What's wrong with Romania in Eurovision? Theodor's Interview & Romania's Decline
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- In this video, I try to analyse the situation with Romania in Eurovision recently, firstly by reviewing the interview that Theodor did with The Watcher, which gives us insight into the behind the scenes sitiuation with TVR and the Romania delegation. Then in the second half, I discuss Romania's place in the contest with the help of some comments from Romanians subscribers of the channel.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:07 Introduction to the interview
3:47 Theodor's background
4:46 National Final Issues
8:06 Conflict over Staging
13:19 Problems with Music Video
18:39 Romania's golden Period
22:49 Comments from Romanians & Eurofans
28:10 Controversy Last Year
29:03 ProTv
31:45 Conclusion
33:34 Shoutouts
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I feel so terrible for Theodor. Knowing what a dream this was for him and how badly he wanted to go to Eurovision just breaks my heart seeing what TVR did to him. I wonder if he will even look back on his Eurovision journey with much fondness.
I hope Theodore comes back when he's a bit older or who knows, perhaps one day he'll be the Head of Romanian Delegation and makes sure that things DON'T go the same way to any other contestant 😁
I hope he does. He did speak about some good memories that he had in the competition. He said that he would come back but only if some of the TVR/Delegation people were different
Ironically, the song perfectly captured Theodore's relationship with TVR...
Romania needs to bring some local flavour to it. It's a shame that Moldova is alone to promote the common Romanian-Moldovan language and culture.
My overwhelming feeling watching his SF performance was sadness. He just looked defeated, the performance was completely lacklustre and muted. The national final had its problems, but at least it was more authentic to him.
My heart goes out to Theodor, he has a fantastic singing voice and I enjoyed his song. I'm surprised that the EBU doesn't stipulate that the artist must be involved in staging and artistic meetings and decisions 😢 It is sad that some of the decision makers of the Romanian delegation are happy to use is talent yet provide him with little support. Hats off to him for giving a great performance despite being blocked at every turn. I hope we continue to hear more music from him in the future 💖
i have a slight feeling that they felt he couldnt qualify, and so they decided to "save" all the money that could be spent on him for other things
That brainstorming map had me howling. Tom in his conspiracy theory era 😂
these videos are way too much work. never again 😂😭
@@ESCTom I ended up doing a live stream reaction for the watcher interview and even that was a challenge
That is to say Conspiracy theorists aren't bad.
The sad thing is that we have seen Romania do incredible
I am for sure supporting Theodor 's career. He clearly has great ideas and talent so I 'm sure he will get far
never clicked faster
Lol same
me neither omg
Same
Hey, didn't expect to see my comment out there😂. And apreciate you being concerned about Romania in Eurovision, but as long as 0.6% of our population is watching the contest and the broadcaster doesn't care, there is nothing we can do unfortunetly😢
Well interest went up hugely when Roxen did her national final in 2020. That reaction video is the seventh most viewed video on my entire channel and the most viewed national final video
Very interesting video again Tom. Yes the problems with Romania seem to be deep-rooted and we really can't blame the artists. I hope Theodor would get to represent his country again maybe in 10 years or so, with a professional team behind him as he sure does have the voice and charisma to do well in the contest.
Watching the Romanian NF live, it was PAINFULLY apparent that TVR is incompetent. There were so many awkward moments, stalling, bad jokes, technical errors, etc. It was such a trainwreck, it doesn't surprise me that they're basically sabotaging their artists in the main event. I think Theodor was fairly reserved in his interview because he isn't supposed to badmouth the delegation or something and that makes me wonder what else may have happened behind the scenes. He has such a great voice and just needed some guidance on the staging, not to have it completely taken away in favor of whatever that was.
Apparently he's under an NDA for about six months after the contest. I've already heard people are waiting for the end of the year when he might spill all of the details.
Actually, for Roxen's case, the delegations made the staging and Roxen didn't agree cause she knew she couldn't sing well while running or dancing and they shut her up and continue with that staging so again.. another TVR terrible decision who's surprise ?!
btw so surprise how Theodor had incredible ideas for such a young age and for the beginning of his carreer.. so sad and furious how TVR and the delegations are treating their artists to the point they are taking their creativity, their own songs and are threatening them..
(an incredible job btw tysm for this huge work and incredible videos !!)
