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Eurovision 2023 Viewing Figures Analysis & Discussion
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2023
- I discuss the viewing figures for Eurovision 2023 and what it could mean for some of the participants
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Omg lol I’ll change it now 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm pretty sure the drop in Norway is just from Alessandra not being Subwoolfer. Subwoolfer were on the news constantly and everyone was curious WHO these wolfs actually were so that ignited alot of interest
It's crazy that the UK has the largest viewing figures and the largest fan club yet people still act like the UK doesn't care about it 😆
Also this shows how we need the big 5 in the final not just for the money but for the viewers.
oh yea totally, thats why the big 5 usually get good running order slots too
@@ESCTom they f*cked up with France's running order though....
@@ESCTom I don't know that I buy that conspiracy theory 😆
Yes why are they not there. They are always qualified and it is kind of strange but it is the way it is. Or maybe that is the problem.
People act like the UK don't care because UK people like to act as if they don't care, in every possible chance (obviously not everybody, but enough).
The drop in Poland is not that bad considering that people had high expectations for Ochman last year. More and more people hate national TV so the low figures don't surprise me. I personally watched it on RUclips stream with the background youtube commentary of Artur Orzech, who was fired by TVP (like many other journalists). He commentated on ESC from 1992 to 2019 so many people can't imagine ESC without his voice.
Yeah when I was in China I used to watch it on RUclips as well. It’s actually quite nice to watch the show without the commentator talking and just being able to appreciate the visuals
Yes here in Italy Eurovision is a relatively "new thing" but the interest and love for it is constantly increasing.
Also take into account that we have Sanremo, the festival that inspired Eurovision, in February which many call the best week of the year and for us it will always be the "real deal".
I will take this opportunity to clarify another complaint I often read about Italian artists not showing up at ESC pre-parties because they supposedly are entitled or pretentious.
Artists prepare up to an entire year for Sanremo which is a big deal for their career and those who participate generally come up with a new album shortly after to take advantage of the new exposure.
So after winning Sanremo in February they have to do the Sanremo promotion and then their album promotion so I am already amazed how they can fit a huge commitment like ESC in May into their scheduled.
If ESC was in July they would most likely participate.
As for our viewing figures a good reason for the increasing figures was the move of the Semi-Finals from RAI 4 (channel 21) to RAI 2 (channel 2) and the final from RAI 2 to RAI 1 (channel 1) which is the most important channel in our television networks.
P.s. Waiting for speedo Tom in August!
ah thats an interesting points about the album coming out after SR, ill keep that in mind for the future.
I bet Croatians were tuning in to see if Let 3 were going to pull a super-crazy stunt on the Liverpool stage! 😂
I think it's part that and part them just bringing back joy about Eurovision here. People used to love ESC back in the 1990s and 2000s and a lot of us who grew up during that time loved it and it was definitely part of our childhood but over time we did worse, started sending worse acts which spiralled into NQ and people just stopped watching, including me who loved it as a kid. Of course I didn't only stopped watching because of it but most of us definitely stop caring in 2010s.
And I don't know if Tom and fans know but 1,5 mil is reall big for Croatia, we have less than 4mil population nowadays, closer to 3,8 mil so Let 3 mobilised almost half the country, which I consider a success. The problem is that I think this was a one off based on an actual credible well known performers who know how to put on a show. The pessimistic side of me thinks next year we will be back to generic pop songs and boring ballads by singers without much popularity or charisma.
I think it's part that and part them just bringing back joy about Eurovision here. People used to love ESC back in the 1990s and 2000s and a lot of us who grew up during that time loved it and it was definitely part of our childhood but over time we did worse, started sending worse acts which spiralled into NQ and people just stopped watching, including me who loved it as a kid. Of course I didn't only stopped watching because of it but most of us definitely stop caring in 2010s.
And I don't know if Tom and fans know but 1,5 mil is reall big for Croatia, we have less than 4mil population nowadays, closer to 3,8 mil so Let 3 mobilised almost half the country, which I consider a success. The problem is that I think this was a one off based on an actual credible well known performers who know how to put on a show. The pessimistic side of me thinks next year we will be back to generic pop songs and boring ballads by singers without much popularity or charisma.
@@Luka-st4uf Pogodio si točno kakvo je moje iskustvo gledanja Eurovizije.
Just to add to what Luka said - this year in Croatia there was a huge support for Let 3, unlike anything we have seen, I would say ever, when it comes to supporting Croatian representatives on Eurovision. Everybody started using ŠČ, adding it to words etc, covers of the song were made, media was reporting on daily basis something on them... So I really am not surprised that numbers went up that much but just like Luka I worry whether this will bring more diversity to next year's Dora or it will go back to business as usual. For instance, I still feel sorry that Croatia didn't send Kawasaki 3p in 2003. 😁 But I guess Croatia wasn't ready yet for such an experiment. So part of me is really hoping that Let 3 might be an opening of a different approach to Dora. 🤞
@@Luka-st4uf no wonder , jury prefers ballads and pop songs so why send an unique act like Let 3 (or Käärijä ) again
Thank you for the shout-out (I'm Doris) 😉 I was quite surpirsed about the viewing figures, never thought that the UK has so many Eurovision fans! Maybe Germany will lose some, but I guess most of us will be coming back 😇
Personally I really missed Macedonia this year, because I often like their entries - Andrea with Circles was so good... I still remember how sad I was in 2018 when Eye Cue did not qualify. Lost and Found is such an ambitious great song but it was kind of ruined by a messy performance.
