Genghis Kahn It wasn’t about dumbledore dying. It was that the mission was almost certainly suicidal. He sent a child to kill the single greatest wizard of the century. He would either succeed and become a murder or fail and doom the whole family.
@@genghiskahn1989 Because basically this is what happened. "Hey Luscious I'm going to send your untrained teenage son. Into the ring with Mike Tyson to fight him. Your cool with that right Lucy?". I'd betray the guy to if he sent my son to his certain demise.
Na, I don’t buy that. The guy joined for power and superiority that money could not buy. Once he failed to get the prophecy, handed over the diary, and then his only son it became clear that he would only be treated as a servant and never rise again. He was outed at the ministry which is where his greatest influence was so he was no longer useful. He left not out of love but because there was nothing to gain by staying.
Voldemort underestimated Narcissa. I think if this story came out differently, Narcissa would fight to the death before she allowed Voldemort to kill her child.
I don’t think that she would’ve fought to the death. To me, Narcissa seems more like someone who works “undercover” in order to get her way by putting on the face of a people-pleaser and pushing her incentives underneath the surface.
I found it quite fitting that the two times Voldemort attempted to kill Harry directly, he failed due to a mothers love. Different mothers, and different sons, but the same effect.
@@Snoogen11 the only sad thing is, if it had been idk maybe Bellatrix's kid, this could have gone the exact opposite. I think its more of the character of the mother, over a mothers love. Im really not trying to ruin the poetic nature, my mind just goes not all mothers truly love their children and its a sad reality for most.
I think, Narcisa told Lucius, that she lied about Harry’s death. That the dark lord was unsuccessful to kill Harry in the Forbidden Forest. This might have made his belief strong that Harry was the one to kill Voldemort. Lucius made a calculative right decision, safe for his family .
3V VV That would make perfect sense for Narcissa to do that, but IMHO Lucius’ motives for changing allegiances went much deeper than just seeing Harry as the one destined to kill Voldemort. Notice how, in Lucius’ last pre-defection scene, he first begs Voldemort to let him find Draco and get him out of the war zone, then when that doesn’t work, he tries to manipulate Voldemort into calling off the attack on Hogwarts. The latter implies that Lucius’ loyalty to Voldemort was already on shaky ground even prior to Narcissa’s lie, showing at the very least that Lucius is less willing to be completely submissive to Voldemort while Draco’s life is on the line. It was still a very calculated choice on the Malfoys’ part, but it was partly because they sensed Voldemort’s time was up as you mentioned, and partly because they realized that, regardless of whether or not Voldemort won, there was nothing left for them on Voldemort’s side except for more suffering, more humiliation, and the very real possibility of torture and/or death for them all. Not only that, but notice how the Malfoys *NEVER* take sides against each other in any given conflict throughout the series. When Lucius first aligned with Voldemort and became a Death Eater, Narcissa and Draco came to support the cause as well, even if only from the sidelines. When Voldemort fell the first time and Lucius built up the image of a respectable wizard under the Imperius Curse to avoid punishment, Narcissa and Draco each followed suit in maintaining the respectable façade (even if a then-preteen Draco sometimes talked too much about pure blood supremacy for his own good despite Lucius warning him not to). When Lucius suffered a massive fall from grace on both sides of the war, Narcissa and Draco each started to waver in their support for the Death Eaters but weren’t quite willing to defect from them yet, becoming more or less neutral by the end of Half-Blood Prince. When Narcissa finally had enough and lied to Voldemort about Harry being dead, the entire Malfoy family defected from Voldemort soon afterward, with Lucius even going as far as to help the Ministry round up all of Voldemort’s remaining followers after they went into hiding. And even when Lucius and Narcissa were disappointed with the more accepting blood purity views of Draco’s chosen wife Astoria and Lucius argued with Draco over the latter preferring to end the Malfoy bloodline rather than risk Astoria’s health, by all accounts they still loved and cared for Draco all the same, and that coupled with the fact that most other pureblood families would disown their members for such a marriage (e.g. Cedrella Black following her marriage to Septimus Weasley) speaks volumes. *TL;DR: I agree completely, but you could argue that Lucius’ motives for defecting run even deeper than that.*
I agree that he left for Narcissa and their son but I don't think she told him, I like to belive he understood she was lying about Harry's death because he knew her...also, if she told him and someone heard it would have been real dangerous
I wonder if Lucius knew about Draco's mission while he was in Azkaban. Waiting a year for the eventual death of his son. This would make anyone mentally ill.
Nope... Azkaban prisoners are not allowed any sort of contact with the outside. In or out. This means; no visitors, no letters, no books, no creative supplies, and absolutely no health care or dental attention as Dementors are the main facilitators of Azkaban. Besides the occasional Wizengamot Inspector (which Dumbledore says were too horrified to ever speak about the conditions or make any reports) the sole exception is Barty Crouch Jr. And that was only b/c his father was the Minister of Magic at that time, and his mother was dying. The saddest part about the series is that if Sirius could write to Harry and explained what happened he would probably still be alive. 😿
@@spiwolf6998 honestly crouch family is fucked up in the head, crouch jr mother replace his son position in azkaban by using polyjuice and his father use imperius curse on his son
Technically he didn’t betray the Dark Lord since he was never actually loyal to anyone whose surname was not Malfoy. Lucius and Narcissa were self-serving opportunists who did what was best for them and Draco, and Voldemort was on his way out. Lucius would have preferred Voldemort come out on top for ideological reasons, but his attachment to principles was slippery at best, and he never truly cared enough to pledge himself in the same was as his sister-in-law.
I felt like Lucius wanted the best for his family (not evil), so he took advantage of the dark side to stay safe and when Voldemort was killed he would just leave.
Eeeeh he was pure blood supremacist bo doubt about it. He wasn’t Wormtail, he gladly joined up because of his beliefs not his fears. Of course when things went south the first time he claimed he did so unwillingly. The second time he was more than happy to get the band back together. But when he lost his master’s favor and his family was threatened he swallowed the bitter pill and betrayed him for the sake of his family.
I think he would of killed just draco because however it would of satisfied him to kill them all i believe he would of only killed draco because he means everything to Lucius and Narcissa watching there son die would of killed there soul and torture them knowing they’ll never see him again never see him grow old never see him marry or have kids. It would of killed them but they were still alive
@@gankz-md5ulHarry was the master of the elder wand by time he met Voldemort in the end battle. He disarmed Malfoy in the Malfoy Manor and Malfoys wand switched alliances to Harry and so did the Elder wand because its master had been defeated in a dual. This is why the avada curse didn't work on Harry, Voldemort was using a wand that belonged to Harry and it couldn't hurt him. If Voldemort had used his own wand, Harry would have died. Harry told Voldemort that the wand belonged to him but Voldemort didn't understand the implications of wand ownership...hence the reason he killed Snape instead of just disarming him, which would have worked if Snape was actually the owner of the elder wand.
I mean AvadaKedavra is supposed to be equivalent of getting shot it the head. If I personally saw someone get shot in the head as a baby and the shooter died, and then he gets shot in the head again, the shooter faints and he still doesn't die, I would run for my life.
In the Malfoys eyes, Potter had risen to an incomprehensible god-level when Narcissa realized he was alive after another Avada Kedavra from the dark lord. They hit that calm and collected "aight, Ima headout"
I'm still disappointed that Tom broke his wand handle. It's odd that I don't find others who feel the same, but to me, Lucius's wand was absolutely epic looking. I personally loved the look with the snake handle and feel that would of been a suitable looking wand for an evil lord like Voldemort. Yet he looks at it in the movie like: "Dafuq is this shit..."
Lucius Malfoy was like Jafar to me with that snake head on the wand, but Voldemort probably believed that Lucius was no longer worthy of being a Slytherin after his failure at the Department of Mysteries and stripped the serpent's head off of his wand for total humiliation
Absolutely! Not to mention the fact that Voldemort's wand had a stylistic hook at the base of his wand, rather similar in general shape to Lucius's snake handle attached to his wand
The books are much much more enjoyable. My only snag is that after the nice lengthy fifth book the sixth book is considerably shorter and that depresses me because its a really good book but not as rich as the fifth book even though it could've been.
they did i have a fire stick and i watch all the harry potter movies for free and there’s sooo many links and there’s this one link with the parts that were cut out of the movie and they actually leave it in the movie and it shows a lot more of the malfoy a.
Trisha Paraiso I agree so much. Let’s be honest, his character development was amazing, but overall he’s pretty terrible. Almost got Buckbeak executed, Sabotaged a Quidditch game, bullies other students, etc.
Trisha Paraiso You’re not wrong. Jason Isaacs has mentioned in interviews that his main reason for portraying Lucius as more of a “bully” toward Draco in the movies (even though not one of the resulting “bully” moments were in the original books, but I digress) was to try to garner some more sympathy for Draco.
Just BS headcanons from over dramatic fanfics. In reality it seems like the malfoy were a loving family. To eachother, not those they considered lesser lol.
Voldemorts fault was that he thought fear would bring loyalty. He was not right. I think he had only a few people that were loyal to him because they liked him. For the most part it was fear that keeped most of his deatheaters loyal and that is not a strong thing to keep the loyalty of your Followers
How come Voldy was astute enough to recognize that Wormtail came back out of fear rather than loyalty, but it didn't occur to him that you can only abuse someone so much before they turn on you and lash out? Was he hoping for some kind of Stockholm syndrome? For such a smart person he sure doesn't seem to grasp the principle "never put someone in a position where they have nothing to lose, that's when they're at their most dangerous".
"Lucius chose to protect himself and his wife's and his son's interests by betraying Voldemort but make no mistake about it; he'd have been there till the very end had he had a more prominent position" Very astute analysis and it confirms the old saying that; "A tiger cannot change its spots". Lucius underlying nature of hatred towards half born and muggles would always be there. Important to remember in these times when many will double down in outrageous statements, actions and behaviors only to later claim they didn't mean it or they were misunderstood.
Very true. I think Lucius is one of the most stagnant (non-evolving) characters in the cannon. Let’s pretend that the Cursed Child is part of the cannon. The fact that Lucius would not give permission for Draco to marry Astoria and calls her a “muggle lover” even though she’s from the Slytherin house shows exactly how much of a pureblood radical Lucius really is.