Thank you Vako 🙏🏻
Yea if theres one thing I take away from this interview, it's that this delegation is incompetent and were clearly to blame for Roxen's NQ. If she had been given suitable staging, she would have qualified. It's a shame that she wasnt able to speak out against them afterward
It saddens me when I think of the potential that girl had going into the contest. Both songs she had were excellent, at least the studio cuts were. She had the vocal ability and overall package to do really well, but the staging was awful. What an opportunity missed and I would love to see her back in the near future.
I've always been a fan of Romanian entries going right back to Mălina Olinescu's "Eu cred" (1998) RIP. Monica Anghel and Marcel Pavel's "Tell Me Why" (2002), Luminița Anghel and Sistem "Let Me Try" (2005), Nico and Vlad's "Pe-o margine de lume" (2008) and Paula Seling and Ovi's "Playing with Fire" (2010) are some of my most favourite duets from Eurovision. I thought WRS last year was a great entry. Ester Peony & The Humans were respectable entries IMHO. So this year was a real quality-drop shock. I REALLY hope they reinvent themselves for 2024 and comeback stronger than ever. Note to Tom- INNA is the most amazing artist - check out her song Oh My God!
I think that Romania will withdraw for 2024.
For the first part of the video, I think its pretty shocking that a delegation would nearly deliberately sabotage their own act and not allow them to have any creative input into their entry (I feel like someone should step in at that stage and fight for the artist's wants)
Secondly for the WRS bit, I have heard speculation that he did a lot of that on his own, I've heard he styled himself and his dancers, covered expenses and did the choreo either himself or a friend helped him so it does seem like he might've pushed tvr out of the picture because theyre suggesting really rubbish ideas.
"TVR are suggesting rubbish ideas" given what happened to Theodor this year and what Roxen's staging looked like in 2021, "rubbish" seems like an understatement.
Yeah and the situation with WRS pretty much confirms that that was the case. Because WRS had a very pro LGBT show, but then this year the delegation are wringing their hands over a pink suit
It might be rooted into the typical Romanian mentality, the concept that if you're older, you're automatically wiser and if you've spent a certain time in a field, you have more knowledge than a newcomer. I'm very certain the people at TVR looked at Theodor, scoffed and went "what would an 18-year-old know anyway?". It's very archaic but a lot of people in the older generation, especially the generation before the fall of communism, are like this. As a Romanian, I've seen and experienced it firsthand.
Thanks for the tip to watch Theodor's self-made video. Since the song is largely not in English, it *really* needs the right visuals to help you understand the meaning of the song. I was one of the folks who made fun of him (I must admit I didn't really understand the song until I saw the self-made video) and now I feel badly about it. Sounds like TVR and/or the delegation were the ones holding the voodoo doll.
INNA is Romania’s most famous singer. She is one of the biggest female singers in Europe. You may have listened to “Sun is up”, “Hot”.
As far as I know The Watcher is a friend of Theodor's and also the producer of DGT
That is right
INNA is probably the most successful Romanian singer
Honestly, one of the wildest things to me is the idea/demand to perform it acoustically. Why on Earth would anyone suggest that for this song??? (Unless the idea is to sabotage it to the max, which I guess a 100 % acoustic version for sure would accomplish.)
The "pink suit is too gay" comment was the biggest WTF moment for me. It just breaks my brain. I mean did they watch Llámame? It's on the eurovision pride anthems playlist for a reason 🤣Screams upper management comments. Design by committee rarely creates a masterpiece. Just look at the Disney live action remakes.
Yeah the whole thing stinks of clueless arrogant men making decisions from higher up
I'm soooo glad that you are addressing this issue, at least someone is.
I would love to see another in depth look at Ireland this time (for example I remember really liking Maps but RTE's staging choice really disadvantaged her)!
its coming ... 😂
22:25
Recently Roxen talked about her experience and how they kept saying they can't perform like that and should slow down with the choreography...but of course they were totally ignored
I miss Romanias golden years… hoping they’ll get their shit together and treat their artists with more respect and also take the contest as a whole more seriously again
As a romanian (who’s been living abroad for a big chunk of my life so i’m probably not the best source) it‘s definitely difficult to gauge the situation. I wouldn‘t agree that people „don‘t care“ or „don’t know“ about ESC, moreso that instead of taking some accountability, they prefer to deflect and make up excuses, wether it be „its all political and they hate us“ or „rock songs dont do well generally“ that stop progress from happening. You‘d assume that if TVR is holding on for dear life onto their broadcasting license, they‘d at least invest into and hype up ESC and the national selection but it just looks like an elementary school show that the first graders hold for christmas in front of their parents. And then to let those people, who couldnt even take care of the national selection, to then make decisions about the STAGING???? out.
