Always a pleasure to hear Mr. Tuggy. Quick note, Jude talk about Jesus freeing his people in Egypt. Also, Jesus himself also talks about knowing Abraham in the gospels.
Really? Where in Scriptures did Jesus and Abraham meet? Did they talk with one another? Abraham had a revelation from God the Father of the coming Messiah. Is that so hard to comprehend. God sees things that are as though they have already happened. When scriptures speak of David"s and Abraham's seed , who do you suppose it is making reference? The Messiah Jesus.
”And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, and said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:“ Genesis 18:1-3 KJV Although the other 2 are later identified as angels in Genesis 19:1, some say the 3 are the Triune God coming down to earth to speak with Abraham.
I found this debate to be very informative. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my messiah and I love him so much. He is my way to God and to his Kingdom. I think The Unitarian approach is aligned with the Torah and the Ten Commandments. I am humbled and confused and looking forward to eternal learning and education about God. I do feel confident that God is one. Maybe God’s word became flesh and that is also aligned with genesis chapter one. God says and it is created. Thank you so much for a very good meaningful debate. ❤❤❤😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉
With respect to ”maybe God’s Word became flesh” doesn’t sound like you’re a believer in Christ because that’s who Christ is. So you’d have to believe it is so, not maybe so. Once you determine that, then you have to concede to Him being God, because the place where scripture says “The Word became flesh” also says “The Word was God”.
@@okhuibutala1640 Jesus is God and He became flesh (John 1,1-14). As He became flesh, the Father became His God (Ps 22,10). Because all flesh is submitted to God (Jer 32,27).
worship as....? David and Saul were worshipped as earthly kings. Idols were worshipped as god. Jesus was worshipped by his disciples as...? [Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."]
the wise men worship Jesus as king of israel,thats they leave him immediately,if they think Jesus is a God they would ask that god-man protection,Jesus is worshipped as king@@superviola88
@@Jrce11 right if you read earlier in John it was the same Thomas who didn't see the father in Christ when Yeshua said if you have seen me you have seen the father. At that moment post resurrection Thomas saw His Lord Yeshua the son of God and his God Yahweh that Yeshua testified was with him, in him, who's word he was speaking, and who's works he was doing. God his father. Its coming full circle and reaching understanding and a place of believing because he is now sees the Lord resurrected
Did God the Father tell all his angels to worship them like he told them to worship his Son? God the Father says in Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. God the Father saith, "Let all the angels of God worship him."
Intellectual honesty is important in debates if people desire to advance arguments. Sometimes is not clear if the speaker is even listening or understanding the opposite views to refute them.
Dr. Brown, thanks for making it clearer using Scripture verses like John 1:1,14 Col. 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form", Jesus as God and not just a glorified person.
Why woud Jesus even desire to grasp equality with God, since according to you he is God? John 1: 1 is the MOST misunderstood verse in scriptures and so misleading. I doubt that without Jn 1 :1 there would even be such a doctrine of the Trinity.
I think the word “Trinity” is insufficient to describe the nature of God. Having said that, the Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ IS God. The evidence is exhaustive. One cannot deny the deity of Jesus Christ without ignoring, denying, or twisting scripture
@@priscillajervey8345it would be convenient for you to not have John 1:1, wouldn't it? Fortunately for all of us, God said it so it's real. Just as Jesus saying "I Am" and calling Himself "THE ALPHA AND OMEGA" in Revelation. There's nothing else that can be said after that clear statement.
Yeshua already sitting at the right hand of GOD, says, "MY GOD" - as 4 times in Revelation 3: 12. Rev 3: 12 The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the Name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD God the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from MY GOD, and My new Name.
correct , the Father is the God of the flesh and blood he himself created and wants you to understand this , give glory to the substance , not the form , the spirit , not the flesh , the being , not his manifestation , the creator , not his creation ...however , the form is directly made from Gods very word and has the fulness of the Godhead within him , the only thing Jesus ever claimed to be in him is the Father , God himself , who is holy , who is a spirit , he is then of course a holy spirit and as philippians says in THE FORM of God , the form of something is not the substance of it .......................though its Gods form and not something on its own , which is why Jesus can be worshipped and has all the same titles the Father has etc. Jesus made it plain "i come in my Fathers name" . I don't know what the issue is here? MY GOD , yes , the flesh and blood is not God ... and? thats all Gods showing you by example , Jesus did everything for us by example , God humbled himself , you can fight every scripture you want , Jesus was very clear , if ye believe not I AM HE , ye shall die in your sins , i would advise you to learn what scripture hes quoting and who the IAM and HE that Jesus refers to is , because if you dont believe Jesus to be that being , which isaiah 9:6 knows he is , you're dying in your sins , because anything else is idolatry or denial of Jesus , who is the I AM HE? ...........................................it's the Father , this is why Jesus said before abraham was i AM , because Jesus is the word of God made flesh , Gods word was before abraham , and the bible says the word IS God , God manifest in the flesh timothy says ... better start studying the bible and stop listening to these wolves , they are leading you all to hell like Jesus said they would , and if this doctrines wrong , i bet you a lot of their other doctrine is wrong , stay away from these youtubers and churches , time to study the word for real and find out the truth , your souls on the line .
@onlymyself7225 I'm having alot of trouble reconciling between these two doctrines, please pray for me. I thought the "I AM" statement from Jesus was the end all be all. However, the "I AM" from exodus in the Greek septuagint is different from the "I AM" Jesus uses in John. Exodus is "ho Theos" (I believe) and in John it is "ego eimi".
@@aka.yehoshua ho theos is the greek translation for “the God” literally translated ho-the theos-god. in exodus God says to moses I am That I am, which does not mention the word ho or theos.
Jesus said "I AM the Almighty". He also said that he was on earth and in heaven at the same time. Revelation 1:8 King James Version 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. John 3:13 King James Version 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
The two witnesses are not who we thought they were. Must watch about the Two witnesses and revelation. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/qRJ-ncor52A/видео.html
Jesus already came..the "faithful and true witness" and he showed us all who his God and Father is. All these deceiving lying hypocrites like Michael Brown and James White trying to say the trinity is the truth do not know the Father and they can not hear the words of Jesus
@Abraham Mani how many times do you have to post this same thing on comments?? Normally, posting your comment once is the accepted mode. Please don't flood the thread like this again.
Philippians 2: 5-7 (NKJV), "...Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."
@Paul Mata Jesus referred to himself as “God’s Son” or “the Son of God.” (John 10:36; 11:4) Jesus never identified himself as Almighty God. Moreover, Jesus prayed to God. (Matthew 26:39) And while teaching his followers how to pray, Jesus said: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”-Matthew 6:9.
Here, you dropped this: Philippians 2:9 (NASB) For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, God, as in Yahweh, highly exalted Jesus. Trinitarians always skip this verse! This is why Dr Tuggy said context is king!
God is the God of all flesh Jeremiah 32. So yes the son will always call the father God from the moment he entered in the flesh. But the father also calls the son God. Hebrews 1. Easy peezy
@@arold4928 Yes! When he could have been King and taken power immediately, as per his temptation in the wilderness. Instead Jesus took the form of a servant.
@@tymon1928Jesus was never worshipped. You will find not a single doxology in the New Testament addressed to Jesus. You will notice that Paul only praises God the Father, never Jesus. “Worthy are you, O lamb” in Revelation does not count because it is not worship. Even in that book only the One seated on the throne is adored and worshiped as God. He alone says “I am the Alpha and Omega”. Read Rev 22 very carefully. It clearly isn’t Jesus speaking those words.
This is the first time I've seen a trinitarian debate without getting angry. Dr. Brown did a good job and showed some class something you don't normally see from trinity proponents.
In fact, Dr Tuggy was rather disrespectful and condescending, but Dr Brown rose above the pettiness. Well done, Dr Brown. You brought scripture and correctly interpreted it, unlike Dr Tuggy, who kept on changing scripture, meaning as he went by.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should strike the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fireceness and wrath of Almighty God. 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. Incase anyone missed it, it's the wrath of Almighty God, and he is LORD. ~ The Word of God ~Jn 1:1
@@AndrewGiles688God means mighty one, not Yahweh. He's definitely our god in that he is our king and ruler but he's not the one true god, that being the father, a separate being.
Isaiah For unto us a child is born unto us a son is given and the government shall be up on his shoulders and his name shall be called wonderful counselor, the mighty God the everlasting father, the prince of peace. Amen Now tell me who Jesus is again.
Not God. Stop taking the lazy route of only employing the English of an original ancient Hebrew composition. It will get you nowhere with God. The epithets that are ascribed to the child born are not indicative of divinity. Also, is the Jesus “the father” now? Hm…Curious. It’s almost like you will pick and choose which epithets to take literally and which to spiritualize, since you apply this to Jesus. Was Jesus ever called “the father”? Nope. Why? Because he is called a spiritual brother in Hebrews and is implied to be so in Paul’s letter to the Galatians. You are out of your depth. Heed James’ warning: not everyone should become a teacher.
@@priscillajervey1947 Well it is all over the place in the scriptures. But you all are the last days christians who spend a lot of time in the world and in worldliness but wants to understand this Triune nature of the living God. Father,Son, Holy Spirit. The word and eyewitness was given to our blessed appossles who had gone before us. And that's why when we study the bible we search through the their report of what they saw and what was given to them. Do here John he said they're three that bares record in heaven. And again he said in the beginning was the word. And the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. He that was with God is his blessed SON. Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see curruption. Father glorify me with the glory I had with you from the beginning. Oneness philosophy debunked. That why I quote only what my big brothers wrote because they were eye witness to these accounts. These modern socalled prophet, pastor, evangelist, appossles, in modern times will stand before the Lord for blasphemy and unbelief.
Dr. Brown humbly and gently laid a profound Scriptural case for the divinity of the Son of God! He is a scholar among scholars and has put so much work into building up the body of Christ to the glory of God the Father, to the praise of God the Son, through the power of the Holy Spirit!
I usually dont comment on stuff like this but I watch them all the time. No offense to Dr.Tuggy but to say that John 1:1-2 and then 14 is NOT talking about Jesus is a HUGE stretch! I was shocked by that one!
I think when we take into account Deut 18:18-19, God makes a clear distinction between His word and Jesus, them not being the same thing. The word is God. God puts His word into the prophet (Jesus) to speak on His behalf.
One that always baffles me is when Revelation 1:8 describes Jesus Christ as "Alpha and Omega" and "the Almighty". If one denies the deity of Christ, they MUST discount the plainness of the verse and simplicity to understand it with convoluted explanations and interpretations.
@@ricardoguzman5014Revelation 1:8 is not Christ's originally. He's speaking it as an agent as is stated in Revelation 1:1. Christ isn't speaking of himself until John mentions him in verse 13...
@@joshjeggs 'In the beginning God/Elohim(Gods) created the heavens and the earth': God (Jehovah Jehovah Isaiah chapter 26 verse 4) Isaiah 45:11-22; Jesus/Word John chapter 1 verse 3, Hebrews chapter 1 verse 10: two men according to (Scripture) the law each has their own material body which is a soul and has a rhuach spirit within him John chapter 8 verses 17-18: Jesus, who had been the Word wearing a God-body Philippians chapter 2nd verse 6, created with his hands; God created Isaiah chapter 45 verses 11-12 with his hands John chapter 8 verses 17-18 one of the two witnesses about Jesus.
@King J-dub what do feeling have to do with this? No where in the old testament does it speak of a trinity or jesus being the son of God... the first 3 commandments say I am the LORD thy God. No other gods before me. No graven images or likenesses.
@@bournrich3353 The writer of Hebrews 1 is speaking of the Son who was. All things that were made according to the Fathers will and at His command He made through Jesus. As in all things its from the Father and through the Son. But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” 10 He also says, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. 12 You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.” 13 To which of the angels did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”
Dr.Dale Tuggy: "Some scholars say" Dr.Michael Brown: "The Scriptures say" He nailed it! Thank you,Dr.Brown I really admire your body of work! YESHUA- "The Great I AM
Joseph Smith and many other false prophets also say, "the scriptures say." You are simplifying Dr. Tuggy's postion to try and knock it down. That's a strawman argument. Dr. Tuggy referred both to scholars AND scripture as he gives a better overall context. Which is necessary part of being a good Bible student.
AMEN! Keep spreading the Truth and the Good News! Isaiah 9:6 “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” This verse and prophecy clearly speaks to The Trinity and our Saviour JESUS CHRIST! ✝️✡️
WOW! When Dr Tuggy spoke during his introduction it felt cold and calculated but when Dr. Brown spoke, it moved me to tears! To think that God Himself would come down and die for me, and not only that, to take upon Himself the brutal punishment I deserved is a love that is truly divine! Surely, no mere mortal could have walked in thought and in deed without sin and also take upon himself this monumental burden unless he be God! HallelluYAH!
I must caution you to NOT accept a doctrine because it feels better or because it moves you to tears. These are all very subjective things, and they are not a firm foundation upon which true Faith should be founded. God gave us the ability to reason, and we must use it when we worship Him. The truth is that the Holy Scriptures teach us that there is only one true God, Yhwh, and that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all called Yhwh, the only one true God. The Father sends the Son, and the Father and the Son send the Holy Ghost. The Son entered into His Creation in human flesh at a point in history, He lived a sinless human life, suffered, died, resurrected and ascended, and the Holy Ghost lives in and amongst God's people until Jesus,, the Son in human flesh, returns and He will judge us and restore all things. Holy Scripture is God speaking to us, and it is sure and trustworthy. Human emotions are not!
@@PrenticeBoy1688 YAHushua is God. I don't decide by feelings, that was just an observation. The witness of scripture is overwhelming concerning the God head of YAH. There is the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error. Tell me please your thoghts concerning the following verse: Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Messiah. (1Co 10:1-4)
@@yosefyahu4778 Thank you for your gracious and brotherly apology. You, and as you pointed out, Dr. Brown demonstrate how Christians are to behave; something I too often struggle to do. It's important to take our opponents seriously and to read all of what they say to us, to hear them out completely. By doing so, we can more fairly and accurately address their error by the standard of the Holy Scriptures. Let the offence of the Gospel be the only cause of offence to the unbeliever.
Dr. Brown CLEARLY won the debate..... But honestly, are any of us truly learning?? Are we actually taking notes and CHOOSING Wich side is correct, not bc it sounds good, but bbc is true..... ??? I clearly choose our God ! The Holy Trinity! Thank De. BROWN, for helping me and my family understand the beautiful trinity, and it's teachings tru out the WHOLE Bible! 💕
@@ibrahimalharbi3358 God created everything by himself and he has the power to do anything...so you telling me that God cannot live among men as a man?
