Why We Don’t Pray to Saints | Guest: Paul Pitts III | Ep 981
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Today, we're sitting down with Paul Pitts III, preacher and director of spiritual life at the Village Christian School in Los Angeles. Paul explains his personal testimony, how he began to come to the Lord in the sixth grade, and how family, church, and reading Scripture played important roles in his faith journey. He shares how the trajectory of his life changed from his goal of playing in the NFL to eventually attending seminary. We also discuss the authority and power of Scripture, dealing with doubts and temptations, the definition of "saints," the power of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and more.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
01:40 Paul's testimony / NFL & pastoral dreams
06:30 Masters Seminary
09:50 Pastoral ministry / good churches
27:30 Doubts and temptations
48:11 Saints & Catholicism
58:10 Praying to Saints
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“It’s ok to trust God with tears in your eyes.” What an encouraging message!
That struck me as well! ❤
I have experienced this and it’s so true! “Measure God’s faithfulness to you by the cross, not by your circumstances!”
This is a lyric in We are Messengers 🙌🏻👏🏻
Please ask Fr Mike Schmitz to come on the show! He is a wonderful priest, as a convert from Methodist to Catholicism there are so many misunderstandings about the faith. Fr Mike is so great at eloquently explaining the faith. I LOVE listening to your show and Allie you would not regret having him on!
I love Mike! He does a great job! I listened to him before I got married and converted
Yea that would be an awesome show .
Yes!!!! He is amazing
I really love Relatable, but as a Catholic, I want to address some points in this dialogue that just demonstrated how deeply there is a misunderstanding of Catholicism here. I wasn’t able to address every point, but I hope this might serve as an open door to the true Catholic perspective. I pray this might be helpful.
“Sainthood is something personally achieved.” Where does Catholic theology teach this? It does not. Saints become saints by the grace of God.
“Bestowed by the Church” No, the Church can recognize someone’s sainthood, but only God can bestow sainthood. Additionally, not every saint in Heaven is canonized by the Church-plenty go unknown/without formal recognition, but they are still saints. Also, there are plenty of “normal” saints, both formally canonized and not.
“Is your life perfectly holy?” Nope, and neither were the saints’ lives, and I’m sure they’d be the first to admit it (even the martyrs). The Church celebrates St. Paul, who called himself “chief among sinners.” Also, Paul Pitts criticizes the use of the word “perfectly,” but he misrepresents the Catholic view by creating that phrasing himself-he’s taking issue with his own non-Catholic quote.
“Paid in full-no purgatory needed.” This is a misunderstanding of Catholic teaching. Catholics fully agree that Christ paid for our sins in full on the cross. Purgatory is not because Christ’s sacrifice was insufficient, but because there are real temporal consequences of sin, and we must be fully purified before we can enter Heaven/be in the full presence of God (like Mr. Pitts said, we’re not perfect)-that said, purgatory requires more explanation than a RUclips comment can provide. Please consider consulting a Catholic resource to explain it more fully and test its validity.
“Declared righteous by faith alone, through grace alone, clothed with the very righteousness and holiness of Jesus” Jesus saves! Amen! Yet, faith without works is dead, and it is NOT by faith alone that we are saved. We are in a relationship with God! We are pursuing him, and as we grow closer to God we grow in holiness. This is inevitably a process of sanctification, not an instantaneous blast of perfection. Simultaneously, Mr. Pitts is criticizing Catholics because he believes that we see the Saint’s lives are perfect while also suggesting that we are all perfect to God, when clearly, God knows our sinfulness and our mistakes, but is filled with great love and mercy for us.
“It’s a gift, it’s a grace…we are progressively becoming in life/practice who we are in Christ” (paraphrase) Any “progress” on the journey towards Heaven is only through the grace of God, and the Catholic Church both recognizes this journey and the fact that it is only through God’s grace. We merely cooperate, and this too is only by God’s grace. Mr Pitts is simply creating division where there isn’t any. We would agree that we become saints through God’s grace:)
“Saints become saints by Catholic authority only once they’ve gone to Heaven.”Again, paraphrase) I already clarified that the Church does not “make” saints, but recognizes them. That’s why the Church only recognizes saints that have already died and gone to Heaven. They’re not going to speculate about who is really saved here while they’re here on Earth, even if they might appear to be examples of virtue, so they wait until Saints are in Heaven and we have confirmation of that fact (this is where miracles come into play).
“We certainly pray for each other” As many other commenters have mentioned. That’s the idea! We are the Church Militant asking members of the Church Triumphant to pray for us, just as we ask other members of the Church to pray for us here on Earth. They are alive in Christ! Where are you getting the idea that we stop praying for those on Earth once we are in Heaven? Please look to a Catholic resource to get a full picture of why the Church teaches that this is permissible and even beneficial.
*The comedian who attended Catholic school and talked about the long line of saints to approach before approaching God* This is a) a joke, b) not a good joke because it confuses people about the teachings of the Church, and c) it simply isn’t true that this represents Catholic teaching. If this is something that this woman truly believes, then that is a tragedy, because she misunderstands the Catholic faith. Catholicism teaches that God is always always always available to us, and no understanding Catholic would suggest otherwise.
All that to say, I am not an apologist, but I am a Catholic, and if you are confused about Catholicism or think that Catholicism seems problematic, please take the time to seek out a reputable Catholic resource (or seek productive Catholic/Protestant debates) to determine a position. Please do not listen to someone who though seemingly well-intentioned, is ultimately confused about even what Catholic beliefs are. The Church is controversial, and I believe that’s because either we’re the worst, most confused heretics, or the Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Christ. After years of research and practice, I’m certain it’s the latter. I highly recommend anything by Scott Hahn, particularly Rome Sweet Home.
I’m not Catholic, but you are absolutely right-the least you deserve is the respect of being ASKED your views rather than TOLD your views (not to mention incorrectly)!
Thank you! I’m Catholic and I don’t even want to watch this video. I like ABS, but I know if I watch this video I’ll be turned off. The Catholic Church is the one true church. I pray the scales will fall from her eyes and she’ll come to realize that.
Yes it is faith alone! Otherwise it's not Christianity
@@Jackieebner14if you're so convinced the Catholic church is right, why scared to watch this video?
@@Daughter_of_the_King316 1st Corinthians 3:15 describes purgatory perfectly. It doesn't use the word purgatory much like the Bible doesn't use the word Trinity but it describes the Catholic concept of purgatory with great accuracy. Also where in the Bible does it say you are only to use the Bible. The Bible says to follow Scripture and tradition 2 Thessalonians 2:15
Praying to a saint is like asking a friend to pray for you. Us Catholics also go straight to Jesus! Please get Catholic doctrine straight. I find it so interesting that Protestants always get Catholicism wrong and put such a negative on it. Please ask Fr Mike Schmidt to come on. He is smart and fun and RELATABLE. He would gladly explain our faith.
Plus the fact that the saints aren't "dead" but alive and living eternally with our Lord Jesus Christ
Genuine question- where in the Bible does it say dead saints can hear you?
They are DEAD…they are not your friends the Bible talks about the dead having no business with the living. Stop justifying what is not God
Protestants typically read 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context. When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul’s reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: “But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 3:14-15).
Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it-Paul himself-and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. So Protestants must take 2 Timothy 3:16-17 out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition!
The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to “stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter” (2 Thess. 2:15).
@Jackiew75101 genuine question - where in the bible does it say sola scriptura?
Bring in Trent Horn to dialogue with him.
Please, please invite Scott Hahn, Trent Horn or Patrick Madrid onto the show….❤
All of them! Or Jimmy Akin!
Yes! Invite Trent Horn back into your show Allie. Also consider Jimmy Akin as well or Dr. Scott Hahn
And Joe Heschmeyer
Dr.Taylor Marshall
Also Bishop Barron.
Wow wow wow! All I can say. How amazing this conversation was! What a great way to start my Tuesday morning. Hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ poured into me.
Amen🕊
I'm not going to lie. I have not watched this whole video yet only just started. I don't claim to know it all by any means. But I think the fact that Jesus himself says no one gets to the father except through me not only explains salvation is only through him , but communication as well. Why speak to the dead? When u can go to the sorce of all that is good, God, and the only way you get to him is through his son.
