I was living in just outside of Jacksonville, FL at the time. There was an actual snow storm that day/night that knocked out the cable and power. First time it had snowed in Florida in 100 years. Well, we had electricity but lost the cable tv to the storm. I was 12 and a huge Browns fan. Born in Cleveland. Anyway, we found a random AM radio station that was broadcasting the game. My dad, my brother and I all sat around the radio and listened to the game. What a memory.
This '89 Browns team is so interesting. There's this with Mack, their week 1 win in Pittsburgh which ended up being that franchise's largest defeat ever, there's the Matthews INT on the goal line to beat the Bills in the playoffs and another championship game falling just short vs Denver
@@yusefinc1096 The Browns were still a good team in '89, but I was surprised that it turned out to be the end of the line for that particular group as a contender (although that was the first year that I feel that the Broncos were the better overall team in the conference title game than in the previous two). If the 1987 strike doesn't happen (the Browns/Broncos matchup was the regular-season game which was wiped from the schedule) and Kosar's elbow doesn't get wrecked (I don't think he was ever the same after that) in '88, I believe the Browns would've qualified for the Super Bowl at least once (the Browns unable to stop Elway wasn't a failure by any means, as he was a transcendent player, although I think Dan Reeves clearly got carried away with Elway's ability to pull mediocre teams up by their bootstraps:-).
Great story, but you failed to mention Clay Matthews' boneheaded lateral after recovering a fumble that led to the Oilers' second touchdown. Mack saved Matthews' bacon that night.
Matthews had done that before and it worked but not this time. If I remember right the next play was the TD pass that gave Houston the lead . And the tv cameras zeroed in on Clay on the sideline immediately .
I was at that game (Oilers goal line seats to watch the Mack run) and it seems to me that Clay made a great play soon after that. Fortunately it was in the Dome, because Houston had snow and freezing temps that weekend. Frozen pipes everywhere. Mack's run could not be fully appreciated on video. I never saw anything like it before or since.
As a Browns fan I remember this. Instead of calling it a comeback story , I would call it a redemption story. Mack had let down his teammates, the organization and its fan s. But on that winning drive the guy morphed back into the Mack Truck. He was unstoppable. He just plowed through the Oilers who portrayed themselves as tough guys after their coach Jerry Glanville. Mack basically said Try and stop me and they were totally helpless.
The Browns were actually the first team the Cowboys called during the 1989 season when they wanted to trade Herschel Walker. The Browns were interested in getting him because of the Kevin Mack situation. However, they weren’t able to get Walker because they didn’t have a first round pick in 1990 that the Cowboys insisted on being part of the deal. And I hate to be That Guy who tells you how to do your videos, but this would have been a lot better if you said Mack stayed clean after the game. You merely mentioned how his career continued for four years afterwards.
Well yeah, but the fact that he played for years after that pretty much makes it obvious that he either did stay clean, or at least if he did some of that good stuff, he didn't get caught.
There's an article out today about how Mack helped his former teammate Reggie Langhorne realize he had an alcohol problem and took Langhorne to the clinic to clean up.
What a great story. Kevin was a really good player, and I didn't know the Browns got him in the supplemental draft. BTW when it comes to cocaine in the NFL in the 1980's, I just assumed everyone was at some point involved no matter who it was. It was that bad. So many careers derailed by cocaine. The 49ers had a cocaine problem in 1982. Years later, John Taylor of all folks had a cocaine issue for a minute. I feel like due to the romanticism of the NFL at this time, this was a saga people either forgot, or just don't know about.
I agree; it seemed to hit certain teams particularly hard (Bengals, Buccaneers, Chargers, Dolphins), but all 28 teams had a widespread cocaine issue, as did of course society at large.
Love your channel. Always something interesting. I have a recommendation for a topic-how one freak interception cost the 2011 Bears a shot to make a playoff and possible Super Bowl run. They were in the midst of a 5-game winning streak, and Jay Cutler, playing perhaps the best football of his career, was injured chasing down a defender who only had the ball because Johnny Knox couldn’t haul in a fairly pedestrian pass. Also at the time, the Bears’ defense was on fire, and the NFC was up for grabs despite the Packers’ solid year-a wildcard team ended up winning it all that year (Giants-good but certainly beatable, could have been Chicago given the same opportunity). Cutler’s injury also likely propelled Tim Tebow from just a nice story to playoff winner, as the Broncos almost surely do not beat the Bears in Week 14 with Cutler at the helm (they barely beat them even with atrocious play of Chicago’s backup QBs). Cutler returns in 2012 never quite the same, and the Tebow mystique is cemented into the collective consciousness.