Omg you’re Doris 😱? I thought your name was Werderina 😂. Anyway thank you 🙏🏻 😊
Yea I missed N Mac as well, they have such horrific luck at the contest. Really want them to get another top 10
@@ESCTom 😂I called myself "Werderina" because I am a fan of a German football club "Werder Bremen", so I made it up. It's not even a real name but many people thought it was so I changed the name of my channel... Now you know. ☺
@@Werderina hehe 😂
interestingly, as someone in the UK, i very much grew up in the "eurovision is all politics, its rubbish, we do badly every year" generation! i discovered it myself when i was around 13/14 and still have to drag my friends and family into it haha im hoping the UK can go back to that eurovision "family tradition" mindset in the future
We had a very similar thing in Ireland, because the majority of us would watch on the BBC to have Terry Wogan's commentary. He did immeasurable damage with his anti-eastern European bigotry
Australia won’t ever have huge numbers because of the 5am start. SBS airs semi 1 at 7:30pm on the Friday, Semi 2 at 7:30pm Saturday and the GF at 7:30pm on Sunday. That’s were we get more viewership
Yeah my mum and I are the only ones I knew who got up at 5am for the show! Other people in my life chose to stay off social media and then watch the prime time repeats at 7:30pm and have viewing parties at night.
My tradition is watching at 5am with my coffee then after the show we go for brunch ☕️🥞🍳
Actually this year the GF live had more viewers than the Sunday prime time viewership.
202 000 during the GF live show.
299 000 during the winners announcement.
181 000 during the 7.30pm prime time.
I think this year was the first time like that. Perhaps the super eurofans really wanted to watch the show live, rather than wait for the prime time, compared to previous years.
I know I'm one of them. I really rather watch the live shows than wait for the prime show haha.
Plus we get to vote in the live shows.
omg i could never take the risk of that again. when i lived in Australia i did the evening viewing party thing and 1 A*hole there knew the result and spoiled it all for the rest of us
@@ESCTom that sucks. However I put out a disclaimer to unfollow me for the week as I undoubtedly would spoil it for others.
@@erinnadia0409 yeah I’m up at 5am to watch live.
Thanks for the elaborate analysis Tom, you're a superstar! Re Italy, being half Italian myself, I can tell you that Eurovision was very much part of my childhood. Italy participated in Eurovision 48 times in all, but its popularity fluctuated higher and lower over the years. I'm really glad to see that viewership in Italy is solid these days
Yea it’s awesome to see it growing
I think a generation may have been skipped though. That almost 18 year absence from 1993 to 2011 - that’s a large amount of kids who might not have seen it who are adults now and may show it their kids
@@ESCTom or was it 1997, Luxembourg 1993 ?
Altough Czechia’s numbers are still so low, this is the first year I noticed people cared a bit more about ESC. Especially a younger generation. I have a feeling it won’t get too huge in a year or so, but by step by step it will get better eventually.
Ah ok that’s a good sign 🇨🇿
Bulgarian here!
Population is so much lower than its previous high due to several factors
1. In the late 80s the socialist government started a campaign of expulsion which led to hundreds of thousands of Bulgarian Turks leaving for Turkey. That severely depopulated a lot of regions.
2. Emigration has always been extremely high ever since the fall of the eastern bloc and few people are returning. This accelerated once we joined the EU back in '07 Obviously the majority of those people are young which contributes to lower birth rates
3. Life expectancy is relativelly low, death rates are high and birthh rates are extremely low and falling. This obviously leads to negative natural growth and is the main reason for the falling population.
Thank you so much for that explanation 🙏🏻 😊👍🏻🇧🇬
Do you think we will ever see Bulgaria back in the contest?
In Israel it was a record. 900 thousand watched the whole show and 1.2 million viewed the later part when Noa performed -39% of households that view television. That's despite the show dragging to 2 AM.
Love the spirit fingers part in your intro! 😅🥳
am surprised for the Spanish numbers. People seemed to support her so so much. At preparties and the red carpet she was one of the main stars
Since Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007 Bulgarians started emigrating in masses to richer parts of Europe to find better jobs, make more money and a have a better quality of life (Bulgaria is the the poorest country in the EU by a large gap). It's actually a big problem in Bulgaria as most skilled people left the country and not many want to come back - you can see whole villages just abandoned. Also now there are more older people than younger people as those who are younger just left.
Germany has profited most from the EU.
Same is happening to Croatia, although to a lesser extent, young people are leaving for better jobs abroad and population is getting super old.
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can follow a similar trajectory to Poland: lots of people leave, but the country gets rich quick in the EU, and after a couple of decades a lot of those people return. Bulgaria's GDP has actually been growing quite well before it joined the EU as well. So hopefully as that gap closes, people will want to move back.