Catholics don’t have to ask for intercession prayer by the saints in heaven just like nobody has to be on a prayer chain it’s the same thing we pray to Jesus all the time but think group prayer is strong as well but Catholics believe those in heaven are more alive than those on earth
There is plenty in the Bible that Jesus explicitly says, that Protestants do not accept. It says that if you do not eat of the flesh of the Son of Man, there is no life in you, and at the last supper Jesus lifts up the bread and wine and says “this IS My Body, and this IS my blood” which is why the early church, and all Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic, and even Anglican, and Lutheran churches believe in the Eucharist, but western Protestants rejected these teachings as meaning that they are merely just symbolic. Also, in revelation’s it talks about God hearing the prayers of the Saints in heaven. On top of that, sola scriptura is not biblical. Explicitly in 2 Thessalonians it is said to hold to both sacred tradition, and sacred scripture. Also, Catholics do not believe there is salvation through the Saints, the Saints are alive in heaven, and members of the church, and together, with the church still on earth pray for us, and worship God alone. Also, asking for prayers from the Saints is not required in the Catholic Church, a member of the Catholic Church can absolutely go strait to Jesus in prayer, in fact, as a Catholic convert myself, that is how I choose to pray because I’m just not used to asking the Saints for prayer. Instead, I choose to learn about different Saints, and their lives, so that I can try to learn from their wisdom, and sometimes even their mistakes that they turned away from. I hope this helps bring a better understanding of what Catholics actually believe about the Saints, and that we definitely do not view them as giving us salvation in any way shape or form, only Jesus can do that. Peace to you.
No one comes to the Father, but by Christ. This doesn’t exclude lessor mediators who will lead others to Christ. If someone wants to become a Christian and approaches you and you lead them to Christ, have you done work as a mediator for Christ? Jesus doesn’t need others to do His work but He allows it. At the beginning of His ministry, He let’s a woman command us to “Do whatever He tells you” Jesus didn’t need her help.
To your second point, are those who have died in God’s grace in heaven? Are those in heaven dead? In Matthew 22 we see that God is not of the dead, but of the living. When Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah in front of Peter, John, and James, was Jesus speaking to the dead?
The saints aren’t perfect but through their many faults lived holy lives. Their example can serve as a model for us and give hope for us to live our lives and that through our own faults, we may also get to heaven. Sometimes, by God’s will only, they can intercede on our behalf which is supported in scripture in Hebrews and Revelation and has been a Christian belief for thousands of years.
There is only so much that can be conveyed through a comment but I suggest Catholic Answers or Ascension Presents to get a deeper understanding on this topic. The Church has had two thousand years of teaching and you will find that she has put a lot of thought into it. With a little help from the Holy Spirit of course.
I should add that Catholics very regularly pray directly to our Father. With the prayer we conveniently call the Our Father. Others may know it as the Lord’s Prayer. Also forever giving glory to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
The problem is, praying to saints no matter how it is diced and sliced is not supported by proper interpretation of Scripture. It is as importanct as the truth held in a myth.
Not only is salvation only through Christ. But Jesus is the mediator between God and man. He's greater than Moses as described in the book of Hebrews. And we're complete in Christ. We don't need to go through anyone else. Scriptures about prayer specifically talk about praying in Jesus name. So I don't need to go in any other name!
These comments are spicy!!! I’m a catholic who left the church, then was interested in Protestantism for quite some time before coming back home to the Catholic Church 2 years ago. Praise God. I appreciate Protestant’s emphasis on scripture & personal relationship with Christ. I love my Protestant brothers & sisters.
The Catholic Church was the original church. Then it went apostate. That’s why the reformation happened and it’s why the real church isn’t Catholic. They have created all kinds of unbiblical false things: Popes, rosary beads, praying to saints, etc.
@@conservativemama3437 well dang, I guess maybe Joseph Smith might have been right…
Of course not, the Church never went apostate. Needed reform from within? Sure. And we did that. Luther didn’t have to leave. And yes, he left. Excommunication is just a recognition of that.
If we truly love them we will be bolder about speaking Truth to them, that the Catholic Church is the ONLY true church.
@@conservativemama3437 Correction: the Orthodox Church is the original and eternal church of Christ. Rome split and became the Catholic Church of the West. Please read church history to understand what it is the reformers actually believed because it is not the Protestantism of to-day.
@@GratiaPrima_ you’re absolutely correct.
Luther wanted to change church doctrine basically he wanted created a new religion with a new pope being himself. He would persecute his followers who broke away starting their own churches .
Neither Luther or the others had authority to found new churches.
I love the testimony of Jordan Peterson’s wife and the rosary, I’m a cradle catholic and believe the prayers of saints on our behalf are powerful in the higher dimensions just as other peoples’ in this one..
You started with a completely false stance that the Catholic Church holds. The Church doesn't "give" sainthood and there's not a single saint in history who has said they personally earned this by themselves. Look at any saint's writings or preaching, they all point to Jesus and adherently rely on Christ. The Church recognizes sainthood, but doesn't give it.
I'm Catholic and I don't feel distant from Jesus at all! I don't worship Saints. No Catholic I know worships Saints. They don't teach us to worship Saints. I've never heard a priest tell us to go to the Saints to answer our prayers. Never. So many lies being told. How can Catholics be "distant from The Lord" when we have the EUCHARIST! It's sad how all of us Christians are divided. I will never talk down on Protestants. We are all brothers and sisters.
But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion.” (Pius XII, Fulgens Corona, September 8, 1953, paragraphs 18, 33 & 34)
In the original latin, he uses the word for worship according tothe Vulgate. By that I mean he chooses the word comparable to latria not dulia. The pope is sayign to you "worship Mary". This is not the word for hyper-dulia. its latria.
"ubique colere, venerari, invocare et praedicare" in the origina;
Thank you!!!
@@sharingthegospel8570the pope told me to worship Mary? Hmmm, I guess this whole time I’ve been duped because of one letter.
They must have forgotten to out that in the Catechism.
I’m being sarcastic. It’s not dogma. That Pope didn’t make it dogma and had no relevance today.
Enjoy your Bible, and majority of your theology brought to you by the Catholic Church….. hey. Allie just did a whole show on how bad birth control is…. Guess which denomination has banned contraception? Huh? Huh? IVF too.
Every church father was Catholic, go read Justin Martyr. 1500 years of Catholicism before The reformation. But the “church” was corrupted I hear….. but, but wouldn’t that make the Bible false?
And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter,* and on this rock* I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades* shall not prevail against it.* I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,* and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” - Matthew 16:17-19
@@loadz03 This is all very interesting. thanks for your reply. There is a lot of info here. too much to unpack because I dont really disagree with any of it, just the conclusions I guess. And of course protestant is not a denomination or a "church" in the sense that Rome is. so there is not much to disagree with except for the conclusions you mean to infer by what youve said. All in all I was directly replying to the OP when they stated " They don't teach us to worship Saints. I've never heard a priest tell us to go to the Saints to answer our prayers".. I was just showing that infact the chief undershepherd -- the pope had done so. I was proving nothing more and nothing less. I know this isnt from the CCC. Thanks for replying!
The comment section is largely about praying to saints but there's wisdom coming from both speakers about other things. Worth a listen
Beautiful conversation as Jesus was so exalted!!! We are so underserved of this great God….and this LOVE! But yet while we were still sinners, Christ willingly died for me, for us. Lord bring us who believe to the finish line in spite of the spiritual opposition and of all the evil; all the hardships and in the waiting! We love You King Jesus and we await Your return! Until then, we proclaim this “Good News!”
"Expositors who are shepherds" epitomizes "practice what you preach." Excellent show, and what an encouragement to know that there are young people with such gifts and passion. Until the nets are full !
To be fair, I hope Allie brings a real Catholic apologist on her podcast now to explain Catholic teaching, not just a protestant. I don't believe saints separate Catholics from Jesus any more than our fellow Christian that we ask to pray for us. It's fellowship. I'm curious if Allie believes Catholics are going to end up in eternal torment.
But if they're dead how are you fellowshipping with them?
Why do you have saints that rule over certain things/geographical areas/ body parts/ health issues?
I have a LOT of catholic friends and family members and I've always wanted to ask this but do not want to offend
Many will put idols of these saints in different places in their homes, go to places in south America/ Mexico to visit certain saints to pray to them for certain things.
