and for the Apex (and the 790s) it was 180. 34 degree loft vs 30.5 so yeah, I get it. But for me it was not distance, it was dispersion. Much tighter dispersion with the Apex and 790s compared to the Miuras. The Miuras out of the very middle are like a knife through butter but anywhere else and I was losing huge yardage. Off-centre strikes with the Apex and 790s were only a few yards shorter than centre strikes and much tighter. My Apexes coming next week and am so excited.
How you liking that decision today? I was deadset on the 790s until I found some near-brand new Apex blacks for $1000 and I might pull that trigger
@@pigs6486 Absolutely loving the Apexes. The very first shot on the course was a total frozen rope. Also, and this I did not realise until I played them on the course, they have done something with the sole as the turf interaction is amazing. What do I mean by this? If I hit them a bit fat, they seem to glide through the turf and still make pretty good contact. When I caught my Miuras fat they would just dig in and I would duff the ball down the fairway. I think the sole is more rounded with the Apexes or something which makes them so forgiving of fat strikes. So, yeah, super happy with them. I don't think you will go wrong.
@@BartmanSA I already pulled the trigger and it's already changed my game! Just regripped them though, not a fan of the stock golf pride.
He has such a nice swing and caring 185 on a 7 iron is crazy
I had the same results when i got fitted in 2018. 790 went a couple of feet higher and a fraction higher descent angle over the apex's. 3 years later, they're very similar
Those low spinners would worry me. Think I’d choose the Wilson D7 Forged. How about you take an underdog brand like that and put it up against the big names Mike?
Sounds good
I to just turned 70 and I have hit these irons in a test I’ve traded in the Pxg’s they hit like butter I also had them back to degrees so that got some of the distance back
I just got fitted and chose the apex over the p790 purely off how I hit them. I wanted p790 coming into it but it was easy to see they weren't as good for me for whatever reason.
I agree with you. I just got fitted today, came in with a 790 bias, left with a set of apex 21s. They just hit so pure and felt so good for my swing. Couldn’t hit the 790s nearly as good either.
What is the blue arrow on the P790? I’m tipping it’s an alignment aid to get your hands forward.
I forgot to mention this during your P790 review, did you find any flyers or jumps in distances with the new version of the P790? I Remember some hot shots with the first two versions. I like the look of the Apex. I’d like to test both of these. Good review Michael.
Looking at getting a new set of clubs. I want to jump into the players look like clubs. I’m a mid handicapper 7-9. Would you recommend apex, p790 or mavrik pro
as a 9 index need to go to graphite shafts for arthritis, love my i210s but maybe its time for upgrade, would either of these be an "upgrade" or not really??? THX!!
Michael Newton never commits. Is it because he has such a good golf he can hit any club so we’ll? For me Callaway has the feel, Taylormade has the looks. I use Callaway Apex pro 19 irons. You need a scrubbing brush to clean the backs!
Curious if you have any thoughts on the best shaft for the p790? I bought them with the KBS C-taper stiff.
I like the size and shape of the P790s, especially the 4 and 5 irons. I bought P770s because I was worried about distance control with the P790s.
I agree, distance control is a problem with all of the brands in this style of irons.
To me Callaway products are better built than TM. I play Tm driver and fairways and their performance is great but build quality is iffy
To be honest while I love the shelf appeal of the mid sized irons I always find myself drawn to the ugly chunky easy to hit powerbats.
P790 look great but are soo hard off the face, I had the 2021 model for 2 months then changed to Mizuno’s 921 forged and completely different being soo soft.
callaway all day. better feel. much more consistent distances. taylormade needs to figure out spin consistency. too much front to back dispersion even for an elite golfer like michael.
790 ,, all things being equal performance wise, the Apex still looks chunky to me. The 790 looks very sleek, more like a "players iron " . As with everything, golf clubs appeal to one person and not another. Play what feels and looks great to you and you will play better golf. All the manufactures are so close now re performance and quality so you really cant go wrong
My only issue with all of these clubs is that when you go for a fitting generally you only have a 7 iron to test …… so when you and others mention the potential for blending different models how can you assess that when the clubs aren’t available to test?
Yeah its a tough one that, its a cost element for the brand to provide extra heads across all models then provide all the different shaft options in the different iron head lengths etc etc. Multiply that extra cost across hundreds of fitting accounts then it soon adds up. In an ideal world all that.......