@@hdk8727 Man is made in God's image. The relationship between a father and son on earth can be used as an image to infer back to the relationship between Jesus and his father.
@@ibrahimalharbi3358 Not a man that he should lie. Everyone forgets to finish the sentence. And as we see of the Messiah, there was no deceit in his mouth. ~Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. "He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth."
Dr Tuggy said many times about some versus; the "scholars says". To me that sounds like the Roman Catholicism, they also says that whatever their "scholars said" .
He only appeals to scholars in cases where the trinitarian believer would be swayed by scholars. The final authority on theology for the unitarian is the scriptures, not 3rd and 4th century converted philosophers.
@@hubertagamasu6283 so, you are comparing trying to understand the doctrine of the Trinity to trying to understand Quantum physics? I don't need to understand quantum physics to be saved. but yet, I can't be saved according to Dr. Brown without believing in the Trinity. and how can I believe in it if I don't comprehend it? I have been through a hundred hours of these debates and still no Trinitarian can help make sense of it. and believe me, I am trying.
Yes it certainly can be. I have struggled for a long time tying to derive at some clarity, but in the end I just couldn't excape the cleat words of God and Jesus, setting aside the opposing arguments. Jn 3"16 God Clearly stated he SENT his Son. On the Holy Mt. in the presence of John, Peter & James , God declared that Jesus was his son, the one he loved and approved, and told the three disciples to Listen to him [Jesus]. This is the same declaration Moses stated in the OT regarding a prophet like himself who was to come.. Numerous places in scriptures it states that Jesus is NOW seated at the right hand of God the Father. Theses verses are absolutely CLEART regardless of the so-called many trinirarian proof text. Even though they "appear" to carry weight of the deity of Jesus or a God-man, or God the son [no where in the Bible]. I think I will just go with what Jesus and God say regarding their identity. And save myself some headaches.
@@hubertagamasu6283quantum physics is not true! dude look up Austin Witsit. He’ll straighten up your cosmology real quick. And drop the Pharisee energy, it’s not all that convincing.
Clarifying to me. Dr. Brown exposed that Dr.. Tuggy must believe in 2 gods, father & son or else we worship, a mere created being. The Bible clearly reads Jesus is the alpha, the omega, the beginning and the end. Was there before all things were created, and all things were created through him. Jesus is the son is God. Jesus is God.
@@SaveOurChildren7 Yes, if He becomes a man, He can experiance human death. But Gods divine nature cant die of course. As it says, the Word of God became flesh and suffered in the flesh, as the man Jesus Christ
The answer to the question @ 2:32:30 - Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME. (Heb 10:5) Also Messiah says: "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, and I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN. This command I have received from My Father." (Joh 10:17-18) Question: How did Yahushuah raise His own body while being dead?
God raised Jesus from the dead by his Spirit. Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
Dr. Brown was absolutely outstanding in his defense of the Triune God. His Old Testament and Hebrew scholarship truly shone forth in his exegesis and defense of the truth of Jesus divine nature as God Almighty. Amen, doctor. Dr. Tuggy's defense collapsed on itself.
@@yonasfesseha4900 Jesus referred to himself as “God’s Son” or “the Son of God.” (John 10:36; 11:4) Jesus never identified himself as Almighty God. Moreover, Jesus prayed to God. (Matthew 26:39) And while teaching his followers how to pray, Jesus said: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”-Matthew 6:9
@@Azarable yeah he is the unique son of God. Because jesus never said I am God doesn't mean he isn't God. If I say I'm God doesn't make me a God just because I said it. And is it the only way to know if someone is God or not just by claiming his God? I mean who can have the attributes of God except God himself. Like jesus is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega the first and the last. He is the resurrection. He is the king of king and lord of lord. He is the good shepherd. He is the father of eternity. He is THY truth. He is Thy life. He created all things, he accepted worship, He existed before the world was. This are the attributes of God so who can have those attributes except God himself? So if jesus have those attributes what is he saying to us? Its obvious. Yeah jesus prayed, jesus called the father his God, jesus got hungry, jesus got tired, jesus wasnt all knowing, jesus had all this human nature. Why because he was truly man and truly God the incarnation called the hypostatic union. This all thing u see is based on his human nature. Why did jesus prayed because he became a man. when he became a man why should he stop talking to the father? Prayer is a way of communicating with God. Why did jesus call the father his God because he bacame a man. When he became a man he's not gonna be a hard athiest is he? Why should he stop his relationship with the father? Why should he stop talking to the father? In Jeremiah it clearly states that God is the God of all flesh. So when the son became a man he worships the father in the flesh.
@@yonasfesseha4900 Jesus (Yeshua) Christ made a clear distinction between him and his Father Does the identity of God have to be “a very profound mystery”? It did not seem so to Jesus. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.” (John 17:3) If we believe Jesus and understand the plain teaching of the Bible, we will respect him as the divine Son of God that he is. We will also worship Jehovah as “the only true God.” Jesus (Yeshua) Christ said that “the true worshipers will worship the Father with . . . truth.” (John 4:23) That truth has been recorded in the Bible. (John 17:17) Does the Bible teach that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are three persons in one God? For one thing, the Bible does not mention the word “Trinity.” For another, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ never claimed to be equal to God (Yahweh). Instead, Jesus worshipped God (Yahweh). (Luke 22:41-44) A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus (Yeshua) called his followers “my brothers.” (Matthew 28:10) Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ-God’s preeminent Son-they too became sons of the one Father. (Galatians 3:26) Compare some additional scriptures with the following statement from the creed attributed to the Council of Nicaea.
Have you looked at the individual scriptures through a unitarian lense? Have you compared the methodology between the two? Have you compared the logic between the two? I spent weeks and months looking at the trinity. I prayed about it constantly, in fact I still pray for eyes to see the truth and to be brought to my knees if I am ignorant of the truth. I concluded with continual prayer, that there is nothing logical or reasonable about the trinity. It's a fallacious logical argument, and once logic and reasoning has left the faculties, you are open to any ridiculous interpretation because you are no longer bound by logic and reason. I honestly and truly believe with all my heart, if you are a trinitarian you have NOT done any due diligence or intellectually honest investigation in to the doctrine, nor have you compared the line of reasoning to both unitarian and trinitarian conclusion. The trinity is void of any logic, and trinitarians are okay with that. And that's the biggest problem.
@@TaxEvasi0n if you need to read "individual scriptures through a unitarian lense" in order to reach a unitarian view, then that alone should raise concerns over the doctrine itself.
@@priscillajervey8345 Can you pls explain to me why the description how God created the heavens and the earth and is eternal and never changes from Psalm 102,25-27 is quoted and applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1,10-12. And why God in Isaiah 44,24 and Job 9,8 said, He created heavens and earth alone? My explanation is that Father, Son and holy Spirit are one triune God that created the heaven and earth alone. Whats your explanation? *Psalm 102,25-27* *1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.* [...] *25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.* *26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:* *27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.* *Hebrews 1,8-12* *8 But unto the Son he (God, the Father) saith,* [...] *10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:* *11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;* *12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.* *Hebrews 1,10* *And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:* *Isaiah 44,24* Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, *I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;* *Job 9,8* *Which ALONE spreadeth out the heavens,* and *treadeth upon the waves of the sea.* *Matthew 14,25* And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, *walking on the sea.*
Jesus came from heaven because God is literally His Father, He WILL be a son to me and I WILL be a Father to Him, it is the words of Christ that edify ALL others not the other way around and God does not have a God, but Jesus does, and the only way to have eternal life is to know His God is the ONLY TRUE GOD
Listen, even the Roman Centurion could understand.. keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!” (Matt. 27:45-54).
@(( Christian Man )) Mr " Christian man" this is something for you to think about, you will die in your sins unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins, in the literal Greek it's I Am not I Am he, I wonder whether that I Am has ever echoed something to you
@@sethlubega3153 If you don't believe that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God you will die in your sins. If you believe that he is Christ, the Son of God you will have life through his name. See John 20:31 God made Jesus Lord and Christ See Acts 2:36
@@iamdenisehiers6719 you mean the same acts that tells you God purchased the church with his own blood acts 20:28, the I AM the Lord Jesus uses in John 8:24 is the I AM God uses to describe himself in Deuteronomy 32: 39 it's I Am without nothing added to , the I AM where the Divine name YAHWEH is derived, mind you in John 1:1 they have already told you the word is God, yes the Lord Jesus is God one with the Father and holy Spirit
@@sethlubega3153 God was in Christ ......but the Father that dwelleth in me ,he doeth the works. See John 14:10 Also, Matthew 12:28 " But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you." Also Acts 2:22, "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth a man approved by God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you......" God was in Christ. Amen.
The problem with Tuggy's argument is that he likes to argue from a philosophical view. Dr. Brown argued strictly from a Biblical perspective. You will not win a theological debate with philosophy- Colossians: 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
difference is,brown is commiting something called gish gallop,meanwhile tuggy is quoting all the verses essentially needed for this topic @@prayingpatriot8018
@@mitchelladkins3502 1stCorinthians chapter 10 verse 4 shows Christ follows/doesn't lead Israel out of Egypt. Exodus chapter 13 verse 21 'the LORD went before them in a pillar of a cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night'.
@One God One Christ 1stCorinthians chapter 10 verse 4 Christ follows/doesn't lead Israel out of Egypt. Exodus chapter 13 verse 21 'the LORD went before them in a pillar of a cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night'.
One God one Christ You call the WORD of GOD corupted, why? Because it doesn't fit your cult's fubar doctrine? So let us write our own bible, with our doctrins? Who is on the throne in Isaiah 6:1? Gen. 15:1, 4 in the Hebrew reads WORD YHWH came unto Abraham in a vision, WORD YHWH says.to him. Genesis has all three individuals echad "unified" YHWH, WORD YHWH and MESSENGER YHWH. Who is Melchizedek in Gen 14:18, Isa 9:6 and Heb. 7:1?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (Joh 1:1-3) LET ME REPEAT: NOTHING WAS MADE THAT WAS MADE! NOTHING! SO WHO EXISTED BEFORE ALL CREATION CAME TO BE? YAHUSHUAH HA MACHIACH!
Deut 18: 18 -19 YHWH clears up Jesus being the word misunderstanding. God put His word inside Jesus to speak on His behalf. Jesus is not the word literally. Genesis 1, God alone, singular, created everything through speaking His word. Isaiah 44, 45 God alone created everything. God didn't use Jesus to speak his word until he was born. Hebrews 1. If you say that Jesus is the Word and that he is in the old testament speaking for/as God, then you are saying scripture is wrong and your interpretation is right.
@@jawnatutorow Jesus does ALL the things that only God can do! He creates the world, fights Israel's battles, forgives sins, raises from the dead, gives sight to the blind, causes the lame to walk, destroys the antichrist, need I say more? Look, if a man has a son, is that son any less human than the father even though he is subject to the father? Messiah YAHushuah is of the Father, from the bosom of God the Father, he is NOT a created being. John 1:3 clearly states that NOTHING that was made was made apart from Him! The flesh, the living temple was created and formed within Miriam, this is why it is said: "A body you have prepared for me." (Hebrews 10:5) And also: "Destroy this temple and I WILL RAISE IT UP AFTER THREE DAYS." Here is more witness from the book of Hebrews: (Hebrews 1:1-3 UKJV) God, who at several times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word (o. rhema) of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Notice that a distinction is made between the prophets and God's beloved Son! I suggest you all pray and read the book of Hebrews. YAH bless.
Dearest brother Dr. Michael Brown, truly you have lived up to your God givan name, you are like El, like Christ! The Most Set Apart Ruach shall be with you, always!
1 Timothy 2:5 [5] For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the Man Christ Jesus, But for God it's good and acceptable Man jesus to be mediator🤷🏻♀️
If what you said is correct, that the mediator must be both God and man, why did Paul say specifically "the man"? Why did he not say "the God and man, Jeus Christ"? Surely he would have? Pretty important?
@glenfrazer753 I will ask you this! How is it possible that any human being is capable of not sinning ever not once in thought or in deed! Think about that for a moment! And to add another witness , read this: John 20:28 (WEBM) Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!"
@@yosefyahu4778 To answer your, question, he did not sin because of his perfect obedience. Difficult to imagine, I agree, but it's what God first sought from the first man, Adam. But he failed. The second Adam did not fail. A human who fulfilled the law by not sinning. The whole basis of the atonement is the law being fulfilled by a man. Now back to the question I asked you please. Why did Paul sepcifically say the mediator was "the man", and not help us understand he was both God and man by saying it during this key discussion?
The authors of the first books in the Bible imagined that God looked like a mighty man Anthropomorphic They could imagine nothing more Later NT writers show God lIving in unapproachable light!
@Mark Metternich Gof did not say that God made man in his image Early scripture writers assumed that God looked like a mighty King Neigh even greater That’s all they could imagine!
Numbers 23 19 YHWH tells us He is not a man or son of man. He is invisible, He's a Spirit, He dwells in unapproachable light. No man has seen him. Reread Exodus, the people were terrified to even be in the presence of His glory! Day 6, possibly speaking to/and about Adam and Eve. Since they are the only image we know that looks like us. Creation account pattern, God states what He is going to do first and then how He does it after. Very easily could be talking to/about His creation Adam. It's the only time God speaks in plural form, even day 7, He rested, singular.
@jawnatutorow Numbers 23:19 Never said God is not a man. You should always read the scripture the right way. God is making a statement here, Never take a phrase and leave the rest out. Numbers 23:19 says, God is not a man that he should lie; Neither the son of man, that he should repent. Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall not make it good?
Dr. Tuggy - thank you so much for this! Dr. Brown is throwing scriptures out, but is not sound in his arguments on a number of points. I am not sure Dr. Brown really even makes a good Trinitarian. Some of his arguing clearly is laced with Sabellianism - Most people are impressed with his throwing up a lot of scriptures and don't realize how unsound Brown actually is. If I were a Trinitarian, I would not depend on Brown for understanding of these things.
Dr tuggy did terrible. But that’s mostly because scripture refutes his downgrading of Jesus and scripture. I would urge you not to take away glory from Jesus.
@ 51:11 Dr. Tuggy, the text plainly says that the Word became Flesh! The word also clearly says that Christ created all things! Does no one see the issue here in Dr. Tuggy refuting the plain reading and meaning of the text?
@ 45:09 Dr Tuggy states: "As the eminent scholar James Dunn says: There is no evidence that any new testament writer thought of Jesus as actually present in Israels past, neither as the angel of the LORD or as the LORD Himself" Either Dr Tuggy is totally blind because the new testament writers do without a doubt utilize old testament passages that speak of the LORD and apply them to Jesus or he is just outright lying!
exactly. and Dr. Brown very rarely gives context. skipping from verse to verse to verse means nothing. and then when Tuggy tries to nail him down on the 1 Thess. 3:11-13 he chuffs and says oh well you don't understand the Greek. huh?