How can they pray for you if they're dead?
The Bible says we lay sleep in the grave knowing nothing when we die until Jesus returns.
Are you saying these saints are like Enoch? Have been taken up by Christ and have no Earthly body?
If these people are dead in the ground... how are they praying for you?
I don't know the answer. I know some people are very pure, their souls are, like Mother Cabrini, St Bernadette of Lourdes, or St Teresa de Avila. Many others. Recently 60 minutes had a piece about the lastest Lourdes miracle, many doctors examined this woman clinical long story of suffering. Finally Vatican certified a miracle. Tammy Peterson's cure, to my knowledge has not being certified a miracle. No need, she converted to Catholic and Jordan is thinking about it.
What an awesome young man! I’ve never heard any pastor. Pour the word of God out in conversation and interview like he did! I pray God uses him mightily in the kingdom!
This has to be my favorite episode. Definitely encouraging. GOD IS SO GOOD! 💕
WOW!!!!! This was indeed such an encouraging and uplifting episode!!!!!!! I go away praising God wanting to serve Him seeing MORE of His beauty I love how much His name was lifted up ALL GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!!!!!!!!!!!
This wasn't a question session it was a whole spirit filled sermon!!! Hallelujah Glory to God in the highest!!
As a Catholic, I knew exactly what was coming when I saw the title. Unfortunately, I feel like your guests’ take on the saints and Catholic teaching was even less informed that what we usually hear. My mouth dropped open when I realized he was conflating saints and canonized saints as though the Catholic Church teaches that only those that have gone through the canonization process are in heaven, as though you have to be voted in by the hierarchy. In addition, you can read any of the stories of the saints- and of them!- and you will find that not a single one credits their own works for anything and neither do the Catholics who look to them as an example. They were completely devoted to Jesus. Many other commenters have tackled refuting these faulty arguments, but I came to say this: I am a lifelong Catholic. I have 20 years of Catholic education under my belt. I have a degree in theology from a Catholic university. Not one time did I ever have a teacher, priest, youth leader etc. disparage Protestants, or refer to them as anything other than our brothers and sisters in Christ. We grew up believing that Protestants are our brothers and sister Christians. Period. In fact, in college I took a class on Protestantism, where we had to do a deep dive into a Protestant denomination, attend their services and learn what they believe. I am routinely floored by the unwillingness of Protestant commentators to rely on anything other than their own faulty understanding of Catholicism to inform the things they say about Catholics. You brought a guest on to discuss Catholic doctrine who does not know anything about Catholic doctrine, has no respect for it, and did not do his homework. I’ve seen one Catholic guest on your show, and you issued a disclaimer that she was Catholic before she spoke about her faith. I have been a long time listener of your show, and not once have I heard you acknowledge Catholics as your brothers and sisters in Christ. It’s very sad.
I don’t get it it’s sad
Thank you!!!
One more reason I could never be Protestant the more I hear Protestants the more I’m sure I’m in true church of Christ
Catholic Church.
This! I really like Allie Beth, but any time I’ve seen her approach the Catholic faith, it seems as though she feels that it is not truly part of the Christian faith. Also, Roman Catholic’s are not the only Christians who believe these things. Eastern Orthodox, Coptic, Asian Orthodox, and even Anglican and Lutheran churches believe many of these things. I’ve tried answer some comments here with charity about what we as Catholics actually believe, but there is so much miss information being stated, and as a mother to 4 young children, it would be impossible for me to reply to each misinformed comment in a way that affectively communicates what the Catholic Church truly teaches and believes.
I get it haha. I have 6 kids, and no time. There is alot more I would like to say, but I don’t have the time or the brain capacity to make it coherent 😅
One of the best episodes I've seen. I don't know this young man, but I will pray for him right now that the Lord will continue to use him for His own Glory and for the good of the body of Christ. Thanks for introducing me to him Allie. I will forward this episode to my son in college as an encouragement.
I have had so many unanswered questions about this matter and I am so thankful to the lord for this young mans answering the truth by Gods holy word. God bless this channel and Pastor Pitts.
"We pursue sound doctrine because we want to know Christ rightly and deeply" AMEN!!!! and amen.
Corrie Ten Boom famously said, 'the rock on which I build my faith is not in me but in the faithfulness of God". From faith to faith we go (grace after grace)....it is ALL about God and His faithfulness, love, mercy, grace, kindness, power, goodness, salvation, HIS WORD! YESHUA IS LORD!
This interview has been my FAVORITE interview EVER from ABS! God bless you Pastor Paul for defending the faith!!
Please invite Scott Hahn to defend intercessory prayer from a Catholic perspective so your listeners can hear both sides and decide what they believe.
Scott is amazing and he can understand the protestant side.. she should definitely have him on!
God's word is clear. Christ is sufficient. And because Christ is sufficient, and the sole mediator between God and man, we do not need to ask intercession from those who have passed away from this earth.
Moreover, 2 Corinthians 5:1-9 states that man dies once, and faces judgement after that. The triune God hears our prayers through His omnipresence and omnipotence because He is God. Humans do not have these traits, and therefore are unable to hear the prayers from people in this world
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@desibaby98124 Those who have died in God's grace having undergone the particular judgment (general judgment will happen when Christ returns) and are now in heaven with Him are united to Him in His Body and their souls are perfectly alive in Christ. The saints are our friends who have run the race and remained faithful despite adversity until their last breath. When I pray, it is like a friendship and just as real as being face to face sharing the depths of my soul with a close living friend. Yes, they have died, but their souls have been raised and are united to Christ. Their bodies will be resurrected when Christ comes again. Those faithful to Christ will all be one. There is no competition. We are united in our faith in Christ, we all worship Him alone. Strengthening one another and having charitable relationships with those alive on earth and those alive in heaven is not threatening to the perfection and adoration due to God. Prayer is by definition the lifting of our minds and hearts to God. If you think the saints in heaven are trying to point us to anyone else but God, you may be profoundly misunderstanding their role.
@@desibaby98124 💯👏
Orthodox Christian here. We don’t actually “pray to” saints in the way Protestants imagine, we simply request their intercession as one would ask a living friend to pray for us. Subtle but important distinction.
Dead humans are not omnipotent like God is, where is the indication scripturally that they hear and grant these requests said verbally and mentally. Why do you ask in the form of prayer when you can ask a believer plainly here. God has no favorites.
He just said we ask for intersection like you would ask your pastor to put his hand on your head and pray for you he’s interceding for you is that simple .
Death Saints are more alive that living ones .
God of the living not of the death .
@EricN571 do I pray to my pastor though or do I just ask him, because he's here though. It is intellectually dishonest to equate these equally.
@@edf18 that’s exactly what praying to saints is asking them to pray for us that’s all Again just like you ask your pastor or family.
Praying means to ask .
It’s dishonest to acuse people of faith of something they don’t do .
@@EricN571 no praying is not asking informally it is an act of worship. I don't worship my pastor.
Beautifully expounding the scripture to explain why we do NOT need to pray to anyone other than Jesus our Savior
I certainly hope Jesus in his infinite wisdom doesn't send someone in his place to help you. I imagine at that point you will kindly dismiss them and request Jesus himself. Many of the last will be first and the first last. Good luck.
@@mgm153 There's a huge difference in asking someone who is alive to pray for you - and this doesn't mean you can't pray yourself, but you're requesting it because you're in need of help - and asking someone who is dead, therefore waiting for resurrection and not in position to help you. Praise the Lord for sending brothers and sisters to help us in times of need.
@@mgm153also key difference: pray TO GOD and FOR someone else. We don't pray to anyone but God.
Praise God for this young man who loves Jesus The Lord! What a wonderful conversation. I’m greatly encouraged. And thank you, Allie for always pointing listeners to The Gospel.
I love my brothers and sisters in the Protestant church but I pray for them to come to the fullness of the Catholic Church.
There is only fullness of demonic doctrines in the RCC. Please study before placing your trust in man.
ABS is getting a lot of push back here from her Catholic listeners and it is good to see. I'm so thankful more Catholics are ready and willing and capable of defending their faith. I don't think this would have been so widely the case 30+ years ago.
Catholics defending the Catholic church amidst the political and Hollywood filth that the pope and the vatican is involved in is incredibly sad.