For some strange reason, Lucius has always been one of my favourite characters. It must have been his perfect anime prince/warrior looks at first (you know, fancy robes, soft voice, delicate features and long fair hair). But it was after his fall from grace that I started to really sympathise with him. He was a cowardly jerk alright, but you can't help feeling sorry for him and his family which he undoubtedly loved, though he was not good at showing it.
Feelin exactly the same. I mean, he was gorgeous before the war but it's the broken-after-Azkaban Lucius that I truly love and sympathize with. I am not sure than any character besides him has gone through such a change, a fact that makes him the most interesting of all the other characters.
I think it's reallys strange that people always say Lucius should have gone to Askaban, but think it was okay for Draco to walk away. Draco too was a member of a terroristic organisation and he is guilty of several attempted murders (which are in many countries punished as commited murders) and used unforgivable curses. A good judicial system really shouldn't let people go because they had a very convenient change of heart, espiacially with so severe crimes. But to be fair, the whole judicial system in the wizarding world and the way they wage war sucks, so this is only something pretty minor.
@dr103 Yes he did. There is no prove that he was forced to join, at least no that would hold in court, but much that he was a Deatheater. And the two first times he tried to kill Dumbledore, he nearly killed Ron and this girl, and he used the Imperius curse in the process. That's more than enaugh to put him away for life.
@dr103 This would maybe count as an excuse, if his parents were some hostages or victims, but they were not. They joint the Deatheaters voluntarily. And Draco himself was in no immediate danger, as soon as he arrived in Hogwarts. Having a family in danger doesn't give anybody the right to break laws as they see it fit. Maybe to destroy property or hurt or kill the people immediately threatening himself or his family, but murdering people certainly not. It wasn't even like he was still needed in the story, Rowling just extended his moral redemption to a legal redemption.
@@timmerk7363 malfoys were Rich they didn’t have to break laws but Voldemort was evil he didn’t really care so he used their place for Lucius failures also Voldemort did kind of force them remember he was one of the powerful wizards ever they had to be loyal or die
@@madihaishere Cats with 3 colors that don't include white are called tortoise shell in color. It's usually "tortie" for short. Calicos (3 colors, usu. white, black and orange) and torties are typically female, as the males have an XXY chromosome versus XX or XY. The tortie (and even calicos) are known for a certain attitude or cattitude or tortitude. Hence the use of Voldetort.
Simple. Voldemort was losing. He twice used AVADA KADAVARA on Harry Potter and twice failed to kill him. After the first time, there was a tremendous anti-Death Eater push, and the Malfoys barely got out of it. Now Harry Potter survived the killing curse again. Not hard to see where it would end up.
Lucius was MVP. He did everything in his power to fail miserably . Left voldy for dead, destroyed horcrux, ruined the prophecy, revealed the return, got all death eaters arrested , and finally ditching him in final battle. No wonder voldemort lost
Yeah, the malfoys were snobs but not necessarily pure evil. I personally think Bellatrix was insane, and in a modern court may actually be deemed insane and sent to an asylum instead. I think a book written from her perspective would be quite fascinating.
@Mac Welch You stated: "... this family (The Malfoys) secretly didn't want to be evil." What complete and utter tosh! The Malfoys are the epitome of wealth and class gone bad. As a family, they lost their moral centre generations ago: the lust for obscene levels of wealth combined with a fanatical devotion to achieving unfettered power over others, giving no thought for the consequences nor empathy for their victims, marks them as truly evil. 'By their fruits ye shall know them...'
I mean, he really didn't betray Voldemort? He just saved his own skin and that came at the price of his idol but he didn't betray Voldemort's ideals or anything 🤷♀️
He kinda did betray Voldemort even if not in the most opened way. If I was to act like a death eater should he would have fought untile the death to "protect" Voldemort, but he did not, he left
I think the reason is much simpler. Rich people generally don't participate in revolutions. They have very little to gain, and a lot to lose. The Malfoy family was already independently wealthy, with a great deal of influence in the Ministry and in wizarding society as a whole. Why would Lucius want a new dark lord to overthrow the society that he was already at the top of? He joined at first for ideological reasons - he believed in pureblood supremacy. But he had no interest in restructuring wizard society.
I think Voldemort wasn't just punishing Lucius for his failure at the Department of Mysteries or for his unwillingness to find him. I'm sure that his wrath stems from the fact that Lucius had sacrificed one of his horcruxes, caused it to be destroyed and alerting Dumbledore of their existence. He couldn't however punish Lucius too directly for it as it would seem a bit disproportional, so in a way he punished Lucius by having the son clean up the mess of the father by assassinating Dumbledore before the latter could draw too many conclusions and start trying to destroy the rest of the horcruxes. The further humiliations feels more like a reminder to Lucius that he has lost his position as favorite and will have to work his way up again, in the coming years. As I believe that given enough time, Voldemorts treatment of Lucius would improve again if it wasn't for the disappearance and destruction of more of his horcruxes. That put Voldemort too much on edge and he probably blamed Lucius for most of it. I'm also pretty sure that Lucius never really comprehended why Voldemort was so angry at him for the destruction of the diary, though he must have known it was more important than his master had led on. However, the anger of his master, his outbursts (at one point, he killed everyone in his vicinity for knowing the Hufflepuff cup was stolen) and his never-ending obsession with Harry Potter can't have inspired much confidence in Lucius about the mental state of his master. I think Lucius was one and possibly the only one, who realized that Voldemort's armor started to show cracks and he was the first too fully realize just what kind of a paranoid monster was learning beneath the shell of the dark wizard. How long till his master grew paranoid and decided to prune his own ranks of those who might be a threat to his rule and stand in his way. And with his fall from favor, there wasn't much for him to be happy about in servicing Voldemort. With feelings of fear dominating his feelings towards Voldemort, it is easy to see why he turned his back on the Dark Lord when it became clear that he was losing it.
@Gmail com Oh, I know he didn't realize that Dumbledore had started hunting down his horcruxes, let alone destroy them but the mere thought that Dumbledore might suspect Voldemort had created horcruxes, must have terrified the Dark Lord. And what Dumbledore had, was far worse. He had evidence, it wasn't just suspicion any more. And while Voldemort was sure that Dumbledore couldn't acted yet on this information and confident that even if he tried, it would have taken him ages to find them, I do think that it made Dumbledore a priority target. It also lines up pretty well timeline wise: Voldemort learned from Lucius that the diary was destroyed and mere weeks later, he assigned Draco the task of killing the Hogwarts Headmaster. And from the books, I did get the feeling it at least has crossed his mind when he heard what happened to his diary. There is a line in the seventh book where he is trying to reassure himself that his horcruxes are fine and that he didn't feel the Diary's destruction because he didn't have a body but if something had happened to the others since his return, he would have felt it (he didn't). I believe this was after he learnt they had broken into Gringotts. Seeing how quick, almost natural the thought came to him, I would think it odd, this would have been the first time he considered this, based on the circumstances.
@Gmail com Fair point but has Voldemort ever outright mentioned to himself that he feared death? He wanted to defeat it, overcome this weakness but he never described it as a fear either, not even in his most private thoughts. Yet, we know that he was afraid of it. So it not being outright mentioned, doesn't mean he never, no matter how brief, considered it before immediately dismissing it. He might have been arrogant enough to believe that nobody knew that he had multiple horcruxes but knew Dumbledore knew of at least one and he would be stupid to assume that he didn't consider it possible that Dumbledore, if given enough time to linger on it, would discover it was part of more. He assumed nobody knew they existed, not that nobody ever would be able to figure out they existed (which would be ridiculous to not consider at least once, especially if part of the secret has passed through the hands of someone who never trusted you). After all, he also considered the possibility that his diary wasn't the only horcrux destroyed already before dismissing it and this was something he considered before the cup was stolen and probably when he learnt the diary was destroyed. And I think this was why he wanted Dumbledore dead so desperately. He knew that he would have to act quickly and his surprise can be explained by the safe assumption that Voldemort was convinced that Dumbledore couldn't have figured things out that quickly. He was convinced he neutralized Dumbledore before he discovered too much and was surprised and shocked to learn that Dumbledore might not only have known enough but also shared this knowledge with his greatest enemy. Wouldn't you be surprised if a problem you though you had taken care of, returning?
@@AaronBlake-in3wk Snape has implied that if Draco failed his task, Voldemort would turn to Snape to eliminate Dumbledore. That was always the real plan, I believe. But he did want to use Draco to make an example out of the Malfoys about failing him. Draco would get the first attempt and in the likely event that he failed, Snape would be able to strike in the aftermath of Draco's failure, when everyone was distracted by the circumstances. Going by the fact that when Snape vowed loyality to Dumbledore, he feared for his life and begged to not be killed, I would say that during the "First Wizarding War of Great Brittain", Voldemort already had several assassins killed by Dumbledore. So he knew that the headmaster wasn't an easy target, still the situation was now more urgent than ever.
The Malfoy's saved Harry in a way, Draco didn't give Harry in at Malfoy Manor, and Narcissa lied that Harry was dead in the forest... they ain't evil... Voldemort is... plus Voldemort had no chance whatsoever, considering how many people were on Harry's side
Because Lucius was never evil or even a cruel person. He's an asshole, a racist, an opportunist, and definitely an antagonist/anti-hero... but nor he or his wife and son were ever evil. In my opinion, they are morally ambiguous, leaning more towards the dark side. Their saving grace is that they love each other. I truly believe that if someone raised their wand to kill or harm Draco or Narcissa, Lucius would step in and take the hit.
Lucius is a classic example of the fact that we the way we are because of how we are raised. And for a while, we also saw this in Draco, until HBP when it opened the eyes of both Lucius and Draco.
He literally supported the wizarding world’s equivalent of Hitler. He also taught his son to hate based on race. That’s pretty evil. Monsters also feel motivated to protect their familial legacy.