What an interesting video! Interesting to hear that Norway's viewing figures went down by 13% 🤔 As a "half" Norwegian I would guess that it's because May is the month of the year where the summer season kind of "opens" in terms of social events, and especially outdoor events, so if the weather is nice then people tend to take advantage of that at all costs, cus we never know how long it will last - my dad used to say "Oh yeah, I remember summer last year really well... It was on a Thursday" 😂 And I felt like there were a looot of different events happening on May 13th this year, at least in Oslo, so that might have impacted the Norwegian viewing figures (and public transport was a nightmare that day because of everything that was happening 😂😂), but that's just my theory 🤔 And as a "half" Bosnian... I miss seeing Bosnia in Eurovision sooooo much, like how much debt do they have?? Can we start a GoFundMe or something, I'm crying 😭😭
Bosnian broadcaster owes 6 million Euros to the EBU. Unfortunately, there is no interest from BHT to solve problems and pay debts. 😥
Bosnia and Herzegovina would basically have to pay three broadcasters because their country is so divided demographically and politically. So that’s why they don’t participate, it’s virtually impossible to get broadcaster funding for all three populations in their country that all speak different languages/ don’t get along
Excellent video Tom, I really enjoy it
Thank you Monzeita 🙏🏻
the figures for Australia maybe misleading, there is a live broadcast (at 5am) and then a primetime version at 630pm. The live broadcast was the highest ratings ever, but there was a drop in the primetime
I love that the UK's viewing figures are so high, even higher than Germany last year (so no hosting boost) despite similar populations. I remember trying to tell casuals that the UK wouldn't come last year because the singer had a really good voice, and it was going to be liked by jury's (I honestly was predicting a mid table finish lol), and they were like 'noooo' and then we did stupidly well with points from nearly every country, and people didn't know who Sam Ryder was at all. And people still tuned in in the millions. I mean the UK loves camp so that is part of it.
As far as Italy goes what I feel is if the artist we send is quite popular then there will be more people watching it, Marco is pratically a national hero so I get that a lot of people tuned in. However I feel this year RAI TV did not do much to publicise the event, Saturday evening on the news they said 'oh by the way tonight there is Eurovison', I do feel that if you think your country's song can do well more people would be interested to watch, if there is already a clear favorite probably some people won't bother to tune in.
In realtà avevano creato due spot pubblicitari apposta per Marco e l'Eurovision. Uno con Marco e l'altro con Gabriele Corsi e Mara Maionchi. E lo mandavano quasi tutti i giorni in onda, almeno una volta al giorno. Per non parlare poi del countdown che facevano vedere ogni giorno (-7, -6, -5, ecc). Inoltre l'Eurovision viene sponsorizzato pure durante la settimana di Sanremo. Negli ultimi due anni è aumentata di tanto la sponsorizzazione. Soprattutto rispetto agli scorsi anni, che non dicevano nulla fino a 1/2 giorni prima delle semifinali.
I can imagine Denmark going down 30% is due to the fact that Reiley didn't win the televote in DMGP. I've seen a lot of negative comments online about him not being the people's choice etc. Also DMGP is just bad and I think Danes are getting tired of it, and since we don't have good songs in DMGP, we won't be sending good songs to ESC, so why bother watching it.
Yea the danish situation right now is probably in the top 5 worst along with Ireland Romania etc. even though the results aren’t horrific, the trajectory is downwards
I understand that. But as a Norwegian I don't really care about my own country that much. I care about my favorites and they are not often from Norway. I love the show, the music and my selected favorites / countries for that year.
Hope to see you do something similar for 2024. The papers are currently reporting that the UK viewing numbers are down by around 25%.
Eesti went down because more people started watching on RUclips instead. Also because it was the most expensive country to vote in of all the countries this year.
if you breakdown Australias ratings there are some positives. Semi 2 got an increase live and prime time and a 3% increase in live final watch. It was semi 1 and the prime time finale viewing that went down. So more people are watching the live show and voting at 5am rather than waiting for the show at 7.30pm, which I see as a good thing. I also know a lot of people who stream it afterwards in their own time and I don't know how those figures are added. It going down doesn't make sense to me I think its just watched differently
Hi Tom thank you for another excellent vidéo. is there anyway to see how many votes each act got?
Not that I’m aware of. I know that there were some results released for I think the 2009 competition. I think that they stopped publishing the results because they didn’t want delegations to know which were the countries that had a low Televote, because then they could focus cheating in those areas
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What I have heard about the youtube stream being blocked in the US is that it has to do with youtube itself. The US has shit internet regulations and apparently the stream revenue splitting between the Eurovision channel and various other parties isn't supported by the US version of the website. Basically if google had any sense they would update the US version of youtube to match international regulations, but they refuse to do it for some reason and it makes everybody's lives harder.
What I suspect is also a factor is the contract with NBC. They picked up the broadcasting rights after some channel I had never heard of before decided it didn't bring in enough new viewers to keep showing it. NBC also did the American Song Contest spin off show. They didn't renew that for this year (I personally hope it comes back, there were definitely kinks to work out and it needed to not be on a monday night time slot at the same time as American Idol, like whose idea was that, but like I enjoyed it), but they did still broadcast Eurovision proper (on streaming, and you could only watch it if you paid for peacock, there is no free with ads version).
I find SVT reliably allows American viewers though, so I (and however many other American eurofans who didn't want to pay for streaming or a VPN) may have been counted in Sweden's viewing figures (unless it was specifically the domestic numbers and not SVT's total streaming).
ah ok its a shame that they can't sort out that situation with the streaming in the US. Even when the competition has ended, it seems really strange that you can't watch Eurovision performances even from previous years. I feel like it's a big barrier to converting more American eurofans
Do you have 'rest of the world' viewing figures? Australia for example. The US showed the contest on NBC's Peacock network, so I wonder if more people saw the ESC in the US than its own American Song Contest.
no those havent been published yet as far as i know
I would guess that a lot of Luxembourgians already were watching on TV stations from neighbouring countries since they receive them there. Of course there will still be an increase in viewers with them being in it though
yea true, with streaming service has been so readily available. Id imagine that next year there might be a small increase just from casual viewers tuning in to see what they've sent
Tom, are these numbers just television, or do they include streaming as well? Also, it looks like it's not accounting for U.S. viewership... I tried to see if I could find that, but it looks like Peacock (the app ESC was streamed on). Also, it's geoblocked on RUclips here in the states because Peacock (NBC) has the rights for distribution here.