Michael Brown at 1:07:40 "I came jealous for a full revelation of the love of God, who demonstrates His great heart for us not by sending a glorified man to die for us, but by giving of His very self, His own Son, His own unique Son, coming into this world." This sentence makes no sense to me. Brown says the Son of God is God's very self (and not in the sense of someone's child metaphorically being their "heart"). Brown is saying God's Son is God Himself. Why on earth would God use the phrase "Son" rather than simply "Myself"? It makes God seem like He's playing with words to confuse us. Also, the way Brown speaks makes it seem like God sending Himself is a great thing, but God sending the man Jesus (who IS God's Son) is some kind of lesser act to be looked down upon. Overall great debate.
You need the Holy Spirit to make understand the scriptures brother. Dr Brown is full of the Holy Spirit and the other dude is not, He is just religious not spiritual.
God says son because God is not the flesh itself , he is the spirit manifest IN the flesh , as scripture says , God wants you to understand the difference between his form and his substance ... God is not a human being , God manifest in a human he created by making his word flesh , something we cant do , sure , but all in scripture . The Father , created the form , the form is a man , whats the most fitting title.... son , is it not? God is not the form , the man , he is the substance within it , who , created it , its all Gods , which is why it can be equal to God , known as God , its his visible image and express image of his person , his word , his name , i might have God in me now but im not all those things , there is a difference made between us as a man and Jesus as a man and of course the form and the substance . philippians 2 will help you understand this more , and so God humbled himself it says and took on THE FORM of a servant , Jesus made claims only God can make plenty of times , he revealed himself plainly , before abraham was i am , destroy this temple in three days i will raise it up , im alpha and omega , if ye believe not i am he ye shall die in your sins , all of this says who he is , the jews were not confused by his claims , they simply didnt believe him , they said they wanna kill him because "being a man thou makest thyself God" ...clearly they knew Jesus was telling them hes the Father , and when philip was confused , he made it plain , you see me , you seen the father , i and my father are one , from henceforth ye know him and have seen him . people can find fancy ways to explain all this , its plain and simple speech .
@@onlymyself7225 amen brother. helped me understand it more than most youtube preachers who desperately try to differentiate the father and son. meanwhile i always viewed it simply as u stated, the perfect manifestation of the lord god in the flesh. His word and essence made flesh. god did not leave heaven to dwell among us, his word was made into flesh and dwelt among us. His very own son whom he loves because in essence it is him, eternally coexistant with him, everything made through his word and spirit. that’s why jesus will send the spirit from the father as the mediator between man and god; the god man. He will send the spirit from the father. He will raise himself up. and he commands his spirit into his fathers hands. beautiful
Yes! This was one of my favourite moment too! There is no praying to God + Jesus under one "he" here! Dr Tuggy did such a calm and reasonable job of considering the claim, and then just reading the context of the verse!
@@lizzard13666 1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 is kind of ambiguous. In those verses Paul makes the distinction of God the Father being God and Jesus being Lord (not God). But he goes on to say to that church about certain things he want for both Jesus and God to do for them. Confusing.
@@uncertainty7421 Thanks for your reply! I just had a read of 1 Thes 4 to investigate. I read the NIV version, and I think it's a little clearer maybe, see if you like my explanation: In verse 1 they are told to live to please God, who is Yahweh (the Father) according to the previous passage. V1 goes on to tell them to do this "in Lord Jesus". Verse 2 elaborates a bit further and shows that Jesus gave the disciples the authority to pass on these instructions. Here's another verse to back this idea up: John 17:18 (NASB95) “As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Back to 1 Thess 4. V3 states that it's God's will (still the Father in context) that they should be sanctified, see the verse before my previous reference: John 17:17 (NASB95) “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. Verse 5 is God as in Yahweh again. Verse 6 is where "The Lord" will punish people. This is Jesus who will do the punishing/judging: John 5:22 (NASB95) “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, Jesus was given the role of judge by Yahweh. 1 Thess 4:8 is a really interesting one. If we reject the disciples words here, we aren't rejecting "a human being, but God". This seems to suggest by inference that God can't be human, so it further supports the fact that all instances of "God" in this passage are Yahweh. So who gives the Holy Spirit then, because Jesus said he would send it right? Well read this carefully: John 15:26 (NASB95) “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, Jesus is sending it, but it is from Yahweh, the Father. The Spirit actually proceeds from Yahweh, not Jesus, but Jesus has been given the authority to send it to his disciples. I hope my analysis helps, if there's any other confusing points feel free to bring them up!
@Abraham Mani How do you know that it was Jesus and the holy spirit you seen? No one knows what Jesus looks like. The holy spirit can't be seen. How do you know the voice of God and of Jesus?
yep, Tuggy nailed him down on that one and he tried to wave it away saying something to Tuggy about not understanding the Greek. ha. Brown just spits out verse after verse without ever digging deep. context is not his friend.
This may help those wondering about the death of Messiah: Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body you have prepared for me; (Heb 10:5)
@@dhodzmelgar2933 fully man and fully god. Fully square yet fully circle. The cake is there but you ate it. Complete left yet completely right. Anything else?
I believe he was attempting to express that necessity and obviousness of the death of Jesus's flesh but not his supernatural expression of eternal existence. As a point of explanation: Matt 10:28: "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul, but instead be afraid of the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. " Matt 27:50: "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and gave up his spirit" At least what I take away from this is that the spirit is not dead upon the death of the physical body, and this was expressed euphemistically on the cross when Jesus "gave up his spirit". The obvious purpose was to resolve and declare the termination of Jesus' physical life -- as a secondary proceeding, we see that Jesus' physicality is declared dead but not his spirit. The incarnation died, the Son did not die. If you're left with the lingering question of spiritual death too, I suppose that's a part of the whole -- Jesus defeated death, because He was singularly qualified and capable of it due to his sinlessness. I don't think I'm straying into some heresy I'm aware of by speculating that perhaps by the nature of His eternal and uncorrupted existence, He was unable to be "reaped" into the destruction of His soul in addition to His body when he departed the physical realm into the spiritual realm [described as Sheol/Hades in the text]. So upon resurrection, He brought life back into His former mortal coil. Thus physical death, the shedding of blood to redeem as a sacrifice, and then the resurrection to defeat death by defying its power over Him.. Apologies for the stream of consciousness! Hope this was in some way useful.
Tyler Smith thank you for the response, I understand your point of view. If it helps here is a link to what I believe and hopefully you can understand my dilemma a little better. www.pursuegod.org/hebrew-word-study-nefesh/
Elegant but unbiblical; he made too many self-contradictory statements. Maybe some understanding of the Greek would help him. Dr. Brown has exegetically explained scriptures in context. In fact; he had to repeatedly educate & correct Mr. Tuggy.
@@prayingpatriot8018 I agree with you. I would say that Tuggy’s strongest argument is the one about not finding worship of the Holy Spirit in the text. What do you think about that one? The one about not finding controversy about the Trinity in places like Acts is interesting too for sure, but it comes to mind the moment when Jesus said “I am” and the Jews picked up stones to stone Him. That seems to have been pretty controversial. Also, there’s some people that say Colossians was partly written to correct misconceptions about Jesus, and of course there’s a couple passages there that testify to His deity. The others are just wrong and based on assumptions, even though he says his procedure was free of them.
@@ndjibukabengele973 There is plenty of logic and inspiration coming from the scriptures. Yet certainly not from Tuggy. The problem is people who don't read the Bible in context, will never understand His Mighty Eternal Word.
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One! Deut 6:4 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 1 Tim 2:5 Jesus said to her, "...'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'" John 20:17 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort. 2 Cor 1:3 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Acts 3:13 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!" Luke 9:35 I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Chosen One of God. John 1:34 Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead." Eph 1:4 Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. Rom 10:9
Dr. Tuggy is very confused,whenever he is cornered he resorts to saying it's Dr. Brown who is misinterpreting the verse. Dr. Brown had the spirit of God with him,on the other hand, Dr. Tuggy is struggling to answer very simple questions. I think Brown explained everything correctly. Tuggy on the hand, is teaching a false gospel.
I disagree. In addition to disagreement I don't know Dr. Brown's heart but I feel he is sneaky and deceptive. I personally know people Like Dr. Brown who are lawyers and they act the same way as Dr. Brown. To them it's about winning at any cost no matter if they have to twist the truth. Yah forgive me if I'm wrong about him. 🙏
@@MatrxBstrYes, Dr. Brown is a Jew. A sneaky, Machiavellian, deceitful Jew. I believe that's what you meant to imply. He's also a regenerate, born again Christian who defends the Biblical Christian Faith with love and gentleness. Dr. Tuggy, on the other hand, is arrogant, dismissive and sarcastic.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 CEB
“Go in through the narrow gate. The gate that leads to destruction is broad and the road wide, so many people enter through it. But the gate that leads to life is narrow and the road difficult, so few people find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you dressed like sheep, but inside they are vicious wolves. You will know them by their fruit. Do people get bunches of grapes from thorny weeds, or do they get figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, and every rotten tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit. And a rotten tree can’t produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, you will know them by their fruit. “Not everybody who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter. On the Judgment Day, many people will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name and expel demons in your name and do lots of miracles in your name?’ Then I’ll tell them, ‘I’ve never known you. Get away from me, you people who do wrong.’ “Everybody who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise builder who built a house on bedrock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the wind blew and beat against that house. It didn’t fall because it was firmly set on bedrock. But everybody who hears these words of mine and doesn’t put them into practice will be like a fool who built a house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the wind blew and beat against that house. It fell and was completely destroyed.” Matthew 7:13-27 CEB
Good job to both Dr. Tuggy and Dr. Brown. Nice to see a trinity vs. unity debate where nobody gets angry, that hardly ever happens. Unfortunately, Dr. Brown lost all credibility for me when he said that εγω ειμι is equivalent to Hebrew 'ehyeh', because he should know that the translation of 'ehyeh' in the LXX is Ο ΩΝ, not ΕΓΩ ΕΙΜΙ.
@@dimitris_zaha exactly, and then one has to wonder why so many christians take something for granted that doesn't exist in the bible. We rather believe men's words than God's Word.
@@benjamina6915 I mean there's not a verse that crushes or even remotely damages the Trinity, almost every objection comes from misunderstanding the Trinity
But on the other hand there seems to be some sort of condescension and frustration with his opponent in cross-examination. Sometimes calmness can come across as very smug and passive aggressive.
I really enjoyed this I'm actually an agnostic person just here to inform my self. I like both of them very intelligent individuals. In my personal opinion I think Dr. Tuggy sometimes takes a cynical stance disguised as calm. Like some atheist or cientist or physicists tend to do when talking about religion. I can understand why Dr. Brown gets a little frustrated. But in the end both of them managed to keep the debate civil and interesting.
Pat Riley...Dr Tuggy seems calm because his soul hs been seared, he is a tool of Satan, so of course what he lacks in the truth he can push in persona.....he reminds me of Bert Erhman - same spirit of deception Tuggy needs deliverance and the gospel.
Dale Tuggy argues that Jesus is not divine because Colossians 1, John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 say all things were made ‘through’ Jesus and Dale Tuggy says that word means Jesus was an instrument and that the Father is the ultimate source and therefore the real God. The Greek word in Colossians 1, John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 which is translated as ‘through’ is: διά This argument by Dale Tuggy can easily be shown to be nonsense and false by Romans 11:36 where it says all things are made ‘through’ (same Greek word: διά ) God the Father/Yahweh. Therefore, according to Dale Tuggy, if he’s going to be consistent, the use of that exact same word ‘through/διά’ in Romans 11:36 must mean God the Father was an instrument used by someone else. This is nonsense. The Greek word ‘διά’ is also sometimes translated simply as ‘by’. This argument by Dale Tuggy either shows his ignorance of this, or he’s being dishonest by concealing this information which would destroy his argument. Neither of those is good.
Modalist Protestant heretics like Dr. Brown are the reason why Tuggy exists. This clown embarrasses himself not knowing who are the persons who are the subjects in the verses he quoted & constantly blasphemes the Father YHVH. Despicable...
Both Brown & Tuggy are heretics, so stop being 1 sided. How about attacking Protestant Brown on his Modalist heresy & blasphemy against the Father or ignorance of Scripture?
Love these two speakers so much! No hate to my trinitarian friends, I use to be a trinitarian all my life. There’s a lot of research to do so if you all are up for dabbling in Greek, go for it! It’s wonderful to know that when the Bible says our God is one, we can believe it.
All love I dont want to argue but what about John 8:58, revelation 2:23 Jesus literally says basically the same thing that God says in Jeremiah 17:10. John 16:25-31. If you see John 16;25-31 Jesus says he came from God and "again" is going back to God or with God and that relates to John 1:1.
From genesis to revelations the Trinity exists, God, Elohim, plural, let “us” make man in “our” image. Let us (plural) confuse there language gen 11:7 and the lord (single) confused there language gen 11:9. Genesis 18:1-2 Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth, “Now the Lord appeared to him” and “When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him” the Bible is lettered with the Trinity tell me if you want more verse I figured I’d just give you a few from genesis
@Mick Erikson you just don’t understand the Trinity and you think I believe in three Gods, that’s wrong I bro lie with in one God just the way the Bible explains the Trinity. I gave you verses so exegete those verses don’t give me other verses if you can prove my verses wrong
@Mick Erikson like I said you can’t prove that biblically you have just been taught some heretical teaching, and you will die in your sins because of it. Exodus 3:14 God says I am who I am Jesus says in John 8:58 before Abraham was “I am” And in 8:24 he says if you do not believe I am he you will die in your sins. Prove to me that he is not God using the Bible, don’t just yap
John's Gospel makes it clear that the Logos never had a beginning. "In the beginning was the word.....The imperfect, indicative, active third person singular to be verb "Was, ἦν" uncontrovertibly is a continuous past tense. The prepositional phrase "In beginning Ἐν ἀρχῇ is locative. What John is saying, according words and the grammar, is that the word already was there prior to anything which had a beginning. Also note what John says in verse 3 of the same chapter, "All things came into existence through him and without him not one thing has come into existence, which has come into existence." Dr. Tuggy is saying that God the Father must have created the word, Jesus, but this is impossible because as VS one states that the word never had a beginning and that EVERYTHING which exist was created through him. If everything was created through him, could he have had a part in creating himself? Paul states the same (Col. 1) only he uses the definite article "All things" to make it crystal clear. He also borrowed this phrase from earlier Greek writings. The readers knew absolutely what John and Paul was saying. You can say you don't believe it, but you can't say that is not what it says.
