What if Germany never invaded the Soviet Union?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The Germans famously invaded the Soviet Union under Operation Barbarossa, which many claim online was the reason why Germany lost the war. This is seen as Germany’s biggest mistake, and some say it’s worse than declaring war on the United States.
Due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Germany and the Soviet Union signed a 10 year long non-aggression pact, which Germany broke 2 years later. But what would happen if the Germans decided not to go down this suicidal mission and decided to focus on being the masters of all of Europe.
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just why would the non-nazi german 3rd reich not negotiate grain deals with their NAP neighbour the soviets, the granary of europe?
why would they not negotiate it in the peace treaty with the anglos, buying american cereal?
to expand on this, the anglos, be it britain or america, could use an immediate boost in military production for the abundant american grains
I wish I could get the book
nice
Good luck RH
it’s 1941 and a young German boy is listening to the radio. On the radio Hitler announces that Germany is declaring war on the United States.
The boy asks, “Father, where is the United States?”
“Here, let me show you,” His father responds and points at a map of North America.
The boy then asks, “We are at war with Russia too, right? Where’s that?”
The father then points at a map of the Soviet Union.
“I think we’re also at war with the British,” the boy says. “Where on the map are they?”
The father then points at the British isles and the numerous British colonies, dominions, and protectorates.
“And where are we, father?” The boy questions.
The father, starting to become annoyed by his son’s constant questioning, finds Central Europe and points out Germany.
The young boy processes what he has just been told for a moment.
“Father.”
“What now?” The father responds.
“I have one more question.”
“What is it?”
“Has Hitler seen this map?”
lol
I love this lol
True 😂
the outlier kid naturally resistant to propaganda
I do not understand the joke?
Balkaners speedrunning duolingo german any%
LOL i had a similar meme in the video too hahaha nice
You are aware that you can say a rogue assassin managed to place a bullet in the Austrian Painter? Not everything needs a grand plot involving the leadership of the most powerful governments in the world.
That scenario is what Valkyrie wasn't.
you could also just literally say he tripped and died
I really like these long from videos! They are able to keep my short attention span brain stimulated while learning stuff.
Glad you like them! Did you come from any of my RUclips shorts?
@@rewriting-history Yes! One of your shorts is the first thing I saw that made me subscribe, but the long form content is always better
Babe wake up, Rewriting History dropped
True, gotta get them views!
0:48 the Hoi4 generic leader
Yes 💯
You are mistaken about one thing. Invading the Soviet Union was necessary and not irrational. Germany and occupied Europe did not have enough resources to sustain its economies and militaries. The British were blocking trade to all nations trading with Germany, including neutral Sweden. They knew from WW1 that they could starve out the Germans and this was why the Germans wanted to take the farmlands, coal and oil in the Ukraine and Caucuses. One of the reasons they failed is the German generals ignored Hitler and focused the forces on Moscow instead, thinking that the Russians would capitulate. However, Hitler was fighting an economic war and not a military one. He believed that if he took their food and fuel, then the Soviet Union would collapse. This is not irrational but it was taking far longer than he realised, partially because lend lease was literally keeping them alive.
If they attacked and took Ukraine and the Caucuses in the first year, then maybe victory is possible. However, it would help if Japan attacked in the east and did not attack the USA for another couple of years. If the USA stayed out for longer, then the Russians would lose the means to fight. It would be better to defeat 1 enemy at a time for the Axis.
Being idiots, who rejected Ukraine, Belarus and as valuable ally was main blunder, they(ukrainians and other nations) could rebel, and also give them 2 000 000 soldiers only from Ukraine not mentioning lessening in guerillas and stable grain supplies. Ukrainian nationalists even declared independence, stating that Germany is an ally in proclamation but germans underestimated soviets and ukrainians and lost because of this.
Yeh I agree that they didnt need to conquer and annex these territories. It would be easier to liberate them and have them fighting along side you. If germany had an economic and cultural union around it then it does not need to invade to gain access to the resources. Something like the eu for instance
@@richardjbarlowyou could also have japan not invade indochina so no embargo
The German Empire had the better idea in that regard. Look at Brest-Litovsk, where several of Russia's western and southern regions got their own supposedly independent nations under the German sphere. Something similar to this should have been their approach, at least for the short term. Co-opt these people against the Soviets, _then_ displace them and Germanize the lands.
Even if I didn't oppose this German regime on a moral basis, their complete lack of pragmatism would see me condemn them anyway. Complete maniacal idiotic zealots should not be in charge of nation-states.