@@chateausteel1885 Except that he never FULLY supported Wizard Hitler. I think he, like many other purebloods, initially liked what younger Voldemort had to offer to the pureblood community, but wasn't actually down with many of the evil deeds Voldemort would do or encourage. If he were an evil person, he'd rejoice in Voldemort taking over his house, holding kids prisoners in the dungeons, and killing people left and right.. but if anything, he became a shell of the man he was in the beginning of the series. Like I said, Lucius is an asshole and an opportunist - A bad person, even.. but he's not an evil person.There is a difference.
Lucius fully supported Voldemort and his ideals, but valued his family and his own safety a bit more. They were the only thing that would’ve caused him to betray Voldemort. Narcissa on the other hand was more morally ambiguous as she never joined the death eaters and although she was a pure blood supremacist she never had any interest in exterminating muggles or muggle borns, just regarded herself as superior. She was 100% only in that situation due to her husband and later son, and she took the first opportunity she had to betray him to protect her family. Likewise Draco was a product of his father with regard to ideology but only became a death eater as he was forced to as a way of punishing Lucius, and he also changed sides quickly and didn’t particularly like being there in the first place. Draco and Narcissa are the two more redeeming qualities of their family, but Lucius was just evil, a supremacist and a nasty person who got on the wrong end of Voldemort’s temper and decided to save his own skin
It's always about Lucius---Narcissa is the true MVP--lying to Voldemort's face is a bold move. Don't get me wrong Lucius is a coward--a coward who put his family above all else, but a coward nonetheless.
Draco is lucky to have parents who would betray the dark lord for him. I think he and narcissa were just waiting for the right moment, and that moment was when they knew harry was not killed.
Anyone ever wonder why Voldemort had Lucius released from Azkaban but not Barty Crouch Jr? The man who actually was successful in his task to bring Voldemort back to his full power
I know i might be alone in this but Lucius Malfoy is my favorite character, I know he's not extremely powerful and that he's a death eater but I always liked the fact that he and narcissa cared about their family and in the end he saw the truth about the cause he was fighting for and betrayed voldemort to save his life and his family... He made some great mistakes, but he saved his family and didn't actually killed anyone... I believe that in the end he was a good man who had stumbled on the wrong way
Great video! Please post more videos with the Malfoys😍. I agree with you, Lucius betrayed Voldemort and Voldemort deserved that given the way he treated the Malfoys starting the final of the 5th book. In my opinion, Lucius became a death eater at a young age, wanting to gain power and promote the pureblood doctrine and he didn't understand at that time what being a Death Eater implies. You can never quit this job. I believe that in the second wizarding war, he regreted being a Death Eater. But we have to admit that it was Narcissa who made the perfect move and revenged her family when she lied Voldemort.😎
Exactly. Look at Regulus Black. He became a Death Eater at a young age and realized shortly what Voldemort really was. Regulus committed suicide to help cripple Voldemort. Sucks to be smart and a Death Eater.
It's interesting to see some of the internal politics among the Death Eaters. Voldemort was clearly after an excuse to kill Lucius that the other Death Eaters would accept. It shows that his hold on them was more fragile than it seems at first glance. Lucius was a man of such great wealth and status that they all looked up to. If Voldemort just killed him for what was, in their eyes, not a justifiable reason, then they would know that anyone could be next. They would start to see Voldemort as a madman who rewarded his most loyal servants with torture and death. And given the symbolic significance of the Malfoy family, Voldemort betraying them would be seen as Voldemort betraying his own cause of pure blood supremacy. This combined with Voldemort himself being a half blood - something that the Death Eaters who knew this uncomfortably swept under the rug - might have been enough to fracture the loyalty of the Death Eaters. Now that I think of it, Lucius was actually a potential rival to Voldemort's power in terms of influence.
Great comment! I’d been wondering why Voldemort bothered to keep Lucius around when he clearly resented him. Voldemort being worried about the loyalty of his other followers would make sense for his character. Like you said, in many ways Lucius was a more perfect symbol for the Death Eater ideology than Voldemort himself. It also shows how paranoid and insecure Voldemort was after his resurrection. I imagine the Death Eaters probably noticed he was more unhinged than last time. I wish we had gotten a few more scenes of the Death Eaters’ internal politics. Would have been fun to get some juicy Death Eater gossip lol
Voldemort threatened his wife and son while he was in Azkaban, hopeless. Voldemort even manipulated a naive, sixteen years old Draco Malfoy to be a Death Eater and instructed him to kill the greatest wizard that has ever lived. Not to mention, his home was turned into a place where Voldemort killed and tortured people. Lucius may be a bad man but unlike Voldemort, he knows love. His family is more important than his ambition to kill muggles. So it would make sense why he would betray him the moment he had the chance.
I think it really began when Voldemort treated Lucius like an NPC. Taking his wand and humiliating him in front of his family. Lucius wasn't a good guy anyway, but after Azkaban and Voldemort's treatment he decided to turn away.
The Malfoys are amongst my top favorite characters of all time in the Harry Potter franchise. I don't think Lucius Malfoy was a bad person. I mean, on the outside, he was, but deep down he was a good person. I think he wanted to abandon Lord Voldemort the moment Draco Malfoy was assigned to assassinate Albus Dumbledore. He cared about his family too much to care about Lord Voldemort. Speaking of Lucius' family, Narcissa was - in my opinion - the dark version of Lily Potter, who later turned noble. It is not a small thing to lie to Lord Voldemort about his nemesis' death, and Narcissa did that perfectly. Had she not lied to Lord Voldemort, the Wizarding World would have been completely destroyed. So, she was one of the few to _actually_ save the Wizarding World. And finally, Draco was _forced_ by Lord Voldemort to do evil things, it wasn't his choice, and ultimately, like his parents, he turned to the good side. That's why the Malfoys are amongst my top favorite characters of all time in the Harry Potter franchise.
Death Eaters came in three varieties. Useful idiots who believed in and followed Voldemort. Petty Tyrants who knew Death Eating was their best option for power over others. Mini Voldemort's who planned to take over from Voldemort.
I don’t think Lucius Malfoy really believed in Voldemort’s cause and he definitely didn’t like the way Voldemort’s way of ridding the world of muggles, he just wanted to protect his family and at the time when he joined Voldemort he was joining the side that had the most power and who he believed could protect his either pregnant wife or his baby son and his wife whom he loved very much. Also Bellatrix is the last person who would ever betray Voldemort because she actually believes in his cause and is a blood lust maniac. I also don’t believe that Voldemort is to blame for his actions. Think about it logically. Voldemort did what he did because he has no moral compass. He has no moral compass because he is a sociopath. He is a sociopath because he was conceived while his father was on a love potion which makes it impossible for him to feel emotion. When it serves his cause to be mad or upset in anyway he did but he can’t naturally feel emotion. He also is a sociopath partly because he didn’t have anyone to raise him. His dad abandoned him and his mum is dead. Therefore it is not his fault. Logic
I doubt that Harry would do that. He was bullied by his cousin and his friends so he knew what it's like to be in the weakest spot. That made him stick with Ron and he liked him. Draco was his 'enemy'. His father was a Death Eater. Even if they did become friends, I doubt it would have been genuine as Draco would have told his father everything. He would have betrayed Harry. At that time, his family status was prestigious. In Malfoy Manor, he didn't reveal Harry's identity because his family lost that status. His family was greatly humiliated after the Department of Mysteries Battle. Draco went through terrible time in his 6th year. He had a big mouth but he wasn't a murderer.
I love Lucius he is my ultimate favorite character of HP world. As a child when I read the books I disliked him but I grown up with the books so when I was reading the last book I realized he is a complex character. After 20 years he became my favorite after I read again the books. In the movies he is much more evil; e.g. in the book version of chamber of secret he is so funny for me, specially when he started a fight with Arthur Weasley in the bookshop.
I always liked Lucious. He was my favorite death eater. Snape doesn't count as he was actually playing for the other side. But Lucious was the perfect death eater up until his disgrace. Loyal, bigoted, Scotty, and unlike Bella completely sane. But, he like so many other characters proved why Riddle's inability to connect with emotion, his lack of understanding of love and family, was in the end his undoing. Lucious did indeed love his wife and son though his position forced him to never show it as that was considered weakness in Tom's eyes. A part of me wondered if it truly was the love potion that kept him from understanding or if it was because he was raised in an orphanage with no one giving him love and affection that truly caused his emotional disconnect.
It wouldn't go well for the wizards. The last time wizards and muggles were in conflict was in the 1600s, when things got so bad for the wizarding world that they passed the International Statute of Secrecy. They opted to hide from muggles instead of continue to face persecution from muggles. It would be a lot worse today with muggles having modern weaponry that most wizards probably don't understand. Also, the wizarding world wouldn't be unified in a war against muggles. Muggle-borns, a lot of half-bloods, and pro-muggle purebloods like the Weasleys would probably support the muggles in a war against the wizard army which would basically be made up of Death Eaters and other pureblood supremacists
@fat cow The Statute of Secrecy was designed to protect wizards from muggles, not the other way around. The wizarding world faced persecution by muggles, with many tried and executed for witchcraft. JK Rowling tied the story in with real history, using the real witch hunts of the age, like the Salem Witch Trials, as the basis for wizards going into hiding. We also haven't gotten to the main issue at hand, and that's population. The wizarding population is far too small to wage war against the vastly larger muggle population. It's the reason that muggles were able to persecute wizards before, and it's still the reason why wizards can't overcome muggles in the modern age.
The one thing I always wished was in the movie was when snape duels the other house heads 3v1. Such a missed opportunity to allow severus to show his skills.
I kind of always thought the malfoys left because they finally realized it wasn’t worth it that being at the reserving end of Voldemort’s wrath snapped some sense into them
Lucius was loyal to the cause and not so much Voldemort. During the first Wizarding War Lucius was his right hand man and was Voldemort best General but after Voldemort supposedly died, Lucius didn't want to find him again. It all began the moment that Lucius gave Ginny the horcrux from there lucius's standing started to go down. His best man and he never went to Azkaban for him and I think most importantly Lucius made a story about how he was being controlled so he wouldn't face the consequences of his actions. That to me showed Voldemort that Lucius was not loyal to him
I see Lucius as a huge coward and opportunist. Once he saw the tables turn and power shift, he changed alliances. He's an awful character and the most unforgivable in his family. Narcissa always did what was best for her son even when she defied Voldemort till the very end. His wife had more courage and backbone than he ever did. Even Draco turned out to not be a horrible guy. Draco's decisions actually helped Harry on numerous occasions.