Mark Metternich, People decided what should go in the cannon. There were many gospels used by set of different Churches that did not make it to the Cannon. Only the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) should be in the Cannon. Jews have what God revealed to the Prophets (Peace be on them all). We, Muslims, have word for word of God in the Qur’an and the knowledge and inspirations that God gave to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in Hadith. Apart from these two what other people say no matter how big of scholars they are would not carry much weight compared to Qur’an and Hadith.
If you liked this consider other shenanigans Hebrews 1v8 readdresses Psalm 45 VVIPs 7-10 to Christ but note the psalm uses the word ‘god’ in lower case and readdresses it to ‘God’ in higher case! Verse 10 is a ‘give away’ The daughters of Kings are your lovely wives’ This passage in Psalm 45 refers to marriage of the the daughter of the King of Tyre to the Davidic King! Trinitarians are shameless The deception continues to verse 10 jabrien@africaonline.co.zw
@J DV it proves that the book of Hebrews attributed to Paul may not be reliable. More importantly, Paul is not an authorized person. After Jesus it would be his disciples
So funny how he read out the 1 Thessalonians 3:13 reference, and immediately destroyed Dr Brown's bad reading by simply reading the surrounding verses 🙌 1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 (NASB) 11 Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you; 12 and may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you; 13 so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints. Verse 11 establishes that the Father=God, and Jesus=Lord, as separate entities. Verse 12 asks that the Lord (Jesus) make us abound in love. Verse 13 says "so that he (Jesus) may establish your hearts ... before our God and Father (Yahweh). Read it back with this in mind ... it makes much more sense this way! Great response by Dr Tuggy to go to the passage and read it out! 1:35:00 is the time he goes to the Bible verse about it!
Wow Michael Brown smoked him 😮 His Jewish background gives him perspective that the other guy doesn’t have! So many quotes in the NT from the OT. Quotes about Yahweh applied to Jesus! We definitely know the NT authors believed Jesus is God!
All throughout the Genre Bible (OT) the prophets and the Psalms...they write prophetically that God is my Salvation. (PS. 68:19, PS. 35:3) "I am your salvation". He was announcing it - He alone would be the Savior! The One who created all things and in whom ALL things hold together. The Name JESUS means (the Lord is Salvation) Him alone, not an exalted man! Look at Proverbs 30:4...the question is WHO? They share the same true Name..notice bible says..baptize them in the Name of the Father Son and HS...Name, not Names! Bc they are One! If God could dwell in man made tents in the OT..could He not have prepared His own Human tent and dwelled fully within it?! I stand with scripture and Dr Brown's understanding of it. Great debate! Thank you gentleman! 🙌🏻
El Gibborim is used in Eze 32:21 for a group of men. Every one of them is an El Gibbor. It is factually inaccurate for Dr Brown to assert El Gibbor as an exclusive title for Yahweh.
@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Ele/Eli is spelled the same way as Eli in Psalm22:1 in Hebrew. The root word is El. Just look at Biblehub H410. So it is not false just same word, but can be used as singular, plural or adjective. May God the Father blessing, love and truth be with you, in Lord Jesus Christ Name, Amen!❤️
@@yeahwheey1Yeah your right only difference is one is singular and one is plural it's still the same basic word, like in english we have hat and hats, slightly different spelling still same basic word in meaning.
El gibbon is a ‘red herring ‘ The event being referred to in Isaiah 9 was the birth of a Davidic King and the words the Heavenly Council would use to greet his birth! Some Christians have readdressed these words to Christ! Incorrectly! But they keep doing it!
@@johnbrien6313 LOL! David was buried for 275 years when Isaiah prophesy 9:6. After Solomon the kingdom was devided. A Davidic king would ruled all Isreal not just Judah. 60 years later you're in captivity and ruled by 4 beast empires then Jerusalem was made desolate for 1878 years. Dan. 9:24-27 happened with the last week still to play out. Your Temple stones still remain thrown down crying out "a plase for trumpeting" if I recall correctly. JESUS is the only canidate being from the line of Jesse>David>Nathan on the seed of the woman side and the laws of inheritance on Joseph's line Jesse>David>Solomon. GOD is not a nan such as HE would lie. It all went down to the day and hour. HIS will be done. Some Christians still do? Isa. 9:1-6 is quoted as being fulfilled in Mat. 4:11-16. I'm happy your not associating yourself with Christianity, we'll consider you a mission field.
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Which part of Philippians do you not understand? Jesus who was in the nature of God, to the nature of a human servant. As a servant, would the Father not be greater than him? As a human servant, will the Father not be his God?
why i see always the debaters that defend CHRIST, full of the SPIRIT speaking so fluid to the point that the debate even looks unfair...is like an adult debating a little child....
Because before accepting trinity, one must throw rationality out of the window and accept emotional feelings. I agree with you. I see that too. They are too emotional rather than talking in a scholarly way. But it's not their fault. Actually they can't rationally about trinity which is itself irrational concept. Even people gets hyped when they are drunk or on drugs. Christian debaters are like them.
@@One-rr8um I'm concerned that you may have exalted your human rationality above God and his Word. He is not to be made a slave to your understanding, but your understanding is to be made subject to Him.
God is not irrational and he's very plain about his own limitations and attributes throughout the Bible. At some point if he was 3 people then he would have brought it up.
Dr. Tuggy is right about there being two different types of Trinitarians. Some think of God as being 3 literal Persons which sounds like Tri-Theism while Dr. Brown tends to focus more on the Oneness of God's Being as an Individual Being by saying, "I," "Me," "He", and so forth. I believe that many professing Trinitarians just give the Trinity idea "lip service' by throwing out the words "3 persons" and "the triune God" and so forth while thinking a lot like us Oneness Pentecostals.
Global Impact Ministries You don't even know what tri-theism is. ha! Tri-theism by definition means three gods, not 3 persons. Modalism is the belief in one God, one person, three different modes or manifestations.
Agreed. Trinitarianism is unlivable. Trinitarians seem to be unitarians 99% of the time. The 1% trinitarian mode only shows up when they are asked about it, and then the confusion begins.
T Yeah I agree, tuggy argument was very dull, at the end when he read his pre written conclusion statement, that Brown did not answer his questions... that to me summed up his dishonesty.
Jesus has a Father who is God. I have that same Father and God as my brother Jesus. God never called any man "brother". Get a 10 year old child to read John 17:1-3, John 20:17 and Rev. 3:12 and explain it to you. The trinitarian church that I belonged to from birth tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of God loving people over the 1700 years of its anti-Christ's existence.
The problem is that when people who aren't well versed in these types of arguments usually fall back on who was more charismatic and assertive rather than actually vetting the information presented. Of course if the things that merely appeal to your emotions is the deciding factor of choosing a victor than Michael Brown wins. If it's no nonsense scriptural arguments then Tuggy wins.
Well he gave the thief and sexual abusing Jim Baker the same indorsment. There is truth in you become the company you keep. Brown judges John MacArthur for the sake of book sales and $$$. It's all about $$$. Ask the Doc. the same question and accuse him of. It seems to me your the judge and jury.
Desere Makaroff Benny Hinn makes Christianity a laughing stock not to mention the 100s of millions $ conned from sick and crippled believers he robs. Brown sold himself to the devil and was paid handsomly by both his thiefs. John MacArthur would never appear on their shows and validate those ministries. Young girl. Advise for Brown to stay clear of thieves is not judgment. Go back to school, your unlearned, btw.
Glory to the triune God
That makes absolutely no sense. It is incomprehensible and not at all biblical.
Always a pleasure to hear Mr. Tuggy. Quick note, Jude talk about Jesus freeing his people in Egypt. Also, Jesus himself also talks about knowing Abraham in the gospels.
Really? Where in Scriptures did Jesus and Abraham meet? Did they talk with one another? Abraham had a revelation from God the Father of the coming Messiah. Is that so hard to comprehend. God sees things that are as though they have already happened. When scriptures speak of David"s and Abraham's seed , who do you suppose it is making reference? The Messiah Jesus.
@@priscillajervey8345 you’re joking right?
You think?? Ha!@@notavinav You think maybe Abraham and Jesus were buddies? Ha!
”And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, and said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:“
Genesis 18:1-3 KJV
Although the other 2 are later identified as angels in Genesis 19:1, some say the 3 are the Triune God coming down to earth to speak with Abraham.
”Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.“
John 8:58 KJV
Dr Brown what a privilege to hear a jew acknowledging the messiah
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@basilhendricks ... really!? Did jews ever believed that God is a trinity?!😮😅
@AhmedManka-lf2fj read proverbs 30 v 4,God cannot have a Son if the Son is also not God
I found this debate to be very informative. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my messiah and I love him so much. He is my way to God and to his Kingdom. I think The Unitarian approach is aligned with the Torah and the Ten Commandments. I am humbled and confused and looking forward to eternal learning and education about God. I do feel confident that God is one. Maybe God’s word became flesh and that is also aligned with genesis chapter one. God says and it is created. Thank you so much for a very good meaningful debate. ❤❤❤😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉
That’s crazy
With respect to ”maybe God’s Word became flesh” doesn’t sound like you’re a believer in Christ because that’s who Christ is. So you’d have to believe it is so, not maybe so. Once you determine that, then you have to concede to Him being God, because the place where scripture says “The Word became flesh” also says “The Word was God”.
Absolutely this debate is amazing,we love what we have learned and our many questions have been answered thankYou 🙏
Thanks for posting. Enjoy listening
Jesus said my father and my God
Eph 4-5 one Lord
Eph 4-6 one God
John 3-16
Father and son
God - raised him ( Jesus)
I'm going to the father
@@okhuibutala1640
Jesus is God and He became flesh (John 1,1-14). As He became flesh, the Father became His God (Ps 22,10). Because all flesh is submitted to God (Jer 32,27).
Worshipping = bowing down = respect
David was worshipped, king Saul was worshipped, Joseph was worshipped...search the word bow down...
worship as....?
David and Saul were worshipped as earthly kings.
Idols were worshipped as god.
Jesus was worshipped by his disciples as...?
[Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."]
the wise men worship Jesus as king of israel,thats they leave him immediately,if they think Jesus is a God they would ask that god-man protection,Jesus is worshipped as king@@superviola88
@@ManlyServantThomas called Jesus his lord and his God.
@@Jrce11 right if you read earlier in John it was the same Thomas who didn't see the father in Christ when Yeshua said if you have seen me you have seen the father. At that moment post resurrection Thomas saw His Lord Yeshua the son of God and his God Yahweh that Yeshua testified was with him, in him, who's word he was speaking, and who's works he was doing. God his father. Its coming full circle and reaching understanding and a place of believing because he is now sees the Lord resurrected
Did God the Father tell all his angels to worship them like he told them to worship his Son?
God the Father says in Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
1:6 And again, when when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
God the Father saith, "Let all the angels of God worship him."
Intellectual honesty is important in debates if people desire to advance arguments. Sometimes is not clear if the speaker is even listening or understanding the opposite views to refute them.
Dr. Brown, thanks for making it clearer using Scripture verses like John 1:1,14
Col. 2:9 "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form", Jesus as God and not just a glorified person.
Why woud Jesus even desire to grasp equality with God, since according to you he is God? John 1: 1 is the MOST misunderstood verse in scriptures and so misleading. I doubt that without Jn 1 :1 there would even be such a doctrine of the Trinity.
I think the word “Trinity” is insufficient to describe the nature of God. Having said that, the Bible makes it clear that Jesus Christ IS God. The evidence is exhaustive. One cannot deny the deity of Jesus Christ without ignoring, denying, or twisting scripture
Correct. God doesn't share His glory, even with His children as shown to us.
@@priscillajervey8345it would be convenient for you to not have John 1:1, wouldn't it? Fortunately for all of us, God said it so it's real. Just as Jesus saying "I Am" and calling Himself "THE ALPHA AND OMEGA" in Revelation. There's nothing else that can be said after that clear statement.
Well....if you say so!@@AndrewGiles688
Yeshua already sitting at the right hand of GOD, says, "MY GOD" - as 4 times in Revelation 3: 12.
Rev 3: 12
The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of MY GOD and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the Name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD God the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from MY GOD, and My new Name.
If you send the same comment 3 times you are not sure
correct , the Father is the God of the flesh and blood he himself created and wants you to understand this , give glory to the substance , not the form , the spirit , not the flesh , the being , not his manifestation , the creator , not his creation ...however , the form is directly made from Gods very word and has the fulness of the Godhead within him , the only thing Jesus ever claimed to be in him is the Father , God himself , who is holy , who is a spirit , he is then of course a holy spirit and as philippians says in THE FORM of God , the form of something is not the substance of it .......................though its Gods form and not something on its own , which is why Jesus can be worshipped and has all the same titles the Father has etc. Jesus made it plain "i come in my Fathers name" . I don't know what the issue is here? MY GOD , yes , the flesh and blood is not God ... and? thats all Gods showing you by example , Jesus did everything for us by example , God humbled himself , you can fight every scripture you want , Jesus was very clear , if ye believe not I AM HE , ye shall die in your sins , i would advise you to learn what scripture hes quoting and who the IAM and HE that Jesus refers to is , because if you dont believe Jesus to be that being , which isaiah 9:6 knows he is , you're dying in your sins , because anything else is idolatry or denial of Jesus , who is the I AM HE? ...........................................it's the Father , this is why Jesus said before abraham was i AM , because Jesus is the word of God made flesh , Gods word was before abraham , and the bible says the word IS God , God manifest in the flesh timothy says ... better start studying the bible and stop listening to these wolves , they are leading you all to hell like Jesus said they would , and if this doctrines wrong , i bet you a lot of their other doctrine is wrong , stay away from these youtubers and churches , time to study the word for real and find out the truth , your souls on the line .
@onlymyself7225 I'm having alot of trouble reconciling between these two doctrines, please pray for me. I thought the "I AM" statement from Jesus was the end all be all. However, the "I AM" from exodus in the Greek septuagint is different from the "I AM" Jesus uses in John. Exodus is "ho Theos" (I believe) and in John it is "ego eimi".
@@aka.yehoshua ho theos is the greek translation for “the God” literally translated ho-the theos-god. in exodus God says to moses I am That I am, which does not mention the word ho or theos.
Jesus said "I AM the Almighty". He also said that he was on earth and in heaven at the same time.
Revelation 1:8
King James Version
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
John 3:13
King James Version
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
"Only the Father is God; in the New Testament the word God usually applies except for the times when it doesn't"...
To deny him is plainly what the NT calls Anti-Christ.
Who else agrees we really need the two wittiness to come clear some stuff up especially this
The two witnesses are not who we thought they were.
Must watch about the Two witnesses and revelation.