The 80’s Browns would have had at least one Super Bowl (maybe two) if we could have beaten the Bronco’s. The Drive, the Fuble, urgh… Anyhow, we had stars such as: Bernie Kosar Keven Mack Ozzie Newsome Earnest Byner Eric Metcalf Webster Slaughter All amazing players. And don’t forget we went 12-4 in 1985, and made it to the National Championship 3 times in the 80’s. The modern Browns totally have a shot at being as good, we went 11-5 and won a playoff game finally. And I think we can make the division this year.
I’ve always had a soft spot ever since I was really little for the Browns. Even as a Green Bay fan I always really liked them, though I have no idea what caused me to. While I seriously doubt they‘ll be champions, I hope they make it again. It’s awesome seeing “lower tier” teams making the dance now. Who knows? Give it another year or two with the right development? You very well could be. I think the Brown’s will just need a little more time
I just always think what it would've been if the move never happened. In 95 they were highly favored then the collapse once the word got out! Thank you great video & channel!!
I always think , what happens if they don't go after Rison, and just Move Eric Metcalf to WR. We all know Art had to take loan out to sign Rison, then claimed poor to move team. Metcalf had a great year at WR for ATL, Rison, sucked for us. Bill B stays HC in Clev, the foundation that would go on to set tone for Baltimore D is left to flourish in Cleveland, And Cleveland Rules NFL for next 20 years!!!!!
@@chrisbradick667 Metcalf was the ultimate weapon! Rison was a bone head i was kinda high on Rison when they got him but that high got blown quickly! Modell screwed the whole state! They Browns would've dominated the division and the league! There move is a huge trauma in my childhood!!
Kevin mack was my boy in tecmo bowl🙂. I watched kevin mack roll into my suburban cleveland condo complex as a kid almost daily to chill with a single female......🤔 tollis parkway broadview heights. He drove reeeeeeel slow.
1985: Browns at 8-8 make the playoffs while the 11-5 Broncos don't. Also, the Browns gave Miami all they could handle in the playoffs actually leading 21-3 in the 3rd quarter.
took a while for me to fully understand seeding, I never understood why the WFT was 7-9 but got the fourth seed, then I learned it was because they won their division
Tells you how bad the AFC Central was in 85!! Steelers sucked, Oilers sucked, and Bengals sucked. Those three teams had 3rd, 9th and 11th picks in the 86 Draft. That's terrible!!
i would say when you’re down 9 and you score a touchdown late in the game (making you down 3), it is completely stupid to try for a 2 pointer because you gain nothing if you succeed, considering the extra point would do the same thing with less margin of error, and if you fail, a field goal ties it instead of winning it
"Team Doctors" dont do much after the surgery other than to do a 5 minute evaluation and say "keep it up" or "Do better". The Atheltic Trainers, Physical Therapists and Strength Coaches are who could have helped his knee rehab the most. Its a small detail, but it shows respect for what those people do.
Yeah, the Prison medical center definitely wouldn't have those guys on staff. They do have a doctor who will do quick evaluations and say "you're not dying."
For every good story there is a legit horror story too. Dexter Manley of Washington was one of the best DE's ever... Coke ruined him and he got a lifetime ban from the NFL... Incredibly, he was allowed a comeback years later... (with the Cardinals) and relapsed and retired immediately. Often wonder what ever happened to that guy after he retired. I bet he ended up in prison
His wiki page was updated two days ago and I found this, so I hope he's still alive and well www.hogshaven.com/2020/6/17/21295184/dexter-manley-says-im-back-and-you-cant-keep-a-good-man-down
Good ole ESPN Sunday Night Football...home to the insufferable broadcast of Joe Theismann and Flipper Anderson catching 5,000 worth of yards in one game against the Saints.