It would require some foresight not to take indochina but yes i agree. Good suggestion.
They were correct in their assessment that siberia was actually quite useless and resource poor. At least back then. So we can understand why they went south after the rubber and oil.
Their army actually wanted to go north but I think the Navy lobby was stronger. It's a pity for them that they didn't know about the hydrocarbons on Sakhalin, so they actually didn't need to fight a land war with the Russians to get a domestic oil/gas production. For the Japanese, the fewer enemies the better, because they were so resource poor.
I really love your interactive history video. You should do that again, but with WWII.
Writing history has been posting a lot recently, really loving how much content we're getting 👍
Historical. Good video.
germany would sue for peace? didnt germany already do that and churchill rejected him hundres of times
Peace with the west was Hitlers plan from the beginning. He even wrote it in his book.
You doing really good job
Thank you very much!
@@rewriting-history No problem
So if the Soviet Union had joined the Germans and won the allies, then the Great Patriotic War would have started anyway, but only without a second front.
This one is for another video, but I like the idea
Now that's a tale for a book.
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You are so welcome!
This is a great day, RH uploaded! :)
I don't think you necessarily need a full Army coup to get someone in power in Germany who wasn't going to attack the Soviets.
If you believe Hermann Goring (at the time Hitler's designated successor), this was what he had to say about his opinion of Barbarossa when asked at Nuremburg.
"Question: What was your attitude towards the German attack on the Soviet Union?
Answer: I always opposed the war with Russia. When I learned about Hitler's military plans against the USSR, I was horrified. All aviation was thrown to the West and acted against the British at that time. The tasks facing our aviation were far from complete, and in the event of war with Russia, we would have to transfer about half of the planes to the Eastern Front. I had repeatedly tried to dissuade the Fuhrer from his intentions to fight the USSR, but the Fuhrer was obsessed with the war against Russia, and I could not deter him. I thought that the war against the USSR was inexpedient."
Goring was always fairly reluctant about provoking additional enemies (per reports about his stance on pre-war invasions) and was, by Nazi standards, pragmatic and self-interested. Would not be surprised if the stalled 1941 Axis-Soviet talks actually went somewhere with him, given he'd still be looking to find some way to scare Britain into surrendering and the proposed Soviet attack on the British occupied middle east could fit the bill.
Yeah but the talks might still stall due to Slavic opposition to taking the alliance further.
Ribbentrop was also very against the invasion, he cried the day Hitler ordered him to declare war and he even believed that the destruction of the British empire was the most important thing in all of the war, he even threw a party when British Malaysia had fallen to the Japanese
@@LukaSchoone-sd1wn thing was that Stalin demanded territorial and diplomatic concessions, which Germany couldn't grant
@@snert_moskalyam wouldn't grant.
@@snert_moskalyam the concessions Stalin wanted were actually incredibly light (so light that Ribbentrop and the diplomats believed them to be a score). He wanted Sakhalin from Japan (but was willing to pay them compensation), a sphere of influence in the Middle East, joint influence with Germany over Turkey and the assurance his navy could pass through the bosporus, basing rights in Bulgaria (Germany could have that too), and a guarantee Germany wouldn't put troops in Finland in exchange for a Soviet guarantee not to invade it again and not to do anything to hinder Germany's access to Finnish trade in raw materials.
@rewriting-history, Great video!
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Suggestion: What if Justinian ignored the west after the conquest of África?
I would say the scenario where the allies join up with germany against the sowjets sounds very interesting and should be worth a video.
You could tell Hitler that he will get a -5 stab hit if he invades the USSR early…
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Ayy I appreciate that, thank you very much!
What if Italy never joined the Entente in WW1?
Yoooooo new amazing film, thanks RewritingHistory!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@rewriting-history That's true
@Cannon530YTOO Yes bro
Would you do scenario of what of winston churchill was never prime minister?
Can you make a video about Burgundy never dissolving?
I have noticed a recurring pattern in your recent videos: you start to diverge from reality in certain areas, but instead of branching out further, you orchestrate additional "events" that force the story back into its original path. Here's a particular standout: we have a massive deviation, if not one of the most significant in this type of scenario - no Nazis in power anymore and a mild peace settlement. The idea that the USA (and possibly even France) would later be drawn into the war is very far-fetched and gives the whole video more of a narrative feel rather than a "what if" scenario.