Check this out: ruclips.net/video/qRJ-ncor52A/видео.html
Some people think the "2 witnesses" are the Israelites/Jews and Christians/Gentiles!
Jesus already came..the "faithful and true witness" and he showed us all who his God and Father is. All these deceiving lying hypocrites like Michael Brown and James White trying to say the trinity is the truth do not know the Father and they can not hear the words of Jesus
@Abraham Mani Thanks for sharing! Was Jesus saying he was the Temple?
@Abraham Mani how many times do you have to post this same thing on comments??
Normally, posting your comment once is the accepted mode. Please don't flood the thread like this again.
Philippians 2: 5-7 (NKJV), "...Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."
@Paul Mata Jesus referred to himself as “God’s Son” or “the Son of God.” (John 10:36; 11:4) Jesus never identified himself as Almighty God.
Moreover, Jesus prayed to God. (Matthew 26:39) And while teaching his followers how to pray, Jesus said: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”-Matthew 6:9.
Here, you dropped this:
Philippians 2:9 (NASB) For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
God, as in Yahweh, highly exalted Jesus.
Trinitarians always skip this verse! This is why Dr Tuggy said context is king!
God is the God of all flesh Jeremiah 32. So yes the son will always call the father God from the moment he entered in the flesh. But the father also calls the son God. Hebrews 1.
Easy peezy
@@lizzard13666 Jesus took a form of a servant..
@@arold4928 Yes! When he could have been King and taken power immediately, as per his temptation in the wilderness. Instead Jesus took the form of a servant.
Dr. Brown, I take off my Hat for you.
When they delete your comments, instead of refuting them, you know your right. ~Jesus is God
Bowing down as a sign of respect in the Bible, was not only to God, but to men too, like to Boaz, David, Samuel, Joseph, Esau, king Saul and more...
Only difference is that Jesus was worshipped, these characters however weren't
The apostles would tell men to stand up when they bowed to them because they were only men.
@@tymon1928Jesus was never worshipped. You will find not a single doxology in the New Testament addressed to Jesus. You will notice that Paul only praises God the Father, never Jesus. “Worthy are you, O lamb” in Revelation does not count because it is not worship. Even in that book only the One seated on the throne is adored and worshiped as God. He alone says “I am the Alpha and Omega”. Read Rev 22 very carefully. It clearly isn’t Jesus speaking those words.
Great debate. Thank you Dr. Brown. 🙌🏼🙂🙂🙏🏼
HE DESTROYED!
And thank you Dr. Tuggy! Brilliant work!
This is the first time I've seen a trinitarian debate without getting angry. Dr. Brown did a good job and showed some class something you don't normally see from trinity proponents.
In fact, Dr Tuggy was rather disrespectful and condescending, but Dr Brown rose above the pettiness. Well done, Dr Brown. You brought scripture and correctly interpreted it, unlike Dr Tuggy, who kept on changing scripture, meaning as he went by.
Dr. Brown is full of [well you know what ], I caught him in several contradictions. You heard what you wanted to hear. Right?
Tuggy's arguments are as good as he is charismatic
"One GOD...one Lord"(Adon) [ GOD appointed, granted, sent, resurrected, exalted Jesus]
Both titles were given to Jesus by Thomas
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should strike the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fireceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
Incase anyone missed it, it's the wrath of Almighty God, and he is LORD. ~ The Word of God ~Jn 1:1
@@AndrewGiles688God means mighty one, not Yahweh. He's definitely our god in that he is our king and ruler but he's not the one true god, that being the father, a separate being.
Isaiah
For unto us a child is born unto us a son is given and the government shall be up on his shoulders and his name shall be called wonderful counselor, the mighty God the everlasting father, the prince of peace. Amen
Now tell me who Jesus is again.
Not God. Stop taking the lazy route of only employing the English of an original ancient Hebrew composition. It will get you nowhere with God. The epithets that are ascribed to the child born are not indicative of divinity. Also, is the Jesus “the father” now? Hm…Curious. It’s almost like you will pick and choose which epithets to take literally and which to spiritualize, since you apply this to Jesus. Was Jesus ever called “the father”? Nope. Why? Because he is called a spiritual brother in Hebrews and is implied to be so in Paul’s letter to the Galatians. You are out of your depth. Heed James’ warning: not everyone should become a teacher.
dr brown has dedicated his to studying the word of God thank God for teachers like these .
I respect Dr. Brown. Great teacher.
Dr brown is the absolute best
You don't say - but I beg to differ. He is all over the place - what confusion!!
@@priscillajervey1947 Well it is all over the place in the scriptures. But you all are the last days christians who spend a lot of time in the world and in worldliness but wants to understand this Triune nature of the living God. Father,Son, Holy Spirit. The word and eyewitness was given to our blessed appossles who had gone before us. And that's why when we study the bible we search through the their report of what they saw and what was given to them. Do here John he said they're three that bares record in heaven. And again he said in the beginning was the word. And the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. He that was with God is his blessed SON. Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see curruption. Father glorify me with the glory I had with you from the beginning. Oneness philosophy debunked. That why I quote only what my big brothers wrote because they were eye witness to these accounts. These modern socalled prophet, pastor, evangelist, appossles, in modern times will stand before the Lord for blasphemy and unbelief.
Dr. Brown humbly and gently laid a profound Scriptural case for the divinity of the Son of God! He is a scholar among scholars and has put so much work into building up the body of Christ to the glory of God the Father, to the praise of God the Son, through the power of the Holy Spirit!
I usually dont comment on stuff like this but I watch them all the time. No offense to Dr.Tuggy but to say that John 1:1-2 and then 14 is NOT talking about Jesus is a HUGE stretch! I was shocked by that one!
I think when we take into account Deut 18:18-19, God makes a clear distinction between His word and Jesus, them not being the same thing. The word is God. God puts His word into the prophet (Jesus) to speak on His behalf.
One that always baffles me is when Revelation 1:8 describes Jesus Christ as "Alpha and Omega" and "the Almighty". If one denies the deity of Christ, they MUST discount the plainness of the verse and simplicity to understand it with convoluted explanations and interpretations.
@@ricardoguzman5014Revelation 1:8 is not Christ's originally. He's speaking it as an agent as is stated in Revelation 1:1. Christ isn't speaking of himself until John mentions him in verse 13...
God bless you Dr. Michael Brown.
@Martin Solomon Jewish or Black Hebrew Israelite?
In Jesus Almighty Name AMEN😊
The Father is God - But Jesus Christ is His Son and our Lord - you cannot get to God unless you go through Jesus.........
the son of god created all things that was made.
@@joshjeggs 'In the beginning God/Elohim(Gods) created the heavens and the earth': God (Jehovah Jehovah Isaiah chapter 26 verse 4) Isaiah 45:11-22; Jesus/Word John chapter 1 verse 3, Hebrews chapter 1 verse 10: two men according to (Scripture) the law each has their own material body which is a soul and has a rhuach spirit within him John chapter 8 verses 17-18: Jesus, who had been the Word wearing a God-body Philippians chapter 2nd verse 6, created with his hands; God created Isaiah chapter 45 verses 11-12 with his hands John chapter 8 verses 17-18 one of the two witnesses about Jesus.
@@leonardhunt5677 WRONG
the word is the actual words of God ... not JEsus..
@King J-dub what do feeling have to do with this? No where in the old testament does it speak of a trinity or jesus being the son of God... the first 3 commandments say I am the LORD thy God.
No other gods before me.
No graven images or likenesses.
@@bournrich3353 The writer of Hebrews 1 is speaking of the Son who was.
All things that were made according to the Fathers will and at His command He made through Jesus.
As in all things its from the Father and through the Son.
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
10 He also says,
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”
13 To which of the angels did God ever say,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet”
“He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.“
Revelation 19:13 NASB2020
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Dr.Dale Tuggy: "Some scholars say"
Dr.Michael Brown: "The Scriptures say" He nailed it! Thank you,Dr.Brown I really admire your body of work!
YESHUA- "The Great I AM
See John 9 9 in the Greek and the passage that you referred in Greek.
@(( Christian Man )) Test Paul as a true apostle.
Joseph Smith and many other false prophets also say, "the scriptures say." You are simplifying Dr. Tuggy's postion to try and knock it down. That's a strawman argument. Dr. Tuggy referred both to scholars AND scripture as he gives a better overall context. Which is necessary part of being a good Bible student.
Tuggy is a heretic, and not too rational. He’s making a god in his own image.
AMEN! Keep spreading the Truth and the Good News!
Isaiah 9:6
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
This verse and prophecy clearly speaks to The Trinity and our Saviour JESUS CHRIST! ✝️✡️
WOW! When Dr Tuggy spoke during his introduction it felt cold and calculated but when Dr. Brown spoke, it moved me to tears! To think that God Himself would come down and die for me, and not only that, to take upon Himself the brutal punishment I deserved is a love that is truly divine! Surely, no mere mortal could have walked in thought and in deed without sin and also take upon himself this monumental burden unless he be God! HallelluYAH!
I must caution you to NOT accept a doctrine because it feels better or because it moves you to tears. These are all very subjective things, and they are not a firm foundation upon which true Faith should be founded. God gave us the ability to reason, and we must use it when we worship Him. The truth is that the Holy Scriptures teach us that there is only one true God, Yhwh, and that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are all called Yhwh, the only one true God. The Father sends the Son, and the Father and the Son send the Holy Ghost. The Son entered into His Creation in human flesh at a point in history, He lived a sinless human life, suffered, died, resurrected and ascended, and the Holy Ghost lives in and amongst God's people until Jesus,, the Son in human flesh, returns and He will judge us and restore all things.
Holy Scripture is God speaking to us, and it is sure and trustworthy. Human emotions are not!
@@PrenticeBoy1688 YAHushua is God. I don't decide by feelings, that was just an observation. The witness of scripture is overwhelming concerning the God head of YAH. There is the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error. Tell me please your thoghts concerning the following verse: Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Messiah. (1Co 10:1-4)
@@yosefyahu4778 I think you should re-read my comment, or perhaps read all of it as it appears you didn't do that.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 Oh! My apologies! Amen to that!
@@yosefyahu4778 Thank you for your gracious and brotherly apology. You, and as you pointed out, Dr. Brown demonstrate how Christians are to behave; something I too often struggle to do.
It's important to take our opponents seriously and to read all of what they say to us, to hear them out completely. By doing so, we can more fairly and accurately address their error by the standard of the Holy Scriptures. Let the offence of the Gospel be the only cause of offence to the unbeliever.
Dr. Brown CLEARLY won the debate..... But honestly, are any of us truly learning?? Are we actually taking notes and CHOOSING Wich side is correct, not bc it sounds good, but bbc is true..... ???
I clearly choose our God ! The Holy Trinity! Thank De. BROWN, for helping me and my family understand the beautiful trinity, and it's teachings tru out the WHOLE Bible! 💕
Yes,im trinitarian
clear to you, not to me.
@@Veritas-dq2hs why
@@christopheracosta8398 Because it's nonsense, pagan, breaks all rules of language, and most of all NOT biblical.
@@Thedisciplemike how did you come to that conclusion??😃
Thank you Dr Brown for quoting the teaching of Jesus our Lord, God, King of Kings ❤, The way, the truth, life and the resurrector
Amen
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Numbers 23 -19: God is not a man, God is not a human being; his decisions will not change.
Hosea 11. I am God and not a human.
@@ibrahimalharbi3358 God created everything by himself and he has the power to do anything...so you telling me that God cannot live among men as a man?
@@hdk8727 Man is made in God's image. The relationship between a father and son on earth can be used as an image to infer back to the relationship between Jesus and his father.
@@ibrahimalharbi3358 Not a man that he should lie.
Everyone forgets to finish the sentence. And as we see of the Messiah, there was no deceit in his mouth. ~Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
"He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth."
Dr Tuggy said many times about some versus; the "scholars says".
To me that sounds like the Roman Catholicism, they also says that whatever their "scholars said" .
He only appeals to scholars in cases where the trinitarian believer would be swayed by scholars. The final authority on theology for the unitarian is the scriptures, not 3rd and 4th century converted philosophers.
After reading the comments I honestly can't blame people for being discouraged from believing it's confusing.
After reading Bible it gets more cleared then comments, don't go further then Genesis.
@@hubertagamasu6283 so, you are comparing trying to understand the doctrine of the Trinity to trying to understand Quantum physics? I don't need to understand quantum physics to be saved. but yet, I can't be saved according to Dr. Brown without believing in the Trinity. and how can I believe in it if I don't comprehend it? I have been through a hundred hours of these debates and still no Trinitarian can help make sense of it. and believe me, I am trying.
Yes it certainly can be. I have struggled for a long time tying to derive at some clarity, but in the end I just couldn't excape the cleat words of God and Jesus, setting aside the opposing arguments. Jn 3"16 God Clearly stated he SENT his Son. On the Holy Mt. in the presence of John, Peter & James , God declared that Jesus was his son, the one he loved and approved, and told the three disciples to Listen to him [Jesus]. This is the same declaration Moses stated in the OT regarding a prophet like himself who was to come.. Numerous places in scriptures it states that Jesus is NOW seated at the right hand of God the Father. Theses verses are absolutely CLEART regardless of the so-called many trinirarian proof text. Even though they "appear" to carry weight of the deity of Jesus or a God-man, or God the son [no where in the Bible]. I think I will just go with what Jesus and God say regarding their identity. And save myself some headaches.
@@hubertagamasu6283quantum physics is not true! dude look up Austin Witsit. He’ll straighten up your cosmology real quick. And drop the Pharisee energy, it’s not all that convincing.
Clarifying to me.
Dr. Brown exposed that Dr.. Tuggy must believe in 2 gods, father & son or else we worship, a mere created being.
The Bible clearly reads Jesus is the alpha, the omega, the beginning and the end. Was there before all things were created, and all things were created through him. Jesus is the son is God. Jesus is God.
Before Yeshua was the Savior, GOD who sent Him to SAVE the world is the TRUE SAVIOR!
Hashem God of isreal is the only true God
I thought myself believing in the trinity doctrine, but dr brown just convinced me the trinity doctrine is unscriptural.
Trinity is the truth
You don't read the Bible for your self do you ?? In the beginning God created the heavens and earth. Is this statement true??? Yes or no ???
So col ch 1: 1-20 says Christ created all things. You guys are in a dark place my guy.
@@keeptrying761 can God die?
@@SaveOurChildren7
Yes, if He becomes a man, He can experiance human death. But Gods divine nature cant die of course.
As it says, the Word of God became flesh and suffered in the flesh, as the man Jesus Christ
Thank you dr brown awesome teaching..