@@MichaelNewtonGolf I appreciate that the economics make it impossible to cover all options but perhaps 6 and 9 irons along with the Trackman data would give some insight into whether the player could benefit from a blended set. Would 6 and 9 be the best irons?
@@MichaelNewtonGolf
Someone’s making a poop load of money on major brand golf clubs.
You only have to look at some of the new straight/direct to consumers clubs out there, that compete very well against the major brands.
I have a set of x 2 hots. Will it be worth getting the Apexs?
Not that this is helpful 3 months later, but I played X2 hots for 6 years until I was recently fit for the Apex. Much more consistent ball flight even though I lost a tiny bit of distance.
I fail to see how a forged face could make any difference to feel. Apex seems to be a truly forged iron so different league
Been wanting videos like this! Thank you! T200 vs P770
It seems these T.Made clubs are hot!
So even tho there is a loft difference, if bent 1 or 2° or none at all. Will a p770 keep up the the t200 even tho a 2° loft difference?
For a 19 handicap would I benefit more on the taylormade stealth or P790? Wanted the stealth for more forgiveness but the club am a member off has the fastest greens in my area so am not sure if I would ever be able to stop the ball with the stealth🤷🏻♂️ It’s good trying them but won’t know till I actually play on the course, need to know the landing angles are ok because Ino the spin won’t help😅
For 19 handicap, stealth irons w.o a doubt
Do all of these irons have really short hozels or is it just me?
The clubs in these tests are not what you buy at your golf store or pro shop.
These in the test are made with a special hosel that is built like a driver, that you can unscrew the shaft & change it out at will.
Probably both the same price point so I suppose whatever works best for you. Me, I have less expensive irons and have enough left over for a fairway wood.
Would’ve been more comparable video if apex pro 21 was used
Apex Pro more comparable to P770….head size, hollow construction & same lofts. P790 larger head and 2.5 degrees stronger 👍
Would the Apex pro not be a better comparison to the P790?
No as apex pro lofts are 2.5 degrees weaker
@@MichaelNewtonGolf So the premise was to just compare clubs of similar loft rather than club design ? Seems strange to mention shape blade length, top edge etc then 🤔
P770 is better matched to Apex Pro, both lofts, blade length, hollow construction…..same category 👍
I’ve literally watched like 15 of these comparison videos and you have a tendency to keep hitting more healy shots…..why haven’t you adjusted? 😂 ✌🏻
Because I’m a robot 😂
@@MichaelNewtonGolf 😂
Every club has a similar thickness in face. Why do they have to make them so chunky.
I'm playing the old p770 forged, and even those, specially the approach wedge, just looks so ugly
Apex looks like a game improvement iron.
Just get some clevelands... your welcome
Lol…or some Acer ..🤡🤡
P790 all day , Callaway is to chunky and to much offset, P790 hands down better looking and better tec, more consistent.
Yup, better looks, i was totally ready to go with Taylormade. Untill i hit the Apex pro
@@MrEasyaloha Apex pro less chunky ?
@@wnfakind9197 Yes - the new Apex Pro is PRETTY.
It's funny after all this technology and computer analysis the clubs are basically the same, it's all marketing hype.
P790 is actually comparable to Apex pro 2021. They are bothe forged face hollow design.
way too much talking in between shots.
That term players iron is very snobby or condescending I think. All of us who love golf play the game too. So if we all play the same game why are mid to high handicap golfers not considered players too?
Not good players 🤷♂️
It is kind of a dumb term. The reality is one can either hit the ball good or they can't and the club isn't going to all of the sudden make you a good/bad ball striker. The club is probably the least important part of the golf swing but marketing would have you believe that it's the most important.
@@brianlb78 not sure I’ve ever seen any company’s marketing claiming that to be honest 🤷♂️
@@tatchy1001 show me a manufacture that doesnt say, "further, straighter, higher, easiest launching," etc etc. All those have to do with ball striking. They all used catch words/phrases to claim it.
@@brianlb78 Show me one advert that says golf swing isn’t important 🤔
Both companies are total trash now. Don't waste a dime on them
Apex looks rubbish
That’s cause you can’t afford them jonts❗️
@@theLewisburgLegend 😂, please!! My mizuno 921’s say otherwise
Yup, I love my apex Pros but the regular apex got too much going on.
It’s ugly like the Sim irons
@@dantu5377 apex pros look mint 👌🏻