Oh yeah there is definite interest within the country. Like I mentioned that Roxen NF reaction video that I did is the 7th most viewed video on my entire channel. So when TVR put forward something good and interesting, people are totally involved
We. Love. Theodor. 🙏
WRS was awesome last year! Was he more successful because TVR had less involvement with the entry? 🤔 great video, Tom! 💕🌈
thank you Willard ❤️
Theodor is so talented! I love his voice so much.
I am a romanian and i want to say my opinion on this. I feel like back in their glory days, Romania was very open to exploring more western style songs and expressing LGTBQ culture in Romania (2013 and 2021). Romanians in general are not the most LGBTQ friendly people and a lot that I know are very homophobic and some are even racist. These ignorant ideas usually are coming from older people in their 50s or 60s. If TVR would involve a different more younger team that would be more open to individuality (and are more liberal than conservative in general) i think they would do better. For ProTV being the broadcaster would be a MASSIVE idea. They need to come up with a plan to get them on the Eurovision planning team. All of the big artists in Romania always perform there for specials, events, and on the big competition shows (the masked singer, the voice, romania's got talent). In fact, INNA (the biggest artist from romania ever) was a JUDGE on The Masked Singer Romania in the 1st series. Some past contestants from the masked signer romania include Karmen (check out her song Belladona she did with Bruja) and Alina Eremia (she represented Romania in JESC in 2006, she has GREAT songs like Dependeta Mea, and Enchante). Therefore, u can see ProTV has AN EASY ACCESS to the top talent in romania. I am 100% confident that if ProTV would be the broadcaster, they would not only be able to host a GREAT NF (and contest if they were to win), but also be able to consistently send songs that would appeal to international viewers, send artists like israel did this year with Noa Kirel, and might perform better overall than they ever have before. In the early days of Romanian participation they sent a big artist (Dan Bittman). If they were able to send big artists, they would succeed and even WIN. It breaks my heart that because of the poor decision making and stubborness from TVR that Romanians are losing interest in Eurovision. I recommend doing switching to ProTV, organizing a NF like Benidorm Fest 2022, select BIG artists in romania, have good staging, and they should be good to go.
Unfortunately a switch to ProTV is not possible because they are not part of the EBU, but yeah I agree that they would be way better suited to take care of the selection
hi romanian here
it sadly doesn't surprise me that TVR and the romanian delegation fucked this up. TVR doesn't have any competition style shows meanwhile PROTV and even Antena have more eperiance with those kinds of shows (PROTV hosting The Voice and Romanias got talent and Antena hosting The X factor) I belive at the moment they only show news and period dramas.
I also belive that Romania's insecurity to show more experimental songs/ stageing comes from a fear of beein seen as less than by western Europe. The songs they send for the past years were boring and uninspired compared to what this country offer. Even comparing Theo's song with the Moldovan song this year (same language and Moldova is very similar to Romania with the folk music) it was boring and generic.
I'm just hoping the send more folk or at least folk-influence songs because that is a big strength of our country and sending generic pop songs or songs that have no tie to romania at all (202) dose us a big disservice. Hoping they take a page out of Moldova's book
Yeah the contrast between Romania and Moldova's results is really interesting and telling.
Also great point about ProTV, you can really see the difference in TVR's production ability when you see how poorly done their national final was this year.
It's a shame that Pro TV are private and aren't able to take the contract
Thank you for explaining this. Theodor had a good voice but I was confused as to what the song was about and even if it wasn't sung in a language I am familiar with, I should have been able to grasp through the staging what it was about. I feel sad now knowing that Eurovision was his dream and wish him well in his future career.
Thanks for all the Eurovision analysis videos!
It's so annoying when broadcasters force ideas on their artists or repeatedly fumble their selections, and wonder why they flop so badly.
Not sure if we're at this point, but TVR might need a massive overhaul soon 💀
Thank you ESC orbit 🙏🏻
Seemed like a really lovely guy. Saw him talking to crowds outside the London pre party and again outside the venue on semi final 1 night. Looked like he was having a blast enjoying the Eurovision experience. He really needed a better song and a better team.