The answer to the question @ 2:32:30 - Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME. (Heb 10:5) Also Messiah says: "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I HAVE POWER TO LAY IT DOWN, and I HAVE POWER TO TAKE IT AGAIN. This command I have received from My Father." (Joh 10:17-18) Question: How did Yahushuah raise His own body while being dead?
Not just that he said also Jesus said somewhere in John that destroy this temple and in 3 days I will build it up again
Keep searching for the answer, see the passage of the temple in context based on what the evangelist believed also.
God raised Jesus from the dead by his Spirit.
Romans 8:11 "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
@@iamdenisehiers6719 Test Paul as a true apostle.
@@brenosantana1458 Paul is not a true Apostle?
Dr. Brown was absolutely outstanding in his defense of the Triune God. His Old Testament and Hebrew scholarship truly shone forth in his exegesis and defense of the truth of Jesus divine nature as God Almighty. Amen, doctor. Dr. Tuggy's defense collapsed on itself.
Yeshua the Messiah DIED, and GOD raised Him!
Jesus and the Holy Spirit also raised Jesus from the dead. So says that bible.
Colossians 2:15 (ESV)
He (Jesus) disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them...
Start of presentation/debate 4:00 you're welcome
Wanna smell my fart??
You wanted likes. And only got 1.
Why? Because we can fast forward to it ourselves. But thanks anyway.
@@DjSostre7nah lots of comments like these always get lots of likes just not here that doesn’t mean they all don’t hush
God created the heavens and the earth by His Word with the power of the Spirit
Yes he certainly did.
Numbers 23:19 )God is Not a man nor is he a human so he does not change his mind!!.
That's why christ never lied and never changed his mind. For he did what he came for. Amen brother!!!
@@yonasfesseha4900 Jesus referred to himself as “God’s Son” or “the Son of God.” (John 10:36; 11:4) Jesus never identified himself as Almighty God.
Moreover, Jesus prayed to God. (Matthew 26:39) And while teaching his followers how to pray, Jesus said: “Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.”-Matthew 6:9
@@Azarable yeah he is the unique son of God. Because jesus never said I am God doesn't mean he isn't God. If I say I'm God doesn't make me a God just because I said it. And is it the only way to know if someone is God or not just by claiming his God? I mean who can have the attributes of God except God himself. Like jesus is the beginning and the end the alpha and omega the first and the last. He is the resurrection. He is the king of king and lord of lord. He is the good shepherd. He is the father of eternity. He is THY truth. He is Thy life. He created all things, he accepted worship, He existed before the world was. This are the attributes of God so who can have those attributes except God himself? So if jesus have those attributes what is he saying to us? Its obvious.
Yeah jesus prayed, jesus called the father his God, jesus got hungry, jesus got tired, jesus wasnt all knowing, jesus had all this human nature. Why because he was truly man and truly God the incarnation called the hypostatic union. This all thing u see is based on his human nature. Why did jesus prayed because he became a man. when he became a man why should he stop talking to the father? Prayer is a way of communicating with God. Why did jesus call the father his God because he bacame a man. When he became a man he's not gonna be a hard athiest is he? Why should he stop his relationship with the father? Why should he stop talking to the father? In Jeremiah it clearly states that God is the God of all flesh. So when the son became a man he worships the father in the flesh.
@@yonasfesseha4900 You said it yourself that Jesus (Yeshua) Christ never said he was God (Yahweh). You see?? You just admitted it.
@@yonasfesseha4900 Jesus (Yeshua) Christ made a clear distinction between him and his Father
Does the identity of God have to be “a very profound mystery”? It did not seem so to Jesus. In his prayer to his Father, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ made a clear distinction between him and his Father when he said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.” (John 17:3) If we believe Jesus and understand the plain teaching of the Bible, we will respect him as the divine Son of God that he is. We will also worship Jehovah as “the only true God.”
Jesus (Yeshua) Christ said that “the true worshipers will worship the Father with . . . truth.” (John 4:23) That truth has been recorded in the Bible. (John 17:17) Does the Bible teach that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are three persons in one God?
For one thing, the Bible does not mention the word “Trinity.” For another, Jesus (Yeshua) Christ never claimed to be equal to God (Yahweh). Instead, Jesus worshipped God (Yahweh). (Luke 22:41-44) A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus (Yeshua) called his followers “my brothers.” (Matthew 28:10) Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ-God’s preeminent Son-they too became sons of the one Father. (Galatians 3:26) Compare some additional scriptures with the following statement from the creed attributed to the Council of Nicaea.
Incredible debate, learned a lot from both sides. I think the Trinity still stands from scripture but it was interesting.
Just curious, have you read the Bible all the way through from the beginning without commentary?
Do you also believe pigs fly??
Have you looked at the individual scriptures through a unitarian lense? Have you compared the methodology between the two? Have you compared the logic between the two?
I spent weeks and months looking at the trinity. I prayed about it constantly, in fact I still pray for eyes to see the truth and to be brought to my knees if I am ignorant of the truth.
I concluded with continual prayer, that there is nothing logical or reasonable about the trinity. It's a fallacious logical argument, and once logic and reasoning has left the faculties, you are open to any ridiculous interpretation because you are no longer bound by logic and reason.
I honestly and truly believe with all my heart, if you are a trinitarian you have NOT done any due diligence or intellectually honest investigation in to the doctrine, nor have you compared the line of reasoning to both unitarian and trinitarian conclusion.
The trinity is void of any logic, and trinitarians are okay with that. And that's the biggest problem.
@@TaxEvasi0n if you need to read "individual scriptures through a unitarian lense" in order to reach a unitarian view, then that alone should raise concerns over the doctrine itself.
@@priscillajervey8345
Can you pls explain to me why the description how God created the heavens and the earth and is eternal and never changes from Psalm 102,25-27 is quoted and applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1,10-12. And why God in Isaiah 44,24 and Job 9,8 said, He created heavens and earth alone?
My explanation is that Father, Son and holy Spirit are one triune God that created the heaven and earth alone.
Whats your explanation?
*Psalm 102,25-27*
*1 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.*
[...]
*25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.*
*26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:*
*27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.*
*Hebrews 1,8-12*
*8 But unto the Son he (God, the Father) saith,*
[...]
*10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:*
*11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;*
*12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.*
*Hebrews 1,10*
*And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:*
*Isaiah 44,24*
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, *I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;*
*Job 9,8*
*Which ALONE spreadeth out the heavens,* and *treadeth upon the waves of the sea.*
*Matthew 14,25*
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, *walking on the sea.*
Thank you Dr.Brown! I am currently trying to show my wife how the trinity is true and this is awesome testiment to that.
40 minutes and He Dr Brown already destroyed the debate hahahahahaah
Does Jesus know the hour? No. But you say he does?? Y’all really believe what you want to believe instead of listening to our master Jesus.
@@bstlybengali ok explain this passage then...what does jesus means?
@@bstlybengali Jesus said what he said while he was human on earth. You don't think he does now, after returning to Haven?
Jesus came from heaven because God is literally His Father, He WILL be a son to me and I WILL be a Father to Him, it is the words of Christ that edify ALL others not the other way around and God does not have a God, but Jesus does, and the only way to have eternal life is to know His God is the ONLY TRUE GOD
Listen, even the Roman Centurion could understand.. keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!” (Matt. 27:45-54).
When you pray, say: OUR FATHER, which art in Heaven, hallowed be Your Name...
The same Jesus who said pray to the father also said we should ask anything in his name, John 14:13-14
@(( Christian Man )) Mr " Christian man" this is something for you to think about, you will die in your sins unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins, in the literal Greek it's I Am not I Am he, I wonder whether that I Am has ever echoed something to you
@@sethlubega3153 If you don't believe that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God you will die in your sins. If you believe that he is Christ, the Son of God you will have life through his name. See John 20:31
God made Jesus Lord and Christ
See Acts 2:36
@@iamdenisehiers6719 you mean the same acts that tells you God purchased the church with his own blood acts 20:28, the I AM the Lord Jesus uses in John 8:24 is the I AM God uses to describe himself in Deuteronomy 32: 39 it's I Am without nothing added to , the I AM where the Divine name YAHWEH is derived, mind you in John 1:1 they have already told you the word is God, yes the Lord Jesus is God one with the Father and holy Spirit
@@sethlubega3153 God was in Christ
......but the Father that dwelleth in me ,he doeth the works. See John 14:10
Also, Matthew 12:28
" But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you."
Also Acts 2:22,
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth a man approved by God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you......"
God was in Christ. Amen.
Interesting, Informative, and Intriguing--and above all Inspiring & useful!!! :)
"Son of the LIVING GOD!"
So two Gods
@@PEH5806one God. Multiple gods. Read the scriptures and you will see this terminology clearly.
@@johnyysimmerz
There is no such thing as multiple gods..There No God except One True God
TUGGY out classed big time 😂😂😂😂😂😂
1:34:32 its verses 11 to 13, Dr. Brown misread his notes or jotted it down wrong, but the prayer starts in verse 11.
The problem with Tuggy's argument is that he likes to argue from a philosophical view. Dr. Brown argued strictly from a Biblical perspective. You will not win a theological debate with philosophy- Colossians: 2:8 "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."
difference is,brown is commiting something called gish gallop,meanwhile tuggy is quoting all the verses essentially needed for this topic @@prayingpatriot8018
All I need to know is that Jesus Christ is LORD !! period
Knowledge is nothing to be afraid of.
@Saint Belligerant jude tells us the Jesus led Moses out of Egypt, in Exodus we read The LORD led Moses and his people out of Egypt.
@@mitchelladkins3502 1stCorinthians chapter 10 verse 4 shows Christ follows/doesn't lead Israel out of Egypt.
Exodus chapter 13 verse 21 'the LORD went before them in a pillar of a cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night'.
@One God One Christ 1stCorinthians chapter 10 verse 4 Christ follows/doesn't lead Israel out of Egypt.
Exodus chapter 13 verse 21 'the LORD went before them in a pillar of a cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night'.
One God one Christ
You call the WORD of GOD corupted, why? Because it doesn't fit your cult's fubar doctrine? So let us write our own bible, with our doctrins?
Who is on the throne in Isaiah 6:1?
Gen. 15:1, 4 in the Hebrew reads WORD YHWH came unto Abraham in a vision, WORD YHWH says.to him.
Genesis has all three individuals echad "unified" YHWH, WORD YHWH and MESSENGER YHWH.
Who is Melchizedek in Gen 14:18, Isa 9:6 and Heb. 7:1?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (Joh 1:1-3) LET ME REPEAT: NOTHING WAS MADE THAT WAS MADE! NOTHING! SO WHO EXISTED BEFORE ALL CREATION CAME TO BE? YAHUSHUAH HA MACHIACH!
Why the word is in capital w? Why the word is referred as him?
The word of God, the Logos. No need to assume that John meant Jesus existed as a conscious being before he was conceived.
@@Eclectifying Jesus didn't have part in the creation too, if you don't know.
Deut 18: 18 -19 YHWH clears up Jesus being the word misunderstanding. God put His word inside Jesus to speak on His behalf. Jesus is not the word literally. Genesis 1, God alone, singular, created everything through speaking His word.
Isaiah 44, 45 God alone created everything.
God didn't use Jesus to speak his word until he was born. Hebrews 1. If you say that Jesus is the Word and that he is in the old testament speaking for/as God, then you are saying scripture is wrong and your interpretation is right.
@@jawnatutorow Jesus does ALL the things that only God can do! He creates the world, fights Israel's battles, forgives sins, raises from the dead, gives sight to the blind, causes the lame to walk, destroys the antichrist, need I say more? Look, if a man has a son, is that son any less human than the father even though he is subject to the father? Messiah YAHushuah is of the Father, from the bosom of God the Father, he is NOT a created being. John 1:3 clearly states that NOTHING that was made was made apart from Him! The flesh, the living temple was created and formed within Miriam, this is why it is said: "A body you have prepared for me." (Hebrews 10:5) And also: "Destroy this temple and I WILL RAISE IT UP AFTER THREE DAYS." Here is more witness from the book of Hebrews: (Hebrews 1:1-3 UKJV) God, who at several times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word (o. rhema) of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Notice that a distinction is made between the prophets and God's beloved Son! I suggest you all pray and read the book of Hebrews. YAH bless.
Dearest brother Dr. Michael Brown, truly you have lived up to your God givan name, you are like El, like Christ! The Most Set Apart Ruach shall be with you, always!
The mediator between God and man must also be both God and man! Jesus by His Blood and sacrifice bridges the gap!
What a silly meaningless statement.
1 Timothy 2:5
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the Man Christ Jesus,
But for God it's good and acceptable Man jesus to be mediator🤷🏻♀️
If what you said is correct, that the mediator must be both God and man, why did Paul say specifically "the man"? Why did he not say "the God and man, Jeus Christ"? Surely he would have? Pretty important?
@glenfrazer753 I will ask you this! How is it possible that any human being is capable of not sinning ever not once in thought or in deed! Think about that for a moment! And to add another witness , read this: John 20:28 (WEBM) Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!"
@@yosefyahu4778 To answer your, question, he did not sin because of his perfect obedience. Difficult to imagine, I agree, but it's what God first sought from the first man, Adam. But he failed. The second Adam did not fail. A human who fulfilled the law by not sinning. The whole basis of the atonement is the law being fulfilled by a man. Now back to the question I asked you please. Why did Paul sepcifically say the mediator was "the man", and not help us understand he was both God and man by saying it during this key discussion?
Brown is always crowd conscious and always revert to attack of the person.
What's the confusion here? If God said he made man in his image; but when he comes in the image to reveal himself, now is a problem? 🕵🕵
The authors of the first books in the Bible imagined that God looked like a mighty man
Anthropomorphic
They could imagine nothing more
Later NT writers show God lIving in unapproachable light!
@Mark Metternich Gof did not say that God made man in his image
Early scripture writers assumed that God looked like a mighty King
Neigh even greater
That’s all they could imagine!
@Mark Metternich the problem is if it was HIS IMAGE why would it actually be him and not HIS IMAGE?
Numbers 23 19 YHWH tells us He is not a man or son of man.
He is invisible, He's a Spirit, He dwells in unapproachable light. No man has seen him. Reread Exodus, the people were terrified to even be in the presence of His glory!
Day 6, possibly speaking to/and about Adam and Eve. Since they are the only image we know that looks like us.
Creation account pattern, God states what He is going to do first and then how He does it after. Very easily could be talking to/about His creation Adam. It's the only time God speaks in plural form, even day 7, He rested, singular.
@jawnatutorow
Numbers 23:19 Never said God is not a man. You should always read the scripture the right way. God is making a statement here, Never take a phrase and leave the rest out.
Numbers 23:19 says,
God is not a man that he should lie;
Neither the son of man, that he should repent. Hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall not make it good?