Lucius was a coward, just like Peter, but unlike Peter he was obsessed with purebloods.🙄He would follow anyone who would help him establish purebloods over halfbloods and muggle borns.
The biggest question I had in the series is Why didnt James and Lily apparate when voldermort came to godricks hollow ? It takes only seconds to apparate so why didnt they? They could have gone near Dumbledore right ?
No only Lucius Malfoy betrayed Voldemort so did Severus Snape who was also a Death eater turns spy For Albus Dumbledore so not only that I believe that is also his betrayal to so do you believe that snake died been bitten by a snake that is not venomous known as. Nagini who happens to be not venomous which happens to be a woman in disguise of a snake do you believe that he is up to you so alive or what would your opinion on this?
I disagree with some of your points. Firstly, Lucius is not the pure blood fanatic that fandom presents. Pottermore confirms that the Malfoy family has half-bloods in its family tree and although Lucius could use the arguement that all four of his grandparents are pure blood/magical plus the whole sacred 28 thing (if someone like Bella presses the point), he knows that there are a few half-blood brides with muggle heritage in the family tree. He knows this. Draco probably doesn’t but Lucius does. His pure blood ideology is there (chamber of secrets arc being proof) but Lucius’s primary motivation is power. He wants world domination. No doubt he would have asked Voldemort if he could have been minister for magic if he had remained in favour. Lucius does not see himself as Lord Voldemort’s servant. He sees it as a partnership (Tom Riddle does not - he sees Lucius as his servant. His favourite pet Death Eater in fact). He is opportunistic and self-serving - Draco and Narcissa too. Tom’s most loyal are Bella and Barry Crouch Jnr who are emotionally invested in Tom. Lucius is not. I’m sure that if Dumbledore had given Lucius in OTTP an opportunity to both defect and a position of authority/ability to remain neutral (for Draco at least) in the Order’s revolutionised Ministry (that would be more muggle-born friendly) then no doubt Lucius would back it. Lucius wants power and the safety of his family. They are his two primary motivations.
I think that they also had to focus on the father love in the movie that is something I missed although it was al over the series as seen by Lupin and sirius who kind of took that role for James so that Harry would have a father figure and even Dumbledore did just that but the one who was the biggest was Lucius he did what people for his wife but mostly for his son he loved him more than enything I think it is a pity that it is in the last book but not in the movie they sud have shown that more in the film I the book you really see that he did what he did to save his son and make sure that he is save and lives
Lucius: Boss, we think we have Potter. Voldemort: Think? Go on. Lucius: We definitely have that Mudblood girl and the red headed stepchild. We can't tell if it's Potter because we can't recognize his face. Voldemort: Aren't those three always together? Lucius: What am I, their autobiographer? Voldemort: Careful, Lucius. I'm leaning toward renaming you "Meg" as it is. Is it Potter or not? Lucius: We don't know. Voldemort: Why must I surround myself with fricking idiots? Lucius: M'Lord? Voldemort: Shut up, Meg.
I think it is truly fucked up that Voldemort giving Draco the mission to kill Dumbledore was a lose-lose situation for Draco. Had he cowarded and failed, he would be punished by Voldemort by being tortured and most likely killed. Had he accomplished his mission, as the now (known by Voldemort) owner of the Elder Wand, he would be killed so Voldemort could become it's owner.
Somehow I don't really feel Lucius really betrayed Voldemort, at least not in action...IMO, Narcissa for sure did, and technically Draco did too when he pretended not to recognize Harry at Malfoy Manor. Also, he didn't leave before Voldemort died; when the fight went inside the mess hall, Lucius and Narcissa were there, but they were not even trying to fight they were just looking for Draco. And once the battle was over, the book says the 3 Malfoys were still there, looking as if they were unsure they were supposed to be there with everyone else
As the death eaters are flying away and running away when they realise Harry is still alive. I love hearing( I'm assuming) Bellatrix screaming COME BACK COME BACK AND FIGHT. I don't remember hearing it the first time I watched it
I would say it was because Voldemort was loosing strength and his position was getting weaker. Lucius couldn't gloat about his prestigious status within Death Eater ranks after Prophecy was destroyed. He certainly didn't do it because he saw that Voldemort does evil things. His rank was lower than it was in the First Wizarding War. He hated muggle borns and half bloods. His ideology was extremely harmful. He was scared for his family so he turned his back on Voldemort. Voldemort was unforgiving. I bet that he enjoyed humiliating Malfoys. Giving Draco that assignment, taking Manor and snapping Lucius's wand. He wanted Draco to befriend Harry as it would benefit his status. Draco didn't have to pretend his he didn't recognize Harry just like Narcissa didn't have to lie to Voldemort. But they did for each other. I believe that their actions redeemed them at this time Narcissa and Draco. Narcissa wanted her son to be safe. That's all she ever cared about. So protecting Harry allowed her to go to the Castle. Lucius knew that Voldemort was angry with him. Tom Riddle's diary got into Ginny Weasley's hands. Basilisk was dead. So Lucius did contribute to Voldemort's defeat he just didn't know it.
The interessting thing I always think about is that 90% off people who judge the Malfoys would actually act nearly the exact same as them if they where in their shoes xD
True just what I always say siting on your couch and judging others is easy. The best thing about Harry Potter books is it doesn't shows angels and devils, it shows humans each character with their own good and bad
Ok is it just me or does anyone else think that Lucius would make a great L'Oreal model 🤔😂
Because he's worth it?
@@slytheringingerwitch Yes
"Baby it's make belief" 🤣
i guess i’ll take that as a compliment-
Eleni Rafaela Gargou Well it’s normally what people do when they get married...
I think Lucius and his wife turned their backs against Voldemort in the moment he forced Draco to participate in the mission to kill Dumbledore.
Why would they care if Dumbledore is killed?
Genghis Kahn It wasn’t about dumbledore dying. It was that the mission was almost certainly suicidal. He sent a child to kill the single greatest wizard of the century. He would either succeed and become a murder or fail and doom the whole family.
@@genghiskahn1989 Because basically this is what happened. "Hey Luscious I'm going to send your untrained teenage son. Into the ring with Mike Tyson to fight him. Your cool with that right Lucy?". I'd betray the guy to if he sent my son to his certain demise.
@@michaelhowze8198 too
@@michaelhowze8198 lucius
In the end, Lucius truly cared about his family. He left Voldemort before he died which shows true loyalty to Draco and Narcissa.
Yes loyalty is the most important trate loyalty is the trate that is the trate of the bager loyalty is very important
wow Lucius had loyalty never new that mind blowing facts
Na, I don’t buy that. The guy joined for power and superiority that money could not buy. Once he failed to get the prophecy, handed over the diary, and then his only son it became clear that he would only be treated as a servant and never rise again. He was outed at the ministry which is where his greatest influence was so he was no longer useful. He left not out of love but because there was nothing to gain by staying.
He was merely a coward
Yes, agree w you. Family should always be on the 1st place.
Voldemort underestimated Narcissa. I think if this story came out differently, Narcissa would fight to the death before she allowed Voldemort to kill her child.
I don’t think that she would’ve fought to the death. To me, Narcissa seems more like someone who works “undercover” in order to get her way by putting on the face of a people-pleaser and pushing her incentives underneath the surface.
@@kristinbagani2811 i completely agree but i'm talking once the underhanded tactics didn't work, she would fight as best as she could
Agreep
Yeah all he thought of narcissa was Lucius's wife
She probably loves Draco so much that if Voldemort even thought of killing him, it could end like what happened with Lily Potter.
Narcissa betrayal was one of the most graceful one in the entire series.
Malfoys have redeemed by the only quality of love for their son Draco
I found it quite fitting that the two times Voldemort attempted to kill Harry directly, he failed due to a mothers love. Different mothers, and different sons, but the same effect.
You can't polish a turd and expect to sell it as an emerald.
@@Snoogen11 the only sad thing is, if it had been idk maybe Bellatrix's kid, this could have gone the exact opposite. I think its more of the character of the mother, over a mothers love. Im really not trying to ruin the poetic nature, my mind just goes not all mothers truly love their children and its a sad reality for most.
I wouldn't count Narcissa as a traitor per se. I don´t think she ever gave a flying f about Voldemort either way, or had any loyalty to break.
Hi
I think, Narcisa told Lucius, that she lied about Harry’s death. That the dark lord was unsuccessful to kill Harry in the Forbidden Forest.
This might have made his belief strong that Harry was the one to kill Voldemort.
Lucius made a calculative right decision, safe for his family .
3V VV That would make perfect sense for Narcissa to do that, but IMHO Lucius’ motives for changing allegiances went much deeper than just seeing Harry as the one destined to kill Voldemort. Notice how, in Lucius’ last pre-defection scene, he first begs Voldemort to let him find Draco and get him out of the war zone, then when that doesn’t work, he tries to manipulate Voldemort into calling off the attack on Hogwarts. The latter implies that Lucius’ loyalty to Voldemort was already on shaky ground even prior to Narcissa’s lie, showing at the very least that Lucius is less willing to be completely submissive to Voldemort while Draco’s life is on the line. It was still a very calculated choice on the Malfoys’ part, but it was partly because they sensed Voldemort’s time was up as you mentioned, and partly because they realized that, regardless of whether or not Voldemort won, there was nothing left for them on Voldemort’s side except for more suffering, more humiliation, and the very real possibility of torture and/or death for them all.