I truly hope Romania can get it together. They're up to it, if you see how well Selectia Nationala in 2020 worked. The viewing figures for the Eurovision final this year were so appalling; I would think TVR would be interested in getting a bigger part of the share but I guess they're not really bothered that channels like PRO outperform them (guess that may be a problem for more public broadcasters?). A team with some fresh ideas and actual interest in entertainment and raising both TVR's and Eurovision's profile in Romania would be great.
well if the rumours are true, it seems that allegedly there's a "reward" incentive for those involved in TVR to stay involved
not the kimono omg... that would have been a nightmare
I am convinced that he posesses so much raw talent and creative passion that it will be impossible to keep him down regardless of what will be thrown at him
WTF does wearing a kimono have to do with being manipulated by a gf?
you're a superstar, tom!! i did a little spin in my chair when I saw this pop up. lmao at "where did this money go?" i'm just picturing a warehouse full of rejected louis vuitton socks somewhere
Unfortunately I think this year was the last we saw of Romania and that they will withdraw indefinitely after this year's fiasco. They almost withdrew this year because they have threatened EBU with withdrawing cause of that jury fiasco last year.
This was such an interesting explanation, I'm still watching 30+ mins in. Really helpful
I am so hype for this video “great job” in advance
Ah, great coming home from work and enjoying a fresh ESC Tom video. I haven’t watched it all yet, just commenting for the algorithm.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Love your content Tom, always a joy watching. All the best in Turkey👍
Thank you Stephen ❤️
I love this style of video really inciting and interesting without me doing much work. As you know I love this song and he's amazing TVR needs new management because it's disgusting how they are treating artists this guy needs to come back maybe for Moldova? Or any other country tbh this kid has potential
Oh.I truly feel bad for Theodor. Like the song sings about a girl strangling him and in reality the TVR strangles him.😭It is sooo sad.Even if Andrei Theodors weren't the best they are his own ideas and as I saw, they are much better then what we had in ESC 2023.
I am still gutted for Roxen, Alcohol you, Cherry red and Amnesia are still on my main playlist, by the sounds of it she could have had the same trouble where no one listened to her on staging difficulties.
As for Romania's expenses, very suspicious.... I don't know how they came to their accommodation figure, I stayed in the Ibis opposite arena and knew some delegations were there too so it could have been done on a budget.
Good video as always Tom.
Ha ha I think I was in the same Ibis. The one where Moldova and Slovenia were staying?
@@ESCTom yeah that's the one....!! So 2 delegations and 1 favourite youtuber :)
well done Tom.Great video !
As a romanian, I'm disgusted by TVR more and more, year by year. TVR is definitely a dead television. It's like RTE buit 10x worse. No one watches TVR. Basically, the Eurovision is the only thing they can still pride with and yet, this is how they are treating it. HoD needs to go!!!! (just like in Ireland) but I don't think this will fix much at this point.
Hope they never get to host the Eurovision because it's going to be a disaster
I think there is one main difference between RTÉ and TVR.
With RTÉ they refuse to give a big budget, but otherwise they keep their nose out of the process completely and ignore and don't care about it.
Whereas with TVR it seems like they control the budget but also get heavily involved and interfere in the process at all levels
Also, thank you 🙏🏻
thanks a lot. theodor is such an interesting singer and great vocalist who deserved more attention. DGT is better than his nul points. (Althogh not in my top ten) Theodor´s serie of covers is great and i prefer his to the ones Chris Harms did.
Omg I didn’t have the time to watch your videos after Eurovision and just when I came to catch up I learn you are here in Istanbul! I hope I run into you somewhere!
Lucy's Interview Thread: twitter.com/dotterdam/status/1661801361569185816
The interview with The Watcher: ruclips.net/video/Zfk_ucKzOPk/видео.html&pp=ygUadGhlb2RvciBhbmRyZWkgdGhlIHdhdGNoZXI%3D
Music Video for D.G.T with a lot of Theodor's staging ideas - ruclips.net/video/B0fvqAyKPss/видео.html
I heard in 2021 that Roxen's last minute outfit change from rehearsals to the jury/live show was not her choice and the broadcaster picked the outfit for her, which didn't fit the theme or vibe of the song at all. So it doesn't surprise me to hear that they essentially prevented Theodor from doing anything, but its very disheartening to hear that he didn't want the acoustic version he just wanted his original version, I'm sure if he could go back in time he wouldn't have shown the acoustic version in the first place. It sucks too cos the original sounded way better IMO and hoped it would have shock qualified before the revamp. I also think Theodor might have been a victim of the fact that TVR wanted to withdraw, but then when that online poll overwhelming said to remain in Eurovision, they reluctantly participated but they didn't want to. It's a shame, hopefully they can fix their internal problems and get Romania back to the grand final.
yea i agree that the original is better. also if youre going to revamp a song, it needs to be noticeably better imo. changing a song to something different but not better is kinda crazy imo
All the money probably went towards those louis vuitton socks.