Putting aside the landslide that was this debate it's very clear which one of these men is dead and which one is alive.
It's clear which one is using emotion to push a man made doctrine and which one believes scripture and knows how to read lol
@dutch1995 so true
Dr. Tuggy - thank you so much for this! Dr. Brown is throwing scriptures out, but is not sound in his arguments on a number of points. I am not sure Dr. Brown really even makes a good Trinitarian. Some of his arguing clearly is laced with Sabellianism - Most people are impressed with his throwing up a lot of scriptures and don't realize how unsound Brown actually is. If I were a Trinitarian, I would not depend on Brown for understanding of these things.
Sounds like your a blind sheep.
I disagree
Dr tuggy did terrible. But that’s mostly because scripture refutes his downgrading of Jesus and scripture.
I would urge you not to take away glory from Jesus.
@Dom the best yes. Also God incarnate
@Dom the best your calling the Bible blasphemous then.
I 100 percent agree with Dr Dale Tuggy. The true God of the Bible is the Father alone!
Psalms 83:18
@ 51:11 Dr. Tuggy, the text plainly says that the Word became Flesh! The word also clearly says that Christ created all things! Does no one see the issue here in Dr. Tuggy refuting the plain reading and meaning of the text?
May be this is what u mean by plain reading: God the Son became flesh
@ 45:09 Dr Tuggy states: "As the eminent scholar James Dunn says: There is no evidence that any new testament writer thought of Jesus as actually present in Israels past, neither as the angel of the LORD or as the LORD Himself" Either Dr Tuggy is totally blind because the new testament writers do without a doubt utilize old testament passages that speak of the LORD and apply them to Jesus or he is just outright lying!
Context is key 🗝️
exactly. and Dr. Brown very rarely gives context. skipping from verse to verse to verse means nothing. and then when Tuggy tries to nail him down on the 1 Thess. 3:11-13 he chuffs and says oh well you don't understand the Greek. huh?
Michael Brown at 1:07:40 "I came jealous for a full revelation of the love of God, who demonstrates His great heart for us not by sending a glorified man to die for us, but by giving of His very self, His own Son, His own unique Son, coming into this world."
This sentence makes no sense to me. Brown says the Son of God is God's very self (and not in the sense of someone's child metaphorically being their "heart"). Brown is saying God's Son is God Himself. Why on earth would God use the phrase "Son" rather than simply "Myself"? It makes God seem like He's playing with words to confuse us. Also, the way Brown speaks makes it seem like God sending Himself is a great thing, but God sending the man Jesus (who IS God's Son) is some kind of lesser act to be looked down upon.
Overall great debate.
You need the Holy Spirit to make understand the scriptures brother. Dr Brown is full of the Holy Spirit and the other dude is not, He is just religious not spiritual.
@@ndjibukabengele973 Nah. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that the Holy Spirit should contradict reason/logic/language.
God says son because God is not the flesh itself , he is the spirit manifest IN the flesh , as scripture says , God wants you to understand the difference between his form and his substance ... God is not a human being , God manifest in a human he created by making his word flesh , something we cant do , sure , but all in scripture . The Father , created the form , the form is a man , whats the most fitting title.... son , is it not? God is not the form , the man , he is the substance within it , who , created it , its all Gods , which is why it can be equal to God , known as God , its his visible image and express image of his person , his word , his name , i might have God in me now but im not all those things , there is a difference made between us as a man and Jesus as a man and of course the form and the substance .
philippians 2 will help you understand this more , and so God humbled himself it says and took on THE FORM of a servant , Jesus made claims only God can make plenty of times , he revealed himself plainly , before abraham was i am , destroy this temple in three days i will raise it up , im alpha and omega , if ye believe not i am he ye shall die in your sins , all of this says who he is , the jews were not confused by his claims , they simply didnt believe him , they said they wanna kill him because "being a man thou makest thyself God" ...clearly they knew Jesus was telling them hes the Father , and when philip was confused , he made it plain , you see me , you seen the father , i and my father are one , from henceforth ye know him and have seen him .
people can find fancy ways to explain all this , its plain and simple speech .
@@onlymyself7225 amen brother. helped me understand it more than most youtube preachers who desperately try to differentiate the father and son. meanwhile i always viewed it simply as u stated, the perfect manifestation of the lord god in the flesh. His word and essence made flesh. god did not leave heaven to dwell among us, his word was made into flesh and dwelt among us. His very own son whom he loves because in essence it is him, eternally coexistant with him, everything made through his word and spirit. that’s why jesus will send the spirit from the father as the mediator between man and god; the god man. He will send the spirit from the father. He will raise himself up. and he commands his spirit into his fathers hands. beautiful
Dr. Brown Gotcha moment at Dr. Tuggy 1:35:34 When asked about 1 Thessalonians 3:13!
Yes! This was one of my favourite moment too! There is no praying to God + Jesus under one "he" here!
Dr Tuggy did such a calm and reasonable job of considering the claim, and then just reading the context of the verse!
@@lizzard13666 1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 is kind of ambiguous. In those verses Paul makes the distinction of God the Father being God and Jesus being Lord (not God). But he goes on to say to that church about certain things he want for both Jesus and God to do for them. Confusing.
@@uncertainty7421 Thanks for your reply! I just had a read of 1 Thes 4 to investigate. I read the NIV version, and I think it's a little clearer maybe, see if you like my explanation:
In verse 1 they are told to live to please God, who is Yahweh (the Father) according to the previous passage. V1 goes on to tell them to do this "in Lord Jesus". Verse 2 elaborates a bit further and shows that Jesus gave the disciples the authority to pass on these instructions. Here's another verse to back this idea up:
John 17:18 (NASB95) “As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
Back to 1 Thess 4. V3 states that it's God's will (still the Father in context) that they should be sanctified, see the verse before my previous reference:
John 17:17 (NASB95) “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.
Verse 5 is God as in Yahweh again.
Verse 6 is where "The Lord" will punish people. This is Jesus who will do the punishing/judging:
John 5:22 (NASB95) “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,
Jesus was given the role of judge by Yahweh.
1 Thess 4:8 is a really interesting one. If we reject the disciples words here, we aren't rejecting "a human being, but God". This seems to suggest by inference that God can't be human, so it further supports the fact that all instances of "God" in this passage are Yahweh. So who gives the Holy Spirit then, because Jesus said he would send it right? Well read this carefully:
John 15:26 (NASB95) “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,
Jesus is sending it, but it is from Yahweh, the Father. The Spirit actually proceeds from Yahweh, not Jesus, but Jesus has been given the authority to send it to his disciples.
I hope my analysis helps, if there's any other confusing points feel free to bring them up!
@Abraham Mani How do you know that it was Jesus and the holy spirit you seen? No one knows what Jesus looks like. The holy spirit can't be seen. How do you know the voice of God and of Jesus?
yep, Tuggy nailed him down on that one and he tried to wave it away saying something to Tuggy about not understanding the Greek. ha. Brown just spits out verse after verse without ever digging deep. context is not his friend.
This may help those wondering about the death of Messiah: Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body you have prepared for me; (Heb 10:5)
I can’t believe Michael said that he believed that Jesus didn’t die!
Jesus the fully man die but the Spirit did not die. Jesus is fully God and fully man
Ladislao Melgar so if his spirit didn’t die how is our spirit saved?
@@dhodzmelgar2933 fully man and fully god. Fully square yet fully circle. The cake is there but you ate it. Complete left yet completely right. Anything else?
I believe he was attempting to express that necessity and obviousness of the death of Jesus's flesh but not his supernatural expression of eternal existence. As a point of explanation:
Matt 10:28: "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul, but instead be afraid of the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Matt 27:50: "And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and gave up his spirit"
At least what I take away from this is that the spirit is not dead upon the death of the physical body, and this was expressed euphemistically on the cross when Jesus "gave up his spirit". The obvious purpose was to resolve and declare the termination of Jesus' physical life -- as a secondary proceeding, we see that Jesus' physicality is declared dead but not his spirit. The incarnation died, the Son did not die.
If you're left with the lingering question of spiritual death too, I suppose that's a part of the whole -- Jesus defeated death, because He was singularly qualified and capable of it due to his sinlessness. I don't think I'm straying into some heresy I'm aware of by speculating that perhaps by the nature of His eternal and uncorrupted existence, He was unable to be "reaped" into the destruction of His soul in addition to His body when he departed the physical realm into the spiritual realm [described as Sheol/Hades in the text]. So upon resurrection, He brought life back into His former mortal coil.
Thus physical death, the shedding of blood to redeem as a sacrifice, and then the resurrection to defeat death by defying its power over Him..
Apologies for the stream of consciousness! Hope this was in some way useful.
Tyler Smith thank you for the response, I understand your point of view. If it helps here is a link to what I believe and hopefully you can understand my dilemma a little better.
www.pursuegod.org/hebrew-word-study-nefesh/
Amazing!!! Dr Brown MOPS the floor with the unitarians. His learning and passion is inspiring.
Brown doesn't fare well with Rabbi Tovia Singer.
@@nasdaqua yes he does
@@nasdaqua Tovia refuses to debate Dr. Brown
LOLZ. Greg Stafford would wipe the floor with Brown using the Bible.
@@nasdaquaDr. Michael Brown defeated Sexual Predator Singer years ago.
I found tuggys arguments elegant and clear Micheal brown did well too.
Elegant but unbiblical; he made too many self-contradictory statements. Maybe some understanding of the Greek would help him. Dr. Brown has exegetically explained scriptures in context. In fact; he had to repeatedly educate & correct Mr. Tuggy.
@@prayingpatriot8018 I agree with you. I would say that Tuggy’s strongest argument is the one about not finding worship of the Holy Spirit in the text. What do you think about that one?
The one about not finding controversy about the Trinity in places like Acts is interesting too for sure, but it comes to mind the moment when Jesus said “I am” and the Jews picked up stones to stone Him. That seems to have been pretty controversial. Also, there’s some people that say Colossians was partly written to correct misconceptions about Jesus, and of course there’s a couple passages there that testify to His deity.
The others are just wrong and based on assumptions, even though he says his procedure was free of them.
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Yes too much logic and no inspiration coming from the scriptures, He is a kamikaze.
@@ndjibukabengele973 There is plenty of logic and inspiration coming from the scriptures. Yet certainly not from Tuggy. The problem is people who don't read the Bible in context, will never understand His Mighty Eternal Word.
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Amen brother, I totally agree with you.
If the debate wasn't over before, it ends at 1:25
That was a good one! Congratulations Dr. Brown!
Thank You So much👌
@Abraham Mani amen
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One! Deut 6:4
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 1 Tim 2:5
Jesus said to her, "...'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'" John 20:17
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort. 2 Cor 1:3
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. Acts 3:13
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Cor 11:3
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!" Luke 9:35
I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Chosen One of God. John 1:34
Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead." Eph 1:4
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. Rom 10:9
God raised Jesus
Jesus he will raise himself
= Jesus is God
Dr. Tuggy is very confused,whenever he is cornered he resorts to saying it's Dr. Brown who is misinterpreting the verse.
Dr. Brown had the spirit of God with him,on the other hand, Dr. Tuggy is struggling to answer very simple questions.
I think Brown explained everything correctly. Tuggy on the hand, is teaching a false gospel.
Thanks for Dr. Brown for handling the debate with gentleness
I disagree. In addition to disagreement I don't know Dr. Brown's heart but I feel he is sneaky and deceptive. I personally know people Like Dr. Brown who are lawyers and they act the same way as Dr. Brown. To them it's about winning at any cost no matter if they have to twist the truth. Yah forgive me if I'm wrong about him. 🙏
You’re probably wrong, and bias, since you didn’t comment on how sarcastic and mocking his opponent was.
@@MatrxBstrYes, Dr. Brown is a Jew. A sneaky, Machiavellian, deceitful Jew. I believe that's what you meant to imply.
He's also a regenerate, born again Christian who defends the Biblical Christian Faith with love and gentleness. Dr. Tuggy, on the other hand, is arrogant, dismissive and sarcastic.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor free; nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28 CEB
“Go in through the narrow gate. The gate that leads to destruction is broad and the road wide, so many people enter through it. But the gate that leads to life is narrow and the road difficult, so few people find it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you dressed like sheep, but inside they are vicious wolves. You will know them by their fruit. Do people get bunches of grapes from thorny weeds, or do they get figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, and every rotten tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit. And a rotten tree can’t produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, you will know them by their fruit. “Not everybody who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter. On the Judgment Day, many people will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name and expel demons in your name and do lots of miracles in your name?’ Then I’ll tell them, ‘I’ve never known you. Get away from me, you people who do wrong.’ “Everybody who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise builder who built a house on bedrock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the wind blew and beat against that house. It didn’t fall because it was firmly set on bedrock. But everybody who hears these words of mine and doesn’t put them into practice will be like a fool who built a house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the wind blew and beat against that house. It fell and was completely destroyed.”
Matthew 7:13-27 CEB
Good job to both Dr. Tuggy and Dr. Brown. Nice to see a trinity vs. unity debate where nobody gets angry, that hardly ever happens. Unfortunately, Dr. Brown lost all credibility for me when he said that εγω ειμι is equivalent to Hebrew 'ehyeh', because he should know that the translation of 'ehyeh' in the LXX is Ο ΩΝ, not ΕΓΩ ΕΙΜΙ.
Αs a greek person I can tell you that Εγώ ο Ων means Ι who exists, pretty similar to Εγώ ειμί which means I am
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness, God was manifested in the flesh...1 Tim 3:16
Mistranslation even by your hero Michael Brown n James white boy White
@Corey: My bible doesn't say that in 1 Tim 3:16 [ depends which bible you are reading ]
@@david2358 kjv
@@david2358 what version are you reading?
The word ‘God ‘ was added in the eighth century
The text says ‘who’ was manifest in the flesh!
I really appreciate Dr. Brown! Explaining the trinity in such an amazing patient way. Amen!
The Trinity is a deviation from bible truth.
He did explain the trinity indeed, but he did not explain the bible and how it crushes the trinity plainly in many verses.
@@benjamina6915 how can he explain these supposed verses when they don't exist
@@dimitris_zaha exactly, and then one has to wonder why so many christians take something for granted that doesn't exist in the bible. We rather believe men's words than God's Word.
@@benjamina6915 I mean there's not a verse that crushes or even remotely damages the Trinity, almost every objection comes from misunderstanding the Trinity
Dr. Dale Tuggy seems very calm. He seems to not get angry or upset.
But on the other hand there seems to be some sort of condescension and frustration with his opponent in cross-examination. Sometimes calmness can come across as very smug and passive aggressive.