Catholicism is false doctrine. There is not biblical support for infant baptism, communion is only for believers, not to mention it is not transformed into the body and blood of Christ, no biblical support for confirmation, you can go right to Jesus for forgiveness, not a priest, ... I could go on and on. It has become a religion of pharisees with rules that the Lord never prescribed for His people. You can push back all you want. You will still be wrong in so many of your church traditions. Sorry, not sorry.
Amen!
Jesus said to Peter, "You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church." (Matthew 16: 18) Jesus said "build," as in to create a structure. Jesus built His structure on specifically chosen human beings Peter and the apostles.
Baptism
John 3:5 - “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 28:19 - “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Confirmation
Luke 24:49 - “But stay you in the city of Jerusalem till you be endued with power from on high.”
The Eucharist
John 6:54 - “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His blood, you shall not have life in you.”
Sacrament of Penance [Confession]
Psalm 41:4 - “Heal, O Lord, my soul, for I have sinned against Thee.”
John 20:22-23 - “And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’”
Anointing of the Sick [Extrem Unction]
James 5:14-15 - “Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man, and the Lord shall raise him up, and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.”
Matrimony
Matthew 19:4-6 - “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Holy Orders
Matthew 10:1 - Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
John 20:22-23 - “And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’”
@@72586jejones😂😂😂 this is so laughable. There’s 100% biblical support for all of these.
Luke 11:27-28
As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
And who kept the word of God and pondered all these things in her heart more than Mary. Jesus was not publicly admonishing his mother because if he was he would be breaking the commandment to honour your mother and father. What he was saying was that the supernatural life in God is more important that the physical achievements here on earth.
Hear is interesting related to Jesus. As in his, "For anyone who has ears to hear, let them hear. Think it indicates more than just hearing. Maybe more like hear, think about, and then accept or decline. In John, when hearing the eating my body discourse, many disciples said something like, "This teaching is too difficult. Who can follow it?" And many disciples left Jesus. Hearing, understanding and accepting might not always be easy.
@@user-wg5dm6oc3t He redirected the blessings. You’re reaching.
What Jesus says applies to Mary and all who seek to be like her. No one heard the Word of God and kept it better than Mary, the Mother of God, she who kept the Word of God Incarnate within her womb for 9 months, nursed him as a babe, and lived by his side for 30 years. She was both, but it was her beautiful soul that was most precious, just as the spirit is eternal, not the flesh.
She heard the word of God before Jesus came to save us. Before anything was proven. She is the first ever Christian. And the terbanacle that held our Lord.
She gave milk to our Bread.
This was a fabulous segment. I'd never heard of Paul Pitts lll. What a great voice for our day and time! In my opinion, our expectations of how our life should be and that God is obligated to make our dreams come true is a huge reason for a falling away of Christianity. But God never gives any such promise. In fact, we are told that in this life, we will have trouble, but take heart, for I (Jesus) have overcome the world. The peace and prosperity and the progressive churches are such a detriment to sound Biblical teaching and the leading astray of countless Christians. I am not my own. I was bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus Christ and I am His to do with as He sees fit. My job is to glorify Him in whatever circumstance and suffering I find myself in. I'm a high functioning quadriplegic quadriplegic in chronic pain for 37 years and have endured a life of loss, grief and pain. Yet my life if full and joyous and hope filled. I'm also a recent widow. My God reigns and meets every need according to His riches in glory and is forever faithful and true. Nobody loves me like Jesus, my all in all.
Thank you for your beautiful testimony. 🤗🙏✝️ Praying for you, dear sister!
Id love to see a debate between this preacher and Trent Horn on the topic of Mary and the saints! He is COMPLETELY misrepresenting the Catholic Church's teaching.
Name one thing that was misrepresented
We also have to be careful worshipping pastors and worship leaders. They are human. I like the pastors who redirect people to the Lord. It is God not anyone else. Point to Christ. He is worth all the glory!!
The thing about the saints, those still living here on earth, and the saints that have passed into eternity, is that we are all human. Though the ones who are in eternity are awaiting their new bodies. Praying for one another is encouraging, and healing (James 5:16). But praying to deceased saints is not praying for one another. We don’t know what they are thinking, and they are not our intercessor to the Father, only Jesus is (Hebrews 7:25) Plus, as humans, we are not all knowing, or omnipresent, and may not be able to pray for all the requests that come our way. BUT, going to the Father, in Jesus name, we know that He hears us, and knows what we need before a word leaves our lips.
We definitely dont need the saints in heaven! Christ is sufficient as you are saying. But the Lord allows us to have a relationship with them to help us understand Himself more! :)
@@user-uy1pt8rl8f what is the point of that? is the Bible alone not sufficient to learn about Him?
@@z.s.r.h Actually, yeah! As Catholics, we do not believe the Bible alone is sufficient, we actually believe you need a Church teaching authority that is equally as important as the Bible. There is so much in the Bible that can not easily be transferable to today I.e. deciding whether certain practices in our culture today are moral, like IVF or Birth control (as it occurs today) for two easy examples. It is really great that we have an authority who has really studied these topics and the theology to decide whether these things are acceptable or not!
The Christian Church obviously continued after what was just in the Bible, so understanding the history of our Church and how our faith was passed on through the generations can really help us in our Christian walks today!
But back to the saints, each of them can help us be brought closer to Christ because they 1.) are people who have followed Christs example in their own lives on earth, so we can be inspired by them to follow Christ in the ways they did…it’s similar to be inspired by someone sharing their testimony. And 2.) in terms of asking for their prayers (first of all, I get that even the idea of praying to ppl who are not God, who have passed can seem really weird) it is good to think of these people as brothers and sisters surrounding God in heaven, but even more than that, we believe they are in complete union with Him! Therefore praying and asking for their help, is another way of growing closer to God.
I know I’m explaining a lot here, and I get how it can be quite foreign! But I recommend looking at places like Catholisanswers, EWTN, Trent Horn, or even our Catholic Catechism to understand more!
God Bless you!
@@z.s.r.h exactly. And where in the Bible does it tell us to pray to these dead saints (humans)?
They don’t understand that we catholic an Orthodox and traditional Protestant that those in heaven are more alive than those on earth , we believe the only dead people are those separated from Jesus, we believe the church in heaven and earth are connected as one in Jesus , they do not believe we are connected as one church united
As a Catholic, praying to saints has never “hindered” my relationship with Jesus! It has helped bring me closer because I realize that here on earth, and in heaven we are all united through Christ! I know the saints in heaven are praying for me when I ask! They love us and want us to join them there. I know it’s a really foreign concept, to pray to saints and ask for intercession, but it’s truly beautiful! Study the lives of these saints, they are beautiful people !
Growing up Protestant, I believed it was antiChristian. However, after the Holy Spirit led me to Orthodoxy, I began to understand the importance and benefits of the intercession of our Saints. Having successfully run the race that was set before them, they are our Cloud of Witnesses, whose intercession before the throne of our Lord holds great power. They are our friends, our helpers, who guide us towards our Blessed Savior. It’s not that it’s necessary for our salvation, but more proof of God’s love for us. The fullness of the present fellowship of all God’s saints in both the Church Militant and Triumphant is another reality of God’s great mysterious love for us.
@@nerychristian Intercession of Saints.& Angels in the Bible
twe are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses...
Hebrews 12:1
Old Testament
Job 33:23-25- The power of a guardian angel's intercession for a suffering soul is alluded to by God.
Zechariah 1:12- An angel in heaven prays for God to have mercy on Jerusalem & Judah.
Jeremiah 15:1- God refers to the fact that Moses & Samuel could approach his throne to intercede for Judah.
Psalm 103:20-21; 148:1-2-
David asks angels to pray with him in praise to God.
Tobit 12:12- The Archangel Raphael explains that he received Tobit's prayer and brought it before God.
2 Maccabees 15:12-14-In a vision of the afterlife, the deceased Jeremiah and Onias are seen praying for Israel's victory over foreign enemies.
New Testament
Luke 9:28-36- Jesus is seen speaking to the spirits of Moses and Elijah who testify about Christ to the living on Mt. Tabor.
Luke 16:19-31-Saint Abraham is aware of Lazarus life of suffering and is sent to comfort him in the afterlife.
Luke 22:43- An angel appears to Jesus to strengthen Him before His
Passion.