I’m not sure. Honestly the whole thing is confusing cos when you add up the individual tv station numbers it comes to around 60 million but then it jumps up to 162 with the official figures. It’s always been like that. I’m not sure what “formula” they use to get up to the final big number. But I would imagine they are def including streaming numbers. They want the number to be as big as possible
I think it is only TV because there was another article I read which was mentioning online viewing which apparently hit an all time high.
@@ESCTom I thiiiink the 160 mil number comes from a combination of the final plus both semis to get it up so high.
The Australian broadcast times in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, etc:
Wednesday 5:00 AM - 7:15 AM - SF1 live
Friday 5:00 AM - 7:15 AM - SF2 live (with voting closed before 7 AM)
Friday 7:30 PM - 10:30 PM - SF1 replay
Saturday 7:30 PM - 10:30 PM - SF2 replay
Sunday 5:00 AM - 9:00 AM - Grand Final live (with voting finished at about 8 AM)
Sunday 7:30 PM to late - Grand Final replay with additional interviews
The majority of people do not watch at 5 AM on working days. I would not expect many Eurovision fans will watch the SF2 replay on Saturday night before waking at 5 AM to watch the final live. And I don't think non-fans invest any time into the shows because of the times. Even the final on Sunday night goes late when (unfortunately) the next day is a Monday work day.
I think ratings are not always a fair indication of interest from Australia. Many people know what Eurovision is because of Australia's long and dedicated love of ABBA.
The reason for the geoblock in the US is that for the last 2 years its broadcast on Peacock (NBC's digital platform). NBC is the one with the rights to the American Song Contest. It is commentated by Johnny Weir who is a superfan. They haven't released the viewership numbers but the shows for 2022 and 2023 are all still available to watch at any time on the platform.
but why not be able to watch old performances once the contest is over?
@@ESCTom You can. All 6 shows are currently on the platform right now for 2022 and 2023. What we don't know is how many watched during the live broadcast. It's like Netflix.
The thing I find annoying is that they block individual performances on RUclips so if I want to show one of my friends who doesn't use a vpn a specific performance I literally have to download the video and send it to them directly or host it for them, so all it really does is hurt RUclips ad revenue. I wouldn't care that it's geoblocked if NBC uploaded the performances to their own RUclips channel but instead they're out here being greedy and making the show less accessible for new fans
@@allyperfectcosima5472 That's my same issue with Peacock. It's SO hard to share anything since they don't put any effort in to make it available, and my friends aren't exactly gonna use a VPN to watch a link. That and also no one I know has Peacock. There is so much room for growth here but I feel like they just kneecap it all with the geoblocking.
@@TheFloon Yuppp, also even if they have peacock they're not willing to search through the full vid for a single performance
From what I understand, and I could be wrong, I think the main reason Eurovision is blocked in the U.S. has to do with Peacock’s contract with (I assume) the BBC. Basically, Peacock wants exclusive streaming rights over Eurovision in the U.S. so that they can make money off of it. I could be wrong about this, but either way it’s annoying.
Wow im early
Thank you for mentioning that Eurovision is geoblocked in the US, I hate not being able to watch a lot of it
Here in Canada, we keep hearing that Eurovision Canada is coming this year to choose a representative for us to join the actual full Eurovision Song Contest next year (like Australia has done over the last few years.) Have you heard anything about this? Also, you mentioned Ireland seems scared of "accidentally winning." It's been 26 years since Ireland last won, are they still hurting from the almost 4 back to back wins in the 90s? I'm just genuinely curious. Thanks Tom!
Yes, some rumours few times, but sry, thats all I know about it.
They were hurting from it for quite a while after that.
but Now it's more just because the broadcaster is in financial trouble for other reasons, I would imagine due to competition from streaming.
I guess with Canada Eurovision it depends when the contest happens. If any of the songs are released before September 1, then they definitely won't be eligible to compete in Eurovision 2024
Maybe I missed that information, but are the viewing figures from TV stations only or YT as well? I'm asking because personally I don't know anyone who watched it on TV xDDDD
TV only
These figures are just TV. But I'm pretty sure that the overall figures include online
It'd be great to get a few more countries back in the mix. I hope Bulgaria comes back too.
yea Bulgaria were doing amazing, it totally looked like they were going to get their first win
Are there any statistics where we can see how many people have voted? And how many poleople voted by country?
My understanding is that they don't release that information anymore. I would imagine it's because they do not want certain delegations to be tempted into cheating in countries that have a small televote
I can confirm israel had 1.2 million viewers towards the end of the evening and voting according to kan11.
I assume they did an average and not peak viewers? Anyways great numbers.
Geoblocked in the states because it’s behind nbc’s streaming service paywall.
So can you watch all the clips from previous years on their streaming service?