Not only that, but notice how the Malfoys *NEVER* take sides against each other in any given conflict throughout the series. When Lucius first aligned with Voldemort and became a Death Eater, Narcissa and Draco came to support the cause as well, even if only from the sidelines. When Voldemort fell the first time and Lucius built up the image of a respectable wizard under the Imperius Curse to avoid punishment, Narcissa and Draco each followed suit in maintaining the respectable façade (even if a then-preteen Draco sometimes talked too much about pure blood supremacy for his own good despite Lucius warning him not to). When Lucius suffered a massive fall from grace on both sides of the war, Narcissa and Draco each started to waver in their support for the Death Eaters but weren’t quite willing to defect from them yet, becoming more or less neutral by the end of Half-Blood Prince. When Narcissa finally had enough and lied to Voldemort about Harry being dead, the entire Malfoy family defected from Voldemort soon afterward, with Lucius even going as far as to help the Ministry round up all of Voldemort’s remaining followers after they went into hiding. And even when Lucius and Narcissa were disappointed with the more accepting blood purity views of Draco’s chosen wife Astoria and Lucius argued with Draco over the latter preferring to end the Malfoy bloodline rather than risk Astoria’s health, by all accounts they still loved and cared for Draco all the same, and that coupled with the fact that most other pureblood families would disown their members for such a marriage (e.g. Cedrella Black following her marriage to Septimus Weasley) speaks volumes.
*TL;DR: I agree completely, but you could argue that Lucius’ motives for defecting run even deeper than that.*
Madame Requiem I agree with you. 🙂
I agree that he left for Narcissa and their son but I don't think she told him, I like to belive he understood she was lying about Harry's death because he knew her...also, if she told him and someone heard it would have been real dangerous
I wonder if Lucius knew about Draco's mission while he was in Azkaban. Waiting a year for the eventual death of his son. This would make anyone mentally ill.
I would love to see a video on that
Yeah I'd like a video on that
Totaly
Nope... Azkaban prisoners are not allowed any sort of contact with the outside. In or out. This means; no visitors, no letters, no books, no creative supplies, and absolutely no health care or dental attention as Dementors are the main facilitators of Azkaban.
Besides the occasional Wizengamot Inspector (which Dumbledore says were too horrified to ever speak about the conditions or make any reports) the sole exception is Barty Crouch Jr. And that was only b/c his father was the Minister of Magic at that time, and his mother was dying. The saddest part about the series is that if Sirius could write to Harry and explained what happened he would probably still be alive. 😿
@@spiwolf6998 honestly crouch family is fucked up in the head, crouch jr mother replace his son position in azkaban by using polyjuice and his father use imperius curse on his son
Technically he didn’t betray the Dark Lord since he was never actually loyal to anyone whose surname was not Malfoy.
Lucius and Narcissa were self-serving opportunists who did what was best for them and Draco, and Voldemort was on his way out. Lucius would have preferred Voldemort come out on top for ideological reasons, but his attachment to principles was slippery at best, and he never truly cared enough to pledge himself in the same was as his sister-in-law.
Also he dint betray him he was forced 2 with everything going on
Exactly
Technically, he did betray him
I mean once Voldy found out he got the diary destroyed I’m pretty sure his days were numbered
Your name tho...
Why hasn’t someone called Lucius “Goldie Locks”?
I’d call him mop hair
Or ‘bow hair’
YES LMAOOO
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
His cellmate in Azkaban might've called him that.
I felt like Lucius wanted the best for his family (not evil), so he took advantage of the dark side to stay safe and when Voldemort was killed he would just leave.
Eeeeh he was pure blood supremacist bo doubt about it. He wasn’t Wormtail, he gladly joined up because of his beliefs not his fears. Of course when things went south the first time he claimed he did so unwillingly. The second time he was more than happy to get the band back together. But when he lost his master’s favor and his family was threatened he swallowed the bitter pill and betrayed him for the sake of his family.
Voldy would have killed the Malfoy's had he won the battle of Hogwarts
More like everyone not just him
Either way bc Harry told Voldemort that draco was the master of the elder wand
I think he would of killed just draco because however it would of satisfied him to kill them all i believe he would of only killed draco because he means everything to Lucius and Narcissa watching there son die would of killed there soul and torture them knowing they’ll never see him again never see him grow old never see him marry or have kids. It would of killed them but they were still alive
You dare nickname my lord
@@gankz-md5ulHarry was the master of the elder wand by time he met Voldemort in the end battle. He disarmed Malfoy in the Malfoy Manor and Malfoys wand switched alliances to Harry and so did the Elder wand because its master had been defeated in a dual. This is why the avada curse didn't work on Harry, Voldemort was using a wand that belonged to Harry and it couldn't hurt him.
If Voldemort had used his own wand, Harry would have died.
Harry told Voldemort that the wand belonged to him but Voldemort didn't understand the implications of wand ownership...hence the reason he killed Snape instead of just disarming him, which would have worked if Snape was actually the owner of the elder wand.
For one simple reason: Love for his family.
I mean AvadaKedavra is supposed to be equivalent of getting shot it the head.
If I personally saw someone get shot in the head as a baby and the shooter died, and then he gets shot in the head again, the shooter faints and he still doesn't die, I would run for my life.
I'd have nightmares for sure.
Me too if I was the target which I hope I won’t be if I ever get shot that is
man that is the most accurate description of the harry potter story i have ever seen
In the Malfoys eyes, Potter had risen to an incomprehensible god-level when Narcissa realized he was alive after another Avada Kedavra from the dark lord. They hit that calm and collected "aight, Ima headout"
I'm still disappointed that Tom broke his wand handle. It's odd that I don't find others who feel the same, but to me, Lucius's wand was absolutely epic looking. I personally loved the look with the snake handle and feel that would of been a suitable looking wand for an evil lord like Voldemort.
Yet he looks at it in the movie like:
"Dafuq is this shit..."
that part disappointed the shit outta me, but it wasn’t broken-the snake part comes off.
still. fuck Voldemort
That was the point of it to humiliate Lucius.
It was just the handle, dont worry im sure he got it fixed when he got his wand back or a new one!
Lucius Malfoy was like Jafar to me with that snake head on the wand, but Voldemort probably believed that Lucius was no longer worthy of being a Slytherin after his failure at the Department of Mysteries and stripped the serpent's head off of his wand for total humiliation
Absolutely! Not to mention the fact that Voldemort's wand had a stylistic hook at the base of his wand, rather similar in general shape to Lucius's snake handle attached to his wand
I wish the malfoys had more screen time
Also they cut down sooo much from draco's side there's an obvious difference between the books and the movies
That’s true about a lot of things.
The books are much much more enjoyable. My only snag is that after the nice lengthy fifth book the sixth book is considerably shorter and that depresses me because its a really good book but not as rich as the fifth book even though it could've been.
The stuff they cut out draco was his bullying......
they did i have a fire stick and i watch all the harry potter movies for free and there’s sooo many links and there’s this one link with the parts that were cut out of the movie and they actually leave it in the movie and it shows a lot more of the malfoy a.
Duh
I wish the fight seen between Lucius and Arthur Weasley was in the movies, that would’ve been epic to see them going at it.
When did they fight?
@@ssm1559 chamber of secrets book
I can imagine arthur fighting and opening his eyes and screaming at him😂😂😂
And some Draco stans still say that Lucius abused his son? He obviously cared for his family, although he doesn’t show it.
True, they probably use it as an excuse for Draco being a douchebag.
Trisha Paraiso I agree so much. Let’s be honest, his character development was amazing, but overall he’s pretty terrible. Almost got Buckbeak executed, Sabotaged a Quidditch game, bullies other students, etc.
i agree
Trisha Paraiso You’re not wrong. Jason Isaacs has mentioned in interviews that his main reason for portraying Lucius as more of a “bully” toward Draco in the movies (even though not one of the resulting “bully” moments were in the original books, but I digress) was to try to garner some more sympathy for Draco.
Just BS headcanons from over dramatic fanfics. In reality it seems like the malfoy were a loving family. To eachother, not those they considered lesser lol.
Also, Narcissa betrayed Voldemort by telling him Harry was dead in the forest.
Indeed, Tom. How's your life going on btw?
Hello Tom Riddle we meet again.
0:03
Voldemort- How can you live with yourself?
Lucius: Hair Products, M'lord..
Voldemorts fault was that he thought fear would bring loyalty. He was not right. I think he had only a few people that were loyal to him because they liked him. For the most part it was fear that keeped most of his deatheaters loyal and that is not a strong thing to keep the loyalty of your Followers
How come Voldy was astute enough to recognize that Wormtail came back out of fear rather than loyalty, but it didn't occur to him that you can only abuse someone so much before they turn on you and lash out? Was he hoping for some kind of Stockholm syndrome? For such a smart person he sure doesn't seem to grasp the principle "never put someone in a position where they have nothing to lose, that's when they're at their most dangerous".
The dark lord did call him his slippery friend, perhaps he sensed,he was on the fence
"Lucius chose to protect himself and his wife's and his son's interests by betraying Voldemort but make no mistake about it; he'd have been there till the very end had he had a more prominent position" Very astute analysis and it confirms the old saying that; "A tiger cannot change its spots". Lucius underlying nature of hatred towards half born and muggles would always be there. Important to remember in these times when many will double down in outrageous statements, actions and behaviors only to later claim they didn't mean it or they were misunderstood.
Tiger doesn’t have spots. Tiger has stripes ;)
@@miriam3848 don't acne shame tigers 😠
jakerockznoodles you made my day!
Very true. I think Lucius is one of the most stagnant (non-evolving) characters in the cannon. Let’s pretend that the Cursed Child is part of the cannon. The fact that Lucius would not give permission for Draco to marry Astoria and calls her a “muggle lover” even though she’s from the Slytherin house shows exactly how much of a pureblood radical Lucius really is.
Kristin Bagani lmao what does being in Slytherin have to do with being a Muggle lover?
For some strange reason, Lucius has always been one of my favourite characters.
It must have been his perfect anime prince/warrior looks at first (you know, fancy robes, soft voice, delicate features and long fair hair).
But it was after his fall from grace that I started to really sympathise with him. He was a cowardly jerk alright, but you can't help feeling sorry for him and his family which he undoubtedly loved, though he was not good at showing it.
Feelin exactly the same. I mean, he was gorgeous before the war but it's the broken-after-Azkaban Lucius that I truly love and sympathize with. I am not sure than any character besides him has gone through such a change, a fact that makes him the most interesting of all the other characters.
I think it's reallys strange that people always say Lucius should have gone to Askaban, but think it was okay for Draco to walk away. Draco too was a member of a terroristic organisation and he is guilty of several attempted murders (which are in many countries punished as commited murders) and used unforgivable curses. A good judicial system really shouldn't let people go because they had a very convenient change of heart, espiacially with so severe crimes.