Matthew 18:10- Children's guardian angels always behold
God's face to intercede.
Matthew 27:52-53- After Jesus' resurrection, other saints rise from their tombs and appear to the living as a testimony.
Revelation 6:9-10- The martyrs in heaven ask God when he will seek justice against evildoers on Earth.
Revelation 5:8; 8:3-5- Saints and angels in heaven receive prayers from the church on Earth and offer them like incense before God's throne, praying for the living.
Revelation 18:10,20-21- Saints and angels rejoice in heaven with the triumph of good over evil on Earth.
@@nerychristian but yet it is clear in that scripture he is clearly not doing God’s will. Our prayers to saints are always meant to coincide with Gods will. I’ve prayed to saints before to help me overcome sin I was dealing with, and i can testify that it worked. It is uniting with others to worship God together, even others who have gone before us!
@@Ajas0810 most of those are 1)angels 2)the spirit world speaking to the spirit world or 3)miracles like the dead speaking. NONE of those are living saints praying for help from dead saints. The prayers of the saved (saints) are always a sweet savor to God. IT’s mentioned often. But how are the dead helping us with prayers?? We can speak directly to Jesus, why would we need another middle man? Maybe the dead can pray for you… but I’ve never seen evidence of that. Why would you waste time on dead folks when the Living Christ is waiting for you to talk to him!
@@meliciousgoremay the church is one body as we have seen over and over in scripture. Jesus has one body. Because of Christ’s victory over death, a victory in which all Christians share (see 1 Cor 15:25-26, 54-56; 2 Cor 2:14; 2 Tim 1:10), natural death cannot separate Christians from Christ or from each other. That is why Paul exulted, “What will separate us from the love of Christ? . . . I am convinced that neither death, nor life . . . will be able to separate us from the love of God in Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom 8:35-39). Since death has no power to sever the bond of Christian unity, the relationship between Christians on earth and those in heaven remains intact. So they are alive in heaven and can hear us.
This young man is "A NATURAL PREACHER INDEED" shared the gospel with such clarity and accuracy quoting scripture with eloquent explanation. One of the best "Relatable" episodes I have listened to (and I've listened to most)
What you win people with is what you have to keep them with... spot on statement
Saint are more alive in Heaven than we are on Earth. They’re with God! Second, asking for someone’s intercession is not the same as saying they’re they saved the world. I thought this podcast was disappointing, because you didn’t discuss actual Catholic positions. This was more of a “why protestants feel like we shouldn’t pray to saints” rather than a “here’s why you objectively shouldn’t pray to saints. Allie, after the talk with Farmer I thought you needed to know the Catholic perspective a lot more before critiquing it.
But if they're dead how are you fellowshipping with them?
Why do you have saints that rule over certain things/geographical areas/ body parts/ health issues?
I have a LOT of catholic friends and family members and I've always wanted to ask this but do not want to offend
Many will put idols of these saints in different places in their homes, go to places in south America/ Mexico to visit certain saints to pray to them for certain things.
How can they pray for you if they're dead?
The Bible says we lay sleep in the grave knowing nothing when we die until Jesus returns.
Are you saying these saints are like Enoch? Have been taken up by Christ and have no Earthly body?
If these people are dead in the ground... how are they praying for you?
Thank you for a beautiful interview! When Jesus died on the cross, the curtain in the temple was rent in two. That curtain divided the holy of holies which previously only the priests could enter. That was a sign from God that now we no longer need a priest or other human to intercede for us, we can now go directly to God’s throne of grace because of Jesus’ sacrifice. He is our all sufficient mediator that’s why we pray in Jesus name. Thank you Jesus!
When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, it was to “our Father who is in heaven”, not our saint Moses, Abraham or Elijah, etc.
I love that Paul Potts III keeps pointing us the sufficiency and glory of Christ. He doesn’t need assistance in hearing or answering the prayers of the sheep He so tenderly shepherds.
There WAS that one time a few apostles prayed and worshiped with Moses and Elijah tho….
And the people that recite that prayer weekly and even daily, also ask for the prayers of the saints.
And yet God allowed Abraham, Elijah and Moses to intercede for the people on their behalf.
We don’t “need” the saints in heaven! Christ died for each of us individually and would do it all over again for just one of us! Christ loves us and we love Him so much! BUT he allows us to have relationship with the saints in heaven only because those relationships always point back to Him! Praise God for that!
Amen. Praise Yeshua.
ABS this is one of my favorite programs! Thank you for having Paul on your show. I was greatly encouraged by his testimony and his theology. ❤
Just watching you both made me feel closer to God ❤️ God bless you both from an Israeli Christian
Anytime you plan to have a discussion on anything Catholic related I really think it would be helpful to have a seasoned Catholic on.
Otherwise it’s just 2 people agreeing and missing what the other side is actually saying.
Comments by Catholics on here seem to feel misunderstood or straw-manned.
Agree
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Thank you!
Yep
Well said. I believe this may be intentional by Allie. Catholics are misrepresented on this podcast by people who have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to Catholicism.
We don’t worship Mary or the saints, we pray for their intercession, we ask them to pray with us actually. They are our advocates!!
And that is 100% unbiblical
They don’t understand that we catholic an Orthodox and traditional Protestant that those in heaven are more alive than those on earth , we believe the only dead people are those separated from Jesus, we believe the church in heaven and earth are connected as one in Jesus , they do not believe we are connected as one church united
Anglo Catholics like father Calvin Robinson do
I believe some Catholics do worship saints especially Mary. I was in a discussion with a lady who was catholic and she said she believes Mary is divine. That’s why some people say Catholics worship saints and Mary
Jesus never said we needed advocates to have our prayers heard/answered 🤔
Catholics agree that we are all meant to be saints.
probably can't tell when you have a prot on to explain Catholic teachings.
Wow, this conversation was SO GOOD. So much more than the title! Please have him on again.
I am a proud Catholic and love hearing perspectives. Please bring Father Schmitz to your show ❤
Amazing, truth-filled, biblical content. Love the careful, thoughtful exposition of scripture by this guest. Brings tears of joy to my eyes and heart. Thank you, Allie!
This was uplifting and refreshing. I am grateful to have s new face/ pastor to add to my list of sound preachers ❤ ty for sharing
Actually hes quite dry like all Protestant pastors, not inspiring at all. Also, he is misinformed about wgmhat Catholics believe regarding the word Saint.
The term “saint” is used in multiple senses, even in Scripture.
The term “saint” (Hebrew, qadosh; Aramaic, qaddish; Greek, hagios; Latin, sanctus) means “holy one.” Anyone who is in some sense holy or sanctified is in that sense a saint. This leads to many uses of the term in Scripture, though this is partially masked because English translators sometimes render the word as “saint” and sometimes as “holy one.”
The Israelites were a people holy to God (Lev. 20:26), so the Old Testament describes them as saints (Ps. 34:9; Dan. 7:18, 8:24). Thus, Paul tells Gentile Christians that they have become fellow citizens “with the saints” (Eph. 2:19).
Christians are also holy to God (1 Peter 1:16), so the New Testament often refers to them as saints (2 Cor. 1:1, Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:1). The Catholic Church acknowledges this usage. After reviewing various passages in the New Testament that refer to Christians as saints, John Paul II noted, “All these cases refer to Christians, or to the faithful, that is, to the brethren who have received the Holy Spirit” (General Audience, August 16, 1989).
Jewish people were sanctified by their participation in the Mosaic Covenant, and Christians are sanctified by their participation in the New Covenant of Christ, so this represents two different forms of sanctification or sainthood. There are others.
Thus the holy angels are also referred to as saints (Ps. 89:6, 8; Dan. 4:13, 17, 23, 8:13). In popular speech, a person of notable holiness is often referred to as a saint, and we find this usage in the Bible as well (cf. Isa. 4:3-4, Matt. 27:52-53). Very surprisingly for English speakers, Jesus is described as the Saint or Holy One of God (Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; John 6:67-69), and God is described as the Saint or Holy One of Israel (Ps. 71:22, 78:41, 89:18; Is. 1:4; Jer. 50:29).