@@ESCTom I am not a paid subscriber but when I search, I don’t see anything coming up in the results other than this years. We did watch 2021 on there because they let us watch for free but it’s been behind paywall ever since. EDIT: Still blocked on youtube which is where I prefer to watch…
It would be great if they could stop the geoblocking here in the U.S.
The situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina goes a bit deeper, there's political unrest and they don't want to appear in international events until they define what B&H actually is, since now it's pretty much separated into factions of Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks, so even though it would be great to see them back, I wouldn't hold my breath. Montenegro I don't think they can afford it anymore, or at least not every year, could be they will appear every two years or something from now on. North Macedonia is 100% back next year, and I don't even know what the hell is happening in Bulgaria....
Thanks for the info thanks 🙏🏻. Okay that’s great about North Macedonia. Bad news about Bosnia, but what you said supports what other people have told me privately. Sad that there’s still nothing about Bulgaria, they were on such an incredible hot streak
Thanks for the info thanks 🙏🏻. Okay that’s great about North Macedonia. Bad news about Bosnia, but what you said supports what other people have told me privately. Sad that there’s still nothing about Bulgaria, they were on such an incredible hot streak
I love the fact that the Eurovision winner gets a piece of cut glass as a trophy, and that's all. The modesty of the prize is deliberate I think - at heart, it says, the contest is not primarily about the competition. Nevertheless, the race is a big draw for the audience, and the results this year have emphasized more than ever perhaps that reconciling all the intangibles of musical, technical ability, authenticity, staging, personal charisma, etc to a lifeless linear scale is always going to throw up anomalies and a fair few travesties. I'd have been happy to see Kaarija win, but he didn't, and so I was happy for Loreen - but some people took it way too personally. Being runner-up is not losing. Thankfully K himself is much too sane a fellow to dwell in bitterness on what might have been - Eurovision has changed his life, and whatever comes next his contribution to Eurovision will be remembered for many years to come. So he's fine. However, my heart does ache for some of the other performers who didn't have quite the knockout punch as Cha cha cha - that only happens rarely but brought quality to the stage, and yet were ignored or underappreciated by juries and / or televoters. Also, for the people making the time to watch the show at home, don't they need to be rewarded a little more in the final rankings? Only Italy of the big 5 did well this year, despite a diverse crop of pretty good songs. So that leaves a very large proportion of the overall audience feeling like their entry was unfairly overlooked, and harbouring dark thoughts about the iniquity of paying for a party they somehow don't feel welcome at. Why was Germany last, again, with such a committed performance? Why did Spain get such an abysmal score from the public? Did not La Zarra give us la chanson française parfaitement chic? And although the UK somehow overlooked a lack of vocal technique and stagecraft in its selection, the song was surely better than Poland's? But then for the smaller countries as well, it must be very dispiriting to send something as good as, say, Slovenia's entry, or Austria's, and be given chicken feed in the voting. And hell, Australia sent a banger half way around the world that surely deserved a higher placement than ninth. Has rock and roll died, or is it just the audience? If we want them to come back, shouldn't we show them how much their efforts are appreciated?
Brokering an acceptable result across so many different musical styles and national cultures is no easy task, and with such an elaborate and yet fragmented voting system, a degree of unpredictability is inevitable. But my goodness I do feel that it remains a work in progress. So I wonder if one solution might be to hand out more prizes, and spread the love around a bit more liberally? Why not have an audience prize? Why not make more of the Marcel Besançon awards, which are chosen respectively by international press, composers and Eurovision commentators I believe, and currently handed out informally sometime in the afternoon? Most viewers have no idea they exist. (Granted, two out of three were won by Loreen this year - so it's not a panacea.) The business of voting and tallying is a huge task for EBU, no doubt, but that part of the show can drag ... So why not give people something more to celebrate, before the the excoriating ritual of the main vote gets underway? What about a vote among the contestants? There seemed to be so much camaraderie between them this year, from what I saw, so why not highlight that in the show, and perhaps take some of the heat out of the anguish that erupts on Twitter, even before the winner is done delivering their breathlessly tearful encore.
In the UK, we feel aggrieved that we've not won for more than 25 years; but damn, France last won in 77, Spain in 68 I think, which is kinda crazy; and obviously there are great songs from the smaller countries that don't get caught by the net as well. At the first contest in 1956 there were seven entries; now it can top 40. Nations can easily go decades without being given the nod, and artists put their reputations and their egos on the line to participate - so the nul points thing can be pretty brutal. The quality of the songs is so much higher than it used to be, and so to is the intensity of the effort required to qualify and stay the course. Surely the contest can do more to recognise, reward and celebrate the collective effort more generously?
Great post.
Yeah I also would like to see a few more points and rewards given out, I think it might actually be a good idea to extend the amount of points given to 12 or 15, just thought there's more points spread and more points in the bottom. I agree what you said about feeling some countries weren't given enough appreciation, but on the flipside I felt this year was so strong that I couldn't even pick who should be in the last place because everyone was so good in the final. But I would like to see last Place having a higher score.
It also means that Televote would feel that their vote was more validated. There's nothing worse than for example all the people who voted for Spain and spend huge amounts of money on that and then she only gets five points. So those people feel like they wasted their money
One thing I don’t understand with these numbers are that they don’t correlate to the percentage of how much of the population watched. For example they say that in Iceland 98% watched it. But here the number is only 0.16 million which is like 50% of Iceland’s population, not 98%.