He’s calm because he knows he’s right.
ruclips.net/video/eAvYmE2YYIU/видео.html
I really enjoyed this I'm actually an agnostic person just here to inform my self. I like both of them very intelligent individuals. In my personal opinion I think Dr. Tuggy sometimes takes a cynical stance disguised as calm. Like some atheist or cientist or physicists tend to do when talking about religion. I can understand why Dr. Brown gets a little frustrated. But in the end both of them managed to keep the debate civil and interesting.
Pat Riley...Dr Tuggy seems calm because his soul hs been seared, he is a tool of Satan, so of course what he lacks in the truth he can push in persona.....he reminds me of Bert Erhman - same spirit of deception
Tuggy needs deliverance and the gospel.
Dale Tuggy argues that Jesus is not divine because Colossians 1, John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 say all things were made ‘through’ Jesus and Dale Tuggy says that word means Jesus was an instrument and that the Father is the ultimate source and therefore the real God.
The Greek word in Colossians 1, John 1:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 which is translated as ‘through’ is: διά
This argument by Dale Tuggy can easily be shown to be nonsense and false by Romans 11:36 where it says all things are made ‘through’ (same Greek word: διά ) God the Father/Yahweh.
Therefore, according to Dale Tuggy, if he’s going to be consistent, the use of that exact same word ‘through/διά’ in Romans 11:36 must mean God the Father was an instrument used by someone else. This is nonsense.
The Greek word ‘διά’ is also sometimes translated simply as ‘by’.
This argument by Dale Tuggy either shows his ignorance of this, or he’s being dishonest by concealing this information which would destroy his argument. Neither of those is good.
Ooh, if only they had invited you to debate, too!😂
Modalist Protestant heretics like Dr. Brown are the reason why Tuggy exists. This clown embarrasses himself not knowing who are the persons who are the subjects in the verses he quoted & constantly blasphemes the Father YHVH. Despicable...
A great point, brother.
Both Brown & Tuggy are heretics, so stop being 1 sided. How about attacking Protestant Brown on his Modalist heresy & blasphemy against the Father or ignorance of Scripture?
@@Jrce11 John 17:3
Love these two speakers so much!
No hate to my trinitarian friends, I use to be a trinitarian all my life. There’s a lot of research to do so if you all are up for dabbling in Greek, go for it!
It’s wonderful to know that when the Bible says our God is one, we can believe it.
All love I dont want to argue but what about John 8:58, revelation 2:23 Jesus literally says basically the same thing that God says in Jeremiah 17:10. John 16:25-31. If you see John 16;25-31 Jesus says he came from God and "again" is going back to God or with God and that relates to John 1:1.
From genesis to revelations the Trinity exists, God, Elohim, plural, let “us” make man in “our” image. Let us (plural) confuse there language gen 11:7 and the lord (single) confused there language gen 11:9.
Genesis 18:1-2
Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day. When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth,
“Now the Lord appeared to him” and “When he lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing opposite him” the Bible is lettered with the Trinity tell me if you want more verse I figured I’d just give you a few from genesis
@Mick Erikson so do I our lord our God is one
@Mick Erikson you just don’t understand the Trinity and you think I believe in three Gods, that’s wrong I bro lie with in one God just the way the Bible explains the Trinity. I gave you verses so exegete those verses don’t give me other verses if you can prove my verses wrong
@Mick Erikson like I said you can’t prove that biblically you have just been taught some heretical teaching, and you will die in your sins because of it.
Exodus 3:14 God says I am who I am
Jesus says in
John 8:58 before Abraham was “I am”
And in 8:24 he says if you do not believe I am he you will die in your sins.
Prove to me that he is not God using the Bible, don’t just yap
John's Gospel makes it clear that the Logos never had a beginning. "In the beginning was the word.....The imperfect, indicative, active third person singular to be verb "Was, ἦν" uncontrovertibly is a continuous past tense. The prepositional phrase "In beginning Ἐν ἀρχῇ is locative. What John is saying, according words and the grammar, is that the word already was there prior to anything which had a beginning. Also note what John says in verse 3 of the same chapter, "All things came into existence through him and without him not one thing has come into existence, which has come into existence." Dr. Tuggy is saying that God the Father must have created the word, Jesus, but this is impossible because as VS one states that the word never had a beginning and that EVERYTHING which exist was created through him. If everything was created through him, could he have had a part in creating himself? Paul states the same (Col. 1) only he uses the definite article "All things" to make it crystal clear. He also borrowed this phrase from earlier Greek writings. The readers knew absolutely what John and Paul was saying. You can say you don't believe it, but you can't say that is not what it says.
Dr Brown quotes the Hebrews yet no one now knows who authored the Hebrews, except for God, of course.
Mark Metternich, People decided what should go in the cannon. There were many gospels used by set of different Churches that did not make it to the Cannon. Only the teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him) should be in the Cannon. Jews have what God revealed to the Prophets (Peace be on them all). We, Muslims, have word for word of God in the Qur’an and the knowledge and inspirations that God gave to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) in Hadith. Apart from these two what other people say no matter how big of scholars they are would not carry much weight compared to Qur’an and Hadith.
Even worse than that!
Hebrews takes two OT scriptures addressed to God and readdresses then to Christ!
Breathtaking deceit!
If you liked this consider other shenanigans
Hebrews 1v8 readdresses Psalm 45 VVIPs 7-10 to Christ but note the psalm uses the word ‘god’ in lower case and readdresses it to ‘God’ in higher case!
Verse 10 is a ‘give away’
The daughters of Kings are your lovely wives’
This passage in Psalm 45 refers to marriage of the the daughter of the King of Tyre to the Davidic King!
Trinitarians are shameless
The deception continues to verse 10
jabrien@africaonline.co.zw
@J DV it proves that the book of Hebrews attributed to Paul may not be reliable. More importantly, Paul is not an authorized person. After Jesus it would be his disciples
So funny how he read out the 1 Thessalonians 3:13 reference, and immediately destroyed Dr Brown's bad reading by simply reading the surrounding verses 🙌
1 Thessalonians 3:11-13 (NASB) 11 Now may our God and Father Himself and Jesus our Lord direct our way to you; 12 and may the Lord cause you to increase and abound in love for one another, and for all people, just as we also do for you; 13 so that He may establish your hearts without blame in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.
Verse 11 establishes that the Father=God, and Jesus=Lord, as separate entities.
Verse 12 asks that the Lord (Jesus) make us abound in love.
Verse 13 says "so that he (Jesus) may establish your hearts ... before our God and Father (Yahweh).
Read it back with this in mind ... it makes much more sense this way!
Great response by Dr Tuggy to go to the passage and read it out!
1:35:00 is the time he goes to the Bible verse about it!
@Thoska Brah I've got a riddle for you:
Could Jesus pre-exist if he didn't pre-exist?
Wow Michael Brown smoked him 😮
His Jewish background gives him perspective that the other guy doesn’t have!
So many quotes in the NT from the OT. Quotes about Yahweh applied to Jesus!
We definitely know the NT authors believed Jesus is God!
All throughout the Genre Bible (OT) the prophets and the Psalms...they write prophetically that God is my Salvation. (PS. 68:19, PS. 35:3) "I am your salvation". He was announcing it - He alone would be the Savior! The One who created all things and in whom ALL things hold together. The Name JESUS means (the Lord is Salvation) Him alone, not an exalted man! Look at Proverbs 30:4...the question is WHO? They share the same true Name..notice bible says..baptize them in the Name of the Father Son and HS...Name, not Names! Bc they are One! If God could dwell in man made tents in the OT..could He not have prepared His own Human tent and dwelled fully within it?! I stand with scripture and Dr Brown's understanding of it. Great debate! Thank you gentleman! 🙌🏻
El Gibborim is used in Eze 32:21 for a group of men. Every one of them is an El Gibbor. It is factually inaccurate for Dr Brown to assert El Gibbor as an exclusive title for Yahweh.
That is lie as it states "ḡib·bō·w·rîm ’ê·lê," while Isaiah 9:6 states "gib·bō·wr ’êl"
@@JuanLopez-rl7ry Ele/Eli is spelled the same way as Eli in Psalm22:1 in Hebrew. The root word is El. Just look at Biblehub H410. So it is not false just same word, but can be used as singular, plural or adjective.
May God the Father blessing, love and truth be with you, in Lord Jesus Christ Name, Amen!❤️
@@yeahwheey1Yeah your right only difference is one is singular and one is plural it's still the same basic word, like in english we have hat and hats, slightly different spelling still same basic word in meaning.
El gibbon is a ‘red herring ‘
The event being referred to in Isaiah 9 was the birth of a Davidic King and the words the Heavenly Council would use to greet his birth!
Some Christians have readdressed these words to Christ!
Incorrectly!
But they keep doing it!
@@johnbrien6313 LOL! David was buried for 275 years when Isaiah prophesy 9:6. After Solomon the kingdom was devided. A Davidic king would ruled all Isreal not just Judah. 60 years later you're in captivity and ruled by 4 beast empires then Jerusalem was made desolate for 1878 years. Dan. 9:24-27 happened with the last week still to play out. Your Temple stones still remain thrown down crying out "a plase for trumpeting" if I recall correctly.
JESUS is the only canidate being from the line of Jesse>David>Nathan on the seed of the woman side and the laws of inheritance on Joseph's line Jesse>David>Solomon. GOD is not a nan such as HE would lie. It all went down to the day and hour. HIS will be done.
Some Christians still do? Isa. 9:1-6 is quoted as being fulfilled in Mat. 4:11-16. I'm happy your not associating yourself with Christianity, we'll consider you a mission field.
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@@hubertagamasu6283Then at what point Jesus became God? Since he was a man when he was in the world.
@@suleimanallison7680 Who said Jesus became God? Jessus is God become man. Read Philippians 2.
Which part of Philippians do you not understand? Jesus who was in the nature of God, to the nature of a human servant. As a servant, would the Father not be greater than him? As a human servant, will the Father not be his God?
See Our latest Letter for better understanding! @@hubertagamasu6283
Christ was sent by Father GOD and was part of Father GOD, being the Angel of GOD'S presence, in Exodus! See Our latest Letter 11/13/2023!
No one gets to the father unless they get to the son, and no one gets to the son unless the father draws them to him
Numbers 23 -19:God is not a man, God is not a human being;
his decisions will not change.
Hosea 11. I am God and not a human.
Dr Brown is not only sound in biblical doctrinal approach but also being an intellectual.
why i see always the debaters that defend CHRIST, full of the SPIRIT speaking so fluid to the point that the debate even looks unfair...is like an adult debating a little child....
Because before accepting trinity, one must throw rationality out of the window and accept emotional feelings. I agree with you. I see that too. They are too emotional rather than talking in a scholarly way. But it's not their fault. Actually they can't rationally about trinity which is itself irrational concept. Even people gets hyped when they are drunk or on drugs. Christian debaters are like them.
The meek shall inherit the earth
@@One-rr8um I'm concerned that you may have exalted your human rationality above God and his Word. He is not to be made a slave to your understanding, but your understanding is to be made subject to Him.
God is not irrational and he's very plain about his own limitations and attributes throughout the Bible. At some point if he was 3 people then he would have brought it up.
@@dutch1995 The level of hubris it takes to assert what God would or wouldnt do is astounding.
Dr. Tuggy is right about there being two different types of Trinitarians. Some think of God as being 3 literal Persons which sounds like Tri-Theism while Dr. Brown tends to focus more on the Oneness of God's Being as an Individual Being by saying, "I," "Me," "He", and so forth. I believe that many professing Trinitarians just give the Trinity idea "lip service' by throwing out the words "3 persons" and "the triune God" and so forth while thinking a lot like us Oneness Pentecostals.
Global Impact Ministries
You don't even know what tri-theism is. ha!
Tri-theism by definition means three gods, not 3 persons. Modalism is the belief in one God, one person, three different modes or manifestations.
@@rustyshadow7 Does each alleged divine person have his own distinct mind, will, and personal self consciousness?
Agreed. Trinitarianism is unlivable. Trinitarians seem to be unitarians 99% of the time. The 1% trinitarian mode only shows up when they are asked about it, and then the confusion begins.
Truly indeed.. The ONLY ONE TRUE God is the Father..
YHWH is God but yet Yahushua is God the same.to say otherwise you have to ignore half the of the Bible. Be careful what you say.
@@ChaseSepulvado please explain when you say half of the Bible? Be interesting how much of the bible states that JESUS IS GOD!!!!
Chuck Graham
It states Yeshuah is GOD from Genesis to Revelation. You must know HIM to see HIM.
The Father with His Son and The Holy Spirit. (John 1:1-3; 1 John 5:5-9; 2 Thessalonian 13:14)
the ONE G-D IS ETERNAL...there is no other.
The Unitarian Unassembled: The Scriptural Dismantling of Dr. Tuggy.
Dr.Tuggy your talk make sense .
Jesus Is God😊
Boom- domination by Dr. Brown! Love pours out of Dr Brown when he shares, contempt definitely pours out of this other guy.
If you follow Dale's logic, instead of your emotionalism, you would might learn something.
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Yeah I agree, tuggy argument was very dull, at the end when he read his pre written conclusion statement, that Brown did not answer his questions... that to me summed up his dishonesty.
Jesus has a Father who is God. I have that same Father and God as my brother Jesus. God never called any man "brother". Get a 10 year old child to read John 17:1-3, John 20:17 and Rev. 3:12 and explain it to you. The trinitarian church that I belonged to from birth tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of God loving people over the 1700 years of its anti-Christ's existence.
The problem is that when people who aren't well versed in these types of arguments usually fall back on who was more charismatic and assertive rather than actually vetting the information presented. Of course if the things that merely appeal to your emotions is the deciding factor of choosing a victor than Michael Brown wins. If it's no nonsense scriptural arguments then Tuggy wins.
Great work Dr. Brown! 👍🏻🤗
We just need to keep Brown out of Benny Hinn's pockets.
Rick Huntling - would you like us to look at your life and judge you? You don’t know EXACTLY what goes on in Dr. Brown’s life do ya?
Well he gave the thief and sexual abusing Jim Baker the same indorsment. There is truth in you become the company you keep. Brown judges John MacArthur for the sake of book sales and $$$. It's all about $$$. Ask the Doc. the same question and accuse him of. It seems to me your the judge and jury.
Rick Huntling take a look at your first comment. I won’t play your game. God bless you and may you walk in peace with everyone.
Desere Makaroff
Benny Hinn makes Christianity a laughing stock not to mention the 100s of millions $ conned from sick and crippled believers he robs. Brown sold himself to the devil and was paid handsomly by both his thiefs. John MacArthur would never appear on their shows and validate those ministries.
Young girl. Advise for Brown to stay clear of thieves is not judgment. Go back to school, your unlearned, btw.
One God and father and one LORD Jesus