Thank you so much for this conversation... Prayers and blessings to both of you
Thank you Allie for another inspiring guest, Paul Pitts 111. I feel like I have grown a little bit more from listening to him. He made some good points, we can still trust and praise God in our tears or whatever troubles we may be going through, keep on praying to God and if we have questions, He is not afraid of our questions and etc. This is another encouraging message that will help us as Christians grow Spiritually if we take heed to it.
“The highest peak of his glory was the cross.” Amen! This was a great episode! 🤍
I want to thank all the Roman Catholic people that explained about the Virgin Mary and their relationship with Saints. I am Protestant, Lutheran Missouri-Synod. I have discussed this with my Roman Catholic friends and although they did a fine job.. you all helped it sink in.. so thank you.
That being said my opinion is that if you grow up Protestant you tend to hold those beliefs as they are ingrained in you. Unless of course you want to embrace being Catholic.
One example that separates my denomination from other Protestant denominations is the idea of the Rapture. I believe in one second coming and that’s it. Not a second coming and then another coming. Another is the Eucharist which is the body and blood of our Lord for forgiveness of sins and commanded by Jesus. A solemn celebration not taken lightly. I was uncomfortable with churches that hand out crackers and juice to all.
But my point is besides my thanks is that it can be difficult to wrap your mind around ideologies that are foreign to the church you were brought up in.. this is just my idea however right or not so right. 🤷🏻♀️
Thank you for saying this
That’s awesome. Thanks for being willing to listen, that’s becoming more and more rare.
the Rapture, and indeed all of Dispensationalism, is totally heretical. Kudos to your church for getting that right!
The nice thing is you are completely free to pray directly to God, no need to participate in any devotion or intercession to the saints if it is uncomfortable.
The issue with your response is that you're placing all Protestants as monolithic. What you said is a complete generalization. Maybe you need better Protestant friends to defend their faith. Also, not all Protestants have grown up in their faith and been "ingrained" in their beliefs. Interesting choice of words, as if Catholics have not been "ingrained." For instance, in Latin America, it has been ingrained in them to be Catholic ever since the Spaniards colonized America and forced Indigenous people to turn to Catholicism. If they didn't, they were annihilated. Moving forward, many have been Catholics and then turned away from it, too. So, the "ingrained" idea doesn't fit all situations. Most protestants have been secular people first, too. Also, you fail to see that many churches have gone astray; even Catholics have issues with the current Pope. Lastly, the church is us, not a building or a demonation. It's our job to find the truth, not defend a particular religion or church because any could have gone astray. It seems you have a preference toward Catholics, and that's fine. But that also means you have biases and generaliztions, and it shows it your response.
A comedian who is making fun of catholicism sounds like someone who doesn't understand their faith. Please invite someone that is knowledgeable about the catholic faith.
Awesome testimony! Thank you Pastor Pitts for sharing the truth of the Gospel of Christ. I can see that Jesus has done a great work in you. I pray the Lord continues to bless you in your ministry and family life.🙏
"we should not be honoring our doubts as much as we do"/ "we have given way too much authority to our doubts and to ourselves". I LOVE this convo!
Allie Beth it would benefit your viewers if you hosted a Catholic theologian or apologist to explain Catholic Church teaching on the Saints. Your discussion here is trying to explain Catholic teaching under a Protestant lens. It doesn't work and it's not honest. Bringing on a Catholic expert who can explain what the Church teaches, on whatever topic, would be educational. You may or may not agree but at least you can have a conversation. That would be honest. I would recommend Bishop Barron. He is knowledgeable and respectful.
And by the way Allie, that comedian you were referring to HAD to be joking when she said that you have to go through this saint and then this saint and then Mary, etc.. or she was just VERY misunderstood. We Catholics know darn well that there is no chain of command when it comes to speaking to Our Lord.
Oh, and then for you to say that Mary was a sinner 🤯 Good gracious…. Do your research before making another episode on what you believe to be Catholicism. What a slap in the face to Catholics this episode was. Truly disappointing 😔
This episode sent me to my knees. Thank you for this interview. 🙏🏽
This was awesome! Catholics need to be evangelized. They are blind to the gospel. How do I know? I was one! Praise Jesus for His work and His sufficiency!
Hallelujah!! Oh my goodness! Thank you Lord for this episode! This was so encouraging. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thank you for this video ❤
Really admire how scripture emanates from this guy’s mouth. I feel that’s how our conversations should sound like.
This was so so so good!!! The Catholic part is so little of this conversation. This entire conversation was well done!!!
Saints are always alive when mentioned in the bible.
1:00:23 Allie, Are you honestly suggesting that Jesus doesn’t fulfill his own 4th commandment to honor His father and mother in a way more perfect than we ever could our own parents? I do not get personally offended by differing beliefs and while I think Rev Pitts is not understanding Catholic theology, I don’t get upset about it.
But to hear you say that Christ “repudiates” his special relationship with His mother is heartbreaking. No on can love Mary more than Jesus himself. And He is our omnipotent creator who isn’t perturbed or irritated when we also honor her. There is no comparison. He is God and she is not. They are not in competition.
But she is our mother and He said so from the cross.
Exactly.
Thank you for this episode! So good and encouraging ❤
I would love to see him back on your show. I think he did a great job explaining things and really spoke the truth in love.
Within the first minute of the guest discussing Catholicism, there were major issues that told me this wasn't going to be a serious discussion:
1) He called Catholics fellow image bearers of God. Muslims, Satanists and every other person is a fellow image bearer. What he didn't call us is fellow children of God, or fellow Christians. Any person who considers the only Christians in the West prior to the Reformation non-Christians is hard to take seriously.
2) He says that discussions with Catholics aren't centered on God's Word, but then defines God's Word as exclusively the Scriptures. This is a strawman that fails to acknowledge the Catholic view that God's Word is both Scripture, or His written Word, AND Sacred Tradition, or His orally passed on Word. Protestants removed the deuterocanonical books, threw out Sacred Tradition, redefined "God's Word" and then criticize Catholics by their new standard.
3) He conflates the Catholic definition of saints with canonized saints. Obviously the vast majority of saints aren't canonized. To imply that Catholics believe the Pope must sign off on each person who enters heaven is extremely misleading.
I'll keep watching, but this is really bad faith argumentation only a minute in. It seems like this is one topic Allie struggles to be objective with.
THANK YOU! Perfect. I adore Allie, but this is disappointing and ridiculous.
You are fellow brothers in Christ if you’re trusting in Christ to save you. If you, for instance, believe you must confess your sins constantly or not be fully ready to enter heaven, or that you could have to “work off” your sins by performing certain rituals or prayers, then you are trusting something else.
Why did Jesus give the Apostles the authority to forgive sins in John 20:23? It's the first thing He did after appearing to them post-Resurrection. Why did James 5:16 tell us to confess our sins to one another, right after James tells us to call for a Presbyter if anyone has committed sins, and then they will be forgiven? This isn't even getting into the Patristics. Your stance is unironically that if any person holds to the views of sin espoused by the early Church and every Christian prior to the past few hundred years, they aren't actually a Christian.
It's not that Catholics are trusting someone other than Jesus - We trust the authority He instituted, which is currently vested in the successors to the Apostles. As Jesus said of the Apostles, "Whoever listens to you listens to Me". (Luke 10:16)
Didn’t Catholics think of Protestants as the ones who were heretics? Look, we don’t need to be Catholic in order to become Christian. We only need Christ to become a Christian. All Protestants just wanted what the Bible teaches, not what the Catholic Church teaches. And even if a Protestant were to go to a Catholic Church, they can’t take part of communion with them because they’re not Catholic. It’s ridiculous when we have to jump through hoops in Catholicism.
Agree!
The Catholic Church acknowledges the usage if the word Saint to all who are holy to God. The term “saint” is used in multiple senses, even in Scripture.
The term “saint” means “holy one.” Anyone who is in some sense holy or sanctified is in that sense a saint.
The Israelites were a people holy to God (Lev. 20:26), so the Old Testament describes them as saints (Ps. 34:9; Dan. 7:18, 8:24). Thus, Paul tells Gentile Christians that they have become fellow citizens “with the saints” (Eph. 2:19).
Christians are also holy to God (1 Peter 1:16), so the New Testament often refers to them as saints (2 Cor. 1:1, Eph. 1:1, Phil. 1:1). The Catholic Church acknowledges this usage. After reviewing various passages in the New Testament that refer to Christians as saints, Pope John Paul II noted, “All these cases refer to Christians, or to the faithful, that is, to the brethren who have received the Holy Spirit” (General Audience, August 16, 1989).