With that said, I feel terrible for him. Hopefully he can represent Romania again in the future with a better delegation. Love his voice and energy (Didn't like the song that much, but it was ok).
Just a quick thanks for your continuous interesting content. It's in stark contrast with other high profile channels that are just putting out drivel or nothing at all.
Thank you 🙏🏻 😊
I know the broadcasters and delegations aren't the same but it's very interesting that Moldova, a much poorer country that's dealt with alot more corruption than Romania has been on a solid track since 2021 + 17 and 18. And both songs the past 2 years have been in Romanian
Oh yeah the contrast with Moldova is actually really important. It really dispels any possibility for them to blame it on politics or "Europe doesn't like us" nonsense
Thanks for this in-depth video! Lots of love from Moscow ❤
Tom hope I don’t sound cheeky but I was wondering when are you going to post your in depth analysis for the grand final I’m excited for it ❤❤
Amazing content xx
im around 80-90% of the way through writing it and making all the graphs etc. its probably the most complicated video ive written and so thats why its taken so long
dont feel cheeky asking about it, a little bit of pressure would actually be helpful! 😂
Good work on the video! I’m glad the label thing got mentioned, it sounds like Theodor got bullied by the delegation and didn’t have anyone strong to push back on his behalf.
Do you think the EBU might try to introduce a mechanism for a broadcaster to change in case of situations like Romania and Ireland?
Thanks Algrave
Absolutely not. The EBU is not interested in this type of stuff at all. They just want to broadcasters to pay their fees, send a suitable song that isn't offensive or political and that's it
The most shocking thing in this video is Tom not knowing who INNA is hahaha
Comment for engagement! ❤
Well, that interview explains a lot!
In hindsight the acoustic guitar start would fit the song, since it is a song about someone pulling the strings. With regards to imagery, the 'suggestions' and eventual output are bad by a large margin. I imagined at least one female dancer actually pulling strings (which would look like Finland's leashed dancers, but reversed) or mimicking a puppeteer. Then, when we get to the climax, he breaks free of his ties and runs around the stage or whatever. Instead none of images seemed to work or signal anything.
It is amazing that both Roxen and Theodor went on with the show as they were told and didn't attempt to sabotage their performances by for example not running around, or facing the wrong way. Or replace one of his D.G.T.' s with T.V.R., that would fit the song. Might be a contractual thing.
I don't think sabotage is the way to go. People watching the TV wouldn't understand the context and would just think that they're incompetent performers. They need to think about their future career. Also professionally it doesn't look good
Hi, TheWatcher is a music producer who they Say that they made the song together and not only the one that went forward with it at Eurovision, also some other on his album. They worked together on projects
Settled down in bed to watch this, then died laughing at the brainstorming diagram 😂 Youre such a mega-geek, and you excite my inner eccentric!
Just watching the video and thought I'd add that sign language was used as part of Walter & Kazha's 'The War Is Not Over' performance in 2005, which is one of my favourite Eurovision songs not only of that year, but also in my top 20 of all time :)
ooooo id forgotten about that, good memory
Poor Theodor. I agree that he was the greatest male vocalist this year, and it sucks that TVR wanted to take his personality out of his performance. I really hope he’ll go to Eurovision again, but with more support behind him
Off Topic: I'm always shocked how similar our music taste is. Everytime you talk about a song and your opinion about it, I share your opinion. Example: Ester Peony & Roxen were both my winner in 2019 & 2021. And you said that they were in your Top 3 too, which is a little bit unpopular tbh.