But to be fair, the whole judicial system in the wizarding world and the way they wage war sucks, so this is only something pretty minor.
@dr103 Yes he did. There is no prove that he was forced to join, at least no that would hold in court, but much that he was a Deatheater. And the two first times he tried to kill Dumbledore, he nearly killed Ron and this girl, and he used the Imperius curse in the process. That's more than enaugh to put him away for life.
@dr103 This would maybe count as an excuse, if his parents were some hostages or victims, but they were not. They joint the Deatheaters voluntarily. And Draco himself was in no immediate danger, as soon as he arrived in Hogwarts.
Having a family in danger doesn't give anybody the right to break laws as they see it fit. Maybe to destroy property or hurt or kill the people immediately threatening himself or his family, but murdering people certainly not. It wasn't even like he was still needed in the story, Rowling just extended his moral redemption to a legal redemption.
@@timmerk7363 malfoys were Rich they didn’t have to break laws but Voldemort was evil he didn’t really care so he used their place for Lucius failures also Voldemort did kind of force them remember he was one of the powerful wizards ever they had to be loyal or die
Guilt or innocence is determined by majority vote in the Wizengamot. Not a very sane way to run a judicial system.
tbh lucius probably preferred it when voldemort was half-dead. his family was thriving and was at the top of the law
the best name for a tortoise: Voldetort
"It that must not be named"..😁
Maybe a tough tortie cat, too (only a few are male, though).
@@toringorman843 hahahaa lol
@@lisakaz35 wdym???
@@madihaishere Cats with 3 colors that don't include white are called tortoise shell in color. It's usually "tortie" for short. Calicos (3 colors, usu. white, black and orange) and torties are typically female, as the males have an XXY chromosome versus XX or XY. The tortie (and even calicos) are known for a certain attitude or cattitude or tortitude. Hence the use of Voldetort.
Simple. Voldemort was losing. He twice used AVADA KADAVARA on Harry Potter and twice failed to kill him. After the first time, there was a tremendous anti-Death Eater push, and the Malfoys barely got out of it. Now Harry Potter survived the killing curse again. Not hard to see where it would end up.
Lucius was MVP. He did everything in his power to fail miserably . Left voldy for dead, destroyed horcrux, ruined the prophecy, revealed the return, got all death eaters arrested , and finally ditching him in final battle. No wonder voldemort lost
Except for Bellatrix, this family secretly didn’t want to be evil
Yeah, I agree
Have to agree
Yeah, the malfoys were snobs but not necessarily pure evil. I personally think Bellatrix was insane, and in a modern court may actually be deemed insane and sent to an asylum instead. I think a book written from her perspective would be quite fascinating.
@Mac Welch You stated: "... this family (The Malfoys) secretly didn't want to be evil."
What complete and utter tosh! The Malfoys are the epitome of wealth and class gone bad.
As a family, they lost their moral centre generations ago: the lust for obscene levels of wealth combined with a fanatical devotion to achieving unfettered power over others, giving no thought for the consequences nor empathy for their victims, marks them as truly evil.
'By their fruits ye shall know them...'
Toubricon Oolakash that’s not the same as evil, what you described is corruption
I mean, he really didn't betray Voldemort? He just saved his own skin and that came at the price of his idol but he didn't betray Voldemort's ideals or anything 🤷♀️
Exactly
True, because to betray he would have e to have done something actively to give Voldy up to Harry. He didn't betray, he just left.
He kinda did betray Voldemort even if not in the most opened way. If I was to act like a death eater should he would have fought untile the death to "protect" Voldemort, but he did not, he left
I think the reason is much simpler. Rich people generally don't participate in revolutions. They have very little to gain, and a lot to lose. The Malfoy family was already independently wealthy, with a great deal of influence in the Ministry and in wizarding society as a whole. Why would Lucius want a new dark lord to overthrow the society that he was already at the top of? He joined at first for ideological reasons - he believed in pureblood supremacy. But he had no interest in restructuring wizard society.
I think Voldemort wasn't just punishing Lucius for his failure at the Department of Mysteries or for his unwillingness to find him. I'm sure that his wrath stems from the fact that Lucius had sacrificed one of his horcruxes, caused it to be destroyed and alerting Dumbledore of their existence. He couldn't however punish Lucius too directly for it as it would seem a bit disproportional, so in a way he punished Lucius by having the son clean up the mess of the father by assassinating Dumbledore before the latter could draw too many conclusions and start trying to destroy the rest of the horcruxes. The further humiliations feels more like a reminder to Lucius that he has lost his position as favorite and will have to work his way up again, in the coming years. As I believe that given enough time, Voldemorts treatment of Lucius would improve again if it wasn't for the disappearance and destruction of more of his horcruxes. That put Voldemort too much on edge and he probably blamed Lucius for most of it.
I'm also pretty sure that Lucius never really comprehended why Voldemort was so angry at him for the destruction of the diary, though he must have known it was more important than his master had led on. However, the anger of his master, his outbursts (at one point, he killed everyone in his vicinity for knowing the Hufflepuff cup was stolen) and his never-ending obsession with Harry Potter can't have inspired much confidence in Lucius about the mental state of his master. I think Lucius was one and possibly the only one, who realized that Voldemort's armor started to show cracks and he was the first too fully realize just what kind of a paranoid monster was learning beneath the shell of the dark wizard. How long till his master grew paranoid and decided to prune his own ranks of those who might be a threat to his rule and stand in his way. And with his fall from favor, there wasn't much for him to be happy about in servicing Voldemort. With feelings of fear dominating his feelings towards Voldemort, it is easy to see why he turned his back on the Dark Lord when it became clear that he was losing it.
@Gmail com Oh, I know he didn't realize that Dumbledore had started hunting down his horcruxes, let alone destroy them but the mere thought that Dumbledore might suspect Voldemort had created horcruxes, must have terrified the Dark Lord. And what Dumbledore had, was far worse. He had evidence, it wasn't just suspicion any more. And while Voldemort was sure that Dumbledore couldn't acted yet on this information and confident that even if he tried, it would have taken him ages to find them, I do think that it made Dumbledore a priority target. It also lines up pretty well timeline wise: Voldemort learned from Lucius that the diary was destroyed and mere weeks later, he assigned Draco the task of killing the Hogwarts Headmaster.
And from the books, I did get the feeling it at least has crossed his mind when he heard what happened to his diary. There is a line in the seventh book where he is trying to reassure himself that his horcruxes are fine and that he didn't feel the Diary's destruction because he didn't have a body but if something had happened to the others since his return, he would have felt it (he didn't). I believe this was after he learnt they had broken into Gringotts. Seeing how quick, almost natural the thought came to him, I would think it odd, this would have been the first time he considered this, based on the circumstances.
Exactly. The dairy raised a Flag for Dumbledore that he must have more of them..
@Gmail com Fair point but has Voldemort ever outright mentioned to himself that he feared death? He wanted to defeat it, overcome this weakness but he never described it as a fear either, not even in his most private thoughts. Yet, we know that he was afraid of it. So it not being outright mentioned, doesn't mean he never, no matter how brief, considered it before immediately dismissing it.
He might have been arrogant enough to believe that nobody knew that he had multiple horcruxes but knew Dumbledore knew of at least one and he would be stupid to assume that he didn't consider it possible that Dumbledore, if given enough time to linger on it, would discover it was part of more. He assumed nobody knew they existed, not that nobody ever would be able to figure out they existed (which would be ridiculous to not consider at least once, especially if part of the secret has passed through the hands of someone who never trusted you). After all, he also considered the possibility that his diary wasn't the only horcrux destroyed already before dismissing it and this was something he considered before the cup was stolen and probably when he learnt the diary was destroyed.
And I think this was why he wanted Dumbledore dead so desperately. He knew that he would have to act quickly and his surprise can be explained by the safe assumption that Voldemort was convinced that Dumbledore couldn't have figured things out that quickly. He was convinced he neutralized Dumbledore before he discovered too much and was surprised and shocked to learn that Dumbledore might not only have known enough but also shared this knowledge with his greatest enemy. Wouldn't you be surprised if a problem you though you had taken care of, returning?
@@AaronBlake-in3wk Snape has implied that if Draco failed his task, Voldemort would turn to Snape to eliminate Dumbledore. That was always the real plan, I believe. But he did want to use Draco to make an example out of the Malfoys about failing him.
Draco would get the first attempt and in the likely event that he failed, Snape would be able to strike in the aftermath of Draco's failure, when everyone was distracted by the circumstances.
Going by the fact that when Snape vowed loyality to Dumbledore, he feared for his life and begged to not be killed, I would say that during the "First Wizarding War of Great Brittain", Voldemort already had several assassins killed by Dumbledore. So he knew that the headmaster wasn't an easy target, still the situation was now more urgent than ever.
The Malfoy's saved Harry in a way, Draco didn't give Harry in at Malfoy Manor, and Narcissa lied that Harry was dead in the forest... they ain't evil... Voldemort is... plus Voldemort had no chance whatsoever, considering how many people were on Harry's side
Because Lucius was never evil or even a cruel person. He's an asshole, a racist, an opportunist, and definitely an antagonist/anti-hero... but nor he or his wife and son were ever evil. In my opinion, they are morally ambiguous, leaning more towards the dark side. Their saving grace is that they love each other. I truly believe that if someone raised their wand to kill or harm Draco or Narcissa, Lucius would step in and take the hit.
Lucius is a classic example of the fact that we the way we are because of how we are raised. And for a while, we also saw this in Draco, until HBP when it opened the eyes of both Lucius and Draco.
He literally supported the wizarding world’s equivalent of Hitler. He also taught his son to hate based on race. That’s pretty evil. Monsters also feel motivated to protect their familial legacy.