Jewish people were sanctified by their participation in the Mosaic Covenant, and Christians are sanctified by their participation in the New Covenant of Christ, so this represents two different forms of sanctification or sainthood. There are others.
Thus the holy angels are also referred to as saints (Ps. 89:6, 8; Dan. 4:13, 17, 23, 8:13). In popular speech, a person of notable holiness is often referred to as a saint, and we find this usage in the Bible as well (cf. Isa. 4:3-4, Matt. 27:52-53). Very surprisingly for English speakers, Jesus is described as the Saint or Holy One of God (Mark 1:24; Luke 4:34; John 6:67-69), and God is described as the Saint or Holy One of Israel (Ps. 71:22, 78:41, 89:18; Is. 1:4; Jer. 50:29).
The gentleman really sould have done a little research into Catholic theology on the word Saint before giving his uninformed opinion.
Amen!! Hallelujah. Jesus is sufficient ❤
This conversation was great, I was raised Catholic but have been attending Christian Church because Catholic churches stick to certain sermons or messages all year round and they don’t go around it. Trust me, I have asked them. Not here to argue just to make a point for my case. I needed more and I feel that the Catholic community didn’t have that. I been baptized and I feel a stronger connection with God my Dad above any other.
The readings of the Mass have 3 cycles in which the entire Bible is covered in 3 years. That is every Catholic Church world wide. If you have never taken the time to study the Mass I am sad for you. You left the truth. Jesus asked his disciples "are you going to leave me too" That is what Protestants do in rejecting the Eucharist.
@MrCaptainmorgan24 I have learned that when Catholics leave the church it is because they don’t really know the Catholic Church and its teachings. When Protestants leave their denominations and become Catholic is because in their faith journey they want more and are lead to the Catholic Church, the one true Church.
@@liztesta9088this. Also, The Mass doesn’t center itself around the sermon or the homily from the priest. It isn’t about the preaching. I haven’t attended many Protestant services but it’s my understanding that many of them revolve around the message, but this is not the case with the Mass.
It's all GRACE of calvary that calls us out of sin and darkness into HIS glorious light....
I’m Catholic
The more I hear our separated brothers and sisters Protestants the more I’m sure I’m in the only one true church founded by Jesus Christ. Shout out to my Orthodox brothers they are apostolic too
With valid sacraments.
Blessings. 👋🏻
Why did you add with valid sacraments? Are those necessary for salvation? Or does that make them a better class of Catholic?
@@Avocadotoast6 Orthodox are not Catholic, yet the Catholic Church recognizes their sacraments as valid, whereas it does not for Protestant Churches. That's why. Baptism is necessary for salvation.
@@thursdayschild8039 That’s the distinction. Protestants don’t believe baptism is necessary for salvation. That’s why we would say Catholics depend on works to be saved. It’s something they must do instead of what Jesus did. But then some Catholics will dispute this and say they are saved by faith. I genuinely hear what the Catholics are saying here because they say one thing, but it means something completely different to us. That’s why some don’t claim them to be Christian, because we mean Christ plus nothing saves. Faith in Christ alone.
@@Avocadotoast6 Baptism is necessary for salvation. What Protestants (and some Catholics) fail to realize about the Catholic definition of baptism is that it extends beyond the ritual. You can have a baptism of desire, which would be that you believe in Christ, you pledge your life to him, you repent of your sin, and had you been able to before you died, you would have gotten baptized. The Good Thief had a baptism of desire. This is what Catholics believe "works" are. You have faith in Christ, but you must work to accept him into all areas of your life. It's not about doing good deeds to earn Heaven - that was freely given to us by Christ's death on the cross.
@@thursdayschild8039 why? we are saved through grace alone, not by works. baptism is a work.
Amen 🙏🙌 all the glory and praise to God in Jesus name.
The Saints in heaven are not distant figures, they know us, they love us and they are there to help us. We are all part of the same body of Christ those in heaven, on earth and in Purgatory. The Church is not confined to earth, it is also in heaven and in Purgatory. When Catholics celebrate the Mass we are joined by a heavenly host of angels and Saints who celebrate with us.
Also Allie, have you ever had friends pray for you? Asked your parents or friends to pray for you?? Why? You think more people praying is strong? Prayer of a righteous person has great power? Why would you do that when you have to go only directly to Jesus? I am sorry but you protestants are blinded by repeating out of the context scriptures over and over again. Also Mary is worthless to you, is your mother worthless to you? I am grieved to see that this man will teach Gospel to others, that he has aspiration to lead other believers. Us Catholics go directly to Jesus but also ask for intercession to those righteous persons who received so much grace and gifts from God to become Saints. You think God given gifts bear no strength to interceede? That he chose people to bestow these gifts upon them for no reason?
Those in heaven are not dead. If they are, what are we living for?
Well said , plain and simple.
@celestialmorpho How do you know who is in heaven to intercede in prayer for you? Is not God the judge? You might be really surprised who is and isn’t there when you get there. That’s why you don’t commune with physically dead people.
@@Avocadotoast6 The Bible does teach that the saints are alive. Consider, for example, that Jesus teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is “not God not of the dead, but of the living” (Matt. 22:32; see also 22:23-33). In addition, Moses and Elijah are alive to Jesus at the Transfiguration and converse with him, even though their earthly deaths had occurred many years before (see Matt. 17:1-8).
I think the orthodox perspective on saints would shed a light on this topic much more than the Catholic perspective. As a cradle Catholic then reformed Baptist and now orthodox catechumen, the church fathers have some potent words on the issue
This was such a wonderful interview and a blessing to have seen it. Thank you.
CHRIST is our only Mediator 🙏🔥
Thanks to the Catholic Church we all know that
@@EricN571 I beg to differ, I don't see no Catholic church in my bible. Remove denominations which is foolish and just focus on what the bible says. He is sitted at the right hand of the Father interceding for us.
@@marissajames6830 You won’t find the word Trinity in Bible either right?
@@EricN571 lol, The father, Son and Holy Spirit. Seems quite straight forward to me. All three are one, tri-union, tri-3,tri - trinity. I respectfully stay away from Roman Catholic controversies.
@@marissajames6830 lol , the trinity is a doctrine defined by the Catholic Church many
Centuries ago protestants just accepted it .
If you would only studied early Christianity you would find out the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox are the true churches founded by Christ.
Is not your fault you follow American Christianity they programmed you to be anti catholic.
I stay away from Protestantism there’s only half truth or opinions not concept of truth.
It’s a new movement anyway.
Blessings 👋🏼 .
Saints did not save us, they are just like us all....followers of Jesus. WE pray to Him only. In order to get to the Father we must go through His precious son. Jesus paid it all, all to Him I owe.
Straw man
Strawman. No Catholic believes Saints are our saviour; they are intercessors just like any friend or family members you personally ask. Their being dead is irrelevant cause dead doesn’t separate us from Christ (Romans 8:38-39) and they are members of the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12)z after all God is God of the living and those who believe in him have eternal life
@@filipkarwowski6510Can you name me a single godly person in Scripture who prayed to dead saints for intercession? Can you give me a verse where it tells us to practice such a thing?
@@josietanner3960 “dead Saints” is an oxymoron. God is God of the living lot the dead and those who are in heaven are alive? Do you really believe that death is such an obstacle that Christ didn’t overcome it? Did none of what I referenced resonate with you?
@@josietanner3960 show me where in the Bible it says “thou shalt find every doctrine of the faith and every practice in the Bible alone”
Or better yet, how do you apply the principle of Bible alone in order to have Scripture revealed to believers?
Although I don't believe in praying through the saints, I do believe that there is something very different about the lives of many people venerated as saints vs. the average American Christian today.
Most of these venerated saints, as well as many Protestant missionaries and martyrs, were walking, while on earth, in a level of intimacy with God that we all should strive for. They are holy examples for us to emulate. Like Paul says, follow me as I follow Christ.
Unfortunately, I haven't found much of a living example in my own life to follow outside of people I've read about. My husband and I hold each other up, but it's tough to find a good church where people actually are devoted to Christ above all else.