I know it’s random but I just like when other people share my (sometimes very unpopular) opinions. :)
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The simple thing for me is the staging. If Theodor (OR Adelaida) for that matter had used their staging or simple lighting with pyro effects at the end like in the round BEFORE the NF but even then, what we got in the NF would have been MUCH BETTER than the Eurovision staging. That being said, the song for many is still weak enough not to qualify in such a brilliant year. TVR definitely seem responsible. One watch of their national final when it was live is clear TVR have declined SIGNIFICANTLY and their glory days are over: the stream kept going in and out and you look at how cheap the final stagings and how bored the crowd look and you can conclude that Romania either don't have the funds to continue OR they need a change of broadcaster. Theodor is only 18 and has the talent. What we need is to give this guy a second chance, maybe for another country like Moldova or San Marino? I think if TVR hadn't shot down so many ideas, Adelaida and Andrei and the others would have been SO MUCH better and one of the other two COULD have gone instead! Went back to 2019 and I'm surprised so many hate it. I was actually impressed given this year's staging!
Romanian delegation needs an overhaul and then the new team needs to go back to the drawing board for ideas on how they can succeed, even on a low budget. I think it's getting fairly obvious NRK/Norway is having issues funding all the things that they want (and that fans want) lately, but they always manage to put together something that's decent despite that. Romania can do it IF they want to! We have seen them send some amazing entries in the past, and I hope they can find the path forward to success.
Yeah I definitely think that there are some rotten apples in the system
Romania is usually one of my favourite countries in Eurovision. Last decade they were my personal winners twice and their 2013 song and performance is one of my all time favourites. It makes me sad that they've not been doing as well these last few years and I agree that it's been mostly the staying that's killed their last few NQs (though I do think their 2019 performance was robbed) . I would love to see their glory days return and hopefully they can win one year soon.
I feel sorry for the artist. His dream turned into a nightmare.
Wait, what?! Romania had “golden days” at Eurovision? I must have missed that.
i remember their strong period. it felt like them winning was inevitable and they qualified so easily every year
@@Beckford4000 Yodel it was my absolute favorite that year! An all time great!
@@cliffarroyo9554Absolutely. It's my life was also amazing.
@@cricketsi11 When you say “It’s My Life”, I immediately think Dr. Alban 🇸🇪. And then “Sing Hallelujah!” comes into my head.
@@Beckford4000 Playing With Fire was great
He wasnt even THAT bad 😢 It was just so messy. I didnt know what was going on
Yeah the whole thing was so confusing and the entire story was lost
Having watched Eurovision since 2002 it’s so sad to see Romania near the bottom of the field - they used to be a power house
No worries. We too are wondering wtf happened to us 😂😂
I'm Romanian and I found that "interview" hard to follow too
haha glad it wasnt just me 😂
This whole thing is just messy and gross. Seriously who would endorse this treatment of a literal teenager on the world stage. It is seriously depressing how a broadcaster could get away with this s**t to a person, let alone someone representing you on the world stage and ruining someone’s dreams in the process. Completely and utterly disgraceful TVR 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😤👿👿!!! This just shows how every broadcaster shouldn’t treat their artists, let this be a frickin lesson TVR.
After what TVR did to Ovidiu Anton, not surprised with anything
Yodel singers from 2017 cursed Romania.
Excuse me what does a kimono have to do with the song 💀
literally nothing ☠️
To me the staging felt like a bad creepypasta came to life with the cheap visuals of the bodies laying in blood/lava, the women on the white robes and Theodore's Jeff the Killer makeup.
I like the voodoo doll idea. Having giant voodoo dolls on the LED screens moving in unison, with Theodore following the movements would be really cool.
That's the thing. Theodor is coming up with ideas that were financially viable as well. The voodoo doll thing, the paint, the chains - this are all cheap things that could be implemented on the actual stage as well.
So he's working within his financial means in a creative way
Honestly, I think TVR has been going downhill since their disqulification in 2016. The DQ did give them a year to recoup and qualify in 2017. However, since 2018, it looked like they lost everything that made Romania successful in the '00s and '10s.
2018 was the year where I thought something was off. The Humans and their entry wasn't too bad, but it was a borderline qualifyer. Their staging was just baffelling and TVR never recovered. 2022 was the only exception b/c WRS is a very charasmatic performer, and his song was very catchy from the start. This year with their treatment lf Theodore was simply a travesty. I think he should give it another go with Eurovision but with Moldova. They'll most likely treat him much better there.