Same with Sweden, 2.4 million people watching. According to these statistics which is around 20% of the population. But they said that 84% watched it?🤨
Hi Alfred. My understanding is that the percentage figures given are not a percentage of the population, it's a percentage of people who are watching television at that time.
@@derekmartin2012 Thanks for the response. Yea that might make sense since the statistics was only from the grand final. The “98%” of population for Iceland must been from all shown combined, maybe😅
Yeah I don't understand entirely how it works as well.
But I think that for example if I host a Eurovision party and invite 10 friends over, only one television is being used for 10 people.
Meanwhile my nine friends' televisions are all off. so i think they use other ways to count how many actual people are watching
@@ESCTom Yea I guess that makes sense with the statistics. Really any viewer number can’t be 100% correct…😅
My question about the viewing figures is how much they include streaming figures on the official Eurovision sites? I haven't watched Eurovision on TV for some time now and i assume that many of the younger generations also do watch it as Stream. And it actually should be easier to collect these viewing figures than it was for the traditional numbers where you had to rely on a small group of people with special devices at home. And is Eurovision in the US still geoblocked now that they want them to spend their money on a vote? That seems really odd.
The viewing figures only include people that watched it on TV, online viewership is not taken into account
For many places you have to use a VPN to watch the stream.
The viewing figures used in this video are the television ones.
But I would be very surprised if the EBU wasn't counting the online streams as well. They definitely want the number to be as big as possible, so they're not going to discount online viewing. Plus they would have to have some deal with RUclips in order for it to be available there, so they'd sure be in communication with them to get numbers
Thanks Tom. I'm still hoping that all countries will be back so we can have 20 countries in semifinals 😃
Also, the best viewed one was when Sweden last hosted. Do you think numbers will be up due to better production quality that Sweden brings to the table?
Sweden know how to host (UK had very good show this year too). I expect bigger numbers.
@@matijamaksan4344 except for some sound issues UK was exceptional!
I think that they should go up a little bit, but nothing that can cover the loss of viewership from Russia and Belarus
Since Eurovision is a business, don't you think that maybe the EBU would want to give more power to the public vote?
I imagine people won't feel like spending money and voting if they're easily overruled by the jury. What do you think?
hmmm i dont think its that simple. the jury/televote system has worked very well for years now. and there multiple reasons why the jury make the show more exciting in terms of a format. also theres several flaws with the televote as well.
They definitely don't want that voters feel disenfranchised from what's happening, but I think in the majority of Eurovisions that doesn't happen
@@ESCTom it may be worth a video - discussing the cons of the televote and the jury and what needs fixing in both:)
But until the jury is revamped somehow, I think giving more power to the televote is necessary to keep people engaged, because your vote is barely taken into account in an audience of millions anyway but at least it's all equal. Why should anyone feel like voting when 180+ people who overwhelmingly prefer pop songs and ballads in English/French can overrule them like this?
I don't know if it has to be very complicated to introduce some changes. For example, if the jury had the same system but the public could give points to their top 20 or something, it would go a long way to encourage the audience to vote, and also would spare artists awkward situations of 0-10 points from the televote. That's just one option.
@@tiny_lebowski Last year people complained that the majority of public did vote for the winner Ukraine, this year they complain that jury has given Loreen so many points that she was nearly unbeatable+this year many complained that there was no jury in the semifinals because artist like e.g. Iru were not saved by jury.
2021 the public was able to overrule the jury and make Maneskin win
I love Käärijä and he is my winner and it did hurt to see him so broken(and it still hurts that he did not win) but ESC can not please every one
@@Scheherasad not everyone but you can please the majority (or plurality in the case of ESC) and let the public have more of a say than a jury who vote for whatever reason (six countries colluding last year is enough of an indicator that they're not required to abide by anything), and people complain all the time but in the end almost every country gave Ukraine their 12 last year for a reason, and other than some bitter ESC snobs I think people were mostly happy for Ukraine to get this tiny bit of comfort, and for a song that's authentic and moving and high-quality.
This year Latvia (one of my favorites) didn't qualify (I spent about 45 dollars on them), and I still want the public to have more of a say than the jury because we are the ones paying to vote and going to concerts and buying the music. Do you realize Maneskin, who have had more mainstream and international success than almost any other ESC contestents this century, were only fourth with the jury and won only with massive televote support?
The jury have a lot of problems, and are not really doing their job... so since there's massive bias among the juries in favor of certain countries and genres, and they're not exactly impartial, it's best to give the public more power
Does someone know why these are considered as finals viewing figures when the list does not have data on all countries? Like Armenia, Georgia, Latvia...?
im not sure. those are only 28 of the countries. maybe the official figures havent been released yet for some of the rest of them?
@@ESCTom yeah, could be! Its just weird that multiple sites are reporting this as final numbers when we dont have all the country data..I never paid attention to it in the past, so I wasnt sure if maybe some countries dont report tv ratings.
I believe it may be because the whole number comes from the EBU themselves, whereas the individual ones get released by the broadcasters. Plus the list Tom's using is just one an ESC fansite has compiled, they may have missed some.
What about Romania? Were they in the list?
they still arent on that website that i saw. but i think it was around 118,000 and 2% of the market share
The drop in Spain could be explained by local radio stations not liking the song. They made polls and the majority of listeners didn’t like it. I guess people in Spain still listen to the radio and don’t use Spotify (hopefully this will change in a few years).