Love how says you can doubt with God, not against him. And you can doubt and still be surrounded by fellow believers. So cool
There is not one example in the Bible to pray to passed on Saints. Its' a catholic/orrhodox tradition but its not Biblical doctrine
Agreed. It’s a form of idol worship. We pray to Father,Son, and Holy Spirit and that’s it.
@@katierucker2870 No Catholic/Orthodox worship the saints, prayer is not worship. We worship the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, not saints.
@apologists it's just hard to grasp speaking to anyone else other than God only. Why jump through hoops? No one is above him why pray to anyone else?? They didn't die for my sins. They didn't take on the wrath of God for me. He is only worthy of my prayers.
@@melissakeebler8516 do you ask your friends and family to pray for you?
SAME THING WITH THE SAINTS! They are WITH God! We don't WORSHIP them. We ask them to pray for us just the same way we ask friends and family to pray for us. We can learn so much from the Saints. They were just like us. Imperfect humans who dedicated their life to God.
@@taranguapo you don't need them though! Jesus is completely sufficient. you can learn about them through reading about them, not praying to them.
I grew up Catholic. I always found it strange how obsessed Catholics are with the "saints". I knew very little about the Bible. It wasn't until I studied the Bible for myself that I became a Christian. Thank you, Father, for revealing Yourself to me. I pray other Catholics will have the same encounter
Why did you not know the Bible as a Catholic? What kept you from reading it?
Sorry, *studying* it. I know if you went to Mass you were immersed in reading scripture.
That's great that you studied the Bible more and grew in faith!...Catholics are Christians too. Did you mean you furthered your Christian faith as a Catholic, or you became a Protestant?
To be fair there was a generation of poorly educated Catholics I was one of them but instead of leaving for a Protestant church I read the Bible along with the catechism hand n hand and realized all was true and fell in love with Jesus and his church unfortunately most just left
God's blessings from Bay City Michigan
This was a great episode - thank you!
Great… now read the Church Fathers 😊
I do, it's the New Testament. Are you a disciple of Jesus or of those who came hundreds of years later?
Jesus left us a Church and the apostles their successors. You can’t have the Bible without the Church.
@verenice2656 You can't have a church if you don't have a standard and that standard is the Word of God!
@@glennherron9499 How do you know your New Testament is the correct set of books? Who put those books together?
@apologists Great question! Did you know that there were many churches collecting a copy of the various letters? I give the Catholic Church credit for being one of them. But why are you bragging when you tell us that what is in the catechism didn't meet the standard to be added to it. What's in the catechism that isn't in scripture that saves us?
Catholic here. You do not become a saint as your own achievement or given from the church. It is a gift given to you by God. You did not even touch up on the subject and what you said about it is simply not correct. Also, nowhere in the Bible does it say sola scriptura. I am sorry but you basically ignore 1500 years of church tradition and think the Church started with Luther. That is completely historically false. Allie Beth you are so intelligent and thorough, I really don't get it how you haven't taken the time to research the church history (not the kind taught by protestants but actual history) and to actually learn about Catholic faith. I think everyone who does these two things ends up being a Catholic. Just the way it is. Apostolic Church existed long long before protestantism did. Sorry those are just facts. Also, Luther prayed to Mary. I hope next time you bring a Catholic to this debate as well. God bless.
If you’re in the Mesa AZ area, Pilgrim Lutheran Church is a great church that teaches solid theology as well as Heritage Lutheran church. This pastor was so inspiring and had beautiful points. May God bless his ministry
Great interview. Praise God!!
Saints are my big brothers and sisters in Christ. Even if i didn't feel like i could ask them for prayers and strength, like i would any friend, i still would venerate them and want to study their lives because i get to see such incredible examples of faith and service and love of Jesus.
When i fail or have denied Christ i want to think of Saint Peter and how he trusted in Gods mercy after that failure. It gives me so much hope to see how saints have failed and then continued to strive for the perfection Jesus asks us to strive for. I have a thousand examples of times I've considered great saints examples to help me get through something.
But why then engage in an act of worship to a "friend"? This is idolatry.
@@edf18 It is NOT worship!!!! 🤦♀️ We are sitting here telling y’all what we do and do not believe and y’all refuse to hear the truth! That is on y’all. “Harden not your hearts.” We know what idolatry is, we too, are against it, what we are doing by asking for intercessory prayers is NOT idolatry. This is something that we will agree to disagree on.
@@salberthal88 so prayer isn't a form of worship??
Correct
No it’s not worship for original Christians like Catholics and Orthodox is called sacrifice in the Holy Mass or the great feast prayer is talking
I never knew the. meaning of expository preaching before
Doubt your doubts. That’s so good!
Great episode. Many great topics discussed.
Brilliant young man. Beaming with love for all.
Concerning the last topic praying to saints: no one in the Bile ever prayed to "saints" or brethren that have died. No one prayed to Moses, Joseph. Noah etc....Jesus never prayed to anyone but His Father.
Mary never prayed to anyone but God.
For me: once systemic rape was proven in the RCC, the doors should have closed automatically.
God bless the brethren Maranatha 🙌
Jesus said " I am the way, the Truth and the Life." Jn 14:6
What did He mean? This : The Only Way to Heaven is theough Jesus Christ , He alone is the Judge of every man woman and child : He is the God/ Man.
He is the source of ALL TRUTH.
In Him is Life. He gives Life and every breath to human beings. Jesus Christ sustains ALL life systems in our universe. That is what He means.
Jesus said : " Come to Me...all you who are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"
Jesus taught us HOW to pray : " Our Father....in Jesus' Name"
He said to Phillip : ' if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father" maybe He looked at His sundial then asked " How long have you been with Me?"😊
Every Catholic believes and affirms this
No one would disagree with this, of course Christ is at the center or everything. But Paul says "... which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth". He says the church is the pillar and ground of truth, yet we shouldn't follow a physical church and it's traditions?
@@apologists St.Paul would vehemently disagree with this wonky Pope. "And be not Conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind ( the Word of God) so that you may prove what is the good, acceptable and Perfect will of God." Romans 12:2. Also "see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the traditions of men, according to elementary principles of the world RATHER THAN according to Christ." Colossians 2:8
The Full Counsel of the Word of God is profitable for Doctrine. St.Peter clearly said " Guard your doctrine for out of it flow the issues of Life."
So, Central to the Anathema ABIDING on the Roman 'catholic' Church is their Eucharistic Theology.
Their doctrine of trans-substantiation is an Egregious abomination to the One True God.
That the voluntary substitutionary Penal Atonement of Christ, the Lamb of God, wasn't enough to SATISFY the justice of God?!? That A-nyone would subsequently ADD to thT Sacrifice of the Theanthropos?!? Is clearly a disregard to the Resurrection of Christ.
The Resurrection of Christ Jesus is the RECEIPT, that the Divine Court of Justice was SATISFIED with His Blood payment for sins ...on behalf of All those who Truly Believe by Faith in Christ Alone. God the Father was Satisfied.
St Paul wrote clearly : " Being justified as a gift by His Grace through the Redemption which is in Christ Jesus (25) Whom God displayed publically as a PROPITIATION, in His Blood through Faith.
This was to demonstrate the Righteousness of God at the present time because in the forbearance of God, He overlooked the sins previously committed" Romans 3:24-26
Oh boy. I've been a Relateagal through 'n through since 2018 and will continue to be, but I'm gonna pass on this one. I grew up as a Protestant pastor's kid and converted to Catholicism in 2022; the misconceptions are exhausting.
I don’t know why I torture myself. I’m a preachers kid who converted!
What’s a Relateagal?
@debras3806 a girl who listens to relatable… like a fan
That's your issue. You're making a judgment based on your experience . The church is filled with greedy and hypocritical pastors. But if that's just one example, the Pope, literally sits on gold while many are starving around the world.
Very important reminder to know your theology. Know why you believe what you believe.
Love what he said about doubt, that's deep thought there. God was so gracious even to the ones who doubt. He is patient and longs for us to come to him. Thomas doubted he had risen and he didn't hesitate to come and really show him. I can't imagine how Thomas must have felt after that. Many of us doubt more as adults than as children. That's probably why it's important for children to know Jesus when they are little. Children believe easily with trust when they have a great relationship already with their parents and siblings. Jesus also said that we are to come to him like that of a child. Children are vulnerable and dependent on their parents.