well the success of WRS was all him, despite the delegation partially sabotaging him by trying to cheat with the juriesa
Coming 7 months later, after TVR officials decided not to go to ESC this year. What you've pointed out was very on spot and basically Romania is in a big sh*t rn, in all domains but we will resume only on the Eurovision. *I think* that in 2018 TVR decided to do a refresh even though everything went well and they started with some of the staff: how else would we explain the "growth" of bad decisions if not by changing something in your formula? Second thing, TVR stated that this year Romania will not participate because of the lack of funds and they want to invest in other facilities and also broadcast the Olympics, another bad field for our country, but this is not TVR's fault (or at least not entirely)... Honestly, I am happy that we don't get to participate in the 2024 edition because most probably it would be another failure (nothing would probably change that fast) and the public money may be spent better if they actually do what they've stated (there are some ambitious projects). I would be even happier if real changes were made to actually do decent in the first phase and then be a force. For example, I would fire every single person from the 2023 delegation (ok maybe not every single one but a very very big part of them), and recruit professional guys by imposing some high standards because there is a workforce that would tick all the boxes and I would put some priority to bring people who did well in this competition: Mihai (Traistariu) is the first guy that would lead Romania to a good path in this competition because he actually knows what is going on there. And for a period I would cancel the Selecția Națională (a very "creative" name anyway) and opt for an Internal Selection, if you have the right people you can actually produce results. I would bring back Global Records even though this could be a bad move because you may block entirely other artists but let's look at the 2020 final, it looked like Eurovision came to life in our country. Right now this cult of Eurovision is dead in Romania and the announcement of not getting part this year did some damage too so the only hope is that TVR will address the problem when we get back on track, the 2023 edition should be the final wake up call.
Yuuup, makes absolute sense that some greedy higher up is pocketing all the budget for themselves. I feel bad for all the artists that got effed over by the delegation
Inna is one of, if not the most successful Romanian singer ever (if we don't count Enigma)
If you ever get around to making a video about Ireland’s current years and troubles, I would look forward to seeing it, but there has been something on my mind that I can’t seem to fathom. Why does a significant portion of this fandom hate sweden at eurovision? I mean seriously, why do I see this country bash every year and when did it all began? I don’t know if this is a topic for a video, but at the very least, I like to hear your thoughts in the comments about this hatedom towards Sweden. When did it start, why people hate it, and what can be done to end it.
afaik only public broadcasters are eligible, so rte or tvr are the only possible choices in their respective countries!?
TG4 is a public broadcaster
@@ESCTom Interesting, thanks! :)
To be honest my opinion here is that most of these “Eastern-European countries like Romania, Poland, used to be Hungary as well (I’m also Eastern-European so don’t come after me for this pls) They have a lot of corruption and so much work around budget and so what most in other places like Ireland and Western countries are probably not experiencing that much, because they are way richer countries, so 1-2k euros disappearing is not looking that bad there because there budget is simply way bigger, meanwhile in these countries it is seen more. Also as we do with the Polish entry they choose someone who they wanted not who could be successful, but meanwhile Romanians are not that enthusiastic to pick up the phone I mean the diaspora they have smaller chance than Poland dose, also this part is not just a theory because even in the final we saw how much point Blanka got as Televote even tough it was closer to playback than actually live. Anyway I’m feeling sorry for Theodor too but we have to admit that even with a better staging and bigger budget with this song he would not have qualified but he could have been closer than this. I agree that TVR needs to get there shit together in this part, because Roxane was amazing I mean the song was great the decisions were not cool but still I liked the song, just as Alcohol you, which I am still listening to. Over all what I feel is that even tough we love to see more and more countries in ESC I think some of the countries needs to think about there participation, I love Bulgaria for example I’m sorry they are not in the competition right now but when they participate except last year they had great song since they returned 2016, 2017,2018,2020 my personal favorite and so but I think they are a great example that not always need to participate but when you do you do it right. I’m sorry that my country is not in the competition anymore because we have great musicians, but Hungary has similar problems as most of the Eastern-European countries what I’ve mentioned a bit different aspect but all has the same problem which is corruption, and government because at the end of the day most of these broadcasters are government controlled behind the scenes let’s face it.
Well the problem with countries withdrawing is that it drives up the price for everybody else. The cost of hosting the competition remains the same but with less countries competing it means that everybody's participation fee has to increase a little bit.
@ESC Tom 11:14 it's a romanian things not just a tvr thing 😅
It's difficult for me as an outsider to know how things went, but it really seems like a sad, hot mess.
Is it me or are Romania just trying to dilute expectations, consistenly get poor results so they can withdraw without getting any serious flack from the community? Like they have zero interest in the contest and are desperate to leave
Not really, TVR really wants Eurovision, they are just doing it badly for a lot of money. Why would they withdraw if they can get 400k euros and eat those up?
they will never withdraw. They simply don't have anything else in their TV program. They even lost most of the footbal national competitions (like EURO). The Eurovision is simply the only thing they still got.