You must also take into account that Flamenco was one of the cultural impositions to all of Spain during Franco’s dictatorship and they associate the genre to the atrocities comitted during this period.
Okay that's interesting. I didn't realise that there was that connection with Franco and flamenco
And Spaniards generally only ever listen to pop or reggaeton anyway IF they use Spotify.
I can understand the drop in viewing figures in The Netherlands, given the fact there was so much negativity surrounding our entry this year.
On social media, the call for The Netherlands to quit Eurovision (too expensive, it's outdated, we only send acts chosen by 'experts', etc.) is getting louder and louder.
I know the Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS has announced they want to return in 2024, but the format for chosing the artist(s) and song are not determined yet.
Pretty good chance that if they do this the same way as this year, the viewing numbers will plummet again in 2024.
On another note: I assume the Songcontest 2024 will be held on 7-9-11 May (or possibly a week later). If the contest will be held a week earlier (with the final on May 4th), The Netherlands will not participate. May 4th is national memorial day in The Netherlands and participating in such an event on that day is "not done". It happened before, in 1985 and 1991.
I do not see NL leaving Eurovision, it is still watched quite a lot: numbers large shows and sports only manage. I don´t think 4th of May will even be a problem, as long as the two minutes at 20h are not involved. Not making the final is a good enough reason for the dip to me!
also its very unlikely that we'd have it on the 4th. 7-9-11 or 16-18-20 is much more likely
Hiya Tom. I'm sorry to spam your channel with a perhaps, non-relevant comment, but it's interesting that you have not yet posted a video on the jury vs. televote debate 2023 - there is one every year!.
The past couple of years though, have been really unprecedented. Other than Kalush last year, for perfectly understandable reasons, Kaarija was THE biggest ever televote winner - but didn't win the contest. Likewise, last year, Azerbaijan qualifying from the semis with zero televiewer votes. Something is wrong.
I don't have a voice, you and some other reactors do.
Things are flawed. Yes, there has been much discussion about enlarging and upgrading the juries to reflect a more diverse appreciation of musical genres. I stand with that. That will help. There is discussion about changing the 50-50 ratio. Yes, I think that would help too.
But, one of the greatest flaws in the voting system for ESC, jury or televote, is that only the top 10 in any selection receive any votes at all. We constantly have the scenario, every year, of good songs that are perhaps rated 11th-15th or more by every jury and televote but, by default, receive no points. A song that finishes last may well not be the worst song, just one that didn't feature in the top 10s of different countries.
So - keep the jury vote as it is. It's a thumbs up from music professionals. With the televote, let's give points to our top 20. 20-5 1-16 points . 4th place 18 pts, 3rd, 20, 2nd, 22, 1st 24. By default, it also reduces the jury vote to 33%.
This gives an edge to songs finishing between 4th and 1st in a jury vote, and also gives a significant number of points to the mid-table entries. Australia, Spain would have done so much better this year. Let's not have that awful shame of ESC giving songs and artists nul points ever again.
Hey Bob, thanks for the message. Yeah I actually am a big fan of the concept of giving out more points. The contest is constantly evolving and if we look back at the 00s, there were so many things that were different back then which are now improved.
I am currently finishing my analysis video of the final and Im going to talk a little bit of the jury and Televote there. But I think I might also do a separate video about it as well. I'm aware that Rachel ThePeaceAround has done a video about the jury so I need to watch that first because I think that she actually went into detail about the background of all the jury members. so I need to see what she found there and then separate the videos accordingly
@@ESCTom Rachel's video was really cool. She did an amazing job. I just think the expand to Top 20 for votes would be a great thing
@@ESCTomI'm still waiting for your jury-televote debate video. 😅 I already watched Rachel's video and her analysis just solidified my stance that it was Spain who was robbed majorly by the juries this year. Televote is a different story as flamenco takes a little getting used to by a casual listener.
Or TV don't need to worry about accidently winning 🙃
Greek person here
Drop happened probably because it has been a couple of very rough months there with corruption and a crime committed by the greek government, which caused an uproar. I think our population is preoccupied with unrest and protest. Certainly not a fun year for us
oh damn im really sorry to hear that, i didnt realise. it makes sense though, because ive seen so much less from the Greek fans this year
Where are Romania's viewing figures?????
they arent published here but i think it was around 120K and 2% of the market
Great analysis, as ever. However I cannot agree about Croatia's entry. Familiarity never improved it for me. The message was lost in the mayhem and it all looked simply infantile.
Haha yea I remember that you weren’t fond of it
Notice that Croatia's got only 3.8 million people compared to Austria's 9.1 and Belgium's 11.7 million.
Yeah and the Netherlands with almost 18 million even though it's smaller than Austria and Croatia
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I wonder why Romania viewing figures arent shown 😂
Oh lol yea i think they were 118,000 from what I remember, around 2%. Terrible, TVR are awful
@@ESCTom an all-time low
Many non-Eurovision fans watched Eurovision this year from Israel simply because of Noa Kirel. Even when Netta was competing there wasn’t high interest as this year by the Israeli audience.
I do think Ireland needs to do some real soul searching. How long do they NOT want to win for? IRE haven't won since 1996, 27 years! And if they don't want to win and have no intention of ever winning, why are they in it? Why couldn't Ireland afford to host after so long? Don't get me wrong, I love Ireland being in the competition (still not over Ryan Dolan) but the songs they're sending aren't even good enough to qualify. You can send a good song that's not going to win (Mae). Starting to come across as 0 care, 0 effort. A real overhaul needed.