@@chateausteel1885 Except that he never FULLY supported Wizard Hitler. I think he, like many other purebloods, initially liked what younger Voldemort had to offer to the pureblood community, but wasn't actually down with many of the evil deeds Voldemort would do or encourage. If he were an evil person, he'd rejoice in Voldemort taking over his house, holding kids prisoners in the dungeons, and killing people left and right.. but if anything, he became a shell of the man he was in the beginning of the series. Like I said, Lucius is an asshole and an opportunist - A bad person, even.. but he's not an evil person.There is a difference.
stop justifying a death eather ffs
Lucius fully supported Voldemort and his ideals, but valued his family and his own safety a bit more. They were the only thing that would’ve caused him to betray Voldemort. Narcissa on the other hand was more morally ambiguous as she never joined the death eaters and although she was a pure blood supremacist she never had any interest in exterminating muggles or muggle borns, just regarded herself as superior. She was 100% only in that situation due to her husband and later son, and she took the first opportunity she had to betray him to protect her family. Likewise Draco was a product of his father with regard to ideology but only became a death eater as he was forced to as a way of punishing Lucius, and he also changed sides quickly and didn’t particularly like being there in the first place. Draco and Narcissa are the two more redeeming qualities of their family, but Lucius was just evil, a supremacist and a nasty person who got on the wrong end of Voldemort’s temper and decided to save his own skin
It's always about Lucius---Narcissa is the true MVP--lying to Voldemort's face is a bold move.
Don't get me wrong Lucius is a coward--a coward who put his family above all else, but a coward nonetheless.
Draco is lucky to have parents who would betray the dark lord for him. I think he and narcissa were just waiting for the right moment, and that moment was when they knew harry was not killed.
Anyone ever wonder why Voldemort had Lucius released from Azkaban but not Barty Crouch Jr? The man who actually was successful in his task to bring Voldemort back to his full power
He was given the Dementor's Kiss so he would have been useless. So there was no point in freeing him.
@@merlinlover121 That makes sense, I completely forgot about that being mentioned
@@merlinlover121 That was at the end of book 4. Crouch did plenty of damage masquerading as Mad-Eye Moody.
@@merlinlover121 the dementors kiss? Please explain.
Megan S y’know, it sucks out your soul .-.
I know i might be alone in this but Lucius Malfoy is my favorite character, I know he's not extremely powerful and that he's a death eater but I always liked the fact that he and narcissa cared about their family and in the end he saw the truth about the cause he was fighting for and betrayed voldemort to save his life and his family... He made some great mistakes, but he saved his family and didn't actually killed anyone... I believe that in the end he was a good man who had stumbled on the wrong way
You're not alone. He's my fav too 😍 I sign under your every word 😊
Same here 😀👍
Not alone. İm here
Lucius is my favorite too. ❤
Great video! Please post more videos with the Malfoys😍. I agree with you, Lucius betrayed Voldemort and Voldemort deserved that given the way he treated the Malfoys starting the final of the 5th book. In my opinion, Lucius became a death eater at a young age, wanting to gain power and promote the pureblood doctrine and he didn't understand at that time what being a Death Eater implies. You can never quit this job. I believe that in the second wizarding war, he regreted being a Death Eater. But we have to admit that it was Narcissa who made the perfect move and revenged her family when she lied Voldemort.😎
Exactly. Look at Regulus Black. He became a Death Eater at a young age and realized shortly what Voldemort really was. Regulus committed suicide to help cripple Voldemort. Sucks to be smart and a Death Eater.
It's interesting to see some of the internal politics among the Death Eaters. Voldemort was clearly after an excuse to kill Lucius that the other Death Eaters would accept. It shows that his hold on them was more fragile than it seems at first glance. Lucius was a man of such great wealth and status that they all looked up to. If Voldemort just killed him for what was, in their eyes, not a justifiable reason, then they would know that anyone could be next. They would start to see Voldemort as a madman who rewarded his most loyal servants with torture and death.
And given the symbolic significance of the Malfoy family, Voldemort betraying them would be seen as Voldemort betraying his own cause of pure blood supremacy. This combined with Voldemort himself being a half blood - something that the Death Eaters who knew this uncomfortably swept under the rug - might have been enough to fracture the loyalty of the Death Eaters. Now that I think of it, Lucius was actually a potential rival to Voldemort's power in terms of influence.
Great comment!
I’d been wondering why Voldemort bothered to keep Lucius around when he clearly resented him. Voldemort being worried about the loyalty of his other followers would make sense for his character. Like you said, in many ways Lucius was a more perfect symbol for the Death Eater ideology than Voldemort himself. It also shows how paranoid and insecure Voldemort was after his resurrection. I imagine the Death Eaters probably noticed he was more unhinged than last time. I wish we had gotten a few more scenes of the Death Eaters’ internal politics. Would have been fun to get some juicy Death Eater gossip lol
Voldemort threatened his wife and son while he was in Azkaban, hopeless. Voldemort even manipulated a naive, sixteen years old Draco Malfoy to be a Death Eater and instructed him to kill the greatest wizard that has ever lived. Not to mention, his home was turned into a place where Voldemort killed and tortured people. Lucius may be a bad man but unlike Voldemort, he knows love. His family is more important than his ambition to kill muggles. So it would make sense why he would betray him the moment he had the chance.
Well put mate !!! Besides Lucious was tired from Azkaban, mentaly and physically and he knew Voldemort was loosing and he left !
I think it really began when Voldemort treated Lucius like an NPC. Taking his wand and humiliating him in front of his family. Lucius wasn't a good guy anyway, but after Azkaban and Voldemort's treatment he decided to turn away.
The Malfoys are amongst my top favorite characters of all time in the Harry Potter franchise. I don't think Lucius Malfoy was a bad person. I mean, on the outside, he was, but deep down he was a good person. I think he wanted to abandon Lord Voldemort the moment Draco Malfoy was assigned to assassinate Albus Dumbledore. He cared about his family too much to care about Lord Voldemort. Speaking of Lucius' family, Narcissa was - in my opinion - the dark version of Lily Potter, who later turned noble. It is not a small thing to lie to Lord Voldemort about his nemesis' death, and Narcissa did that perfectly. Had she not lied to Lord Voldemort, the Wizarding World would have been completely destroyed. So, she was one of the few to _actually_ save the Wizarding World. And finally, Draco was _forced_ by Lord Voldemort to do evil things, it wasn't his choice, and ultimately, like his parents, he turned to the good side. That's why the Malfoys are amongst my top favorite characters of all time in the Harry Potter franchise.
Death Eaters came in three varieties. Useful idiots who believed in and followed Voldemort. Petty Tyrants who knew Death Eating was their best option for power over others. Mini Voldemort's who planned to take over from Voldemort.
When the Malfoy family betrayed the Lord Voldemort that was just my turning point I was like oh my God they really are good not all that bad
I don’t think Lucius Malfoy really believed in Voldemort’s cause and he definitely didn’t like the way Voldemort’s way of ridding the world of muggles, he just wanted to protect his family and at the time when he joined Voldemort he was joining the side that had the most power and who he believed could protect his either pregnant wife or his baby son and his wife whom he loved very much. Also Bellatrix is the last person who would ever betray Voldemort because she actually believes in his cause and is a blood lust maniac. I also don’t believe that Voldemort is to blame for his actions. Think about it logically. Voldemort did what he did because he has no moral compass. He has no moral compass because he is a sociopath. He is a sociopath because he was conceived while his father was on a love potion which makes it impossible for him to feel emotion. When it serves his cause to be mad or upset in anyway he did but he can’t naturally feel emotion. He also is a sociopath partly because he didn’t have anyone to raise him. His dad abandoned him and his mum is dead. Therefore it is not his fault. Logic
I think on some lovel Lucius knew that Voldemort was bat shit insane and that he'd made a terrible, terrible mistake.
Could you do a video on what could have happened if harry accepted Draco's offer of being friends?
I doubt that Harry would do that. He was bullied by his cousin and his friends so he knew what it's like to be in the weakest spot. That made him stick with Ron and he liked him. Draco was his 'enemy'. His father was a Death Eater. Even if they did become friends, I doubt it would have been genuine as Draco would have told his father everything. He would have betrayed Harry. At that time, his family status was prestigious.
In Malfoy Manor, he didn't reveal Harry's identity because his family lost that status. His family was greatly humiliated after the Department of Mysteries Battle. Draco went through terrible time in his 6th year. He had a big mouth but he wasn't a murderer.
Jazzy I don’t mind doing it. It’s an interesting topic.
I love Lucius he is my ultimate favorite character of HP world. As a child when I read the books I disliked him but I grown up with the books so when I was reading the last book I realized he is a complex character. After 20 years he became my favorite after I read again the books. In the movies he is much more evil; e.g. in the book version of chamber of secret he is so funny for me, specially when he started a fight with Arthur Weasley in the bookshop.
I can't stand him. He's a selfish POS
I always liked Lucious. He was my favorite death eater. Snape doesn't count as he was actually playing for the other side. But Lucious was the perfect death eater up until his disgrace. Loyal, bigoted, Scotty, and unlike Bella completely sane. But, he like so many other characters proved why Riddle's inability to connect with emotion, his lack of understanding of love and family, was in the end his undoing. Lucious did indeed love his wife and son though his position forced him to never show it as that was considered weakness in Tom's eyes. A part of me wondered if it truly was the love potion that kept him from understanding or if it was because he was raised in an orphanage with no one giving him love and affection that truly caused his emotional disconnect.
So basically it was fear that betrayed the dark lord, not loyalty, to the family.
i have a question
what if a second "wizard vs muggle" war would happen in the modern times (21st century)?
It wouldn't go well for the wizards. The last time wizards and muggles were in conflict was in the 1600s, when things got so bad for the wizarding world that they passed the International Statute of Secrecy. They opted to hide from muggles instead of continue to face persecution from muggles. It would be a lot worse today with muggles having modern weaponry that most wizards probably don't understand. Also, the wizarding world wouldn't be unified in a war against muggles. Muggle-borns, a lot of half-bloods, and pro-muggle purebloods like the Weasleys would probably support the muggles in a war against the wizard army which would basically be made up of Death Eaters and other pureblood supremacists
@fat cow a little info for you mr potter-head. WIZARDS DONT KNOW HOW MUGGLE TEHNOLOGY WORK
@fat cow and btw. your methods are preety flawed
@fat cow The Statute of Secrecy was designed to protect wizards from muggles, not the other way around. The wizarding world faced persecution by muggles, with many tried and executed for witchcraft. JK Rowling tied the story in with real history, using the real witch hunts of the age, like the Salem Witch Trials, as the basis for wizards going into hiding.