@@EurovisionESC They did withdraw. No Romania in 2024
thanks god ))@@anka6356
Maybe TVR didn't have faith in Theodore so they stepped in & took over. Last year WRS was fine.
I would say that they were incorrect to do that because his ideas and vision were significantly better than theirs was. And he wasn't even suggesting very expensive concepts. All of them were quite cheap to do
I am sure that INNA is artist. A few of her songs did get popular here in Croatia.
Also i am annoyed you said EBU broadcasting union twice because its just EBU. BU means broadcasting union.
Yes, its a sad thing. I remember Romania being a powerhouse in Eurovision that always qualifies.
I think Moldova stole all romanias qualification streaks🤣🤣🤣
lol yea, we've hardly ever seen them peak together
I want to see the EBU dial back the contest so it isn't so expensive for delegations to participate.
I think the EBU are pretty conscious about finances right now. Hence bringing the rest of the world vote to try and bring in more money. I'm not sure where else they could cut costs
Can you make a video about the situation at RTE for those who are not Irish because I would really like to know
Yea I’m planning that a little later on in the Off-season. Need to leave a gap because those videos take a long time
@@ESCTom Thank you for letting me know. I will check it out when you’ve posted it
2:40 - So is The Watcher just romanian Kelly Clarkson? 🤔
You’d think that the first lesson in Interviewer School is “Ask a question and then STFU”
Sorry, but kelly is far from homophobic.... Pls compare this shit to some other raging interrupter
But Romania's entry last year was very sexy and even pro LGBT, so how did that get through? Did they not support him either, but he could get money elsewhere or knew the dancers and could pay them privately so it wasn't as much as an issue? (Haven't watched the whole video writing this)
Edit: Got my answer later on in the video :P
Wondered the same but found out his record label covered the cost for esc2022
@@adrianna9377 That honestly explains so much.
From what I understand it seems WRS was responsible for most of the entry himself with his record company. So it seems that the delegation maybe weren't very involved and that's why he was allowed to be more pro LGBT
I don't understand why he came second last. There are lots of Romanians in the UK, particularly London, so why didn't that tranlate into votes?
Not all of the diaspora watches Eurovision, and the entry just wasn't good. My friends are Romanian who live in the UK and they didn't want to to vote for it because it just wasn't enjoyable. Diaspora gets in touch more only if the diaspora has something to root for or get themselves behind, but the performance left us with nearly nothing.
haha romanians are quite.... self critical. if they don't like something, they won't support it just because. look at the diaspora love that Pasha got both in the semi-final and in the final - you can look around and see that a lot of Romanians felt let down by their own entry but rallied behind Soarele si Luna instead.
The end product was very confusing and not enjoyable to watch. Significantly less entertaining than the national final show was. I think diaspora favour only goes so far
If he had managed to get his own money, ie friends and benefactors had funded staging and dancers, would he have been able to bypass TVR?
@@ar50000 since WRS seems to have done exactly that, I'm going to say yes - but having global records behind WRS helped a lot too. WRS is also experienced; he was a backing dancer for INNA and used to be in a boy band whereas Theodor has stage experience but not much else, so WRS could back up his choices with more confidence
The paint idea is just too messy and a feel-bad factor. I don't like that slow acoustic beginning at all. Ankle socks look naff. They probably wanted him to look smart.
Well you cant bring liquids onto the stage anyway. But at least he had some ideas
I think the Minister of Culture should be the one in charge and Not TVR. Because TVR is state funded. (1) 2.TVR does not make any sense. 3.Who the hell said someone to put TVR in charge which literally is the Oldest tv company in Romania. Like they got outer stuff they gotta pay out and don't get me started. Also Teodor:YOUR TRASH YOU KID
I am sorry but the poor staging does not excuse the mediocre performance and bad song... It was a disaster from the beginning
israel didnt have the best vocals and the lyrics were questionable at best but a young artist in a bra doing some dancing was enough to get her top 3 so yeah, good staging excuses bad songs (theres more examples to give but this came a tthe top of my head)
well They completely ignored all of his ideas and how the song that he wrote should be performed. And they gave him a staging that had absolutely nothing to do with the song whatsoever. So I don't blame him for feeling discouraged and giving up hope, and they surely will have affected his performance