5:30 bro did Not just insult east Europe because they immigrate in Germany 🙏😭
LOL
0:47 omg hoi4 minor country leader referencee
yes lol
Woohoo a new RH video :D
Austrian Painter should did exactly as this video in our timeline.
i think bro forgot about SS hitlers own army which was on every part of state
Please, stop calling nazis "ultranationalist". It just isn't right. Nationalism=love your nation ultranationalism=love your nation very much. Nazism isn't about loving their nation. It's about hating others. I know that it is probably because of RUclips rules, but still. Calling nazis "ultranationalists" is just too much of a oversimplification for such an intellectual channel.
Loser-Cruisers is a better choice to call them, or Austro-Glazers
I get what u are saying but i personaly think using ultranationalist is fine here, it doesnt just mean loving ur country very much, you can even define nationalism that way. Its about loving ur country "too much" and nazism isnt just about hating others but thinking themselves as superior and better
Bruh
I think you’re brain dead lil bro, nationalism is more than just patriotism and is an ideological entity in of itself, stop claiming this bs first before you try to criticize someone else
No, patriotisism is the love for your country, nationalism is mostly the hate for other natioanlities and ultranationalism is having a misguided conception of your countries population being part of a superior race or a superior part of the human race. This means that anything this “race” does to other ones would have no moral culpability.
Soviet onion 🧅
This is how I actually pronounce it lol. U is too hard to pronounce for me
@@rewriting-history How long have you known English because your English is quite good and for a non-native speaker
@@rewriting-history dam that sucks 😅
@@rewriting-history It actually kind of works; the USSR had layers expanding under layers as it grew, and it was hard to get a good look at her thanks to much of it being underground...
was that normal leader 1 from hoi4 at 0:47?
yeah lol
0:48 MR GENERICO!!!!
Yeah lol
Its even possible that USSR attacks during or right after the (failed) sea lion,since German loss would seem as a perfect chance for USSR to strike
What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin,Rias Gremory, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic and Dharmic shit?
I love your videos, but I find the constant comments on something being unrealistic to be really repetitive. Perhaps a brief disclaimer at the start of the video about lack of realism, and then you're free to just discuss the scenarios you come up with? I'll still watch your videos regardless, but it does feel a bit clunky at times when you mention how a decision you made is unrealistic
Rommel without pink glasses wasn't so "clean"
But wouldnt the restored france be under the vichy government since it was still in german hands as of this peace treaty?
Cuz i dont see while germany would abandon the control over a neighboring major power that could give them a LOT of trouble in the future
Id think the peace treaty with britain would see all ocupied land the germans had be puppeted or at least put under control over german friendly government since britain wouldnt have much to do about it
germany wouldve collaysed. no food no nothisssssnr.
Rommel could have avoided the war with USA, he wasn't crazy and didn't declare war to USA and support to Japan. Rommel criticizing Japan could have done the job.
Honestly I think that Austrian Painter should have been replaced by Boyko Borisov, so Borisov can give Germany to Bulgaria
Rewriting history I have a suggestion to make: What if the Kingdom of Jerusalem survived?
Brodie... Its possible the UK had a chance to do so but they didnt so someone more competent couldnt take control
What if Turkey joined the Allies/Axis ?
They joined Allies in 1945..?
ruclips.net/video/YfwKSPVxSWM/видео.html&ab_channel=RewritingHistory there you go
@@Idk-wb4lf I meant at the start of the war
@@rewriting-history Oh Thanks!
@@Open__56 oh sorry!
Can you make a video about most unrealistic thing that happend in history?
VERY GOOD
Thank you! Cheers!
I think USSR invading Germans is rlly inacurate because whole Stalin idea was "Socialism in one state". Maybe putting Trotsky in charge of Soviet Union would be more right idea if we want to think about what happend if USSR invade
the USSR could focus their efforts on China perhaps
Silly question: Did Hitler have to be assassinated?
I mean, you could have killed Hitler by other means, say with an accident during the yearly Nuremberg rally, or something equally random-esque. Was having him assassinated essential to the scenario, or could this have unfolded the same way with Hitler meeting his end by less political means?
Can you do these next
What if bulgaria was part of Yugoslavia
What if Bulgaria was part of the ussr
What if bulgaria had a good ending:
Never conqured by the ottomans and Byzantium,was on the winning side of both world wars,never had communism was a European power and the politicians weren't corrupt.
good video but i wanted to say that "Putting 'story' in history." wouldd be a way better tagline
Britain would never give Gibraltar not cool.