Should have been more detailed about the 1984 USFL Supplemental Draft. Key phrase- USFL. And Mack played for the LA Express in 84. As for the drugs in the NFL back in the 80's- Washington had a safety named Tony Peters, maybe Tim, but last name is Peters, who was arrested in drug charges right on the training camp field! Jim Jeffcoat as a rookie, sang The FBI is coming to town, to the tune of Santa Claus is coming town, during training camp. Let's just say, that didn't go over too well, as the Cowboys had many players in trouble with drugs and the police
Kevin Mack is a Tecmo Bowl legend
Okoya and Jackson demigods.
I was living in just outside of Jacksonville, FL at the time. There was an actual snow storm that day/night that knocked out the cable and power. First time it had snowed in Florida in 100 years. Well, we had electricity but lost the cable tv to the storm. I was 12 and a huge Browns fan. Born in Cleveland. Anyway, we found a random AM radio station that was broadcasting the game. My dad, my brother and I all sat around the radio and listened to the game. What a memory.
Snow storm in Houston, too.
I remember this story very well--Great recap and context of what happened.
I love this channel, especially all those old AFL stories that you can’t hear about anywhere else.
This '89 Browns team is so interesting. There's this with Mack, their week 1 win in Pittsburgh which ended up being that franchise's largest defeat ever, there's the Matthews INT on the goal line to beat the Bills in the playoffs and another championship game falling just short vs Denver
Yeah, and who knew that 1989 would be the last gasp for this core of Browns players.
Big browns fan since 86. I remember the 89 season pretty well. I was 11 and in love with the game of football.
@@yusefinc1096 The Browns were still a good team in '89, but I was surprised that it turned out to be the end of the line for that particular group as a contender (although that was the first year that I feel that the Broncos were the better overall team in the conference title game than in the previous two). If the 1987 strike doesn't happen (the Browns/Broncos matchup was the regular-season game which was wiped from the schedule) and Kosar's elbow doesn't get wrecked (I don't think he was ever the same after that) in '88, I believe the Browns would've qualified for the Super Bowl at least once (the Browns unable to stop Elway wasn't a failure by any means, as he was a transcendent player, although I think Dan Reeves clearly got carried away with Elway's ability to pull mediocre teams up by their bootstraps:-).
And the tie with the chiefs
@@JeffWiersma In Schottenheimer's return to Cleveland.
I love a redemption story
Great story, but you failed to mention Clay Matthews' boneheaded lateral after recovering a fumble that led to the Oilers' second touchdown. Mack saved Matthews' bacon that night.
Matthews had done that before and it worked but not this time. If I remember right the next play was the TD pass that gave Houston the lead . And the tv cameras zeroed in on Clay on the sideline immediately .
People should note this is not the GB Clay Matthews (III) but his father (Jr.).
I was at that game (Oilers goal line seats to watch the Mack run) and it seems to me that Clay made a great play soon after that. Fortunately it was in the Dome, because Houston had snow and freezing temps that weekend. Frozen pipes everywhere. Mack's run could not be fully appreciated on video. I never saw anything like it before or since.
I love my bacon!
As a Browns fan I remember this. Instead of calling it a comeback story , I would call it a redemption story. Mack had let down his teammates, the organization and its fan s. But on that winning drive the guy morphed back into the Mack Truck. He was unstoppable. He just plowed through the Oilers who portrayed themselves as tough guys after their coach Jerry Glanville. Mack basically said Try and stop me and they were totally helpless.
The Browns were actually the first team the Cowboys called during the 1989 season when they wanted to trade Herschel Walker. The Browns were interested in getting him because of the Kevin Mack situation. However, they weren’t able to get Walker because they didn’t have a first round pick in 1990 that the Cowboys insisted on being part of the deal.
And I hate to be That Guy who tells you how to do your videos, but this would have been a lot better if you said Mack stayed clean after the game. You merely mentioned how his career continued for four years afterwards.
I was about to mention that
I was wondering that. Thanks for update
Wow, nice nit-pick. Jeef.
Well yeah, but the fact that he played for years after that pretty much makes it obvious that he either did stay clean, or at least if he did some of that good stuff, he didn't get caught.
There's an article out today about how Mack helped his former teammate Reggie Langhorne realize he had an alcohol problem and took Langhorne to the clinic to clean up.