We also haven't gotten to the main issue at hand, and that's population. The wizarding population is far too small to wage war against the vastly larger muggle population. It's the reason that muggles were able to persecute wizards before, and it's still the reason why wizards can't overcome muggles in the modern age.
The one thing I always wished was in the movie was when snape duels the other house heads 3v1. Such a missed opportunity to allow severus to show his skills.
I kind of always thought the malfoys left because they finally realized it wasn’t worth it that being at the reserving end of Voldemort’s wrath snapped some sense into them
youv made me love harry potter more than my brother lol
I already loved Harry Potter more than my brother 🤣🤣🤣
Lol😂🤣
Well my brother hasen’t read The books..
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Lucius was loyal to the cause and not so much Voldemort. During the first Wizarding War Lucius was his right hand man and was Voldemort best General but after Voldemort supposedly died, Lucius didn't want to find him again. It all began the moment that Lucius gave Ginny the horcrux from there lucius's standing started to go down. His best man and he never went to Azkaban for him and I think most importantly Lucius made a story about how he was being controlled so he wouldn't face the consequences of his actions. That to me showed Voldemort that Lucius was not loyal to him
Lucius sorta gives me Arrow vibes, from twilight, the hair, the way he gazes when he speaks..as if he knows it all.
Haha good point!
He realised that he had chosen a wrong path from childhood
Whoa, actually learnt a lot from this
**Me half watching the video, half commenting on everything so that I have something to do with my life**
Before watching the video;
I thought he betrayed him to protect his family.
After watching the video;
My thoughts haven't changed.
I see Lucius as a huge coward and opportunist. Once he saw the tables turn and power shift, he changed alliances. He's an awful character and the most unforgivable in his family. Narcissa always did what was best for her son even when she defied Voldemort till the very end. His wife had more courage and backbone than he ever did. Even Draco turned out to not be a horrible guy. Draco's decisions actually helped Harry on numerous occasions.
Vid idea: would the unforgettable spells work on basilisks?
it is unforgivable actually
its unforgivable i think, but other than that great idea
Heard of typos? :) but thx
Lucius was a coward, just like Peter, but unlike Peter he was obsessed with purebloods.🙄He would follow anyone who would help him establish purebloods over halfbloods and muggle borns.
Ok buddy
@Golden HD Okkk
I completely agree.
@@harinadathur10 I understand what you mean. That too, but he wasn't exactly a good person either.
@@harinadathur10 he sorta is a coward tho, not as much as Pettigrew lol
I wouldn't really say betrayed Voldemort. More like abandoned. Betrayed would imply that Lucius actively helped in Voldemort's defeat.
2:49 I thought it would be Bellatrix Lestrange
Same no one was as faithful as bellatrix
Lucius working for the lord: hm?
**Voldemort breaks his wand, forces draco to be a death eater, etc**
Lucius: oh hell naw-
I don't exactly think voldamort would feel the need to justify killing lucius
I dont think Lucius was as evil as the other death eaters.
Love your videos man!
The biggest question I had in the series is
Why didnt James and Lily apparate when voldermort came to godricks hollow ? It takes only seconds to apparate so why didnt they? They could have gone near Dumbledore right ?
@dr103 Thanks dude. Btw where is it mentioned ? Any of the books?
No only Lucius Malfoy betrayed Voldemort so did Severus Snape who was also a Death eater turns spy For Albus Dumbledore so not only that I believe that is also his betrayal to so do you believe that snake died been bitten by a snake that is not venomous known as. Nagini who happens to be not venomous which happens to be a woman in disguise of a snake do you believe that he is up to you so alive or what would your opinion on this?
I disagree with some of your points. Firstly, Lucius is not the pure blood fanatic that fandom presents. Pottermore confirms that the Malfoy family has half-bloods in its family tree and although Lucius could use the arguement that all four of his grandparents are pure blood/magical plus the whole sacred 28 thing (if someone like Bella presses the point), he knows that there are a few half-blood brides with muggle heritage in the family tree. He knows this. Draco probably doesn’t but Lucius does. His pure blood ideology is there (chamber of secrets arc being proof) but Lucius’s primary motivation is power. He wants world domination. No doubt he would have asked Voldemort if he could have been minister for magic if he had remained in favour. Lucius does not see himself as Lord Voldemort’s servant. He sees it as a partnership (Tom Riddle does not - he sees Lucius as his servant. His favourite pet Death Eater in fact). He is opportunistic and self-serving - Draco and Narcissa too. Tom’s most loyal are Bella and Barry Crouch Jnr who are emotionally invested in Tom. Lucius is not. I’m sure that if Dumbledore had given Lucius in OTTP an opportunity to both defect and a position of authority/ability to remain neutral (for Draco at least) in the Order’s revolutionised Ministry (that would be more muggle-born friendly) then no doubt Lucius would back it. Lucius wants power and the safety of his family. They are his two primary motivations.
I’m ashamed of it, but by the end of DH2, I actually felt bad for the Malfoys. Sorry.
My father, a judge, said prisons don't do anyone any good. Lucius's family needed him.
How did the half-blood Voldemort get the loyalty of the full-blooded Malfoys and other full-bloods to follow him in the first place?
I think that they also had to focus on the father love in the movie that is something I missed although it was al over the series as seen by Lupin and sirius who kind of took that role for James so that Harry would have a father figure and even Dumbledore did just that but the one who was the biggest was Lucius he did what people for his wife but mostly for his son he loved him more than enything I think it is a pity that it is in the last book but not in the movie they sud have shown that more in the film I the book you really see that he did what he did to save his son and make sure that he is save and lives
I agree
lol I actually felt bad for him. just because of the way he felt for his family
Malfoy only wants to protect his family
Just a quick question. How come we can barely see the movie clips and not hear anything from them anymore?
What if Lucius Malloy called Voldemort in the Deathly hallows Part 1????
Lucius: Boss, we think we have Potter.
Voldemort: Think? Go on.
Lucius: We definitely have that Mudblood girl and the red headed stepchild. We can't tell if it's Potter because we can't recognize his face.
Voldemort: Aren't those three always together?
Lucius: What am I, their autobiographer?
Voldemort: Careful, Lucius. I'm leaning toward renaming you "Meg" as it is. Is it Potter or not?
Lucius: We don't know.
Voldemort: Why must I surround myself with fricking idiots?
Lucius: M'Lord?
Voldemort: Shut up, Meg.
I think it is truly fucked up that Voldemort giving Draco the mission to kill Dumbledore was a lose-lose situation for Draco. Had he cowarded and failed, he would be punished by Voldemort by being tortured and most likely killed. Had he accomplished his mission, as the now (known by Voldemort) owner of the Elder Wand, he would be killed so Voldemort could become it's owner.
I did wondered this, even if Snape kills Dumbledore to spare Draco, wouldn't that still mean Draco failed his mission?
Somehow I don't really feel Lucius really betrayed Voldemort, at least not in action...IMO, Narcissa for sure did, and technically Draco did too when he pretended not to recognize Harry at Malfoy Manor. Also, he didn't leave before Voldemort died; when the fight went inside the mess hall, Lucius and Narcissa were there, but they were not even trying to fight they were just looking for Draco. And once the battle was over, the book says the 3 Malfoys were still there, looking as if they were unsure they were supposed to be there with everyone else
As the death eaters are flying away and running away when they realise Harry is still alive. I love hearing( I'm assuming) Bellatrix screaming COME BACK COME BACK AND FIGHT. I don't remember hearing it the first time I watched it
Is nobody going to talk about the actual video? Every one keeps going on about being early and first and stuff😕
Nah you good
probably because they haven’t watched the video yet since they’re early
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That intro is clean
Am I the only one or does anyone else sees Dumbledore, Cedric and Sirius getting killed in their head when they hear lily's theme
Probably me
Jacob Issacs absolutely nailed the character for me, not many can make you feel bad for a bad guy
He’s a good actor
Oh, so true...
I would say it was because Voldemort was loosing strength and his position was getting weaker. Lucius couldn't gloat about his prestigious status within Death Eater ranks after Prophecy was destroyed. He certainly didn't do it because he saw that Voldemort does evil things. His rank was lower than it was in the First Wizarding War. He hated muggle borns and half bloods. His ideology was extremely harmful. He was scared for his family so he turned his back on Voldemort. Voldemort was unforgiving. I bet that he enjoyed humiliating Malfoys. Giving Draco that assignment, taking Manor and snapping Lucius's wand. He wanted Draco to befriend Harry as it would benefit his status.
Draco didn't have to pretend his he didn't recognize Harry just like Narcissa didn't have to lie to Voldemort. But they did for each other. I believe that their actions redeemed them at this time Narcissa and Draco. Narcissa wanted her son to be safe. That's all she ever cared about. So protecting Harry allowed her to go to the Castle. Lucius knew that Voldemort was angry with him. Tom Riddle's diary got into Ginny Weasley's hands. Basilisk was dead. So Lucius did contribute to Voldemort's defeat he just didn't know it.
The interessting thing I always think about is that 90% off people who judge the Malfoys would actually act nearly the exact same as them if they where in their shoes xD
True just what I always say siting on your couch and judging others is easy. The best thing about Harry Potter books is it doesn't shows angels and devils, it shows humans each character with their own good and bad
Can you make a video on how Lucius and Narcissa would have reacted if Voldemort did kill or whatever punishment he was going to give to Draco?
Awesome!!!
Thanks for the video!!
Also, am I the only one to notice that in the wizarding world, it is LEGAL to groom a minor.
Lucius was only loyal to himself. Just like any self-centered power hungry person. Power over others is all they sought and needed.
what if voldy got what he wanted and only pure bloods can be a wizard / witch, therefore us muggles have magic but cant know about it?
Can you do a what if Neville longbottom was sorted into hufflepuff
Explains so much
Here we go!
Because his son deserved a better upcoming adulthood?? Plus I’m sure Draco never wanted to be a death eater & do a job for Voldemort
Because his father made him