1:44 IS THAT THE GENERIC GUY FROM HOI😮
If only Germany were friends with Ireland....
What if Germany fought a purely economic war against the Soviets from the outset, rather than trying to capitulate Britain and then attempting the foolish Napoleonic strategy of rushing Moscow?
i.e. could they deprive the soviets from enough oil, coal and food from the outsets and would this mean that the Soviet economy would collapse? There was no US involvement and lend lease supplies initially.
What if the allies went through with their alternate plan and let the two titans of Germany and the Soviet Union battle it out and then pick off whoever won (meaning no lend lease for the USSR)
What if the ancient sorbs stayed in Germany and how would it change history
8:38 Military Junta Germany may even give the Czech & Polish lands they had absorbed beyond the borders of the German Empire back to their original countries as an act of good faith.
10:01 If there's already a peace treaty between the Acis & the Western Allies, it's easier for all non-Communists to join Germany in the war against the USSR. Don't forget that Churchill wanted a war against Russia.
So the soviet unionwould attack the reich if it was getting defeated by the allies
Hitler would be KO, if Czechoslovaks weren't cowards😢
You have a mistake in the borders of the molotov ribbenbeck pact in poland
Omg, I forgot to join the stream
Pls do one last stream D:
@rewriting-history
It is actually very easy to create a scenario where Germany doesn’t invade… Just have Germany invest in better Intelligence and realize the Soviets literally have more tanks than the rest of the world haha. So I think if Hitler knew that he would probably pause and rethink and also decide to build more and better tanks as Germany was seriously lacking in good tanks. So we could easily do that and have them convince Japan to join in attacking the British possessions while German & Italian forces fight across North Africa.
Idea : What if Germany kept the non agression pact with Poland and WW2 started 10 years later
its impossible just bcs of the hitlers political views you can understand it by watching several videos of ww2 polish front detailed and by reading mein kampf
a massive delay like that might make everyone believe that appeasement totally works, causing the British people to not want aggression and would further support appeasement when Germany comes demanding land. The Soviets would also grow a lot more stronger so the west would be more willing to side with Germany against the Soviets, the German economy would also be much more stable and they'd be more prepared. Italy was only a poor ally to Germany simply cause the war started unexpectedly, Italy thought they had 2 or 4 years more left to prepare, 10 years of time for Italy means they would've been much more confident and capable and a stronger ally. the delayed war would mean that Japan can fight China for longer without being embargoed by USA, causing more gains in China and perhaps even a conquer. A higher percentage of Germans would be more properly indoctrinated to believe in the reich's cause so the army as a whole would be more motivated. Spain could stabilize after the civil war with German and Italian support and potentially even be ready to side with them. Overall, the entire war as a whole would be completely different.
So, full-on Great Patriotic War after the West gets dusted?
Someone turn this into a book!
0:48 hey look a common general from hoi4 btw who he is because i seen him in hoi4 but never knew who really he is
dude make a video about whaşt if instead of going to moscow napoleon moved to the petersburg
Dear possible history I have an alternate history video you can what if the Arabs won the battle of tours
Ask possible history lol
@@rewriting-history bruh I made an mistake 💀
The Soviets launch operation Thunder in July 1941 and conquer Western Europe
Yo mr generico best german chancellor
I have a different scenario idea called Traitors of Europe: fall of dictators. In this timeline Poland makes the Intermarium after a anti-communist revolution happens in Ukraine as a buffer between the USSR and German Reich. Japan has a coup and the militarists are removed from power. The Intermarium protests apeasement as its members are: Austria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the Baltics, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Belarus, Ukraine, Albania and the Slavic countries in the Balkans because Pilsutsky thought that Yugoslavia was never meant to be. Fascist and communist parties and organisations would be banned like the Ustashe. The new Allies are: the Intermarium, USA, Japan, UK and France. Meanwhile the Axis are: Italy, German Reich and the USSR because they have common enemies with the first 2. WW2 begins a year earlier when Austria refuses the Anchluss. Italy is mutilated by Ilyria(a union between Bosnia and Croatia), Slovenia and France. The Intermarium holds the invasions off because they have Europe's breadbasket and the commies are busy losing the Winter war. Denmark joins in on the fun and helps pound the Fatherland flat and Japan invades Siberia and the commies kick the bucket. The new order sucks for the dictators as their regiemes turn into nothing more than failed experiments. The hammer and sickle rusts, the Soviet star goes supernova, the Swastika returns to the religions and the Fasces burns bright like the Sun.
the least realistic thing about this is the Balkans working together
@@ibraheemshuaib8954 I know but they have common enemies. Most teritorial diputes are settled as well as a open border alliance called the Danubian protocol which states any person felling oppressed in Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Illyria, Serbia or Slovenia, they have full rights to cross borders to the state at which they feel at home. Turkey hates the USSR because they promote atheism and the Nazis due to their racism so now you know.