What a great story. Kevin was a really good player, and I didn't know the Browns got him in the supplemental draft. BTW when it comes to cocaine in the NFL in the 1980's, I just assumed everyone was at some point involved no matter who it was. It was that bad. So many careers derailed by cocaine. The 49ers had a cocaine problem in 1982. Years later, John Taylor of all folks had a cocaine issue for a minute. I feel like due to the romanticism of the NFL at this time, this was a saga people either forgot, or just don't know about.
I agree; it seemed to hit certain teams particularly hard (Bengals, Buccaneers, Chargers, Dolphins), but all 28 teams had a widespread cocaine issue, as did of course society at large.
the Browns had a few very good players form that. Mack, Mike Johnson ,Gerald McNeil, Thank you mr Trump
@@chrisbradick667 True, but I think most of the coke "credit" could go to the Medellin Cartel:-).
One of the original modern era big backs!
Kevin Mack and then Leroy Hoard!!!
Don Rogers died days after Len Bias which was very sad.
Don Rogers lives and there is no “Drive.” Man, what could have been.
@@lost1croc
You don't know that.
Mack truck pimpin
One of my favorite players as a kid, I didn't know about this
Same here. I was definitely too young to understand what was happening though.
It was common knowledge around the NFL and in Cleveland.
More importantly as of today Mack is still clean of drugs and that is all that matters
Love your channel. Always something interesting.
I have a recommendation for a topic-how one freak interception cost the 2011 Bears a shot to make a playoff and possible Super Bowl run. They were in the midst of a 5-game winning streak, and Jay Cutler, playing perhaps the best football of his career, was injured chasing down a defender who only had the ball because Johnny Knox couldn’t haul in a fairly pedestrian pass. Also at the time, the Bears’ defense was on fire, and the NFC was up for grabs despite the Packers’ solid year-a wildcard team ended up winning it all that year (Giants-good but certainly beatable, could have been Chicago given the same opportunity).
Cutler’s injury also likely propelled Tim Tebow from just a nice story to playoff winner, as the Broncos almost surely do not beat the Bears in Week 14 with Cutler at the helm (they barely beat them even with atrocious play of Chicago’s backup QBs).
Cutler returns in 2012 never quite the same, and the Tebow mystique is cemented into the collective consciousness.
I fully expect to hear "Nothing short of...something". in every video
TECMO BOWL comes to mind....
Kevin Mack was a beast.
Mansfield Reformatory was where they filmed Shawshank .
And a real-life "redemption" took place there
Truly a Return of the Mack (it is)
I enjoy your channel as much as I enjoy Forgotten Weapons.
“Hmmm... well gentlemen, that brings me to my next point. Don’t smoke crack.” -Lawrence Taylor.
Wasn't he smoking it while he was being one of the greatest defensive players of all time?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The 80’s Browns would have had at least one Super Bowl (maybe two) if we could have beaten the Bronco’s. The Drive, the Fuble, urgh…
Anyhow, we had stars such as:
Bernie Kosar
Keven Mack
Ozzie Newsome
Earnest Byner
Eric Metcalf
Webster Slaughter
All amazing players. And don’t forget we went 12-4 in 1985, and made it to the National Championship 3 times in the 80’s.
The modern Browns totally have a shot at being as good, we went 11-5 and won a playoff game finally. And I think we can make the division this year.
As my family has frequently repeated, pre-Championship Game Vegas bets had the Browns over the Giants in January 1987....
Put all your chips in for this year, 2021. It’s going to be really special. Go Browns!
I’ve always had a soft spot ever since I was really little for the Browns. Even as a Green Bay fan I always really liked them, though I have no idea what caused me to.
While I seriously doubt they‘ll be champions, I hope they make it again. It’s awesome seeing “lower tier” teams making the dance now.
Who knows? Give it another year or two with the right development? You very well could be. I think the Brown’s will just need a little more time
On techmo bowl...Mack knocked everyone over
I just always think what it would've been if the move never happened. In 95 they were highly favored then the collapse once the word got out! Thank you great video & channel!!
I always think , what happens if they don't go after Rison, and just Move Eric Metcalf to WR. We all know Art had to take loan out to sign Rison, then claimed poor to move team. Metcalf had a great year at WR for ATL, Rison, sucked for us. Bill B stays HC in Clev, the foundation that would go on to set tone for Baltimore D is left to flourish in Cleveland, And Cleveland Rules NFL for next 20 years!!!!!