Yea it is 0 care 0 effort. They don’t want to win. Why do they keep it? Because it’s incredibly cheap 8 hours of tv. Filming 1 hour of their own soap RTE opera costs roughly the same so Eurovision is a bargain.
They 100% cannot afford to host. The broadcaster is in terrible condition financially. They can’t compete with high quality streaming services
27 years is nothing compared to the 56 years (and counting) that the Toronto Maple Leafs (the biggest team in the NHL) haven't won the Stanley Cup, and they supposedly want to win. So ruts can happen, and Ireland can still turn it around once a new generation of organizers realizes the benefit of trying harder.
Sweden population March 2023 10,533,267 says official statistics. Yeah like double the size of Ireland and Finland 😂
the number of ukrainian viewers actually caused by replacing broadcasting from main channel, because now we have one general television marathon and few other channels, on marathon there are only news about war, so any concerts are removed
ah ok, that makes sense. thank you
We Greeks were so quiet about the Eurovision this year because of all the drama that happened with our representative. We were supposed to have somewhat of a national final were the public will vote for their favourite but that idea was scrapped due to economical reasons. Later on they announced our representative, that we didn't choose, and everyone noticed that "coincidentally" his grandfather is a shipowner. Also the song was bad and he's not that talented of a performer. Everyone that I talked with about the Eurovision was more excited to support Cyprus than our own country
Bulgaria is one of the biggest sight of emigration in Europe, everyone is moving away damn near
I’m not Bulgarian but I’ve heard that they have the fastest populations decline in the world due to low birth rates, mass emigration and high mortality
no, the fastest is in Latvia, but Bulgaria is pretty close
@@rumenok oh is it? My mistake then! Is it for similar reasons?
In any case their population is massively decreasing
@@danieleclementi3310 i guess for similar but even more depressing because latvia were almost 2,8 million people in 1993 and now it's 1,8, almost 1 million left country, if we say per capita it's more than in Bulgaria
the bulgarian population has been dropping due to poverty and low birth rates. povery drives a huge part of the younger and well educated generation abroad. there are more bulgarians working abroad than inside the country. it's a massive brain drain issue and very hard to solve.
Eurovision isn't that popular here in Bulgaria even when we were good (2016-17) and the viewing figures were around the same as in Czechia (or to Slovenia at best). It is worth mentioning that Bulgaria had joined the ESC in 2005 - that's relatively late compared to Latvia or Estonia who by that point had already won the contest. Considering that in our first 9 appearances between 2005 and 2013 we only made it to the Grand Final only once (in 2007 when we were 5th), the contest had failed to build up an audience in Bulgaria. Also, keep in mind that the ESC is perceived as a 'glorified gay parade' among the Bulgarian public and when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community Bulgaria is generally on the bottom of the table in percentage of the population willing to accept LGBTQ+ people.
Our national broadcaster - BNT (Bulgarian National Television) didn't do much when it comes to promoting the Eurovision entries. The first two forays in 2005 and 2006 were mired in controversies with allegations of plagiarism and vote rigging fired towards the winning songs and BNT itself. There was also the abomination of a song that was 'Illusion' (our 2009 entry) by Krasimir Avramov (it was more of a howling than singing) and we failed to qualify in 2012 on a weird countback against Norway (Norway's entry got points from more countries and thus got through). For our most successful entries - 2016 and 2017, the artists, the record label (Virginia Records, led by Sanya Armutlieva - one of the most influential people in the Bulgarian music industry) an the songwriting team (Symphonix International - responsible also for Austria's 2018 entry and few others between 2016 and 2020) were doing the heavy lifting when it came to promoting while BNT did as little as they could. The same thing happened to our 2018 and 2021 entries (and the canceled 2020 one) - BNT were doing as little effort as possible. And the promotion for the 2022 entry by Intelligent Music Project was attrocious as the song itself (don't get me wrong, the individual members are good on their own, but IMP and the song 'Intention' was not Eurovision material; also, Ronnie Romero had legal troubles in Spain) - it's like BNT gave up trying and was looking for an excuse to justify withdrawing from the contest.
3:15 mate, ireland's like the 3rd worst country in eurovision rn... almost ALL countries in eurovision are better than ireland. over the past 10 years only san marino and germany had worse results
no actually our results are worse than Germany and San MArino, we are last for the last 10 years
@@ESCTom How did you get to that conclusion? i'm legit curious about your method.
These are past 10 results in order from best to worst:
Ireland: 16, 26, 29, 31, 31, 31, 34, 36, 37, 41 (Average is 31.2/ Proportional average to the nr of countries each year is 78.29%)
San Marino: 19, 22, 24, 28, 30, 33, 37, 39, 40, 42 (Average is 31.4/ Proportional average is 78.38%)
i guess us doing slightly better than them this year pushed us 0.09% above them, its not exactly huge 😜
Sweden is mostly dull so why would it be interesting for anyone to watch
The other thing is that Melodifestivalen is probably the biggest competition anyway so why would those furriners be that interesting for Swedes???
I genuinely think that the reason why USA doesn't allow Eurovision is because europeans say it's the gay olympics and of course anything regarding LGBTI+ content is siningful 🙄
Ha ha I don't think things are that bad yet. From what I've heard it's to do with Peacock not wanting to compromise with RUclips on advertising revenue