@@ibraheemshuaib8954due to the Nazis being allies with Soviets and them all hating the Reich despite signing the Pact in our timeline.
"What if Germany let the USSR prepare for an invasion of Germany?"
Stalin was not a crazy fanatic, unlike Hilter
@@FalconfromRF he wasn't. He was pragmatical killer, unlike mad Hitler
Interesting.
Glad you think so!
Eternal fake coal shortage
so much no, i have sometime the feeling u dont think about the situation. So many big mistakes why things would not happen so if u alter ist like u did. The british would not join the sowjets. never. they did not have a landarmy and their support would only grant the sowjets all of europe. more likely is that they send weapons to the germans, as long as they can force the sowjets to make peace. the britsh are standing for balance of power. thats their doctrin. and you forgot this...
i know dis abo
What if japan stayed neutral during ww2?
Then it would just be 2 separate wars going on at the same time
Good video Im the Bonnie guy my dad bought me a samsung so yah
Germany would never win ww2 if he didn't invade it
Fun fact. The USSR had plans for invading Germany already in 1941. This is stated by Viktor Suvorov in his book Icebreaker. There he states that the Soviets had been building railways and stationing troops in high concentration near the German border. Suvorov says that the Red Army was ready to attack Germany a couple of weeks after the Germans did - 22 June.
Fun fact: Viktor Suvorov never was a historian, he was a journalist who wrote some books to sell it and get money. Russian State propaganda found this books very useful.
The fact that some people believe it even this days is shocking😂
Idiotic view based on propaganda without any facts
@@Fair-minded. WDYM? Suvorov used information from official German and Soviet documents about military structure, logistics, strength and deployment.
this is the biggest bs ive ever seen, yeah france def gonna invade germany 50 times in every scenario soooo historical
Ok
Despite the fact I only just clicked this video good video
Thank you very much, really appreciate that!
Love from turkey❤
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Hello
Thing is, the Soviet-Union was always the target, the Brits and Americans just got in the way.
This whole “Austrian Painter” shit is fucking annoying.😒
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@@JaakkoMuttonen-fd6km for me it says you wrote this 8 mins ago when the guy who said first was 7 mins ago
Омг ти откъде си толкова противно говориш английски
От България съм. Ако не ти харесва, недей да гледаш. не мисля, че карам някого на сила :)
@@rewriting-history не ме караш но ми излезе видеото ти, погледнах го и започна да говориш английски все едно си със запушен нос, и доста дърварско, поработи над това, иначе видеото е добро !
@@rewriting-history и защо като цяло го правиш на английски? Направи го на Български с английски субтитри ако искаш
@@rewriting-history коментарите ли ми триеш ?
Stop being so biased, treat patriotic Germany with respect. Almost save Europe from all multiculturalism we see today
No european soldier fought to see their cities flooted by inmigrants slowly and steadily
this comment is so historically biased
patriotism involves love and pride for your country, nazi beliefs include by extreme nationalism, militarism, racial purity, anti-semitism, and expansionism.
lmao the defeat of nazi germany did not lead to the multiculturalism but it was a reaction against the atrocities committed under Nazi rule. the modern european commitment to human rights, diversity, and inclusion is, in part, a response to the horrors of the Nazi era
sure, it was highly patriotic and you might just view it that way. but to be so blind as to view a country for all of it's ups and not see the downs is incredibly hypocritical
the nazis did NOT want to 'save Europe' - you're ignoring the vast human rights violations and suffering caused by their regime - also very disrespectful of the memory of the victims of nazi atrocities.
i am part german, there is no bias against germany at all inside of me. it's just common sense
Hitler was a crazy fanatic, Stalin was a pragmatic and realist.
@@FalconfromRF the first one was ahead of his time, the more I read about him the more genius he seems to me. His only proved mistake was to attack soviet union when they have had talks about a possible union into the axis
@@ryan-ch6fp look up for "the last white french are the main attraction of the paris zoo" it was visible from that time. Very good anology that the germans predicted it would happen (obviously it was exagerrated for propaganda)
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