@@chrisbradick667 Metcalf was the ultimate weapon! Rison was a bone head i was kinda high on Rison when they got him but that high got blown quickly! Modell screwed the whole state! They Browns would've dominated the division and the league! There move is a huge trauma in my childhood!!
One month out of 6 doesn't even equal 50% which is basically the best minimum of early release
Mack and Byner were a true legit threat. They could and did pound teams into submission
As an Oilers fan that TD made me sick!
Are you sure that one did? Or was it the five you surrendered three years later in Orchard Park, NY?
32 Years Ago
Kevin mack was my boy in tecmo bowl🙂. I watched kevin mack roll into my suburban cleveland condo complex as a kid almost daily to chill with a single female......🤔 tollis parkway broadview heights. He drove reeeeeeel slow.
1985: Browns at 8-8 make the playoffs while the 11-5 Broncos don't. Also, the Browns gave Miami all they could handle in the playoffs actually leading 21-3 in the 3rd quarter.
took a while for me to fully understand seeding, I never understood why the WFT was 7-9 but got the fourth seed, then I learned it was because they won their division
Tells you how bad the AFC Central was in 85!! Steelers sucked, Oilers sucked, and Bengals sucked. Those three teams had 3rd, 9th and 11th picks in the 86 Draft. That's terrible!!
you have to put the clay matthews failed lateral in here
What do you think is the dumbest scoring margin to go for a two point conversion?
i would say when you’re down 9 and you score a touchdown late in the game (making you down 3), it is completely stupid to try for a 2 pointer because you gain nothing if you succeed, considering the extra point would do the same thing with less margin of error, and if you fail, a field goal ties it instead of winning it
speaking of macks, would you do a video on 70s patriot, mac herron. set record for all purpose yards and was short.
JG if you want to do a good prison story look up Tony Robinson and the 1987 scab Washington team that upset Dallas.
How did you get this information from the NFL
"Team Doctors" dont do much after the surgery other than to do a 5 minute evaluation and say "keep it up" or "Do better". The Atheltic Trainers, Physical Therapists and Strength Coaches are who could have helped his knee rehab the most. Its a small detail, but it shows respect for what those people do.
Yeah, the Prison medical center definitely wouldn't have those guys on staff. They do have a doctor who will do quick evaluations and say "you're not dying."
For every good story there is a legit horror story too.
Dexter Manley of Washington was one of the best DE's ever... Coke ruined him and he got a lifetime ban from the NFL...
Incredibly, he was allowed a comeback years later... (with the Cardinals) and relapsed and retired immediately.
Often wonder what ever happened to that guy after he retired.
I bet he ended up in prison
His wiki page was updated two days ago and I found this, so I hope he's still alive and well www.hogshaven.com/2020/6/17/21295184/dexter-manley-says-im-back-and-you-cant-keep-a-good-man-down
Wait, he did his stint at the place they filmed The Shawshank Redemption?
Spooky!!!
You mean besides their 1999 comeback from the dead?
His attorney's argument about taking away his livelihood is rich. So nobody who has a job when they get arrested for anything can go to prison?
Good ole ESPN Sunday Night Football...home to the insufferable broadcast of Joe Theismann and Flipper Anderson catching 5,000 worth of yards in one game against the Saints.
I liked Theismann. Paul McGuire rubbed my nerves, though. To each his own, I suppose. That Flipper game was something else. Great times!
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Are you on disability?? How do find the time to do this?
Should have been more detailed about the 1984 USFL Supplemental Draft. Key phrase- USFL. And Mack played for the LA Express in 84.
As for the drugs in the NFL back in the 80's- Washington had a safety named Tony Peters, maybe Tim, but last name is Peters, who was arrested in drug charges right on the training camp field!
Jim Jeffcoat as a rookie, sang The FBI is coming to town, to the tune of Santa Claus is coming town, during training camp. Let's just say, that didn't go over too well, as the Cowboys had many players in trouble with drugs and the police
Which is why back in those days, the Cowboys were dubbed, "South America's Team".
It was Tony Peters.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
What 1987 Shopping Mall soundtrack did you get this song from?
He makes his own loops in GarageBand, amazingly